Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Call Me a Mistress. I am Mistress Mia and I've got Madame Liv. Hi, guys. Now you're whispering. OK. Hi guys, it's me. Liv is such a little jokester, prankster, funny, goofy person. I mean, you don't. They don't see this side of you, which is really funny. Yeah, they see a different side. I have different personas I can put on. You do because yesterday you're just, we had the best time and then I'm like, God, she's goofy as shit.
We have such a great time and I'm laying in a bed. I'm like, God, she's so awesome. I'm like, Liv, you are so awesome. I'm so glad we met. I know you're getting on the issue with me I. Know I know, but I love you. You're great. I love you too. So we always have admirers that write us and I like to read some of the emails sometimes when they pop up on my fat feed or or e-mail.
Now we've had some haters, you know, at the end of the year I've been called a few nice lovely things, but I don't give a fuck. Yeah, honestly, it's like it's almost funny. And then we just go to the ones that actually like us. Yeah, there's so much. More of the ones that like us, yes. You're like four people. You don't want that? Don't like who? Cares who cares? Fucking haters, fuck them all. Right, so this guy contacted us.
I'm fat and he's like, he's like, I've been a longtime listener for the foreseeable future. Mistress Mia, I love your podcast. The banter between you and Barbie is the best. Don't ever change that, please. I laugh and I smile throughout your podcast episodes. I get so intrigued by your famous parties and I hear you guys talk about him. I just wish I lived in the US to attend one. That would be a dream come true. That's sweet. That is sweet. I'm like, oh.
We have one coming up and travel to come see us. Right. And then this gentleman wrote me this past week. Same guy, No. OK. New e-mail, new listener, new fan, and talk about a sweetheart. So he's on Fat Life. I won't tell you his full name, but Wolf is in his name. So we're going to call him Big Wolf. So he writes me. He's like, I just want to say thank you for making your podcast. I just discovered it.
It's amazing. I've been laughing my ass off most of the day and hopefully one day, if ever, I'll make it back to Florida. I would love to come and book an appointment. I appreciate you and everything you're doing and please keep up the great work with the podcast. Have a beautiful day and thank you again. That's sweet. And that's sweet. I thought that was so cool. I love. When they say nice things to us about that.
Oh, my gosh, yeah. You know, so I wrote him back and I told him that he's got a lot of cool pictures of him and his dog and he's got a beautiful little puppy, you know? And so I wrote him back and I'm like, oh, I love, you know, pictures of your dog. And he's like, yeah, you know, my, my tea is I guess her name is his world.
And, and he's a truck driver, so he's driving and it's cold and, you know, but he said he liked reading my profile, looking at all of our photos, and he still said he was trying to figure out who everyone was from the podcast. So I sent him pictures of you and Barbie and myself so he would kind of. Get it like a better idea? Yeah, just like a singular, hey, this is her but, but he's like, yeah, I don't mean to bug you. I'm like, you're not bugging me.
I love these nice emails. Yeah, that's not bugging. They're cool, right? Yeah. But then, which was really interesting at the end of last year, I just like to throw this in because I think it's very amusing with people. You know, BDSM is so taboo in so many circles. It's like I've tried to tell parts of my family that there's so many things that I do that
help other people. Yeah, you probably save people's lives and don't even know it. You know, and if that's the case, I, I'm happy to do it because I love the people that come into my life that show heart and goodness, you know, they're just pure. Love, pure love. Yeah, You know, that's what God is, is love. That's it. And we're spreading.
Love that's it. And so I got this lovely comment here because they reported this video podcast episode that I did with Charles where he's, you know, he's a grown ass man. You know, he's almost 50. Me. Too, He's not. He does not look like a little boy at all. No, he's not even a little boy. No, but I mean, he's short and cute, but he's a grown ass man in this video. But the video was degrading a Sissy girl. Eat your come Sissy.
And it was it was a cool video. It was him sucking a strap on. There really wasn't, you know, big nudity other than the fact that he was jacking off at the end of it. And I made him meet his own calm. And what was really funny is he was like kind of setting the stage. So he got a a black dinner plate, but it was glass, it was porcelain, right? So he said it made the cum colder quicker. And he said it was so gross. You know when he did it, he. Only likes hot cum. Yeah, he likes it.
Like fresh out of the tap, you know? I mean chocolate and I'm. Not cooked on my. Chocolate you're eating. Chocolate, not cum. You're OK live, you're good. But anyway, someone commented. I was like, Oh my God, but they posted on on Spotify. Turn to Jesus. Don't fall back into the cycle of lust. The devil is always tempting you by saying just one more time, but really it'll be an endless cycle of lust. You don't seek. If you don't seek Jesus, he will forgive you.
Just ask for his strength and wisdom when dealing with lust. Well, here's the thing. He Charles, is not hurting anybody. No. He's all by. Himself, he's all by himself, he's all by you know, he's he's not hurting anyone. And the simple fact of it is, these people, you know, they forget that Jesus best friend was a hooker, Mary Magdalene, and that he. Was in love with her. Yeah, and he had 12 disciples following him around in the desert and all sinners, All sinners.
And, you know, they're known in the Middle East. You know, Iraq is boys are for pleasure, women are for breeding. You know, there's so many parts in the Middle East where it's, you know, freely open homosexuality, you know, in certain countries. Obviously, you know, Iran has changed, you know, and that was the original Persia, which is where, you know, Christ kind of like originated in that vicinity. But here we're getting into a biblical discussion on a BDSN
podcast. But my point of it is. Brave Jesus. I'll start with some. But you know, it's like, OK, we love God. We're Christians. However, in this scenario, he's not hurting anybody. No, But yet this person tried to say that I was a child's groomer. Like I was grooming kids for this video. And I'm like what? Don't know where. You don't know where that even came out, honestly. But yeah, there, that is just it.
It's really a profound thing. And it brings me to my topic of how taboo BDSM is so interesting. So we we were having conversation. You were there the other night when we all had dinner, OK. We were all out with my family and my, my sister, my oldest sister, she's 62. She has, has always been a very devout Catholic. We were raised Catholic. And she starts really saying things under her breath when it
comes to me and the podcast. And she, she has called me many things that weren't very unkind about what I do and talking about the podcast, talking about sex, that kind of thing. And so, you know, I told her I'm like, you know, we are, we're all in this together, you know, and BDSM is just something else that other people like to do. And it's doesn't make us deviance. It doesn't make us horrible
people. No, you know, And so she was sitting there and she was telling us about her brother and her brother-in-law and sister-in-law on her husband's side of the family. Apparently the brother-in-law has a Bigfoot fetish and he they always had a sex swing, you know, and she says, you know, they're just nothing but deviance. They're they're just sick. They're just sick people. I think it's sick if you're just
going to have monotone sex. Yeah, well, you know, they used to have sex, Her and her gay husband who came out of the closet. Oh nice. You know that they used to have sex every Tuesday night, scheduled scheduled sex, and that was not an indication. That's deviant. You know what that man is going through? That's why he went gay. Yeah. My God. Yeah. But, you know, I told her, I said, you know, I said everybody has a fetish. I said it could be spanking, it could be feet, it could be the
way someone smells. You know, it could be. It's something as simple. Simple as like hands. I like man's hands. That's in itself. It's just such a small one. Yes, vanilla, but still. Yes, eyes. People love eyes. Yes, it's just smaller. Scale, a smaller scale. You know, I love it when my girlfriend wears these types of panties. You know, it's a kink and you know, she makes it dirty. And I said, you know, I said her name and I said, you know, you're just making it dirty.
I said he made it dirty, you know, because he ended up cheating on his wife, cheated on his wife with multiple prostitutes, you know, and honestly, he was never a nice guy. He's not a great person, obviously was not a great husband, you know, but it is what it is. And so I, I bring this topic up because so many people struggle with having these fetishes and having these kinks, you know, and it's just like your admirer who reached out to you. He said he wanted skin on skin.
He obviously lacks intimacy. You know, the other night once you left. So just to give the listeners some background on this. OK, so we're recording the fucked up Friday. And there was you, myself and Ruby. We were the three doms in there. And then Naomi came in, so it was four women. And then we had Charles that came in to help us. And then we had AJ, who was the Sissy slut who participated. He was cool with us giving, you know, his name out.
He has no secrecy about it. And then we had one other gentleman who's one of our regular folks. He comes to events, he comes for sessions. Nice guy, name is Brian. No big deal. Anyway, so Brian, he's lacking intimacy in his marriage and he went and said to, to Naomi, he's like, would you just do a session with me where, you know, we just touch one another, you know, and he's like, you know, I, I like to give massages and I, you know, he basically, he likes heavy petting, obviously,
but without the sex. And so that says, you know, if that's his kink, who's he hurting? You know, does that make him a sexual deviant? I don't want a pet. Yeah, you know, because that's my point. It's like, you know, my sister turned around and said that it was, you know, his foot fetish and his his sex Wang that made him disgusting. And I was like. That's why people fall into themselves and don't talk about themselves. Yeah. Because of people like that.
Because, you know, you live with this, you can't. And there's some people that have it. So, you know, it's a real thing. You know, we're made in the image of him. So it's like you have this thing and you're not, you know, it's better to just fulfill it fully, be yourself. And if it means having this thing that if you hold it in it, it it's like a cancer it. Is it eats you up for real? I'm so glad you said that because you know, that's what so many people have issues with.
And, you know, one of the gentlemen in that room had said to me it wasn't Charles. Obviously Charles is very open with everything about himself he had. Fun. I liked watching him have fun. Oh, he's so sweet. He's such a doll. But it's interesting because these other guys, they've struggled with their bisexuality, you know, and they both want to be forced to do it so they won't feel guilt. And I said, guys, you know, everyone in this room is bisexual. You know, we're all bisexual on
some level, you know? Yeah. You don't want a relationship with the dude because you're a dude, you know? But would you suck a Dick because it's a Dick? Yeah. Go ahead. So tell us, Liv, what was your first sexual experience with another woman? Well, I've, I, I'm going to say like the first, first one because I was really young. I, I, I feel like I've always had these problems. But when I first realized it, I was, I was really young because I kissed a girl on the bus.
We were dare to do it, you know, and we're like, oh, yeah. And I kissed her. She had long curly brown hair and I got to kiss her. And that was like my first real experience with touching another woman with my face. I'm like, I didn't even know I liked that Then you know, I sent a picture of my who nanny out to a boy. OK, your hoop nanny. My hoop. My hoop. Nanny, I sent that to a boy and you know, cameras back in the day on the phone. Which not. Flattering and I Oh. No. I did not know.
I just took I literally ran, you know, took that picture and I sent it to him and he replied you so so I was traumatized for a good while. Did it meow they probably I don't know, but I I went to my best friend and I was like, can I see your vagina? Like just like matter of fact, And I just kind of see it till I know if I'm OK or not, Like am I normal or do I look you you know what I mean. I want to know. And she said you to me and I was just like really let down by that.
We weren't friends no more, but that's like the second encounter. But the one as an adult. Yeah, I know. I've always been by. Just never really. Poor girl. I know whatever, but. First experience as an adult was right whenever I was out of my marriage and I was just like let loose into the into the wild. And I went to a bar and the this couple came up to me and was just like kind of just playing
around. Like, hey, you want to hang out at my house on a weekend And we do like dinner and stuff. Like, sure, I went over there, we cooked out and she just pulled her titty out. Big ass titties. I'm coming out. Her body was tiny framed, but she had the biggest titties. She squirted. Me with her breast milk. Oh my God. That's how she did it. That's how she started this whole thing. I was like, I didn't know how to think about it. I didn't find it sexy at all,
you know? I was like, well, that's interesting you. Know OK, wow. And eventually we actually all got too nervous and we I was about to leak, so I was getting too late. And she said, well, let me show you around the house. Let me tell you, show me her room, the first one. And she just sits on the bed, takes off her shirt. I was like, OK, that's what we're doing and I got to enjoy both of them at the same time. And that was. All right. Was my first true experience.
So I got to like see and touch and like, are we the same? And all these things like I got to actually do that. And it was so, you know, with anybody else in the whole world, I probably would have like not been gay after that. But she made it so comfortable. She was so sweet. She didn't make anything sexy like over the top. She was everything was just cute. She was cute. She would be running around like, like chasing me and stuff and I'm like, it was cute.
It was not a sexy experience, but it was one of the best experiences I ever had. And, you know, kudos to her. But she knew what she was doing because they moved like the next week. They had planned to do this before they moved so they would never see me again. And I wasn't made aware. And it hurt my. Feelings. Wow. But they did that be like, oh, well, we're moving, so we'll let's do this before we move. And then we get in a whole new area. And so that's what happened.
They moved like 3-4 hours away in that. Come to find out though, 'cause her husband reached out to me like a year later and he was like, yeah, we actually had made a baby that night. So they had a baby and and named it after one of his tattoos. Wow. I know. I was like, Oh my God, I helped make a baby. Oh wow, that's cool. It was your sperm and everything. I know I was. I was like, that baby's mine too. I helped make it.
Oh, shit, that's interesting. Yeah, you know, I don't know, I I've had, I did my own little experience experimentations after my first divorce, but during my divorce, I mean during my marriage, excuse me, during my marriage to my first husband, my best friend that I grew up with thought that it would going to be cool if she came in on the shower with me and like. While you're married. Yeah, and, and my husband was there. He wanted to watch. Oh OK so there y'all are into it.
Well, I wasn't into it. Oh, because they just shocked me. I should have locked my damn bathroom door because I don't want to. I didn't want to make out or even have sex or anything. You didn't want to have anything with a. Woman. No, not with her. Oh, not with her. Yeah, not with her and not with my my ogling looking, you know, husband at the time, like, you know, standing there jacking his Dick, you know, it's like. Oh, that does sound kind of. Cringy.
It was like here I'm going to take a hot shower before I go to bed and I've got horny one and horny 2. Like hounding me like that wasn't fun. That was your first experience? That was my first experience when I. Wasn't like an awakening? No, not an awakening. Probably when I was dating someone after my first marriage, after my first divorce, my first marriage and I met somebody we were, you know, through like alter one of those dating sites, whatever.
And you know, I met her and she's I I like pretty black women, you know, my best friend growing up. She is a pale white girl with red hair. I don't like gingers. I'm not sexually attracted to gingers. I don't like red hair. I do not like that Sam. I am. I don't like it. Oh, poor gingers out in the world, Yeah. You know, I mean, I've slept with ginger men, but ginger women.
I feel like I feel like I'd rather have a gender woman than a gender man, and my boyfriend right now told me that ginger women have a specific thing in their vagina that's different from all other women. OK, I'm unaware of that. I'm unaware of it too. I want to find out How did I find out though? Would she have freckles? Well you don't ask as ex see if she spread that pussy for you. She probably would. I I don't know if we're talking about the one that I'm thinking about, no.
Yeah, she's a fun little bitch. You know, with him, I'm, I'm able to be open in things. So like he would let me, you know, experiment. Yeah. With a redhead, Yes. And he likes redheads anyway, so it's like works out. Yeah, I know he. Likes different in there. What's different? You know, and the thing that is, there's some beautiful redheads. I get it. Beautiful women.
Amy Adams, love her, right, But my best friend, she was a stripper growing up. She was, you know, way ahead of everyone else, like losing her virginity at, you know, 1213 years of age. It was bad and I just I was, I'm just not attracted to, you know, your best friend like that. It's just kind of like, you know, we're broskis, not, you know, a little fuck buddies. I would have. Them with my friend. My answer to see my vagina. Yeah. Yeah, you're probably messing.
So she don't she don't talk to me no more. I reach out every now and then. She's like, that's that creeper live. Yeah. No, but you know, again, she's she's probably closeted. She's probably just like, you know, I don't want to step over that threshold and because people are scared by it.
Because I think it's taboo because everything that's, you know, like there are so many cultures, so many religions that isn't like religions that are here in the US There's a lot of religions that have where you have multiple wives or multiple husbands, like it's polyamorous as part of a religion. You know, you're just like, yeah, you know what's right and what's wrong in that? So just, I would say just be a good person, be the best you can be, you know, spread love and be
who you are. Yeah. In a nice way though. Yeah. Like don't be it like, you know, because serial killers. Guys, don't do that. I'm not trying to promote that, but be yourself. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But you know, everybody has a flavor for what they like, you know, and it's like I said, I'm not anti redheads. I've slept with redhead that are men. But you know, it's like one of them, he had a fucking hairy ass back. It was like. The red hair. Yeah, reddish blonde.
It was like all over. It was like so thick, like even the sweat wouldn't absorb. It was just like sweat beaded on him. It was like. Yeah, you didn't have good experiences. That was now. I didn't have good experiences. I never did. I don't think I've ever had sex with a redhead like a true. Redhead Oh, I have, I have I I have fucked Indians. I've fucked Iranians. Iraqi. Did you make it around the world? Every fucking culture, even Swedish I've like. Girl, you get around.
Yeah, there's hundreds. Hundreds. Love your confidence. It's true. It's been, there's been hundreds. My friend and I used to have a competition with how many people we could sleep with and we'd write them down. And so hers would be like the pizza guy, the circus guy. Yeah, I have a friend that we name all his little whores because he asks a lot of people and I call him, oh, that is that sandals? You know, because she wear these ugly ass sandals. Is that sandals?
Yeah. Is that orangutan titties? You know what I mean? We call we have one of those orangutans. Oh my God, That's how we keep up with them. So I could not keep up with their names. Wow. So I probably the same thing. Well, I like I said, I've always slept with attractive black women. Really. As women, Yeah. Now there's this really cool couple that comes to the parties all the time, but we're friends now. I don't want to fuck friends, you know I don't.
That's the best kind. I don't want to do that. I just don't like that. It's weird now. Oh, I. Guess. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because you don't want to mess with the friendship. Yeah, you don't. And it's like. That's why if like you have sex with somebody and especially if you're going to be close and quarters with them only once. Now see Missus Griswold, we ran into this before when when they first started swinging, OK, they met this couple that were younger than them.
Well, he the husband of this other couple, they weren't really into older women. He was not into older women, but his wife, his wife was really into just kind of like any attractive woman. And that they connected with, you know, so they would go camping, They would hang out together. And this went on for a couple of months, you know, just a few times. And finally they started to realize, oh, shit. Well, the Griswolds are in their 50s, and we're in our late 20s,
early 30s. And they're like, you know, we really care about them, but they're more like our aunt and uncle now because we've we've come so close. And so I've tried to explain that to Ellen. It is. And, and Ellen, she took that hard. And I was just like, Ellen, they're just young kids. They just want to go and fuck. Strange. Yeah, they have so much, you know that they. Want to do?
Yeah, they want to fuck. Strange they they don't want to have emotional connections to people, you know, like. That is she just wanting like a Poly relationship with another couple or what is her goal? What would you mean, the other couple or the Chris Wallace? Oh, no, Ellen. Ellen still wanted just to see them and hang out with him. She says Mia doesn't have to be sexual. So she just liked them. She really liked them, Yeah. She liked being around them because they're great people,
you know? They're fun, beautiful people. And so that was the same concept because I told I told the couple I was like, you know, Ellen and Clark, they don't have to fuck you all. You know, it's not like that. They just want to be your friends, you know, And now, granted, they don't live in the same city. They're, you know, several hours apart now, but you know, they'll be back at another party. I'm going to have to reach out to them soon and and talk to them.
But you know, but I see where they're coming from because like I said, there's a couple here and you know, I would feel awkward in the sense that, well, I'd be fucking the wife and the husband be OK with that, because I told the husband, I said, you know, I'm I'm monogamous to my husband with other men. I said, but you know, there's exceptions. You know, we just haven't explored that Ave., you know. But I like some sexy black women.
And I tell you what, Bree and I were in the coffee shop few months back and there was this cute little black girl and she was about four foot 84, foot 9. Real tiny. Real tiny. Definitely your type. Yes, didn't look like she didn't have the the the small little person legs. They she look like it hurt. She, her body look like a 12 year old, you know, and it was almost like, OK, let's make sure her face looks mature enough that she doesn't look like a child.
You know, that's creepy. But she has a very mature face. You could tell she's in her 20s, you know, in her late 20s. But she has this cute little voice and she's fucking adorable. And so Bree's like, Oh my God, she works at the car wash and I'm like, let's go get her and kidnap her. Did you get her number? No, because when we were in the coffee shop she was talking to other people and I didn't want to interrupt her.
But she's in the area. She works at the car wash, so when I go to the car wash again, I'll be a little. Bit cute, you know, get your hair done or something. Yeah, I'll get her number the. Car be clean when you get there. She's like, I don't have a dirty car, I come here for you. Hey baby, I want that brown sugar. Oh, let me know how that goes. Yeah, I told my husband I'm like, yeah, I just want her to sit on my lap so I can do dirty things to her. Yeah, I've been looking for one
too. It's so hard to find. It is a girl that would be OK with that. Yeah, but. It's so odd. What? Happened to the babysitter. She started dating somebody and we never got to actually fully play. Oh yeah, it was very sad. We'll find yourself. Right at the moment where I don't remember what I was going through, but I was going through something, yeah, with my mom or somebody that it is all. Everything collapsed all at once. And on top of it, she cancelled. It was meant to.
Happen. Oh, yeah. You know, I always think was like, well, maybe I always think there's reasons for everything. So I never think like, I mean, yes, I hurt my feelings for the fact of, like, so close, you know? Like, yeah, he's already, you know, my boyfriend's already played with her. So I didn't know, like, OK, she's safe. So I was excited. Well, March 1st is right around the corner. You going to tear that shit up, girlfriend? Well, I'll be working.
Yeah, you'll be working, but you can network, you know, you can be like, hey. Yeah, I got to find out what if me and my boyfriend have the same type we haven't explored that I would want to share. You don't want to. Share. I do want to share. That's the only thing I want to do. I don't want to be by myself. Yeah, I'm not into that. OK, which is weird. I'm not into girls by myself but. Well, you're, you're a good looking couple, so it shouldn't be an issue.
But you know what he likes. You know, you're kind of you fit the mold so. I mean. A shorter, curvier woman. That's what he likes. I like a little bit of like blew it more extra meat. Than he does. Probably I like, I like a little bit of a not, not fat, but I like little chunky women, little chunky women, cute little round faces. Yeah, sweet looking girls. Yeah, I get. It the big boobies. Yeah, you would like our hot Asian that comes to the parties. Oh my goodness.
Yeah, she's adorable. I don't. Know I'm in the Asians. I have to. See, you have to see. You never know. Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to put it off me. Like, I don't like Asians because, you know, there's sometimes where you just like, wow, I'd do that. There's so many great people you're going to meet at these parties and I'm going to introduce you. You're going to fucking love it. You're. Going to like maybe our listeners will be there too and
then we get to meet them. Too well, if all of our listeners came, we would not be able to fill them in this house. Ones that are in town, they. Would be parking 5 miles down the road because there's several thousand that listen to the podcast. But on that note, Liv, it's been always great talking to you and more adventures to come. So until then, this is the closing episode of. Call me Mistress Bye.