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Hello, Hello, Hi, Is it really you?

I wish?

Oh wow, this is such an honor.

I'm a obviously you know this.

I'm a big fan.

Hi.

How are you feeling after finally getting your bear attack?

You listened to the latest step of course.

Actually I left the message this morning saying congratulations and talked about a dog attack. But disregard that.

Listen. Could you believe how the voicemails were, like I was dragged by a wild lion and then all the colors.

Or the guy who lost his ear and then didn't give any information, or like.

What the hell?

I know? What a what a mess, what a misfire? Yeah, but you know I got my bear. I got my bear attack victim. Can you imagine a bear biting your arm?

No, I'm amazed that that bear didn't rip.

Off his arm.

I'm amazed that his daughter can sleep without a light on.

It's just a lot, you know it is. It's crazy. But at the same time, a bear attack.

What are you going to do now?

Well, I still want to pursue more bear attacks, to be honest, you know.

Only forty four a year, So what are you going to do?

I'm calibrating at all times, what's the perfect level of bear attack for an anecdote? That is, you know, still a you feel like you can still talk about it. You know, it's like when they're really really mulled, it's I think it becomes harder to be an anecdote.

What if you.

Expanded it out to like other animals or does it have to be bears?

No?

I did? I mean, I said, tell me any attack, you know.

Like I was saying, like, what have you got gators in the like some other big ass animal?

Or listens. I don't know if anyone's listening now and you were attacked by a gator? You know, our lines are always open. I feel that people know this, you know, I think it's an understood thing. It's given. But today, you know, this is a great segue. We're actually talking about nature today. What is your relationship to nature? What does nature mean to you? How do you incorporate nature into your life? And how do you fail about climate change?

Well, the first thing I want to say is to all the misbelievers and haters, climate change is real. Uh, it's a problem. It's gonna become an issue.

I have to represent both sides of everything.

You know, you live in California.

You see it all the time.

I do, especially Laguna. You know, that's where you and to get the beautiful beaches, some great hotels.

Uh, it's a big deal. That's my background. That's what I went to school for. Uh, that's what I'm working. I want to work in in the future.

You know.

I hike all the time. I talk about it all the time.

Tell us, tell us, tell the listener.

What do we do?

What is there any hope?

What do we do?

What do we need to know? Hmmm?

I feel like I always tell people know your neighbor and have an extra can of soup in your in your house. I think that's the best we can do right now.

Honestly, Oh my god, are.

The button nature specific for this episode?

Funny? You should ask that the worst sound effect I've ever heard? Are you able to hear anything I'm hearing?

Is that?

Is that rain? Like a thunderstorm?

Yeah? Okay, now, okay that that's there's your rain. Okay, okay, that's that's a thunderstorm.

Yeah.

That sounds like I'm on soon.

And we always have this.

From crickets.

M I thought I had birds, but I don't.

Uh, huh, do you have like a coyote or a wolf howl or something.

You know, that's a great idea, that would have been a great inclusion. But for now, we'll always have one nature sound.

Kojak on there, get them, get him to do his job.

Okay, so uh so there's nothing we can do. Oh here's what I was gonna do. Actually, though I was gonna go hair with me in studio today. I have someone who I already forget her exact title, but she's worked in the conservation arena for many moons now, bearing several degrees. I forget her name as well, but she says, can of soup. Know your neighbors. A simple can of soup might be the difference between you eating and starving. I've been Chelsea Peretti, and that's our news for today.

All right, it's so loud the sun.

Is it?

What's so quiet? On my end? I not another the only.

Other thing I wanted to say that's not related to nature. Whenever I talk about your podcast and I try to convince people to listen, I tell them and I said in my voice one the same thing. About that time that guy called in and he said that he found his dad's KKK robes in his attic, and he was having a hard time because Mom was like not giving them any information.

God, can you fucking imagine? No, I know it is weird over the years, the things people have shared.

You know, the emininity of a phone call? Yeah, it still exists.

Yeah, what are your secrets?

Ooh, I don't know if I want to share with the whole public.

Is this loud for you? What are your secrets? What are your secrets?

What?

Say?

Good?

Oh?

I got one perfect, perfect time?

What is my favorite? I'm a big fan of your show.

There, you know, thank you for loving me.

The way love.

All right? I feel like I should say goodbye because they get time by experience.

We're gonna getting ding ding oh. Let's like out of time. Goodbye. Well, A're gonna get ing ding ding Oh, let's like out of time. Goodbye.

Thank you.

You said it first though, technically, but still they getting ding a out of time? Goodbye bye. Are you calling from work?

I'm looking at work.

You're looking at it, yeah, like this call is work.

No, I'm working from home. M hmm, what are you doing?

Are you working?

I mean technically yeah, yeah, I'm working. You're looking at it. Respect to user.

It's your relationship, but my relationship with nature. Is that what we're talking about. I guess it's something that I appreciate at times when I want.

To be less stressed about suple things like work, keep going, keep going.

I wanted to listen to the music.

You're supposed to talk over the music. It's it's adding drama to your words.

All right, all right, all right, I'll go over nature. Typically.

Yeah, I'm in the rat raid and it really help put me out of the third time. I can see that blue as water three and as free, and it makes me take myself like seriously.

All right, thank you, y we did what we came to do.

Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello.

Hello, Say are you screaming or you can't hear me? Is everything?

Okay? I don't know? You tell me.

I don't know either.

I truly don't know.

You have you have a.

Do you have one child?

Mm?

Hmmm?

Who's asking me?

Because me? Because I have two kids, and I'm always curious to hear other people and about their parenting and about like what the hell what do you do? What do you do as a parent? How do you go from being like a cynical person to like a I have to be like hopeful for my kids.

Kind of person.

Is that way too dark?

I'm so sorry. I don't know.

I mean, I think what I try to tell myself, particularly in light of nature climate change, let's say, yeah, right, is that we're animals and my animal desire was to like is to like have a job and to have a family and blah blah blah.

Right.

Not that everyone's is that, but for me, that's that's how I think about it. I'm just like, well, I'm an animal and I have this instinct to have a kid, and I'm gonna just hope that the world is okay.

I don't know true that. I mean, I do have to say I have fun and I love like doing the simplest thing.

When we talk about outside nature, yes, because that's like, you know, the playground, the world's playground, and it's fun and kids in they're little.

Oh no, what studio audience like, I guess nature is a playground. That's what they're saying.

Nature is like Nature's playground.

But I just belive that this heart.

Doesn't make sense.

Where are you?

Right?

But you know, kids, I'm in Atlanta, but you know, kids like they when they're little. They like, pick up a rock and they're just like, this is the world. You know. They just hold it and like, don't you dare put it down? Don't you wash it? Don't you know?

Mm hmmm. And I love that, I know, honey, I love it too. I do.

But you have but I don't know what how old you your child or children, because I don't know.

I don't actually want.

I know you're a mom.

I do know that. But I have a ten year old son and I have a two year old daughter. So I had a bull pandemic baby and man, it's crazy, but it's fun, but it's also essing crazy it is.

I mean it's crazy with one, you know, one and a dog that's already a lot.

Listen, people when I had one, they were like, up, you better have another? And I was like, ah, why does everyone say that. They're like, just do it? Oh god, do I have another one? I was like no, I'm good, I'm good. And then and then we slipped up. Now I have a two year old, and now I have that gap, that age gap that people are like they try to scare you about. But you know it's cool, is it's not, it's it's just a different perspectives, Like it's a different experience.

What's the gap?

What do you say?

What is the gap? What is that gap?

It's about nine years? WHOA, I know it's a big one.

I was about to be like whatever, that's not a big gap.

Then I was like yes, but I'm like a totally different person because I'm thirty five and I was like twenty four when I had my son. So I'm like, my daughter gets like a way more patient version of me than my son did. But but I also was like had way.

More energy, energy, energy.

Fucking on the playground with him.

I know. I always think about that, like if I had a kid younger, I'd have way more energy.

But I guess, but there is everything's a trade off though, you know, like there really are pros and cons, I think, And that's why it's good not to listen to everybody else be like, oh, you don't know what you're getting yourself into, because you know you're right. I don't, and either do you.

You know someone had a good joke about this. I feel like it was Mosha Kasher, but he was like, yeah, like everyone tells you when you're thinking about having a kid, and they have kids. You should do it. It's the happiest I've ever been. And then as soon as you have a kid, they're like, well.

Mell, yeah, yeah, it's like a trapdoor opens up. I know you're miserable with me now, but there is camaraderie in that, Like that is the thing that the other people, like people with kids don't understand. But you know, it's funny too, Okay. I was one of the people in my age group to have a kid before I'm sorry

Nature.

Bug sounds dominate the South.

Would you ever eat a cicada?

What?

Now?

What I mean?

Would I if.

There's like something on the line, if they're like, let's talk about context, but I'm not just gonna pick one up and eat it.

The apocalypse and times climate collise.

For sure. If someone's smarter than me, If someone a culinary person who is like I can prepare a bug really well, I will. I'll listen to them first.

Well you know what I mean.

Bye oh man, I'm so honored.

Hi kid, bye kid.

Bye bye bye.

Atla oh oh. My daughter says bye bye.

Let's hear her, let's hear her.

Everyone say hey, Chelsea, she's choking. He's choking right now, not like literally.

But.

That's when things really took a turn. It's like, oh no, all right, thank you so much. Bye. I can't. I can't. It's called Chelsea Brette. You have reached us. We're here in studio, we're talking about nature. What does nature mean to you?

Can I tell you something unrelated?

Yeah, I guess, so what is it.

I'm a big fan. I think you true are one of the greats. I've been listening for a long time. I've never called in.

This feels like you're like gearing up to say, but I hate you.

Yeah, No, I love you. You're great.

I have a story, kind of a medical anomaly story I think you'd be interested in.

Okay, I'll take it.

Okay.

So one piece of information for this story that's integral is that I have a particularly deep belly button.

Eh fuck, oh god, thank you.

Shut it up.

You're triggering buttons. I haven't even touched in years.

So a few years ago I noticed a little bit of pain in there. I was kind of feeling around there, and it felt like what I thought was maybe like a maybe a scab or.

Something in there.

I got at the.

Old Tweezers and I pulled on the thing and it was a struggle, and I pulled out maybe like a sunflower seed sized chunk of like a million hairs, all held together by maybe.

Like a waxy substance.

And it felt so good.

And I have dreams to this day of this moment, of the relief that I felt, of pulling this obstruction out of my body that'd been hugging me for.

Months.

The end.

Oh wait, sorry, I hit the wrong one.

Sorry more.

Children, children, come on in for come on in. It's hair moll with wax fresh out of the deepest belly button.

Come on, dear it that is that's honestly disgusting. I don't know what to do with you, dude. I don't know, dude, I don't know. Let's see if we got any kind of music that Oh, this is good.

Silence is.

True.

It's time to make it.

It is.

I almost hand.

Because listening to you has gotten a far far too toe get so fun allay from what we were before, away from well.

Be really.

And in conclusion, this is like a real sweetheart, but I gotta go. Oh god, lady, gee, you were the curs.

Whoa hello, Hello, Hi, It's cool.

This is I'm pretending you're my dog.

That's how you talk to your dog. Honestly, same.

Have to you got to now you surely know the topic. Let's see if you do.

I'm talking about nature, right, the importance of nature.

That's your timing. Now, are you a drum ball engineer? Uh? Do you study drum rolls and non traditional use of drum rolls? And that's what your PhD is about.

That's exactly right, the importance of nature obviously every thing. So well, I live in a really big city now, but I'm originally from Seattle. So for me, nature is like, like, you know, being outside in the green, it's healing.

It's totally like, I need to go find a place in nature at least once a week and disconnects. You guys can't do the city can't do it.

And when you go there, you don't use your phone at all.

I try not to, but I'm really bad at that because I'm very much addicted to the social.

Media on it.

Wasn't it funny though, that you said disconnect You're just like on your iPhone and a cabin literally connected.

I wouldn't be, but I you know, I got to say, every once in a while, you got to see what's going on Instagram.

I mean, and I'm truly are Instagram. I'm starting to think time to say goodbye. It's time to say bye. But on the other hand, how would I promote my podcast. See this is where we're in a bit of a pickle. But I really really, really really really have an addictive personality, and I think we're all just being manipulated by algorithms. I have to say, like Instagram sucks now. The algorithms suck.

Yeah, the whole not seeing your posts from your friends but seeing this suggested posts.

Thing, all of it. It's just very it's very counterintuitive, and it's very disorienting. And people that I do actually want to see their posts. Like I was just looking at who I follow because I was honestly thinking, should I be like one of those people who only follows three people or zero?

One of those clabs.

Yeah, I was literally like, should I shift to that celebrity model for social media, like follows zero people? I always hated people who do that, but now I really go, you know what, Instagram has gotten away from what I wanted it to be. And it used to be a place where I literally looked at nature videos and now it's just like everything else a fucking cesspool of absolutely polarized bigotry and hate one.

I mean, you know what, even if you aren't following people that you like, I'm sure you'll still see random asks, so they'll be the same thing that.

You don't know, well that's the thing you follow some like nature account they're like, kill all women. You're like, what exactly thought this was a nature accounts? Anyway, I

It's totally nuts. I mean, but it's like not to get too political here, but I feel like the politics of the whole thing, it's like we just turned into such a polarized society in every sect.

I mean, everyone's putting infographics. Here's a slideshow of what to say if someone talks to you about their point of view, and it's literally like instructing people how not to listen to each other, how to how to just keep repeating you're very usually on I think, on many sides, very uh what do you call it? Not propagandased, but basically like very one sided, omitting a lot of pertinent

No, I feel Yeah, that's why I like Instagram has totally gone downhill, because all of the stories that I see now are just people's political opinions, which feel like just shouting into an abyss. Because I only follow people who share the same political opinions as me.

Really, because I follow people who I thought shared the same belief system as me and I've been like, oh, we don't.

Yeah it's true.

Uh yeah, so it's been. It's been a very eye opening experience.

I agree. I'm on the same side of you. I'm thinking about leaving social media, but I live in a different country than the rest of my family and friends, so that's the really annoying thing that's keeping me around all that.

But yeah, that's the thing with all technology, right. It's like, Oh, I don't want to be on my phone, but I need it to use the GPS to navigate here. I don't want to be on my phone, but it's my clock. I don't want to be on my phone, but it's how I track my steps. I don't want to be on my phone, but it's how I keep in touch with my friend in another country. I don't want to be on my phone, but blah blah blah. And pretty

I'm like what I was.

I'm like, uh, where am I more? I'm like, wait, did they change a number of hours in a day? Because I know I slept yesterday. It's so it's so distainting. I'm like, I guess I'm just always kind of holding it. It's like a cigarette, you know, but it's like a cigarette that you can have indoors in mixed company in a movie. You know. It's like it's like the perfect cigarette.

Honestly, that's the one thing that drives me nut that I do. I'm really good at. I have to say for myself is at a table in a restaurant with other people, I do not look at my phone because that drives me insane. Makes reactions to that one.

Okay, Yeah, the crowd wasn't sure. No, I don't know. I mean I remember when like iPhones are I don't know what, there just Scott more and more popular and people there was a long period of time where people started getting on their phones all the time more. This is poorly articulated, but the point being, there was a time where people would go everyone's on their phones. They would like point it out, like, oh my god, look at you're on your phone.

You're on your phone.

You're on your phone. I mean, And I guess maybe people do that somewhat still, but I would be so like, yeah, whatever, We're on our fucking phones, you know. So I guess, like what I said before is part of the issue. It's like, well, if you use your phone to like see what the babysitter, if there's any updates, if you use it to see what time it is, if you use it to like remember if you took your vitamins or whatever the fuck it is, how do you know?

No, I mean I feel that way. This is a much smaller level. But like I am a teacher, and I you know, put my phone away when I'm teaching, obviously, but I have my Apple Watch because I'm like, I don't know what if it's like a car crash.

Right now, your Apple my mom needs to get a hold Does your Apple Watch give you car crash alerts?

No?

But like what if my mom's trying to call me because there was like an emergency car crash.

Can you imagine know how stressful if every time there was any car crash your Apple Watch was like car crash, you know about like anything you're scared of doing. People are like, well, cars are ten thousand times more dangerous if like you know, and it just doesn't feel that way when you get in a car. It feels mundane. But if you got car crash alerts on your Apple Watch every time there was.

Every time it happened, and I don't I don't.

Know if we're even just talking in your city or if we're talking.

Globally at Idea, every time there.

Was a car crash globally, you get axult axult adjults to your little zing song. You get a little jult to your wrist and it says car crash, car crash, and you're like, oh, I mean if if you imagine, yeah, you would just be constantly it would just be one long buzz. I guess it wouldn't stop.

Yeah, No, it would be keep you awake.

I guess you would have to limit it to your city.

That might even be depending on where you live.

Could is why bye hello?

Okay?

You wanted to know what nature is to me?

I sure did it. Thanks for getting right down to it. Can you talk louder though I can barely hear you?

Of course I can. I feel like there's two different sides to nature the word for me, and one largely revolves around the outdoors and moss.

Okay, hold on and okay? Was that so quiet? That was a ding?

Was that like a point a point from am.

Okay?

And then the other side of it is the nature aspect of like people and like what constitutes their like the eight Old the old adage of nature versus.

Nurture exactly so exactly. I thought you might be saying that.

Or it could be both, depending on how high you are, right, you could feel like one with the mosque.

Yeah, it could be like a simul cast of what you know, what is nature or nurture for a buck in the wild. So that's both nature and nature. Oh boy, Yeah, this is like philosophy. Let me tell you. If there's one thing I didn't like, it was philosophy classic you know what? Actually I did like it, but then I felt really betrayed because I read all these like heart core feminists and then I realized, like their lives weren't the same as the things they said. But anyway, the

Yeah, I think that's worth while, adding.

Didn't they have one? Oh? No, Kojak was adding snore sound effects. I need one on the board, though, I need one on the board.

Honey, you have to have it at your fingertips, ready, ready, at command.

That's right.

Yeah, No, I think that it's interesting. Who do you feel like a feminist? I didn't uh didn't live it?

Gross. Sorry, I hoped that.

No.

I hit that.

I hit that with my knuckle uckle uckle uckle uckle uckle uckle uckle.

Uh.

Oh, I'm glitching auckle auckle uckle louckle alcohol ackle ackle. I got to start getting out of these calls sooner. I'm being too languid. Do you know that word languid?

Hello, Chelsea, Hey, molecute and you've been looking for.

Somebody to.

Okay.

I felt compelled to call because you've been mentioning help professional.

Okay, and I happened to be one.

Oh shit, what.

Do you got for us?

Okay? I was honored when you did the whole jackpot thing, but then the crashing sort of brought me back down.

To earth, and that's kind of what I was going for. I was like, wow, here, here we are, we're celebrating you. But at the same time, what do you bring to the table? Let's get down to brass tacks.

You know, I don't know what do you want to know?

Well? What are you? You only said that you're a health professional. Can you elaborate?

Medical doctor?

Okay?

Board certified and.

Apparently I accidentally hit that with my hand, but it really it's more inspired than what I.

Was gonna do, which was just looks. You know what? It bumps the energy right back up? Okay, can you say you're a medical professional. It's like you're being so cagy with the deeps. Girl. What's your field? Tell me anything I can latch onto. Don't make me the bad guy here. I just want to know.

Yeah, well, I'm in training to be a hematologist oncologist.

Now what is hematology? The study of blood yep? Do you do vampire finacials?

Unfortunately no, But have you heard of something interesting to look into?

I've read that they are bullshit, because okay, so you know they like take your blood out and spin it and they say they're separating I've never done this. I think it does seem idiotic. They take your blood, they put it in some canister shit that's probably fake. Then they say they're spinning it for like, I don't know, ten minutes or something, and then they're rubbing half of it on your face or some shit like that. That's

I want to say no, ten minutes feels.

Pretty fast, but great.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm not the one centrifusing blood, so I honestly don't know.

What blood are you doing? What are you doing with blood?

Mostly looking at it under a microscope.

And what are you looking for?

I guess it depends on what's going on with the patient.

Mm hmm.

You look for all kinds of stuff. H But honestly, I'm more interested in the oncology.

Hold on, I'm still interested in blood. I have a question. Well, if you ever get some blood and you're looking at it under your microscope, what makes you go holy moly? You take your little glasses off for a break, you like, clean your lens. You're like, what is going on with this blood?

Like?

What would make you do have a strong reaction to a blood sample on a microscope?

Well, definitely, if I see some sort of parasite inside a.

Red blood cell, that would be what would that be?

Like malaria?

Ooh?

What does malaria look like?

Uh?

It sort of looks like a ring inside the cell. Typically you don't see anything inside of a red blood cell.

Now do people just ever get their blood drawn for no reason just to be like, okay, check it out as anything up with it?

Yeah, I'm sure, but I'm not really looking at those hyper contractor microscope All right, Well, listen.

Thank you for your call. I can't do it anymore. It's like pulling teeth to get any info.

Doc.

Hello, holy shite, Holy moly, Moly, Moly, Molly, Molly, Molly Moon.

My goodness, you know, I'm a certified head way for you.

Thank you for loving me. The wall.

God bless you.

What is it? This one?

Broken? Hello?

Hm hmm yeah, that's pretty much how I feel. See hey, listen, I know it's supposed to be about nature, but I literally just got in the mail my favorite eyeliner ever, and I just needed to share it with you because I'm curious if you also used it, and like it.

Should I even bother having topics, you know, I was trying to be more organized this run around and like post the topic and then everyone's just calling like, hey, you know what.

Ah, I'll talk about whatever you please.

No, listen, no one's passionate about nature. It's just, you know, we very simply need to set up our final interview of this podcast. We got a doozy, a couple that's a bit of a doozy in the Natured apartment. So what's the iseliner though? I would like to know.

Oh so it's Victoria Beckham's cajal eyeliner.

Please spell aj A l ka j A L.

Yeah, no idea what it means?

Well, let's look it up. Let's see.

It is absolutely wonderful. And it does not give you that line in the crease.

Hmm.

It's just very silky and then it drives matt hmmm.

And what is the color?

And it's fabulous.

Oh I have the gold I.

Have, But what's what's kjol?

I don't know, man, That's what I'm calling in to ask you. I thought you should know.

You're Oh, that's the name of the liner, not the color. Do you know what's funny? I'm actually hitting every button on the accident today, but they're perfectly timed and curious. My knuckles are on fire.

I would love to get your review, perhaps like a five page book report on this eyeliner.

Creamy texture is what it says. I don't know about a creamy texture.

I have those like deep set eyes like a corpse would have. And I'm telling you, man, I do not get that a cometrol laughing.

But does it creamy smear and smudge?

So you do get a little smudgy smudge, but only if you like want it. The end of the liner has that little I don't know, smudgy sticky poof thing inmajiggy and you can do like the really cute smoky eye. But if you just let it dry, it doesn't smudge.

Okay, cool, all right, all right, all right, alright, alright, alright, alright, all.

Right, lady. Here's the thing. My favorite eyeliner I ran out and I kept putting off re purchasing it. It was a Christian door eyeliner. I don't even remember buying it, but anyway, it was in this you know, a silver eyeliner. You know, the outside of it is silver, and the liner itself was like a brown gray m hm oh.

I like that.

It was such a pretty color, brownish gray, no blue feeling to it, like a warm gray. And it was the perfect under eyeliner.

Okay, hmm, yeah, I never heard of such a thing. It sounds gorgeous. But this line has like several metallic shades and they're all freaking amazing.

Is wear?

What are you a name on?

Lady?

I gotta go, girl.

Do not.

Just see what I do?

Not see? Hello? Hey, Hi, welcome to the party line. Other others here, yeah, just me, but I'm others?

Okay?

Is the topic still nature?

Yeah? What do you think? No one so far has really been too passionate, even a woman who was a self proclaimed environmentalist, didn't have too much to say on the topic in a weird way.

Okay, I'm not an environmentalist, but I love like being in nature, for sure.

Do you do you a lot of hikes?

Do I do a lot of hikes? I do like hikes. I really need a partner though. I need someone to go, let's go for a hike, and I go, let's do it. It does take a lot out of Yeah, the incline, but those views and being in nature, it's worth it. I need a hike partner. I need someone to say, hey, let's go hike. I used to hike all the time. I'm actually starting to melt down right now. I used to go for two hour hikes and an incline on hot this.

Have you ever done like hiking and camping?

You know what I really want to I went camping with my dad as a child. But now I don't know. There is a part of me that's a little scared.

Yeah.

Well, sometimes you can get like you can hike between like cabins like you rent well, I mean, I don't know. You don't have to be like an attend.

I know.

Okay, I did that this summer in the Alps, the French.

Albu really and so what you used to in cabins? And you hiked how many miles a day?

Miles?

I don't know, but I know like it was like maybe twenty five to twenty seven kilometers a day.

God, I was going to make a joke about kilometers, but you really did measure in kilometers. Yeah, you never translated? Are you from the States?

I am, but I was living over there for a bit and I just kind of forgot about miles.

I can't believe you weren't sort of always translating in your head to really go Okay, I walked twelve miles.

And no, no, I had to learn like military.

Time, and that's ooh now military nineteen o'clock, dude, military time. I truly have to say, I don't understand it. And this is the thing. Also, I was going on a rant about social media, but it's like everyone who has to be like everyone needs to make constant proclamations on social media all the time. I go, hey, I don't understand military time. I don't know the difference between cities and states.

Okay, yes, a lot question it's not related to nature.

Yeah, well, join the glob.

Okay, and this is not food tests, it's just like, I want to know your opinion. Pancakes are waffles.

You know, there's certain foods like mac and cheese, for example, that vary so drastically from place to place.

Right, Yeah, there's a lot to consider.

Here's what I hate for a pancake and a waffle. Actually it's the same thing. I hate a gummy texture, rubbery. The worst pancake is rubbery. The worst pancake if you rub it against the pavement. It sounds like this. A waffle, my dream waffle is really crispy on the outside and really soft on the inside. But then you got your lemon.

Pancakes, so like they need to have a crispy edge.

Oh, I mean I love that, Yeah, I would love that. Now there's also a lemon pancake. There's also blueberry pancakes. There's pumpkin pancakes. You know, there's corn pancakes that are more dense, which I actually do like. There's buckwheat pancakes. I love buckwheat pancakes. So I guess if I had to choose, I might say pancakes. But the problem is those rubbery ones are pretty common and same with waffles.

I think both though, make you feel like shit after.

One hund.

That's what they have in common.

And that's the nature of pancakes, that's a nature of flour. Flower is a grain, grains our nature.

We did it.

I have to hang out to start hanging up during jackpots. That way people feel good. Still. Hello, yllo, Hello, this is your grimma. All right.

Hello.

That sounds exactly like my grandmother. May she rest in peace. Hello. Sometimes I do an impression of my grandmother that makes me miss her.

Hello, Oh Hi, longtime. First time?

The hell? The hell are you?

It's a terrible thing.

One more time, it's a terrible thing.

Yeah, I'm true that I'm living living like Larry.

How are you?

Oh?

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

Oh you're not able to hear me.

Hello. Sad times I'm doing an impression of my deceased grandmother and it's making me miss her. Actually, literally, just saying hello like that like fills me with incredible nostalgia. Hello, I'm creeping myself found. This is like a Ouiji board and you're being involved in a sands right out of the gate.

Hello, I love that.

Thank you.

My grandma would be also be like, you don't know, he don't know about this, or that he don't know. Well, it's a terrible thing. I go, do you want to get this dessert and split it? And split it? And she'd be like, you get your own, all have one, and you have one. She never would share bites of anything. God, lover, we miss your grandma. Hello.

Oh she sounds, she sounds.

You hang up from me, listen, it would be warranted. Okay, oh wait, I know what. I have a food test for you. You ready, Yeah, okay, I'm gonna set you up here. Gravy.

What about gravy?

Is it good or is it bad?

It very much depends on the dish A good like nice round gravy at Thanksgiving? That's all right, maybe like the biscuits and gravy, all right.

Greevy really to.

Me is not good.

I don't I never got I never was into gravy.

It feels that's completely fine that it's more for me. You don't you don't need.

To have it.

It's not okay, it's not okay.

We're at odds.

You love it, I hate it. What are we gonna do here?

Uh?

What should do?

So?

Well?

You can get your own and I can get mine, you know.

Just like your grandma.

That's a great idea.

We'll do it.

All right. Are you calling about nature? Honestly?

Oh?

Yeah, I was calling about nature?

Yeah?

I try, thank you, thank you. Yeah. No, nature. Nature is awesome, and it's gonna persist forever, you know where I mean, until the sun blows up.

Yeah.

Like we as a human species were so stubborn. We made rocks talk to each other and that's how we got phones and shit. But after we die, you know, Nature's just gonna keep taking over. Even if radiation like hits it like crazy, It'll find a way.

Yeah. I do sometimes take comfort in that old theory that old hey earth will continue. We just won't, right, absolutely.

I don't know. I love being a steck of dust.

How old are you? Child?

Twenty one?

I knew it. I love me a speck of dust. I'm like, you have.

No kids, Yeah, I don't have any kids.

It's so much easier to be abstract and philosophical in that way. But whatever, we all have to get through life.

Huh, it's how we do it.

Yeah, let's see. I feel like I need like I love being a spec up fast yea. I wish there was a song for that, but I don't know what's.

This instead of a Patrade I love.

H I guess a song for that would maybe be. This song is not a metaphor by Brian David Gilbert doesn't really have to do with dust, but it's it's an all right song for a weird existential dread, for like absurdism, where nothing matters smiley face.

Nothing really matters. Okay, I don't know that song, so I can't really comment. I'm gonna have to say, you're a little cute lettle speck of dust.

All right, step cute, lettle speck of a little dust.

You need a cute I'm gonna talk to you like my dog and then hang up on you. Ready, Okay, Okay, hold on? Cute beep doogy, cute beepy doogy, no biting, no biting.

Cutey dooky.

He's too cute and it's over. And that's like giving a shot or something you make it payless. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to girl Jelsea. But ready today is a theme that no one is really speaking to. It is nature?

Hello, Kelsey?

Is that you?

Hello? Am I missing something?

Nature sounds?

I guess.

I love nature? Wait? Is this happening right now? Am I missing something?

Kelcey?

Something?

Oh my god, you're freaking out?

You mean, is this happening right now?

I didn't know because my first time ever calling, I was like I didn't know if. I was like, I didn't know what was going on. I can't believe I'm talking to you right now.

Oh my god, Oh my god, wait I can I can't hear you my car.

Oh, I'm sorry. I got in my car on my break at work and I saw you posted the number. So I was like, let me just call for ships and gigs, see what happened.

And here we are, and here you are, driving around the streets and safely on a.

Podcast back way. I'm in Alaska right now. So the words are really idyho. That's what's like. Driving everywhere Alaska is like I can talk about.

That's yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's really horrible right now. But though summers are gorgeous, summers are gorgeous. Oh my gosh, that's how I feel.

I I haven't seen a.

Bear up here yet, though.

I was just listening to your episode about the bear attack.

What bear attack?

And I, well, there hasn't been a bear attack. But I was listening to your one where you're asking people, I the one you just posted and if I see a bear, I would love to tell Chelsea a story about a bear.

But I've seen a moose.

And did it charge at you?

It did not.

I'm too scared. But we were just driving past it and we just looked at it and we were like, wow, a moose.

Well, why so? Wait? Alaska. All I think about in Alaska is like all the reality shows that I've seen about Alaska. Like there was a time where like ice road truckers, just.

All of it.

I mean, anytime you turn your TV on, it was like Alaska, Alaska home builders, Alaska people, building fires, Alaska people. I was like, what is the is there? How much of like attash what do you call that? Like they give incentives to shoot in different places like Atlanta.

I was like, I don't know much about that.

Yeah, well it's gotta be dirt cheap to shoot in Alaska. That's all I'm gonna say.

Yeah, I know they they do have a lot of laws about it because they're very big on like protecting the native land still, which I think is cool.

Laws about shooting specific on.

Where you can and can't, what you can and can't, how much you can and can't.

Well, that's crazy considering how many shows there are, I.

Know, like dead LEAs, KapS and stuff.

You're talking about hunting.

I don't know hunting fish. I don't do any of it. I don't I don't know anything.

What are you doing in Alaska? Dare I ask? So it's shooting for me?

Me and my boy Me and my boyfriend are really really good friends from up here. They went to college together. Yeah, and she kind of is always like to the lower forty eight ers, like, hey, joking, we come up and moved to Alaska, and we were like, okay, So we moved up from Phoenix just this pasta.

Wow, you're going from one end of the weather spectrum to another.

Yeah, and it's my first winter ever. I grew up in Texas, so I'm so new to me that I'm doing.

Well so far.

Now, are you like on social media? Posting about your life change.

Uh, yeah, somewhat. I don't post a lot, but like my friends know that.

I'm up here, okay, because it does. Like that is a show. I would watch you and your boyfriend in Alasta.

Yeah.

Yeah, a teacher at a barista just Alaskan things up in Alaska?

Yeah, Like so is he working at like a chic cafe.

No, I'm the barista the biggest coffee chain in sucking the world.

Oh, if you catch my.

I re.

So you he's a high school teacher.

Wow coffee.

Yeah, we're just educating youth and giving them coffees. It's what we do.

You're making this world run. You're making it exactly. Making this world have diarrhea and.

You make it.

Exactly.

Let's talk about the bathroom at your workplace. I hate our bathrooms, tell me everything.

Part of my job is like keeping an eye on who uses our bathrooms. And a lot of people don't use our bathroom as well because we have like an open bathroom policy at our company, so we can't really say no to people. So then you got people doing jackshit in the bathroom all the time. And I'm like, I just I just work here to make coffee. I'm not trying to be the bathroom police.

You got people absolutely spattering that bathroom exactly.

It's nasty.

They're giving you a little grande spatter if you fun in my drift more like a venture. Yeah, I don't know what is a VENTI I don't remember.

It's the big one.

See. I was one of those people that you probably hate where. I was just like, if I ever have to go there because I don't like that place, huh you neither? I would say small or large? Do you hate that?

And that's fine? No, I don't mind that at all. I hate more when people are like.

Oh, what is it?

Let me think of the word. Let me think of the word. I'm like, just say small at large. I got you. I've been working here. I know what you're you're up.

Do you ever call him a bitch?

I will get fired.

But just say small, bitch, Just say big. Yeah I killed him with well in.

Your honor confee caffe.

Oh my god?

Yes?

And what about this copy cop big comic.

Copy copy copy copic copy comic compac comp cover.

Expresso expresso expresso espresso. I love it. I love it now. I love you so so much. I really.

I know you usually cut it short.

I have to go back in.

I was just on my.

Ship. I know, oh ship, you are leaving me.

I know.

That's my bab.

I'm going out.

But I love you so so so much.

I'm so glad I got to talk to you.

Oh listen you too. You're a sweetheart. I hope you have a grand grand a time at work.

And thank you so much, Sophie, toutle lout bye but bye.

I was gonna be like, it's not bad, it's bye for now, but I couldn't remember what it was.

Hi.

Oh my gosh, I tell you hi.

All, Hey are you?

Are you in a cafeteria?

Am I here?

Are you?

Here?

Are you in a cafeteria? Where'd you just walk to a more secure, quiet location?

Nope?

I did, yeah, no I did. I'm I at work. I just walked into like one of the private room.

You bad girl, You bad bad girls.

I've had a really good day at work today.

What is a good day at work? Entail?

I So I am a recruiter, so I get new clients and I please people. And I got a new client today and I found a young gentleman a new job today.

That's got to feel good. Huh, what's the job?

The job?

What job that you got?

I got the person. Yeah, it's an assistant property manager.

Now you don't think they got it for themselves with their skill set.

Oh no, he did, but I introduced him to the opportunity.

That's pretty cool. So then do you make a percentage of that job or how does it work?

I do, Yeah, I make a percentage of it. So he's basically getting like I get twenty five percent of his first year's salary. Well, I mean my company, I don't get all of that. I wish I did, but then I get like a smaller percentage of that.

And do you try to get the price that, like his annual salary up so that that twenty five doesn't infringe on his earnings?

I do like to get that up as much as possible, but within reason because I don't want to screw over my client.

Right, This is my question, Like is it worth it for people to use a recruiter?

It depends, Yeah, I mean if you're willing to pay, like to see for it, Like if you're gonna find if you have a job that you need fills and it's one hundred thousand dollars. I'm going to charge you twenty five thousand dollars. That's right, find a person, So like, if you're willing to pay that, then like, hell yeah, it's worth it, and I provide a really good service.

Where do you find talented candidates?

I mean everywhere? I find them on LinkedIn, I find them in my company's database. I post jobs, and then I call.

People like all day long, you work hard.

That's the impression that I want to give off. I definitely don't work as hard as I could, but I work hard just enough, you know what I mean?

Well interesting, mm hmmm, uh So what are you going to keep working for the rest of the day or do you feel like you've earned your You've earned your day.

I haven't earned my keep yet. I do need to post the job. I do need to post one job on the internet. But then then I'm gonna I'm gonna head out of here.

What is the job?

I got a new job today. It's like a little administrative for all, It's.

A small one.

That special.

And then do people have to pay anything outside of that percentage to use your services? Like, if you want a job, no, that's about it?

All right?

Wow?

What do you think about nature?

Huh?

Nature? You know the theme today was nature.

I saw that nature. I think that nature is our our core. It's like back to the basics. Yeah, you know, anything outside of the nature is you know, extra.

It's do you think we're like too estranged from how food is made?

Oh my god?

Yeah?

What do you feel about fake meat like.

That and meat?

Well? I do feel like, if you know, if it would save the earth, I would become vegan. And I think that fake meat often tastes pretty good. The only thing is that I don't know that it's particularly good for you. A lot of times.

Yeah, there's like I don't know if there's anything natural about it.

Like I think that there might be actually things in real meat that are good for you that I don't even know. I agree fake meat has or not, but I don't know. I think there's been there's developments all the time. So I don't want to speak out of school because I don't know. I'm not up to speed on all the fake meat tech as it were. Do you have any tips for people who have an important job interview and they're nervous? What do you suggest they do?

I suggest be yourself.

I think that's like the most cliche thing ever. But don't overdo it, Like, just have a conversation and make the interviewer laugh, laugh, have a good time, make a joke, crack a joke, be likable. They want to work with people who are likable. And that that's my end of the day.

All right, well, thank you so much. Congrats on your day. It is crazy how there's so many there's so many jobs that are basically being a middleman between people. Anyway, this episode is about nature. Okay, it is about nature and spirit, but actually it's not really about much of anything except we are about to turn a corner and we are about to.

Take a call.

Well really, it's a sort of a video chat with two people, a couple presumably, people who copulate, people who live together, people who dream together, and people who take action together. What did they do? You're gonna find out.

Next.

Hello. Hello, So I'm Chelsea and and your.

Names are again I'm Natalie Jonathan.

Oh god, I was disgusting. Good hear my, that's my worst nightmare. Well, you know, this is a comedy podcast, but I really love nature, So I'm realizing I really can't chew on Boba's during this, So I'm gonna I'm gonna change it up with that approach. Okay, Now, I did I promise you that I did read this article, and I actually just reread it, but my mind is blank, but the gist of what you've achieved is very present.

Sure. Yeah, So we moved from Long Island, New York up to Vermont in twenty nineteen.

Did you move to get away from the Jews? I'm just kidding. Wait, okay, so you lived in Long Island happily, No, that's where we moved. Are you married?

Yepeah married?

You were you were unhappily married in Long Island. Not the marriage unhappily modifies Long Island. Not the marriage. The marriage was great?

Yeah, pretty great?

Okay, cool? Great?

Yeah, great, great marriage. So then we uh decided we were looking to move out of the house we were in and it's either like, all right, we're gonna buy another house on Long Island and live here forever.

So you're like flush with cash. You're flush with cash.

What do you.

You're like, We'll buy a second house or buy another house. Okay, what for? Let me back up and ask what do you both do? If I may?

Yeah, so I still actually worked for the same company I did out of Long Island. So I worked for an audio visual affirm. We do like boardrooms, conference rooms, the fun stuff. Yeah, you know, projectors and TVs and sound systems and stuff.

Yeah, if you like tech stuff, it's the fun stuff.

Okay.

Okay, still the jury is still out for me on tech. Fair All right, So so you do not work in tech?

No, I actually, well, I switched careers when we moved to Vermont, but I'm a special education teacher.

Oh cool, Okay, we're all set, so we know that was your life.

Now you move to Vermont.

Yep, you moved to Vermont.

Yeah. We bought this place up here in February.

Yep.

And there was snow on the ground because it's snow's a lot here, okay. And the spring came around and we were like, whoa, that's a lot of grass that we didn't know was there. We just assumed it had been more fields. They're unmaintained, but the previous owners had cut pretty much all of the five acres of grass that we have every day, maintained it.

And does grass survive snow?

It does, yep, it goes dormant and then comes back in the springtime.

Didn't know that, would have thought you'd have to re what do you call it? Reseed it, roll it. I don't know.

No, yeah, it's pretty hardy.

Well well, well all right, so so you realized, shit, it's not I don't know what your fantasy was that it was taller grasses.

Yeah, I don't know either, but not maintained grass.

When you were shot, you were shocked that it wasn't tall grasses.

And we're like a pastor kind of feel because the previous owners had horses, so we were like, oh, it'll probably just be pastor like a meadal like doesn't really need a whole lot of maintenance. But it was lawn grass, like blue grass, lawn grass right.

Right, So so there you are. How long did it take you to figure out this creative fix that you came up with.

It's really happily that came two years.

Yeah.

Yeah, one of our neighbors Oh, we cut grass for a while.

Yeah, it was a long time.

And there were nights where he would be cutting grass at like ten o'clock at night and he would have started like in the morning. Yeah, go and headlights.

That really takes working remotely to a whole new level. And you're just out on some lawnmower all day, working on your laptop at the same time.

The tract it's happened.

So that's just hard labor. But that you know Vermont, you think it's kind of like hard living a little bit, is it?

Yeah, for sure, definitely.

But we live in kind of like a small neighborhood and every other house is like wooded address.

Oh well, I was going to ask you could I stay with you for a week?

Yeah, okay, great, great, we have a guest room. Okay, he really likes the guest room.

So okay, I'm more of like a dog person. Could you arrange that? What breed are they?

We have a husky and a mixed breed. We're not really sure what she is, but she's very cute.

So like big shudders, big shedters.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If you come for a week, you'll go home with a bag full of dog hair.

Yeah, that's the door price.

Yep, that's yeah, that's something that Okay, I'll take that under consideration. So basically, what you did, let's blow or what it's time for the money shot? What you did? You planted? Well, how did you get this idea and what did you do? You said?

So, our neighbor we had met up here works a company that sells seeds, and we had kind of mentioned like, oh, what could we do with our property and what we do differently besides the grass, because we just didn't really we don't enjoy the lawn some people do wasn't for us. And she said, oh, you should try a wildflower meadow, and we said, oh, that sounds interesting, and so we looked into it a little bit more and then ended up doing one of them in twenty twenty Yeah one, twenty twenty one.

Yeah, I don't really the dates don't matter to me. If you're worried about like figuring out the timeline, that's not my strength. Wait, so who's the person you asked who gave you this idea?

Our friend Hadley. She works for American Meadows. We just happened to meet her during the pandemic because she was staying with her mom, who is our neighbor, and we spent a lot of time to other and we were just kind of musing on what to do with some of the property. And she was like, Oh, I have an idea.

How fortuitous. Yeah, what is what is American Meadows?

They're a seed company yeah, out of Yeah, out of Vermont that works on doing regional based seeds. And that was that was important to us because we didn't want to bring in We want to try to minimize non native species.

You wanted a native. That's that's very typical of the times we live and people are trying to do the right thing all over the place, you know what I mean.

So here you are.

You've got a meadow expert friend. This friend says, hey, you hate your lawn, turn it into a metal And then you have this insane wildflower thing. Now I was reading about it and you said you were like seeing the first little baby's breath come up. And you know, in the beginning of the pandemic, I had a little zucchini plan and it had a flower. My son was like, I think three at the time, and he tore it off and it never grew and it was literally all I had because there's nothing to do, and I was

Yeah, definitely, it was. Yeah, and we kind of just we did it because we thought it would be pretty and because we didn't want to mow anymore. And it was just, honestly so surprising how many people, also, like other people around our area, got so kind of that same little bit of joy from it.

And you used it, didn't You used it to make friends, You used it for social pashit now sorry, you know. I sometimes I've watched a lot of courtroom dramas, so that's cool. So it brought you together, it created.

Community, and yeah, I really you know, so it's likely. So we moved up in August of twenty nineteen. So then obviously in early twenty twenty, the pandemic happens, and when we moved here, well.

Obviously, depending who you are, some people think it didn't happen. True, you never know. I mean I call it a pandemic for example.

Yeah.

Yes, And we moved up here knowing one family and they live about forty minutes away. So a few months in and now everything's kind of shut down and we can't do much. And we had kind of met one other real friend at the time who just lives across the road, and then we had met Hadley, who we just spoke about, and so we didn't really know a lot of people. And that first season with the meadow, it's it's right along the road we live on, so you can kind of see it if you're driving by.

That it doesn't get like annoying now with people looky loose driving.

Not because we do. We do live in Rollo, Vermont, so it's not like a big, well known road. But people were talking about it around town that we didn't know yet. And you know, we had a few people who would stop by and just say, oh, you know, thank you so much. We love coming to drive by and see it. During the pandemic, people send cards, thank you notes, made fake goods.

Someone brought us like a beautiful bouquet of gladioli from there.

Yeah, and then after we started to meet more and more people, we'd be like, oh, yeah, this is where we lived, like, oh, you guys all have the meadow, like yeah, and everyone kind of started to know of the people with the meadow, which was pretty cool. But it was you know, kind of helped establish us in the community. And I didn't have to cut grass.

So now where do you go from here? You've I read that you've grown another meadow, maybe at a neighbor's house or something.

We did it.

It's it's I'm looking at it right now. It's right outside are like right on the fence line of our property theres if you were driving by, it would look like it was our property. It's right and then there's trees that so we can't see their house. But yeah, it's right next to our house and it's it's really pretty. It's a good one.

Yeah. So we expanded that and now we still have some grass left that we don't we don't cut, so we cut minimal amount of lawn and then we'll turn more of our property into meadows. Are of my best friends who are actually maple syrup farmers friends.

Now we're talking. Now we're getting to the good stuff. The girl getting gravy. Have you ever thought about putting a wild flower garden on your roof?

Ooh good, idea that could work, That could work.

We did stay in a house in Vermont that had a grass roof, so slightly against what we're going for, but similar concept.

It's like, how far could you take it before it would actually start alienating people? Like you grow it on your roof, then you grow it in your sink. You guys, the meadows growing on your floor. All of a sudden, all your neighbors that were coming over, Hey, here's cookies, here's Gladiola's. They're like, hey man, and they just keep walking because they're like these guys, you know, they got to learn some other social skills. This isn't the only way to make friends.

You have a cupful of flowers, you know.

Yeah.

I think we could drop them from like helicopters, like just see drop yeah, yeah, and just have wild flowers everywhere.

I think we should just be meadow vigilantes.

Yeah, I mean, what would there be any harm in that if you're using all native flowers? Nah, so maybe I should do that. So have any environmentalists reached out to you about like turning this into a broader program.

Not exactly. We've had some I've had some people find me on Facebook to send me messages let us.

Know that they weren't native enough.

Oh yeah, it's gonna get you. Yeah, they're always going to let you know, Hey, you're bringing joy into the world. What's a little fuck up you committed? What's something that's sour that I could find in the mix? Did you listen to their advice and shift your planting?

No?

No, I deleted the message.

The flowers that they were plaining about. We're all annuals and there's very small chance that they will even come back.

Okay, so they're not going to like proliferate all over the place.

Not experience.

No, No, Now, were you people that were nature oriented prior to this or not so much?

Yeah?

Yeah I was. I've always been an outdoorsman, hunting and fishing. To whether some people agree that that connects to nature.

Or not.

Very controversial.

Yeah.

You ever have a bear encounter?

Oh?

Yeah, not a bad one, but yeah, Well, just, well, you could have a pretty awful bear encounter on her birthday.

Yeah, not in the way you think, though, what do I think?

I'm trying to think. What do I think he baked your cake and then ate it? Or I don't know.

No, that would have that would have probably been good.

So I love bears, and I had just been saying how much I would love to see a bear because I had never seen one like in per really just wanted to see a bear. We were up on a mountain camping for like kind of near our house, like between our house and our friend's house, and I was just I had just said I really would love to see a bear, and not two hours later, a hunter came up up the hill just past our campsite, dragging a dead bear like he had killed and we're going to eat.

Wait, first of all, are you allowed to kill bears in Vermont?

Yeah?

Yeah, there's a hunting season for it.

Really, they protect berries.

They taste like what they eat what they eat, which is blueberries. So if they were eating ship for the previous week, which they do, it tastes like shit.

Yeah.

Yeah, They're like a scavenger more than anything else, especially like the bears around here. Yeah, so they're eat berries or trash trash. Yeah, so they're eating trash where we out of someone's garbage, they're going to taste like trash.

Oh discuss.

So it's like bear roulette.

We do not I do not hunt bear, nor do we eat bear.

It is not on our list.

You've never tried it?

No, no plans, no, no, I don't.

Have you seen this video it's on Instagram where this little bear cub is walking around in Alaska and it has like long tapeworms, like fifty tapeworms hanging out of its butt, looks like ropes.

That sounds horrible.

No, I don't, he's saying, I did not know that. That's like a normal thing. When they eat a ton of raw salmon, the tapeworms just take up shop and then eventually they shot them out, and I guess they're fine. But it looks like you just want to yeah, like it just looks so uncomfortable. But so wait, so Vermont is bear country.

Yeah.

Yeah, we've got mostly mostly black bears and they're kind of afraid of everything, so they're not unless they have a cub with them. It's not really like I see a bear and I'm like, oh, cool, a bear.

Well, I I have to say that due to my obsession with bears. I just watched a black bear that kept stalking this guy who is videoing it, and he kept going hey bear, Hey bear. And then of course in the comments, everyone's like, oh, he's Canadian, and Canadians aren't seeing hey bear loud enough of course.

And I'm like god, like everyone had something to say.

Yeah, and then he sprayed it with bear spray and it ran off, but it kept climbing. It climbed a tree, and then it would follow him, climb a tree and follow him. Friends, I mean that, really, that really does seem scary. So you haven't seen any you haven't encountered anyone you're hunting.

I have not.

We've seen bears around. We definitely have them around our properties for sure. Really, we've seen she's seen a couple on the property.

Yeah, I've been driving home and seeing them run across the yard.

And you're not scared for your dogs because all the bear attacks seemed to start with a dog like agitating the bear.

True, so yeah, most of the time they will run, but if the big thing is if they feel like their cubs have been threatened, they will defend aggressively. So if, like you, like, if a dog chase a cob up a tree or something, that's going to end poorly for everyone. And I've seen some some fishing, not a lot, but some fishing. And if I see cobs, I'm just like, Okay, I can move. I don't need to fish here.

Do you ever kill any coyotes?

I have not, I am, And it's probably controversial, depending upon if you're a hunter or not. I am very much pro coyote, well at least here.

I know that there are other areas where they're somewhat invasive, but here I feel like they're very useful animals in the food chain for keeping like the ecosystem balance, like what.

Little vermin and stuff?

Yeah, yeah, and and sick dear. I'm also very pro wolf. I would repopulate all of natural WORLF population. Are you part wolf?

How could you repopulate?

Uh?

Now, you buried the lead with this whole wildflower business. I didn't know you were part wolf.

I mean, that wasn't what you asked about, right, It's.

Really mean, Well, anything else I should know about Vermont, it's pretty awesome awesome.

Yeah, very happy, find thoughtful. They look after each other, and it feels like a community.

For voting, isn't it always like super split.

A bit mainly because of Burlington. Yeah, so, Vemont's an interesting state, and I think it's an interesting political state. A lot of conservatives, also a lot of a lot of liberals, and a Laurels kind of reflect that we have a lot of pro gun laws, especially in the state constitution, but we also have you know, I also have a lot of pro women, pro women rights, pro LGBTQ.

Put reproductive rights in the state constitution.

It's a big mix, which really works well for me because I feel like I'm really a bit of both. And someone say like, I just want to be able to take my pistol to my gay friend's wedding, and I'm like, yeah, that that works.

Like your gay friend is like, I'm bad, but I'm good, thank you check it at the door. Wait, so, as a hunter, what is your mean right?

Yeah?

I mean yeah, I have no plans to take a gun to a wedding. That's ridiculous.

But like, congrats boom, like Yosemite, Sam, So what is your main hunting goal?

What are you what are you going after deer?

I in Vermont, I just hunk for deer, and then I I submit for the moose lottery. Every year there's a moose lottery to get a moose tag to hunt moose. I've never gotten it, but just so just deer and fishing a lot of fishing, and.

Then do you eat deer? Deer is venison, right.

Yep, yep.

Yeah.

So if I'm not gonna eat something that I've killed, whether it's deer or fish, I'm not going to kill it. It's not a it's not a sport to me.

What's your favorite venison prep?

I like these little venison nuggets. So they're just like little pieces of storyline cut up and just like quick, like not deep fried, which is like a quick pan fry. It's like a little venison nugget.

I feel like I've had venus before and I like it. It's a little gamy.

Right, yeah, it is.

I like it with like fruit.

Oh interesting, Yeah.

I mean most meat I think is good with fruit personally, like pork chops and apples. Anyhow, what do we think should we become vegan though for the environment or are you not really into the environment? This is just a little kind of Well, it's complex because you're a hunter, yeah.

And you're a libertarian into the environment and in protecting natural resources.

We try to do vegetarian meals whenever we can, and we have a lot of friends who are vegetarian, so we know how to cook good vegetarian food. But I don't know if we would ever be able to go full vegan.

Do you try to cook vegetarian meals?

M Cafe is closed in La. It's what I mean. M Caffe, Come on. M Caffe is a vegetarian like macrobiotic. Actually it's not vegetarian because they have salmon and other things. They probably have chicken, right, I don't remember. Anyway, whatever, it's a health food place just closed down and people are in a shambles about it. Huge loss for the LA food scene.

I could see that we have. We have a place up in Burlington that does a is it vegan chicken? Vegetarian?

It's the egg yeah, vegan.

They do fried Yeah, they do fried chicken, but it's egg but it's made of eggs. And if you the pictures look like fried chicken, it smells like fried chicken, and it tastes like fried chicken. I'm completely convinced they're just full of it, and it is right chicken.

It's kind of weird though, I guess. I guess vegetarians are fine with eggs. Yeah, but it's like you're making it out of its baby, Like, is that really so cool?

I never thought about that. Yeah, I just give it a few more months and you just have chicken.

Yeah, you're like, you're going to live, but your child I'm going to slaughter. It's like, is that I don't know. I don't know how I feel about anything, except that it does seem like if you're hunting deer, like environmentally speaking, that seems much better than cows or something. Right, it is, so I think it is.

Well, we've removed a lot of the predators for a deer, so sometimes well, some of the argument is that if we're removing the predators, we should be managing the ecosystem.

What if we just kill ourselves. We're the predator, the great.

I mean, we're the problem, the problem.

Let jump off, Yeah, I mean, yeah, we should. I want to show this art before we go. It's inspired by this call. I made a little piece of art. I just want you to see.

Oh, that's beautiful.

So it made me. I just as I was thinking, you know, I was like, oh, that he likes to hunt and they have a garden. So that's kind of the backstory. I want to thank you, thank you. Yeah, I'll show it again.

A professional level, kind of like a rose. That's the one.

What's your favorite wildflower before we get out of here?

M hm, what's the name of mine?

Is gorgeous loopin. I've seen in the Sierras a lot. It's beautiful.

I'm a poppy girl. I like poppies.

I agree on poppies. I agree on looping loopin. You say it.

I'm pretty sure anyway, someone will correct.

Us on the Yeah. I would like to get some wild flowers going maybe. Now what about honey? Do you get honey?

Oh?

Our friend has these across the way, but we're it's definitely on our list of things to do.

On the list. We do a large vegetable garden as well, so Plinadoes is really good for that as well.

And do you know how to do your whole garden yourself? We did most we do.

I have a lot of experiences like you and yours, ZERKINI a lot of a lot of tomatoes. Yeah, a lot of pain from that. We grow a lot and it's a learning process for sure.

I cried harder over an eggplant than I did over many things really years ago.

What was wrong with it?

My dog hated and I really wanted it.

Yeah, the dogs got into the gardens it.

And I was really upset about eggplant.

Why is that so upsetting? I mean, I don't think I'll ever forget that little zucchini flower.

You put this all this time and love and water and resources into growing this thing, and then you watch it grow and it's like your little vegetable baby, and then some horrible, horrible creature that lives in your house comes and destroys it.

And whether it be child or canine, it's the same set of feelings. Well, I want to thank you for coming and taking a chance on call Jelsey pretty. This is a relaunch. You're now part of another kind of regrowth, not just your wildflowers, but this very bond gost that's so cute that for us. Thank you so anyway, I wish you the best of luck. I'll be there for a week. I got to figure out my dates.

Send us your date, okay, okay, I just tell you how to get into the house.

Okay, great, yeah, code or something would be great.

Yeah, you got it all right.

Well, I'll send a shirt with my scent on it for the dogs. Then they'll know you. Okay, great, Thank you so much. Bye bye bye bye bye.

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