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But We Loved

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As a gay kid growing up Catholic, in conservative Texas, Jordan Gonsalves knew nothing about queer history. Now, as a journalist, he’s searching for the stories he craved when he was coming of age. Through intimate interviews with LGBTQ+ elders, Jordan uncovers the untold stories of queer history. And in the process, he discovers the role models he always needed and the wisdom they’ve been waiting to pass down.

Episodes

The Author of "The Best Little Boy in the World" on Gay Loneliness

Andy Tobias is one of the most well-known financial thinkers in America and was the treasurer of the Democratic National Committee for almost 20 years. He's also the author of "The Best Little Boy in the World." Often considered the first book to openly address gay American life, it has impacted over a million readers. Andy reflects on his own life experiences trying to be "the best little boy in the world." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

Mar 05, 202530 minSeason 1Ep. 40

The New Health Crisis for Gay Men: Crystal Meth

Mark S. King is in recovery for a Crystal Meth addiction that almost destroyed his life. Gay men are 4x more likely to use Crystal Meth than straight men. Mark reflects on what was at the root of his addiction and how he became sober. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Feb 26, 202545 minSeason 1Ep. 39

Raising Half a Billion Dollars to Fight AIDS

Tom Viola stepped down in December 2024, after leading Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS for 36 years. His fundraising has helped save countless lives. He reminisces on what it was like to live through the grief and trauma of the AIDS crisis — and how he coped. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Feb 19, 202541 minSeason 1Ep. 38

An Oral History of the AIDS Crisis

In this recap of our season's coverage of AIDS, we weave together the different voices of our guests — and their memories — of surviving the AIDS Crisis. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Feb 12, 202542 minSeason 1Ep. 37

Gay Rights Activism in the 60s & 70s

Martha Shelley was one of the architects of the mid 20th century gay rights movement. She recalls the issues she fought against back then — and explains why they're so relevant today. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Feb 05, 202533 minSeason 1Ep. 36

Planning the Very First Gay Pride March

Ellen Broidy proposed and helped lead the very first Pride March in 1970 in NYC. She reflects back on what inspired the march, what its original goals were, and whether she believes those goals have been achieved. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jan 29, 202541 minSeason 1Ep. 35

The Transformational Power of Knowing Your Gay History

Ken Lustbader is a historic preservationist and co-director of the NYC LGBT Historic Sites Project — which has identified nearly 500 historically queer sites in New York. He reflects on how becoming a historian was motivated by living through the loss of the AIDS Crisis. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jan 22, 202536 minSeason 1Ep. 34

A Gay Man Called to be a Priest During the AIDS Crisis

Bill Glenn is the author of  I Came Here Seeking a Person. A Vital Story of Grace; One Gay Man's Spiritual Journey . In the 70s, he trained to be a Catholic priest, but left the seminary at 29. But just as he left, his priestly gifts of love and compassion would be needed to get him — and the thousands of queer people he touched — through the AIDS Crisis. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

Jan 15, 202533 minSeason 1Ep. 33

The American LGBTQ+ Museum’s Board Chair on the Power of Representation

Richard Burns has been a pillar of the American LGBTQ+ rights movement. He helped organize the first National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights in 1979. Later, he became the executive director of the NYC LGBTQ Center when New York was the epicenter for AIDS. Here, he discusses his role in history and why that history must be protected and passed down to young people. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jan 08, 202536 minSeason 1Ep. 32

The AIDS Activist that Smuggled Drugs to Save Lives

In the 80s and 90s, Derek Hodel was the executive director of the New York Buyer's Club — also known as the People with AIDS Health Group. When life saving AIDS drugs in America were too expensive or not approved yet, Derek bypassed the American healthcare system and brought them in from abroad. He reflects on his work and its impact, nearly 40 years later. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dec 18, 202436 minSeason 1Ep. 31

Olympic Diver Greg Louganis On Being A Gay Man In Sports

Greg Louganis is often considered the greatest diver of all time. But his sports journey was intertwined with his deep desire to be loved by his parents. He relives the moment when his HIV status, sexual orientation, and diving career all collided at once: the 1988 Summer Olympics. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dec 11, 202439 minSeason 1Ep. 30

The Gay Children’s Book that Inspired a Culture War

Michael Willhoite wrote the 2nd most challenged book of the 1990s — a children's book called "Daddy's Roommate." The book set off a cultural and political firestorm in America. But Michael recounts how he never sought out to be political. He just wanted to write a children's book. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dec 04, 202427 minSeason 1Ep. 29

The Founding of GLAAD

Jewelle Gomez co-founded GLAAD, the premier queer media watchdog organization, in 1985. She realized early that media was a tool that could prevent homophobia — or perpetuate it. She recounts why GLAAD was founded and why it's still needed today. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 27, 202436 minSeason 1Ep. 28

Noah's Arc: The 1st Comedy to Center Black Gay Men

Patrik Ian-Polk is the creator of Noah's Arc, the first scripted TV show to center Black gay men. The show defied stereotypes and developed a cult following in the 2000s. He discusses the superheroes in his own life that served as his inspirations. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 20, 202437 minSeason 1Ep. 27

The Activist Responsible for Life Saving AIDS Drugs

Peter Staley was one of the most prominent members of the AIDS activism group ACT-UP. He is largely credited as one of the pioneers responsible for the creation of life-saving AIDS drugs. He recounts the most harrowing times of the AIDS crisis — and how he persevered. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 13, 202444 minSeason 1Ep. 26

The Founder of the Trevor Project on Suicide Prevention

This episode contains frank discussion on suicide. If you or someone you know is struggling with mental health, you can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988. In 1998, Celeste Lecesne co-founded the Trevor Project, the nation’s leading suicide prevention organization for queer youth. It was born out of an oscar-winning suicide awareness film he wrote called "Trevor." Celeste recounts how the film was actually based on his own life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informati...

Nov 06, 202440 minSeason 1Ep. 25

Compton's Cafeteria: The Riot Before Stonewall

Susan Stryker is a historian who unearthed the story of Compton's Cafeteria, the first known full-scale queer riot against police harassment in American history. She describes the events of the riot and how her discovery impacted her own life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 30, 202434 minSeason 1Ep. 24

Voguing Goes Global

Luis Camacho Xtravaganza was one of the ballroom dancers who choreographed Madonna's music video for "Vogue." It took voguing from the underground to the mainstream. He relives this complicated time — the rush of stardom and the consequences that came with it. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 23, 202441 minSeason 1Ep. 23

The History of Ballroom Culture

Rayceen Pendarvis is an elder in the House of Pendavis. Rayceen recounts the beginnings of ballroom, how it exploded in the early 90s thanks to Madonna and “Paris is Burning,” and how, simultaneously, it began collapsing from within as AIDS ravaged the community. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 16, 202438 minSeason 1Ep. 22

When Gay People Die, How Are We Remembered?

Larry Colton was profoundly impacted by the AIDS crisis in San Francisco. He reflects on the most difficult loss he endured and what he legacy he was left with. Vote for us to win our first Signal Award here ! For "Best LGBTQ+ Podcast Episode." Voting closes Oct. 17th. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

Oct 09, 202439 minSeason 1Ep. 21

Addiction in the LGBTQ+ Community

Experts say 20-30% of the LGBTQ community abuses substances. Donald Flowers Jr. is a gay man who was addicted to alcohol, cocaine, crystal meth, and sex. He reflects on his struggles with addiction and his journey to sob See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 02, 202436 minSeason 1Ep. 20

The Deadly Fire & The Gay Man that Changed New Orleans

Get your ticket to our free live show here , this Sunday, September 29th at 2:30pm in NYC! Stewart Butler shaped much of the vibrant queer culture in New Orleans, through his political activism. He was driven by the loss of 32 queer people in the Upstairs Lounge Fire in 1972 — a fire that he witnessed with his own eyes. Frank Perez is an LGBTQ+ historian who recounts Stewart’s story for us. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

Sep 25, 202440 minSeason 1Ep. 19

The Escapism of Drag

Sherry Vine is a legendary drag queen that came up in the 90s, in NYC. She's aware of drag's super power: helping queer people escape from the pain of their lives. She was at the center of that during the AIDS crisis. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sep 18, 202433 minSeason 1Ep. 18

America's First "Major" Gay Mayor

In 2009, Annise Parker became the first openly gay mayor of a major American city. As mayor, her signature piece of equal rights legislation famously failed — but it drove her to help elect more LGBTQ+ Americans into office than ever before. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sep 11, 202431 minSeason 1Ep. 17

The Gay Origins of House Music

Lori Branch was one of the pioneering DJs of house music in the 80s. She reflects on the queer origins of the genre, how this history was erased, and why house music still resonates with so many queer people today. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sep 04, 202444 minSeason 1Ep. 16

The History of Gay Cruising

Alex Espinoza is the author of the only official history on gay cruising: Cruising: An Intimate History of a Radical Pastime . He reflects on how cruising helped him find self confidence and led him to the love he had always been searching for. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Aug 14, 202438 minSeason 1Ep. 15

Studio 54 & Disco's Impact on Queerness

Studio 54 was much more than a club. It was the embodiment of disco — a movement that empowered LGBTQ+ Americans and prepared them for a fight they never saw coming. Hal Rubenstein, a fashion icon, was a regular there. He remembers how the highs of the 70s sustained him through the lows of the 80s. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Aug 07, 202434 minSeason 1Ep. 14

The Stroll: Sex Work in the LGBTQ+ Community, Pt. 2

In Part 2 of our episode with Tabytha Gonzalez, she details the consequences of her sex work: a harrowing drug addiction followed by 16 years of incarceration. And she reflects on how years later, she’d return to The Stroll with a new purpose. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jul 31, 202426 minSeason 1Ep. 13

The Stroll: Sex Work in the LGBTQ+ Community, Pt. 1

Tabytha Gonzalez is a trans woman who worked on The Stroll in the 90s, a historic area of NYC known for sex work. She recounts the freedom that sex work gave her — and the costs that came with it. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jul 24, 202433 minSeason 1Ep. 12

Banned At Work: The Military’s Ban on Gays & Lesbians

Danny Ingram was a gay soldier who had to stay closeted during the military’s ban on gay people in the 80s. But when his partner began to die of AIDS, he realized he couldn't stay silent any longer. He decided to fight to end the ban — and 17 years later, he would win. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jul 17, 202437 minSeason 1Ep. 11
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