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Do you want to talk about what we're doing this weekend?

Yeah? That was a That was an awesome message to get. Yeah.

Who'd you get that message from?

The boys? Oh? Yeah, the tribe? Yeah, the try The tribe said hey, we want you to come out and go. Does say, hey we got you for the sideline passes?

Wow? Four of them?

Yes, four time.

Yeah, we're popping in and we're popping out. That's what we gotta do. So what we and what myself and Will are alluding to, twelve team playoff, first year this has ever happened in the history. Now there's a team a little bit up north in Indiana, South Bend, Indiana that is Notre Dame Sherman hates them. They are playing Indiana, a team that has just picked and plugged guys from the transfer portal and have gone an absolute run in the Big ten. And we're gonna find out if they

It is going to be.

An electric time.

Surem you think both of these teams are frauds.

He's always said, he said since we've met him, that Notre Dame is a fraud school.

Throughout the season, you'd almost assume, like, I.

Think Indiana has benefited off of their schedule. I think they are more of a realistic competitor in the playoff than Notre Dame. Notre Dame has yet to win a BCS Bowl, New Year Six, Bawl, or CFP game. This is, without a doubt, this is their last chance. If you can't get a playoff win against Indiana, you're a fraud for life. You're a fraud forever. If it's crazy that they keep on getting the invite with their easy schedule. They be A and M cool. So did how many

They're in the playoff LSU. Here's a question for everybody on the bus is when if you see a brand like Indiana, you think you don't think to yourself football powerhouse. But they're in the twelve team playoff. They had a hell of a year this year. How many years would they have to have of making it to the playoff and being a dominant program in the Big Ten to be looked at as like a like a football brand worthy note, like a noteworthy type brand. How how many years do you think will?

Yeah, I would agree you were holding up too, weren't you. JP. Yeah, they make a what you're talking about if they make a run in the playoffs this year and then they come out hot next year, I mean, that's a it's a that's a respect you're saying, that is a football branded score in this college football playoff era. Yes, Now, as far as like the blue bloods of the world, I mean that takes that takes time.

It takes time, It takes decades.

Yeah, But in the current they make a run in this college will playoff and the next year again they start off out. What was their season record? Eleven and one? They're a team to be in a run?

To you? Is they beating Notre Dame?

They beating their dame?

They still out against Who would they play next? Who knows who they play next? But they think, oh my gosh, yeah yeah, Georgia.

No, it's not Georgia. Georgia is on the Uh that Tennessee State, Arizona State, Texas or uh, look at us, look at us, look at.

Us football podcast. Here we are who they play? S m U and Penn State go against each other, and then the winner of that would play. If Indiana beaten U a Dame, they played boys, it's Georgia.

So it's Georgia.

Okay, So we could probably say that they're gonna stall out. But does that count as a run for you? Like they beat Notre Dame boom? Is that a run?

I think it depends on how they played Georgia. If they played they played Georgia tough. I mean it's look, you you want to go and see what's up with Indiana and signetty if you're recruit why not? Yeah?

Okay, they'll beat Notre Dame. They'll beat Notre Dame. With you more news, I don't know.

Hey, how'd you how'd Army do over the weekend? Remember when you were calling.

For communist will? He added again, they go before they play Notre Dame.

Get smacked.

That Navy quarterback had a great game, a great game.

That's the where you got to throw it all out the window. That's that's Army Navy.

That's Army Navy.

Why records go out the window? We saw it with All State Michigan.

Record breaking performance by that Navy quarterback.

It was crazy. Yeah, I just thought it was interesting. Let me gets their ass beat.

Yeah, let's go over the little quick prediction, Just a quick fast prediction. Will hit me down with those lines right there, Oh State Tennessee, your first art.

I kind of want to save it for the locker room.

That's a good point.

I kind of want to see it right at any research. I'm up in the air on on Ohio State Tennessee right now, Okay, I'll take tennis.

Be told.

I'm up in the air. I think Ohio State is in a great spot to just win the whole damn thing since they've lost to since they've had the season that they've had and losing the Michigan.

I think they're broken. I think they're broken very well, be by three scores. Here's here's one boiler alert for the locker room. I'm not going to waiver on this, even if everything I look at tells me differently. I am going to pick Tennessee. I'm gonna take Tennessee money line. And I fully expect Tennessee to plant their flag in the middle of Columbus, Ohio before it becomes a felony. That's what that's That's what I say. They're gonna get one last one in.

Just send some fans of Columbus Ohio while this game is going on, if they win, just get out in the stadium and plant the flag.

Plant the flag immediately. And if you're a volunteer, if you're putting on the orange, you got to think to yourself, we're gonna win this game. We got to plant that flag.

Now, years past, we're talking about pro big ten, pro sec Yeah, you're in a spot for the right and I know and in the past we've called four Ohio state fans rooted for Michigan.

We have called for that and at that time it made so much sense to me. At the time when we were talking about people rooting for Michigan, it made sense to me what transpired between Michigan Ohio state. The way Ohio state, the state of Ohio has really just folded, has literally crumbled in front of our eyes. A foundation of that state has become so little that a Congressman is trying to push forward a bill to where planting a flag on the fifty yard line should be a felony.

Even if I'm Tennessee money line all the way. But I love plus seven and a half for the walls. I think that's a really good bet.

Yeah, anybody I'm going to do better.

DraftKings get on there. Plus seven and a half basically lock so.

Illus DraftKings switches it up on you. Yeah, and I had a nine leger hit. Oh, I thought hit last night. I hit eight legs out of the nine. All I needed left was Josh Jacobs to get sixty plus yards, which I think he might have gotten the first half. But I go back after I know Josh Jacobs had gotten sixty plus. I go back in the app and look at my settled bets. Apparently they went back on a stat correction and uh Khalil didn't get forty plus yards receiving he got thirty nine.

It's a tough look for DraftKings.

Yeah, look, I get it because ultimately I'm betting on him that forty plus. If he didn't have forty plus and he had thirty nine, ultimately I lose the bet. However, what I'm curious about is if before this nine leger happens, this last leg in my cash it was one hundred dollars bet to win, like twenty six hundred, very conservative nine leg parlay. Well, usually if you put nine legs together, you're thinking like plus ten thousand or something some for you,

Think at the very least, And I'm not gonna tell DraftKings was due. That's a great institution. We love that they're part of the show. Maybe just give you a hundred dollars back one hundred and one dollars.

But if you if you're in defense of DraftKings, like if he only got thirty nine yards for real, you lost the bat. They messed up on the stat correction. I did lose the bet. You're big, You're a big man. Yeah, that's beautiful. I've been obviously thought about this a lot.

Yeah, because some people want to work through right now.

With DraftKings, but then it's like, well, if you only got three nine yards, then ultimately I was I lost.

And also drafting has been really good to us too.

Yeah, and I was curious, I am I has anybody went through that, anybody had like a parlay that they might cash out on before you're here.

You're one of like six people in the world that have hit been close to a nine leg parlay. You're one of the people who have been close to a five leg parlay?

Or was anybody want a singular bet that they was corrected on and then they go back? I would assume they would just take it out of your account, right.

God, did you imagine get that email like you just hit big on something, you're telling all your boys about it. Then all of a sudden, DraftKings pops up or any betting website pops up like hey, by the way, had a bit of a whoopsie daisies here.

Yeah, So I would have you know, the majority of people don't like take the money out of the account, Like the a't even bigger, go down another warm rabbit hole. Say I only had one hundred dollars, I've bet it on that nine like parlay, I cash out before the ninth leg, seventeen hundred dollars I deposited back to my account before they do the stat correction. Then what.

Lawsuit?

Then what you're in a game? Yeah?

Yeah, you're going to court against DraftKings.

Yeah, just interesting when it was a wild it was a wild term.

Did you brought up a big game though? Bill's Lions? Lions, they're so plagued by injuries. They lost a d tackle yesterday as well. Is it gonna hurt them because right now they're tied for the one seed.

I got the.

Lion's schedule right here, it's a favorable schedule. I mean they're at the Bucks or at the forty nine ers, and then they have Minnesota shaky Eagles. Eagles have at Washington, then they have the Cowboys, and they have the Giants. You got to assume they're both gonna win two or three of those and then Lions win. Lions would end up winning the bye.

I'm nervous form in the playoff, the way that they've had these injuries on defense.

I know if anybody needs the buye week, it's the Lions. They gotta have it because it's a team that's scratched in Claude. They put the whole entire city on their back. Like we talked about all the time, the Lady in August essentially to us how much he loves the city and loves the lines, Like there's fans like that in Detroit and you want to see him make a big run.

It's gonna be the Chiefs in Minnesota. Sneak. It's Minnesota sneaking, sneak in there. I mean eleven and two. They're a good team.

Yeah, that's a good ball club, There's no doubt about it.

Philly's interesting. They are. It is crazy how they are arguably the best team in the NFL and it just seems like they have nothing but drama around them. Did you see the Sirianne clip last night to where he's going to the to the bench on the d line of the Lions coach like basically saying, hey, not now, not now, And it's just I don't know, I don't I just don't know how I feel about how they feel about Sirianni. Seems like he just has like no respectation. God,

Over, Sorry, it catches over one hundred yards a touchdown and then there's the celebration. To me, it just made me laugh.

Yeah, they're letting you know that they handled it. They're letting you know that they handled it in house. That hey, give a J. Brown the football. You're gonna need to give a J. Brown the football if you're gonna win this whole thing.

True, I mean Saquon Barkley, but yeah.

No doubt, you're right, you're right.

But if you're if you're twelve and two, is a ball club, like you should be the energy should be higher than ever this point December, everyone's getting Christmas gifts. The quarterbacks auditioned out to everybody. Something big, something big, and right now it's just you're right, it doesn't feel like it. And I don't know if we were just over dissecting clips, you Cinciriani like the was it the.

U the d lion coach, the line coach. He was like, hey, no, big Dom gets himself in back there, like it's a security is always finding Yeah, it's just always finding a moment to get in that camera angle.

It's a while, it's it's a wild situation. Hopefully they can just hold it together for another month and a half.

Yeah, because they have a they have a Jalen Carter out there just yeah popping dudes mid play said that, I mean I'd be dead with that hit to the head. Wait, what is this Jaylen Carter when he's in the middle of play, rushing the passer and he just fucking pops? Who was it? No, it wasn't talking about Miles Garrett. You almost played they played the Steelers, Your Eagles played the Steelers.

Just popped up with Miles Garrett yeah, yeahs off lineman.

Miles Garrett is an edgdresher for the Cleveland Brown. Yes, she has nothing to do with this topic. That is right, and I'm gonna walk in on the Yeah.

You're right, you're a little off to that. You said it.

I'll lock in with the Lucy one day, locking with a Lucy.

Get diald in, diald in.

Miles Garrett did rip his helmet off in a like really weird play.

Yeah, he got injured.

But that's different than what you guys that were.

Talking about, right, JHN Carter's out the assaulting dudes mid play on the field, which again that that violent team of the Eagles. I low key love to see it.

Do they have the best vibe right now with everyone doing the celebration after every good play, even wide receivers getting up, Yeah, first down couper Dijon Cooper.

I don't know what it is to look it up. I might be too occasion to understand that, but that is kind of a nice thing.

Yeah, let's hope that team has that vibe and continuity going.

Because you think about the Eagles, you think Kelsey, Kelsey retires huge leadership. Then on the other side of the ball. You have Brandon Graham who comes back for his fifteenth season. You think he's going to retire. He ends up tearing a peck he he he sustains an injury. Maybe it is a tricp or something. It was upper body injury. So now you have two major leaders in the Eagles organizations that are now now you think these are gonna

It might be we think that way. It's just funny anytime you see a Syrian because I'm just thinking, man, this is the head coach, and it's like they're always just patting him on the head, like hey, relax, relax.

God do you imagine if got padded like that?

Oh? I mean that's the thing though, like the Rabel ain't getting treated like again. I don't want to say too much because Sirianna can be a great he could, he could be a great guy.

The show could be absolutely love to have him on the show.

Someday.

Yeah, talk about it. Hey, are you respected? Yeah, that's that's the question.

Yeah.

But the NFC is the most interesting playoff picture there is because with the AFC, it's like you just got to think the Chiefs are gonna do it again.

No, yeah, Bills are the team.

If if the Bills would have just lost the regular season game against the Chiefs, I would agree with you.

Do you think the Bills are wop the Chiefs? I think so too. It's like if you watch the Chiefs Browns, even the moments that the Chiefs have the opportunity to step on their throat and really just outscore, they haven't scored over over thirty points the entire year, over thirty points. That's that correct. The Bills have scored thirty points in like six straight and they beat the Chiefs. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just the opportunity to step on a team like

Man, Just when's he gonna learn? Just win? Is he gonna learn? I do love the Bills. I love Josh Allen. I love the way that team's operating. The hype video from Detroit, Detroit versus the Bills. You see ahih video on Twitter. It was like a back and forth about two cities.

And the teams talking, yeah, campbelling, and it just it just fires you up.

Yeah, because there's not a lot going up there. Buffalo was there for a wedding back in twenty twenty fifteen.

Not a lot going.

They got the bills, That's what they got.

They got the bills with cheese, which is disgusting. But in the uh, in the Eagles game, to t J Watt, do we know how bad that injury is with him? It looks like a foot right, you lose t J Watt, it is over for the Steelers, you.

Do is he is so? He is so incredible.

You know that entire game He's sitting next to fucking Max too. God, he was ready to kill somebody. But NFC West, t J.

Watt's injury not long term, probably good for the playoffs at least. Yeah, I mean he's he's He's a Watt dude. He'll be back. He'll have the dear Antler spray, He'll have all the things he needs to get done. To get back on whatever it takes, whatever it takes legally, legally, it never got popped for a drug test like me. They he will be back on the field.

He'll be smart about it.

Yeah, he'll have that BPC whatever, the new version of BPC one. Yeah, I think that they done. You're talking about.

AFC West, the NFC West, NFC West once again wide open. Seahawks had a big opportunity to beat the Packers and remain the top dog there and again the Cardinals win against the Patriots. That like that division between the Rams, the Cardinals, the forty nine Ers, and the Seahawks is wide open, and I have no clue who's gonna come out on top. I really don't.

Yeah, it's it's sad, but I think the forty nine Ers are not the team that's gonna come out on top of that.

You say that, but you just never fucking know.

You never know.

I think is the Rams or the Seahawks. But again with the Niners, you never know because that staff, they they still got the guys every by something about they're injured or this or that, like they could just for whatever reason come alive.

Yeah, basically, the Niners have to win the last three games of the season just to make it in. And they do the linebacker saying he's not gonna play. What's the kid's name? I say, his kid like a kid, like he's like not three years younger than me, but like that. That is insane to say you're not going to play football game acainst your feelings are hurt.

Have you ever heard of that? No? I haven't.

No, you've heard about guys going in the locker room at halftime. They're twelve year vets. They say, hey, it's not in I don't have it anymore. To me, it's like, hey, you just play the last thirty minutes and then retire after the game. But to say you're just not going to play a game because Greenlaw comes back from an achilles injury, he's just staying in the Super Bowl, and they, hey, we gotta get this guy back on the field. We're gonna get him reps. He's a starter, he's a Pro Bowl,

And it's just not understood. And who knows if there was drama going on before the game started with their situation inside the linebacker room, but again and not being understood before he even straps up like he's dressed to go play. It's like, yo, if you're you're the team needs you. Yeah, And what sucks is Devandre. He's a

That team there's a main story, and there's a bunch of micro stories and those micro stories or the individual story that you're playing out yourself. When he is out of the league ten years from now and he's sitting at his house, I'm sure he's made all the money in the world. He's going to sit back and think about this moment, and if he thought about it without any bias towards himself, he's going to know that he

It's like ultimately your feeding the bad wolf. Yeah, the story the good the bad wolf on your shoulders, and he made a selfish decision, and again it's like we can talk about football, but everybody, it's like everybody zoomed in on their own situation. No matter what, you can't control certain things like outside of yourself, like you can't help that the coaches want to go with green Law

To me, it's even simpler of it's your job, like you you're paid to do this and if you're healthy, you have to do it. In the real person world, it's like you can't show up and they actually think them out and then get it's like taking the if he doesn't love football like some of the guys do, taking the chaining Crowder outlook on it like, yeah, it's like working at Walgreens. I show up, I do my job,

Just looking from that angle too, it's like you're you're getting paid to sit, You're getting paid to wear a uniform that get to wear, Like that's that's crazy. You just got to be able to zoom out.

Man.

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Yeah, Like, what do you do in that situation?

I'm playing? Like, if I think back on any of my own experiences, here's a situation in twenty seventeen where I was pissed when we ended up getting and I've told this story before, where we get Zach Brown, All Pro Bowl linebacker. He becomes a starter. Whether I think it's political, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, he was the starter. So the entire year, I'm a backup.

I remember definitely not the guy who in.

It, but I remember being so pissed off, like going to the linebacker. I go to talk to Coach Ko about it, and I'm like fuming. I'm mad that I'm finding out in a special teams meeting that like, hey, Will, You're gonna be all on all four. I think they're gonna be wrong with Spate. And I'm thinking to myself, like, why am I finding out right now in a special teams meeting? Then I'm not going to be the guy get the reps. And again I was tight and I

Yeah.

So that's an experience I think about when I think about this Devondre Campbell is because again, it's like you can piss him on all you want, but the moment you go out there, you quit on your team or you play poorly, you're just proving everybody else right that they made the right that they made the right call to go with a guy who's itching the comeback, ready to come back, who's rady to sacrifice for the team

Shows how much you cared about the team. I had a situation it was like twenty nineteen, no, twenty eighteen. I think we're playing the Saints, and it was like

All right? Should we hit who's over there with them? Do we have somebody over there with them so you can finish out this intro? J Rod and Coop?

Okay, let's do Yeah, JP, want't you go over there? Since the ties, Let's hit these ads real quick.

Huh yeah, I just.

Want to text me or what do you want to do?

You want to just you do a little shoutout, no free shout out. I can, I canploy a little bit of our I I do have a shout out, no free shot out.

I do as well.

And it's the syringe for medicine for little kids. Rue was sick over the weekend and it was a battle getting medicine down. She never wanted to do it and ultimately got to the point to where I'm pissed off and I'm like, hey, I'm gonna hold you down if you don't take this medicine. I'm talking, I'm trying to give her. We're trying to give her cookies. We're trying to talk about cookies and I we're trying to talk about all these things to get her like, hey, just

Do the easy way, to do the hard ways.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And ultimately I'm I'm having hold her arms and screaming. Yeah. And so I wrote that tweet. I feel like I'm like waterboarding my daughter and you feel bad. So she's like and then you kind of you kind of look over and you start kind of like you start chuckling in a little bit because he just realizes.

And it tastes good.

That's a crazy thing. I'm like this, I'm like, heydad is gonna tast something too, And I'm like, oh, these tastes like sweet, yeah, this this tastes fine, like rude, Just take the medicine.

It's like getting a dog medicine. Dude. You shay like ground by the mouth real quick, shove in the back of their throat and like close their mouth and blow on their nose.

And this all my pushing too, urs. She's kind of choking a little bit, like listen, all right, here, takes some water, all right? Round two? Right, yeah, yeah, just a little bit like a little.

Four six hours. We got to reboot this thing and get it done.

Dude.

How about kids when they're flailing and it's kind of like if you really thought about it, you're thinking yourself, you're doing everything you can to get out of this, and it's not even hard for me.

Yeah, little kids are man, I know.

And also, dude, my children when they throw temper tantrums, they always have a way of finding my testicles. They always figure out how to fucking flail those feet, dude, and they're just fucking hitting those things every time. My four year olds just tripping about something the other day and I like picked up like sweetie, relaxed, like no legs start going crazy. She was like put a little like body bag to things for a minute. I'm like, how the fuck, how do you hit that.

It is funny how upset they getting it internally like pisses you off and away. You're like, all right, we're about to find out. You're about to really find out about your dad and his ship. And I'm thinking I am a psycho for thinking this way, dude. Yeah, two years old. I'm like, all right, all right, you're testing me. You want to go? You want to shout at the title right now?

A little early to make that call, but I guess I'll I'll let you have one. Yeah, yeah, dude, the message shout out the syringes. So what is a good thing?

Yeah, there's the ones where you can like, uh, you can pull it up and just having a syringe so that way you're not like trying to get them to take it from a spoon or have him drink it. You just get to be fauzzle, like bite their teeth and not try to not let you execute it whatsoever. I'm like holding her, holding her jaw and cheek, and I'm like, all right, here we go, and you feel terrible. It hurts you way worse than it hurts them. Yeah.

After after all done, they kind of like relax, like eating some cheerios, watching a show or something like that, and you walk up, You're like, hey, you want to talk about what happened out there, but they've completely moved on, like and then I'm like.

You did it, you did it. Yeah, yeah, you did it.

Here's some water that is awesome. My shadow in her free shout out goes to Christmas Magic. And my wife started a tradition. It is such a pain in the ass that she started this tradition, but she does these things the first December all the way to Christmas. She has this thing called Christmas Magic, and she bought this little like house type of thing and it has these little drawers that has twenty five little drawers.

And yeah, yeah.

You kind of like that. And she tailor handwrites riddles and ties a bow on them and when she puts it in there, the light turns on of the little house, so the kids know that the Christmas Magic is here. And it can be a whole bunch of different things, like it was making ornaments one day, it was finding a bunch of toys you don't use anymore, We're gonna

Yeah, what's the movie?

I'm asking you?

The Christmas vacation?

That is correct?

Sir?

Nice get pulled, good, pull, I get worried about you.

And it comes to the movie. I know I worried about myself.

But uh yeah, dude, Christmas magic. She literally handwrites these riddles and just total all time. Mom move. These kids are going to grow up and they love it. And my daughter, my seven year old win.

She is like.

Full full Santa mode right now. She's fully in to the belief, all of it so much so to why I'm getting to the point I'm like, I felt so guilty.

I'm kind of just lying her. You need me to make a call.

No, you will never get that call again.

Hey, don't win the bat or you will not get Christmas presents.

Dude.

That was when are you gonna be a good little girl? Now? No more pe in the bed? Or Santa will not come?

Is he really not gonna come? No, no, he's he's Sata was telling a joke. I

No?

was thinking of myself, a.

Bed, go to bed? Will? What the fuck was that? Don't you want to stop missing the bed?

Dude?

That was so funny? How old is ru?

Then?

That was was that last year? Two years ago?

That was like two years ago before?

Yeah, right before?

We don't yeah we did, yeah, we didn't have one yet.

God, I would love to hear Will do that call now, because you know, Will would be like, hi, sweetie, how are you like just understand You're like, hey, I'm not in the middle hole for it. No, it was just like fucking playing yay, don't do that ship that You're not gonna get anything.

I've been pee in the bed, dude.

Did you how about the video I sent you a win.

Yeah, it's a funny video, dude.

I gotta show you guys this video. So when done this new thing where she like spies on me and my wife? And I said something because I said something the other day man, while I was walking and I was like, fucking something, and she's like, Dad, why are you always saying fucking and like perfect pronunciation exactly the way I say it, And dude, my wife and I I just trying not to laugh at this thing. I was like, oh, no, we're talking about ducks. Mom was like, yeah,

And then you hear you hear tailing going into let's get more information. She's like, well, how how long you've been hearing that? She's like like three years from dad.

Hey. The wild thing too, is is when she said to Dad, I just pointed out tailing, hoping my point might have enough energy to take her over to tailor to like take over that. But yeah, dude, she didn't say it though. Like we had the little moment.

She said to y'all, I've been hearing this word. I've been hearing this word for three years now.

Yeah, dude, I was how long you've been hearing that?

Like three years?

Bro? And I just literally I was like video. I was like videotaping it and I had to send it to Will and He's just sending like a bunch of hogs. I'm thinking of myself. Am I bad?

Dad? Not of those moments you're like, damn kids, hear everything, bro, everything everything.

That did unlock a memory of I remember, like spying on my parents from other rooms. Yeah, I truly remember that, like sitting like you go to.

Bed, they're up in the living room talking. You want to know all the conversations, all the conversations.

You can't even hear it sometimes, but you're just like sitting there and you're watching them interact and then they're like.

A hear him talking about you, Oh yeah in school or something.

Oh yeah, bro, breaking news.

David Montgomery out and definitely mcl injury. Probably done for the whole school. Lions might be folding.

Fuck man, dude.

If there's a man that can do it's dead cure a culture that can do it, it's damn.

I hate that, bro, because they've been having a fucking year man, and they've just been They've been getting hit with the injuries lately. That sucks, man.

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Should we dive into John Gruden?

Let's dive into John Gruden?

Dude, dude, he was How awesome is he?

The story? The twisted question? You would have thought he knew the twisted question before we even get into him him just his voice to hearing on Monday Night football for nine years and having him call a couple of your games and like being excited that he's just a legend.

And seeing that look in his eye. We just know he's passionate about football. He just loves it.

Man.

It's between a stroke and like a one sixty bpm you know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, it's beautiful. He's always teetering like is it too much coffee? Is a little something extra? What is it? But it's really just the game. Yeah, Well let me tell you something.

Yeah. Yeah.

And the way he talks to good coach, what.

Do you say talking about throwing the ball out of the end zone on a hell Mary, Yeah, guys are worried about you don't guys, what do you think it is?

I don't know, coach, that's what.

Like the head coach calls on you in a meeting and you just for whatever, Yeah, your buttthole or no clue, no clue. You guys are gonna love this episode.

Look at that answer episode.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode US with was very special guest with us. Today, we have a legend of Clay High School, a legend of Dayton Dayton College quarterback. We have a super Bowl winning coach, mister John Jrudin. Hey, brother, we are excited to have you on.

Man.

Obviously we just had you in the locker room. That show has already come out. But your passion, your love for football, and you never know some of these personalities you see. I remember watching you with like the draft experience, and watching you get up with players and having quarterbacks talk about it, and you got that look in your eyes like you do right now having them draw things up. But you truly, you truly love, eat, and breathe football. Where did that passion start?

Yeah?

I do.

That's why I love being here with you guys. My dad was a coach. My dad coached at Indiana, he coached at Notre Dane, he coached with the Buccaneers. So I kind of grew up going to the locker rooms idolizing players, wanting to be a coach. I played at Dayton, I wasn't very good. My high school is no longer around. They closed the door, so I don't have any I don't have any tapes to show you or approve what

How much of a learning curve was it? Like getting around your old man and when you were getting integrated into coaching, just understanding the work that goes into coaching football,

I mean, I was lucky because my dad knew people, and I was able to get started, probably ahead of some other guys would And I got started at Tennessee the Volunteers. They were in a sugar bowl. We beat Venni Testaverdi. So I got around Walt Harris, a great offensive coach. And I was lucky, man, because when you're around people that know the game in side and out, that can set the tone and put you on a routine and you try to accumulate knowledge every day and

Man, hit the big time. All your accomplishments has got to be top five when you UH coach for your graduate assistant right for the Tennessee Volunteers. Do you hold any love for the Volunteers?

Now?

Are you a fan of the balls? All the places you coached at, do you like still hold it near?

Oh?

God, I love Tennessee. I met my wife there. My wife cheered at Tennessee.

I was a jeerleader.

My wife was dating Johnny Major's son, Johnny Major's legendary coach at Tennessee. She's dating coach major son, and they broke up and I went in for the kill man. But uh, I absolutely loved Knoxville, Tennessee. Love the volunteers. We have property up in the Smoky Mountains Severeville, near Dollywood, and we go back a lot. We just love it. Who were in the playoffs too?

Who are your college teams in Tennessee and Indiana? Are those of the well?

My dad coach at Indiana Notre Dame. I coached at Tennessee, University of Pacific. Who dropped football now Southeast Missouri State, University of Pittsburgh.

You were at Simo Yeah one year?

No shit, Cape Girardo Man, Yeah, bro.

I get a little nervous. I saw when I saw Dayton on the Wikipedia playing college football there, I was sticking them. I wonder if he has any love for Ohio State. But it seems like you just stay in the Indiana category.

Home.

Yeah, pretty much. I mean I loved my experience growing up in Ohio. My dad coached at Dayton, made a lot of connections there. What a staff he was on at Dayton. John McVay, who became the forty nine ers GM was the head coach. But most of my ties or places i've coached, those are the things I can remember the most.

Yeah, what is your What do you think about this barstool barstool media world?

Yeah, man, it's totally different. You know, I never had a Twitter page, I never had anything. I don't know anything about social media. I used to give everybody a hard time about doing it. Now I'm taking selfies, you know, with George Brett in the airport. I mean, it's it's really awkward and different.

It's a wild game. Even even when we finish the locker room, you're like, hey, put your helmet on, let me yell at you.

Yeah, get cameras.

It seems like you're diving in the game quickly.

I'm trying. And I got some great guys, as you know, the guys that run the place, Dave Portnoy. These guys are interesting, man, They're really creative. To put it mildly, I got to go on the golfing thing with Frankie and Trent. We had some people come down of my office last weekend and I'm I'm I'm anxious to see what is going to unfold, But I just want to do good. I want to be part of the team and try to find my role.

You if you're not producing, so I said, I said.

Give me, get me out of here. I got my I got a couple of things I'm getting better at. And this is all part of the seasoning process. Hanging around with you two guys. You know, I'll steal some ideas from you. This is a hell of a setup, man. It's it's about, you know, on the truth, having some fun, making some people laugh and making them think outside the box a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like getting to have this, like you know, we were talking about it, either on the locker room or outside of it. What you miss the most is the camaraderie. You missed the locker room. Yeah, Unfortunately, we get to have people on like yourself, players that are currently playing ex players to where you still kind of get that feeling that ball busting and having fun having some laughs because you do. You just you missed the locker room so much.

When it's over, Oh, it's it's what you what you can't duplicate, but you guys are doing a pretty good job of it, you know, just giving guys shit. That's what I tried to do every day. I tried to stir the pot.

Man.

I'd come in there one day and try to make you guys laugh, and I'd go to any extreme measure I had to go to make you laugh too, because sometimes you guys are grouchy bastards every day, no doubt, you know they need Yeah, you gotta make them laugh. And then the next day I might try to fire you up, Hey, lu let's you know, you know, and then the next day you might really try to piss them off, like I might really try to piss Will compident.

So you got seven shapes of smoke. When you're coming in to.

Get well, you just don't want to just install twenty two Hank and here's you know, here's eighteen Bob. After a while, you know, you get a little bit bored. You got to try to make it fun and you try to stimulate your guys, and I think that's when they play their best.

Who's the best pot starring coach you've been around?

Ray Rhodes. Ray Rhodes was the head coach of the Eagles when I was the offensive coordinator. He was a secondary coach of the forty nine ers when it all started for me. He had Ronnie Lott. He had a great group back there. He was a combination of Richard Pryor. He was a comedian and he was a great technician, a great technical football guy. But he would create analogies. He would speak in analogies that were awesome, and he used those analogies in his teaching methods. Ray Rhodes was phenomenal.

What about motivator?

Yeah, motivation? Motivation. Uh, I'd be a hard one. I'd have to think about that for a minute. But I've been around some good ones. About you, who's the best motivator you've been around?

But I mean, Bo Polini was a hell of a motivator, I bet dude. Honestly, Like I've told Taylor this, I don't know if I've said it on the bus, but you are a hell of a motivator. I mean when you're what was that When I came out there, it was like my seventh year and you're a veteran, You're coming out midyear, and usually like when you're a VET and you've you've had some years in the league, you've heard everybody speak, you've heard all the speeches and everything else.

Your brother was more of a matter of fact, yeah, but expressing to you like the keys to the game. But in a way they were like fuck af we just.

Do these three four things we're going to And the night before a game, when he'd start running a highlight table, like you tell us they're talking about us this way, they're talking about us that way. Tell me we can't block on the edge, Tell me we can't make plays in space, tell me we're not You know all those different things they get that would get you fired up. Your brother, he was more of a he was more of a comedian.

Yeah.

He would take some like rap lyrics or song lyrics and bring it out and we'd like have fun. Jay's awesome.

You know a lot of times, let's the assistant coaches. I remember when I was in Tampa. We all know Mike Tomlin now is the head coach. He's a great motivator. You should hear him in the room with his secondary guys. When I was coaching for the Bucks. He was a great motive. But Rond Barber, John Lynch, he had those guys frothing at the mouth. Rod Marinelli, our d line coach, Yeah, was phenomenal. Some of my really you know, bad words

Massacia Casatia is good.

I think you try to hire guys that can handle their players. I hate assistant coaches that come into your Hey, we Taylor Duwan was three minutes late. Hey, Will Compton wasn't paying attention in the meeting room. We get them to pay attention. You know, that's your job, you know what I mean. I like coaches that can run the show and really get these guys charged up in their in their own individual worlds.

Yeah, when it came to coaching and you're talking about like one day you would try to make guys laugh, then motivate, then piss them off. What like, how did you learn that I need to go about these different ways to motivate different players? Like, was that something you knew right away as a coach by watching your dad or is that something you gained over time?

Well, pretty much you're not when you're the head coach. You're not just motivating the left tackle going into a team meeting to motivate the quarterback or the wide receiver. You're trying to get everybody on a common thread. Everybody's got to see this together. And you know, I just think the more camaraderie you can generate the better chance you have. It's a long season, and I think it's it's important to laugh at each other, you know, get guys up there, have them talk for a minute or

When now talk about talk about you pivoting throughout your career because the game is a lot different now you're busting our balls. You guys are much more sensitive these days. We had we had Mike Alstott on the bus and he's talking about how soft the league is now, Like, how have you had to kind of adapt your philosophies over time?

Yeah, I mean I did Monday night football for nine years and during those nine years I got away from the players associate. How practices have changed. You know, you can't hit the quarterback below the leg. A lot of different rules have come in. Players safety big issue, but the big thing is coming back and coaching. You have to adapt to the rules, but you still have to

Well know, we were talking about the transfer and the NI on the last episode of Busting with the Boys, how it's it's got to be so difficult as a college coach to go up to a player and be like, these are the things you need to work on, and be a little bit harder on them, a little more tough love on them, because it was like, I'm just

Just said the thing I think is the key ingredient in being a pro football player. It's mental toughness. I don't care where you go, what round, or who you play for. You're gonna get your ass knocked off in the NFL and the media is gonna jump on you. That's just the reality of it. And if you don't have mental toughness to lean on, you're out. You're gonna be gone early. But I worry about the state of college football what we're doing. I mean, these guys are

It's hortally the playoff, like the portal's open. Now it's like these teams are going to try and make a push to win a national title, and you got guys kind of flirting with the next girl. Yeah, that's crazy.

It's got to be just because when Will and I were in college, it was you pick a school, You're at that school for four years. If you want to transfer, you to sit out for a year and lose a year of eligibility. So there's a lot of risk if you want to make it that dramatic of a change. So you either, you know, buy in or get the

The worst one would be just knowing a guy's bitching about the situation and you're trying to go, like win a football game.

Yeah, it's like, brother, we're trying to win this game. That's all matters. And Will and I are a big drink the kool aid guys like we when we were playing our sport on our team, it was like living and breathing and dying for that team.

I really didn't want our scouts to bring in a lot of players that were transferred players, guys that quit at Michigan and went to Notre Dame and went from the I wanted guys that were finishers, that started and finished the job, signed up and executed their mission. Now you're gonna have to adapt to that philosophy. You're gonna have to take some guys that are bouncing around. But I've met with some of these kids that have entered the portal, and a lot of it has to do

And if you never had money before, it's hard to look at seven hundred thousand dollars and say no, I'm gonna hold out and wait. Yeah, there's another train of thought too. It's like, if you've been broke your whole life, what's being broke a couple more years and being a part of something special. Yeah, that's kind of the selling point.

Yeah, they just need to find a way to not make it free agency all year round.

Yeah, because the coach all recruit.

You're already recruit your ass off to get the next guys in, but you got to recruit your ass off for the guys that are there, and then these portal situations and opportunities open up, like while you're in the middle of a season. So I just feel like something, there's got to be a solution that's gonna come.

Well, you guys come from the big time. You guys come from Nebraska, Michigan.

I played at Dayton.

You know I got friends at coach in the Mid American Conference. This picture yourself at Toledo or Western Michigan or Kent State. You're coaching your ass off. You find these players that aren't five star players, that are maybe one star players. You feed them, you develop them, and as they become all conference players in the Mid American League, sophomores or juniors. Here comes Nebraska, here comes Michigan. You take all my players, man, and you pay them, and

The friends and coaches that you know and have are they is like some of their philosophy just recruiting guys about hey, you can be this could be a stepping zone. I'll get you to the next league.

Yeah, I mean recruiting now is it's a totally different deal. You got some guy walking in your office that's managing Hey, I got Taylor Luwe and Will Compton. This guy's represent you to guys and he's telling me, Hey, if you want Luwan and Compton, you got to pay him this and pay him that. And if you pay me, I'll make sure you get these two guys. So now you're dealing out. You're dealing with a lot of variables that has nothing to do with football, and it's a problem.

It's a problem. That's a good point.

Did you tweet something yesterday about agency king twenty percent?

Yeah, Look, there's there are agencies and I mean you were with CAA, Like, there's agencies where you get like in the NFL, it's bigger contracts, bigger money to where you're paying them one to three percent. And then if you have like a marketing rep, there's there's like a ten to twenty percent cut that they take if they were to get your twist the tea or body armor, you know what I mean to be like in a commercial.

On that was really fucking well. I mean that was well said right there.

I mean think about it, like, you know, coach Norvale, he's with Colorado State, he was kind of talking on it. But coaches can't speak on it too much because you don't know all the legality is going on. You're in with the nil collective, like they have their own stories and drama. Coaches understand what their situation is. Players understand what their situation. It's just it's fucking bizarre right now.

And as a coach, as a college coach, your whole thing with these young players is eighteen to twenty two year olds is all about limiting distractions. And when we were you know, oh now I was nine to thirteen, you were eight to twelve. Yeah, when you're there in college, then it's it's a game of like limiting distractions with alcohol, with assholes and women like that. Those are the those

I just I just hate the money hungry.

It makes it interesting, really interesting. Man is sitting here looking at you two guys on this bus. Man, I mean I've known you guys as players, and I've seen you guys on this bus. And to think that you guys have turned this into I mean an unbelievable deal. I mean, you guys are killing it.

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I just I hate to interrupt you guys and change subjects, but this nil kind of rubbs me wrong. But you know, success on the field is one thing, but transition in Like, I just for all the young guys out there, can you just tell me how you transition into this thing right here and have created and reinvented yourselves here. This is pretty freaking cool man.

Yeah, if you want to take the first part of that, yea, because it's a story We've told a lot on the bus.

But it is just cool.

But a lot of players, you know, they get out of football, they kind of search for their next game, their next thing. How did you guys do this?

Yeah? I speaking for myself. I feel like I was in I was in year six with the Tennessee Titans, and you know, Coach, like when I got to play for you, like I cut my teeth into the league with your brother at Washington. And in my situation, if I'm a backup and a special teams guy, I don't want anybody to get hurt. But if I'm gonna get my opportunity. You know, you're gonna need the guy to go down in front of you and then hey, I

Yeah, And it's it's interesting because you kind of see, like Will and I's pass how different they were entering the NFL. Because when I got a scholarship offer in Scottsdale, Arizona for the first time, it's from Utah State. Right then and there, I thought to myself, I'm going to the NFL. Like that is now my my path of

Guys take a couple of video games in there at home. It's like you're coming in.

Yeah, just coming, come and rip in a podcast. And it turned into this and it couldn't have happened at a better time. I remember I bought so the house I live in now. I bought the land and I was building and Will and I walking around the property and it was right, it was like right before the season or right after the season, and it Will was like, this is my last year. I don't want to do it again. I played that game with him for three more years. Every year it was this is my last year.

We go into our stool.

We got a barstool early and often, which you're gonna come to find out, is like the greatest teacher in this world. It's it's that gives you the ability to be yourself unapologetically be yourself the good and the bad, and be everyone be like, that's all right, You're a part of barstool. You can do whatever you want here. And so it is. It's interesting how it all turned out, and you just kind of look back and you're like, it's kind of fucking crazy. Like in my mind, I'm

And I have read safety chemistry too.

Yeah, I mean it's beautiful.

Like when you signed the big deal, there's a part in my brain I'm like, well, the team won't be able to touch him because he's the highest paid player on their team. Hey, if I play myself out, I'm just not going to get a phone call again. Yeah, it's like, fuck it.

Let's just we knew we had three years of guarantee.

To do what we want to.

End up working out.

Yeah, ended up working out for it, ends up calling and I go out to I go out to Oakland, Yeah, but you've.

Bale a lot of transition too when you were going from the NFL into commentating, Like a lot of coaches try to do that. A lot of coaches try to dip their toe into the media space. But you came in and you murdered it. The ability to know what every player's callers they went to, and their mascot and you just talk about guys if you've known them for twenty years. How did how was that transition for you from going from coaching to media.

Well, I was a communications major in college. I always wanted to do the news. I always wanted to be a sportscaster. Really, if I wasn't going to coach. Oh, excuse me if you want to answer that.

To dude, you gotta do yet.

You kind of want to take that, don't you.

No, I'm sorry I didn't turn it off. But Mike Tariko was the key for me. I mean, I got I got fired. I was really humbled. I was really down, and the NFL network called me and asked me to come to the Combine and do some segments covering the combine. Steve mary Yucci's a friend of mine, says, come on, So I got right up to the combine, I said, I can't do it. I was just humiliated. I didn't want to go to the combine and see all my coaching friends after just being fired. I was embarrassed. So

Yeah, talk about how hard it was, the transition. You're talking about being embarrassed and humiliated. You are like a you were like a super Bowl winning coach and you were somebody who got traded.

Yeah, well that was hard too. But you know, when you get fired, you guys know it is you're eventually even you got cut, it's it. Maybe you decided yourself, but maybe you saw the writing on the wall. At some point somebody says, yeah, you're fired, and it catches you. But when I did go back, it was it was a lot different. The world had completely changed. What's really hard is hiring a coaching staff. When you're the head coach, the most important thing you got to do is hire

When you are picking out those coaches, you're talking about your buddies. How hard is it to get a phone call from a guy that you may have known for a long time, that you know is not the right person for the job. What's that conversation?

Law man? It's hard, you know. You got to say I'm going in another direction, and you lose some friends. It's hard to have a lot of friends, you know. Sometimes you got to turn a guy down. You can't do it. You got a job open, Hey, I need the job. I don't have a job. I need this job, and you got to let them down and sometimes it costs you. But there's a lot of hard lessons and mental toughness that you gotta understand come with being the head coach.

Yeah, when you were in media for those nine years, was the goal always to get back in the NFL and be a coach.

It was initially I thought I'd be right back in doing something right. But the more I got around Tarrico and Jaworski and the Dun Dun Dunt dah. I mean I love that song, man, Yeah, And there was a certain as a kid growing up, I love Monday Night Football. My mom and dad would let me stay up to watch the highlights at halftime, Howard Cosell and Frank Gifford. I felt honored to be on Monday Night Football, but I ultimately knew I had to get back on the sidelines.

Man, Are you hoping to get back on the sideline?

Well, I mean, you know fantasy. I live in fantasy world a little bit. I'm no different than I was when I was eighteen years old. You know, I fantasize about stuff, and I still fantasize about getting a can of whoop ass and going out there with a bunch of guys and just kicking a shit out of some boy. I just like that competitive game day feeling. I just know you can't get that anywhere else.

Man, the butterflies, the juice. We were a smelling salt guy.

No I've never did that. I never had to do that.

The smelling salts were always It just adds that level of anxiety to a whole new fun level. But dude, when the Jets fired for their head coach, I think it was was it Booger came out and he's like, one name you need to think about right now is John Gruden. And for the last couple of years, your name wasn't really thrown around the whole coaching realm, and all of a sudden, your name is now starting to

Just a few conversations, you know. I think the big thing I'm trying to do right now is coach people that I have the FFCA, I have a you have an office, I have my own I got my video tapes, and I'm obsessed with it. We have a lot of coaches, a lot of players. Uh, just different coaching staffs that have come in and we study football, and I really am getting my fix doing that. I really don't need this nil stuff. I would I would give me a heart attack.

Would you coach college?

You know I might if it was a big program with a lot of nil money, because I'd buy a lot of players, and I guarantee I could walk across when we play Nebraska. You know what I'd do after the game, I'd go find the two or three guys that aren't playing a lot that I like. I'd say, you know what, you got to get your ass out of here, come play. I would do a good job of that. I can see my snake. But now I'm wired. I just I just am not wired. Like they're doing

But that's just me.

When you see a guy like Bill Belichick with the resume that he has, looking at UNC. Is it confirmed now? Is he now the Tar Hills head coach?

He's willing to coach at the time we're recording this. The post that I saw was like the North Carolina Tar Hills they would know their decision within twenty four hours.

With Bill Belichick coaching now in college? Like, what's your thought process? Seeing that?

I'm not really shocked as many people are. I think he's got a son who's a very good young coach. The opportunity to maybe bring your son with you at Chapel Hill, Chapel You guys have been.

At Chapel Hill.

There's a lot of good stuff there. Man to go to Chapel Hill, you know, finish your coaching career with your son. Perhaps get the program back to where people say, wow, we got to play North Carolina and maybe someday have your son take over. Maybe that's something that's in the cards. I don't know. But he's got a new girlfriend. I see that all over the internet. Things don't ever stay

I know, I was impressed how well he's done in the media this year. I did not think you heard, like Gronkowski and Edelman and Brady kind of like chirp about to talk about how bland he is and how he's kind of.

Have to see it for fifteen years.

Yeah, got to see it, just kind of talking to the media. Now he comes in, he's doing Manning cast, he's on Pat McAfee show, and he does an incredible job. Did you expect that?

No?

I really didn't. But as I said, I I don't know Bill Belichick like a lot of guys do. I don't hang around with the defensive guys. The offensive guys get on this bus. The defensive guys have always been on that bus. But I remember when I was coaching the Raiders, I got a call from Bill and he says, hey, I heard you like bon Jovi. My wife loves we love bon Jovi. I go, yeah, we really do. Like he's playing in San Jose Saturday night. You want to meet him and get two tickets? I say, hell yeah.

Yeah, you talk about you have this football facility in Tampa. What does your week look like like? When do you wake up? How is your routine on a day to day? Yeah?

I got to have a routine, you know, Monday through Sunday. I have to have a routine. I always did as a coach. But Monday, I really like to go in there and look for my grinders, studying and looking at the Sunday the games, the statistics, the playtime percentages, who did what? My tapes really come in Tuesday morning. So Monday I'm kind of you know, getting my boards ready. You know, who really played well in third down? Who had the best scoring game? I want to see those games.

Ball, Yeah, what time? Been waking up throughout the week.

I get up early, four thirty five o'clock, not like I used to. But my office is right down the street, half a mile from my house.

So let me just pause you for a second. You said four to thirty five o'clock, now like I used to. What did you used to get up?

I see up three o'clock three seventeen every day. Three seventeen was my number?

Really? Yeah?

What time would you go to bed?

I go to bed early. I go to bed at nine thirty ten o'clock. I try to be in bed by ten ten, ten o'clock the latest.

Said ten ten. That is that's wild?

What is that? What are the hours look like when you are the head coach? Are you there till midnight and waking up it? No?

I could never do it at night. And I didn't want my coaches to feel like they had to come in at three o'clock or four o'clock. I didn't want them to feel like that at all. But I had to get in there early. Nobody bothering you, nobody's bitching, nobody's phones ringing. I had to focus my concentration on the scripts, you know, the cards you got to draw, the cards, the tip sheets for the quarterbacks and you know, I try to get out when the work is done.

Now.

When I worked for the Raiders, Al Davis was a night guy, so I would be a morning guy and Al would come in at seven o'clock at night. He almost killed me that first year. Finally I said, hey, something's got to give, man.

I just can't.

I can't stay in here till midnight. But that was a tough year. My Al broke me in pretty good man.

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Let's get back to this episode, man, I want to talk about I want to talk about the time you recruited me to come back to the Raiders. Yeah, if you can remember, I'll recall it a little bit. So I was there the last five games for Oakland. We had fun, like we weren't having the best season, went out on a decent note defensively, and Coach Groom brings me in for an exit meeting, you know, not like the nil exit meetings where it's like, hey, you gotta

Coach Green's like I need Will Compton back, Like you're not going to be a Hall of Famer, You're not gonna be a pro bowler. I'm sitting there in my head like I mean I'm still playing, and like, yeah, I understand I can't be a I probably won't be a pro bowler, but I can still aspire myself a little bit.

Of juice and still could be a pro bowler.

Thought that right, right right, He's like, I want you around. We need more. Will Compton's on the team, and I don't know what's gonna happen in free agency, YadA, YadA, YadA, because I got to play and start like three games there at the end, which I'm thinking in my head when I went out there and I did my workout, I was on the squad, I was in the backup, all was special teams. I was starting in base that fucking first week. Right, Coach grew comes up. He's like, hey,

Yeah, a lot guaranteed money is what he wanted.

Yeah, everyone does.

Every player does.

What I'm gonna interest it in, though, is I have this philosophy. It's called RCEE. You should get a hat and put RCEE on it. Recognition Communication execution. I think you got to have it at quarterback. The guy's got to recognize the defense and then communicate the lion call, the audible whatever, And that's gonna lead to high levels

You know.

Vegas.

Yeah, that was the first year transferring, transitioning to Vegas because they had offered I had a minimum on the table with no signing bonus, which is like the games, the game. There was no market for me. So they were in a spot to where it's like, I mean, nothing else is out there for you. We'll offer you this, And you know, I got PG calling me. He's like explaining everything, he's like, and Coach Grud's like, I just want you around. I want to see you. I want

Yeah, you had some characters in that Raiders team. What was your interactions like with Richie Incognito? Love him, great guy.

Incognito is out of football, he had the episode with Miami. He's out of the league, and we brought him in for a workout and we have the Cones set up. We got Tom Cable, really good line coach been with Seattle a long time. And Incognito comes out and he's listening to Tom Cable tell him what he wants him to do. He wants him to hop basically the first ten yards Karaoka, do a couple other things just to showcase his athleticism and his you know, his whatever. How

You did it. How was it?

What was it like having Perfect and Ab on the same team, Because obviously there's a whole thing about CTESPN that AB's doing and you see that hit, that perfect put on ab like was there ever? Did you have to make amends there?

I never got around Antonio enough. You know, Antonio showed up on a hot air balloon. He had his feet fried, he had cryo therapy. I never even heard of croywd therapy. And he had an issue with his helmet. He wasn't happy the NFL wouldn't let him wear his helmet. So we really never got him around the guys very much. I didn't have very much interaction with him at all. Really, one of the most frustrating things in my coaching career was not getting him to play for us. We had

What's the conversation with Mayok when they're like you like, hey, what's the problem with ab And they're like, doesn't like his helmet? His feet were fried from CROWFD therapy. What are those upstairs conversations like when you're trying to deal with a guy like that.

Well, Mike was a new GM too, so a lot of this stuff is his first time and experience.

It was.

It was a rough deal and you're on hard knocks. Then he got vontez Berfeckt. But the two of those guys, they they mixed pretty good. They kind of laughed with one another, and Richie was kind of like the third part of the party. Those conversations were great. How you talk about busting with the boys, you should see some of the boys I bust with. But I I always felt this, if you have football character on your team,

We gotta find that song.

Sure will definitely find that thing before day's end.

And even on Incognito too, like he was he was how old was he? He was like the oldest player of fours and he was a pro. I'm talking about like whenever practice with any at the massage therapists, I'd be coming in the needle and he'd begin done like somebody who like took care of his body around the clock.

And working out with him in Arizona. He is a guy that like doesn't necessarily look like an athlete, but is truly athletic, Like he has all the pieces of an office line you would want.

He's stout too, Incognito, Yeah, I mean, we remember the COVID where you can't have meetings with the players in person, so we would have zoom meetings, so you would see all the players on their little corner. You'd be having an offensive line meeting and you'd see the fifteen offensive line. You have a team meeting, and you could see a lot of the faces. So I remember Incognito one time I took all his clothes off, was walking around in his garage. You know, he just did things that were

Killer man.

Yeah, he has an aged a bit that face.

You got to see him hit a golf ball.

He can play. He's an athlete. Is he is an athlete?

Man, He's the wrong person to get on the bad side with the football field. He was one of those dudes that was a menace on just field goal. I was trying to finish you on field Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Yeah, man, I wouldn't want to wouldn't want to deal with that.

You want to get him going to hopefully you draw a penalty.

I wish I was able to play with him. I would I would have loved to play. I think that he was with Buffalo for a minute. There was a little bit of talk about him coming to the Titans, and I was like, man, that'd be awesome to play right next to him for a year.

Aggreation this you you played, You played one of the toughest positions. There are, man who who are some of the guys now that play left tackle that you look at and say, he's really good? Who are they?

These days?

It's easy to say Trent Williams, he's not playing right now.

Yeah, Well, Trent to me is I think is the greatest of all time. I think he is from an athletic standpoint, from a strength standpoint understanding, because with the offensive line, like you're playing every single snap of the game and they say to go hard every single play. He is a true understanding of like, if you're the backside on power and you're doing a hinge like you you have a very easy job. You take care of the big gap, you wing out, the end's coming down,

They got a guy in Tampa. I really like this, Tristan Wurfs.

Oh my god, yeah, Tristan.

He's a power player.

Have you seen have you seen the video and he was coming out for the drafts jumping out of the pool.

Who can do that?

That that type of power is just different. And then we talked about him too. Is Joe al I like Joe Alt quite a bit too, Like a young guy who's found his way on a run heavy offense that I'm a big fan.

Of and embracing the move. The right tackle. Yeah, because you're talking about that, like you know some guys that he was telling you at the draft he didn't want to play.

Yeah, that is that's incredible. It's wild how Iowa gets these offensive lineman, man, I.

Know, and then white cornerbacks.

Yeah, the uh and then Micah Beckton was it Mikeah Beckton, That's who we were talking about.

Mackay beck the left tackle. He's out of Louisville. He he you know, he goes to New York and the media gets on him and they let him go, and he gets with the right coach and reinvents them, puts him in there right guard.

It's it's really important for these the position groups at all times. I'm sure it's important for everywhere, but for an offensive line coach, especially because you got DB's and they're all like, they're not playing as one unit. They all have their own jobs. So might being zoned. So might be a man you're playing two high, one high, and then receivers. You have all your different routes. But with an offensive line, it's like, truly all five guys

Oh my god, that's that's probably the most important higher. Yeah, if you're the head coach, your defensive coordinator, and your line coach, you know you got to you gotta get somebody that can be the sixth man that can play both guards and center, a swing tackle. Those are tough jobs. Man.

What were those conversations like with the swing guys when you're saying you have a guy like me, was a guy that only played left I couldn't you put me in a right handed stance. I'm as worth as the football player as you'll ever see.

Well, I think the good line coach, Well, you're the left tackle. You're you're the highest paid left tack. We're not going to talk about you for a minute. But other guys on the practice field. Bill Callahan was my line coach for a long time. He's currently with the Titans. Yeah, Son's the head coach. But he would go out on the practice field and we'd have Lwan playing right guard. I'm like, Bill, what the hell are you doing?

You know?

And then we got Luwan's playing right tackle two days later. But my point is he would create your versatility. He would force you to get in a right handed stance, a left handed stance, a two point stance, a four point stance. And I think you have to have a line coach and a backup line coach who studies a play side the backside. It's always on your ass every second of the day. Those are what the great ones do,

Rabel was always a guy that would just find his way into the offensive line room and it would just tell us how to block. I having no idea how to block offensive line. He just like just getting away all you have to do. You don't just position block this guy. Were you ever a guy that would just wander into position groups and just hang out for a little bit.

Not really. I was pretty much always on the offensive side, you know, but I would try to reach out to the defensive guys later in the week. I always had a lot of respect for our past rushers. You know, we have to have a fourth quarter pass rush or we got no chance That's why I can't wait to see these playoffs Warren sapp Simme and Rice. You have to have guys that can close you out. And that's why I love the forty nine ers if Bosa plays.

Yeah.

That's why the Chiefs can win the Super Bowl every year because they do have a great coach and a great quarterback.

But they got a.

Fourth quarter pass rush man. Yeah, and if you have those three, you have to have those three elements I think to win it. But I was always interested in the game plan of our past rushers. What are you gonna do to Luan? You know, what are you gonna do to Luwan? But as you know, you don't want to be in third and seven. You don't want to have a lot of third days, you know. And when you do get the third and seven, you gotta be careful as a play caller to make sure we have

You got You've either got to chip these guys, slide to the most dangerous pass rusher, or have a quarterback that can facilitate and get the ball out quickly. That was one thing. We had Ken Wizzen Hunt for twenty fourteen and fifteen, and Ken was like, this is my offense, but he's been dealing with Philip rivers for the last ten years. So we have Jake Locker and Zach Mettenberger. Eventually, after Jake hurts his thumb and it's all key right

Andrew Luck? We had Andrew Luck on our show, Gruden's QB camp and David Shaw, the head coach of Stanford, was on my staff in Philly and in Oakland. Well, Stanford runs a lot of Spider two why banana? And I have never met a quarterback coming out of college like Andrew Luck. I mean he had everything six four two forty, he could run and probably the smartest guy I've ever met play the position. So they're running Spider

Pops.

You might hit the tight end of the corner. You never throw the ball backside on Spider two white banana. Well, Andrew Luck on Spider two wiye Banana against USC throws a pick six, throwing to the backside. He called it a lightning route or something. So as soon as I got to that play, his face got red as a sheet and we busted his balls on that. Yeah, and it just kind of went viral whatever the word is. You guys use you know when something hits with fans, But it was. It was a cool moment and ever

Spider two wive Bananas or two. Who are some of the teams right now that are kind of in the middle of the pack that you could see winning the whole thing.

I think Pittsburgh and Baltimore, I think someone's gonna come out of the you know, I still think I still think Pittsburgh's dangerous. I mean, they're leading their division, but when you look at their schedule them in Baltimore, I kind of consider them as the middle of the pack in the AFC's a that's a tough question for me. I really think there's five or six teams that have a chance to win it. I think there's about twenty teams that are getting ready for next year.

Yeah, what do you What is your view of the landscape of football right now? The quality of the product.

I just think continuity is a big part of winning. When you look at Andy Reid, He's been there, He's done that. He's been in Kansas City, Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh, John Harbaugh and Baltimore. Dan Campbell's been in Detroit, Shanahan. You know. I like the teams that are in the money every year. It just seems to me like have been together the Philadelphia Eagles, Syrian he's been there now a few years. I just think there's a lot of

Man.

I don't care what round, but when you came back as your second year in the same system, that's when you probably showed your most improvement. But when you keep pulling a rug out of you players, and here's a new snap count, here's a new system, it's a it's a hard deal to get better, don't you think?

Yeah, absolutely, you're on that like level one learning curve in that first year, and then again when you go into years two, year three, you're looking at them details. You're thinking outside the box. You're trying to think more like a coordinator than just your own position. You're thinking about everywhere, everybody else around you have everything moves around you. But yeah, when it's a new system, it's like you just want to understand, like what your job is.

You understand, right, you understand the bigger picture going into year two as opposed to just your your assignment for your play calling? Was it always the same? Did you always keep the same numbers? You say, ninety six power spider two wide it inage? You always have the same terminol and phrases going from year to year? Did you ever try to switch it.

Up a little bit?

I took a lot of pride in the verbage I learned under Bill Walsh with the forty nine ers, Mike Congrin, we had a lot of words and we became very worthy. But when I was out of football and I came back, we realized that a lot of these players, you know, we got to we got to tighten up our communication so we can pick up a player off the waiver wire, make a trade whatever, and bring you in and fast track you. You don't have time to learn all these crazy

You know.

I like multiple looks. If the defense hasn't seen it, they can't prepare for it. It's an illusion of sophistication or just simple and basic plays that start off looking the same that are different. You know, there's some common threads in philosophy I think that you got to have if you're going to be any good at it.

How much football. Do you feel like you forgot when you were in media for nine years? Terminologies your playbook.

I probably didn't much, just because I have my own computer at home, and when I watch the first play of the game, I type in the formation A lot of times, I even type in the front. So now you save your work and I can come back and be my own quality control guy. It's a sick obsessed world of football I live in, and that's why it's kind of cool to get out of it. And it's almost like I'm out of prison or something. I mean, I'm playing golf with these guys and there's a drone

Man. What can people expect with you at barstool? It seems like you bring back the Gruden football camp.

We're going to try to bring back Gruden's QB camp and it won't be the same. It'll be it'll have a little different spice to it. But this Dave Portnoy guy, he's something else. And this big Cat guy, I really like this Big Cat. Yeah, I'm just getting to know them. And I got hired really week eight of the season. So it's hard to just create a show and come on, I mean, you're going to have to put a little

Oh yeah, bro, you're the top of a rocket ship. Like barstool has a way of making you more known than ever.

Yeah, how'd those conversations go? They've just hit you up like, Hey, I'm gonna.

I got a I got a message on one of those uh you know, I don't know Twitter, tiktoks or whatever. Yeah, my son Mike, who wrote the song Nicy, he's my music man. He says, Hey, Dad, Dave Portnoy reached out to you. So, to make a long story short, my wife was in a ballroom dancing contest in Orlando and Dave flew in to see me and we just had

Right your Gruden loves football content. I mean since day one,

Yeah, but you know, when you break a game down. What I wanted to do with that is try to take fans into a little bit of the reality of what we go through one hundred percent. If it's the Chargers in the Bucks, Let's start with top of line things you might want to know. I'm here's the injury list right, Here's where they rank statistically, Here's how they play on the road. I mean, there's a lot of things that you got to get your mind straight on

You.

Screw me, man, you gave me all this information.

I remember coming to Taylor, I'm like, hey, have you seen this Grudenless football show. I'm like, bro, he runs it like he's low key, like running a team meeting at the top of a week.

It's incredible, the breakdown of everything. Have you noticed how easy it is to overthink things because it's like you can break down all the film you want, but they're like, all right, who's gonna win? And you're like, well, this team and they're like, well know their defense is this and that. Have you have you ran into that where it's like you get into a point of overthinking it a little bit.

You can easily overthink it. And I tell you there are some games. Now I'm not a big gambling guy. I'll be honest with you. There are some games I've learned to stay away from. Got no idea what's going to happen in this game, And there are certain games. As I told you guys earlier, I'm going in on this game, you know. And I don't pick the spreads. I would never picked the spreads. And I know you don't make as much money when you pick the money line they call it, but you pick a team to win.

You got a little barley.

Yeah, I'm learning. Anyways, I'm I'm I'm learning and I'm loving it. And this is really cool, this operation. I would not have expected anything less from you two guys. And I tell you, I don't know where you guys are going with the future. There's a lot of rumors about where you two guys are heading.

Hopefully all yeah, hopefully nice chatter.

It is very nice.

I gotta I got a couple of fun questions for you written up our boys, Sherman the back.

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Back the episode, Let's say you're running a fantasy football league, but the teams are made up of only coaches. Which coach are you drafting first?

First overall pick?

I take Andy Reid. Is Andy Reid. He can call the plays and he can coach the quarterback. Man.

That's a good pick. Yes, everybody's gonna fault you there. If you could only watch one NFL game on repeat for the rest of your life, which game are you one NFL game?

It would be the millennium game Raiders versus Chiefs. The calendar just kicked over to two thousand. I was in my second year coaching the Raiders. I was going to get fired. We were seven and eight. We're playing at the Chiefs. All the Chiefs need to do is win this game. Beat the Raiders, who they beaten one hundred times in a row and they win the division, get a home playoff game. We're down seventeen zip after about six minutes and this place is rocking. Man, my boy

Game of the year.

Hey, just he knew it off the top too.

We busted him, good man. I was dancing on the field. Probably saved my job that day too.

Yeah.

Yeah, guy's got to be a great feeling and go home, crack up in a nice drink.

What what's your favorite memory on the grid iron? Just get one.

Twenty nineteen playoffs AFC Divisional Round against the Baltimore Ravens. They were the one seed. We had to win five of six just to make it into the playoffs. We play against the New England Patriots and the dynasty for Tom Brady was his last game as a Patriot, and we go in against the Ravens. It was Lamar Jackson's first MVP in Baltimore. The Bank was as loud of a stadium as I've ever heard of my entire life.

And we owned him.

Like I that is my favorite game from a blocking standpoint. Ever, they had eight guys in the box from ran Wanda, which is open side outside zone, and we blocked him and Derek ran it for like forty yards. It just felt like everything we did it was we were gonna get at least four yards.

Guy, he's sitting up like.

It was awesome.

We had a turnover. We had a turnover in that game. I think Jeroe Casey got a strip stripsack fumble that was picked up by Harold Landry. That player on like the forty six yard line going in and we call Lucy x pile on y x pile on post and it's Kleief Raymond. He's like four or five yards past the dB and we score a touch on the next play and it's just like that cool, We're gonna beat the That's just thanks.

See.

That's the one thing I've learned about being in social media is I like to discover like great plays. I like to go back and show you some of the memories of other players. I have tape in my office of Lawrence Taylor. I got Eric Dickerson ronning with that high form. But you can't show you can't really show the video. You don't have rights to the video to use all the time you see, So you gotta, you know, you gotta creative find ways to make your point. But I would love to see that game.

It's awesome.

Here's yeah.

I can go on all day by that game. That game was awesome. The blocking was incredible. We had five guys doing everything right every single play. It was unbelievable.

It's hard to think about mine. I feel like it's more you just get pissed off that you lost, like when we lost the Green Bay in the walladcard round when we ended up winning the division. Probably the most fun game and most fun memories when we clinched the division at Philly right around Christmas, went out there. That was the dad game, my only career sack on Sam Bradford.

What was the least favorite game ever?

Good question?

The tuck rule was bad.

Oh, I don't know. I forgot that. I forgot the Yeah, because there he did walk through, you know, take it at his facility and he goes in the bathroom on the shitter and he's got the photo sitting up and it's the tuck rule photo.

You know, we played the AFC Championship game when I was coaching the Raiders against Baltimore, and I don't know if you remember, but Sarah Gousa killed our quarterback. We don't get a personal file, we don't get anything. It really pissed me off in that game too. But the tuck rule, you know, instant replay is designed to only overturn a play. That's completely what obvious right to lose

That's what They don't.

Even have the rule anymore.

That's how bad it is.

God the biggest rival coach out there. We're just like, I want to get his ass. Whether you guys went back and forth to.

Or they had to be Andy. You know, had to be Andy Reid, you know, because we were on the same staff. We're on Mike Holmgrean's staff in Green Bay. You guys love this. So Andy played for Mike Holmgren at BYU, so he was kind of the teacher's pet,

Gain Yeah.

So Andy would get a play in the game plan. It would be called and he gains six yards or a gain eight yards and Andy walk around the office all week. I guess, bitch, So now we're not playing good. We just signed Reggie White in free agency, we got we got Brett Farr playing again, we got Sterling Sharp, we got a hell of the team, and we're not playing it. We're like two and three and people are starting to get on Holmegren's ass a little bit. You know what I mean, what's wrong with you guys? So

Is that what your problem is? You don't want to run?

He was on my ass, like yelling at me. My fuck. So we go play the Bears on Halloween night. You can go back and watch this game.

Now.

It's pouring down rain, the worst night in the history of football. Third and two. Early in the game home, Grin calls red left fake Fox three naked right full back slide. I swear to god, Brett Favre kept it. Runs it in longest touchdown run of his career thirty six yards on Monday Night football. I'm on the sidelines. I'm not saying anything, but I'm like, God damn, that's my play.

So listen late, this is true.

Late in the game, we just need a first down of games over and it's like third and fourteen, and I had seen Dan Marino running all go with a little search route. The guy acted like he was running a scene, but he would throw his shoulders down and uncover. And I put that play in and Sterling Sharp ran it better than Mark Clayton, and Mark duper ever ran it far up through it like a twenty three yard game to icy game. That's my plate too. So we

Hell of a job.

I turn around. I walked back to my seat. I see Andy Reid and I go game ball.

I love competing with Ady Reid.

And then when we competed against each other and he was in Philly, I was in Oakland or Kansas City. I mean, I just used to love seeing them. And I love you Christmas and God bless you.

Man.

If I can ever do anything, if I ever come back and coach, you'll be my left tackle.

Let's fucking go.

You have a bad You're not getting.

A guaranteed contract, though you're getting.

A ship it.

You're getting a minimum salary benefit. And no one said it, but you coach for you. I gotta have a left tackle.

I love it.

Before before you go, I do want to play a game of crystal ball with you. Okay, Of all the coaching positions that might be open this year, it might be the Dallas Cowboys. We know the Jets, we know the Bears. Where do you think you would fit in best?

Oh?

I have no idea that puts me on the spot.

Yeah, you're right, that's a tough one. We'll cut it. Guess what cut Hey appreciate you coming on, man.

I do think the Bears with that young quarterback is interesting.

You know.

I like their defense too. Man, have you seen him play? I got some guys on Edwards. I mean, he's a hell of a player. They got some linebackers that can run. When they lost Jakwan Brisker, they lost a key member of that secondary, but they got corners. They do have some pass rushers. They got some receivers.

Man.

Yeah, they got a quarterback. I like this kid.

Man, got you a.

Nice Minnesota might look out on Monday night.

These guys.

This quarterback is interesting, man. I love It's got me feeling nicey.

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Twisted question. You are down? You were down a point two seconds left. It's fourth and twenty from the thirty five yard line. But your kicker broke his foot. What's the play call? Shit?

Thanks a lot. I'll go tandem right seventy six rebound pass. I'll throw a hail Mary up there. I'll isolate my best receiver. If they play one on one over there, I'll throw it to him. If not, I'll take I'll pop it up into the end zone.

Touchdown.

Love it because you ever see guys throw hail mary's in the ball lands off the field of play. I want to make this point before I leave. Have you ever seen this shit where the I'm talking to hail mary okay, and the ball lands off of the field of play. Have you ever seen that?

Yes?

You asked, yes, Why do you think that is?

They're scared?

Why do you think it is?

It's the QB.

Rating man, They don't want to throw interceptions.

Oh, you think it's an ego thing.

I know it is. It has to be. These are the greatest passers in the world. You mean to tell me on a hail Mary, you can't put the ball on the field to play. Seriously, you can throw the ball in that tight window that big, you can sizzle it in there off platform into a window that big, but on the last play of the game, you can't keep the ball on the playing field. Let me tell you. When you see that, you know you're dealing with somebody that's interested in his QB rating. I keep an eye

Man, I love that knowledge. Yeah, I love knowledge.

I love the take. Coach.

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