In this 10th episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we’re recapping the first nine episodes by connecting the dots between Costco, Starbucks, In-N-Out, Taylor Swift, Aveda, Olaplex, Trader Joe’s, Drybar, and Target. From warehouse giants to pop icons, these brands might look different, but the fundamentals that build or break trust are universal. In this special recap episode, we’re unpacking a few of the biggest lessons that keep showing up across every brand story, and how they apply directly to ...
Jul 10, 2025•26 min
Drybar didn’t invent the blowout, but they turned it into a brand with a crystal-clear promise: No cuts. No color. Just blowouts. Drybar built a business and brand on simplicity, consistency, and solving one real and relevant problem for busy people who wanted beautiful hair without the hassle. But as Drybar grew, fast and wide, the cracks began to show. Ownership and leadership changes, selling off both the salon and hair care brands to two different owners, inconsistent experiences, and a chao...
Jul 03, 2025•38 min
Olaplex didn’t just create a product, it created a category. It provided stylists a new language around hair health and made the salon pro, at every level, feel more confident, understood, and seen. But as the brand scaled and shifted toward the consumer market, something got lost: connection and community. In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we explore how one of the most iconic and beloved brands in pro beauty lost its focus, fumbled the moment trust was most at risk, and what every sa...
Jun 26, 2025•32 min
We're off this week, so please enjoy an encore of the first episode of BUILDING & BREAKING in case you missed it. Be back next week with a new episode! In the premiere episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, Nina dives deep into one of the greatest brand loyalty stories of our time: Costco. Through personal reflections as a newer Costco member (yet longtime studier of the brand) and decades of experience in brand strategy, Nina unpacks why Costco continues to build lasting trust, while other bra...
Jun 19, 2025•28 min
This week, we’re driving straight into the In-N-Out experience, a brand that’s never chased trends, but instead chose clarity, consistency, and connection. No chicken sandwiches. No seasonal drops. Just a focused menu, a powerful brand promise, and systems that deliver, over and over again. In This Episode: Why In-N-Out’s brand promise is embedded into every experience The power of a simplified menu (and what it teaches us about over-complicated service menus and product lines) How consistency b...
Jun 12, 2025•27 min
Trader Joe’s isn’t just about $3.99 flowers or dark chocolate peanut butter cups, it’s a masterclass in brand clarity and alignment. In this episode, we break down how every decision they make, from no delivery to no self-checkout to no coupons, is driven by their brand story (which includes brand promises), and why it keeps us coming back (even with those chaotic parking lots). Because brand clarity isn’t a constraint, it’s freedom. In this episode: Why Trader Joe’s brand story is so clear and ...
Jun 05, 2025•27 min
In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, Nina unpacks Starbucks: the iconic brand that built its success on human connection and consistent experience, and what happens every time it drifts away from that brand promise. From Howard Schultz’s bold 2008 shutdown all U.S. stores to reconnect with the baristas and Starbucks experience, to this year’s decision to cut 30% of the menu, Starbucks follows a familiar pattern: build, overcomplicate, break trust, and then attempt to refocus on their bran...
May 29, 2025•27 min
In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, Nina breaks down one of the most iconic personal brands in the world, Taylor Swift. This isn’t a fangirl episode (though Nina is a Swiftie, duh). This is about a personal brand and consistent leadership, grounded in brand clarity, emotional connection, and healthy boundaries. From how Taylor speaks the language of her audience to how she uses storytelling to build trust and community, this episode explores the exact strategy behind her global impact. Y...
May 22, 2025•32 min
In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING , Nina breaks down Target’s trust crisis, not as a political conversation, but as a brand case study. Why did loyal shoppers like Nina, who went to Target every week, walk away? What lessons can salon owners, hairstylists, creative entrepreneurs, and beauty brands learn about lifetime customer (and client) value, consistency, and the cost of making decisions that are totally off-brand? Nina contrasts Target’s missteps with Costco’s long-game brand clari...
May 15, 2025•27 min
In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we’re diving deep into the legendary story of Aveda: how it rose to beloved icon status, what fueled its global success, and how it lost its way. Nina Kovner, former beauty brand VP, educator, and lifelong observer of Aveda’s rise and evolution, breaks down the brand’s rise under Horst Rechelbacher’s visionary leadership, its pioneering of nature-powered beauty, wellness, and the groundbreaking experience design that set it apart. We dive into how Aved...
May 08, 2025•38 min
In the premiere episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, Nina dives deep into one of the greatest brand loyalty stories of our time: Costco. Through personal reflections as a newer Costco member (yet longtime studier of the brand) and decades of experience in brand strategy, Nina unpacks why Costco continues to build lasting trust, while other brands seem to be breaking it. This episode breaks down the fundamentals behind Costco’s success: their unwavering commitment to lifetime customer value, keepi...
May 01, 2025•28 min
Why I’m Ending the PEOPLE PASSION PURPOSE Podcast—and Starting a New One That You Absolutely Need To Hear In this final episode, I share why I’m closing this podcast and what’s next: Building & Breaking with Nina L. Kovner, a new show about how brands are built, how trust is broken, and what it all means for salon owners, beauty brands, and creatives. It’s the end of one story, and the start of something deeper. Thank you for being here, whether you've been a listener since 2018, or are just...
Apr 22, 2025•18 min
Originally aired January 31, 2024 In this episode, Nina shares some thoughts about the 'everyone is slow' narrative being shared on the salon industry socials. The fact is, not everyone is slow, busy, sad, happy, or anything. This is another example of black-and-white thinking, coupled with remembering the algorithms can be deceiving and distracting. Nina also shares insights on some key areas of your salon business to look at when things slow down and you don't know why, starting with having cl...
Dec 22, 2024•27 min
Originally Aired May 1, 2024 In this episode, Nina revisits a conversation around our collective loss of perspective as an industry thanks to the algorithms on social media feeding into our fears and insecurities by amplifying the most enraging pieces of content. Remember, your content is your marketing, and what you choose to engage with online has a direct impact on your salon business and brand. And when you choose to engage, you are feeding these ridiculous narratives about our industry and ...
Dec 15, 2024•21 min
Originally aired January 3, 2024 In this episode, Nina proclaims 2024 to be the year of perspective for the salon industry. One viral TiKTok or some comments from random strangers on the Internet is not fact, or truth. The algorithms are designed to feed off our enragement and discourse. Because of that, we are collectively losing perspective around how different salon businesses and models work, how salons make decisions aligned with their brands, and how salons grow. Whether it be overcorrecti...
Dec 12, 2024•42 min
In this episode, Nina shares a reminder that sometimes it's best to keep the snark in the group chat. Whether it's the latest Calico Hair trend, or things some salon clients do that give you the ick, you need to remember that your salon brand content is your marketing, and everything you post, share, like and comment on can be seen by your current salon clients and potential future clients. Jokes are fun, however, they do not always land well with salon clients, and could create a crack in the t...
Oct 22, 2024•12 min
In this super imperfect episode, Nina shares a raw and real look at finding a new rhythm after a big move to Park City, Utah. Whether it's pumping gas for the first time in six years, getting into someone else's black Subaru Outback, to working in a super rad coworking space after working from home for the last twelve years, there is nothing clean or perfect about learning new things and finding new rhythms. In fact, it most times is messy and frustrating, and also magical, and empowering. Wheth...
Oct 15, 2024•11 min
In this episode, we welcome a VERY special guest, David Thurston, owner of Butterfly Loft Salon and founder and CEO of Danger Jones. David shares his journey into the salon industry, his insightful and inspiring stories about taking risks, and how Butterfly Circus created a monumental shift in the salon industry, building community and the power of independent education. David also shares his recent ventures, including a music documentary and vision for the Danger Jones brand. David also reflect...
Aug 18, 2024•39 min
In this episode, Nina revisits 'your content is your marketing', emphasizing the importance of creating content that aligns with your specific salon brand and audience. There is a big difference between marketing for local salon clients versus marketing as industry influencers, and to be effective, content needs to be relatable and valuable to your specific audience to build trust, relationships, and ultimately, a local salon clientele. We also talk about the Olympics, duh, and how inspiring it ...
Aug 04, 2024•14 min
In this episode, we welcome Amanda Harsche, an independent stylist, educator, and content creator from Denver, Colorado to the pod. Amanda shares her journey to becoming a hairdresser, despite initial resistance from her parents, how she built a salon clientele in a small town, authenticity and simplicity in creating content, and her unwavering commitment to making hair education accessible to all. We talk about Amanda’s struggles with mental health, her incredible milestone of achieving six mon...
Jul 28, 2024•27 min
In this episode, Nina dives into how salons can grow without depending solely on social media. We talk about the importance of understanding how different marketing strategies fit different types of businesses, like not confusing influencer and content creator marketing strategies with your local salon business marketing strategies. We discuss the fundamentals of new client engagement and existing client retention strategies, optimizing review and referral platforms, post-experience texts, email...
Jul 21, 2024•20 min
In this episode, Nina welcomes back Brenda Amaral, owner of Gwen Mireille Salon & Spa in Raynham, Massachusetts, and founder of True Hair Education. Brenda shares her journey transitioning from booth renter to an employment-based salon owner, emphasizing the importance of overcoming fears and regrets. She speaks about her early challenges in leadership and the significance of having mentors. Our conversation dives into True Hair Education's mission of providing unbranded, fundamental hair co...
Jul 14, 2024•41 min
In this episode, Nina shares some thoughts about creative slumps in content creation including a process to work through your slump. We talk about the importance of genuine connections and the struggle with passive content consumption, the difference between creating content for marketing your business and influencers who create content as a business, and the need for a periodic reset to find inspiration, value, and back into your rhythm. We also touch on the importance of seeking context in the...
Jul 03, 2024•21 min
In this episode, Nina welcomes Sean Paisant, Owner of Entrust Hair in Portland, Oregon, and seasoned haircutting educator. Sean shares his journey of building, leading, and growing Entrust Hair over the past 14 years, the origins of Entrust, the shift from an employment-based to a lease-based salon model, the importance of focusing on community and connection between clients and other hairdressers in the salon, and valuable insights into building a loyal clientele through offline word-of-mouth a...
Jun 19, 2024•34 min
Originally aired January, 31, 2024 In this episode, Nina shares some thoughts about the 'everyone is slow' narrative being shared on the salon industry socials. The fact is, not everyone is slow, busy, sad, happy, or anything. This is another example of black-and-white thinking, coupled with remembering the algorithms can be deceiving and distracting. Nina also shares insights on some key areas of your salon business to look at when things slow down and you don't know why starting with having cl...
Jun 12, 2024•27 min
In this episode, Nina welcomes back Stacey Rackham, leader and owner of Mint Hair Crafting Salon in Ferndale, Michigan. They dive right into Stacey's new concept, Melt, which focuses on scalp care and head spa experiences inspired by Japanese wellness techniques. Stacey discusses her journey of creating the Melt head spa experience, the challenges faced, and the overwhelmingly positive feedback from salon guests and her team. We talk about how Mint Hair Crafting builds new guest relationships th...
Jun 05, 2024•30 min
In this episode, Nina revisits the January 2024 episode on perspective for the salon industry, and reflects on significant global and consumer trends impacting the salon industry from 2023 to 2024, emphasizing the importance of providing care, building trust, and creating value for salon clients. We dive into topics ranging from customer psychology and economic factors to specific salon industry trends such as the skinification of hair. Nina highlights the need for businesses to adapt to consume...
May 29, 2024•34 min
In this episode, Danielle Green, the owner, and creator of Radically Curly Salon, an employment based salon in Las Vegas returns to the pod. We discuss Danielle's recent move to a large salon from a quad salon suite, to accommodate her growing clientele and team. Danielle shares the journey and motivations behind creating the Radically Curly Salon brand, which focuses on celebrating all natural textures of hair. Danielle also discusses her wisdom and insights from the build-out of the new Radica...
May 22, 2024•31 min
In this episode Nina dives deeper into a recent Reel they shared on the connection between your salon brand, your salon experiences, and your salon prices. When your prices are aligned with the experience you deliver, and you’re attracting salon clients who see value in the experience for the price, you are good. When your salon prices are out of alignment with the experience you deliver, that's where you may struggle. We also talk about the importance of context when absorbing content on the so...
May 15, 2024•15 min
In this episode, Nina sits down with Kristen Peckich, the owner of La Pomponnee Salon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. We discuss Kristen's 32 years as the owner and leader of an employment-based salon, her unusually low turnover of team members and clients, her salon leadership philosophy, lessons learned, and transitioning from working behind the chair into a full time leadership position. We also talk about Kristen’s most impactful marketing strategies focusing on client care and how Kristen prac...
May 08, 2024•29 min
