721. Efrat Shokef

Expand something in order to bring resolution to something. There are so many reasons And then we compromise and we know we would go to a family that is maybe partially functioning Or will be challenging for us because of that soul connection And then there is also that piece of us choosing the potential I notice it a lot with spiritually or children They're so trusting as essence Before incarnating or anything they're trusting

So they're trusting that they would offer the invitation to the parents and their parents would just show up and become what they can be And everything will be smooth But then they come to earth and they find that those parents that they trusted at the essence level Are not walking their potential and not just that they are not walking their potential that they've been so wounded in this lifetime or recreated

And enlarged increased the wounding that they brought from other lifetimes. So instead of solving things along until those kids came Trouble became bigger and then they have very confused parents and those parents are Not showing up to that potential that they hoped for and then things escalate and a child that maybe Asked to play a little bit with their power becomes a bully and

In a lot of situations. It's not a choice to become a bully But a choice to experiment with the effect of power and you can experience with the effect of power in many ways And another aspect that goes into those Decision and it is something that souls are as if aware when making those choices But they're not aware most of those even incriminating again and again and again to my experience to my understanding don't really understand how harsh human life can become

I look at a lot of families that I worked with amazing choices in parents and they show up and they do their best, but they're also living in a society and They have to earn a living so they have to send their kids to school

They don't have the privilege like I do that. I was working from home so I could anyway have my I could shift into or many countries don't even allow homeschooling and the kids go to school and things get confused because that soul human child team is struggling between being who they are and doing their journey and then also adjusting and being like others and

For many especially against those spiritually aware ones being like others. They didn't come here to be like others So it's an inner conflict But if the parents show up and become their essence then they can better guide their children But it's a really complex weaving of the tapestry that most souls are living is very different from the one day imagined, hoped, planned for. And what we can do is in between try to decrease the gap. And every

little decrease that brings the parent or the child to walk a little bit more of themselves is a new join, because it ripples to everyone around. Energetically, it's an energetic communication. I hope I'm making sense. No, you are. I'm thinking about it as you're speaking.

I'm thinking about examples also as you're speaking. I interviewed this guy named Christian Sonberg, whom you may have heard of, who at a fairly late age, like 29 or something, suddenly remembered his whole existence prior to birth. And he remembered this whole sequence where he had chosen to take birth as a human being because he was so impressed with some soul he met on the other side who had recently come from Earth and they seemed so voluminous and wise from what they'd learned.

And then once he was in the womb, he thought, "Oh my God, what did I sign up for?" And he claims that he aborted himself. And then they gave him another chance after a whole lot of preparation, and he almost did it again, but then he went through with it. But I've heard other stories like that, where people choose to incarnate on earth, and then they think, "Whoa, this place is a lot rougher than I anticipated.

Get me out of here!" You know, just even in the really positive, nourishing, soft scenario, just being a huge Solar being evolved wise knowing and you have to be in that warm wound Stuck in a low body For some time some joins the human baby the fetus earlier some join a little later You're stuck there and then you have to go through the birth tunnel in order to be birthed And you really need to be here want to be here in order to go through that phase even in the good scenarios

you know, when everything is just fine and the mom is loving and relaxed and nourished.

It's very hard to be relaxed when you have another kid at home or when you're living hectic life. It's a difficult process. It's a really huge choice of each of us to come here. We come here for a reason. And the learnings, the gift that we bring ourselves, Earth, other planets, and get from them. It's a mutual communication and gifting and interaction. It's huge. It's really, really significant. But you really need to want to come here. And I don't think any of us

understand when we plan a journey, and it's all going to be fine. And then life, reality, human life. And even when we walk consciously aware, and become choice makers and commit and surrender to our journey. There is confusion around us and it's a difficult, challenging, blessed, also blessed, but challenging journey. Yeah, it's kind of like you think, oh, it would be awesome to climb Mount Everest and then you're at 20,000 feet in a snowstorm and you think, what

did I do this for? But then you reach the top or you even don't reach the top, you reach almost like the camp that is closest, or whatever you manage to. And you go back down and you take a deep breath and say, "Oh, I learned this and this and this and this. This climb was worth it." Rick Yeah, I've heard it said, you know, I mean, who knows, but a teacher of mine once said, "The angels are jealous of humans." And they're wanting

to sign up to have the human experience because there's such evolutionary potential here. It might might be a difficult lesson, a difficult schoolhouse, but it's one that has tremendous evolutionary value and potential. I agree with evolutionary potential when we show up for the journey because a lot of souls and humans are going through life and not doing what they came here to do, lost in the confusion. I've never met an angel or high guidance and beings that were envious of us.

I often feel that they don't understand how challenging and confusing it can be here. They're very compassionate, they're very understanding, they're very supportive. I don't think they want to exchange places. Yeah, you can have it, right. But I believe others that may have experienced this interactions and received such messages. It's fascinating. I know in my own case, I was born into a difficult family. My father was

very traumatized by World War II and he was an alcoholic and verbally abusive. My mother ended up trying to commit suicide three times and spent most of my adolescence in and out of mental hospitals. And then it kind of dawned on me at the age of about 18 that spirituality was a thing and I learned to meditate and things started getting a lot better. And I look back to the years prior

to that and I think, "Boy, was I lost." But I felt like there was kind of a seed planted prior to my birth that when I finally heard the word "enlightenment," somebody was reading a book and it was like a bell going off and I think, "Whoa, that's a thing. I need that." Whereas

somebody else might not have had any reaction to hearing it. But I just say that to illustrate that, yeah, we might come in with the best of intentions hoping to make great strides spiritually, but the world can be extremely overshadowing and challenging and it's so easy to get lost in confusion and self-destructive behaviors. Yeah, I consider it a blessing and a kind of

grace of God that I was saved from continuing in that vein. And perhaps it is because of some kind of past life immersion in spiritual practices and so on that it woke up again finally at a certain point. We never know what is a deter and what is something that we needed to experience because it later built something within us. Yeah. I know for myself at least that I set posts, like I have signs on my path to say, okay, this is where you're supposed to be. This is a person

you're supposed to meet at a certain point. Like you say, I heard the word enlightenment and that started the whole, opened a new door for me to find my way because you had that potential because It was part of what you came here to do. So I think we all have those signs Uh posted in our ways and if we listen to them and pay attention to them And sometimes it's not about any deep meaning but just the sign saying, okay You're guided now

Start trusting what you know and set on your journey. I think we also have a big gap I don't know why this is coming up but between what we perceive to be spiritual what we perceive to be success what we perceive to be the way to express an idea. So we follow that along life. Sometimes that's the

guidance we receive from our parents, family, community, to be something specific. And it's again, and what we are here to do is something that may be much simpler or a completely different direction, but we dismiss it because it's not who we are or who we're supposed to be. A lot of attentiveness A lot of attentiveness. I actually relate to it in my book. The promise we made is a second promise talking about allowing When it hit me that I don't give that to my daughters

It was really striking and then I I needed to practice it myself just opening that door for them to Be able to listen to themselves because they knew how to listen And they would close their eyes or they would gaze and they would play quietly or write something or draw when they were really little They were listening to their knowing I could really trust them, but I needed to Not create a schedule

And not make sure they're busy all the time and that was very hard because I was sitting on the sofa I was not functioning other people were doing things for a long time until I became active again, and it was

Communicating to others who thought they needed to be busy. You need to have a full schedule play dates going to the playground guns No, it was just fine not doing anything When we're attentive again, we're less prone to losing our path and then hearings of signs like word somebody else reads in a book and Knowing this word has a meaning for you or or or for me

It requires a lot of trust, you know trusting. Oh that really is meaningful and I'm going for it and I think it also requires Saying yes Saying yes, you know saying yes to showing up saying yes to exploring something that maybe seemed Really unrelated to your life at the time, but was calling you so I always encourage the children I work with and the teens to trust what they know and explore and Explore and some of the things you're gonna find out that they're not theirs

But they will not know if they don't try and they know what to try and what not to try It's pretty amazing to look at them from the side because they have this really deep inner knowing but saying yes I wouldn't written a book if I hadn't said yes to something crazy English is not my first language. I've never written a book. I wrote academic papers and chapters. I didn't write a book stories, but I did. Well, you speak good English. I would hardly have known that it wasn't your first

language. I make a lot of mistakes and my vocabulary is lacking and that's what it is. Just out of curiosity, as a case in point, this thought occurred to me. You know, my parents were well-educated, intelligent people, but kind of messed up, as I said. So let's say that you

had lived in my town when I was a kid and I was five or six years old. My parents were perhaps late 20s, early 30s, and they had thought, "Well, let's have Efrat, you know, work with us and see what she can do to help us or to help our poor little son who still wets his bed and whatnot." What kind of intervention would you have done, given my family situation as I described it?

>> I would start working with your father because trauma from war, post-trauma from war, is usually a symptom of soul loss and it's very difficult to live life full if you had those really innocent, knowing, trusting, creative, happy pieces of yourself. It was a professional artist, yeah. Lost in war, and it happens in war because souls know they're not here to kill anyone.

And situations of war are really, really, really difficult and there is tremendous soul loss and you can't heal soul loss immediately after the trauma happens But as things come down and it's safe for those pieces to return or to be reactivated

There are energetic interventions that can Reawaken those pieces sometimes at once and sometimes one by one depending on the situation

But that's where I would have started. I would have started trying to Help your father regain back his life Because as he would regain back his life and feel safe You as a child would have felt safe as well Same true to your mom Finding her core finding out what's important for her And then we could have or at the same time given them tools if I would be working like I work with families Giving them tools to share with you

On breathing on relapsing before going to sleep and so forth. Let's say nothing worked and they're becoming their core selves, but you're still wet the bed and you're still very anxious and you're still having whatever issues you're having like many children do, then

we can go and work with the child themselves. If the child gives permission, I ask permission even from two-year-olds and one-year-olds, I have ways of confirming I can actually work with them at the literal physical level and soul level, but let's say you're saying yes I'm willing for a fact to look at my energy field. Then we could check what happened to you. Why is it hard for you to be in a physical

body and have proper physical functioning? And there are numerous reasons that are related to soul past lifetimes or you know it's not exactly past but other lifetimes and there are reasons that are related to the alignment of our various energy layers and there are reasons that happen for things happened at birth and all kinds of contracts sitting on the family lines. There are so many reasons and there is no one storyline. If a child wets in bed, this is a

reason. Every child has their own reason and their whole family situation. But then I choose to work with the children only after I know the parents are able to hold space for the child to truly heal.

And there is always a lot of lifestyle changes within that each family based on what she's able to carry from nutritional changes to Cutting out activities changing activities becoming choice makers of who you spend your time with and so forth Using your example of a process That would be the process And then if there's alcoholism involved or other things like that do you sort of bring in or you know encourage Alcoholics Anonymous or bring in other therapists

or modalities? Yeah, yeah definitely. It never contradicts other modalities. Locally I have a psychiatrist I work with together, a psychologist that we work with together with families, an acupuncturist that works with women trying to conceive and I sometimes intervene to help her where she can because she does the energy work herself. Globally I refer people to find people in their environments, I don't know the people. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it always comes together

with things. Energy doesn't solve anything unless we work things also in the literal. But in terms of post-trauma, PTSD, trauma of war, often once soul pieces, soul fragments, start returning back and there is a healing of the trauma by embracing those positive pieces of life than drinking, using drugs, all kinds of negative consequences of escaping are decreasing. There must be so much of that in Israel considering everything Israel and the Jews have been through.

You know Thomas Hubel, he does this collective trauma healing work, but it seems like it must be like a powder keg over there in terms of the tension of all the hostile parties in such close proximity and missiles coming in from Lebanon and Gaza and every place and vice versa going the other direction, it just must be nerve-wracking. People must be really on kind of a high stress level,

perpetually fighting for flight all the time. Yeah, I think that everyone in this geographical area, not just Jewish or Israelis, Muslim and Christian are within Israel that are like Arab Israelis or each of them define themselves differently. And those living in the West Bank, everyone and definitely those in Gaza or in Lebanon. Stress levels are very, very high for everyone, depending again, some more depending on the

situation and some less. There is a lot of soul loss because very basic sense of security

has been lost. Yeah. It's in the energetic sphera and in my community, we try to cultivate both for the adults and the low ones a subjective sense of safety not in terms of Acting as if it is safe because it's not as if safe But finding that inner trust that as a soul, we're all safe And that we are guarded the confusion To me is sad because when people experience all loss and when people don't know what to trust Their belief systems are more fragile And their trusting

In other humans becomes more fragile. So the situation is horrible for everyone I almost have tears in my eyes because it is so painful what's happening here But then what's painful for me also is that people are losing the trust in one another I know false science friends that It is hard for us to communicate Although they know exactly what I believe and how supportive I am of their right to have a country and leave their life and have all kids

Play joyfully and not worry about food shelter or anything Because as soon as we have a threat we go into survival mode all of us doesn't matter how aware or conscious we are

And i'm happy to have a community. I know a lot of people who are In efforts to keep their frequency and vibration high That are insisting on keeping their trust in our human ability To see each other as equals And it's not easy with everything going on But there are a lot of people A lot of israelis a lot of arabs a lot of phallustines that are holding this vision

In the shamanic practice we often talk about dreaming a world into being I assume you're familiar with this practice of creating an energetic ripple by dreaming the possible So we practice dreaming the possible And we try not to anchor it in a way that one person sees it this way or another way But anchor just those qualities of children Just having a good life and having the options of being who they are in a general

Perspective and there's a lot of energetic work being done in holding this potential this possible using germane Especially when the leadership is so deeply confused I often ask myself and my daughters ask this thing. Why did we ask to be born here?

I don't know. I don't have that answer yet. I just know I had to be born here. I was born and raised in jerusalem I went through a lot of times of conflict when the bus it went to school one would bomb I would go on the Next one I would somehow miss that bus, but I would go in the next one and I would arrive safely to school And the bus after would bomb as well Wow terrorist attacks and a lot of things happened to me that I was like, wow, I was really really guarded

But I grew up in that multicultural Beautiful city of jerusalem that belongs to everyone and no one at the same time One day maybe you know when I leave I will understand why I chose to come here but I think uh, there are people like myself and like you holding a vision of different humanity, of a kind, compassionate

humanity everywhere. And we trust. Yeah, you know, a lot of spiritual people for a long time have been prophesizing that we're going to have some kind of age of enlightenment or new age or golden age or whatever you want to call it. In fact, even ancient cultures going back a couple thousand and years have prophesied some such thing eventually coming to pass.

And a lot of people feel like, well, maybe we're getting close to it now, but then there's this notion these days that perhaps we have to go through a collective dark night of the soul before we can get to that. And maybe we're entering into that now more than ever. And you can think of other times it seemed like a collective dark night of the soul, like the world wars and the Middle Ages and so on, but then we didn't have a golden age after those.

But anyway, with everything you've experienced and thought about, do you have any thoughts on those ideas? I don't think we need to go through the dark night of the soul. In this geographical area, I think we are repeating old paradigms, old contracts, old ways of inefficient resolution. I think there is a lot of fear of moving forward, and this fear of moving forward makes the leadership and a lot of other humans hold on to hatred, choose killing, think land

is more important than human life. And on the broad perspective of what's happening, it's good

that things are rising and opening, but a lot of what's happening here was not necessary. None of it needed to happen if there was a different choice in resolution. You could probably say that about every war and every concentration camp and every genocide and everything that has ever happened there could have been a better way. But there's so much fear of showing up and becoming that people are pulling back and letting the fear lead.

Now think about people like yourself and so many people you interview and I know this is true for me. It is so hard to say yes and to show up again and again and again and practice. Hard work to practice and stay aligned and not let the confusion go into me You know, I had a near-death experience, but I needed to integrate that near-death experience and I share that process in my book The promise we made

It was an integration process. I needed to understand what it means. I needed to bring it into my life

It's not an easy journey. It's a lot of choices to surrender and as you surrender you have less We will because you can't be confused anymore So you look around and we are both fortunate to know a lot of people who are making this choice and are somewhere in their journey of choosing To be who they can be that essence of compassionate loving Being soul, but there's so many others who are not choosing that And uh, are we more?

Or are they more? I don't know. I'm not counting I'm just looking at things and I don't think we needed to go through this and I don't think we need to go through wars Any longer?

I think we need to find ways to overcome our fear I think we are on the way to that My sample is not representative Those children that I meet those families that I meet i'm fortunate and blessed and i'm grateful to meet such amazing Humans and sometimes their situations are so so difficult But they are choosing to do what they can in their Abilities and that's always amazing to me So I choose to focus my energy on that and I think that these are the leaders of our future

This is a type of quality and energy that I hope Will lead the future of humanity We've been confused enough We've been confused enough. It's not about being confused again and going through some storms of that we would understand It's about taking the deep breath and just becoming choice makers Navigating our path and our journey as we can We are really sophisticated beings all of us Have the capability To be the essence the pure essence that we all are and we all are again

This is how I experience it because of my new desk experience. It doesn't matter who you were and what you did All the beings that I saw were embraced. They were all welcome to home. Maybe later Somebody sat with them. I did not see this happening sat with them and said this was better This you might need to repeat But the embrace was very very clear. It didn't matter. It doesn't matter What happened here?

even those souls that did such horrible acts on october 7th and beyond and in other places and Even they are going to be given another chance Because they too have a pure essence Potential within them and it's really hard for us to see that And accept that especially with what's going on here but That's how I see it. Now. How do we they raise their children? How do we change the dynamics here?

One by one. Yeah, I like that quote from jesus as he was being nailed to the cross. Forgive them father for they know Not what they do Nobody wants to be a monster in their heart of hearts, in their essence, and everyone really is the same pure being in their essence. We all are that. But the blinding darkness of ignorance, to quote a Sanskrit phrase, is just so blinding, so overwhelming, that we get lost in it.

>> Yeah, we get lost. But we also live in a time that there's so much information available. >> Yeah. Well, it confused a really confused soul may Have one of your interviews pop up when they open YouTube, for example Yeah, and that's a point of choice. They're looking for a YouTube on how to make bombs instead. They find Buddha at the gas pump

We talked about his job. So maybe that something would come up something but I think sometimes These strings are pulled and there is something in front of you and you can say, okay I'll see what it is, or you can ignore it. But that's an invitation. We get those types of invitations all the time. And I think when we stand that ripple of energy and that hope, it's like my hope for this conversation that we're having, that it will reach whoever needs

for it to reach it, even if it's a sentence I said or a sentence you said. Because sometimes that's all you need in order to take that deep breath and say, "Okay, I'm shifting something in my life. I want to become a Y can be. Yeah, there's an Indian saying, "For the wise, only an indication is necessary." I like that. I tend to read cosmic significance into things as

I go through my life. You know, "Why did this person show up?" or "Why did that bird fly across my path?" Not that I really ask that about birds, but I just sort of see that… But you should! every little thing is somehow meaningful. I remember a Carlos Castaneda story where he and his teacher were having some conversation and the tea kettle started to boil and his teacher said, "The tea kettle agrees." It's like somehow everything is pregnant with meaning.

Not that you should drive yourself crazy trying to interpret every little bug that lands on you or something, but there is cosmic intelligence orchestrating everything. We just sent out a newsletter, maybe I could find a copy of it. I'm going to do that very quickly. It had a real nice quote from Lao Tzu, I believe. I don't think we need to interpret every little sign we're giving, but their signs are there to confirm that we are on the path.

And once we don't get into, you know, overthinking about what's the meaning of the sign, then we can breathe into it and just say, "Oh, okay, so I'm on the path." I also find it really important, especially if you talk about birds, that people don't look for what the bird means to others, but just trust what they know about the signs they see. It's hard to teach that to teens who are constantly on their phones.

Say, "Okay, you saw the sign, don't search it, don't go to Google, just take a deep breath and ask yourself, 'What does the sign mean to me?'" Some of them embrace it, some of them Google and then go to check what it means for them. I use AI. But anyway, here's a quote. It's from Lao Tzu. "Simplicity, patience, compassion. These three are your greatest treasures. Simple in actions and thoughts, you return to the source of being.

Patient with both friends and enemies, you accord with the way things are. Compassionate toward yourself, you reconcile all beings in the world." But being in accord with the way things are, that one really struck me, not feeling that, "Oh, this shouldn't be happening." It is happening, so therefore it should be. Now what is the implication of it?

Yeah, what is the implication? How do we want to interpret it? How do we want to react? Do we want to react? Do we have to react? And if it's a significant event, then what do I need to do in order to take that event and become a better person? Yeah, I mean, look at your car accident. You could have spent the rest of your life saying, "Oh, poor me. I had this bad car accident." Instead, it's completely turned your life around. It opened up a huge world of possibilities.

Yeah, but it did require, as I said earlier, a lot of saying yes. Things were really, really challenging, and it's not that I became this enlightened person. I'm not. I'm still working on it. It was one step at a time, and asking questions, and finding what drives me, and connecting to myself and it did gift me with a lot of time for myself so I could rest and I could journey and I could drift into those realms that I visited. But I needed to understand

them. I did not come with a spiritual language so I did not have that carpet to stand on, that foundation of understanding what was happening. I did not read one near-death experience book before I realized this is what happened to me. Only then I started reading and searching, and I also trying to figure out what does it mean. And some of the books just share the story as an enlightenment. Some books have in between the lines also the process of integration of

showing that it doesn't just happen. You need to take it. And I think that's true for every life event, we get an invitation and it's what we do with it. And so far I've been saying mostly yes, and I hope to continue to do that. So I managed to say yes to what this whole story brings to my life, to my family life. But it's not instant. I think we all, in terms of what we talked before

about being a very passive society, we want things to happen to us. And magic happens, magic exists, but sometimes we work really, really hard to be able to learn how to listen to it, learn how to trust our intuition, learn to be open for that magic to actually manifest. And it's still magical when it happens.

>>Rick: There's a great quote from a British explorer and mountaineer named Murray, I forget what his first name was, but it's about taking initiative and then when you take some initiative, all kinds of opportunities and so-called coincidences and things start to happen that wouldn't happen had you not taken initiative and started the ball rolling.

promises I feel we all made to our children, universal soul promises. And the third promise, I was really surprised when it came down and it took me time to understand it, but I named it the emotion of love and what I realized is that when a parent in terms of the Mutual shared journey with children when a parent wakes up And realizes that there is something to do

before they take action before they do interventions before they do all kinds of sessions in order to clear their energy field and become Who they are before they change lifestyle before anything just that awareness already sense that energetic communication to the children saying, "Okay, I got it. I'm seeing you're inviting me to something and I'm going to try." Now, if that parent won't do anything about it, that energetic communication is going to go away.

But as long as there is their efforts, even those small first steps of a parent understanding, they want to find their center and become the potentials that their child chose. The child gets that communication. Now the children, they are born knowing the truth.

They know who they are. They know exactly what they want. They are born attentive. They're able to hear their messages and know their signs and they are set to connect to Earth, bring in their spirit and do a process of becoming the co-creators we all come here to become. So as As soon as that energetic communication is already

Sent then that child can stay true to who they are. They can stay true to what they Know for themselves and be patient while their parent is on that journey in the motion In my experience what I noticed was that I call them soul moments like it But I'm sure there might be other terms of distinct moments when I was aligned to my truth. I

I felt the joy I felt in my near-death experience in other dimensions. I felt aligned I felt I was who I am it was little pieces of confirmation and It could be about big decisions, but it was often about very very little elements Of not taking that extra bite. It's an example I give in my book. I think it's a very powerful example We sit with the food on our plate and do we take that extra bite that we don't need to take in?

And when we learn to notice When we reach that extra bite and we don't need to take it in then We start to be attentive And there are small precise moments and we when we have those precise moments all moments and we're aligned to a truth these small moments of just trying exploring as parents Create a legitimacy for our kids The souls they are the beings that they are and they're very evolved beings among them

to stay true to what they came here to do. It helps them navigate those first years of being really, really dependent on us because it communicates there is an effort. It's a really powerful, energetic message that as soon as people show up, something shifts. You've referred a number of times to really evolved children. And you know, you've heard

these terms, indigo children or star seeds and different terms like that. Do you feel like there's a batch of really evolved kids being born these days that more so than 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago? Is it like some kind of influx taking place of highly evolved souls? Jessica I think it's constantly growing, constantly

growing. I think we don't have labels for many of them. We use starseeds for so many types of evolved souls that are coming to help and contribute to the processes of Earth and elevating our consciousness, but there are many types of being among them. I try to avoid those labelings because then it's really helpful for us as adults to say, "Oh, these are the characteristics of an indigo child or a crystal child or this and this."

And this is why it helps us understand why we're different or why we experience something differently. But as parents looking and observing the various types of children coming, just accept them and loves them as who they are, and observe their needs, and become the parents they need, and create the condition that your child needs. Yes, a lot of them are very evolved souls. A lot of them have never incarnated on earth. And being here is very, very difficult for them. They are overwhelmed.

They don't know what they signed up for. And going through those years of being dependent is the key, whether they're gonna manage to fulfill their missions here or not. - Here's a question. A lot of times people listen to conversations like this and they think, "Well, how do you know this?" And like you just said, a lot of them, this is their first incarnation on earth.

And I can hear people thinking, "How does she know that?" And I, myself, I'm always saying things that like I can ask myself, "Well, how do I really know that? Is it just a belief? Is it somehow derived from my meditations experiences or whatever, or have I just built a belief system that makes sense to me, that involves reincarnation and all kinds of other things that I have no really concrete proof for? So, I can't prove it. This is not something I can prove.

Yeah. But when I meet those kids in my work and I connect to their energy field, their energy field is very different, and there are all kinds of energy fields. It's not just what we usually see for a soul that has incarnated many times and it can be more luminous or less luminous. They carry information. Sometimes the resolution that they need takes place in other planets. So we see those beings. And it's not just me,

it's a lot of my colleagues as well. I know I'm not the only one seeing those different essences. You can say shamanic journeying in every traveling to other dimensions is a fruit of our imagination.

So we can be skeptic whether it's true or not true. This is what I experience in my healing sessions with many children being born today young ones very young ones Showing characteristics i've never seen before sharing information I've never heard before This is what I am seeing in my type of work But i'll say something beyond that regardless who that soul is regardless who that being is or where they come from. Our shared intention is to have them all fulfill their journey.

And to fulfill their journey, they need to be human. And I said earlier, I believe in grounded spirituality. The most spiritual thing to do is to be who you are.

And our job role as the parents is as significant adults to others. It's often not the parents, it's other significant adults, like grandparents, like teachers, like an aunt and uncle, like a librarian.

They're really important people that guide those sensitive children, those quiet children on how to be living a human experience, grounded, not about floating and soaring and escaping their human reality, which we all do because being human is really difficult, but by embracing this journey fully. So it doesn't matter if it's a star seed, if it's an indigo children, if it's a child, if it's beings that never incarnated before, or a really, really wise, luminous, spiritual soul.

They all need those conditions. They all need for us to be kind and compassionate and open the door for them to become who they can. And they each need something different. That's why they choose different parents and different conditions.

Yeah, because of the kind of people I interview I've talked to a lot of people who Were very sensitive as children in some cases could see angels or had auras or you know different subtle stuff like that and some of them assumed that everyone sees things that way and they they learn soon enough that that is not the case and Often when they would talk about their experiences to their parents or others

They would be told that it was their imagination or there was something wrong with them or whatever so they shut it down or just wouldn't talk about it anymore. But what you're doing in terms of normalizing and accepting and acknowledging these kinds of kids is great. Why should we all have to shut it down and go through crazy teenage years in order to maybe eventually rediscover it later on?

It would be nice to just kind of keep the ball rolling from start to finish in life and have this kind of way of functioning become the norm, which I think it easily could be. You know, you mentioned other planets, maybe there are planets in which highly enlightened people are the norm. Be nice to think that. And why not this one? It could happen, we could change it, not in a snap of the fingers, but over time.

>> Susan Over time, one by one. I was a kid like that. And I know many children who are like that. And at least locally I am I feel that the peer groups that they have a group Most my daughters and all the teens and children that I work with They have a group they relate to there are other children and teens that they know who see energies who experience all kind of experiences

Like they do that's very powerful. And I know that's true also for others that I know who are leading such groups It's both normalizing it in terms within the family and usually a sensitive child a child with all kinds of abilities One of their parents have those abilities as well, but they shut it down But when they have also the peer group And that's where I think books are really important and stories and there are many spiritual aspects in children

Middle grade books today. You can find them weaved in all kinds of places it's becoming less un-norm or not normal, and there is information. So yeah, I'm hoping that I am contributing my bit of quantum, my quantum to this ripple of opening up. There are many like me around the world, and that's the intention. >> And there's a lot of cool stuff in the popular

culture, like become a Jedi Master, or become a wizard, or whatever. The children get these stories that we can have these so-called magical abilities. >> That's amazing, and just think how many kids relate to those superpowers. But we need to also be really careful that we don't attribute superpowers to characters existing only in movies and books, and actually confirm to our children that their abilities are superpowers, because every child has superpowers.

And as young children, until like five or six, they're really into it. Some are in five or six, many of them, not all of them, some carry it along into their teen years, but some of them start to get confused and rational and go to school and mental processes, and they lose not only the belief in the super human characteristics, but also the belief in their own superpower.

- Yeah. - So it's a delicate like process of nourishing those connections to heroes that carry superpowers, but also finding that reflection of where does that, you have your superpower as well. And maybe it's different and maybe it's not seen and maybe we don't know what it is, but it's there because they all have it. - Yeah, I have a friend who has a sensitive child like that. And he came home from school one day and said, "Mommy, my teacher told me there's no such thing as dragons."

And I actually made a video for the kid and sent it down about how there is such a thing as dragons and they don't exist on the gross plane. They perhaps exist in other dimensions and whatnot

and that's why they're in all the cultures around the world. In fact, next week I'm going to interview a lady who this is her whole focus is talking about all the different other kinds of life, non-human life that exists in various dimensions and how many humans are actually hybrids of some elf or something and human, not through necessarily interbreeding, but through some kind of mind meld with some such entity. Anyway, that should be a bit of a stretch for

some people, but I think it's fun. I'm listening to her books right now. >>Sarah: I think it's an important thing to be aware of and not to be afraid of. >>Rick: Yeah. But if I go back to your example of that kid and dragons, that's how kids lose their belief in themselves. That's how they lose that connection because someone with no bad intentions tells them that what they know is not real. And those dragons are real for that child.

Maybe that's the guidance, maybe that's what they see in their visioning, maybe that's their energetic communication, we never know. >>Rick: Yeah, now may have... >>Susan: I'm not going to dismiss anything that kids say. Just nourish whatever they know for themselves, even if it's something I'm not familiar with.

>>Rick: Sure. And that's not to say that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny are all real, but that also doesn't mean that all kinds of other things aren't real, that part

of our folklore, perhaps, or at least in some kind of distorted form, have come down through the ages. >>Susan: Exactly. >>Rick: One final point.

I interviewed a woman a couple months ago who has an autistic daughter, Melinda Edwards, and she felt and feels that autistic children are special in a way, that they're some kind of harbingers of some higher consciousness, but they just haven't really learned to, or they're not wired well to function in our society or on this planet or whatever. In fact, Mindy is going to be interviewed by Tammy Simon, if sounds true, pretty soon, about that topic.

friend who has a nice level of spiritual awakening, but who discovered that she is neurodivergent. She's of course a grown adult, is going to be interviewed by Sounds True. What do you think about autism, neurodivergence, things like that in children and perhaps also in adults, even adults who are highly spiritual? They're definitely offering us a different way of viewing the world and of how thought processes work, how communication works.

And yes, again, my limited sample, not representative children on the spectrum that I was honored to work with, they all came from far away. Came from far away means? Other planets. Other planets. Okay. Far away. Some of the challenges were challenges of adjusting to how human life is in terms of the way of communicating, in terms of processing information. And it's different, like I'm thinking of specific situations.

Some of them were about being overwhelmed from so much information because they catch so much information at the same time. It's like they have so many more receptors. So it's overwhelming. And some of them are actually bringing, offering a type of, and again, this is generalizing, this is not my specialty, but I have worked with many on the spectrum. They offer us a different type of healing. They absorb energies. They're communicating just in a different way.

So they're avoiding what we would accept to be a common way of human communication. Or they have their challenges, again, each child and their challenges, but they're very, very evolved, luminous being offering us a very advanced level of healing. And they absorb and release it out. And they are a vessel.

I don't think that's always healthy for them, because they need guidance on how to be a vessel for healing, how to absorb somebody else's energy and then transfer it out and not have it stuck in them. Some of them know how to do it, some of them don't. So again, I avoid generalizing, but they are definitely a blessing to humanity, and they're offering us teachings and lessons that others don't. >>Rick: That's great, great answer. I'm glad I brought it up.

And when you say they came from other planets, you're not implying that they came in spaceships necessarily, but they incarnated here. >>Suzanne: They incarnated here, yes. Incarnated here was an intention also for themselves, for learning, to experiencing. It's not just about bringing gifts, it's also about their own experience of humanity and what they can learn here about different types of information processes, communication, perspectives. >>Rick: Nice. Great.

Well, we've gone on a couple hours and probably should wrap it up, but I've really enjoyed this conversation and getting to know you better. I'll be linking to your website and people can find out what you're up to there, sign up for things, whatever, get in touch with you. But is there anything that you'd like to say in closing?

>> I've got the stage to say a lot of what I think. My website, my name, fachekreft.com, you can find the information about my book, The Promise We Made, a lot of free resources, a lot of articles, and also a contact page to contact me with any question or anything that comes up. I guess my message to everyone and my hope and my dreaming that we find our essence and we become the humans, the kind, compassionate, loving humans that we can.

That would be so nice to live that and not just dream it. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your contribution to making that a reality. There's a team of people around the world, loosely affiliated and unbeknownst to one another for the most part, who are all moving this thing along and helping to bring about a better world. Yeah, everywhere. Many, many, many, many. Yeah. So each one of us does our little thing and we create a ripple.

Which is hope for optimism, you know, because I've heard people say, "Well, I don't want to have children because climate change," and, you know, things like that. But I think we need all the evolved souls we can get to help transform the world, including climate change and every other problem that besets us. Yeah, yeah, and there's so many wanting to come to Earth. Yeah. Earth can handle it.

Yeah, and I don't want to drag this on too much, but if you are a spiritually conscious person and aspiring to higher development and all that stuff, there's a verse in the Bhagavad Gita which says, if you're really a righteous soul, then you might be reborn in a well-educated affluent family, but then it says if you're really worthy, you will be born in a family of yogis, although it says, as might have stalked, we didn't have children, but anyway, I think it's a special time in

the world, and as you said, there are many highly evolved souls wishing to be born. >>Suzanne: Yeah, and I think that, again, people know if they are here to be biological parents or adoptive parents or significant adults, so others are not have children because their mission is about something else, and it's all okay, as long as it's aligned to what we wanted for our journey. Alright, great. Alright, well thank you, that's a good note to end on. Thank you, thank you very much.

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