[SPEAKER_00]: Episode two hundred. [SPEAKER_00]: We are live with some special guests today and you know, I wore my work a tire to the podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: So did you? [SPEAKER_00]: This is what we were going to find today. [SPEAKER_02]: And this is two hundred episodes were celebrating of talking bucko's baseball because we are true sickos out of congrats. [SPEAKER_02]: We made it. [SPEAKER_04]: Congrats to yourself. [SPEAKER_04]: Two hundred episodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's about two hundred hours of talking pirate's baseball. [SPEAKER_04]: And if you're listening, you're also part of this because we wouldn't have made it to two hundred without all the support that we've received over the past year and a half.
[SPEAKER_04]: couple highlights just for me going down to spring training and being credentialed for the first time that first time out on the field, talking to players hitting episode one hundred just before the season and already reaching two hundred now. [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty cool man. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know about you, but that's that's kind of my top of the list right now of what we've got to experience out of Bucco banter so far. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're flying through the episodes here. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the highly permeates just being at the ballpark every day and then getting noticed and and getting the feedback that we make pirates baseball fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's that to me makes this all worth it because that's the goal here is is to bring some lightheartedness to [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not so positive situation and just to enjoy baseball because we love the game baseball and you know we're just going to make the most out of it and I think we've done that so far this season and season two of Bucco Banner we just started this last February man and it's come a long way. [SPEAKER_04]: a very long way.
[SPEAKER_04]: This season makes it feel like we've been talking pirates for about ten years now because it just won't. [SPEAKER_04]: And right when you think things are turning around, just like how they went on that little win streak before the trade deadline, they bring you right back down. [SPEAKER_04]: They come back. [SPEAKER_04]: You got the rocky series, which just heartbreaking stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: The giants at home, [SPEAKER_04]: Turns out, you can't beat them every single time.
[SPEAKER_04]: They draw two of three to the giants, kind of a classic pirate series. [SPEAKER_04]: Before we get into it, Camp Sanders made his debut. [SPEAKER_04]: And then we have an article to talk about as we do. [SPEAKER_04]: Why don't you lead us into that? [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so we're talking about the Prado article, right? [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're talking about because I keep this fun in inter case.
[SPEAKER_02]: John Prada, uh, post an article regarding the anticipated decrease in payroll for the next season. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, payrolls already decreased since trading, you know, combined Hayes, gave a Ferguson, David Bednar, quite a bit. [SPEAKER_02]: And that was meant to create flexibility. [SPEAKER_02]: That was meant to create flexibility. [SPEAKER_02]: And it hasn't done, and it doesn't seem like that's what it's going to do per this article.
[SPEAKER_02]: If true, [SPEAKER_02]: they anticipate not increasing payroll at all or decreasing it. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that was a bummer to read and I don't know what your thoughts are on an atom, but yeah, that's where we're at right now. [SPEAKER_02]: And in my surprise, no, but yeah, that you took the words right out of my mouth. [SPEAKER_04]: If you are [SPEAKER_04]: surprised by that article. [SPEAKER_04]: Good article.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep. [SPEAKER_04]: by John Good, good journalism there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, if you're surprised by it, though, if you really thought that they're not making trades, if you believe the Benjerington nonsense that they're not making trades to save money, that they're real out, reallicating funds to dump into the roster for next year, which I think you kind of step back on and said, well, there's other ways to reallocate those funds to make this team better other than putting it into the roster, which is something we talked
[SPEAKER_04]: in depth with Noah about a ton last year when I put it into building an actual pirate ship to my next point, they should put a pirate ship out there right next to the pay phone bank. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, you can't be surprised by this kind of stuff and while it's just kind of adding fuel to the fire and I think that's necessary. [SPEAKER_03]: At this point, we're at the point where someone maybe needs to step in.
[SPEAKER_04]: to fix the situation because we just said it when you think it can't get any worse, it does. [SPEAKER_04]: And if you're telling all of the fans that this team is going to get better in twenty twenty six by not spending more money than you didn't twenty twenty five or twenty twenty four, then you're just lying to yourself. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I know Major League Baseball is trying to figure that out and you're the CBA coming out and the potential lock out. [SPEAKER_04]: I absolutely not going to help the pirates. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, not at all. [SPEAKER_02]: I get the argument. [SPEAKER_02]: Someone is calling me out for not being able to learning how to tie my own tie. [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_04]: What he is scum. [SPEAKER_04]: I know you corrected it to Scott, but he is scum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, interesting. [SPEAKER_02]: Not the best work, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I did this last minute. [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I wore this to work today. [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, I don't know where to go. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where to start with this right now. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a, it's a tough situation. [SPEAKER_04]: It really is. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we read off the free agent list.
[SPEAKER_04]: You say, like, hey, they're going to go out [SPEAKER_04]: and spend money. [SPEAKER_04]: They haven't signed a multi-year free agent in what ten plus years, ten years. [SPEAKER_04]: And then you look at the free agent list for next year, knock off ninety percent of those names that will absolutely not sign with the Pittsburgh Pirates. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely will not sign.
[SPEAKER_04]: That leaves you with the bottom barrel free agents who probably still [SPEAKER_04]: are undervalued when signing a contract here. [SPEAKER_04]: So again, are we just going to do the same thing over and over again, where it's a one year deal and where are we just waiting until twenty twenty eight twenty twenty nine until the next window comes along. [SPEAKER_04]: And I keep saying windows like that matters anymore because we are in a window of potential.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I think they should do. [SPEAKER_02]: We're something to do. [SPEAKER_02]: Today I saw that Roman Anthony was extended for eight years, under thirty million, something like that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Why not just go ahead and do the extension of Carl Griffin. [SPEAKER_02]: What's the number? [SPEAKER_02]: Is it a double it? [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I mean, it's it's it's happened. [SPEAKER_04]: It's happened at least like what?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think double lays probably. [SPEAKER_04]: When did Cole Keith get his contract? [SPEAKER_02]: Last year, right before his debut, I think. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, he was in what triple A before. [SPEAKER_02]: The teams are, the teams are doing that now and more so like not the non big market teams are doing that just to buy out a year or two of free agency and to get through just to get through the arby years too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, here's guaranteed money upfront. [SPEAKER_02]: And most guys will take that. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think of all schemes would take that deal. [SPEAKER_02]: We've we that's another topic of discussion we can have with no one in Alex later on. [SPEAKER_02]: I would bet my life on Paul schemes not signing that rumored extension or whatever is in the works, but.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, I think it's something that you could do with a young bat, like a Connor Griffin, or, I don't know if there's many other guys that you could do that with here in this organization currently, but just food for thought. [SPEAKER_02]: I know you're not gonna do it now, he's in high A, but I think he gets a double A before the end of the season. [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we talked about it on our minor league episode. [SPEAKER_04]: The farm does look better.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously a lot of changes this week, by the way, a lot of guys released. [SPEAKER_02]: My fellow Scotto, Abraham Gutierrez. [SPEAKER_02]: Yesterday, there was someone else yesterday, I can't remember who it was. [SPEAKER_02]: Where you went, Brayland Bishop. [SPEAKER_02]: Not Brayland Bishop. [SPEAKER_02]: That was after our down on the farm episode. [SPEAKER_02]: They announced two other guys, Gutierrez and someone else were released.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I mean, they're, you know, they're making room for some of the drafted guys and, and guys, they've signed recently. [SPEAKER_02]: So, [SPEAKER_02]: the price of doing business.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: A hundred percent before we go any further shout out to total sports enterprises go there for all of your Pittsburgh sports memorabilia needs, pirates, penguins, dealers, much, much more go to tscshop.com and if you go in the description when this is on Spotify or posted on YouTube, you click that link to let them know, bucko, banter, send you. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about the series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, before we get in, let me let couple more headlines that I want to just touch on real quick. [SPEAKER_02]: And then we can get right into the games, Paul schemes named and I'll picture the month. [SPEAKER_02]: He had a ridiculous July, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that last starting Colorado.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was in July that was August, but that last start was probably one of the most runs he's given up in the season outside of that Cardinal series beginning the year, but I've had like a point, something ERA in July was ridiculous. [SPEAKER_02]: And then Kim Sanders was obviously a really cool story. [SPEAKER_02]: This is a guy that was drafted by the Cubs in the twelfth round of twenty-eighteen LLSU has killed it in Altoona and Indie this year out of a bullpen roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he got, they select to discontract and they optioned over yeto back to AAA after his start. [SPEAKER_02]: What you're going to get into here shortly. [SPEAKER_02]: But I pretty sure they still don't have forty guys in the forty-man roster. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's something else that we can discuss. [SPEAKER_02]: later on. [SPEAKER_04]: Hundred percent. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's go to Monday, verse the giants.
[SPEAKER_04]: Overall, I know things have been bad, but the record hasn't been terrible. [SPEAKER_04]: We're like the end result over the past couple weeks hasn't been atrocious. [SPEAKER_04]: It could be a lot worse, but they did drop two or three to the giants and obviously a very winnable series. [SPEAKER_04]: If you're able to watch all of it Monday, exciting. [SPEAKER_04]: You get Oviado back from [SPEAKER_04]: all of the injuries that he has sustained.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think what he pitched in twenty twenty three last. [SPEAKER_04]: So I know it was one inning. [SPEAKER_04]: It was a bad inning. [SPEAKER_04]: Matt is saying thirty seven on the forty the last that he read. [SPEAKER_04]: He went he through twenty three strikes on forty three pitches one inning and then he was. [SPEAKER_04]: Option back to AAA Indianapolis. [SPEAKER_04]: This is kind of. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to put too much into this start, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Was it taxing a little bit on the bullpen, but sure. [SPEAKER_04]: At the end of the day, Obietta does have his issues with control. [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's always been the bugaboo throughout his entire career, but the velocity was around ninety four, like the stuff didn't look bad, but I think he's going to get more opportunities here, but one in ink, forty three pitches. [SPEAKER_04]: I think you have to cut it off there. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're just going to continue to work them out more and get build-ups and meetings. [SPEAKER_02]: And they have some flexibility right now going into this four game series with Cincinnati this weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's Saturday where they don't have a schedule starter. [SPEAKER_02]: So interested to see what they do there. [SPEAKER_02]: They go full-pen game or if they call someone up. [SPEAKER_02]: So they have an extra man, the bullpen right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I'm just about to see OVado back. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure it's going to be a gradual, you know. [SPEAKER_02]: back to life here for the last two months of the season for him, as he gets more used to throwing to major league batters. [SPEAKER_02]: But great to see him back. [SPEAKER_02]: And also great to see Darry Maretta back. [SPEAKER_04]: Big bank. [SPEAKER_04]: Big bank won one inning, one K, count Nicholas has been back.
[SPEAKER_04]: He went two and two thirds, two hits, two earned two walks. [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to just see him ride it out. [SPEAKER_04]: Like I know we keep going like the back and forth. [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe the only thing that Ben has done well throughout the years, just like getting bullpin arms, which I do want to talk Dennis Santana at some point because he has not been the same since the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I know you could blame a little bit on Colorado, but it wasn't great this series as well. [SPEAKER_04]: You have all of these arms and what is one thing that we've discussed over and over against God about having high leverage guys on this team? [SPEAKER_04]: It's, you don't need them. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you don't need them. [SPEAKER_04]: High leverage, what, when you're rarely in high leverage situations, you're not really winning games.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you don't need those assets. [SPEAKER_04]: And you could capitalize on those assets at the trade deadline for a lot more than what they're usually worth. [SPEAKER_04]: You got Dennis Santana off of waivers. [SPEAKER_02]: They've they've definitely missed on a lot of claims and and random flyers, but they've definitely also hit too. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, acquiring David Bednarna trade was one of the best players have been has acquired.
[SPEAKER_02]: former thirty some round pick by the pod rays became a closer and a leak closer. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you got to the Santana off of waivers. [SPEAKER_02]: You hadn't done much in his career until now. [SPEAKER_02]: So they've shown the ability to acquire these type of guys and they can continue to do so. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, keeping a guy like Santana around and a lot of the guys they've kept around does hasn't really made sense here in the second half.
[SPEAKER_04]: They won on Monday, five to four walk off, little dribbler to what, first second base by IKF, Swinsky scored Swinsky. [SPEAKER_04]: Also hit a home run. [SPEAKER_04]: He was the first star. [SPEAKER_04]: And then Horowitz's bat has gotten going the past couple of weeks. [SPEAKER_04]: I really like what I'm seeing from him. [SPEAKER_04]: Scott, we'll just run through this real quick before we get on to our next guest who is waiting right now. [SPEAKER_04]: Tuesday, bad loss.
[SPEAKER_04]: One to eight. [SPEAKER_04]: Burrows didn't really have a stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: Four and two thirds, five hits, six earned.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... you got some ashcraft sanders made his debut uh... rentals had two hits but as a team thirteen k's two for six runs and scoring position yet a couple airs out in the field and then today yeah for two loss i mean uh... they were up what to nothing uh... didn't get to watch much of today's game he need a good for the most poor for four and two thirds two hits one earned it and uh... the runs came from mattson and sentana later on give up to her and runs they lost in nine thinning
[SPEAKER_02]: Nicky G was three for four with an RBI trailer had a double, but you know, eight hits total one for six as well as a scoring position, eleven k's just not enough guys crossing home and yeah, just another tough loss before we get on to. [SPEAKER_04]: a very well-known guest. [SPEAKER_04]: Scott, why don't we talk to the red series real quick, because they're coming in for a four game. [SPEAKER_04]: Stin at PNC Park, there's sixty and fifty five, third in the NL Central.
[SPEAKER_04]: The buck goes are the only ones, not above five hundred in the NL Central, by far. [SPEAKER_04]: by far Thursday, you're going to see Brady Singer first Paul schemes. [SPEAKER_04]: This year, singers had two starts versus the pirates. [SPEAKER_04]: Both times he went five innings. [SPEAKER_04]: The second one in May to twenty first, he went five hits, two earned four walks, three case split between both of the starts.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ground ball oriented right handed pitcher relies heavily on the singer's slider combination, pitches to contact. [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to see a lot of weak ground balls limiting walks. [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of hit or miss with singer. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then Friday, we got Chase Burns. [SPEAKER_02]: He was a second overall pig last year, flame throwing rookie with a electric fastball slider combo.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's one three so far with the six or four year A, but the stuff is electric. [SPEAKER_02]: We fund to see him here Friday night against Mitch Keller. [SPEAKER_04]: And then Saturday, Nick Martinez versus TBD. [SPEAKER_04]: This year, Martinez, he went six innings against the Pirates four hits one earned two walks. [SPEAKER_04]: He had the four seem cutter change, sinker, slider curve.
[SPEAKER_04]: He returned to the MLB after several years in Japan and proved to man, more diverse pitch mix, refined ability to pitch to both sides of the plate, which brings us to Sunday. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then lastly, we're facing Zacletel. [SPEAKER_02]: He's acquired from the race at the deadline on Sunday. [SPEAKER_02]: He's facing Mike Burrow's, nine eight with a three, four, six BRA this year, ninety seven K's, one ten whip.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a back end starter with excellent control, deep arsenal, and it pitched a context out that relies heavily on inducing weak contact rather than overpowering hitters. [SPEAKER_02]: This is a guy who's gone back and forth. [SPEAKER_02]: from the bullpen to a back end starter role. [SPEAKER_02]: So should be an interesting matchup for between him and Burroughs, Burroughs, hopefully can bounce back on Sunday. [SPEAKER_04]: All right, good stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully they can get a little nl central magic coming in. [SPEAKER_04]: Mike is asking what, what is he saying here? [SPEAKER_04]: Where's dump? [SPEAKER_02]: What is this? [SPEAKER_02]: And then he also said, TBD Saturday is Jim Resadi. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what my sources have confirmed. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that's what Mike's sources are confirmed. [SPEAKER_02]: Is it time to bring on our guest? [SPEAKER_04]: It's time to bring in, Brenda the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've lost track how many times he has made an appearance on Bucco Banner. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be back after a six second break. [SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to welcome to the show, Mr. Noah Isles. [SPEAKER_04]: Noah, how's it going, buddy? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's me. [SPEAKER_02]: Look at you. [SPEAKER_02]: Can't dress for the occasion. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just wearing this. [SPEAKER_01]: Are we wearing ties? [SPEAKER_01]: Is this a thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: This is why we're a work to that. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Same. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: This is my casual. [SPEAKER_04]: I went to court in this. [SPEAKER_01]: Fun fact, uh, uh, uh, sensei bought something I got these cowboy hats on August first of last year in the pirates have been horrible since we bought. [SPEAKER_01]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't been one fun baseball game to cover since the moment I got these hats at the hat store.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the hat store. [SPEAKER_04]: Is that what the store was called? [SPEAKER_01]: It was called the hat store in Houston, Texas. [SPEAKER_01]: We walked in and there was no price tag on anything. [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, oh boy, did we commit to a very expensive inside joke? [SPEAKER_01]: And Alex wore his in the press box. [SPEAKER_01]: That was the game where O'Neill had three errors and basically ended his run as a short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I honestly don't think there's been one good moment for the pirate since we bought these hats. [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I should take them off. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I like it. [SPEAKER_04]: I like it. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, oh, I mean, look at that. [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking. [SPEAKER_04]: Who do you? [SPEAKER_04]: Who do you have there? [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what's it? [SPEAKER_04]: What's in your hand? [SPEAKER_04]: Talk a little bit about that. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is a wolf.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it is fucking like, I don't want this. [SPEAKER_01]: Where can I say that word? [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, I don't need the shit right now. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about the wolf game, some things are bigger than you, piles of boosts to seed. [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, Mike, you can't even read. [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so how about that? [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta lock in. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a wolf.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is in the same bloodline as a dog, but just cooler and will be celebrated at a ballpark near you sometimes soon. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, September second of this year is going to be the wolf game against the Los Angeles Dodgers. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's just the dog days of summer. [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing's going right. [SPEAKER_04]: You got a dig deep to that inner wolf. [SPEAKER_04]: And join us on the retunda. [SPEAKER_04]: You wear a wolf shirt. [SPEAKER_04]: You come up there.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a party. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll ask you all you guys there. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see all you guys there. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be real serious now from here on out. [SPEAKER_01]: What's up guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Congrats on two hundred episodes. [SPEAKER_01]: That's really cool. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: And I appreciate it. [SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, well, it's only fitting that we have you on for two hundred because you were there from the very beginning right when you were starting as well and look how far everybody has come since then. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk pirates. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, pretty uninspiring series. [SPEAKER_04]: You mentioned it. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just boring baseball right now. [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's not really much to look at. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like for the record to show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not complaining about it. [SPEAKER_04]: You're not. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for sure. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, you're, you're, there's a lot of people want this job. [SPEAKER_01]: No, but yes, it is. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I'll, I'll stop being a jackass. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we could talk real baseball here boring series.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the big takeaway for me and I don't know what you guys talked about before I hopped on is [SPEAKER_01]: They need to get created with how they use these settings on the mound for the last two months of the season. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see any benefit in having Dennis Santana try to get you five outs in an August game when you're in last place. [SPEAKER_01]: I think [SPEAKER_01]: You're better off rather than looking at who's a starter, who's a closer, who's a setup man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would look at how many games left are on the schedule and say, all right, we have this times nine to cover and how can we give you these innings up? [SPEAKER_01]: to best prepare our pitching staff, which is going to be the strength of this team in twenty twenty six, no matter how much money then claims are going to spend in the off season. [SPEAKER_01]: The pitching's going to be the strength and you have to ask yourself, is it better to have five true starters?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you have Mitch and Paul give you two days of consistent five to six ups a week? [SPEAKER_01]: And then you fill the rest of the games with [SPEAKER_01]: just innings eaters. [SPEAKER_01]: And that could range from younger people like you call it barco and Bubba. [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't think they're good enough to be big league starters right now, then cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Take you back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Johano Vieto, let him cover some innings, let Thomas Harrington cover some innings, ashcraft, burrows again, and then in Carmen. [SPEAKER_01]: But between all those names I just listed, you should have enough to get you three extra starts with length. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you can allow your back end arms to transition naturally. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what this series taught me. [SPEAKER_01]: And it also call a rado to a certain extent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Forget the traditional management of games and trying to do this and that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's schedule guys to go three innings. [SPEAKER_01]: and just let them get experience. [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what this was for, right? [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you traded Bailey falter. [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you traded David Bednar is to create lanes for younger guys, do it, get them experience. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you matter here. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a good segue.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they just option OV after his first start on Monday. [SPEAKER_02]: They option Harrington after a rough outing in Colorado. [SPEAKER_02]: He joined the team on the road thereafter the trade deadline. [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't it make more sense just keep them up here just to continue pitching them? [SPEAKER_02]: And also like why haven't we seen Bubba yet? [SPEAKER_02]: I would love this have all three of them up here in the Big League game. [SPEAKER_01]: I would too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would make a lot of sense. [SPEAKER_01]: If I had to guess, I think Ovis probably coming back Saturday to start. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just their bullpen has been eaten into so much that it didn't make sense to keep him rostered for four days when they needed an additional reliever. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think OV probably starts again Saturday if I had to guess for the Major League team. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I know it's not Chandler. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was told.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I don't get it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get what, like, they, they talked about, like I said, clearing space for younger guys. [SPEAKER_01]: To me, I look at this farm system. [SPEAKER_01]: I see two young prospects that are both big league ready and will absolutely help the team when games next year. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's Bubba and that's Barco. [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not clearing opportunities for them, then who are you clearing opportunities for?
[SPEAKER_01]: Burrows and Ashcraft who are already here, Yarno Vieto, who's already established a little bit of credibility in the major leagues, Jared Triolo, like, those are the guys that deserve the opportunities they need to be here. [SPEAKER_01]: And some capacity, like I said, doesn't have the necessarily be a traditional starter. [SPEAKER_01]: I think if Bubba were to throw [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fourteen innings for the remainder of the season in the major leagues as opposed to forty more innings or thirty more innings and the minor leagues would you not agree that those fourteen in the major leagues would be more valuable just for the sense that he gets a taste of life in the big leagues he gets to be around Paul and Mitch and Haney and Baraki veterans if they're still here. [SPEAKER_01]: Would you not agree that that would be the better strategy now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and there's also, I mean, I know he's not a top prospect and he's an older, but there's also Cam Devaney he acquired and you're taking a flyer on, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So what's the point in taking a flyer on a guy like that if you're going to keep IKF? [SPEAKER_02]: That's another guy that's still on this roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of puzzling to me because, you know, you had Kibran that was moved and then it was [SPEAKER_02]: To me, I thought I could have was like the top one, it's not too locked to be moved at the deadline. [SPEAKER_02]: And he wasn't. [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that might open us up a spot for a guy that you take a fire on like a cam to Vaney or a Nick Eork. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say you're taking a fire on him. [SPEAKER_02]: You traded for him last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he got some big league time. [SPEAKER_02]: But those are two other guys that that could be up here just getting playing time. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think their time up here would be much more valuable than an Indianapolis. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if they're not ready, like at all, and they're going to come up here and just be an absolute liability, then that's one thing. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, right, these games don't mean anything. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you see what you have. [SPEAKER_01]: So I hate to do this to you guys because this is your two hundredth episode, but I need to go handle a certain situation. [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: My girlfriend's car battery just died somewhere. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go take care of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because you got a new guess in the in the waiting. [SPEAKER_01]: So I bet you he doesn't have a tie or wolf. [SPEAKER_02]: So he absolutely does not. [SPEAKER_02]: But no, it's okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll do. [SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate it. [SPEAKER_01]: Tell him to go get the cowboy hat. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're fine. [SPEAKER_01]: She just said it started. [SPEAKER_01]: She just, she doesn't believe in the Wolf Game, but I'll let you guys talk to Stunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, bring him on. [SPEAKER_01]: I would like May I, May I be on the same show, Stunk? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's see. [SPEAKER_05]: We can make that work. [SPEAKER_05]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome. [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome. [SPEAKER_05]: Who said he could be on the same show as me? [SPEAKER_01]: Stunk is your cowboy hat. [SPEAKER_01]: Where's your tie? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_05]: I could get the cowboy hat. [SPEAKER_05]: Is that what you dressed to work, Stunk?
[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm casual. [SPEAKER_05]: Hang on. [SPEAKER_05]: Let me get the cowboy hat here. [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, I'm sorry to take the credibility away from your, you know, your big Jay programming. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry if I came in here acting goofy. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I just saw you waiting in the green room and I almost lost my shit. [SPEAKER_02]: So I, yeah, I was trying to make there for a second because I saw your cowboy hat and wolf in here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, let me ask you this. [SPEAKER_04]: What we were, uh, uh, oh my god, look at. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, boy. [SPEAKER_04]: Just. [SPEAKER_04]: unreal stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: I love it. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we got, we got both of you here. [SPEAKER_04]: Let me ask it. [SPEAKER_04]: We were talking pitching earlier.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to go to Ashcraft because you think maybe they'd have some type of interest in stretching him out a little bit instead of just going like two innings at a time. [SPEAKER_04]: Is that more of like, hey, we're limiting his innings or we're just like, we don't know what's going on. [SPEAKER_04]: We have no plan. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to start? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_05]: Coming into the year, they were very concerned with the addicts.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to love with this conversation about Braxton, a proud Texas boy is going to be with us wearing the two most inappropriate cowboy hats possible.
[SPEAKER_05]: they were concerned about the innings coming in just because he's never thrown a hundred ninety i don't even think eighty innings as a pro in a full season so that was a big part of the equation the calculus of what you want what they wanted to do they obviously wanted to push him they do see starter as a possibility for him long term but they can't have them throw a hundred twenty hundred thirty innings this year so that was a good
[SPEAKER_05]: In a merry step, you know, we're going to go halfway with this. [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to have you start in AAA for a little bit. [SPEAKER_05]: Still get used to that role in the major leagues. [SPEAKER_05]: It's the bullpen. [SPEAKER_05]: That's the opportunity. [SPEAKER_05]: We've seen him as an opener. [SPEAKER_05]: He can he's shown. [SPEAKER_05]: He can go three ups, maybe four. [SPEAKER_05]: So I would expect more of that down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I have a comment on that one right there. [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks, sex. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember when Sachs used to like the pirates. [SPEAKER_01]: It's sad. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a shot, Sachs. [SPEAKER_01]: Sachs, I want you to the wolf game. [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I ask, brother. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: We need you as the wolf game. [SPEAKER_01]: We need a song about the wolf game. [SPEAKER_01]: What's up?
[SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to kind of ask, stumped the same question we were talking about you. [SPEAKER_04]: Where are the young guys? [SPEAKER_04]: How do they fit into this equation if we're making room for them? [SPEAKER_04]: But we still have the roster as constructed right now. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there could be opportunities that are created organically, whether it's through trade, or not trade, but injuries, it just spots opening up through performance.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we will eventually see guys like Devaney, like guys like that eventually come up. [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, it's an interesting, you want to create the opportunity that was a stated goal, and then you hung on to three rental players that had it was counter-intuitive, at least in my opinion. [SPEAKER_02]: organic opportunities like performance bonuses and I'm kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways. [SPEAKER_02]: Guys, Sean's product is just posted on our article about the payroll for next year. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about that real quick. [SPEAKER_02]: There's suggestions that they might decrease or not increase, I guess, stay the same. [SPEAKER_02]: This deadline was suggested to create flexibility. [SPEAKER_02]: To me, flexibility is to spend elsewhere. [SPEAKER_02]: So why wouldn't payroll increase? [SPEAKER_01]: May I start with this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was going to say that rhetoric alone tells me that there's not going to be a lot of added resources. [SPEAKER_01]: If you have to subtract to add, then that means that you don't, you have the same amount of money, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If they were truly adding to the payroll, they wouldn't have to think about [SPEAKER_01]: cutting any money or moving money elsewhere, getting money off the books and I don't believe that they just got rid of these guys strictly for financial purposes, but when your own general manager is using rhetoric that kind of ties into the mentality of a salary cap when there's no salary cap in this league. [SPEAKER_01]: Although some people really want it. [SPEAKER_01]: A luxury tax.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, come on. [SPEAKER_01]: A luxury tax. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if we're talking about salary caps, you can get the hell off this stream. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: But no, and all seriousness, like, that rhetoric alone tells me that it's like, yeah, they're going to be under similar financial constraints is what they're always under. [SPEAKER_01]: And it might go up a little bit. [SPEAKER_01]: It might be down a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably going to end up spending more money in new payroll, just because, I mean, if they move Keller, their financial committed payroll would be like, what, like, thirty two million? [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be under forty million if they get Keller off the books. [SPEAKER_01]: They're committed payroll. [SPEAKER_01]: So like, they're going to have to spend even if they spend fifty million dollars of new money, [SPEAKER_01]: that there's still lower than what they are now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get this, I get the sense that, yeah, like I don't think it's gonna be a tremendous upgrade. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think they're gonna brag about adding all this new money to the payroll, but when you look at who they moved away, they're gonna be around the same number if not lower than they were this year. [SPEAKER_02]: Is there chance that flexibility was created to build an actual pirate ship? [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, we're trying to be serious here, Scott.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm being serious. [SPEAKER_04]: It's the point in the wall. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a paper. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: That's going to cost about thirty million just the technology is not there yet. [SPEAKER_01]: I reckon we bet I reckon we let stump give an answer now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: This is great. [SPEAKER_04]: Alex, we didn't really talk to you after the trade deadline. [SPEAKER_04]: Did you have a favorite trade or someone?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, let's okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Out of all the trades, what was your favorite trade? [SPEAKER_04]: What was your favorite trade? [SPEAKER_04]: And what was one that? [SPEAKER_04]: And why was it Bailey talk to you? [SPEAKER_05]: The Caleb Ferguson one, and I guess, hey, sort of the ones I take the least so she with. [SPEAKER_05]: I guess it would be the most diplomatic I could answer that question. [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, yeah, I mean, Caleb was here for a year.
[SPEAKER_05]: You get a, you know, wild card guy in A ball. [SPEAKER_05]: That's kind of what you expect for a left-handed, you know, reliever and, and Hayes was, you know, is what it was, you know, like it was like a we, it's probably best for both sides to take a different side there. [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, uh, other under the spectrum is the bet is the bent in our trade for me, at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would, why would the GM be public about there being, and maybe I'm, I miss heard what he said, but he was public about there being potentially bigger offers on the table for bed bar. [SPEAKER_02]: Like why, why would that be set out loud?
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was asked, you know, there are a lot of relievers, closers who were going for top one hundred prospects and [SPEAKER_05]: though and I heard something very similar that the pirate's asking price was, you know, one of those type of players and they don't get one of those type of players. [SPEAKER_05]: So that warrants an explanation of why you chose a package of players instead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think that if that info wasn't out, like if it hadn't been reported that that was their asking price, they probably wouldn't have had to say that. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think that's true? [SPEAKER_01]: Stump that like if it wasn't known what they were asking for, they wouldn't have had to kind of explain their return a little bit more. [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's fair.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, even if it wasn't everyone else got this and Miller went for the number three prospect of baseball, Mason Miller's pre-arb. [SPEAKER_05]: He's got more team control. [SPEAKER_05]: He is inherently more valuable as a player than David Benar. [SPEAKER_05]: But that's [SPEAKER_05]: you just trade in the number three prospect and baseball for a reliever. [SPEAKER_05]: That is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_05]: Terran got two top one hundred guys exactly, you know, for the team that needed closer helps. [SPEAKER_01]: For a team interested in David that darn. [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they were. [SPEAKER_05]: So it's. [SPEAKER_05]: They needed to address why they did not get a top one hundred prospect. [SPEAKER_05]: And they're high on flores. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: That's a about the catching situation going into next year.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Andy's going to see Dr. Neil Elitrage again this week. [SPEAKER_05]: So we don't know, you know, what his future is at the moment. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm I'm thinking worst case scenario there, but he's barely been able to play behind the plate the last two years. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how much you could put into that. [SPEAKER_05]: Joey Bart has regressed this year. [SPEAKER_05]: Henry Davis has not hit this year.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know how you feel particularly comfortable with catcher with your internal options right now. [SPEAKER_05]: So I get why they would look at someone like Flores as an attractive, you know, trade piece.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, either as a catcher or as a first base man, you know, there's different ways you can put them into the lineup there, but I, whatever you acquire two catchers for your biggest trade chip, it, I think says something about the state of your catching and the organization. [SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask some question? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just wanted to hear, I just wanted to hear his answer on the payroll question that I answered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_05]: I have nothing to add. [SPEAKER_05]: That's kind of why I just left it as I mean the posters that reported a couple years ago had some what I think to be a strong correlation right there and [SPEAKER_05]: Tenances down this year. [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not saying that's the only reason. [SPEAKER_05]: And there's a really easy way to refute that report.
[SPEAKER_05]: I will just I'll go on the record for saying that and that is to spend more money this off see him. [SPEAKER_05]: So that would that that would be my argument. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're tired of being called cheap.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, then just the last year the last year the Paul schemes is pre-arb would be a pretty good reason for me to stretch the payroll if I was running the ball club, but I am not I'm just someone with an opinion [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, and a great cowboy hat and a beautiful cowboy hat. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, let's don't take over my spot. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mean to hijack his whole interview here. [SPEAKER_01]: Although it was nice to be doing podcasting with stuff again.
[SPEAKER_01]: People say we were the Bucco Bansor before Bucco Bansor. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the Lentry. [SPEAKER_04]: Are you leaving us or are you just hanging around with your cowboy hat? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I got to be on the radio at seven oh five, but I just don't want to. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you guys want to have me, I guess we're about nine me three seven of fans, so it's fine. [SPEAKER_04]: Stick there until you have to leave stump. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll stay around for a little bit more. [SPEAKER_04]: We saw it with the nationals. [SPEAKER_04]: They let go of their manager and the GM at the same time before the drafts. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let alone the trade deadline. [SPEAKER_04]: And then the pirates let go of Shelton. [SPEAKER_04]: They kept cherries in on for the draft and then the trade deadline. [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of seems like it's trending towards him being back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's no moves that have been made where it's like ah, they're just kind of playing it easy until the next guy comes in and takes over. [SPEAKER_04]: Is that kind of your feel in the situation or is it just up in the air at this point? [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know enough to definitively, you know, just throw something out there if I think you'll be, you know, definitively think he's back or he won't be next year.
[SPEAKER_05]: My [SPEAKER_05]: I just want to go through how I think this scenario through. [SPEAKER_05]: The most appealing part of being a general manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates, in my opinion, if I was a new hire, is you can tear it down to the studs and you can build it in your own image. [SPEAKER_05]: That's kind of what they did with Cherington and Neil whenever they were hired as GMs. [SPEAKER_05]: You can't do that whenever you have Paul schemes on a pre-ARP contract.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whenever you have Jared Jones on a pre-ARP contract, whenever you have Bubba Chandler on a pre-ARP contract, [SPEAKER_05]: They really don't have that affordability right now. [SPEAKER_05]: So at least the way I view it. [SPEAKER_05]: Again, this isn't sources. [SPEAKER_05]: This is just my opinion at the matter.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you're going to be able to attract the type of GM where it will be marketably better because this is a job that you have a certain amount of payroll already locked up for next year. [SPEAKER_05]: You don't have a ton of financial flexibility like we talked about beforehand. [SPEAKER_05]: There is some, but you don't have enough to sign the two or three big free agents right there.
[SPEAKER_05]: you don't have as much control of the roster immediately because you cannot trade Paul schemes at this moment. [SPEAKER_05]: So what do you do? [SPEAKER_05]: I think all of that to say is people who say it's a foregone conclusion you have to get rid of Charentan. [SPEAKER_05]: I disagree with that. [SPEAKER_05]: There is a scenario where I see he does come back in twenty twenty six. [SPEAKER_05]: It could very likely end up coming to fruition.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think just right now this is [SPEAKER_05]: tough hand to be dealt. [SPEAKER_05]: And I think it'd be even a lot more appealing in a year or so where if they don't do well in twenty six and be like, okay, we got a tarot down. [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, okay, you can get a king's ransom for schemes at that point. [SPEAKER_05]: You can get us, you know, you could build the organization in a way that you want to see fit at that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think if I could? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was just going to say to add, I've thought along those lines too, but I recently thought like about the deadline. [SPEAKER_01]: Part of me could be convinced that like these moves are to set up a new GM and just as good of a spot as cherished and kind of like, you know, like they added low level prospects.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if a new GM were to come in, he could feel more comfortable trading a barco.
[SPEAKER_01]: or a tomorrow Johnson or a Thomas Harrington for an established like they could trade prospects for talent as opposed to normally being on the other end where they're training talent for prospects and they might have cleared up more money to be spent who's to say they want to chairing to be the guy to spend that money right like there there is logic they kept color to trade in the offseason
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe they wanted someone else to be the guy to keep or to trade a Mitch Keller like there's I think if like they would have traded Mitch this off or this deadline. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that would have been a hundred percent clear sign that then's coming back next year. [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that they retain their most valuable. [SPEAKER_01]: asset with years of control. [SPEAKER_01]: They added to the farm, which will allow them to make prospect trades.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they cleared up some room for spending. [SPEAKER_01]: I think you could create an argument there that says that yeah, maybe they're trying to make this a little bit more of an attractive position for another GM. [SPEAKER_05]: That's very fair too. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's a good opportunity for another GM.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing that gets to me is if this job was to open up, I don't think you are going to automatically get the best GM candidates to apply for this. [SPEAKER_05]: You are either going to wait for an opportunity with a bigger market team or a small low payroll team where you can build it in your own image. [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's kind of where they are right now. [SPEAKER_02]: I get the argument around Mitch Keller, but how about Bailey falter?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Bailey falters not Mitch Keller, but the guy had three years of control and you got a twenty-eight-year-old reliever and a guy who was an undrafted first basement out of a D-two. [SPEAKER_02]: Shouldn't the guy like Bailey falter a guy that has commanded a tough innings? [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck him like fuck him like knock it off. [SPEAKER_02]: Be nice for one day. [SPEAKER_05]: This book of my comment on the hats. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, cut it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably said a whole bunch of mean things. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even me. [SPEAKER_05]: Should you open it? [SPEAKER_05]: Should you keep it sealed? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like baseball cards. [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, shouldn't a guy like a Bailey falter bring back more even I know he's like more of a back end starter, but he three years of control in Exeter.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd think someone would bring back more than a twenty eight-year-old reliever and an undrafted low-A first baseman. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, no me were both told that he was a non-tender candidate at the end of the season. [SPEAKER_05]: Non-tender, there's no [SPEAKER_05]: I disagree with that. [SPEAKER_05]: I think a guy with a four low four ERA with three years of team control who's going to throw a hundred, four, eight hundred, fifty innings.
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely is worth tending a roster spot or trading him to a team that would, but you know, that's not the here nor there. [SPEAKER_05]: That's how he has Angelini has struggled. [SPEAKER_05]: They obviously didn't find a trade package. [SPEAKER_05]: They like they obviously didn't feel comfortable with, you know, getting what they wanted for Mitch Keller in return. [SPEAKER_05]: So the way I view it is [SPEAKER_05]: They have Bubba Chandler and Johan Oviato.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is a need for bullpen help right now, or rotation openings right now. [SPEAKER_05]: And Bailey was like, OK, we'll trade him then. [SPEAKER_05]: That was Plan C the way I kind of view it right now. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we couldn't trade the rental and we couldn't trade our long-term control blasts. [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll go with the guy who maybe wasn't going to be on the team next year anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you could also make the argument like, and it could just be a product of the time where the deal was made, but Luis Ortiz, Yoda Jew. [SPEAKER_04]: a major league bat.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I know it wasn't one with experience, but you can make the argument that Bailey falter has been more consistent and better than Luis Ortiz, who it's not even playing right now, and you still couldn't get somebody that's even close to contributing to the major league level, at least from the offensive side. [SPEAKER_01]: I bet. [SPEAKER_01]: That's super. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just making a joke.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the part that really got me is the value of starting pitching is at an all-time high. [SPEAKER_01]: Has there ever been a trade that Ben made, where you think that they got more value than they should have? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_05]: At the time, Jaymo. [SPEAKER_05]: We just lost that trade, by the way, we just lost that trade. [SPEAKER_05]: That's why I preface it with at the time. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: All right, Pete, my coals goto.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but like, I don't know, I look at the Bailey falter trade. [SPEAKER_05]: And I, like Noah said, you know, you have players to trade in the organization in Harrington is a candidate, you know, for that. [SPEAKER_05]: How good is the track record of trading started pitching for Major League talent? [SPEAKER_05]: right now. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's particularly that good right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: What about saying that they couldn't find a trade partner for a guy that's not going to be on the team next year? [SPEAKER_04]: Like does that matter at all? [SPEAKER_04]: I know they said they didn't find a package that they liked, but like those guys aren't coming back anyway. [SPEAKER_04]: So why not just take a lottery ticket? [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, someone like he need, like worst case scenario can just dump them in the bullpen and he could eat innings, like who cares?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's always better to have a little too much starting pitching than a little [SPEAKER_05]: little like we saw the alternate last year whenever it's like okay Jake Woodford starting a really important game in August now so like it's better to have that but yeah there is an argument of like you take what you get but I just don't know if there really any offers at all for like the fams or hines
[SPEAKER_02]: And not the belabor at this point, but it's talking about taking what you can get. [SPEAKER_02]: I think they could have gotten more lottery picks for guys like a Caleb Ferguson trade, like you mentioned earlier stomp. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, this guy could end up being a nobody or he could be like a Johnny Severino, what we got in return for Carlos Santana, who came out to be a good bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's regress a little bit this year in Braynton, but still like [SPEAKER_02]: to get a return like that for a guy on a one year deal. [SPEAKER_02]: It's an older first basement. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a good return. [SPEAKER_02]: They could have done that for a Andrew Heaney or I don't know who else ever else was on a one year deal on IKF is a free Asian after this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was expecting more of those trades at towards the last hour and we just didn't see that. [SPEAKER_02]: We instead we saw a dump of Bailey falters, the Kennedy Royals. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I can't help but conduct the dots there if the two of, well, we got to create some plane opportunity out of this and Bailey is the casualty. [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the other thing. [SPEAKER_01]: If you can't find a trade partner, which I just, I refuse to believe that to be the case.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think they realize, especially with the infielders, there's just no better alternative than I KF and Tommy Fam right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Like if they had anyone who could even remotely [SPEAKER_01]: give you hope of being a contributor regularly in twenty twenty six. [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys would be gone. [SPEAKER_01]: They would have just traded them for signing money or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, cash considerations. [SPEAKER_01]: but there's just no better options.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why they stuck with them. [SPEAKER_01]: He and you on the other hand, I don't get the idea of keeping him just because it's like, you have veteran leaders on the pitching staff. [SPEAKER_01]: Like you have Mitch, you have Paul, even, who can be your leaders. [SPEAKER_01]: And so when you're thinking about, oh, they didn't get the offer that they wanted, why don't you just, do you have him? [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're eating that salary anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: right so rather than just paying them to waste playing time that you could give to a younger player like if you couldn't find anyone to trade them to caught them not I mean not sourced here but just looking at how the game has progressed since the August you know trade deadline has been taken away I wouldn't be shocked if news breaks at those guys are you know on the waiver wire at some point just pick them up you know is like a seller like you're saying but you know yeah
[SPEAKER_05]: The worst case scenario is you trade, you know, an Andrew Haney for a DSL prospect, and then someone goes down and you're down to start at the rest of the way. [SPEAKER_05]: Like I said, like, there's no issue of just throwing Haney in the bullpen to eat eggs or whatever, or he could go five and dive at the end of the year.
[SPEAKER_05]: Or if you want to go with a six man rotation, the limit schemes innings and burrows innings and give Chandler a softer landing into the majors, like you have those options. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not defending it. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just kind of thinking out loud of why you don't necessarily have to dump him for a seventeen-year-old kid who never reached the majors when you could hedge the bed of like, okay, we've got someone who could help us for a month here.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we could ditch him and we won't get the seventeen-year-old kid, but that guy wasn't gonna get past-frame to anyway. [SPEAKER_04]: Is there a before we wrap it up here? [SPEAKER_04]: Is there a guy that the rest of the season means a lot to this team or there's somebody in the alternative somebody that you want to see get an opportunity that you think could be a big contributor in twenty twenty six come opening day. [SPEAKER_04]: We can start with some.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm ignoring Chandler, you know, as the obvious answer of like, you know, opportunity created one of seam in twenty six. [SPEAKER_05]: I'd like to see him divinity just get some swings in the major is just because. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I know he traded for him. [SPEAKER_05]: He's on the forty man roster. [SPEAKER_05]: See what he's got. [SPEAKER_05]: See if he can contribute as a utility man or whatever, you know, whatever comes to the left side of your infield.
[SPEAKER_05]: The garrows in the same boat. [SPEAKER_05]: I'd be starting him five times a week just to know definitively like what you got there. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Plus the Marta trade still up for debate. [SPEAKER_04]: So you got to kind of bring him alone. [SPEAKER_02]: It's still in the system. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_04]: What about you, Noah? [SPEAKER_01]: I just think Barco doesn't get talked about enough either.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, like, I've been pounding the table of like, get these guys up here. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I see no issue with Barco coming in and having us the same exact role as Braxton, just being a left-handed Braxton Ashcraft. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think even if his workload, and he's a guy probably could benefit from having a lower, a lighter workload in these last two months. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think you got to get these arms up here, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: If there was one hitter that gave me any sort of confidence that could be an everyday starter next year, I'm not saying will, I'm saying should be or could be. [SPEAKER_01]: Then yeah, get them up here too, but like Ronnie Simon, Nick, York, Bill, Cook, like those guys shouldn't be your everyday starter next year. [SPEAKER_01]: If they organically end up playing their way into that opportunity, that's great. [SPEAKER_01]: But that shouldn't be the plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marco and Bubba on the other hand, like those guys should be in consideration. [SPEAKER_01]: They can help your team one. [SPEAKER_01]: They're better than people who are currently on the roster. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_04]: I agree. [SPEAKER_04]: No, you got to get out of here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this cowboys got to be hitting the old dusty trail. [SPEAKER_01]: That was going to be my side off, damn it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Stump fight you let me uh get you here in the uh there we go move at the stage there we go okay you are not know a hiles you are Alex Stump what last question for me uh Bubba Chandler what we were talking about it hey we could have picked up [SPEAKER_04]: On a dates earlier in the year where this is Bubba Chandler weekend, he was tearing it up. [SPEAKER_04]: Everything was going right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then it just kept dragging out to the point where everybody deals with it in baseball where you go through a slump, whether it be offensively or just from the pitching side. [SPEAKER_04]: Did that slump or like the inconsistency really play into them calling him up or was it just always a plan to keep him down for this long? [SPEAKER_05]: It's my understanding the slump came out of bat time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I the way I had it and I'm reported on it was April May we're going to be a longer build up than what a lot of guys would do like we saw for any starts we saw five and dives whenever he had a pitch count where he could have easily gone another inning to [SPEAKER_05]: And then the June swoon happens and it kind of messed with the calculus of what they thought he was going to be up in the majors like I think at the beginning of the year.
[SPEAKER_05]: June would have been probably whenever he came up and then he had that slump there and you can't call him up. [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever he can't throw a strike right now you have to get him right there so that led to July that.
[SPEAKER_05]: led to where we are right now where he's not up in the majors and we're at a point where it probably makes the most sense for him to be caught up whenever you know he's going to hold his rookie status for twenty six and you can compete for one of those you know draft picks by having to be on the opening day roster. [SPEAKER_05]: It's. [SPEAKER_05]: It's rough but yeah I to answer the question yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's lump really came out in an opportune time and I think is the reason why he's not up in the majors right now. [SPEAKER_02]: My last question here, Steph. [SPEAKER_02]: How close are the pirates per reports to a Paul scheme's extension? [SPEAKER_05]: I have not heard anything in regards to a Paul scheme's extension, and I am not going to be contributing to any discourse on if it will be happening on that. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so there we go.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have heard nothing, and I would only be speculating from there. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, no. [SPEAKER_04]: Perfect. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: Something we appreciate you joining the show. [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have a sign off as well? [SPEAKER_04]: I know you might have stole your thunder there a little bit and anything come to mind. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, make my day Clint Eastwood or something like that. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, this is going to land horribly.
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