Hey, hey, hey, you got up there. Let me get well, you know, I figured, let me show my range.
She got your seat on your second wind, I see, I am Tiffany. Up, y'all, It's Mandy and this is brown ambition.
Brown ambition.
Easy question.
I'm tired today. It was one of those days where you're like, it's I guess, I don't know, feel like I did a whole bunch, but I don't know. I went to I had a doctor's apartment in the morning, and then I went food shopping, which I guess exhausted me. And then I thought, oh, I didn't go to the gym because I had at appointment. I walked to my meeting. I had a meeting like it was about twenty minutes away walking, So I walked. And let's just say it was a little bit more tiring than I anticipated. Oh
and I walked, Yeah, but I mean it was. It was a good thing. I interviewed for some new staff, and I had an interview with like Reader's Digest and like a few other calls. But like it it just for some reason, they exhausted me today. I don't know if it was the walk or what. But I'm taught it's.
Just hump day. Yeah, that too, No, I feel you. At least the weather is getting a little bit better. I feel like I can sleep through the night and not wake up like on a in a death sweat. It's nice.
That's always nice.
That's always nice. No things are things are good. I feel like even though so did I tell you all about my what's been happening with my team at work? Basically we doubled in the span of two weeks, so it's been a little hectic, But I I'm feeling pretty good. I think that I've definitely learned how to manage craziness at work a lot better, Okay, And I'm grateful that the I had a I did that that sort of
management training and last December. It's almost been a year now, and the people that I met there have been just like this phenomenal source of support. So I went out for drinks with a few of them on Monday night and it was exactly what I needed. Just like some non friend, like non like regular friends, non husband, non coworker, just like objective kind of peers to kind of talk about and bounce ideas off and just vent about what's
happening and it was. It was really great. It was like the perfect use of my time after work on Monday. And I feel like that really gave me some motivation and some energy to carry me through the rest.
You know, I've been trying to do how often do you do like you know, like face like I call it like face time. So one of the things I told myself because I'm always like like, it doesn't mean like I don't not go outside, but I was only going out if it was like, oh I have to go out for the budgeties said oh I'm gonna go speak today or I'm taking a flight somewhere. But I wasn't spending as much time FaceTime with like family and friends.
So now I've got like a rule for myself where like I talked on the phone with my my friends and stuff every day, which is good because I'm like, Okay, you have to talk to at least one or two friends today, non work related, just the key key check. But like the FaceTime part was hard, and so I've been telling myself at least once a week, I have to you know, dinner, lunch, whatever, walk in the park with with like you know, a friend and get some
face them in like, you know, just connecting. And so I'm probably gonna go to dinner tonight with my my friend Cabrel. But I I had a meeting with It was an older friend of mine who I had seen in a while. That's why I walked, and I was like, you know, let me go actually go see her for this meeting, because it would be nice to get some FaceTime because it when you're an entrepreneur, especially if you're in a digital space, it's very easy to just be like you and your computer, you know.
Yeah, I was gonna say it because you work from home most of the time. So yeah, that's a good rule of thumb. Once a week. Once a week's a lot like for I mean, I try and do once a month. It's getting a lot harder to see friends because it's not even the distance anymore. It's the friends who have kids. You don't really see them that often anymore.
And yeah, and sometimes I'm like, Okay, I understand there's a season, there's a time when you don't see each other as often as you want to, but as far as like not so when I kind of put them in those different buckets, like the close friends who actually see more sparingly, I feel like, so when I see them, I try and play like special, Like I'm actually having my best best friend who I haven't seen in a
month because she's been traveling. I've been traveling. We're having a girls' night, We're gonna have a sleepover, We're gonna have quality, you know, time to catch up tomorrow night. And that's like a once every couple months type thing. But then when I get together with people from like my industry, like my peers, I try and do that once a month because they're they have crazy schedules. And also I like to let like enough, I like to let enough days go by so you have stuff to
talk about. So you think about that, I'm like, what are we gonna talk about? Let me let some life go by and let me have something to bring to the table, you know. And it's nice to check in with them every month or so.
But it's been a Honestly, it's been great because what I'm finding is I'm actually meeting with friends who I don't normally see. So like my friend Joy, I had lunch with her like the last week or the week before or last and I hadn't seen Joy in like a few years and even though Joy lives in the same city that I live in, so my regular every day friends like Brina is my best friend, we talk every day, Linda is my best friend, we talk every day or every other day. And Cabrello is one of
my really great friends. We talk all the times. So I've got like a core group of friends who I talk to and typically see more. But what I'm seeing is the FaceTime rule has create we did this great opportunity to like hang out with friends who I don't talk to and I never see. So it was it was just it's just been really nice and it's not a chore. It's just like I'm wanting to, like, you know, make a more I hate the word balance, so I
call it harmonized, like harmony over balance. So instead of trying to hold all things the equal measure, which was what balance means to me, more like, okay, how do I make sure that all things are working collectively together for the greater good of me? And so a more harmoniziced life. So yeah, so today it was nice to get like a little harmony in.
That reminded when you said, when you said wellness expert, someone had asked a question and I don't have the name, but she wanted to know because before you had talked about like getting a productivity expert or productivity coach or something, and it's been a while since we had an update, and she wondered, if you've if you've found anybody I've done anything to that end.
I did. Her name is Danielle, don't get me her. Her companies called Strategic Candy. And so it was between Danielle and this other young woman named Rose. And I chose Danielle from Strategic Candy because she was very techy and I am not. And I remember thinking to myself, we don't really have like a super tech brown girl on the team. And I'm so glad that I chose Danyelle for that role. Because it's as soon as thy Yelle came on, promptly all of our tech started falling apart.
It was crazy. I was like, oh, a website's not waking great, like like literally everything started to crumble. And Danielle she came in originally to help us get more organized as a team, but she spent the first three or four months saving us because our tech started to to break and you know, like through no fault of like anyone. It was just like, oh, the rules are changing here, or this has expired, or you know, like the websites that you're using no longer can for what
you're doing. And Danielle saved us. So it took a few months to get our tech kind of like updated. And then she made a suggestion of us switching from go Daddy, which is what we were using, to this other hosting platform called name Cheap because it was gonna save us, you know, hundreds of hundreds of dollars a year, thousands of dollars in our in our business lifetime. And so that transition was not an easy one because we had so many domains and all this other stuff. So
that took like another a couple of weeks. We finally made the transition. She made sure that all of our websites were you know how like those uh uh they made us. You changed from https to h or from http to HTTPS. So when you're on a website, there's like this law now where they're like it has to be secure, so you have to get basically the S added and and that was a whole other thing, and I'm like, I don't know what these things mean. So Danielle did so well that I ended up hiring her
full time. Actually made her offer today.
Wait, but this doesn't sound like a productivity expert for Tiffany. That's yeah, they were hiring.
I was, but all of our tech fell apart and Dyelle was super techy. So but one thing she did help us with is one she well, I wanted a productivity coach for me, but more so for how do we manage the team better? And well, some of your issues are tech issues, so that that that's why we were struggling. So she said, you know, you don't have a product management tool, so we're implementing that. She was, like, the way that you guys handle emails is kind of janky,
so she fixed that. She said, so the way that we handle passwords is like causing it. It creates more work, So she fixed that. So she fixed more so our systems versus like me like personally as Tiffany. And so I hired her today to come on as my executive admin because I said, Okay, now that our systems are fixed, now I want you to help me, you know, because it took just this long to get our systems shick. I didn't think we I didn't realize that we had
like a technical systems issue. I just thought like, oh, taking really disorganized. And she's like, no, you guys are not as unorganized as you think. It was more of a systems issue, like you know, like your your your foundation, you know. And so I was like, oh, yes, exactly, process is issue. And I said I didn't realize because like I had built the team and the company sans
technology because I didn't have it. So I was like, well, I was building around technology because I was like I don't know how to use that, so we'll just do it like this, you know, like I'll give you an example, which is so terrible, Like all of our if you needed a password, we had a Google doc with every password of like all hundreds of our passwords. So anybody could have had this and be like, oh I own your company.
Now what that's crazy. I would never do that for myself.
And so I was like, she was like, is this real life, Tiffany, This can't be so if you like, we had like a Google password sheet for our finance team, our marketing team, so if you change a password on one sheet, you'd have to go to all the everybody else's sheet and tames the password and sometimes you forget and everyone's like in slack, like, hey, does anybody know the password for for you know, Stripe? No I changed it? Did you change? It? Was a mess and she was okay, yeah,
so you see what I mean. So a lot of what Danielle did was like it's almost like when you're renovating a house. She fixed our plumbing and our electrical and the things that you don't see in a home. But so now we're running so much more smoothly. And now that that's kind of we can kind of close up the walls. Now she's coming on board. Actually helped meet Tiffany, and so, like I said, I just made her an offer today. I was like Danielle, She's like, I know, I came to this one thing. Tiffany. I'm
so sorry. I'm like, no, a girl. I mean, I'm so happy that you fixed our processes because we can't build on a shaky house, and so now we can we can build from there. And so much has happened. Like one of the things that we've gotten better at, Like so I have my online academy, the literature academy.
We redid one of our websites, and our churn rate, which is the rate that people leave the academy, was got as high as twenty one percent at one point, meaning like for every hundred people that signed up, twenty one canceled because we weren't as organized as we needed to be. Within this six month span, our turnd rate went down to six percent. That's tremendous. That means instead of twenty one people leaving, only six people are leaving
for every hundred. That's tremendous. Like, you know, our lifetime value of a customer, so before somebody would join with us the academy is like ten bucks a month, and each person would spend about one hundred and fifty dollars with us before leaving. Now our lifetime value per customer it's almost three hundred dollars, So people are spending twice as long with us. And so like all of these, like the processes and the organization behind the scenes, I mean,
it has translated into real changes in actual money. And as a result, I've been able to give higher two new people full time. I've been able to give raises because I always tell the team that like, as the company does better, so should you. So, you know, Danielle being here, it's it's it's it's it's been transformational, and that it's not just helped me personally to have a smoother, better running like you know, team, it means that my team can make more and I can actually hire more people.
And it's all Brown Girl Magic book up in here. In Jabrill, my business partner, I always say, I'm like, yeah, it's brown Girls and Gebro Andbrill. No.
I the value of having an outside person come in, and I think like consultants, you know, capital c consultants like professional ones get a bad rap. But you don't need to have big money to just have someone with like you said, you found someone with a certain skill set or with a certain talent just come in and like take a look at how you're running things and
make suggestions on how to make them better. And that's something that any business manager, like whether you're an entrepreneur or you work for a company, Like anybody can do that, you know, just having someone from another department that you don't work with every day come and take a look at how you do things and then make and like they'll point out things that you never thought of, like man,
why are you doing this this way? And that's part of the reason I love having those those peer like those peer meetups with people I know who are working in media and other companies because I can tell them how I do things and learn how they do things, and then seal ideas from them and try and incorporate
them into what I'm doing. And it also it's nice when they, you know, either compliment something that you're doing or they take one of your ideas, and that that idea exchange is so so crucial to success.
Because sometimes you're so used to walking on like a broken leg that you forget that, like not everybody's limping, you know, yeah, you know. So yeah, it's been great, and so I'm excited for the next phase, which is now more organizing me and the way I am as a leader. So I'm excited that we finally got to like what I originally hired her for. So like, like I'm honestly, I really think that by this time next year it's going to be a will be a totally
different company. I'm hoping to triple, it's not quadruple what we make because I want to be able to My goal is to be able to hire everyone full time to be able to our twenty twenty goal is to make the average income six figures. So we have like a goal sheet and a goal chart and like a specific like a game plan of getting there, and to be able to offer health insurance as well as retirement benefits.
So that's our twenty twenty goal. So health insurance, retirement benefits will go on to effect early next year, and we should be like halfway to our goal by early next year, because we're about I want to say, thirty
percent to our goal now. And so this is a goal that we set forth earlier on in the year because I feel like this that I want to run a company and just my life and that everyone that I touch should benefit, meaning that if so dream Catchers, you know, y'all your benefit because we give away financial information for free or super low cost on purpose. But the people that help make that goal reality, they should
benefit too. They should be paid well, and you know, and so and any partner that I'm like, hey, you know, I love your tool, you should benefit. I just feel like that I want to create a win win win environment where everyone involved in the process, everyone receiving and everyone giving benefits. And my team is so amazing, and I want them to say I make more than enough to support myself and my family. Most of them are moms,
with a lot of them have young kids. When I first started, like really building my team last year, honestly, Mandy, I was paying eleven dollars an hour out of pocket because the business wasn't making any money. Like the budget Nista was making some but the academy wasn't making any money. It was failing. But I believed in it because I was like, no, there has to be a way to offer next level services to women, especially women of color, and not charge your arm and alike I refuse to
charge more than ten bucks a month. I's like, no, there has to be a way. I hadn't figured it out yet, so I was paying people from my savings account, and I was like, all I could afford was eleven dollars an hour, and people worked for me like people work for me. And now those same people make five figures, you know, like a decent five figure salary within a year, and so we are approaching that goal of six figures.
And I'm just always grateful that people stuck with it, and obviously they weren't there for the money because I wasn't able to pay much. And now we pay a decent salary, but not as much as I want. And I just can't wait for the day where I'm like, I can pay one hundred thousand dollars like on average to the people on my team, you know, like that would make me feel like just awesome, knowing that you get to do good work, you know, you get to make good money, and you get to help good people.
And so that's my ultimate goal for everyone involved.
If only every CEO also felt the same way about their company, because I think at a certain point, you get to like, you know, I watch these shows on CNBC, like The Profit, and these experts come in and the first thing they they say, it's, okay, how do we reduce costs? And if that if the cost is employees, it's like, okay, who we're going to cut? Or you know, how can we outsources out of the country so we
can save money on headcount and stuff. And I mean, I think that that's extraordinary and unique, and it's not something that all business owners think about, especially when you're you know, most everybody is worried about the bottom line and how to do that. But that's an awesome goal, Like how can you run a profitable business but also make the people who work for you profitable and successful as well?
There's a great uh you know the guy, uh what is that Sam Adams, like the be the guy who started at the Founder. I was listening to him on interview and that's what kind of like it gave me the spark. He was like, I am the average worker of his who work for work for Sam Adams, I think makes like seventy five thousand dollar years something like. He's like, these are you know, these are not like the jobs are not like oh CEO or you know,
CFO whatever. These are just regular, regular people with regular jobs. But the average worker makes seventy five thousand and I thought to myself, and he said he did it perfect because he came from a blue blue collar, working class family. And he was like, I wanted to have good jobs for good people. And I remember thinking like, well, what does that look like for you, Tiffany, how do I do that for your team? And so I'm obsessed with
our numbers. Honestly, like my CFO and I we talk two or three times a week, like I'm the numbers and numbers, because one of the ways you do that is that you have to figure out for your industry what percentage of your payroll what's what's safe. So for a service industry, thirty percent of where gross income can go toward payroll. That's kind of like the max. Now, if you've got like a like let's just say you have glasses, so you can't do thirty percent of your payroll.
It might be fifteen percent of your payroll because you have also buy inventory for glasses. But we don't have to buy inventory. So knowing that, I hover our payroll amount at about twenty twenty five percent maximum, because what that means is that I never miss I have never missed a payroll if even have to pay for it out of pocket. And so I'm always very strategic and that as we grow, we're not going to go above that twenty twenty five percent mark because that guarantees that
we don't miss payroll. It guarantees that I, if I make your promise that now you're making fifty thousand dollars a year, that I'm not over extending myself because maybe maybe we could afford sixty, but that would put us on the edge. So I much rather say one hundred percent fifty than sixty percent sixty, you know, And like I make That's the way I think when we're as I elevate and grow businesses that I don't make a payroll promise that we can't keep one hundred and ten percent.
And two. One of the things I tell Rachel my CFO is I want us to have and we have this now, a year's worth of payroll saved, because I'm like the biggest worry where I remember what it felt like when my school closed and they told us three days before school was supposed to open, and we want I had no money. The summertime was just wrapping up, so I had already spent all of my summertime savings.
And we're supposed to start school September third, and it was September first, and they're like, oh yeah, so no school. And I'm like, but what am I supposed to do about my bills? What am I supposed to be about my mortgage? It was so disruptive and that stuck with me and I said, I will never ever do that to someone. So we keep a year's worth of savings. So let's just say the federal government changes the law and says no more financial education online, or the budget needs to
has a scandal, or the academy closes. I can still pay employees for a year until we figure out what to do, or until we wrap up the company and say, unfortunately we're out of business, but you have a year to feed your families, figure out what to do, figure out that you're going to tell you how you know, whatever it is that you're going to do, because I
said I would never put somebody else through that. But so yeah, we're just really careful because I use what it felt like being an employee to be like, well, how do I how do I give my employees what I needed as an employee to feel financially secure and safe? And that's why having like the processes and the systems and all the other stuff, because I if something were to happen to me, I want to make sure that
they're okay if I'm not here anymore. We have things in place that they'll still be able to run the company and be okay with without me. It's a lot, honestly, being an entrepreneur. I just thought I was gonna help people with budgets you know, I thought I was gonna come to your house and say hey, Mandy, And this is how you say I didn't think. I didn't. I didn't know what was going to be all of that. And I'm grateful for the for the ability to do this,
but it's so much more than just that. It's the people who are involved. It's just so much more and it's fulfilling. But it's also a little scary because when I talk to Rachel on the phone and I hear her baby crying, you know, I'm like, oh my god, it's not just at ch'all. I just has to work for all of us, and Tamar and her her nine year olds in the background. It's not just it's just not just Tamra. It's her nine year old. It's not just YadA Les, it's her, you know, a one year old.
It's just so many people, you know, are dependent on this working, and so it's a lot of pressure. But it's also like, really, like I said, a lot of fulfillment to be able to do this work.
Yeah, I don't screw it up, I know right now.
I'm like, jeez, this is why I work so hard. When people are like people get mad when they ask you to do stuff for free, or they're like, Tippy, can you do this, this and that? And I'm like, I really can't, and they're like I thought you were for the people. I'm like, yo, I work seventy week. Like it's when I'm saying I can't, it's not because I'm trying to be like Bougie to be like I can't.
I can't because it's like at some point I have to be a wife, Like at some point, I've got to make dinner for Supergirl, like I have to save something for like my niece, my nephew, my sisters, my cousins, my you know. And I don't even say it as much as I ought to, quite honestly. I I'm always feeling guilty about not spending enough time on like real Tiffany life because I give so much to everybody on the outside. So yeah, it's a lot of pressure. And I, you know, I was like a C student. I don't
know where all this is coming from. I don't know.
I like it seems like, well, obviously you're learning a lot on the go, and it's not like it's your first It's not like you just started the Budgetista yesterday. Come on, you've been doing this for a long ass time. But I also think that just the emphasis when you're working, when you have a team and or you're building a team on not just paying them but then also creating
a loyal team. And one way it sounds like you're doing that is by giving them like a stretch, like letting them know what your vision is like for their futures in the future of the Budgetista and you know, or Tiffany Incorporated or whatever it's going to be, and how they fit into that overall picture. Because that's something that that's something that drives me every day at my job.
Is not just the paycheck that I get. I mean, that's nice, but it's also the fact that I'm constantly being challenged, fact that you know, my my my boss and manager keeps me in the loop about what's coming up, that coming down the road and what I can expect, and that motivates me. And it's not always just tied
to pay. And also I think it creates loyalty, especially in this job market, Like there's articles in the paper about how some employers can't even get people to show up for interviews because the job market is so good right now, people are just not showing up. They can take any job that they want. I mean some places they can't even fill positions because everyone is so highly educated now, or there's just all these jobs out there, so it's it's it's definitely like an employee an employees
market at this point in time all that. Oh yeah, yeah, it seems I mean, I don't think in all industries, but personally, I know I've struggled to hire editors and writers when I've had open positions because it seems like everyone in their mom is hiring a content team right now to do to writing, to you know, to be a writer and editor. And I've had so many headhunters reach out to me about open executive editor positions at other at other companies, and I'm like, oh, well, I'm fine.
It just seems like, yeah, the judge, the economy is doing really well and people are hiring, so to retain employees, it takes so much more. That's why you see these
companies have to compete. I mean, that's why you see these companies offering crazy maternity and family lief benefits now, because not because they have to, obviously, they don't because not the federal government requires it, but as a recruitment effort, you know, conference budgets like extra stuff, the sprinkles, the you know, and as it and I'm talking to anyone who's a full time employee, I mean, I think that's you have to look at those tangential benefits and if
you're not getting them from an employer, start looking elsewhere or start asking for them, or you know, it's you know, if you're an employee, excuse me, if you're an employer and not finding other ways to add value to your employees experience. You can't take for granted that they're just going to show up because they need a paycheck, you know.
Because they can get a paycheck anywhere.
And these days, yeah, these days, wow, it's not too it's not twenty ten anymore, where everyone's just like begging for whatever. When a Mandy Woodroff was willing to take a ten thousand dollars paycheck just to get any job. Those days are gone, at least for the time being. And it's super difficult to recruit as managers out there. So if you've got a good loyal team, they're worth like gold.
There are and honestly, our team is like magic Mandy. Honestly, there's there's not a day that doesn't go by that I don't shake my head. And I'm not like, yo, how everyone is so dope? Like what I think of, Like Sylvia who helps me to manage the Facebook group. It's three hundred and fifty thousand women with all these different mindsets and egos and this and that, and Sylvia
manages it with like grace and poise and humor. And when like one time she switched positions to something else in the in the group fell apart in like three days, and I was like Sylvia, and she is just hilarious and funny. And somehow, because literally the face Facebook, social media can be very place, and somehow she keeps that place light and when she's there, the negativity is down to next to nothing. And I'm like wow. And you know, I think about yad aleast when she came out. She
was an intern. She's like twenty, like twenty three, twenty four years old, and she was like her millennial eyes were like, why do courses look like this? This is not it's not cute, it's not it's not easy to navigate. And she came and totally transformed the way we deliver some of our coursework and it's beautiful now. And she's amazing.
And I think of Rachel, who like, Yo, Rachel, I've got three companies that she manages the finances for and somehow keeps it all together and has every number that could ever dream of. I'm like, Rachel, what about the on the fifth of November at two pm? How did we do?
You know?
And she's awesome. And then like I said Danielle who I talked about, she is also be Karen. Oh my god, Karen is my Everybody on the team has like we call ourselves a like a we have a buddy system and then everyone has someone who is their buddy who knows how to do their core deliverables just in case they're sick or just don't feel like it, so you know, you can hit your buddy up and say, girl, can
you help me today? So Karen is my buddy, and so she has to know how to do all that I know how to do, except for like the financial education piece, like standing on stage. But so Karen is like she just started. And when I say sometimes she's more tivity than Tiffany. She's amazing and Jabrell, my business partner, who I am so blessed and had. He took us from six figures to seven figures in a matter of
a few years. And yeah, the team is I don't even know what I would do without them, honestly, and they worked tirelessly. I mean, I'm like, you think I don't sleep, I'm like, do you guys sleep? And I don't even have a kid. I mean, I have Supergirl,
but Supergirl's grown, she's like twenty five. I mean she's eleven, but you know, girl in adult years, an eleven year old girl as a twenty five year old man basically, And so like, yeah, no, it's just And then at the same time, you know, trying to renovate the house and you know we're still newly wets all the other stuff. But yeah, no, but that was a good I know, that was a deep dieting. Really how much I did get off my chest? Sorry guys for the rant. No, no more business talk for a while.
No, I think it's so insightful and it's for me.
I mean, obviously I knew that you have such a great mind for business, but not just business, but people first, and that people first orientation because I've worked for a lot of companies and a lot of different you know, and I've seen a lot, and I feel like that I understand why they're working so hard for you, because you care about them and you're working just as hard as they are, and you know, you have all the everything I think that people will be looking for in
a like a quick growing where you can come in on the ground floor, like be a part of something that's growing and see that growth is so like, nothing's more rewarding than that. So as long as you don't screw it up, I'm kidding, I love you.
We have some awesome coquestions.
We do, got a couple questions in the inbox. All right, So a first question comes from listener Keisha. Keisha says, first of all three people, Tiffany started their emails with so, and I feel like you're starting to have an impact on the people.
Yo. That is so terrible because that is not the way you started sending some.
Don't start saying that way. So Tiffany says, so, I mean sorry. Keisha says, So, I am this close to getting a student loan. I'm in graduate school and only make enough through my assistantship. To cover my mortgage bills and a few expenses. I don't currently have any student loans, but I want to have a cushion, and I know that I could pay off student loans when I graduate. Should I get the loan or struggle to use my credit card for the next two years until I graduate?
Are there any loans with low interest for two years? Help? I just don't want to ask my mom for help.
He's a girl.
Good question. So pros and cons of taking out student loans for I know a lot of people who go to grad school or you know, and and use student loans for living expenses, not just for you know, to pay their tuition or whatnot. But yeah, the pros and cons of doing that versus relying on credit cards.
Yeah, I mean, but like she said her she has an assistantship at at the school.
Yeah, so she's she's obviously she's like a TA and she has enough earnings from that assistanship position to cover her mortgage bills. So like the essential, So she's good. It sounds like what she's looking for as a cushion, okay, And she sounds pretty sure of herself that she'll be able to pay it off. When she graduates.
Yeah, we're all sure of ourselves. Like I say this that like, I mean, well, here's the thing. I mean. If you're saying student loans versus putting everything on a credit card card, that's one thing. But if you're saying student loans versus I just have to live tight for
you know, two or three years, that's another thing. I don't want you to choose credit cards over student loans because honestly, I'm I'm assuming the credit card interest rate is gonna be higher than the student loans on interest rate. You know, Like if you're gonna borrow anyway, I wouldn't choose a credit card, you know. But if you're saying I could do it, it would just be really tight, honestly, like knowing what I know now, because I didn't. My
undergrad student loans were like next to nothing. I think it was all a sudden that maybe like a fifteen hundred I had to pay off because my parents paid for a lot of it. But then I went on to get my I went to graduate school and I got like a real grown women suitent loans. Fifty thousand dollars later, I have not you know, I wasn't well they've now since been paid off, but I wasn't able to pay them off right away because the things happen
in the economy that we're out of my control. Yeah, so I if you absolutely cannot make it without some sort of loan, then I would look into it. But if you can, then I I would try to not get any loan and not relying on credit cards because those Yeah, that's not a good idea either.
I mean scrimp, I would say, scrimp, scramp, scrimp, and just but you know, try and lasts as long as you can without student loans. If you're meeting your monthly debt obligate or your monthly expense obligations, and you have enough for food and for the essentials, then I don't think it's necessary to lean on student loans, even if you want a cushion. The only like, so let's just
look at the number. So right now, if you were to take out unsubsidized student loan federal student loan for grad school, the interest rates the fixed interest rate is six point six percent for twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, and that's significantly lower than credit card debt. Obviously, So if you're looking like apples to apple, apples to oranges, you know which one's a better idea. Yes, a federal student
loan is a low interest form of borrowing. But if you can avoid borrowing altogether, how much better is that?
Yeah? Nope.
And if you're going to borrow, I mean, if you decide to, I mean, ultimately it's your decision. But I think you're maxed out at borrowing up to what like twenty thousand dollars per year. This is just for federal loans, I mean, if you're thinking about getting a private loan, here's what do not do not do not do not. There are federal student loans available for grad school and you want to max out your federal aid before you
even think about going to private school. Debt first and foremost, But federal student loans you should be able to get about. You could get up potentially up to twenty thousand dollars per year for grad school, but you may not need that much, So don't take it just because you're eligible for it. It's what I'll say. You know, if you really only want a cushion, you only need a few months.
If you're just looking for an emergency fund of some kind, then you may just want to think, Okay, what do I need to live for a few months, and then that's the max that you borrow to be to be your source of emergency fund while you're in school. It's only two years, you.
Know, yeah, yeah, because it could a lifetime of student loans are something else. Like I one of the things I want for Supergirl is to make sure she doesn't have them, because it's just this like anchor around your neck and you're not able to You're not able to sail away with this amount of debt dragging you back. And knowing what I know now, I would not have one taken out as much as I did, and too, I would have found some alternatives before, you know, going
for a student loans. One thing I did do, Mandy, though, like you said, is like my student loans for graduate school were federal student loans, say goodness, And I didn't get private student loans.
Yeah. You know, some people just skip over federal altogether. They think, oh, I'm in grad school, now you know, new rules apply. And I got to go to the bank down the street, to like Wells Fargo or whatever and just take out a private loan. And of course these banks aren't going to be like, oh, you know, you're eligible for all this federal student loan you know money instead of course not, They're just going to take your money and laugh all the way to the bank.
And of course they'll have higher interest rates than what you can find through federal loans, but definitely, and you have to fill out the FASTPA to see if you're eligible the same way you did an the same way you might have done an undergrad to see how much federal aid, which includes federal loans, you may qualify for.
And I don't, I can't, I don't know this. I'm not an expert in this, but the FASTPA is also a way to see if you're eligible for federal grants or other sort of aid options that may be offer it maybe possible for you to take advantage of that may help you the same way that you're looking for a loan to help you with extra expenses. So it may be worth just filling out the FASTA to see what types of aid you qualify for in addition to to you know, traditional student loan.
Aid, Yeah, no, for sure, and yeah I'm struggling for a little bit, so you can soar for a lot is it's worth it.
I thank God for the days I struggled man just making my seven dollars an hour at Col's. I didn't know any better, But I'm glad I didn't know any better, because that's the reason I Elyn graduated with seven thousand dollars in debt.
Yeah. Sometimes sometimes ignorance truly is bliss.
Okay, let's do one more question real quick. So this comes from an anonymous listener says, I love both of your your lady's advice. I've been using it and it works. Thank you.
She says.
Okay, I only have one one debt right now, and that's a Discover card. Discovered credit card with a twelve thousand dollars limit. I owe eleven thousand dollars. Number one. I was wondering if I should use my visa that has a two thousand dollars limit with no fee to do a balance transfer and transfer some of my Discover card debt onto that card. Number two. Discover has a plan where for a year, for no fee and no interest, I can pay as much as possible in that year
on my card. The only thing is that for that year I can't use the card and I can only do this maybe once every other year, which is the best option. I want to do the right thing and get much and get as much paid off this Discover
card as I can in a year. So she's almost out this Discover card and she's wondering if she should try and do a balance transfer with this little Visa card that she has with two thousand dollars limit and then enroll in this Discover This is an interesting and I mean, I've never heard of this Discover plan, but either if they're seriously going to give you a year to pay off your card with no interest so long all you have to do is agree not to spend any money on it, Yes, do that.
I'll take that for eleven thousand, Alex.
Yeah, I'm like I need to look into this program because that's pretty fantastic.
Yeah.
I would go with that, and I would pay it down as fast as humanly possible because you're like maxing it out. That's that's no bueno. That's really dragging down your credit score, especially if it's one of the only credit cards that you have.
Because thirty percent of your credit score is your utilization, Like how much of your credit allotted to you? Are you actually using that's almost one third of your score. And so no, I think because basically what you're it's almost like Discover is it's like doing a but the balance transfer card is going to do without the balance transfer, which is the opportunity to pay down your debt without interest.
So there's no need to make that transfer, especially since the transfer would only be because what are you going to transfer two thousands? And then we maxed down on the second card, you know, so if Discover has that, go for it. And then it's actually a really good thing that they're like, and you can't use the card, Oh that's excellent. Put that card up, cut it up, and just focus on paying it off. I remember I literally at one point have you ever done this, Mandy?
When you're like you have to really take a look at yourself in the mirror and you're like what are you doing and you just have to cut your card up? I was like, what are we doing? Tiffany? So I like, you are in a ditch. You have to shovel in
your hand, and you're still digging. So I finally had to put my shovel down, which is my credit card, and I honestly I put it away, and for like six months to almost a year, I didn't use any credit because I was trying to dig my way out of debt while still digging my way into a hole. And so there's nothing wrong with saying I'm going to put the shovel down.
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