I don't like him. I don't dislike him. I don't respect him. I don't disrespect him. He's just a guy I saw on the front page of the newspaper for the first time four months ago, who happened to get my mother pregnant.
This is the voice of Lee, a woman now in her early fifties. She's the daughter of John Winfield. She's the product of a relationship he had as a teenager with a girl in Sydney's sutherland Shire. Lee is speaking in episode thirteen of Bromwyn, which is live now for the Australian subscribers at bromwynpodcast dot com.
That's all he is to me. He'll never be my dad.
He'll never be my father, will never be mates, will never sit.
Down and have a copper together.
I'll never break bread with him, purely because my grandmother would be disgusted in me if I did.
I'm Claire Harvey from The Australian. What you just heard is a small snippet from episode thirteen of Bromwyn, and in a moment will bring you a little more of this gripping interview that changes our picture of Bromwyn. Winfield's husband John over at bromwynpodcast dot com. Our subscribers are already listening to episode thirteen. That's the first episode of season two. Episodes eleven and twelve are also there, by
the way. They are subscriber exclusives, and they're where Headley, Mattie Walsh and I dig into some of the big questions raised by season one. Episode thirteen and the rest of season two will be subscriber first. That means, just like season one, you'll be able to hear those episodes right here wherever you listen to podcasts, but not until a fortnite after our subscribers have heard them. That's because subscriptions are the only way we can fund the kind
of deep, painstaking investigative journalism Headley darts. We're so grateful to our loyal subscribers, and we reward them with early access to episodes and some special bonus episodes like eleven and twelve. Now I'm going to play you a little more of what our subscribers are hearing right now at Bromwin podcast dot com. Here's Headley.
This first episode of season two is the story of a woman fathered by John, a woman who wants nothing to do with her father apart from her objective to help Bromwin and her family get justice.
We hear Headley with Mattie Walsh. She's Bromwin's cousin and someone who's been an invaluable help to Headley in this investigation.
All right, yeah, that's fine. Saturday morning. Saturday morning.
Tell me about this Facebook message?
Well, I actually got it at five pm yesterday, but I didn't process it until today. I got a message in my message request from a lady called Sonya and it says, Hello Andy and Maddie ree jw Does Jodie realize she is not his firstborn child? I'm asking you this as if she does, great, but if not, then I'm thinking that could throw a spanner in the works of her bond with her father. Perhaps the words needed for her and Lauren to question his truths pre nineteen
seventy two. I don't really have any info on him, except that the look in his eye and the way he treated women as a seventeen year old was not well received by a certain fifteen year old girl's mother, my grandmother.
This is the first contact from Lee, who will latter sit down for a powerful interview in which she tells Hedley. She previously went by the name Sonya. She's a fiercely smart woman who ultimately agrees to talk to Headley about her story, a story she's kept very close for her entire life. In a way, the truth is as plain as Lee's face, because, as we hear in episode thirteen, she is the image of her biological father, John Winfield.
The first time I ever saw his face was on the front page of.
Istra When you saw the man you know is your father for the first time, it was a photograph of him. In relation to this podcast, Romman correct must have come as quite a shop.
Honestly, I text my mom strayed away and said.
I'm growing my hair. You've just taken your cat.
Often when I first saw you downstairs in the lobby, it was struck by the likeness.
That part with my mum has been difficult.
There's a photo on my great aunt's TV and it's a photo of me in a school uniform at twelve or thirteen. And that photo on the front page where it has a mustache when he's younger, that's me.
That is that photo less than mustache.
And until I saw that, I never actually got what Mom was saying, because sometimes she'd say to me, oh, for God's sake, can you go and put a shirt on it? I just can't see your arms or your shoulders because I'm that much.
For her, a resemblance you.
Said before that you were very hopeful there would be a good outcome.
What do you believe is a good outcome for the girls?
Then, knowing what happened to Bronwin, the glued, the bad, the ugly, whatever it may be, they deserve to know there's got to be the heaviest load.
For them to carry.
Episode thirteen of Bronwyn is available right now at bronwynpodcast dot com, where the Australian subscribers get to listen first. Over this weekend of October twelve and thirteen, twenty twenty four, we'll also be releasing episode fourteen. Join us at bronwynpodcast dot com