Episode 9: The Lake

Listeners are advised that this podcast series Bromwin contains course language and adult themes. This podcast series is brought to you by me Headley Thomas and The Australian. After several days of replaying and considering everything that Judy Singh had described in episode seven, and he sounded like a man ready to make a citizens arrest over his sister's disappearance. There was anger below the surface. He was apprehensive about what would happen next with police. He was impatient for action,

Why did he have to prove to Michelle and produce a receipt for petrol and then again when I got home? Maybe whatever it was half an hour or say, forty minutes later, and then he gets the receipt out and wants to show it to me, and then we all I through to ninety eight and Glen Taylor, and one of the first things that he wants to do with Glen Taylor is showing a receipt for petrol and in Ballina for eleven oh six.

Evidence and the vivid recollections from people about John's reliance on the petrol receipt way back in May nineteen ninety three and over subsequent years has featured in a number of the recorded interviews I've done over the past several years. Clearly it's been on our minds well before we heard

I said, look, we want to go over again your movements on that night, and then he said, well look.

I sat there for a while thinking what to do.

I had worked to finish off down there, and then he said, well, look, I've actually even got a receipt. I can show you I've purchased fuel for the car, and he took his wallet out. For years later, he still had this receipt in his wallet showing that he purchased fuel at eleven a six pm.

That night in Ballina.

He felt the need to retain.

That receipt all those years and still had it in his wallet. These were things that he believed that were prime things in his defense.

And what was the significance in your mind in that interview of him pulling out that piece of paper, the receipt, Well, look here I am.

I'm definitely in Balaner at eleven a six pm that night getting fuel.

How does that help him?

I don't know, but he seemed to think it was a fund significance that night to say I've given down servitation. I made a decision to go to Sydney. I needed to get fuel and this is where I filled up just before I started driving to Sydney.

He's not attempted to disguise the fact that he was at the house and that he was talking to his wife in the evening at the house. So it's a bit of a puzzle as to why that has been so important for him.

It is a puzzle and it still remains a puzzle.

Is there something that is missing in terms of understanding his latching onto that receipt as something significant? There's something that everyone's miss well.

I don't know why he wanted to show this, not only to the police but also to Roman's family members that here I am in Bow and look I've got this receipt.

It's still puzzling.

And were you able to verify the authenticity of the receipt.

There's nothing to suggest that the receipt was a forgery. In so it didn't appear that he did get fuel at eleven o six pm. But it's obviously going to take a number of hours to get to Sydney, and we've got evidence he had arrived down in Sydney to his ex wash home the next morning with the children, but we've got no other evidence to suggest where he may have gone during the course that night or after we dropped the children off.

This is Andy talking to me in September twenty twenty three, that's eight months before the first episode in the Bromin podcast. Series. I think we've got a lot of ground to cover, but let's resume this.

See the Blake Tarriday petrol receipt around in his's wallet for years and years, and all of a sudden could pull out this petrol receipt from a service station to say you got petrol.

Here's Andy's wife, Michelle. When we talked in the Shire in late February twenty twenty.

Four, he gets out his wallet and he's got like a little receipt that you get from the cashier, and to show me that he left at eleven o six pm from a service station, and then he put it back in his wallet. And I kind of thought to himself, why you show me that I don't care if you've got petrol, but.

Doesn't really show what time he left, does it?

No?

Because he could have got fuel or he could have done anything.

Madison Walsh and I puzzled over it in early February twenty twenty four when we met in a cafe in the Museum of Contemporary Art overlooking Sydney's circular Key.

I can't imagine after changing the loots on the house that she would willingly leave him with the house and the kids and just sleeps.

Also, why did John felt the need to keep for a seat from the petrol station for all those.

Years, carrying around in his wallet.

Yeah, that's not normal behavior unless you feel like you have to have a defense in some way.

And here's how the detective Graham Diskins summarized that in one of the internal police running sheets from early June nineteen ninety three. If it sounds familiar, that's because you heard this in episode five.

Had a long conversation with John Winfield about missing person and reason for taking children to Sydney on Sunday night. Stated that they travel better at night and that his wife was aware that he would have them for eight to ten days in Sydney whilst she had a break. Produced a document where he purchased petrol in Ballina at six minutes past eleven on May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three.

Throughout this episode, you are going to hear a number of theories about why John seemed so attached to the petrol receipt and where Broman's remains might be. These theories are based on circumstantial evidence. While John vehemently denies wrongdoing or any involvement in Broman's disappearance, these theories give Bromwan's family hope that her remains may be found and that

And I think it's because he knows he was seen after eleven ih six in Ballina by Judy, So therefore he's trying to prove that he was gone, he wasn't there, and anything Judy has to say as the relevant is.

That, based in part on Jude Singh's disclosure that she had a lantern on and he looked up, she saw him look up at the balcony one.

It all makes sense, now, why was everything based around that receipt? Why are you showing people that receipt? Debbie would be able to tell you the same story that he's showing her and Murray this petrol receipt that he was eleven o six.

He also produced that receipt to the detective Graham Diskin in nineteen ninety three. It's mentioned in the rolling sheets.

Well there you gon't, but then it's also mentioned in Taylor's, which are five and a half years later. It just struck us that, wow, there's the reason why so much emphasis is brought on that petrol receipt.

Andy and Michelle told me that Broman had complained she was so strapped for cash she could afford to put only small serves of fuel in the Ford Falcon sedan. The tank was never filled up.

Particularly after she moved out and went to Byron Street.

If he realized there was no petrol.

And then.

Things have happened at home.

Allegedly, the first thing he's going to have to do is go get petrol, because you're not going to risk having the car break down run out of petrol. So he's gone and got petrol which is where Murray's seen in quietly leaving the house because he doesn't want anyone to know.

That he's leaving.

He goes down the hill and around, gets the petrol, and comes back and heads down Granite Street.

Whatever time that is.

June's recollection is that it's very late that night, just before midnight.

And he's gone down Granite Street to do whatever he's got to do, realizes he's been seen, probably goes somewhere and I'm not going.

To say anymore.

It makes it stick thinking about it, and then shoots back and gets the girls, which then coincides with what Crystal always said to us, Oh I saw the clock.

It was one o'clock. That timeline kind of fits.

We're the shortest route you're looking for. A body of water is Lake Ainsworth. It's completely filled with cannon from the tree trees. It's a dark lake. By the time you got your arm in the water and you go to the length of your arm, the chances are you can't even see your hand. It was a lovely safe place to take the kids and swim without worrying about

The sound of the car backing out and scraping the bottom is perhaps he was already getting things organized to help weigh things down and we something was in the boot.

And there's no way that there was enough time to dig somewhere to hide.

Bromwin the street on the right hand side of the lake, and if you go up there you can nearly at some point back your car or park right beside the.

Edge of the road and the water is right next to you.

Back then there was a road in and out, but now it's actually a pedestrian path after the first few hundred motors.

What's the function of the surfboard.

To be able to take her out to the center of the lake where it's quite deep way down, drop her off the board, paddle back in, come on, pick up the girls by all out to Sydney.

In your opinion, the ten forty pm trip that Murray witnesses, where the car bottoms out and then rolls down the hill, lights off, an engine off is the first trip, and that's to get fuel.

I believe, so he would have known that the lights were still on in Murray's house.

If you're going to leave children in the house because you've got to go and do something, you don't want them to wake up.

You don't want them to hear you leaving. So he's stealth away, gets the petrol, comes back packs the car, match down the drive.

Possible that the door didn't.

Latch securely, and when he's backed out because of the angle of the hill, what Judy identifies as the money could have weighed or slightly bumped the door and that's turned the interior light on. So he's gone very very slowly down Granite Street. He wasn't banking on the poor lady that's worried about miscarrying and and all sorts of things drama's going on, couldn't sleep and was sitting on

Oh six pm receipt only shows that he bought fuel at eleven oh six pm. It doesn't show what time he left anywhere.

But it now brings relevance to the fact of why are you putting so much emphasis on it?

I believe he knows that.

He was seen. Mel Taylor, Marian Deb's daughter. She has a very vivid memory on Tuesday May eighteen of going into the house and seeing the children's bed stripped of their sheets. Correat, Well, we know that Broman had tucked the children in correct, How would Lauren and Crystal have coped with being woken up and had their bedstripped and dad goes missing.

No, I don't believe that happened. I believe that they were put in the main bedroom. It's just my theory because Bristol when she was about eighteen or so and first came down to Sydney. She came and spend a little bit of time with us, and it's probably the first time that we had what I'd refer to as an adult conversation about the whole thing. She had this recollection that she saw one o'clock. She thought it was one o'clock when she got woken. Dad woke say we're

She went, no, no, it'sn't a lap and it was one, like she corrected us.

Yeah, And bearing in mind it's a theory and it's pure speculation. But you have in your mind John going into the children's bedrooms, waking each of them up, directing them to go in the mum and dad's room.

How many times have you picked your kids up and relocated them asleep and they wouldn't even be aware of it. Yep, we've done it multiple times.

Yes, of course, you come home your kids.

Have fallen asleep in the car.

Whether they're ten and five or eight and three, doesn't matter. You pick your kids up. They probably stir, they wake up, They cut off back into your shoulder, You carry them, and you put down into the bed. They wake up with them and they've got no idea how they got there.

I believe that they were.

Possibly moved into the bedroom, put in the main bed sheets obtained hence by Melt has that vivid memory, and they were used to discard Bromwin.

In nineteen ninety three.

You could walk down the middle of Lenny's head on a Sunday night's dark naked mate no one and see you. No one was around. It was very quiet on a Sunday night. It's not like the Cosmopolitan, the sort of place it is today. It's possibly some concrete blocks or something around. I don't recall john't ever really leaving the place that untidy, but he did. You have weights and a bench pressing everything in the garage, bar bells and things like that. Wap down around a body with a

Chip it.

She's not gonna fight very well, jump back on, paddle back in. Job done, ten minutes flat. It's a terrible thing to be thinking of. It makes sense back aim makes sense to us now bugged us for so long Why he had to put so much emphasis on that petrol receipt.

It's the time stamp he's after.

Yeah, it's always bugged me. I couldn't fathom it, and you and I talked about it, and I asked Scruffy about it. I did wonder what was the motive for him to be showing people that were seen to prove that he didn't have time to take her body and bury her anywhere between A and B. The way he saw it was John wanted to prove that he didn't have time for foul play.

Yeah.

Well, scrappies on the money, isn't he.

I've just missed a call from Mardie. She's been doing a bit of research too. I'll catch up with her and maybe we'll talk tomorrow. Hey, Okay, goes By, you've been doing some homework.

I have been doing some work.

Since meeting Mattie Walsh in September twenty twenty three in Sydney. I have asked her to do many tasks for this podcast series about the disappearance of her second cousin, Bromwin. Maddie has done research into laws that were in existence in nineteen ninety three to protect women from domestic violence, and Maddie's done timelines around key events in the case.

What do you think of I love it here. I've been here a lot before. What's gorgeous.

We drove the coast road and envied the lucky surfers who were out riding endlessly peeling perfect waves.

In my teenage years, we used to go on drives and things around here.

Did you associate it with Bromin when you visited here?

I you should appeared in Lennox Heath, But I did not know that they actually lived here. I was not aware of that because I had always known Crystal to live in Sydney. It took me a while to realize that that wasn't a normal thing with other families.

Don't just casually have family members that I've been murdered allegedly, Let's not forget the allegedly.

On one of my visits to Lennox, I drove Maddie where deb Hall had taken me, right past John's house, not the one he used to live in in Sandstone Crescent.

So did he build this next house or did he just buy it?

Do you know.

He built it?

Interesting?

It does look like a fortress. I feel like a private investigator.

Maddie knew from me about a woman called Judy Singh long before I disclosed it to anyone else. Maddie's good at keeping secrets. She's been a vault at twenty one, Maddie hasn't yet joined the workforce. She's doing all of this work for the podcast on a voluntary basis. Perhaps that's why we call the tasks that she does her homework.

I was researching into how fabric decomposes in freshwater and also saltwater, and I found that polyester does not decompose because it's mainly made out of plastics. And then I searched up what surfboard covers are made out of because that's the going theory that he put her in a surfbook cover, and surfboard bags are most commonly made out of polyester, which means that there's entirely a possibility that she is still in a surfbook cover at the bottom

She compared it to a dark abyss.

So if you were to be up above looking down, you couldn't see anything in there. It's a dark body of water, even when you're going under the water.

I try to picture a man pulling a surfboard with Bromin's body in a surfboard bag on top of that board, and then toppling over the side, sinking to these really dark, murky depths. But you're saying that because the surfboard bag is almost certainly made out of polyester, it's probably intact.

Yes, that is what I'm saying. Everything inside probably has decomposed. The body will just naturally release gases and bacteria that will eat away at the body over time. But the body will still be together because of this surfboard bag. Now, if it was just in a sheet, and he just disposed of the body in the sheet that Jude saw a body wrapped in, then it would be a different story because that sheet would decompose quite quickly due to its videgradable nature, and due to currents, debris, or the

I remember mel telling us when we met her in that public library that John used to intimidate her because she'd see him in the garage. I think it was this because of the strength of him. It's just my memory of the person he was seeing him working out with his Brench press and yeah, that wasn't the garage.

It is ways, there's a chance those weights are still intact.

And you confirm that the material for surfboard bags in nineteen ninety three was polyester.

Yeah, it's made out of plastic.

It's slightly waterproof, it's light, it's durable.

It makes a lot of sense that it wouldn't break down.

It'd be much easier to transfer a body in a polyester bag because it'd be more sturdy. I found an article on the people that recover bodies for free. They have found so many bodies, like over one hundred bodies.

Authorities credit Gene and Cindy Rouston of CUNA with helping them find the body of a missing man, but they've been helping families and law enforcement agencies for over two decades now. The couple started back in nineteen ninety nine and since then they say they've assisted in at least one hundred and seventeen body recoveries. It's a lot of bodies if you ask me, and they're really nice people. Geene Ralston says what him and his wife do gives them a good feeling.

You don't really know what it means to have someone lost in the water, and they'll be able to find them. Side scan sonar uses sound to create images of things, much like medical ultrasound in that it doesn't require light, but you can think of sound as light. That it transmits a beam of sound and then it reflects off the bottom and images objects on the bottom. Anything on the bottom will typically have a distinct shadow behind it.

And they found a man who had been missing for twenty nine years using SONA and the oldest body they recovered was someone who had been lying at the bottom of a lake for as long as one hundred years. Oh my gosh, through SONA and they found bodies that have been bound with jim waite and they have been found using cable ties.

They linked the cable ties back to the.

Person who murdered this person because they found that at their house. So they also said murder victims look different under sonar because they're usually tied up and weighed down.

So this is actually very common occurrence.

You like Lake Ainsworth as a possibility, it's too risky.

In the ocean, yeah, it's too risky. He wouldn't have done that.

And also, imagine trying to get through the waves in the middle of the night in a lake of water. You know that not much is going to change except for maybe a bit of winds and a bit of current.

Andy and Michelle are of the same view that Lay Ainsworth is the target zone.

If she was in a sand dune, the wind would have recovered her. He didn't have enough time to bury her six feet under. And also digging a hole in sand is very difficult, especially at night. It would be so much easier to drop her in the middle.

Of a lake that Maddie at the start of this podcast, In fact, months before the first episode was released, I remember talking to you at Megan's house.

You were really.

Determined to keep an open mind and not have too many preconceptions about things. Is it the way of evidence now that has caused you to now look at John as her probable killer or is there something else going on?

Well, it's definitely based on the evidence.

I mean when I first started this, I didn't really know any of the evidence. But once you take into perspective every single fact and everyone's recollections, and now with Jew's recollection, the possibility or the hypothesis that something else happened is really so impossible. There's really no other explanation. So he knows the lake well, and the lake is.

Better than the ocean. He's very familiar with water.

He had a surfboard in the cup, used the surfboard as a floatation device of sorts.

Now that I've looked more into the lake, it seems to all line up.

Now.

He knew the water. He was a water person. He's in the water every day. He knew the lake, he knew the color of the lake, he knew that it was dark due to the terrain surrounding it, so the chances of her being seen from bird's eye view impossible. If the lake has never been searched before, it just shows you how untouched it is really, and the police aren't doing anything, so might just have to be us. I don't have a sonar thingy, we won't be able

Mary's often to help.

Oh amazing.

He has in his mind the area where he believes if she's there, she would be.

Well, that's exactly who we need then, because it's a big lake and you have to go so slow and whatever boat you're on, because you have to do a grid search. And there's also a chance there's a lot of debris because there's a lot of trees, the tea tree leaves. He'll be in layers, probably close to the shore where the trees are, and then probably be less and less as we get deeper. But you know what else exists. It's like mini submarines. But it's going to

Steal weights, dumb bells or whatever. They may show up with metal detection equipment.

True, a lot of people on the internet have like discussed this, and it's kind of creepy, just like weighing bodies down. So when I said concrete, I'm in concrete in the bag. Concrete is heavy already on its own. Water into that that's really heavy. If it was like a six foot bag with the dumb bells, you could cable tie the dumb bells to like the handles and all the rest of it.

The thing that surprises me, Mattie, is the relatively small amount of weight that would submerge a lean body.

But then it's backed up by scuba divers.

Obviously, if you.

Want to scuba dive, you have to wear weights so you can actually go under.

Because we have this thing called it like a mutual boyt and sy.

Because our lungs fill with air. When they fill with air, we float. No matter whether you're dead or alive. You need weight to get you down, to actually get you deep into the water. So freshwater you're likely to sink easier because saltwater makes you more buoyant, and then obviously the depth of the water. If you are really deep, it's going to be harder for you to float back up just based on the pressure of the water.

Was it a bit disconcerting doing all this research?

This is my favorite thing to do. I was a student.

Now I'm a graduate, so technically a forensic scientist, and this is the type of research.

That I love.

Scruffy texted me today, Oh gosh, what did he say? Lake Ainsworth?

Really?

Yeah? Mary Nolan is also of that view.

I think we need to get a a sona, a side scan sona because they have found so many people. I will happily die if we find something.

You won't be able to see anything.

Well, it doesn't matter.

It's like braille. You just feel around. That's what someone described it as. You have to touch, you can't see.

I just wanted to check in Andy, because those text messages could be important. Could you please just tell me the background to those? I was contacted by a friend. This case is filled with what ifs. There are several compelling theories about where Bromwin's body might be. Lake Ainsworth, for example, has sounded plausible since Judy Singh came forward and described having seen a surfboard in the Ford Falcon late at night, besides something that looked like a body

I believe over the years that John has done a fair bit of work for Glenn Webster.

Do you know the area?

I know the area, yes, correct.

We know that John was working there in ninety three. What was it like? Was it densely populated.

Thirty years ago?

It wouldn't have been No, Illawong was a suburb that might have had sporadic housing around it.

How far away is it from your house now?

Twenty minute run.

When I read your text message and saw the reference to the volume of excavation and concrete and so on, and just in the context of what the coroner believes has happened and what the police believe happened, it just made a whole lot of sense. What was he doing after he dropped the girls at his ex wife's place.

Jane was looking after him. Correct, It's amazing what you followed out.

Have you previously considered, just as a theory, the idea that Romin's remains may have been concreted or breakeed in at that property in Illawong where John was working.

There's been plenty of theory like and we tossed up the idea that possibly he could have driven all the way down here.

We prombined in the boot of that car.

It makes some sort of sense for the fact that he brought no luggage, no suitcases, no clothes, nothing for the girls to wear.

But when he arrived at your house and Michelle saw him, he opened the boot, didn't he?

Once I got home, I asked him, and we went up to the back at the car and he opened the boot. That's where he got out the two small pillow cases that had you know, like three or four items of clothing chucked in each pillow case, but nothing was adequate for Sydney weather. That just struck me how clean the boot was and there was only the metal lighting. I could see the spare.

Tire by lightning.

You mean no upholstery, do carpet, none of the usual stuff.

Well in the old days, old cars like that, they just had like an old vinyl type lighting.

Do you remember questioning why he didn't bring any stuff, why they had no clothes?

I said, why has everything shoved into a pillowcase? Like what?

And I had a quick look inside and I said, like, there's not.

That much in here. That was There was a couple of.

T shirts and singlets and bits and pieces, but there was nothing substantial in it.

And I said, John, why didn't you Why didn't you pack properly, Like where's the kids clothes?

And he said, oh, no, you know, the kids.

I had to drive in the nighttime because it's better for them if I drive at night.

So I just quickly got stuff together and took off.

Yeah, that was his excuse.

The building site in the shire where John was working as a place where perhaps if John killed bromwinin she may have been disposed of. How do you rate that theory amongst all the others you've heard, when you consider the different circumstances.

Having seen the boot and knowing that really there wasn't that much in there, that thought crossed our minds, and then we thought, oh my god, please don't tell me he's traveled all the way to Sydney with that poor lady in the back like that really bothered us. And then of course the fact that he went to a stranger, you know, he was prepared to ask somebody else to mind the kids, and he even asked them for clothes.

It's kind of like crazy.

And the fact that he wanted them to stay there for a couple of weeks, like.

He wasn't even entertaining coming to us, as they had said.

Yes, it is telling though the fact that he did go to is first wife's place and trusted her mother in law who he had never met, who she had never met him to look after the kids instead of going to family. That was what so close ten minutes away. He didn't want people to start questioning Bromwin's disappearance so early on, because no one knew until he rocked up at your place.

For this theory to have force, any plan to conceal Broman's body somewhere in Lennox Head, such as Lake Ainsworth late on the Sunday night had to have been abandoned

Well, from everything that I've read from mister Webster's statement, he didn't even tell him.

He was going.

He just left. He just left. Shit.

He told me in the.

Afternoon when he rocked up and knocked on the door, and I walked down and I got the shock of my life to see them there.

He eventually told me that he had to get the car registered.

That's what he'd been doing. So that was what he told me he'd been doing.

And he you're a builder, yep, this is a really difficult question for you to consider. Is the construction of a house when it's at an early stage a place where you could conceal a body without much trouble.

Without a doubt, quite as you do something underneath any part of the slab. There was a lot of excavation that was at that stage of coming short of what we call out of the ground. You would hide it underneath in the preparation or in the soil or the sand. You got footings all the way around the edge. It's seriously not a hard issue to possibly hide someone like that.

And he told me that his friend had been concerned for years about the illulung possibility.

Well, I had a phone conversation, not only the text messages, and he actually confided in me. Couldn't give me the exact date, but he actually called this information through to christ Stoppers.

Never heard another thing.

He rang it through from that day forth, you never heard anything. I know that they also checked a house up that way that John had burned linked to building, and they evidly scanned a slab. The slab was very thick for the SyES of the room it was, but they found nothing.

I've talked to Scruffy, you know, Ian Lewis about that yelp. He had suspicions about that. In the previous episode, you heard Scruffy's reference to the thickness of the concrete in a house that John had been working on in the Lenox area. But it is very hard to fit this theory given the limited amount of time that was available

I always knew John to work one out. He wasn't part of a team. I'd never seen John on a job where he allowed someone else to be laying bricks on a job that he was going to put his name to. He had a good reputation of being a very tidy, very good brick layer.

So you saying that at that stage of the construction of a house, there's probably only John working there.

John and whoever was laboring.

So is there a chance that John could have been there by himself?

Could have if he disappeared and went out there on that day.

He could have easily been there on his own.

Illowom is still and was quite bushy.

It's in National Park kind of surrounds, isn't it.

And is it Mike's theory or concern or suspicion, however you want to call it? That in the foundation, that's where Bromwin might be. Yes, have you ever driven past the house Andy, the house that John was working on over the years, just because you might have been suspicious?

I have never known till this date the exact street. All I knew was that John was working on a house at Illowong. I've never known what actual house it was. That Webster's statement says that John was helping him build a house at illawan.

I'm just going back to Glenn's statement now.

And I was looking home still to this date, looks looks lovely and it's all brick, all brick.

Until today, did you rate this idea of being a possible resting place for Bromwin as a low probability or was it up there?

It was discussed but at that stay. They were thinking, Wow, how much front must she have to drive with apart two kids in a car with the body in the boot all the way to Sydney and the car wasn't even registered.

What if he got caught or pulled over?

Because back in those days, remember it's not like now, your color of your reggie stick or I genified whether the car was out of date or not.

Then that's how they knew, and they pulled over.

And how would you describe Mike in terms of his balance?

And it's an outstanding fella, intelligent fella. And there wasn't a single person that gave any credence whatsoever that bron would would ever separate from those girls.

Not one person.

There's only one person on the planet that thinks she was going to walk away from.

Maddie and I talked about this possibility after finishing our call with Andy and Michelle.

As a builder, your life is on the job site. Where is there a big hole? And where is there a lot of dirt? And where is soon going to be concreted? And where is somewhere no one else will frequent except for really me and whoever is working on the site. I want to know who else was working on the site at that time.

If it's true that it was just him and Glenn Webster working on that side, then it's quite possible that nobody was at the site on the Monday and John's able to turn up and he's got the side to himself.

There's not a chance he would try and bury a body or dispose of a body if there are other people also working there or in the vicinity. We've been told that it was a relatively quiet area thirty or so years ago. There must have been somewhere he could drive his car up and an off time to know that, Oh Glenn isn't available today, he's not coming to the site, or I told Glenn I didn't need his help today.

I was just going to be.

There for a few hours, or even Glenn might have had an appointment of sorts couldn't get to the site. John didn't work in the team. He just works solely. To be fair, it's quite smart.

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