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of the space to have these in studio. Mark Burrell, he is an author, talked to him before his book Rediscovering the American Covenant Roadmap to Restore America, which was published a couple of years ago, argues that American Declaration of Independence functions as our national founding covenant, following a Biblical template for establishing community or nation. It's aimed at pastors and church leaders, although you can feel free to
enjoy it yourself. Today and tonight we'll be diving in a little bit to his new book, The Duty Is Ours. It's a concise overview of what God desires for nations, at least as he perceives it, including how to establish a governation that in a way that honors God. Discusses biblical responses for Christians out there who when governed justly or unjustly, offering a framework for guiding a wayward nation
back to God. He has a podcast, check it out Liberty Talk Podcast, where he analyzes curve events through the biblical lens. He also cool enjoys restoring antique cars. I think that's an awesome hobby. Welcome and thanks for coming to the studio. Mark Barrell, it's great to see you again.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Brian. How did you get involved with this? I know you have an engineering backworn you were a background you worked at Procter and Gamble and a whole bunch of different roles in manufacturing, engineering, et cetera. But how did you get involved in your biblical analysis, not only in rediscovering the American Covenant, but The Duty is Ours? The book we have I have in my hand here and thanks for the copy.
Yeah, so it started about thirty years ago. I really had a lot of questions about my faith and having an engineering and a science background, I felt like there ought to be some reasonable answers to a lot of the questions that I had, and so I started trying to find people get answered those questions. And I was fortunate enough to find a mentor who was strong in theology, and when I started sharing some of the questions I had, he said, well, you just need systematic theology. I'll take
you through it. And so systematic theology is essentially applying the scientific method to the Bible. So if you have a question on what does God say about prayer? Or who is God? What is he like? What are his nature and attributes? Basically the approaches just go through the Bible, pull out all the verses that seem to talk about that, arrange them, and figure out what the interpretation is that
seems to answer that question. And if you do that faithfully, you'll find that the Bible does provide a pretty coherent answer to most of the questions of life. So that's how I got started in really understanding the Bible.
Okay, now walk me through how this works. Because my approach to the Morning Show is now and has always been. I have never said out loud what religion. I am, Everything I utter, my principles are based purely on logic and reason and are supported regardless of what religion you follow Islam, Judaism, Christianity. You know, there's a bottom line principle, government's going to work or it's not. Two and two is always four. It doesn't matter what you believe in.
And I can make my arguments to any person of any faith. Now from that approach, does your scientific approach to looking at the Bible apply logically and reasonably to people who may not carry a faith or maybe of a different faith than Christianity To understand where I'm coming from on that.
Yeah, So I think the question is if you look at all the facts, I mean, you can look at how does what does the Bible say about all these things? And then you can look at life and say what can I observe about all these things? And if you look at the two my experience has been that you can see a match, but everyone's going on their own
personal faith journey. And that's really the key behind the phrase pursuit of happiness and a declaration of independence that Framers actually meant that they wanted to respect everyone's liberty to go through their own personal faith journey up to an including choosing not to follow God.
That's why we don't have a theocracy. They lived through the Church of England. They saw what happened when you have a religion that is well governments supported or mandated taxes are paid to support the English Church. You may be getting a message by the way, right, you may be getting a message you don't believe in, but you're stuck with it because your government is ed to a specific religion. Our framers knew that.
Yep, they did. In fact, one of the things Jefferson is accused of is being anti church. But one of the things he was pushing when they were disestablishing the church, for instance in Virginia in the seventeen seventies, is he was arguing that the state should not be paying for the churches. The churches should be on their own right, which is the model we adopted in America. Which is the right model.
It's the capitalist method for you got to do. You have to proselytize, You have to convince people why they should be following your specific faith. You have to weigh, you know, other faiths against the one that you're pushing and show why your faith is the right way to go. It's better for you as a human being. It'll help you grow and thrive and survive. And as I go to prayer, you know, I'm a prayerful man, and the
reason is it because it helps me be introspective. I don't believe that I'm praying to a God that is going to help me win the lottery. I believe I am speaking to someone who is all seeing, all knowing being, so I can't lie. If I got a problem in my life, I have to understand that that problem may be my responsibility. And the point of prayer for me is to walk through that I'm having this problem. God, you know, can you help me find a solution? Okay, let's walk through why I am where I am with
any given problem. Maybe it is my fault. Maybe it's the fault of something completely out of my hands. But I don't I'm thinking. I'm never ever saying God, can you please help me win the lottery? Or God, can you help the Bengals win this weekend. I believe God has a hands off approach about that. Otherwise we would have plague, pestilence, war, famine, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean the whole intent of prayer is to communicate with God and listen and try and be introspective about the things that are going on in your life and what can you do about those?
So yeah, absolutely, And you get that's very helpful to someone as long as they're willing to put down that idea that you know, God is the hand or out of holiday treats. That's the importance of prayer for me. Now walking through your scientific approach, is there any can you give an illustration of how that works on any given area of government for me this morning for my list, So I'm going to talk about that, I know in depth. I don't want to click overview.
Would be So, for instance, does God care about the nations? If you look around the world today, I mean, the nations are in a mess. It would be easy for someone to conclude that God doesn't care about the nations. We're sort of on our own. Yet if you look start in Genesis, actually Genesis one twenty eight, he says, I want the nations to be fruitful, increase in number, and fill the earth. It's very simple. And then after
the flood he says the same thing. I want the nations to be fruitful, increase in number, and phill the earth. And then he adds one thing, because remember the question after the flood is what's going to be different going forward? We just wiped out mankind because of the rampant violence and the rampant evil. So what's going to be different? And in Genesis nine, verses five and six, he says, I demand an accounting for the shedding of innocent blood.
And he says it three times. And that is where the institution of civil government actually comes from in the Bible. So you can start to piece together. Okay, God desires nations to be fruitful, he wants nations to govern justly. Then the next question is, well, how do you start a nation? And how do you govern justly? And so that's what I'll be talking about tonight.
I always had this vision along those lines. When you think about Moses going up on the mount and bringing down the Ten commandments. He went up there, it happened, by the way, Yeah, he was, he was. He was
being very contemplative. He's speaking with God. Maybe maybe God delivered them physically to him, or maybe he was rebeing reflective about the state of the world and analyzing where all the problems come from looking down at the masses and fighting and sleeping with each other and covetying and andret Where are the where what are the core reasons for our disfunction and our inability to get along with
each other? And by analyzing those you come up with I think the Ten Commandments are a wonderful, non necessary and doesn't even have to be religious based. Even believing in a God is important because it's humble to man. There is something beyond you which keeps you down a little bit in terms of your cockiness. But all the other ones simply don't kill anybody, covet if you could wipe out any sin and I don't want to, you know,
label them in terms of priority. But if people were just no longer envious, covetous and greedy, they wouldn't look at someone every day and go, you've got more than me, I deserve more? Why how come you got? You know what, when somebody has more than me, I'm I'm happy for them, bully for you. Right, you did something the right way which allowed you to be successful. So anyway we'll possible
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Hey twenty here fifty five KRC, The talk station Brian Thomas with Mark Burrell. How are you seminar tonight? You should check it out online. You can watch comfortably from your own home and the power you America dot org, just RSVP and stream the video connection or show up at two twenty five Northland Boulevard. Should be a fascinating
conversation on the biblical connections. Biblical principles to shape and how they shape the Declaration of Independence, but how they are a guide for well, maybe writing the ship that is the current disaster we find ourselves in right now, my words, not yours, Mark, before we dive back into it, because I know you have an anecdote or two you want to pass along. But you also teamed up with Building Blocks for Liberty, Jim Lewis's group, and they're doing the sixteen nineteen project film.
They're doing that this Saturday, ten o'clock at the Freedom Church, So show up a little early so you can sign.
Up, but we'd love to see you there ten am, ten am the Freedom Church. Wonderful. Now moving over, what is the rule of the church insofar as the election is concerned or government generally speaking. I'm on record I've
said a gazillion times. If you're in the congregation and the guy or gow in the front of the room is telling you to vote for some huge social welfare program through government, then they are abdicating the responsibility as let's say a Christian, because it's the Christian individual's obligation to help out one's fellow man, not the state. Right, those are two separate obligations. State got its own, people have their own, but off roading that is really removing one.
Are the points of the church, isn't it.
Yeah, the Church is to be the conscience of society and Christians are to be adopting a Judeo Christian moral and ethical framework. Let me say it that perfect and the moral and ethical framework should guide not only your personal actions, but also how you live your life with
your family, but also how you live in community. And so when you're governing authorities are governing unjustly or they're proposing policies and laws that do not match with moral and ethical behavior, this is when Christians need to speak up.
Going back to my point on being covetous, and that's class warfare, brother, right there, that's Marxism.
Yeah, and you're spot on with the covetous thing. If there is one that is like a dark horse on the list, it's that one. It is and progressive us that in order to get people to get upset and you know, storm the gates and get some of these laws passed that are really unethical, they shouldn't be passed. But the point of the church is that we're supposed to be the conscience of society, and the way Christians do that is by at a minimum, is by voting.
And they should be voting their conscience, and their conscience should be informed by biblical principles. And this is really the target audience that I have for my ministry and the books that I've been writing. Because when I started this journey about twenty years ago, thirty years ago, I had lots of questions. I didn't understand how the revolution could have been biblically justifiable if Jesus said you should pay her taxes and supposedly it was all about taxation
without representation. For me, that was a conflict. So I understand that there's lots of questions about the founding and whether or not it violated Romans thirteen, or it's in conflict with evangelism. All those topics I had to work through and I put them in. The first book has all of it. It's very detailed. The second book is a quicker read for the general congregation, and that's really
my target audience. Brian. I'm trying to get the church to realize that they have a citizenship duty and we need to step up and we need to get involved in politics at a minimum by voting.
So your first book was for all the pastors, ministers, rabbis. I'm mom what I have read this and advance these principles to your congregation. This book is when you're in church where they're not doing that for the congregation to stand up and say, hey, pastor Rabbi, I'm aut whatever, this is what we need to do, and you are misdirecting the conversation by pushing this, say covetous proposal, or however you want to characterize it.
Yeah, the way I would say it is that book when you're holding up the duty is ours is a cliff note biblical defense for the fact that Christians should be engaged and in fact, in America's case, our declaration of independence is actually our national founding Covenant. And the punchline at the end of the seminar tonight is to the biblical roadmap to restore America is that we need to revisit our national founding Covenant and recommit like our founders did.
Well, I'll tell you what it's going to be a fascinating conversation. Mark. I've really enjoyed our conversation this morning, Mark Burrell tonight seven PM and Poweroamerica dot org makes sure you RSVP is shown up in person or streaming it live. Tell your friends about that one too. I think everyone will get some great enlightenment at it and enlightenment out of it. And you can also get his books while you are there at two twenty five Northland Boulevard.
He's going to have his books right there or Amazon dot com. You know what, Mark, I'll have Joe add your links to Amazon dot com on my blog page fifty five KRC dot com. Folks, stick around, I heart me. The aviation expert Jay Rattle's going to join the program right after the break. I'll be right back when we win this election. Here's what we're going to do about it. As months turn two weeks. Day one was fourteen hundred days ago. What have you been doing? The countdown is on.
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