¶ Overcoming Adversity in Pursuing Dreams
So you're thinking about running but not sure how to take the first step . My name's Brian Patterson and I'm here to help , and welcome to Brian's Rompod . Welcome back to Brian's Rompod and welcome back to the second part of my interview with Tom Gamer .
In the second part , i started off by asking him about the accident that pretty much ended his career as a racing driver . So was it one specific ? was it one accident or was it a series of accidents ?
Yeah , and it was innocuous . You know it wasn't . You know it wasn't . It was because I had this underlying weakness that the issue , as opposed to it being some kind of sort of spectacular Hollywood style accident where everything you know , mine , you those are actually the ones that that don't hurt , because all the energy is being dissipated everywhere .
It's the ones that look as though they don't hurt that hurt . The spectacular ones . They're actually okay . Yeah , yeah , yes , i remember you saying when Simonson crashed at Le Mans , it looked it didn't look like that , those nasty celebrations , they don't look spectacular , but the forces on the body That was fatal . So , yeah , you just can't sustain them .
And whether or not that's musculoskeletal or you know , your organs , the G force , that the P force , sometimes is just unsustainable . And you know there's been so many tragic incidents and examples and Simonson's just just one of those .
Yeah , so obviously they came a point where you thought I won't be able to continue . this Was that kind of a you know a hard realisation , or you know when did that happen ?
Yeah , it's a tricky one because the physical journey is a long one 40 months and having to sort of deal with rehabilitation is mentally very taxing because it's not a linear curve , it's very , very much two steps forward , one step back .
One step forward , two steps back , you start treating one area and then you get a problem with another area and it's never ending at times and it's demoralising . The one thing getting you through the rehabilitation is hope , is that realisation , that hope that you might reach your end goal . And then , when that hope starts to erode , it's difficult .
It's difficult mentally , it's difficult physically for a prolonged period of time when there's a lot riding on it in terms of your you know it's what you want to do , it's not just what you do , it's your life . You know it's your identity , it's everything .
And you know , trying to get your head around the fact that you might not ever be able to do that again , it's really hard And you know I battled long and hard with that . I actually , physically I just went into that sort of obsessive , compulsive mindset where it was just work hard , keep your head down , keep the faith .
But mentally I didn't look after myself And it wasn't until I got to the end of the road where physically I was in a pretty good place And that sort of you know , miraculous return really , in terms of you know where I was . The surgeon said I'd never get back in a car . I shouldn't get back in a car .
I did get back in a car But , you know , mentally I wasn't in the right space And it really had taken its toll , that sort of couldn't really put my finger on it , but that loss of control and that sort of trauma that I experienced , not the accident , it was the aftermath , just that long period of time of not being able to do what it is that you do and
to you know , to sort of face up to the fact that your whole life's falling apart . Really , yeah .
So I mean , as to summarising that , you've got . you know , it's like having two curves where you've got the accident and you're hurting physically And then the recuperation is kind of you've got the other curve , which is basically your realisation that your dream might be over , and it's a mental health issue .
You know whereas you're , you know you're getting fitter , you know , but it becomes a mental health .
Yeah , and then all the sort of everyday pressures that come on top of that in terms of what am I ? I've got no money . What am I going to do ? What ? you know , i'm 22 , 23 , like my career's over . What do I do now ?
I mean , it all sounds very drastic when you rationalise it now , but when you're in that space it's a lot to sort of take on your shoulders . And you know I split up with my partner , i didn't have anywhere to live , i you know it was hard , it was really hard .
And you know I didn't have that prusted space to sort of open up and talk to people about what was going on , because I didn't really . I was so young , i hadn't had that , that adversity or that experience before And I didn't really know what was happening . And you know the last thing I was going to do was was was open up and talk about it .
You know we're going back 20 years and the narrative , the societal narrative around sort of mental health was not as progressive as it is now , and so you know I sort of suffered in silence a bit , to be honest with you .
So , knowing what you know now , what would you , what would you tell ? you know , if you , if you could , to go back to Tom , you know , 22 year old , and you met him in the street . What would you say to him ?
You know , so speak to someone , or Yeah , i think , just just don't don't try and do it alone . I always say , only you can do it , but you don't have to do it alone .
And it wasn't until I found a trusted peer group where and I won't break their trust , but it was athletes that I sort of revered and looked up to from other sports , you know big names , and they were all in a room and they were talking about their journey , their journey through mental health , and it was just the , you know , it was a transformation in terms
of it gave me the confidence to go . That's how I feel , that's me .
And and then I could finally open up and not worry about what others thought about me , because I was in a room full of people that were just describing how I felt , basically through their own journey , and I I hold you know , i have a lot of sort of a lot of respect for those peer to peer support groups And I think they suck so often .
Hold that bridge to the medical intervention that you might need A lot of . A lot of people need that confidence , need that reassurance , and that peer to peer support group gives you that , in my experience , and then it gives you that bridge and that opportunity to go and see the medical professionals that might be able to steer you in the right direction .
So we've moved on , you've made your decision , you know . And then you say , well , i need to go out into the big wide world . So what happened to Tom then ?
I've got a proper job for a bit and I realised that was far too much like hard work . No , no , no , i'm being facetious . Essentially I actually walked away from the sport because seeing my friends still doing what it was that I wanted to do was just too raw . It was just too hard and it's almost like a breakup .
You're still very much in love with somebody but they're not in love with you and away . They go on another journey . and that was the sport . For me . It was too raw and so I went and worked with Getty Images for a bit and then I had the realisation that know your lane in life and also don't walk too far away from what it is that you know .
So I went back to the sport and found a niche in coaching and working with younger drivers , and I worked with the National Governing Body and the various different things around coaching qualifications . But bubbling away in the background was the commentary .
So TV gave me a lifeline and it's the TV that's grown and grown and grown over the last sort of 10 or so years and I've been incredibly fortunate enough to sort of forge a career in TV and broadcasting . No one teaches you how to do it . You are the single swim .
Everybody tells you when they don't like you and when you've made a mistake , but no one pats you on the back when you've done a good job , especially in today's day and age of social media . Yes , yeah .
But I wouldn't change it for the world , and it gives me that opportunity to be involved in a sport that I fed in love with as a 10 year old child , and my goal was always to get to Formula One .
I've got to Formula One now , albeit with a microphone in my hand and not a steering wheel , so it's a funny lesson as to life is a journey and you never quite know where you're going to end up , how you're going to end up , but for me , i've got to where I wanted to get to , just in a different guys .
What was your first ?
commentating like I was really nervous because when you've got the sort of count in your ear and then the pressure and that adrenaline dump , when it's like 10 , 9 , 8 , it's almost as if you forget every word in the English language .
And especially when people start talking to you in your ears , You're talking away and then all of a sudden you can hear the direct and you just freeze And so it's over before you even realised it's begun and you have that sort of sweaty palms . It gives you the adrenaline rush .
It's like competing to a certain extent and you need to be at the top of your game .
It's a great experience but yeah and you never lose sight of those nerves You always feel that I'm doing the Indy 500 for Sky Sports F1 in a couple of well , in 10 days , and that's arguably the most watched race globally , the biggest , most sport event in the world in terms of people that attend that on the day , And it's a huge amount to sort of take on
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¶ Process, Enjoyment, and Heroes in Sport
that . Here you are heading up that studio And there's going to be everyone in the world of motorsport watching you and you never lose sight of the fact that it's a huge event and those nerves will always be inside you .
But do you feel that when you come away from commentating and you feel that you've kind of You learn something new , very much like when you're a professional racing driver ? it's just a different skill , isn't it ?
Yeah , i've learnt to enjoy it . So I always say to everyone , whatever it is that you do , make sure you enjoy it . And that sounds a bit flippant , but when you speak to a professional athlete , so often , so many athletes will say they forgot to enjoy it . They got to the level that they got to and they forgot to enjoy it .
Because it becomes so much more than that And if you're not careful with the TV , the enormity of the event or whatever it is that you're doing can overtake you . And it's important actually , just to simplify it . I'm talking about cars going around in a circle and that's all I'm doing and I'm going to enjoy it . And that's the long and the short of it .
I try , whatever I do now , just to make sure that I enjoy it . It's that simple .
Yeah , i mean , i know when people ask me why I love you know the , the well , motor sport , a Formula One , and I just think there's just so many different facets to the sport . You know , like the engineering side , you know it's not , it's not just about the cars going around and around and around . There's just , you know , there's just so many interesting .
You know the strategy and whatever you know , i know sometimes some , like any sport , can be predictable and can be boring , especially , you know , possibly the season maybe , but you know there's there's so much more to talk about .
That's why you need to convert to Indycar , because it's that bit more exciting this year And that's five different winners in five races . The Americans put on a wonderful show . You know we're going to go into the 5,500 .
They've got bump days So not everyone makes the show , so people have got to qualify this weekend to make the event next weekend And you have that sort of David and Goliath . You know there's a team in this weekend that they've never run an Indycar before , that the kid who's in the cars never qualified for the 500 .
And you know they're going to go up against the lights of Gennasi Penske , the huge , the big names in the sport , and it's like that FA Cup , if you like , where you're going to have , i don't know , kingstonians that are going to knock out Man City or whatever .
Yeah .
But it's a real David and Goliath story And I think sport needs that jeopardy . You know that jeopardy , you can't , it can't afford to be predictable , because it it does take away from the the sort of the emotion of sport . Sports emotive , isn't it ? It's entertainment Yeah .
Yeah , yeah . So what do you do now in terms of keeping fit ?
So I try and keep as active as I possibly can . I've never lost that , that young kid inside me that wants to be outdoors , that you know . If it's 41 years of age , if it's raining and I'm stuck in the living room , my wife just loses the will to live , i think after a while .
I was going to say happy anniversary .
Thank you . Yeah , we're a year into that . But you know I'm a real pain if I'm bored And you know I try and stay as active as possible . I was playing volleyball the other day . You know I've got a metal back . I need to be active , i need to look after myself .
It's so easy to sort of sink back , especially in the winter months when you know there's there's the temptation of a bit of red wine or whatever it is or some some good food , to sort of sit back and not be as active as you possibly can . But my granddad , as I said , was a GP . He always said use the stairs where possible .
So I was filming with the police recently and we went into a tower block and it was like the 12th floor and everyone crowded into the lift and I sort of used the stairs And you know it's just things like that . When you're not training , do it . You know , be active exercise . I always differentiate .
People say to me are you doing exercise today or are you training ? And then and I try and mix both into my life . So things like you know that I love doing a bit of swimming today was exercise for me . So I had no set parameter in terms of where , how far I wanted to go .
I had no training , i had no routine today , blank sheet of paper , get in the pool , do your drills , enjoy it . Whatever you feel like doing in that moment , do it . And you know I love paddleboarding , so I'll be out on the paddleboard for hours . That's unbelievable for the core , for the , for the quads , for the lats you know , the holders .
And there's a lot to be said for that is just doing . Doing , i mean , although I know I do tend to sort of run by , you know program , and that gives me a bit of direction . But you know , by just doing , just going out and doing whatever you feel is , you know the reason I sort of emphasize .
It's hard to do because I double down with goals . I love goals , i love measurable outcomes , i love obsessing about progress And actually I've just touched on I need to enjoy things And my way of my way of enjoying things is actually ripping that up .
And you know , i'll get in the pool , i'll do a drill And then I , you know I've done my drill And then I'm like what ? there's no routine in terms of what I'm doing in that space . But there's other times where I will train in the pool and I'll know exactly what I'm doing , how far I'm going , and it's all written out for me before I get in the pool .
But actually you know that's , you know that's a different mindset And I still I enjoy training And I love , you know , getting changed , always the hardest bit and you never , ever regret a session . But there's something wonderful about being free and just doing exercise as well .
Yeah , Yeah , yeah , it was like midday today . I just didn't want to go to the gym but I did And I just feel , you know , it's the , it's that so called , you know , endorphin rush that you get afterwards .
And a dopamine , because actually it's a list so often that we that we tick off It's a , we've got it on my , so you get that dopamine hit from from the achievement .
Yeah , yeah , that's good . Moving back to to to motor sport or sport who are your heroes ?
Yeah , really good question . I think for me Johnny Wilkinson is is a big hero of mine . I loved the way he went about playing the game And I loved that he that there was something about his mindset that it was just about excellence .
That wasn't necessary about winning , it was just about being the best that he could be and he went to extreme levels to try and be the best that he could be on every single day that he Was in that environment . and I think It's too binary to look at just outcome .
But actually , if you look at process and you fixate on the process and I love what he did in terms of his training and how he would Pick a couple of goals in front of the post and then move in increments further and further touch line and further towards the trial , and he just fixated on process and loves that side of the sport and you could just see ,
you know that there was , there was so much to going on in his , in his mind when it , when he played the game , he was a real magician for me , tactical and and strategic .
So in motorsport anyone .
I had . So , yeah , for me it's , it's got to be . I had , and I think he was A wonderful , wonderful man in and out of the car . He was ruthless , he had a talent that Is arguably second to none . He's again . His focus on the the process was was incredible .
So when other people were testing the car or when he was out , he was asking you know what strategy other drivers were on ? You know he , it wasn't just about winning for him . He was a very complex character and he took a huge amount of detail on board and was always fascinated in other people as well .
Quite a an enigma . I think kind of quite mystical in .
I think all the greats up yeah , at the end of the day , i think they're all They all have something very unique about them , right , yeah , and I think it all stems from the , the character , because once you get to the top level , every the performer element is world class . So you will see People that are exemplary at the top level across the board .
But it's the character that defines them , that then takes it to the next level . It's the differential between a football player Missing a penalty , scoring a penalty . It's the character underneath them . They've all got the tech and tech skillset to be able to score that penalty , but who can do it On the greatest day of their life ?
who can be the best they want to be on the greatest day of their life ? I think that comes down to character , and that's not , that's not hereditary , that's not something that you , you know that . That's something that that you develop , and The best , the best athletes focus on that side the human under the performer . I think .
Okay , that's quite interesting because I know I mean , obviously psychology has come into sport more so these these days . Was it something that they ever talked about when you were at ?
yes , yeah yeah , so we used to work with , and I worked with it with , a lady called glory , but actually I saw not so long ago , 20 years on , and yeah , it's , it's about you know again , you know , sport tends to be a bit further ahead than other industry sectors and it's about Focusing on the human under the performer .
You need to give people the , the , the talk , it in the emotional intelligence to be able to deal with the wonderful talent that they've got .
Hmm , hmm .
¶ Fitness and Injury Support Tips
what would you say to someone who is , let's say , you know , someone who has had an injury , who's been , you know , either into the running or into their fitness , whatever ? what would you advise them in terms of ?
I don't know . First and foremost , you're not alone . So having an injury is is one of the loneliest experiences because whether or not you're a professional athlete or whether or not you're just doing it for fitness or your own Yeah , your own needs , it stops you doing what it is that you enjoy a lot of the time .
We , when we're in that environment , are around like minded others . So you're now no longer around like minded others and it's very solitary . So You can easily feel like you're alone and you're a million miles away from where you want to be . So it's important to recognize that you're not alone .
And actually in professional sport now they'll get athletes who are injured into match day set ups and various other things to make sure that athletes aren't alone . But I would say , try and find some trusted spaces .
So look on the internet , social media , whatever it is , or if you're a member of a running club or the gym , just because you're injured doesn't mean that you haven't got something to offer . It doesn't mean that you can't still be involved in that space .
And try and reintegrate back into that space and talk and be open , and when you talk , others tend to talk as well .
Yes , that's very true . Yeah , and they'll open up as well .
Yeah , people talk about their experiences And it's not about copying what other people did , but it's about being aware again that you're not alone , that other people did X , y and Z , and you might want to do C , d and E , but it's about recognizing how other people did things and putting and picking things out that might work with you to help you on your
journey .
Great , great . I think I've gone through . I mean , you've been fantastic , Tom , and pretty much gone through what I'd like to talk about . Is there anything else you'd like to talk about , or you ?
No , for me I will say healthy body , healthy mind . I think today I absolutely did not want to go swimming . I would say getting changed is the hardest , but especially outdoors . Yesterday was dead easy , the sun was out , i couldn't wait to get there . Today it was cloudy , it was windy and it was hard . But you never regret being out and about .
You never regret training . So if you're sitting on the fence , remember you won't regret it . You get out there and enjoy it And enjoy , be present and enjoy what you do .
How can people follow you on social media ?
So I am on Twitter at Tom Game or GAYMOR . I'm also on Instagram , but I'm not young enough or cool enough to be on Instagram .
You're not on TikTok yet .
I'm definitely not on TikTok , Definitely not cool enough to be on TikTok At TV Talk or on Instagram and Tom Game or across LinkedIn and various other platforms Great great , great .
I just want to find a question . I mean , it looks like the San Marino Grand Prix . Well , it's not called the San Marino Grand Prix . The imma has been cancelled this weekend .
You've got the world's longest name now .
Yeah , i'm going to pick for imma . So any thoughts about this year's Formula One . I know you're , you know you commentate on it . You can't .
Yeah , i mean , obviously this year I'm doing IndyCar for Sky Sports F1 . I did F1 last year .
¶ Red Bull Racing's Formula One Dominance
I think the sort of space that Red Bull Racing find themselves in at the moment is largely down to the wonderful team of people that they've got there and Adrian Newey , who is the only sort of car designer to have still been in the sport when we last had these regulations .
So the regulation change all around ground effects and stalling the car in a straight line and that kind of stuff . You know that's very much down Adrian Newey Street . He's a wizard , he's a magician , he's worth more than any driver will ever be . But Max , with that said , is you know his speed , his ruthless nature , his confidence .
You know we talk about character development . It was only a few years ago where people were telling him he had to change , that he would never be a world champion , that he'd never do this , he'd never do that .
You know , trusted the process And you know there's a huge character underneath the performer there And so he's a very formidable partner to that whole sort of technical side of things And it's going to be very hard to see anyone beating them . You know , and that's probably not the .
I know , I think this year is the worst shot .
They're taking a step backwards . Mercedes are still struggling And you know they're fighting it out for the best of the rest .
OK , as I said , thanks a million , and maybe I might run into you when I'm on my run struggling .
You did very well And it'd be lovely to talk , so thanks for having me on .
I'll learn . Ok , all right then , cheerio . Thanks very much .