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It is do or Die day for Biden as good is Big Boy press conference this evening, which, by the way, we're going to be giving you reaction to so make sure to stay tuned. After the press conference, we will be bringing you whatever the hell happens. So that's going on. Meanwhile, we wanted to bring you up to speed with everything that's been happening here in Washington. Yesterday, Pelosi basically knife to Biden on his favorite morning program, that would be
Morning Joe Obama. Maybe behind the scenes moving against Biden. We're reading the tea leaves on that big buzzy George Clooney op ed calling for Biden to drop out and providing some new insights into Biden's decline. Pole's continuing to look very dire. Apparently New York now a battleground state. Great job, guys, way to go, so sounding the alarms there.
Also looking at the fact that there's going to be a huge impact down ballot if Biden remains at the top of the ticket and voters Democratic Party voters very much want him to move on.
So we'll look at all of that.
Meanwhile, Kareem Jeanpierre caught once again in another lie, and this one again specifically with regards to Biden's health. As Parkinson's concerns mount and Trump is getting closer to his VP pick, he made some comments to Brian Kilmean yesterday. So we're taking a look at that, giving our best, you know, again reading the tea leaves of whatever we can discern there. Although his calculus may be changing moment by moment too, as this landscape.
Shift, we'll get into that. I think it's a very important and part of the reason why I think he's been waiting so long. This event really did change things. I believe, as Christol said, we are going to be doing coverage of the Biden quote unquote big boy press conference. It is scheduled to start at five thirty pm Eastern. Biden has never showed up to anything on his life, even whenever he was coajins in with it, so just bear with us.
We will see close to his bedtime, though I don't know it's downside of the ten to four zones.
Well, sell, Crystal, you know, if he shows up at like seven, I'll be happy because knowing him, you just never know. I mean, you know, the White House Press Court has been telling me they're almost starting one and a half two hours late just because Karine Jean Pierre allegedly tied up in meetings aka just sitting in a briefing room going through all of the answers and coaching and things like that. So we'll see maybe they can shoot him up with something and time the dosage right
and unlike they were last time. But yep, you can support us Breakingpoints dot com. We really appreciate it. We'll email the link out to all of our premium subscribers, et cetera. Now, as Crystal said, yesterday was actually a landmark day and today as well. Here in Washington, where multiple Democratic leaders, elites, and others are now signaling that they are trying to open a space where Joe Biden
could drop out. Nancy Pelosi, in particular, made headlines all across America yesterday in this interview with Morning Joe, where she appeared to say that Biden needs to quote make his decision even though he's already allegedly made a decision, and also laying out a potential timeline of kicking him out of the race. Let's take a lesson happened so matters?
Speaker, You just went through the president's record, But let me ask you about the current moment. Does he have your support to be the head of the Democratic sicut as.
Long as the president had the president it's up to the president to suicide if he is going to run. We're all encouraging him to make that decision because time is running short. The UH I think overwhelming support of the caucus. It's not for me to say I'm not the head of the caucus anymore. But he's beloved, he is respected, and people want him to make that decision.
Yes, he has said he is made the decision. He has said firmly this week he is going to run. Do you want him to run?
I want him to do whatever he decides to do. And that's the way it is. Whatever he decides, we go with. I think it's really important and I would hope everyone would join in. She let him deal with this NATO conference. This is a very big deal. Thirty heads of over, thirty heads of state are here. He is the host of it, and that means not just hosting. It means orchestrating the discussion and setting the agenda. And he's doing so magnificently. And I've said everyone, let's just
hold off whatever you're thinking. Either tell somebody privately, but you don't have to put that in on the table.
So Crystal, there's a lot that we can say about that number one. As many have pointed out, they keep saying he needs to make his decision. He said he's making decision. He's saying you the letter, he said, I made my decision. I'm running. There's no more discussion but that NATO comment. So, just for you've been talking about this all week. Traffic is hell here in Washington. There is a NATO summit. All of the NATO leaders are
here in town. So she says very clearly, look, let's get past the whole NATO thing and then we can make our decision. And he's liked but he's allegedly made his decision, right, So what are you saying. It's like, well, it would not be a bad time to drop out. I don't know. I have trouble dealing with this because she immediately walked it back. She said as far as Biden should run again, she said Biden could still win the election. You know, in general, there's so much behind
the scenes. You were reading the tea leaves. It's almost like criminology, where we try and read what Kremlin officials would not say as a way of saying like, oh, that's what they're secretly saying. So what did you make of this?
This woman, whatever you think of her, she understands the DC game. Yeah, she's very strategic and she was very specific.
With her wording there.
Sure, And you know, credit to Ryan who immediately when he heard those comments, he's like, it sounds like she's saying, wait until the thirty foreign leaders are out of town and then we put the knife.
In, right, That's what it sounds like.
And it doesn't just sound like that to me and Ryan and others who are you know, on the outside looking in. Apparently that is the uh, that is the message that congretchual Democrats heard as well, that basically like listen, hould your fire. But once these people are out of town,
then it could be open season. And so there is somewhat of an expectation already after those comments, after the I think the George clooneyop ed, which we're going to talk about was also very influential for whatever that means about the state of our country. But you already had more leaders coming out yesterday. So clearly the aggressive attempts early in the week to shut everybody up and say move it along, this is what's happening. Stop resisting. Clearly
those attempts failed. And you know, the other thing that people point out is Pelosi's language there is very sort of like mob boss esque. It's like, yeah, he's made his decision. Well, he hasn't really made the right decision, so he's got to make the right decision. Here we're going to we're waiting for him to make decision when he's already tried to make it as clear as possible as this decision has been made.
So very, very noteworthy.
There's also some reporting now this morning from Politico which is, like, you know, the insider of insider publications, that she does want him to go, and that she has been saying
that to other Democrats. And even though obviously she's not the head of the caucus technically anymore, no one should be fooled about the fact that this is probably the most powerful Democrat in the city still outside of the President of the United States, perhaps even more powerful than the President of the United States in a sense, because her claim to power has always been her relationship with donors, and no one controls the purse strings the way that
Nancy Pelosi does. That's why she has been so influential for over a decade now in this caucus. And part of the other reporting we have out also is that donations have all but dried up. The donor class wants him gone. I have a lot of questions, but Pelosi may be pulling some of those strings behind the scenes of say listen and do not give to him. We need to push him out. You can use your checkbook
to help make that happen. So a lot that is really fascinating there, you know, prior to her comments, and prior to the clooneyop ed, I was starting to think, like this is that's he's done it, Like he sort of quashed the opposition, He's scared people into silence, he's running out the clock, like his strategy appears to be successful. Yesterday felt like a real turning point that made this once again a super super Live question where maybe now the odds are in the other direction.
That's a good point. I would say, yesterday I was at ninety five percent. Today I'm like seventy five. So I still think he's going to say. I think he's an arrogant narcissist. Although the knives are beginning to come out, whether these people will have the courage to actually do what it takes to stab him. We will see now some of the tea leaves that we can read, not even tea leaves. I mean, this is out in the open. Let's put this up there for example on the screen.
Here you got Congressman Richie Torres, who completely flipped on a dime and today has released the statement he says, regardless of where one stands on the question of Biden's political future. The intra part mixed messaging strikes me as.
So this is the old statement.
Yes, sorry, this was the original statement that was like, everybody to shut up, this is bad for us.
That's right. So this was the original one. Who's like, this is bad, it's deeply self destructive. Now go to the next one, because the next one is where it's important that literally the day after, he says, in determining how to proceed, there must be a serious reckoning with a down ballid effect of whomever we nominate. What matters is not how we feel, but what the numbers tell us.
An unsentimental analysis of the cold, hard numbers, which have no personal feelings or political loyalties, should inform what we decide and whom we nominate. If we're going to choose a particular path, we should be clear eyed about its consequences. Blindness is not bliss amid the terrifying threat of a Trump presidency. And you know, one of the things I was reading into this, and I'm sure you did as well, is what do we know about Richie Torres? You know,
in particular context of this, it's real conflict. Well no, but he's a donor mouthpiece. Yes, So what's been happening is people are panicking behind the scenes and donors, the people, the elites, and he is getting significant upward pressure the same way that Pelosi is by some of these Hollywood financial and other elites in the Democratic Party. Reid Hoffman, right, You know, we don't really know where he stands, I believe.
But we do know where Reid Hoffman stands because Dmitri Melhorne, who, by the way, counterpoints of the debates with Dimitri, and Dimitri's his donor advisor. In Dmitri has been the most aggressive Biden defender on the donor side, but he's kind of alone on an island in terms of the donor class sentence.
So that's why I was confused, because I know Dimitri said it, I know Reid has put out like some tepid statement, but I also had understood that there was like infighting within the Democratic donor world, like around Reid Hoffman. So I don't know, and I do also think that these things are moving quickly. All we could say is when you see the donor mouth pieces like Richie and then begin to change things up, and then let's pair it here next, let's put this up there on the screen.
Senator Chuck Schumer quote privately signaling to donors he would open to a Democratic presidential ticket that isn't led by Joe Biden. I think we see that the coup is coming from below in terms of the donor class and the electoral The elected politicians are stuck between a rock and a hard place where they need to publicly signal support for Biden. But they also they're not stupid. These are selfish narcissists. Because as Richie said, look at the polls,
and we're going to do a whole segment today. It's craziness. Is this absolute savagery for the Democrats across the table. We are looking at a Trump three hundred and fifty, three hundred and eighty electoral vote possibility. Now that's a whole other ballgame from where we were even in a race where Trump was likely to win by let's say one or two points in the popular vote. Now it's like what we can be looking at Obama margins five to six percent.
Well, the other thing that Chuck Schimer and Richie Torres have in common both from New York, and there are polls coming out of New York.
We're going to cover them.
In the polls segment of the of the show that have New York as a battleground state, that have swing districts in New York that Biden is getting absolutely destroyed in there. Things look bad in a state that should be deep blue, that there should be zero uncertainty about. In fact, you have the Lieutenant governor of New York also come out and say Joe Biden should get off
the ticket. There's something else that's very significant about Richie Torres, though, which is that part of the Biden strategy has been to lock in the Congressional Black Caucus and try to racialize the case in favor of him staying, which is really bizarre because the person you're most immediately blocking is a black woman and Kamala Harris. But put that aside. They're trying to say, like, oh, and you see this
online all the time too. Oh, it's all these white men like George Clooney who and Stephen King who want Joe Biden out of the race, and Michael Bennett and the likes. So the fact that you have Richie Torres, democratic coller member of the CBC coming out and saying these things, that's why he's more significant in a sense than the average baron also because he has made himself so prominent with all of his Israel madness.
On good point.
Yeah, So I do think you're right though about them
speaking for the donors. I think that there's a lot to that, and so, just as best as I can understand the overwhelming majority of donors, Joe Biden he has never been super cozy with the donor class up until I mean, you know, it's a little complex because obviously he was a great friend of the credit card industry, the banking industry, so I'm not going to potentially he didn't have donor tizes that would be ridiculous, but he was getting reelected for the Senate in a safe seat
in Delaware, so he didn't build out the type of extensive donor network where these people are personal friends the way that a Nancy Pelosi.
And a Chuck Schumer have done.
Schumer in New York that's one major fundraising base, the other in California. They're the types that have these personal
relationships long time, going back decades. Joe Biden isn't that guy, and there is something with like, you know, Obama world has always even before his decline, kind of looked down at him as not being you know, as sophisticated as they are, and that also filters into the way the donor set has looked at him, So most of them don't have these long term personal friendships with him in the same way that they do with like an Obama also, and so my impression, based on the reporting and based
on talking to Abigail Disney and seeing what's coming out from these groups from people of good sources, is that most of the donor class does want him to go prefers another candidate at the top of the ticket, Reid Hoffman and Dimitri Melhorne, like I said, as his donor advisor, they seem to be fairly lonely in that And as I mentioned before, reporting also says that fundraising has basically is dead, all but dead for the Biden campaign at the moment, and not just big dollar fundraising, but also
grassroots fundraising to his claim that it's just a cabal of elites who want amount and we'll show you this in the poll section as well. Now, a majority of Democrats, including majority by the way of black Democrats, want Joe Biden off the top of the ticket.
So it is a weird.
Coalition of people when you're talking about you know, the potse bros An online lefties and Richie Torres that want the sky on the race, and it's a weird coalition people who want to meant, Bernie Sanders and AOC backing up by and nilhan Omar for whatever reasons they've decided
to take this position, they've taken this position. So it is a strange, non ideological coalition of people on both sides of this equation that crosses all class, gender, race, all every boundary you can possibly think of.
Although I will say the Olds.
Seem to be more inclined to want to keep Joe Biden on the ticket than the younger part of the party.
We'll get to that, and no I'll piss off some of the boomers in our audience. Let's also we be remiss if we didn't point out as well that sitting senators are actually begin to sound the alarm. Actually on the record here we have Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
I am deeply concerned about Joe Biden winning this November because it is an existential threat to the cuntry of Donald Trump wins. So I think that we have to reach a conclusion as soon as possible, and I think Joe Biden, as the Democrat nominee, has my support.
So that's what he had to say. But then probably the most significant was this, let's put this up there on this on the screen, because this isn't just about deep concerns. This is a sitting Democratic senator, the Senator Peter Welch, Democrat from Vermont. Biden should withdraw for the good of the country. We need him to put us first, as he has done before. Now, as always, we start with the platitudes. I have great respect for He's a great He saved our country from a tyrant. He is
a man of uncommon decent, uncommon amongst uncommon men. As David Goggins would say, he cares deeply about our democracy. He has been one of the best presidents of our time. But I, like folks across the country, I'm worried about November's election. Mistakes could not be higher. We cannot unsee President Biden's disastrous debate performance. We cannot ignore or dismiss the valid questions raised since that night. I understand why Biden wants to run. He saved us from Donald Trump.
But for the good of the country, I am calling on President Biden to withdraw from the race. So that is the explicit call of withdrawal coming from Peter Welch. We've seen the alarm sounded by Senator Blumenthal, Senator Bennett. These are moderate Patty Murray, and I think what are
these people all have in common? They're Centrists And I think Christal, what you were talking about a little bit earlier with these progressives is they almost feel in a way they have to overcompensate to defend Biden, whereas these folks they're just channeling the donor class and they probably have a little bit more room within the intra party coalition to speak their mind. I don't know what it gets to, but they have a confidence which I respect.
You know, Look, it's not easy to actually come out and be like, no, hey, you gotta co But what we also have learned is that these people, Bennett, Welch and others, what do they all say when you press them a little bit more. I'm speaking on behalf of my colleagues. I'm speaking on behalf of everybody in the caucus,
and Let's be honest. They're not stupid. They know they knew about Feinstein, they knew about the others, and this is just getting to a completely untenable point because some of them actually do believe their rhetoric about the stakes. And I think Peter Welsh might be one of those works where he's like, I actually am really freaked out by Trump. Yeah, we can't handle this like you are going down to historic proportions. We've got to make a change, And that's why he felt the need.
Yeah, you know, it's interesting with Peter Welsh. I've actually known him for a long time because back in my very early cable news days when I was a guest on the Dylan Radigan Show, Peter Welsh was a regular guy who was a congressman from Vermont at that point, and you know, Dylan always prized Dylan would have Bernie on all the time too, before most of the country knew who Bernie Sanders was, and he always prized people who had, you know, some integrity and would say things
that weren't necessarily the party line.
And Peter Welsh fit that bill.
So it doesn't totally surprise me that he's one of the early people to come out and have a little bit of courage here. And I think you're right. I think it really is separating out. Okay, Number one, there's a whole bunch of political incentives at play now. Peter Wells Vermont is a very safe Democratic seat, so I don't think he's particularly concerned about his reelect. I also don't think he's up for reelection for a while, so
that's kind of pushed to the side for him. There are the donor considerations which are pushing in the direction of coming out publicly and saying something. And you know, there's also just do I have a shred of integrity When I sat there for years and said Republicans are cowards. They're saying behind the scenes that they don't like Donald Trump, but they don't say shit when they get in front of a camera. Am I now going to be that same thing on the Democratic side?
It's true, right right? Watching Blue Maga behavior.
Absolutely, I mean parallels are incredible, honestly, and including in like Biden's behavior and the way that he's approached this and the way that rather than what Democrats wanted him to do was okay, prove to us you're okay right, like, come out, do some stuff so we can look at you and go all right. I think he can be all right through the fall. I mean another four years is a whole other question though, but they just are like, all right, let's just see if you could get through
the fall. Instead of doing that, he instead is like issuing threats and trying to scare people into submission and saying effectively like I'll blow up this whole thing if you all don't just get on board. I think part of what we're seeing too is that that tactic may have backfired.
I think people.
Were really insulted by that. Also, some of the language that came out from the Biden campaign originally about like the bed wedding brigade or whatever. I think that was very insulting as well. And these are human beings who have their own egos and who don't want to just you know, sort of have their legitimate concerns pushed aside or be constantly gas lit or bullied or lied to.
And so I think that could be playing into this moment as well, where it's possible as the week is worn on and people really thought about that letter, it has curdled like sour Milk.
I think you're right. I just think, man, there's so much going on where today really is a big day. We have the press conference. Yeah, but also today is Thursday, so that means that tomorrow the Congress is all going to be flying back home. So if there's ever anything that's going to happen, it's going to be tonight and so.
And by the way, we actually had another congressman who came on CNN this morning around five in the morning, and he says, I'm getting closer and closer to appreciating that as much as I respect Joe Biden, what he's done, what George Clooney said yesterday was really powerful in that he saved democracy in twenty twenty, but he's got to do it again in twenty twenty four, and that he basically opens the door to saying I think what I've heard from the debate is that instead of saying, look,
you know, let me show you I can do this, he's kind of just went at us. And I don't think that that helped him. That letter did not help him amongst colleagues. So admitting there that the forceful Trumpian strategy of you know, watch me, just watch me and it's like, dude, it's been two weeks to the day.
We've been watching.
That's helps you. It's been two weeks to the day, fourteen days since his his debate performance. His first press conference is today, fourteen days to set up a press conference, and you've been doing these BS scripted events off of a teleprompter. The only questions you're taking are from freaking donors.
And you send questions to the radio.
Hosode for the only reporters reading off notes, you'll report.
You're taking questions from the people who you gave the questions to. Yeah, this is madness.
And then the call in to Morning Joe.
I mean that was really the big offense of this this week was like I'm going to do.
This call in.
I'm going to sound really forceful, which, of course you can have aids standing behind beside you.
He admits he's reading off his notes at.
Week's speakerphone with is it.
Still in coherence?
Still like wildly in go here, But this is the best you're going to get. Apparently puts on that letter, tries to assert, you know, meets with the CBC, starts calling people, trying to wrangle everybody in by the way, I also saw they're already starting to put in calls to delegates because they're worried about a delegate coup at the convention.
As well.
There's this what is it conscience clause that technically means that they don't have to vote for Joe Biden even though they're Joe Biden delegate.
So they're starting to get worried about that.
So it shows you though that all of those efforts at the beginning of the week, which again there were a couple of days there when I was like, I think this might have worked. People might just speak too cowardly and just shut up, and he may just grind it out. It's looking a lot more tenuous today, and that's why.
That press conference. There was one report.
From what's his name, Edward Isaac Dovier that a lot of Democrats are actually hoping that he faced plans at the press conference because it will make their decision easier to come out publicly.
That's a good segue, So let's go to the next part. Let's put this up there please on the screen. Today, as I said, the Senate Democrats actually have summoned or they tried to get I think a meeting with Biden, and all they got were Biden advisors Mike Donaldan, Steve Verschetti, and then the campaign chair, Jen O'Malley Dylan. That will be at a meeting that will take place sometime today before the press conference, but all eyes are going to be on that press conference. It is right after the
NATO summit officially concludes. Now, there's a couple of ways that this can go down. First and foremost, as I've said, is that the Biden Whitehouse has had a very concerted strategy in the past, and all white Houses do this, but they do it to like the tenth degree, where all questions at the White House are basically pre screened, not the questions themselves, but who is going to ask the question, so that the president will have a list.
The way it works is that you send your request in to KJP and you're like, hey, I want to ask a question, and they're like, oh, yeah, well what do you want to ask about? And you'll be like, look, you know I'm not going to tell you that. You know me, We've worked together for a couple of years, so call on me or don't. And then basically an hour or so before they let you know, but it's always in a way of I'm doing you a favor. Now from the people I've spoken to previously, they are
able to play people off of each other. So they go and they select the most friendly reporters in the press corps or the ones who they think are going to soften what will eventually be a tough question. This time, though, it's a big problem because the press corps is broken, as they have been lied to now in the span of just two weeks. They're pissed off because, let's be honest, they look foolish because they've been covering this man for
three years and they are exposed as live. So this time their ability to play people off is going to be much more diminished than it was previously. But the White House is still setting this up as some sort of set piece of vent. They're calling it the quote big boy press conference. Quite literally, let's take a listen.
After that, the president will hold a press conference, I guess a big boy press conference.
We're calling it, and take some questions from me only.
Yes, big boy press conference. They repeated that twice in the briefing room.
Yes.
In screen, John Pierre also called it big Here's the thing if it's going to be a real press conference the way that they should be. So I'll give you example. So back in the day under Trump, under actually going all the way back to President Eisenhower, there was no pre screening process. It was just people would come in and there would be a room of two hundred people and he would just sit up there and be like you,
let's go, and they would go for two hours. I'm talking about a real back and forth, the type con troll stuff. Whenever they have something that they want don't want to talk about. They're going to encourage the president not to do that, I think, but they're going to struggle with the optics. So my prediction is they're going
to do maybe four or five. Biden is going to ramble, and he'll try and draw the time out as long as possible so you can say, look, he just took one hours worth of questions, Like okay, if you take twenty minutes to answer five questions, yeah, that's not possible. My hope is that the press corps is so broken, so humiliated, that they're going to shout him down the way that they shout it down. Kareem, Jean Pierre and be like, did you or did you not have a
diagnosistance of Parkinston's disease? Did you or did you not? You know? Actual? Or do you have true confidence you can do the job as commander in chief? Are you fully with it? What have conversations with your family been like this? What about pressure from the donor class hammering him on his ability to do the job. I would hope that that is going to happen. I don't have one hundred percent confidence, but I do believe that so many of them have been humiliated. Yeah, and watching you know,
Chuck Todd and others turn on him. Have you seen this recently? Yeah, Chuck Todd is like, well, three years ago a Democratic senator told me there's no way you can be president again. I'm like, bro, why didn't you tell us that? That seems pretty relevant?
Yeah, you think it was actually was a secretary, cabinet secretary set.
Right, And it's like, that's even worse.
Right, And it is.
I mean, it is really something to now see all of these anecdotes coming out and it's like, oh, now you tell us right, two minutes ago you were saying that these videos of him were cheap fakes and that we were all, you know, right wing ops for even mentioning his age, And I just I keep thinking too about you know, we did those word clouds. Of course, how people feel what the first word is that comes to their mind on Trump and Biden and Trump, it
was there were a bunch of different things. Criminal was the number one, but he was. There were a bunch of different things with Joe Biden. Whether you were a Democrat, especially if you were an independent or a Republican, then number one thing was old.
And the other thing that I've been thinking about.
Too is like, listen, Nancy Pelosi doesn't have it as much on the ball as she used to, but actually, when I'm listening to Bernie Sanders, I'm like, this is exactly the same. It really isn't just age, Like age is obviously contributing fact or anyone who was aging parents, grandparents or whatever. You've seen this, but there are other things going on with Joe Biden. We'll talk more about that in the health block. But it's not just about the number. There has been a marked decline even over
just the past few months. If you go back I heard someone talking about like even if you just go back and watch remember the Brandon the dark Brandon.
Speech with the red background and whatever.
I mean.
It wasn't great, but it was a hell of a lot better than what he could do today. Certainly if you go back to the twenty twenty campaign, and this was at a time when we already were saying, hey, this guy sometimes is really on to lunch and having trouble finishing a thought. Even then you look and it is just a dramatic difference. You had a member of Congress who leaked, you know, didn't say this publicly, but
leaked anonymously that they do like an issues conference. They did this in February and typically it's kind of freewheeling with the president involved in you know, with the caucuses, behind closed doors, not a public event, and they said it was prescripted, like rather than people just being able to ask what they want to ask, you had people reading prescripted questions off of note cards.
And they have noticed the way he's been more and more tightly controlled.
So you, as you mentioned, you've got the Senate Dems who are meeting with Donolan and Raschetti. These are two long time Biden aids. I'm talking decades long, and these are the men who, in all likelihood are probably running the country right now, and they are the ones who have come up with this strategy to just dig in and bully and hold on for dear life because they like running the country, they like having this power. And if Joe Biden isn't in, neither are they.
This is their guy.
And so they are in a lot of ways just as important, certainly as powerful as the President of the United States right now, even though not a single voter, probably very few know who they are, and certainly no one voted for them to be in those positions.
Absolutely, so look, everybody, as we said, we will provide coverage later today, we'll see how the press conference goes, very very hotly anticipated. And this is it. This is actually this is probably the biggest moment of his life, right. I mean, this is arguably bigger than the debate. Because of the debate. I wouldn't say it was the total nail in the coffin, but I guess we got halfway there. I mean, it's up to him. His fate is completely in his hands, and.
The knives are out for him now. He's not going to get any kind of grace. I mean, going in to the debate. The media would have given him some grace if there were a few bobbles, but it was so bad that it was undeniable.
I mean.
To make a prediction, I just don't think he has it in him to get through this performance the.
Way he would need to, yeah, to alleviate.
Concerns, because at this point it's not enough to bumble through the way that he has in the past. He has to actually impress right. And even then, to be honest with you, I think the snowball has already started. But the Morning Joe appearance with his notes, with his aids on a call in, so he's not doesn't have to worry about his face and the way he looks and all of those things. Even then, he's totally incoherence.
The sentences make no sense. They start and they end in this totally different place, or they just sort of trail off into nothingness. I think that's the best he's got at this point. So it would not surprise me if today could be could be the actual nail in the gold.
There is no evidence that he can feel questions with any confidence. We know this from Morning Joe. We know this from the fact that he's denied the Super Bowl interviews two years in a row, that he's done less press conferences than any president in modern American history. The only reason he appears cogent and coherent off the teleprompters because it's freaking script right, So he is.
A teleprompter in donor meetings for six minute comments.
He falls apart under the debate, you know, with Trump now this time around too. Like I said, the press is not gonna cut you when he's slack. If you start going off in a tangent, they're gonna be like, what was that, mister president? Can you not answer a question? Mister president? So under that type of pressure and scrutiny, he's gonna get what do old people do? They get ornery, They're gonna lose his train of thought. He's gonna get frustrated,
he's gonna get mad. He's gonna face real pressure for the you know, really the first time I think under this press corps and uh, look, I think it goes one of two ways. But I think you're right in that I actually don't have confidence that he has the ability left in him at all to deliver the quarter for the strength. And I mean if he does it, you know, maybe one of the great coups of his life. But even if he does what you and I both know, can this man serve four and a half more years now?
Office answer?
Obvious? No, obvious?
Yeah, can he do this tomorrow? Let alone four freaking years from now? Eighty six years old? And like you said, too, look, it's not just about age, But what is the thing about age? It's about risk. It's at the risk of
this type of stuff going on. It goes from one in you know, one in one hundred thousand to like one in what fifty or something, and perhaps with the stress and all the you know, all the factors, his lifestyle and everything, that he just happens to be, like, you know, the perfect patient for something like this to happen to.
I mean, I also think the Parkinson's concern, yeah, I
think is real, are very legitimate, very legitimate. And as I've said before, if you had the same set of facts with Donald Trump, the symptoms experts coming out and saying, look, it looks like this guy has Parkinson's, the visits from the Parkinson's experts, the cover up and the lies from the White House, the fact that they won't answer a question straight all of those and that his personal physician is, like, you know, a family friend and obviously is going to
just say whatever he needs to say.
That the family wants him to say.
You put all those things together, and I think people should have a lot of questions about what is going on there. So we will see what happens tonight. Got to be interesting, guys, it'll be fun.
All right, Let's move on to the other.
This was also almost as consequential potentially as Nancy Pelosi George Clooney publishing an op ed in The New York Times saying Biden should go. And of note, the reason we label this block Obama is because Clooney is a very close by Obama friend, and we've just learned this morning, actually called Obama before putting out this op ed. Reportedly Obama did not encourage him, but also didn't discourage him. Especially noteworthy given some of the lines and the piece.
Let's put the first one up on the screen. Here, here's the headline, George Clooney, I love Joe Biden, but we need a new nominee. Put this pull quote up on the screen. He says, is it fair to point these things out?
It has to be.
This is about age, nothing more, but also nothing that can be reversed. We are not going to win in November with this president very unequivocal. On top of that, we won't win the House, and we're going to lose the Senate. This isn't only my opinion. This is the opinion of every Senator and congress member and governor who I've spoken with in private, every single one, irrespective of
what he or she is saying publicly. You also have to suspect that it was probably the assessment of the former president that he spoke to as well before publishing this piece, and you can rest assured that he read to Obama exactly what he was going to say. Okay, here's the other piece that is incredibly consequential. He says, the one battle that Joe Biden cannot win is the
fight against time. None of us can. It's devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden is with three weeks ago at the fundraiser was not the Joe big effing deal Biden of twenty twenty twenty ten. Rather, he wasn't
even the Joe Biden of twenty twenty. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate, and Sager others have come out now and said and agreed with that assessment that at that you know, star studded Hollywood fundraiser that Jimmy Kimmel hosted and Obama was there and George Clooney was there, and Julia Roberts and all these other people that he looked and sounded exactly as he looked and sounded at the debate. In other words, that was not a quote unquote bad night as the Biden
people want to spin it. It is typical of his condition at this point.
I'm furious about this for a variety of reasons because if you saw it, dude, you raised thirty million dollars for it, and he didn't say anything until after the debate. It's like, okay, I guess you know, thanks for coming out now. But I'm actually more furious at the White House because what lectures did we receive? Those are cheap fakes, And we're going to show you the video of Obama leaving him off the stage. How dare you suggest that
he's not with it? And now we have the central organizer of the fundraisers saying, God, he's gone.
He put The Three Wilstager is speaking here of the b three that shows there's Obama leading him off the stage.
And he's like stuck, you know, in Joe Rodan's words, frozen up like Windows ninety five. I've locked up like the blue screen of death. And Obama's like, here we go, Joe. Now again, I don't want to be unkind, but how many of us have an old person in our lives who we have had to do something similar to? And I think that's also why I trust the American people more than the press corps and everybody else fool themselves, is because we're all like, hey, I've seen it before.
It's sad, but you know, this guy's freaking president and that behavior I recognize it. I recognize it just like anybody else, you know, can deny my eyes and ears for what I can see very clearly before you. But the hilarious part is the response from the Biden campaign now, where they're basically saying what they're calling George Clooney, like sleepy George.
Yeah, yeah.
So their insinuation is that actually Biden has much more vigor and vitality than George Clooney, which.
To the point you've been making.
About how the press score is not buying this bullshit anymore. Just take a listen to Jake Tapper's reaction. This is b too, guys, go ahead and run it.
In response to those comments from George Clooney, Jake, a campaign official who attended that Los Angeles fundraiser, tells me that George Clooney left three hours before the president, So clearly the gloves are off Jake.
But what does that mean that George Clooney left for What's what's the point.
The point of that is to suggest that Biden's stamina is better than Clooney's, and Clooney didn't have, you know, eyes on the entire event. That's the response to the Clooney out ed, Okay.
Sleepy, George only showed up for three or thought three hours early and took a picture.
It's like, uh, they had better things to do. First of all, yeah, probably boring ass event.
Second, he had a conversation with you that we know that there's a picture of it quite literally of you guys talking. I will say one of the other mega donors at the event was like, actually he was totally with it, you know. Whenever it's like, yeah, all right, sure, I mean what we do know isn't this isn't Obama conserted effort because we have multiple other people connected to Barack Obama. Yeah, we're also now saying the same thing.
Yeah, so from the beginning, Okay, so you'll recall immediately after the debate, Obama comes down and says like, oh, we can all have a bad night. We haven't heard a word from that man since that. And there has always been this sort of schism between the Biden people and the Obama people in this sense that like Biden's got a chip on his shoulder about being condescended to by the Obama intellectuals. So there's some history there that's
worth noting. But Clooney very closely Obama tied. We get confirmation this morning that he ran this by Obama before. And also remember Obama is the reason that Biden is the present anyway, because he's the one who helped to orchestrate behind the scenes Pete and all these people dropping out so that Biden could ultimately defeat Bernie Sanders. So He's continues to be an incredibly constant question, the obviously
very popular figure within the Democrat Party. So George Clooney is a close associate David Axelrod, close friend, longtime strategist, has been out for a while. Immediately after the debate is basically saying we got to do something else. And then famously at this point the Podsave Bros, who are all Obama guys and still very connected in that world, have been some of the most aggressive online pushers for
we got to do something else. Both Jon Favreau, who is a Pod Save Bro, and David Axelrod joined CNN to make this case recently.
Let's take a listen to that.
No, I think what's hurting Joe Biden right now is not only the debate performance, but the response to the debate performance, in that he has been unable to articulate a coherent and compelling argument against Donald Trump, who I believe represents an existential threat to our democracy, and the
debate did not. Voters had concerns about Joe biden Agent fitness for the job long before the debate, an overwhelming majority of voters did, and the debate amplified those concerns in a way that was very visceral for voters to see. And so it's like it really doesn't matter what I think. But I hope that the Biden campaign and that President Biden will just like listen to the voters, right and the overwhelming majority of whom do not like Donald Trump,
do not think Donald Trump is honest. But I have had concerns for a couple of years now that Joe Biden is not fit for another four years because of his age.
The President tried to close down this discussion at the beginning of the week with his letter to the House, and what she's saying, delicately and respectfully is no, really, the discussion isn't over, and we still need to have this discussion because she's hearing from members all over the country.
They all poll they all talk to their constituents, and they're worried not just about the existential threat of Donald Trump becoming president again, but also the effect that it's going to have on all of their races.
Yeah, so Oxlad talking there about Nancy Pelosi and why she made the comments she made of being like, you know, he needs to make this decision, even though he's already claimed to make this decision. So them moving on Biden very noteworthy again close Obama associates, and then this morning our producer's flag this. We actually haven't listened to this yet,
so we'll listen to it live. But apparently on Morning Joe, they are getting word from Democrats behind the scenes that they believe Barack Obama is quietly working to orchestrate all of this.
Let's take a listen to this.
We'll say one thing that we do have to underline here just so viewers can follow what's going on behind the scenes is the.
Biden campaign and many.
Democratic officials do believe that Barack Obama is quietly working behind the scenes to orchestrate this.
Well, there's some good reason to believe that that is exactly in fact what is happening here.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's obvious. But this is where again I don't want to give credit where if you're gonna take him out, take him out. If he publicly came out or even behind the scenes he went on the record like with donors, and he's like, it's over,
I'm stepping in. Biden is done, He's toast. Even if he claimed that he wanted to stick in, the existential fallout would be disastrous and also they would be a rallying cry by all of the Democratic senators who are behind the scenes, because who is the figure in the Democratic Party who is more beloved than anybody else, Barack Obama.
And also I think Obama has not only a special responsibility because he served with Biden, but he also critically Biden can't attack him as being like like if Whitmer said this, what is he going to say, Oh, she just wants my job? Or Gavin Newsom he's like, look, I can't even serve this job. I'm telling you you got to go. And he makes that call or at least comes out publicly. That takes actual courage, and he's not displaying that with Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of them.
They're always leaving themselves out. They're like little wheeze. And with that, I can't respect that because what they're waiting for is to have a true emperor. Has no close moment to step in. That doesn't take courage. And also, if you claim to love somebody, you don't want that to happen. Let's preempt that. Yeah, like you said, with this press conference, this could be a freaking disaster. I mean, why would you allow somebody to walk into that.
Yeah, I think there's a sense of almost like, we can do this the easy way.
Yeah, we do this the hard way.
And so they're trying to leave him space to recognize the writing on the wall that you're going to get if you managed to hang on to power, which is looking increasingly doubtful, you're going to get destroyed in November. You're going to be remembered horribly, like anyone who might have had a nice thought about you and still buys into always such a decent man, blah blah blah, which is obviously a much nonsense. You guys all know that, But anyway, anyone who still buys that, that's going to
be dead. Your legacy is going to be toast. This is the only thing you're going to be remembered for. Like they want him to come to that realization on his own and be able to step down without it looking like Barack Obama was like, you have to step down. That's what they're hoping for, is that he can do this the easy way. Do I think the hard way is on the table?
Yeah?
I kind of do, especially with the amount of the donor class that has moved against him. Do I think it's possible that they go so far as mounting a like you know, DNC Convention delegate coup. Yeah, I think that's possible. Do I even think it could be on the table the whole twenty fifth Amendment situation? Yeah, I think that is theoretically possible.
I pray for that possibility more than any other guy. That's actually what I'm the worst worried about right.
Now, right, because this man is incapacitated today, yeah, like today and now right and has had I think dire consequences in terms of our foreign policy, which is the area he clearly still has.
The most command over.
This is why we're he's been sof feckless and so evil with regards to Israel's Warren Gaza. I'm mean, I think it's very clear that that's how we've ended up in this just horrific, unconscionable, devastating situation. So this man has the nuclear codes today, and we are highly doubtful that he can strink two sentences together out of press conference this evening because of past four pm.
That's the reality.
Look, I mean, here in Washington, Zelenski is right here right now, given speeches begging for permission to strike Russian air bases inside of Russia. He wants to use our long range weapons to strike a military base inside Russia. Now, can you imagine a similar situation China providing Mexico to hit Ellis Air Force Base or something like that in America? Get out of here. We're going to full on war.
Yeah, that's right, and he might do it.
Man, you know we're riding on his mind, right, I mean, this is terrific.
It is terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying.
To go back to the point you were making about, like if you're a true friend of Joe Biden, it's so true, yes, Like what true friend would hang him out to dry at that debate when these aids clearly, judging by how much they have have scripted his events and rain him and make sure he's not in the public eye whatsoever. They know what's going on, and they still put him out there.
On the debate stage.
They know what's going on, and they're still putting him out there to be humiliated potentially at this press comp the big boy press conference today, Like you are doing your great friend who you love so dearly, blah blah blah, great ast president of all time, et cetera, et cetera.
You are doing him absolutely no favors. There is actually a parallel with Israel because people have been saying this as well, like Joe Biden, by being such a great friend to Israel's done them no favors either, because this conduct of the war has been a disaster for that country.
Like sometimes being a good friend if you really love the person, means telling them some hard truths, and especially at a time when he is really probably too addle to make great decisions or really understand the landscape himself, and instead he's in this bubble. The Raschetties and Donalans of the world are keeping any negative information from him. He doesn't want to hear. He reportedly gets irate at
anyone who brings him any bad news. So he surrounded with this very small circle of yes men and with his apparently villainous wife, and that's how he has.
Really dug in.
So, you know, will all these Obama moves, will they ultimately amount to anything?
We shall see.
But I will say that the fact that they were not able to turn off this pigot when they tried so hard early in the week, that is probably the most significant development. And I don't know that there's anything he could do in this press conference. That will quiet the concerns at this point, because once you see it, you can't unsee it. Right, once you are in the headspace of like, Okay, this man has significantly declined, like
this is a problem. Then all the data points you had about his debate performance, about the way the fundraisers are scripted, about how inaccessible he is, how he does no interviews, he does no press conferences, he didn't do the Super Bowl interviews. Suddenly all of those things add up to a very clear conclusion. And once you've come to that conclusion, I don't think there's any like, there's no unseeing it, there's no walking back from it at this point.
Yeah, I think you're right. All right, let's get to the poll.
Let's talk about where we are with the polls.
Since so much of the discussion in DC is focused more on Biden's electoral chances, which is understandable, but also important are his actual abilities to govern. But since so much is focused on his electoral chances, will take a look at the very latest of what the polls have to stay about his political position. This dropped like a
stone yesterday. You have all of these districts that are being moved by Cook Political report, which assesses all the races and says how likely they are to go Republican or go Democrat. You have five different races in five states that have now moved to worse ratings for Democrats because of Joe Biden. So this is all to do with the Senate. Arizona has moved from toss up to lean our, Georgia toss up to lean OUR, Minnesota likely D to lean D, New Hampshire likely D to lean D.
Nevada toss up to lean are. Let's put the next one up on the screen. This is really consequential. New York is apparently now a battleground state for Joe Biden.
This is astonishing. No one should even be thinking.
I mean, New York is like the definition of a safe state for Democrats. So the fact that the polls are narrowing in New York at this point, most of the polling has been internal, but you have labor leaders there and swing district Democrats who are saying that their internal polling is looking like a disaster and not that Trump would win it. But the fact that it's even
a question mark at this point is incredibly astonishing. Part of why this is so important Soccer two is one of the questions in terms of the political calculus for all of these cowards in Washington, is what is Joe Biden at the top of the ticket mean for me personally? And my realizing and the down ballot numbers are starting to look extremely dire for those who think that, like, oh, people will just split ticket vote and maybe they'll vote for Joe for Trump for president, but then they'll vote
for Tammy Baldwin for Senate. That just doesn't really happen to a large extent in modern politics at this point. Harry Entston took a look at this for CNN. Let's take a listen Biden.
But the fact of the matter is, you look at the national pulling the generic congressional ballot choice for US House. Look at this CNN poll plus two Republican, Wall Street Journal Paul plus three Republicans. Mom, it's university Paul plus
three Republican. Yeah, Joe Biden may be in slightly worse shape in these particular polls, but the fact is, when Biden's down four or five six points in these posts, you can only run so far ahead of Joe Biden at this particular point, at least in the race for the House, it does seem like Republicans are ahead because Donald Trump.
Is so far ahead.
What's the Senate landscape? Yeah, what's the Senate landscape? I mean, take a look here. GOP needs just a gain of one for control if Trump wins, and their pay is extremely clear because their best chance for a pickup opportunity is in West Virginia. That's a very likely GOP win with Joe Manchin retiring and the best DEM pickup chance perhaps to reverse that, so the GOP doesn't gain net gain of at least one is Texas, but that's still
a likely GOP win. So the fact is, if Donald Trump wins this election, the race of the Senate for all intentsive purposes, in my mind.
Is over.
Let's go back since two thousand, same party, one presidency in Congress. Yes, five times, No, is just one time in twenty twelve the House that year, but the House popular vote that year actually went Democratic, even though Republicans maintain control of the House. So the fact is five out of six times, that's not good math. And let's
just take a look at the Senate here. Senate in presidential races in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty states that voted the same way in both sixty eight states that voted for a different party, just one that was Maine back in twenty twenty. The fact is, straight ticket voting
is the way of the land this these days. The idea that Democrats down bout could somehow outrun Joe Biden is such a great extent to win control in the House or maintain control in the Senate, that seems to be to be an unlikely proposition.
Very very unlike, you never know, but very unlikely. It's just how modern politics is.
There are certain examples that we can point to Pennsylvania right where we had a pretty big split between people who voted for doctor Oz but who didn't vote for Doug Mastriano, and they did vote for Governor Josh Shapiro. It's what contributed to his wide margin. But in general it doesn't really happen, especially at an aggregate level. And at the same time, that was in a race where the split ticket was in statewide election, not national in general.
After twenty ten, the federalization of American politics has made it so that that whole idea of the blue dog Democrat on it basically just doesn't exist anymore. It's gone. I mean there's like maybe one or two people in a couple of these swings. The number of so called swingy representatives in Congress, yeah, all time low for us. So if I were them, I just don't buy it. And we see a lot of this in the polling data. We see Carry Lake now coming, you know, neck and
neck with Ruben Diego. She was down by fourteen points. Now she's tied with Ruben Diego. I mean, if I'm Tammy Baldwin, I'm freaking out right now. So just because my net approval rating is higher than Biden, who cares? You know, huge portions of this population just come in and put straight R. Ever, since they added that to the ballot, it's basically game over Nevada, you know, all New Hampshire, all of these places. This is the real problem for them.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably likely that Democrats will outrun Joe Biden if he's still the nominee by some right, but we're seeing polls right now that have Tammy Baldwin outrunning.
Him by twelve points.
I don't believe that that's just.
Not going to I don't. That's just not going to happen.
And you know, the way this works is if the top of the ticket performs extraordinarily well, like Barack Obama in two thousand and eight. He had these giant cottails, all of these Democratic congressional races that people didn't think were in play, where you had canids who you know, didn't raise a lot of money, weren't really known, and Democrats weren't focused on them at all. They break up
and they, oh my god, I won. Right, So all these seats that people didn't think were possible Democrats won. When you have a president who dramatically underperforms, it's exactly the opposite. There's a reverse coattail effect where you pull down people who may not have even thought that they were potentially vulnerable. So, however it plays out, however much Democrats are able to outrun him, every one of them is looking at this and saying this is a problem
for me. Every single member of the House is up. You've got a third of the Senate that's up. The Senate has probably gone for Democrats anyway, because, as he lays out, they got.
To win Texas, they got to beat ted Cruz this.
Time, which I think is fairly unlikely, unless maybe they do put George Clooney and Michelle Obama at the top of the ticket or something. But the Senate is probably looking pretty grim for them. But the House they feel like they've got a real shot at the margin is already extremely narrow. I think if you had a good presidential nominee at the top of the ticket, they've got a better than even shot at picking it up, but not with this guy.
Not happening.
With this guy, you also have increasing recognition among the party faithful that Biden should go. We can put this latest up on the screen. There's an interesting age divide here though among all Democrats it's plus eight. This is a Yugov poll from July third to sixth, so it's a little bit dated, but this is, you know, an
the immediate aftermath of the debate. Should he step aside all Democrats plus eight Democrats sixty five and older, though, the question is minus thirty five, So the younger you are, the more likely you are to say, like, get this guy out of here. That also tracks with his approval rating is much lower the younger you are among Democrats versus the older you are. But I also saw a new poll this morning. This is a new ABC Episodes poll that just came out, and this is of all voters.
Eighty five percent a voter say that Biden is too old for a second term. Eighty five percent. How do you overcome that? And then you've got in this poll sixty two percent of Democrats saying Biden should step aside. So that would seem to indicate that Democratic base voters are moving against him really rapidly. And to all his claims that, oh, well, black voters still back me up, and there's still we need to listen to black voters you see all the time on Twitter. Okay, well let's
listen to black voters. Sixty seven percent say they'd be fine with Harris taking over from Biden. And we've long, even before the debate, we had a majority of black voters who said that they would like a different nominee than Joe Biden. So, but that headline, eighty five percent of voters say Biden's too old for a second term. You think you're going to be able to overcome that? There's no way, There is no way. It's only going to go higher, Crystal. That's what that's what I think.
I mean, and you're referencing that poll. I mean, when we look at it including more than the seven and the ten independence, so the swing voters, the limited an amount that are up for grabs.
Yeah, want Biden to go. I can't not spare though, our boomer friends. When you look at that, because the numbers that just shows you, you know where the constituency for all this still hangs on. You've still got some minus thirty five percent spread of the boomers who want him to stay in the race. I mean, sixty one percent say he definitely should not drop out. What are these people doing? I mean, if anyone, they're the most
familiar with age. But I think, look, here is my hope, and this is the only way I can try and spend what's happening here as a positive for the country. A devastating Biden loss due to age and or getting forced out may actually be what forces us to be saved from the gerontocracy, because what it means is that it is the final electoral signal to the Mitch McConnell's, the Chuck Schumers, the Pelosi and others to be like
it's over. It is jover. If you will, like all of this has got to end, people will actually pay a price for staying in much longer than they should have. And what these people should recognize is that you're doing you know, if you want to keep the gerontocracy or old folks in power, is that from now till time immemorial, big questions around age are going to be what twenty fifty times more than they ever will were before. I mean in the Reagan and McCain years, everyone's like it
was a sensitive question. Now it's gonna be like, no, straight up, like, show me your health records, everything that you've got if you're over at the age of seventy.
On the other hand, yeah, Donald Trump is going to be serving into his agies.
No, I agree.
I don't know that it would be such a lesson learned since you'll still have an octagenarian.
President in the offer, right.
But my thing is is that after that, are we really going to renominate somebody who's seventy eight years old? Like I don't think so. I think that, you know, twenty twenty eight, we're shaping up for it. No matter what happens, you know, whoever wins or whatever. I think We're shaped up for maybe a couple of fifty year olds.
And if if Biden loses, think too about the rage of the Democratic base is going to be such that they will reward the Dean Phillips and others, and they're going to be like, look, anyone who's spoken out against this, And one of the most potent things that primary challengers will have be like, it's time to go, you're too old, and that will resonate at a deep level.
Which actually is actually ironic because that's how Joe Biden initially won.
That's true nineteen seventies is yeah, I.
Can't remember the name of the duty was running against, but he'd been there forever and he was like in his sixties and he was like, he's too old.
Well, let me draw parallel though, because that's a very important time. The last time that the Democratic base took out their anger on the Democratic elites was the nineteen seventy two election. They were called the Watergate babies and all in that time period, and it was the rage of the base against the party elites who led them into Vietnam and co signed all of LBJ. Hubert Humphrey's actions.
Those elites were actually elected in the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties and are the equivalent of the gerontocracy that we had today. Those Congressmen and senators and others who came in, many of them actually continue to serve today, which is wild. But my point is just that you know, there are revolutions that happened at this time, and every once in a while, the base and others wake up, they're like, we got to get these people out of here.
So that is my prayer for what the results at and there.
Have been some other I mean, it is interesting right now because part of what is so fascinating are these just like weird coalitions of people who are on either side of this equation, and I do think that could potentially shake something looset. The other thing that's been hysterical to me is like the super Biden defenders now.
They hate the media.
Yes, yeah, they think.
The media is being so unfair to Joe Biden, which is hilarious for a variety of reasons, but it also makes me kind of hopeful, like, oh, well, maybe they'll stop being so sycophantic and just trust whatever the media tells him about anything all the time. Is my hope for a sil silver lining out of this. But I mean my real take is just it's chaos right now. How this is going to shake out. It's going to have massive, lasting repercussions on American politics, There's no doubt
about that. What those are going to be, I couldn't say.
I don't know.
It'll depend does he get out, does he not get out, does he win, does he lose?
How bad is it? Who replace?
All this stuff is still very much a live question, which is what makes it so such an incredibly fascinating.
Time to live through.
Absolutely, we got one more here for you, which is pretty interesting. So one of the Joe Biden talking points has been that it's just this cabal of elites who wants him to step aside. Now we just ran through
the polling that shows you. Of course, that's preposterous. It's also preposterous because the idea that Joe Biden has been some like man of the people is hilarious, especially because part of how he's convinced himself that he is like this super special political figure and he's the only one that could be Trump, and he was underestimated for blah blah blah, was by dint of his primary victory over Bernie Sanders in twenty twenty. Now we all know how that went down. It had very little to do with
Joe Biden and his acumen. In fact, the fact that the former vice president had to be rescued by Obama and an actual elite ball behind the scenes was pretty extraordinary. But that was another never something that like an ordinary establishment Democrat would admit is the way all of that went down. But now you had Representative Adam Smith went on I believe, multiple programs to remind people what that primary was actually about and how that actually went down.
And it's pretty amazing to see a regular run of the mill, rank and file establishment democrat admit what that process was actually all about.
Let's take a listen.
And I've said this over and over again, Joe Biden was not picked in twenty twenty because he was the only person who could beat Trump. He was picked because he was the only person that could beat Bernie Sanders, rightly or wrong. And by the way, for the Sanders fans out there, I'm not judging, but that conclusion was made.
Okay, oh my gosh, coming out of Nevada.
Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee, and people just like they are now back then, said yeah, I don't think that's going to work. So they were looking for an alternative. And tip of the hat to Joe Biden. He had the record eight great years as vice president.
Wasn't about he could beat Trump. It was about he could be Bernie Sanders. And so all of these elites that he's now pretending to be so against, meanwhile he's calling them and doing his donor or fundraising pitch and trying to smooth the lotters. All of them moved against Bernie, moved in favor of Joe Biden, and that's how he ends up being the nominee.
Funny that he can admit that now.
Truth comes out on time, Yeah yeah, I mean a lot of us knew it at the time, covered it as such. We're called conspiracy theorists, et cetera. But it is funny.
You know.
It certainly does reveal everything. We will see what happens here with Joe Biden. But I mean that eighty five percent one. I can't really get that out of my head because that's just that's it. Americans degree on anything like literally anything for this I can't think of a more unifying position now for the American people.
Yeah, truly, it is extraordinary. And that's not some elite take. That is the will of the people as it is.
There.
You go, all right, let's take a look at the very latest lies to come out of the White House. So we have been covering these questions about Joe Biden and potential Parkinson's concerns. You've had multiple experts now come out and say he appears to be exhibiting classicsvictims of Parkinson's. Then we find out there was a Parkinson's specialist who visited the White House eight separate times just in the
past number of months. The White House really stonewalled when they were asked about that, which just raised further questions. And now you have Kreean Jean Pierre caught in yet another lie, specifically with regard to this Parkinson's expert who had visited the White House and put this up on the screen from the ap President Joe Biden saw neurologists at the White House.
That's that parkinson specialist.
For the January seventeenth exam, Press Secretary says that is directly contrary to what she had said before. So he saw that expert at the White House on January seventeenth for a neurological exam, they're now saying, the results of which were later reported as part of Zannuel Physical more than a month later. This is the latest line from
the White House that confirmation came. They write after the White House Press Secretary Kreean John Pierre inaccurately said during the daily briefing with reporters that the January seventeenth meeting was not related to care for the President in response to a question from the AP. So, the AP asked her straight out, was this January seventeenth meeting which we
knew was there were four people in the room. One of them was the Parkinson's expert, one of them was Joe Biden's personal physician, and then there was one who remained a mystery. Was this about Joe Biden? She said, unequivocally No. Now she has had to come back once again. This is the second time, just in the past couple of days, has had to come back and clean that
up and admit that this meeting was actually with Joe Biden. So, just to recall how all of this went down at the initial press briefing, she just stonewalled at the question and claimed these preposters like security and privacy concerns, even though his name, the specialist name was in the public visitors logs that was already public, but she saw privacy concerns, security concerns, et cetera. The next time she out and out says, no, this meeting was not about Joe Biden.
Let's listen to her initial comments.
It's not it's not something that the President is dealing with.
Value.
Oh, well, I can tell you this just going back to Parkinson's for a little bit. So to give you some answers here. Has the President being treated for Parkinson's?
No?
Is he being treated for Parkinson's, No he's not. Is he taking medication for Parkinson's No. So those are the things that I can give you full blown answers on, but I'm not going to do. I'm not going to confirm a specialist. Any specialist that comes to come comes to the White House out.
Of private You've noted that there are thousands within the Walter Reeds system, maybe treated by a specialist who visits here at the White House. But this neurologist had a meeting with the president's physition with his doctor. You're refusing to say if he was here to evaluate the president or he was consulting on the president's health.
So what then was that meeting about.
And I will say that doctor O'Connor leads the medical unit. He's literally, he's literally the he leads the medical unit. Oh, because we will not confirm or speak to names that are you're providing to me it is out of security. Reason is out of protecting someone's.
Privacy, security and privacy.
And she very strongly suggests that it wasn't about Biden, because well, he heads the White House Medical Union, so it could be about anything. Then she comes back this time is when she tells the outright lie that that meeting had nothing to do with the president's health. Let's take a listen to how that went.
And you can correct me if I own.
But it didn't seem to explicitly described in the nature of doctor Cunard's meeting with doctor O'Connor. So can you say whether that one meeting is related to care for the president himself?
I can say that it was not.
It was not great.
And I was asked why that information that was released last night just wasn't said at the briefing, Asterda.
Well, no, actually a lot of what is in the letter was said at the briefing.
To be very very clear, I.
Said, many of the things that were laid out in the letter was actually repeated right here behind this lectern, at this post yesterday.
Uh.
It was that hold on. I said many of the things, many of the things, and.
We got claric clarification obviously from doctor O'Connor. But it was in line with what I said when I said only three right, I said, only three visits that this particular doctor had, I said a neurologist. What I was not able to confirm is the name. And the reason why is because we do not share a private information. That is something that we respect, uh, and we wanted to make sure that we protected our consultants here that worked with the White House Medical Unit their security as well.
Gaslighting here just on every level is incredible. So that's where she tells the direct lie that's had nothing to do with the president. Then they have to come back and well it actually was about the parting did meet with the president. But also when she is like all this information was in the pross briefing, no, no, it
was not, lady. And still with this privacy and security concerns, if you were trying to put to bad the idea that president could have Parkinson's, which I think is very much a live and ongoing question, you're repeatedly getting caught in multiple lives by the press Corps is not going.
To help out.
Going to say, I've covered politics long enough to know this. When you get caught lining three times in one week, there's smoke there, Okay, fire, It's not only present, it is raging, and it is everywhere. So I want to know. I mean, there are four people in that meeting, Three of them had been confirmed. Now we know that the fourth person is the President of the United States. Why was he meeting with the president of the United States?
They claim is for a routine physical? Well, then why wasn't he president of the twenty twenty one in the twenty twenty two routine physical? Why did you bring him in in twenty twenty three, which just happens to coincide with his even more rapid deterioration on the public stage. You don't need to be a genius to figure all of this stuff out, and to also know about the
way that a cover up is happening. You know, I've been telling you a little bit about this, but everybody I'm asking who is an actual doctor, is very freaked out by the setup right now under Biden, And if this were Trump, you would hear a lot more about this. Yeah, this doctor is a family friend who tried to go into business with the president's brother. So, first of all, I don't be a damn word that you were saying. Second, and I don't want to piss too many doctors off.
He's a d O only eleven percent. I think of board certified physicians are DEOSS, like doctor of Osteopathic Medicine or whatever. All I'm saying is I was raised enough around Indian mds to be a little suss. Whenever you hear a DOO and a family friend, You're like, what's going on here? What kind of doc is this guy? He's a fan. Look again, he is board certified, So I'm not calling the credentials. I'm only saying there's variance within the industry. I'll put it kindly that way. So
what do we know too here about this doc? He's not some career Navy admiral or any of these other people's been relatively impartial. He's got a lot riding here, He's got his career on the line. Why he has every incentive in the world. And that's the other thing about cover ups, as we all know about the corrupt medical industry, you don't just outright say, oh, yes, Parkinson's, we got to cover up Parkinson's. If he never diagnosed Parkinson's,
he never had Parkinson's. That's what I think we're all watching, you know, right now behind the scenes. But this is what I hope that the presscorp really gets him on, because if we can get Biden on the record about Parkinson's and is later revealed that he lied about it, that's it. We can impeach him for that. I mean, that's it. You have to go. That's a twenty fifth Amendment or an actual impeachable offense at that point, because it has to do with your actual fitness for the office. Yeah.
Well, the other lie that she recently was caught in was about whether Biden had had a medical exam after the debate, and she said no, unequivdly no, and then Biden himself, I think, in the Stephanopolis interview, was like, yeah, I had a check up, and so she had to come back then and say, well, actually he had a verbal check in which I wasn't thinking of as a medical exam, so it's not a lie. And of course the press scorp was like, this is like, you're just
lying to us. That was what triggered actually, Ed O'Keefe in that extraordinary exchange that we showed you where he was so angry and not just him Kelly O'Donnell, a bunch of other of the front row prestigious press people were so enraged and really going at Korean John Pierre was because they had just been lied about this Biden medical exam. So that's why the fact you had that lie. Now you have this lie that she's having to admit
to and cop to. The knives are going to be out for Biden at this press conference because, as you said, Zager, not only have they been lied to so they do not have they have given this White House so much benefit of the doubt. It is preposterous the amount of cover they have provided to this White House over the number of years, going along with the cheap fake stuff,
all of that that's gone. Okay, They feel lied to and they feel humiliated because they know that they got played on all of this and have been played on all.
Of this for years.
So that's part of what increases the risk for Biden at the big boy press conference today is because they've taken the gloves off, you're not going to get the kid handling that he would have gotten, you know, two weeks ago before the debate. That's not happening because they know they have been lied to. They've they've had to admit at the direct from the White House that they have lied to people multiple times in a single week. So that's also part of why this is so consequential.
But also, you know, more to the point, there are some very serious questions here about what's actually going on with the president's health.
And you know, I'm not a doctor.
I can only you know, see what other experts are saying, look at the symptoms on you know, online, and look at Biden's performance. But the fact that there's been such a significant decline just in the most recent period tracks with there being something going on other than just old age. Because as I said before, you know, Bernie's still with it, Pelosi is still probably behind scenes, like ready to cut the cord on him and wielding power and saying the
things she wants to say. You have other Maxine Waters right came out and was like, I'm still I'm older than he is and I'm still good. And she is still fiery like you, whatever you think of her, she is still firing with it. Trump is old as hell too, and he still seems, I mean, his little incoherent, but he's always been a little incoherent. His energy levels are
certainly there. It's not just age. So some sort of diagnosis does make sense in that context that there's something specific happening with Joe Biden, and then you see the White House lying and spinning and getting caught over and over. It does not help put those questions to bed.
No zero. I am very concerned about the state of the president today, like national security twenty fifth Amendment level concern today. Yeah, considering dragging this out is madness. And you know here we have a genuine scandal with his health where he won't even consent to a cognitive test.
That's right.
Remember that's right.
If you're good, take one every day, if.
You're good, to you with a neurological examiner will be from an independent expert, not your buddy, Yeah, exerts yes, and then that's the result, the results to the public.
Right then okay, maybe we can talk.
But that's the one thing he's been very clear and cogent on is his absolute refusal to have a neurological examination so that people could have some sort of sense of what's going.
On in his ed. He's like, that would be weakness, that would be admitting that there's something there, And it's like, no, dude, when eighty five percent of people think that you're too old, like you have to prove it to them that you actually can run.
Oh listen, we all know. If he could do it, he would do yeah. Right. If he could have done the two.
Hour press conference right after and taken a bunch of questions from the present, all of those things, he would have done it. He would have taken the super Bowl interview if he could prove his line was always, you know, if you think I'm touill, just watch me. Okay, we've been watching, and you haven't been giving anyone any comfort whatsoever. Quite the contrary. So if he could do what needed to be done to put the doubters to bed, he
would do it. The fact that he doesn't and won't tells you everything you really need to know.
Yes, that's right. All right, let's shift gears a little bit to Donald Trump. We're still on deep watch here with what is going to happen with Donald Trump's vice presidential pick. Allegedly there were a couple of people who had made the shortlist, Doug Burgam, Marco Ruby, and jd Vance. Trump appeared on Brian kill Me's show to and Brian kill Me asked him about each of these and he actually kind of laid some of the things about each one and why they might be good. So let's take a listen on.
Your vice president candidate. Word is that you will pick jd Vance because of his facial hair?
Is that?
Is that true?
Facial hair number two? Doug Doug Burgham the thing that hurts Lincoln, right, He's a he's a handsome man. Doug Doug Burgham on abortion in North Dakota. He signed something legislature handed him. Does that hurt him?
Well, it's a little bit of an issue. It's a pretty strong man, you know. I think Doug is great, but it is a strong he's taking a very strong stance or the state has I don't know if it's Doug, but the state has it's so it's an issue.
And lastly, Mark Rubio, where Mark Rubio and being from Florida, would that stop you from from picking him.
No, but it does make it more complicated. You know, you do that, and it makes it more complicated. There are people that don't have that complication. Now it's fairly easily fixed, but you have to do something with delegates or there has to be a resignation, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So it's not like picking some people where it's very easy where there is none of that Florida meeting.
Two people can't be running on the same ticket. You actually can, but they take delegates, and taking delegates is a very risky thing to do.
Right see you Milwaukee, mister President. Thanks so much for the quality time for audience, and thanks so much for the insight. Do you think you'll make your pick tomorrow, Vice President?
No, not tomorrow. I'll make it close to the convention. I would love to do it the old you know, it used to be picked during the convention, bruh, And it made the convention frankly more interesting. The pick used to be during the convention. That's what I'd like to do. But it you know, with modern technology, if you can believe it, it's like everything else, And like voting used to be better with old paper ballots, I mean modern technologies. There's a lot of things, and it makes it easier
if you pick before the convention. But I'd love to be the old fashioned way and during the convention.
Okay, so let's go through some of the things that he said about Doug. What did he say? He started off with Jade Vance and space. This is a stupid article that came out in the Bulwark. I don't even know why Brian Kilmead is talking about that one. The second one is Doug Burgham. I actually think that was the most consequential thing that he said. And then the
third about Rubio. He's talking about the residency requirement. But to actually go through some of like the pluses and the minuses, one of the things we're talking about before the show is I would not put it past Trump to actually take somebody out of those three. Now that the race has so fundamentally changed, in a world where New York and Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire are on the ballot, pick Clen Younkin like I would pick a hyper moderate, you know, a blue state, red governor and run him
who's friendly to the donors. Because now I'm going for broke. I'm going for three hundred and eighty electoral votes. I'm not going for a narrow victory against Joe Biden. I just think in this blowout scenario, things could change, and I do think his mind probably has shifted as a result of what has happened here. Now again, I don't know what each of these three, whether this three is
even the final list. The campaign manager, Chris Lesovita, continues to poo poo any discussion of like this is the final list or that's not even true. So there's a lot of spinning going on. And the thing is too with Trump. I mean, he didn't make the Pence call until very very late in the game. So I actually believe him when I say it's going to be right up before the convention. I really do.
Yeah, he's junkin has been pretty popular in Virginia. I think tactically young Kin makes a lot of sense for him, because I do think he could potentially put Virginia in play. I also think that he is don't class loves him, right, Trump's raising a lot of money from Wall Street and whoever Youngkin is kind of he's sort of undefined nationally, so that's a good thing as well in terms of shaping. He's not going to overshadow Trump, that much is for sure.
He doesn't have a super you know, charismatic profile any of that, and he has been somewhat of a moderate governor in Virginia, So I think tactically that makes a lot of sense. Is he going to reach outside of the ones that have been leaked to the press of the finalists?
I have no idea.
I do still stand by I think Trump will make what he at least perceives to be a tactical play, which is why I've always been I just have never understood the case for jd Vance because Ohio is a rod state. You're not bringing anything into play there. He's not from a demographic group like he's a white dude, you know.
So if you.
Believe the identity politics play of like we're going to have a Latino and then Latinos are going to vote for us, which I think is nonsense, But a lot of people believe he doesn't make sense from that perspective, I saw someone floating like, oh, well, he's young, so maybe young people have over which I can't even believe that they would think it's just so silly. So, you know, Trump, this is this is very consequential election. It really matters that he's able to pull it across the finish line.
The landscape has suddenly gotten much less certain. They are hoping and praying to God that Joe Biden is still at the top of this literally because they know they will be able to wallop him come November. If it's a question mark who's at the top of the ticket, I mean, I think you could get someone in here that would be a lot more difficult for him to
deal with. I think there could be a scenario where you have, you know, a candidate who feels like a new fresh face, and that people who were so disgusted, which this is another unifying sentiment, so it's such disgust that these are the two choices that were left with. Once again, I think you could really have a bump for that person if you, you know, made the right strategic choice. So he's in this sort of difficult position because he's having a pick a vice presidential candidate without
really knowing what the landscape is. So that makes it even more important that you have a very tactical choice, because on the one hand, he could be looking at the you know, the historic landslide where he wins Virginia.
On the other hand, he could be looking at a much more formidable candidate than he's facing now, in which place, you know, being having a vice president that more people feel comfortable with and that puts states in play that otherwise might not be in play, becomes more consequential.
So I genuinely don't know. I have a I just have a.
Gut feeling that he's throwing us a little bit off the trail with the people that have been leaked to the press, because you know, he's a showman. He loves a surprise. He wants it to come out of nowhere. He wants people to not be thinking. But I agree with you the Doug Burghm comments that I think is probably real. I think that he feels like the abortion thing with Doug Burgham that kind of ruled out christ you know him. I think he probably does feel like that's a genuine.
Talk for him about that with Rubio, although he does tease it a little bit. So let's take a listen to that.
When will you make an announcement? Maybe tonight.
And if he's not chosen, will he be what did he play a role in your administration?
Well, he certainly will. And he's a fantastic guy, and he's a friend of mine and he is one of the top people. And let's see how we do over the next week. But probably over the next week or so, maybe even at the convention.
Well mark out come a long way, he said, maybe even at the convention. I'm taking in a look at that. Let's put this one up there please on the screen, and these are the predicted odds in the betting markets. This is all just based on public reporting. So you've got jd Vance, Doug Bergham, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Glenn Youngkin there, Tulsa, I don't know where the hell that's coming from, Tulsea Gabbard, Bavik Ramaswami, and Tim Scott. I would put Tim Scott way higher up on that list. YEA, yeah,
I don't know. I'm feeling Glenn. Look, all of these I think are possibilities. A lot of it will come down to exactly the hole that he's trying to fill here. And like I said, the case for Vance that people are making to him is basically, look, this guy will run your administration. You can do whatever you want to do. The only reason I'm skeptical of that is Trump doesn't really care about governance. The other problem for JD is that there is a lot of donors hate him, especially
over Ukraine. Let's put this up there on the screen from the Daily Beast. Trump donors on the brink of civil war over JD Vance for VP, and people like Rupert Murdoch and others are adamantly opposed, whereas Marco Rubio and Doug Bergham our boat. Rubio is beloved by the donor class. He's a tea party og, Paul Singer and the rest of him adore him. Burgham is both filthy rich in his own right, and he is genuinely friends with all of these donors. So that's to his benefit.
JD doesn't have the same like donor based per se of the people who like him. He hates the wal I was at a speech last night that he gave. He was going after the Wall Street Journal editorial board, you know, So there's a lot of those financial people who really hate him.
He's a he himself a financial person though.
No, he's a venture capitalist. There's a big difference right between Wall Street and v see. I'm just saying, like I'm just I.
Mean, it's it's definitely part of the financial industry.
Okay, but he's not out there out of the corporate tax cuts. And there's a pretty big difference between the Wall Street Journal and a bil board is like, oh, actually a corporate tax rate should be zero. Right. One of the reasons they hate him the most is because he praised Lena Khan at this at at a convention, said she was the best member of the Biden ministry. I mean, as you know, that's unforgivable for a lot of these folks. So anyways, Wall Street people don't like him.
Wall Street Journal people don't like him. The Wall Street Journals owner doesn't like him. So and then the Ukraine thing is a problem for a lot of the neo cons.
Were what do you think about it? We were talking about this before. I think you view this a little different than me. But I feel like it's also a problem that there's all these clips of him on CNN and like saying negative things about Trump, So that a problem. And I know Trump really values loyalty and JD has gone out of his way to sort of display his.
Loyalty in recent years.
But someone who could really totally change on a dime like that, how much can you really put stock in their long term loyalty?
He could to put it two ways. You could be well, I've got a lot on this guy because he's somebody who he's somebody who like he previously criticized me, so now you know I have that over him as a way to question his loyalty or whatever keep him in line. You could also put it the way that he said, I don't know. Look, I mean the Trump family, the Trump Junior and all those people. Trump Junior wants Trump to pick JD. Vance even today's tweeting out his clips.
He keeps talking about he's the only America first candidate. So if he's forgiven him, I don't know. It's one of those with Trump where look, Rubio ran against him, right, Rubio said he was unacceptable. He's on the list Burgham was on our show running against him.
So you know the now all three, what do you think about the Rubio I'm no skeptical of that one, because Rubio's also bought some really big moments.
Yeah.
Yeah, just in terms of Trump, thinking about the showman aspect and does he really you know, does he really show up when he needs to show up? Obviously had that infamous horrible State of the Union response, he was embarrassed by Trump and by Chris Christy during the Republican primary debates back in twenty sixteen. I mean, in the sense that's ancient history, but I do think that those impressions linger of like, oh, this is someone that when the chips are down, they don't really show up.
Yeah, that's right. I would Actually that's probably Rubio's biggest problem. Yeah, I mean the other thing is Trump. This would be a case for both JD and Bergham is that both of them are at least good enough on television who are defending him, at least with Bergham was not good on our show, but he's been done well enough on CNN and elsewhere going after Joe Biden, etc. So that could be the role. I really don't know what Trump wants in a VP, because last time around it was
I just need these evangelicals and to solidify them. This time, the dynamics are different. I mean, basically, the evangelicals are all weeping and crying because they slightly softened the pro life language in the GOP in the RNC platform, and Trump is basically like each.
Shit get over and the way.
He's right, it should tell them that. So but this time it's like, what is the constituency? Like I said, are we going for the swing state voters? If we are, I'm going for Yunkin. Do we think that we're just gonna win no matter what? And so I'm going to think about governance. I would pick JD. Do I have money problems? Now I'm picking Doug Bergham. I mean I could, I could make the case for all four. Yeah, I really don't know where his mind is.
Right.
The JD governance thing again just doesn't make sense because you can he can be your chief of staff, you can run your you know whatever is like the critical agency for you.
You don't have to have him on the ticket.
So I just the electoral case unless you're just looking for someone who can be like a bulldog for you on cable news. But again, he'll do that whether he's on the ticket or not. So I don't know, But I also can't claim to understand the mindset. And I think it's possible Trump hasn't even fully decided because the landscape is so much influx right now that he's having to recalibrate. He may be running a totally different race than what he thought he was going to be running.
Do we think it would be a fool not to because now it is not about Trump. It's not even really it's about inflation, but it's not really inflation. This is about this man is gonna die like tomorrow. You need to elect me to save us from this urgent crisis. Now Trump will benefit from the same phenomenon that Biden did, where people are not voting for Biden, they're voting against Trump, right, same thing.
So now you get the phenomenee though that's right if Biden's nominee.
I don't know you have it even with Kamla. I mean you could prosecute the case of like, what what does she know?
I think she knows.
I think he knows how to run against Kamala. I mean she's just she's been in the public eye enough. They thought enough about her. I'm sure they have APO on her. But she also will get to pick, you know, if it's compless, she'll get to pick a vice presidential you know, and Andy Bisheer or whoever to round out that ticket as well. So it makes the selection more difficult for him because he doesn't know who he's up against.
He doesn't know, he doesn't have any special insight. He's reading, looking at all the things that we're looking at and trying to make his best guess as well. Earlier this week on Seohn Handity's show, he said, I think Biden's got too much ego to drop out. I think it may be him. Things have shifted since then, so is his assessment different today?
We don't know.
He's playing the same game in a lot of ways that we are, and having a pick a vice presidential ticket without knowing whether you're going to be going against us historically weak candidate or someone who may be more formidable, which does make those tactical concerns much more paramount because you've got to make a choice that is going to play, whether it's against Biden or Kamala or question mark candidate that's out there that way.
What I would do if I were him is I would wait until the very very last possible moment, I would have definitely mendidates and I would wait, and if I were him, maybe I would even vote until the convention, because we'll probably know by that point whether Biden is going to.
Be I think we're going to have a good sense. We'll have a much better by the end of day tomorrow, honestly.
So if dropping, then okay, now we're changing things up a little bit. If Biden is staying, okay, now we're you know, we're like I said, we're going for broke, We're going for three hundred and eighty electoral votes. So I think that things could change still rapidly. And you know, even if you read his street, a lot of these VP picks they only come together at the last minute. The Sarah Palin thing, it wasn't final until like six
days before, four days before, yeah, something like that. So you never know, things can change them.
Yeah, and they also typically are not that consequential. Yeah, well, Kalen ended up being consequential. Biden in the arc of history ends up being consequential.
Not so much.
In terms of brock Caine one, I don't remember much about it. Yeah, I guess people didn't really care them.
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, he's just sort of like a.
Morphous dad on the ticket.
Mike Pence was important, so it's not like it's it doesn't matter whatsoever.
But in any case, we'll see where it goes.
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