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She's newly independent, she's lost her own show, and we are very excited to have her here on Breaking Points.
Candace, thank you so much for joining me.
Thanks for having me. I'm glad we could finally make.
This work absolutely well. I guess it's been a long time coming. It's kind of something I wanted.
To talk to you a little bit about. So I've followed this story with great interest. Friend of the show, Glenn Greenwald, a reporter, we can put this up there on the screen. He had reported previously that you'd been secretly hit with a gag order, and we wanted to just hear from you in your own words to the best that you're able about what happened here in the departmenture from the Daily Wire.
You know, in my own words, I can't really say much at the moment, unfortunately. I obviously have been paying attention to everything that has been said publicly, and there may be an opportunity for me, hopefully in the near future, to make a statement of some sort. But I do also want to respect the process, you know, the judicial process, and not do anything that would get me into trouble.
Fair enough, all right, well, then tell us a little about you've launched your own show. Clearly this is a result of some of the comments that you had made previously in the months prior, specifically about the Israel Palestine conflict. I have seen you very mischaracterized in some of the comments that you've made, so I actually just want to give you the opportunity. What do you think about the conflict after October seventh?
You know, I have been probably one of the most consistent public commentators when it comes to foreign conflict. I don't believe that we should be getting involved in Ukraine's or Israel's war. I did not believe that we should be involved in Afghanistan. You know, my position is now
being characterized as isolationist. I'm comfortable with that. I don't see how the people that have been raw, raw raw, let's go to war all the time can still stand on the idea that war has been beneficial for America. It makes entirely no sense for our news coverage to be wall to wall about Israel's borders and not our own. When America is cleaned up and when America's borders are secured, you could maybe ask me about whether or not I believe we should be reaching overseas to help other people.
But I just don't feel that way. And I think it's really disgusting that people try to use World War II propaganda and imagery to suggest that if we don't, that there's something wrong that, well, why.
Don't you want to go defend Jews?
You know, they're kind of putting it in the context of Adolf Hitler and World War Two. If you don't want to help out or secure Israel, I'm America first. I'm unapologetic about being America first. And also regarding Bob net and Yahoo, he has said things that if you are a true American patriot, you should be outraged that man has openly said that he is controlling elements in America. Don't worry about America, he said, We've got them under control.
Don't worry about America. We're getting laws passed. If any person criticizes Israel, they will.
Get into trouble.
How dare you purport to be America first and then stay silent on a foreign leader of another country speaking as if they've got America under siege, as if Israel is what is controlling America. And when you add that up with the things that we have heard when the ADL John Greenblatt was sort of caught on the hype math on the hot mic pardon talking about TikTok, it
should make every America, every American uncomfortable. I believe in national sovereignty, and I'm not fearful to stand up and speak out when the question is Israel, no more than I was fearful when the question was Zelenski was talking like a thug and a gangster.
Right.
It's very interesting on the issue of Ukraine, all of us can agree on that, and yet there seems to be some sort of exception whenever it comes to Israel. I think you and I are both in a place where it's like, look, I don't have anything against Israel, but I just think we should treat it like any other nation, and any other nation that would be actively lobbying or pressuring things inside of our nation. I'm just
going to object to that from America first principle. Why do you think, though, given you had a lot more experience than I have, inside some of the highest echelons of the conservative movement, where does the exception come from? Why do people either want to stay silent or create the exception for Israel in their rhetoric?
I think left and right, what it comes down to is that we have people that protect the military industrial complex. I think a lot of people purport to be conservatives, they're not conservatives.
You know.
What they ultimately serve is the higher power of the military industrial complex, which has been controlling our media for a very long time. I mean, show me a war in which the media wasn't on board with, in which the media said, oh, maybe.
We shouldn't get involved. I mean, I'm talking.
It feels like since not eleven it has been NonStop war. And I go back to nine to eleven only because that's kind of the first indelible mark on my childhood where suddenly we were being propagandized into believing that dropping bombs forever was a sensible foreign policy position. And I think now you have people who are truly America first, who are calling out neocons and saying, this makes no sense. Why is Nikki Haley signing bombs? I mean, it's completely psychotic.
I don't care what country it's for. I wouldn't sign the bomb even if it was for on behalf of America. It's not something that someone should do. And so, yeah, I think what's really happened is the American mindset is shifting. But within the media it does seem to me that they are just pro war in general. And then of course there are some people where you do have to
question their allegiance to America in general. There does seem to be some individuals who seem to have more allegiance to Israel than they do to America.
And that might be because of money.
Maybe they're perceiving money, Maybe they're on part of me getting money in some capacity, receiving money from Israel in some capacity.
I don't know that for sure, but some.
Of it just doesn't even make any sense of why they would be this committed to Israel outside of some financial incentive.
Well, let's stick with that, because I had Tucker Carlson on this show, and he got into a lot of trouble when I asked him about Ben Shapiro, one of your former colleagues.
You don't have to comment if you don't.
Want to, but he got a tremendous amount of criticism for questioning why exactly somebody would have such a deep attachment to a foreign nation that was characterized, I think unfairly as anti Semitic. We put it previously, just like a discuss if you put that on any other nation, it's obviously within the realm of discussion if you see and they're previously I think many conservative commentators you could get upset about people waving Mexican flags at an immigration
rally and say what exactly is going on here? So on that ground you were talking there about money and foreign influence, etc. How do you find the amount of incoming criticism? How are you able to wade through that and to try and to speak both honestly and then protect your flank, because clearly you have suffered a lot of criticism and also now professional consequences as a result of what you've been talking about.
Yeah, I'm just proud of myself, and I'm also proud of the American people because they just didn't accept it. They knew that it was a nonsense, and I think that they're recognizing.
The old guard is failing.
So the idea that if you are America first and you're unapologetic about being America Verse, that they're going to be able to take you out by calling you anti Semitic, racist, sexist, misogynists, I.
Mean, throw it on the list.
I could care less at the end of the day what I'm being called. What I care about is what the American people know and what the American people understand, And the American people believe in me.
They know where I'm coming at, how I'm coming out.
This issue, and they know that there is an anti Semitic bone in my body.
If there was one, Why would I go work.
At a company that was partially founded by Ben Shapiro? Why would I go work for Prager you for two years? But it doesn't even make any sense, And so they're asking the American.
Public not to believe their own eyes.
They believe in their old witchcraft where they could take a person and then completely delete them from the universe by calling them a bunch of names. And I'm stronger than that, and I think the mentality people that follow me is stronger than that. And I think they're frustrated. You can sense their frustration that it's not working anymore, and that brings me great pleasure.
It does.
It brings me pleasure to know that these old tricks aren't working. So what they are going to have to do, if they realistically want to stomp out people and ruin their lives for the crime of criticizing a foreign nation, is they're going to have to compete.
In the battle of ideas.
They're going to have to come to us and say, this is why it makes sense for you to send money overseas, And they're going to have to win.
On that basis.
You know, they're not on the basis of feelings and emotions, but on the basis of the proper facts of why it would make sense for any American to pledge their allegiance to a foreign country above America.
And guess what, there isn't a fact where that makes sense.
And Cannon is I mean what you just referenceds battle of ideas I mean this was canon for a lot of these you know, like you just mentioned two individuals, Dennis Praeger and for Ben Shapiro on this issue, though it does just seem to be like substantively different. I want to ask you know, in all your years of the conservative movement, has there been any other issue where it invited this much criticism internally and ultimately and tempts at cancelation.
Well, a lot of it for me, is reminiscent of BLM, and so I didn't encounter this in the conservative movement because the Conservatives were anti BLM. But it's all of the exact same tricks. Like when I stood up and I said no, like, obviously you can't just use your identity and say I'm a black person, So now you can't criticize me, or criticize my movement, or criticize the Black Lives Matter Corporation. Black Americans were really upset. They
were like, but look, we've had this traumatic event. It wasn't October seventh, but it was George Floyd, right, And how dare you question anything after George Floyd was killed?
Well, you're seeing the exact same.
Narrative play out right now post October seventh, How dare you question anything after October seventh? What about Jewish people, what about Black people? What about anti semitism? What about racism? Post George Floyd, they were going around calling everybody racist. Everybody was a collective guilt. Everyone was responsible for what happened to George Floyd, except for George Floyd who overdosed, obviously, but that was the perspective. Same thing post October seventh.
Everybody is responsible. Everybody's anti semitic. How dare you question what we're going to do? And in reality, what you had when it came to BLM was people that had become racial extremists accusing everybody else of being racist. And I'm seeing that right now. You see a small group of people who have become in fact, racial extremists that are accusing everybody else of being anti Semitic, were simply remaining rational and thinking about things in the context of
rationality and what makes sense for America. So I'm not moved by their emotion.
Whatsoever, Kenness.
I want to ask you about the free speech you know, there again similarly a principle one which was held up I think rightfully, you know, by both of US and really watched as like you said, during BLM, there were several attempts at cancellation, and free speech, at least extensively was a bedrock principle of the new kind of conservative movement.
But we've also seen some recent attempts, not just in your case, but at a institutional level to really go after to silence and perhaps even use state power on this issue of Israel and a free speech. What's that been like for you watching that, you know, possibly from some people who he used to make common cause with.
Yeah, well, it goes back to what I was saying earlier about listening to Netanyah who say that he's got his legs in different states, and here they can control speech and no one will be able to criticize Israel. People should go pursue that clip and listen to it, because that's deranged. That is a person that has no respect for your country but believes that your country has actually been subjugated to his country.
And to the extent that any.
Conservative would defend that or pretend that he didn't say it, or pretend that it's not problematic, let me tell you you're not looking at someone who is.
A conservative they're not a conservative whatsoever.
And like I said, I have a very positive perspective on it because despite the attempted public hanging, the public lynching of Candice Owned so to speak, it didn't work right, it didn't work, and so that tells you that Americans are fed up.
They are fed up with this.
They need to get more creative if they want to take out people for being America First.
I don't know.
Maybe what's next for me is they're going to say, ten years ago Candace looked at Egene Carol Funny.
I don't know.
I think that's they're going to have to move to that to their other favorite strategy of.
Trying to take somebody out.
But you know, we're here to say the America First movement is here to say and we make no apologies and not even in the face whether it's Israel, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq, we make no apologies for prioritizing our families, our country, and our Christian beliefs first for many of us.
Kennison, I want to ask you about Donald Trump. So previously supported Donald Trump. I think you've defended him. You've done one of the better jobs I've seen of defending him. But on the issue of Israel, how are you squaring some of the rhetoric that he's had on this conflict. We have, for example, just a sound by from one
of his more recent interviews. I'd like to get your reaction and kind of how you're thinking about it as an America first conservative control and we can go and play that please.
So Number one, they have to finish the job. Israel has to finish that job. They have to finish it quickly, strongly, and they have to get back to life again because it's taken too long. They have to finish the job, saying go win, win, and finish.
Got to win, got to win.
Israel was the most powerful lobby in the country fifteen years ago. Today, between Talib and AOC and all of these people, what they're doing Israel, they don't have the back end that they once had.
You'll give it to them.
Yeah, I have. I'm good, I'm good, But they don't have the back game. Even Schumer has become like a Palestinian Chuck Schumer, Jewish, always strong for Israel. He's become like a Palestinian hall for elections in the middle of a war. Yeah, it's a very bad thing. It's a very sad thing, and it's a very dangerous thing.
What do you make of that? Candas, Yeah, it's interesting.
I would also love to interview him on the topic of Israel would be super fascinating. I think what he is rightfully hitting on, though, is that Israel is facing a pr crisis.
There's no question about that.
You've never heard people speaking about Israel in this manner. I mean, even in terms of me, I've never questioned anything when it came to Israel, and yet you're starting to see people ask questions and start to research. And I think partially it's because they've overplayed their hand. They just started acting like bullies and like thugs. Same thing
with BLM. I keep going back to that because they basically ran the BLM playbook like you will be subjugated to us, you will say what we want you to say, these are a.
Talking points, or we will ruin your lives. And that doesn't work long term.
What works long term is actually standing on truth and standing on reas. And so he is correct to say that the Israel lobby, despite the fact, but it is the most powerful and that it, you know, Apak is the most powerful lobby. I think next to Big Parma, Big Parma might be a bit more powerful, so you'll have the fact check me on that, but they are there are two of the most powerful lobbies in DC.
Despite all of that money, you are seeing that the people are not accepting that that should be a reason that we have to pledge our support to Israel.
So they are going to have the shift gears.
And in regards to what he's saying about Israel needs to end the war. As long as he's saying Israel, Israel, Israel needs to and not America America, America needs to I'm comfortable with that.
Interesting, So I guess I want to follow a little bit on this.
I've seen, for example, reporting Miriam Adelson gave some one hundred million dollars to the Trump campaign, largely, I believe in in exchange for not the Trump campaign to a super pack, in exchange for allowing Israeli governance over the West Bank. We've seen Trump adopt, i mean, frankly, some more pro Israel rhetoric than President Biden. Just again on the sticking of the America first kind of theme, how are you going to evaluate that in your support for Trump?
Going forward for me if he gets into office, and I hope that he does, because the truth reality is, we have between two candidates to choose from, and obviously Trump is the candidate that people should be voting for. But to the extent that he is going to use the office to further israel interests above America.
I'm not going to be happy with that.
His base is not going to be happy with that, and his feet should be held to the.
Fire over that.
You and not even just issuean just Ukraine interests doesn't matter any foreign country right now.
America is not.
In a good enough situation to be helping any foreign countries right now with anything. That is the reality, and so I would hope that he is not taking money from any individual with some implicit promise that he's going to do things for other countries.
That's not the way it should work. I don't even think lobbying should be Yeah.
Wow, well don't disagree certainly on that one.
Sticking again on the Ukraine theme, what is your confidence level here last time around?
I think we could say it's relatively mixed.
Back, you know, Trump in terms of I was there, I covered the White House at the time, there were any neo Khans from John Bolton to occasionally listen to Keith Kellogg this time around. What's your confidence level that he really would bring the war in Ukraine to an end, that he would kind of retrench the United States from NATO interests, like in terms of expansion on Israel and in foreign influence.
How are you feeling about the state of things right now for him?
You know, I have heard about some conversations that he has had and I hope I'm not wrong, but I do I feel confident that when he gets back into office, he is going to be remarkably America First. I think he actually regrets some of the things in his first term, and largely that was because, I mean, in four years, you're kind of.
Just playing catch up.
He thought that he was going to get into office, the media was going to leave him alone. I mean, they kept the fire on him the entire time, and I think that he did sort of trust other people around him to do things, and from what I'm hearing, he has some regret about that and he would do things differently this time that I hope that what I'm
hearing is correct. Obviously, we're not going to know until he assumes office, If they allow him to assume office and they don't come up with another pandemic, I think they're talking bird flu now, and we're going to have to radically change elections. But this is a huge issue, like we need actual American first people in control of America. That is the truth, and we haven't gotten that in
a very long time. And there are tons of reasons for that, and I think, namely, a lot of it seems to me to be fear They seem.
To be fearful.
Either they're crooks and they're accepting money or they're fearful, and you know, which begs to question how many of our congressmen are blackmailed?
You know, it's a huge question.
Listening to Thomas Massey talked about the foreign influence, it's a huge wake up call for Americans. We cannot go on like this. We cannot be a nation if we are not sovereign Cannics.
Who do you think Trump should pick as his vice president?
Mviake Ramaswami?
Interesting? Okay, why do you think it should be Vivac?
Because I think that Mavik Ramaswami is just one of the most brilliant minds I've ever been around, and I think what he needs is not a person.
That is saying to him, oh, you know, there's so many documents being thrown at them.
Look, take a look at his bill. Vike Ramaswami will do the work. He will read everything, he will grasp the difficult concepts, and he will be able to present to Trump why what he is doing is or is not America first, in a way.
That is clear. And that's what he needs.
He needs a business partner, not someone that doesn't have that capacity. I think Viake Ramaswami is the way to go. And I'm nervous that if you pick somebody that is a neo con so to speak, they're going to do everything they can to make sure that Trump is taken and that person becomes the president of the United States. He's got to pick someone who's unapologetically America first, and not somebody that is afraid to say things boldly.
Yeah, Tuck Carlson said he wouldn't vote for Trump if he picked Nikki Haley as vice president.
I was there, you feel interesting?
Also, that is not about Tommy Haley?
What about what about Tom Cotton? What about Mike Pompeo?
Any of those other folks if they were at a place in the Trump administration.
He should not go within ten feet of neo cons And if he's reading the room correctly and he's seeing where America, where the American consciences, especially under the MAGA party, we want real, unapologetic America.
First, Kennis, what did you make of Mike Johnson and the passage of the Ukraine aid I allegedly did it at least with some Trump support.
Were you disappointed in that?
I am disappointed that.
Listen, My dream for president right now would be Thomas Massi.
Okay, because it seems to me.
That he is the only person that does not make any concessions. And obviously I understand that given Trump's position and in terms of what he's trying to do, inevitably we can preach and we could say, oh, here's what I would do. You inevitably are going to make some concessions.
But I think Thomas Massey has the correct perspective on the way things should be handled, So he would probably be my number two in terms of Actually, I'd be happy with a big Ramaswami or Thomas Massey in the VP role because these are individuals that I think they know do not care about which way the wind is blowing. They are actually principled America First leaders.
And it's disappointing.
It's disappointing that money keeps being sent overseas, especially when you understand how difficult it has been for Americans.
Suffering at the gas pump, suffering to put.
Food on the table, and constantly being lectured about some higher moral aim.
Well, what about Ukraine's borders? I don't care.
As a strong stent, I literally do not care about their borders.
I don't care about Israel's worst.
Stop asking me to care about somebody else's home before mine.
I won't do it.
Kenn, Just tell us about your new show. You've rocking it to the top of the charts. It's doing pretty well as I understand it. I'm pretty sure the media doesn't like it. Nobody's been reporting it. I've been there. I understand too what it's like to be the top. Nobody wants to Nobody wants to acknowledge. What's it been like.
Now you've branched out on your own and you have this new new platform.
It's been absolutely amazing, and I'm so grateful to everyone, and that made that early investment on locals dot com or just like come back and be independent. It's been amazing to be independent because there's no fear, do you
know what I mean? You actually get to decide what you want to talk about every single day, and you get to get that immediate feedback from people, and there's no constraints, so there's no well, we got to be careful here, we want to make sure we don't upset this person, or we want to consider this.
The energy has been amazing.
The team is excited, and we're motivated, like I'm motivated in a way that I haven't been motivated in a long time.
And so despite obviously being the global.
Trend of my exit and the many things that we're saying, at the end of the day, I know that God wanted things to happen in just the way that it did happen, And I feel so much that God has been with me on this journey and on this path, and I'm just grateful, you know, to be number three overall on Spotify, number five overall on Apple and doing it truly on my own with my very very small
team around me is amazing. And also I want to say, to be on top of the charts with Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, that is a very strong statement to the establishment, Like though US three there, that's a strong statement. It is letting you know that the American people don't care what you have to say. They just want real conversations. They don't care if people disagree. They want to know that they being brought different perspectives.
They know when they're being lied to.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's that's an excellent point, and that's one obviously that for some reason people don't pay attention as to what exactly people are yearning for. Just if you could speak a little bit more on that topic of free I felt that really psychologically as well, no longer being attached to a larger organization, leaving for principles and then launching our own thing that really, you know,
blossomed into the platform that we have right now. I think a lot of people wonder from the outside what it's like, you know, to work in a media environment where ostensibly you can say what you want, but there are a lot of outside pressures. What is it like to work in that system? If you could tell others about it, yeah.
I mean what I would say, and obviously I've moved through different corporations. What I would just say is that if you are sitting at home and or you're sitting at work.
And you are having that urge and.
You're thinking, should I take a chance on myself? Well, if I don't, there's this security and what if this happens. If you feel about urge, you should do it, you know. And I think that for me, I just didn't feel that I could. I don't know, I guess say everything that I wanted to say, and I'm not blaming that on anybody, but I am saying that I feel a difference now and I.
Feel very motivated by the response.
I think people can sense my happiness, they can sense that psychological freedom, and there is a reason that people are responding to it in the way that they are responding to it. And so I want people to just be encouraged and to know that when you pursue truth, you inevitably end up at God.
And when you stand on the side of goodness and.
On the side of faith and on the side of God, you will be rewarded. That is my honest belief, And so I just want everyone to feel encouraged because in the end we win. Truth wins in the end, so be on the side of truth.
Well said Candice. Where can people find out more?
Well, if you guys, I'm on YouTube and you can. I think we put on two hundred and fifty thousand subs in sixty days on YouTube, which is absolutely incredible. So you guys can find us on YouTube. We're on Spotify, we are on Apple at the top of the charts. And if you guys want to support our work, please find us on locals dot com. If you can give a gift monthly or annual, do it. And if you can't, just pray. I'm telling you it is the prayers that
kept me safe during that public lynching. People all around the world have been praying for me, and your prayers are working.
Well. There you go, Cannus, thank you so much for taking the time.
I really appreciate it anytime