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Thank you for joining me. Oh thanks for having me, Sucker. Thank you absolutely.
I owe my entire career to this man, and I always say that to anybody who will listen. So I appreciate you very much, and especially though about what you're doing now. You've launched this new company, the Tucker Carlston Network. You're free of cable news, I think for the first time in decades. So first and foremost, how does it feel and what do you want to try and accomplish now that you are generally free of the system.
So I'm following your path.
I probably never would have done it if it hadn't been done for me. So I'm grateful that I was unexpectedly bounced from my last job, because you know, inertia takes over and you get in your tunnel and you just do your thing every day, and having a daily show, as you know, is like it's so busy that you don't you can't think about anything in larger terms. So I'm sincerely glad that I was forced to make a change.
I have over the last year really come to only read independent media just because I don't trust anything else. So I'm proud to be in it. And what I want to do is really simple. Create a news company that can't be canceled. I mean, having been you know, IM not whining about it, but you know, having been silenced to couple of times several times, I don't want that again. So you know, you need a business model that is impervious to coordinated attacks against you, and that's.
The subscription model.
Because I'm happy to have advertisers, but you can't be dependent on the whims of advertisers in a world where you know, there are very well funded organizations designed to bully advertisers into leaving you. So that's why we went with a subscription model. Part subscription model, but mostly I want to do what you do, and I think most people in this world do cover the stories that are getting no attention at all, that are often the most
important stories, certainly the most interesting stories. And be honest, be really honest, as honest as you can possibly be. And you can only do that when you're in a certain headspace. Absolutely, but I think it's super important.
Yeah.
I mean the day you were let go from Fox News, I texted you. I said, I believe that this is the best thing you've ever happen to you. And I still believe it. I'm curious, though, there's a big debate amongst media experts. They're like, well, box news is a machine and all of this, but these don't seem to
really grapple with the decline of the medium itself. So I'm curious, do you think independent media and even the company that you are building, could it ever rival the power of cable in terms of cultural cachet, in terms of driving politics or do you think that they're still going to retain a lot of the power that they still have.
Oh No, I think they're done and for a couple of reasons. One is business related. I don't think the model works. It's too expensive. By the way, I don't think NBC News will be here in ten years. I bet my car on it. So there's that. I mean, they're in declining inexorably. I actually have lasted a lot longer. The age of television went on much longer than I thought it would. I started doing it in nineteen ninety five. I had grown up in it because my dad did it.
So I've seen it longitudinally for over fifty years, and I'm just amazed at its durability.
But everything comes to an end, our.
Lives included, and so yet, No, that's definitely going away. But I also think not to be preachy. They devalued their own currency by lying too much. I mean, you know, people lie, they share the truth, they hold things.
I mean, that's just like part of the human condition.
But you can't be just like a flat out propaganda organization, for like Pfizer, because it's just too obvious. And when people figure out that that's what you are, they don't trust you, and in a world with choices, they will choose not to believe you, and then they will choose not to watch you, and that's exact, and the number show that that's happening. So the other thing I would say is that it's not simply about convincing all three hundred and fifty million Americans of something the way our
society and all societies are structured. If you can convince you know, the top two percent of the population who engage with this stuff daily, who are probably making most of the decisions, you can have a massive effect.
On the whole country.
And so like Substack, for example, you know, I can't believe how many substacks I subscribe to. I pay for because I want to support it, but also I get a lot. I mean, they've taken the place of what small magazines were when I was a kid, or books were when my father was a kid, you know, a place for people to air their views in a longer form and in a more honest way, like what is going on in our society. You can actually learn a lot from Subtec. You learn absolutely nothing from the cable
news channel. So just that it's a small company, it'll probably never be a huge company, but it's had a huge effect. Shows like yours that came completely out of nowhere, you know, with people who were not nationally famous, and then you become nationally famous just because you're being honest. I mean, like, look at your own life. It kind
of tells the story. I don't know how old you were when you started it, but your a cent and the ascent of a number of people like you, not just to cover politics, but who are you know, effectively cultural commentations or comedians who are honest theovon You know how many people have heard of Theovonn last year?
Maybe you know some, but.
All of a sudden, Theovonn becomes this phenomenon because he's honest. I mean, so there's a massive space that's all reaction against the lying, and I think it's like the bright spot in America in twenty twenty three.
Oh, it's very kind of you to say.
I think one of the things that's true, what a lot of people want to hear from you, I think, is that you played the game at the highest level. And so are all of our suspicions true about what's being told to people in the anchor chair, about what you can say, about what you can't say about commercial impact, about the pressure in the cooker situation, as to what's being controlled that people are seeing.
You know, I really should write a book on this, if not that anyone would read it, but just to sort of work out my own thoughts about it.
You know, again, when you're working in a.
Business that's that regimented, you know, the show every night exactly the same time, it can be late.
You know, it's like your whole life.
And I wrote my script, So my whole life was about writing my script, like that's kind of all I did. So I was telling you that to admit that I missed a lot. I personally, because this was not my first show. It was like my eighth show that I'd had over the course of my life. I made a very clear deal with my employer out loud and just said, look, I'm not going to be told what to say or think.
Period.
It's not my company. If you don't like what I'm saying, take me off the air. But I'm not going to sort of say or not say something because that would violate my conscience and I can't do that. And they agreed, to their great credit, and then at the end they exercised their option and pulled the plug, which is was their prerogative.
And I wasn't really mad.
I was confused, but I wasn't mad about it, and I'm not mad now.
So I'm not really sure.
But I will say, looking back on it, the Ukraine War and the VAS and to some extent January sixth, on which I think I've been fundamentally vindicated. And I had out of step views on all three things. But two of them were absolutely you know, were red lines, like you couldn't go there. And I'm not exactly sure why. I mean, I think for different reasons. The VACS, because obviously the pharma companies are the biggest aver tizer in media. They don't advertise to sell their products.
You're not you know, people.
Aren't buying mostly you know, they can't buy them directly, So why are they doing that. Well, they're doing that not to sell the product, but to influence the coverage of the product, and that's very effective. So I crossed that line in a big way because I thought the
VACS was dangerous and it turns out it was. And then on Ukraine, it's like every single person in the top one percent for income and influence, like literally almost every single person heard this weird frequency, this dog whistle that commanded them to worships Lenski, and I'm not exactly sure what that was. I looked at Zelenski and I'm like, that guy's really bad. He wants to get my country
involved in a nuclear war. And you know, I don't know him, so I'm not attacking him personally, but anyone who wants my kids to risk death in a nuclear war is my enemy.
It was just kind of that simple.
So I was like, this guy's evil to the extent that he's acting against my children's interests.
And saying that was like, oh my gosh.
It was like a bomb going off, Like people couldn't even deal with it. And I'm not quite sure what that was, other than everybody in aspenin Huckett, Jackson and Bethesda was like all in on this thing. And someday historians will discover why. I really don't know, but but that fact is true.
That's such an important point.
And this is another thing too, I've always respected the most is you know, to a certain extent, I rejected the system early on, but you came up in it, and you also openly gave them a middle finger, even while growing up next to them, living next to them, for years. I've watched it with Ukraine, and I watch
it now with Israel. You know, I watched in particular there was a lot of consternation around some comments you made, I think by Ben Shapiro another where we were like, well, I've never seen this level of care about Americans who are dying of fentanol, which I think is a traditional nationalist message, and yet I've watched the entire kind of right wing ecosystem get embroiled and fundamentally, what is a
third world conflict? Now we can say support, you know, not support, We can have criticisms et cetera for that, but what explains this like literal allegiance to narrative on Ukraine on Israel? Why is it that so many of these people don't see to have the same level of care for actual American citizens?
You know, I find it really distressing, And in both of those conflicts, I approached it with a clean conscience because I just don't have strong feelings one way the other, and I'm not hostile. I've never hated Ukraine. I don't have any feelings about Ukraine and Russia the same thing. I've never been to either place, and I'm not invested emotionally, so I could I could just look at it from
an American perspective. In the case of Israel and the Arab world, I've spent a fair amount of time in both, and I like both. And I felt terrible for the people who were killed on October seventh. I still do so didn't I had no weird motive. I was just like, thinking about it from an American perspective, is this good for us?
Or is it not?
And I was just amazed by the intolerance and the willingness to immediately go to invective and character assassination.
And it's like what I said, you.
Know, first of all, if the people who live in Goza are being moved out are so evil and dangerous that they can't live in the region, why would you want them to move into my country? I mean those what are you saying they can't live there because it's too scary to live next to them, But they can live next to me. So I at that point, that's I felt very hostile about that because it showed such contempt for me and my family and my neighbors and my country. It is my country. That's how I feel
about it. Anyway, it's all of our country. And so I was like disgusted by that, and I said so, and I don't know why that's weird. Why wouldn't I be offended by that? And then it was immediately you know, I'm a hater, a bigot or something like that. None of that registered with me because you know, first of all, I've been attacked for so long, but attacks that aren't true.
You know, if somebody said, you know, wow, you've gained some weight this summer, I'd be like, oh, it would hurt my feelings because it's true.
Someone's like someone's.
Like, oh, you're a hater, you hate You know, that's not true.
So I don't really care.
But I did think it showed like the level of not just corruption, which I knew, but of like emotional instability and crazy. I mean, there are people and I stop reading any of it, but there are people on the right who have spent the last two months, every single day focused on a conflict in a foreign country as their own country becomes dangerously unstable, on the brink of financial collapse, with tens of millions of people who
shouldn't be here in the country. We don't know their identities, or the purpose of their being here, like stuff that could destroy the country for real and make it impossible for my kids to live here. They've said nothing about that, and they're focused with laser intensity on foreign conflicts. And
I'm like, at some point, I've got four kids. If I'm so caught up in the problems of my neighbor's children and completely ignoring my own children as they get addicted to drugs and kill themselves, you know, I'm not against helping my neighbor's kids, but clearly I don't love my kids. I mean, that's that's you know, that's the only logical conclusion. And they don't care about the country at all, and that's, you know, that's.
Kind of their prerogative.
But I do because I have no choice because I'm from here, my family's been here hundreds of years. I plan to stay here. Like, I'm shocked by how little they care about the country, and including the person you mentioned, And I can't imagine how someone like that could get an audience of people who claimed about care about America because he doesn't obviously right.
Right, Well, I mean, Tucker, we've seen it too on free speech. I mean, people who've built become multimillionaires, who've you know, made entire careers, who've you know, literally became famous,
you know, on this very reason. I know you've spoken about this previously, but it's very important to our audience as well, is that, you know, standing up for free speech rights of people do disagree with is is probably the most important exercise, and we've seen some of that come for American citizens on Pali Sine, how do you work through this too, when we're both under such immense pressure, even social pressure of like how could you support this?
You know, take maybe the context of the university presidents. We've got billionaires like Bill Ackman, who's there.
I'm curious what you make of this.
My assessment is they're upset that they're not included as marginalized within the DEI regime. They claim to be against the DEI regime. But will you really keep going to make sure that you know, all this racial hatred and all this other has been enshrined and elite institutions will be you know, once you get a win, are you really going to keep going past that? What's your assessment of this general moment on Palestinian you know, free speech hypocrisy and more.
Well, we have free speech in this country, and it applies to people we disagree with by definition period. I mean, it's the first rate guaranteed that of course, it precedes government is given to us by God, as the document says. But it's the first right enumerated in our founding documents.
So it's the foundation of the country. And so you can't give any any ground on that, like none, and anyone who would give ground on that, and I would include the governor of Florida, who I think is a good governor and I like him personally, but signing a you know, signing a censorship bill and completely unacceptable.
And I don't care what your motives are.
I mean it led this spring there was some black nationalist group that was indicted by the Biden's Justice Department for its views on Russia. And my first thought was, you know, that's not acceptable. Now, how much do I have in common with the black nationalist group that I guess probably hates people look like me. Actually, I probably one hundred percent chance i'd like him if I had dinner with them. There are really good guys. I mean, I just sort of feel that. But but whatever, it
was irrelevant to me, you can't do that. You can't try to put people in prison for expressing opinions the government doesn't like or the ruling class doesn't like, or any opinion, any opinion, any opinion must be protected, or no opinions are protected.
So anybody who seeks to limit my.
Ability to say what I think, believe what I want is treating me as a slave. As a slave, I mean, not as a human being, and certainly not as a citizen. That's just really clear. And I don't know why people don't grasp this. And but you know, one sort of parenthetical ironic note to see people who spent a career mocking you know, the sensitive liberals on campus who are on safe spaces and they're you know, feeling in.
Danger because opinions are violence.
Say that exact same thing, people feel unsafe what you know, No, no, you know, words are not violence. You have to tolerate them in a free society, or it's not a free society. As to the question of DEI, the whole thing is Jim Crow. I mean, it's grotesque the idea that certain people, on the basis of immutable characteristics, get certain privileges and other people are hurt on the basis of their immutable characteristics.
Like that's totally incompatible with America. It's got to be a colorblind meritocracy or it can't keep going because it's a pluralistic society. There's no majority of anything that has, you know, anything in common. So to keep the country together, it has to be based on merit I mean, game this out. And also, by the way, we're going to
get to violence really soon if this stuff continues. If you tell people that this group or that group is bad because they're in that group, because they look a certain way, or because their parents look a certain way. If you tell them that, over time, that group's going to get hurt. And we don't need to guess about this will actually happen in Europe not that long ago, but it's happened throughout history.
So why are we tolerating this?
Been for a second and the reason, of course is white guilt and self hatred.
Well whatever, get over it.
It's not about white people, it's not about any specific group.
It's about the country.
The country can't continue if we allow this to continue.
So I think.
Dei is you know, people, we don't like it because.
You're right, it hurts you or whatever.
Well, okay, but yeah, sure, but that's kind of not the point. I wouldn't like it was aimed at Filipinos, and I would be, as everybody is loud about it, like why would I like that?
It's totally immoral.
It's the thing we said we hated Jim Crow and the nurrembern glaws.
I mean, name it.
It's like it's the original sin of man attacking people on the basis of things that they can't control they were born with, Like you can't do that.
Period.
For years, people have been like, you know, Tucker is a Trump Sicka fan, and I said, well, I've always said I thought you were misunderstood because you would criticize Trump for things that they do, but only for things that they didn't want you to criticize him for.
You would praise him on.
That, but you would criticize him for things like economic policy, for foreign policy, for things though that the liberal establishment actually agreed with him on. I know you talked recently about supporting Trump as a result of the mar A Lago rate and more. I'm curious, you know, given that his biggest is his biggest legislative accomplishment as president was
a Paul Ryan style Tax Cuts and Jobs Act bill. Yes, what's your confidence that things will change economically in the second term or do you have any confidence at all?
I mean, you're absolutely right.
I was offended by that, not on ideological grounds, because I don't think that's what the country needed. And the fact that the carried interest loophole remained in that legislation enraged me then and it enrages me thinking about it now. I mean, I don't think that we should have different tax rates for you know, work or money. I mean I think, you know, if you invest, you pay the same tax rate as someone who goes to work every day period. And I don't understand why we have, you know,
the richest people paying half the taxes. I think that's like actually insane, and it will make your country volatile over time.
It discourages work. How could it not.
They don't want you to smoke cigarettes, so they tax cigarettes more than they tax say, eggs, and that, you know, discourages people from smoking. Well, if you tax labor at twice the rate of capital, what are you discouraging labor? And I believe in labor. I believe in work. I think it confers dignity.
I really mean that. It's not a talking point.
It's true for me, if I had a billion dollars, I took it to work every day because I'm a man and that's my identity, it's my purpose.
I want to contribute something.
So any society that discourages that is insane, and that Bill continued to do that. So yeah, I'm mad about it, and about a lot of other things. I mean, but on the other hand, you're like, it's a choice, and you got to go with the better one. I guess in general, I kind of just want to stay out of politics because it's it's not appealing to me on any level. And also, honestly, I just really don't like
the people just personally. You know, Nicki Haley's like a disgusting person in person, and I just don't want to be around anyone like that ever in my life, because I'm fifty four and I just life's too short, and I have all these wonderful people I love around me.
I want to be with them and my dogs.
So however that you know the Rada mar A Lago, the Colorado Supreme Court decision yesterday, you know those are kind of you know, that's too far, And so it's not about defending Trump, the man who I actually liked personally, can think he's hilarious and interesting. But even if I hated him, I would still feel the same way that you can't allow that. If you allow, say, someone to be punished without being convicted of a crime. The Chloro Supreme Court said yesterday that Trump has to be punished
for committing instructional He's never been convicted of insurrection. So if you allow that, it's like I think Sagar and Jetty is a you know, wife beater, so.
We're gonna put him in jail.
Well, actually, he's never even been charged with wife beating, much less convicted.
How can we put him in jail.
Well, that's a precedent that can't stand. You can't have that. And I would say, by the way, same for Joe Biden if they tried to a to Biden and be like, you can't do that because you'll destroy this essential thing we have, which is a fair justice system.
But nobody else seems to care. But I care, you know, yeah, you certainly do. I'm curious.
You know, you've always taken a lot of flak too, again from the establishment here in Washington, mostly right around your position on economics. You talked about the carried interest loophole. I'm curious what you think of unions and Republican policy towards unions, especially given that so many union voters are now backing Trump not just for cultural reasons but also for hope and a different type of economic message. How do you think of Republicans should think about unions.
I mean, I have so many of course, in a union have been my whole adult life. My father was in a union, you know, after SAG and I as a kid worked in a union plant and a factory and for three months, so you know, I've seen it from a bunch of different angles, and I've worked in union jobs in television. I mean, the idea of unions is very appealing to me. You need a counterbalance to
corporate power. You know, there's the owner of the company and then the people he employs whose labor makes him rich, and they should have some power too. I completely agree with that one hundred percent. Labor unions in the United States have behaved so despicably, sold out their members so completely on the issue of immigration. I mean, labor unions were responsible historically for limits on immigration because more people
willing to work for less undermines the bargaining position of labor. Obviously, I mean that's not high math, okay, And so for labor unions to be encouraging mass immigration, I'm trying not to use vulgarity here, but screws over their own members and betraying people you're responsible for is the greatest possible.
Sin, do you know what I mean?
That's I mean, that is the worst thing you can do as a human being, in my opinion, So I'm very mad about that. I like the idea of labor unions one hundred percent. Show me one that actually advocates on behalf of its members and I'll send him money because I love the idea of that. And labor has no power, not just labor unions we say labor. We all produce labor, and we don't have any power. All power is concentrated in finance, not all power, but wildly
disproportionate percentage. And those who like you know, if you're twenty three, you think, well, that's kind of how economics works as in the world.
No, no, no, no.
No, no, It wasn't always this way at all. Farmers had massive power. They feed the country and keep them from starving. They had the Grange movement of the late nineteenth early twentieth centuries.
I live next to a.
Grange building which is defunct because they farmers have no power. Of course, now, I mean I could go on forever, but the point is the idea of unions is not only good, it's essential, and the people who run them have really been disgraceful. And I would say that's true across the board. The military. It's like the military is, you know, some of the best people in the country serve in the military, and they are led by the
worst people, right, I mean the Republican Party. I like, you know, rural Republican voters some of the best people I've ever met. The people the RNC some of the worst people. So you have this weirddynamic of you know, the bulk of people being pretty decent, pretty common, sensible, pretty you know, warm and tolerant, nice, and then their leaders being like utterly rapacious and deceptive, creepy.
It's like that, Tucker, how do you think Republicans should handle the abortion politics? After Roe versus Wade, which has been pretty significant downward pressure on them at the ballot box.
How should they approach it? You know, I don't know.
I'm the last person to give politically, and my brain doesn't work that way, and I you know, I just I'm not I would be.
A terrible strategist.
And I've been a kind of a terrible strategist in my own life. Obviously I keep getting fired, so you know, obviously I'm not very good at that. I can send my own feelings on it, which are super simple if you can sit. I mean, there's no dispute that of a child in the woman eight months as a person, of course. And if you allow people to kill other people because they're inconvenient, then you've that's a profound statement. You know, you're not allowed to kill people except in
self defense period. Otherwise you are a monster, and you're reserving the powers that no human being can have because we're not God's And so the idea that the government would encourage people to kill other people is really scary.
I feel that way about euthanasia.
I feel that way about the death penalty a lot of the time, and I just think we're and I'm not Catholic, just just to be completely clear. This is not someone else's theology that I'm parroting. It's just very obvious. I am a Christian that you and if I weren't, and the times in my life when I haven't been, I had the same view. You don't want to encourage the casual killing of other people. That's like terrifying and by the way, it'll come back and get you.
So. But the other thing I would say is like the fertility rate.
I mean, at this point, we're you know, kind of below I would say, we're below replacement. I haven't seen this the latest numbers, but we're clearly below replacement. And if you don't have children, the whole point of life is of children, is to reproduce. And every other culture and every other period and recorded history has felt that way because it's self evident.
What's your purpose on earth?
Well to continue, you know, to continue your line, your genes or whatever with your descendants. That's that's the most basic human desire. And we deny it's the most basic human desire. We do everything we can to thwart it. And you have to ask yourself, like.
What is that?
I mean, is the problem in Janet Yellen, who is a ghoul and a disgusting human being who got rich, you know, from the banks. Issue was supposed to be regulating them at the FED. She said six months ago that the like the most important piece of our economic.
Policies that you have more abortions.
And it's like, really, if you think having more kids is the problem, and a lot of these people really do think that. I have to like wonder about your motives a little bit. If you're if you're encouraging me not to have kids, you don't like me. And this is like the crazy thing about black you know, the and I have a really good Black friend who I always say this to. It's like if I say to you, you know, you're great, just don't reproduce. We don't want
more people like you. You know, the abortion rate in Black America is super super high. There's a reason for that. It's playing parenthoods everywhere. They target that community. And I don't know why more people don't say, if you're targeting me or my children and trying to convince us not to reproduce, then.
I don't think you really love me.
You can tell me you love me, but if you're trying to get me to have an abortion. I think you may be lying, but nobody says this because it's framed in like my rights or whatever, really bodily autonomy. You're gonna give me that lecture after the COVID vacs my body, my choice? Where were you when they were forcing my children to get it?
You know what I mean?
My body might They don't believe.
That for a freaking second.
They're liars, But why the rest of us not respond with like, hey, shut up about my body, my choice, you vax creep.
You know what I mean?
I remember a lot of a lot of people who made that exact point and were absolutely shut down at the time. I know you're on a tie schedule. My last questionnaire is we have shared, we have shared passion for UFO transparency, and you made a comment very recently which has gotten a lot of attention in the UFO world.
They've learned things that have made you afraid. And I've seen there's been a lot of I think right minded skepticism, not even just from not even just from people who were more established minded others who are like, well, if the government is quote unquote acknowledging UFOs, and that's how I know that it's not real. So you seem to be a believer. You've spoken with Dave Grusha. I've met him as well. It seems like a very uh he at least at the very least, I don't think he's
lying to me whenever I was spoken to him. So what gives you assurance that what you're hearing, what you have, what you've come to believe is not a government siop so.
To speak, Well, everything's government, including UFOs, but that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that.
There aren't UFOs.
And I think I know the comment you're a franchios on Clayton Morris is an OL friend of mine called Clayton Moore podcast.
Is a great guy, really interested in this topic.
And I said that there are things that I don't want to talk about, and I, as usual, didn't fully explain myself. If I had, you know, verifiable facts about this phenomenon, I would immediately put them on the air because I'm committed to that completely, because my whole life is about that. So I should have said more clearly, I can't be certain this is just what I believe based on, you know, talking to an awful lot of people about this, some of whom I.
Trust a lot some of them I trust sort of.
I mean, you're trying to piece it together from lots of different places, but no, they're there.
These are my views.
Okay, they can't be proven, but I think they're in form views that the phenomenon is real.
It's been recorded for thousands of years.
We know that there's something buzzing around us in the skies, but also under the oceans we now know, and probably underground as well, So it's real. The government's lied about it a million different ways, probably for a million different reasons, for at least eighty years.
That's also confirmed. They're lying about it now.
Who knows what their motive are, and they're also trying to keep a lot of this stuff from being disclosed.
That's true. Yes, So do those people think it's a.
Siop, Well, yeah, everything's a SIAP. But I know for a dead certain fact and it's provable.
That's ay.
Mitch McConnell and Speaker Johnson and people who should in a couple committee chairmen who should all know better, are trying to prevent the UAP Disclosure Act of twenty twenty three from taking effect in a meaningful way. So they are trying to hide it. Still, that's a fact. My own view is that these are not aliens. There's no evidence that they've come from somewhere else. We would probably know.
We've got a lot of a lot of technology that's watching what comes in and out of the atmosphere, and there's no evidence of that.
I think they've been here forever. They're not. This is my view.
Again, I can't be proven, but I'm just telling you after a lot of conversations, I think it's likely that the US government has had contact with these direct contact, and you know, over a period of years.
I find that really disturbing.
Because I you know, and a bunch of other things that that are highly distressing that I can't prove, and so I'm sorry, not going to throw them out there, but I can.
I'll tell you this.
I've talked to a lot of people about this, not because I've never been interested in UFOs until like five years ago and I was like, wait, this is real, what is this? Why don't we talking about this. I'm just like coming at it from a totally idiotic, I don't know anything curious position, which is my normal posture on everything. And so I've talked to a lot of people, and my view is that they're you know, this is my opinion that there are things about this that are
really disturbing. And while I hate any kind of government secrecy, and if I could prove any of this, I would say it immediately, consequences be damned, I do sort of understand why they don't want to let this stuff out. It's not about, oh, we've got fragments of one of these crafts at a Lackey you know, facility in California, and we have biologics from the you know, everyone knows
that that's likely true. Well, it's certainly true that they have the you know, pieces of this stuff, but I think it's likely that it's it's it's darker that and that the US government is I said, the US government, people in the US government, not the US government.
But you know, there are.
Part it's a vast it's the largest human organization history. Parts of it, you know, have knowledge that is very, very disturbing. And I personally think strongly think that there's a spiritual component to this that I don't understand and will not pretend to understand. But I think it's very clear that there's a spiritual component to this.
That's one of the reasons the Vatican, and I'm again not Catholic, but.
Has been involved in this for over one hundred years, has an observatory et cetera, et cetera. I mean, it's pretty obvious that these are not men from Mars that I think that was a sigh oup because I think the truth is a little bit wilder and has deeper implications.
Just than that.
Given us even more to think about. Tucker, I want to thank you for your time, really appreciate it. I encourage everybody to go and sign up for your subscription program level link in our description. And as I said at the beginning, I appreciate you gave me my start in this business. I would not be sitting here without you, and I can't thank you enough.
You you you beat me.
I mean, it's like crazy what you've done, and I love it.
So I appreciate you. All right.
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