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Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday, Happy Friday Friday.
How you doing pretty good.
I've been debating whether to throw on the Santa hat or not.
I might do it later.
The topic is content is a little series at the top of the show, so I'm not sure I want to be Santa hat it out here to talk about this.
I hadn't bet that that would be jarring. Crystal, I think you made the right call.
That's that's always my hesitation. Like with the Halloween costumes and stuff too. It's like, you know, last year we did it, and I did ray Gun, which was fun and people really liked it. And I don't remember what we covered today but that day. But I don't think there's anything like too crazy serious. But yeah, it just feels very off if you're wearing some like goofy costume and then you're covering like, you know, a mass murder or whatever or Epstein, pedophiles, et cetera.
So in any case, Jeffrey Epstein feels wrong. It feels really wrong, doesn't feel right.
Yeah, So anyway, but we do have major updates in terms of what we now know. Apparently, according to the government, is the killer who shot the two students actually shot in a number more than that. The killed two students at Brown University and then traveled some fifty five miles and murdered a professor at his home at MIT. It was apparently the same guy he's now been found dead
killed himself inside of a storage unit. And let me go ahead and see if I can pull up this New York Times article that just gives us like a rundown of what happened here. Also, interestingly, just off the top, apparently the tip that really blew the case open came from Reddit, and it was like, a yeah, it was not only Reddit. I think it was someone who was homeless and sleeps in the basement of one of the Brown University buildings. Saw this guy acting bizarrely, had an
interaction with him in the bathroom. Was like, this guy's dressed weird, he's acting weird. He's acting weird around this car. Followed him a little bit and asked him like, dude, what are you up to? So anyway, that appears to be the tip that blew the thing open. So in any case, let me read from you for you a
little bit. Here they say a man's suspective carrying out a pair of deadly attacks, one at Brown University that killed two students and wounded nine more on another that killed an MIT professor's home found Deadness Steorage unit in New Hampshire on Thursday. The suspect's death, which the police said was from a self inflicted gunshot wound, ended a five day search that began on Brown's campus and Providence,
Rhode Island. Case book captivated and rattled New England as investigators pieced together grainy surveillance footage and feared another burst of violence. The search stretched across state lines, ultimately hinge on witness interviews and providence, including a Reddit user, along with records from a car rental agency in Boston and search warrant in Salem, New Hampshire. Nothing can really fully bring closure to the lives that have been shadow of
the past week. This may allow our community to move forward. So law enforcement officials identified the suspect as Claudio Manuel Nevez Valente, forty eight years old, a former Brown student who was recently enrolled at the university more than two decades ago. Last known address was in Miami. Investigators still not sure what the motive was behind the attacks. This talks more about the anonymous tip, and then this gives
us a little bit more on the suspect. So he had studied physics as a grad student Brown in the early two thousands. He's from Portugal. Became a permanent resident of the US in twenty seventeen through a diversity visa lottery. The Trump administration is now seized on that fact to say that they're shutting down the entire diversity visa lottery, which is, you know, something we could discuss more. They believe he studied at the same school as the professor
that he murdered, so in Lisbon. So they studied at the school at the same time in Lisbon, so the two might have known each other. Details of their relationship remain unclear and still completely unclear what the motive was for the you know, the mass shooting at Brown University.
So studied has been together. I believe it's studying in Lisbon together even before Brown. So, yes, that's right, Yeah, which is exactly extremely bizarre connection.
Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is is very strange, and you know, I guess you know, given that we the public rushes to view these things for through whatever like partisan or political lens. On the one side, you've got he's an immigrant. On the other side, he's a white guy, so from Portugal. The diversity lottery aspect of this, you know, I was reading more about it. There's there's
kind of an irony here. Actually put in place, the precursor program to it was specifically aimed at getting more Irish immigrants into the US because after the nineteen sixty five changes where there were no more like country quotas, there was a sense that European countries and Eastern European countries were being disadvantaged in terms of bringing in immigrants, and so it was actually some of the more kind of like white nativist types that introduced this program because
they wanted more white immigrants. And then over the years, as you had more of a diaspora from some of those European countries, you know, Irish in particular, then they sort of phased out of being really eligible for this program. They could use the family reunification and the chain migration
aspects inherent in our immigration policy. And so that vis a lottery still has a significant portion of Europeans who come in through it, but it has skewed more towards African countries, and it's it's meant to be for countries that don't historically have a lot of immigrants coming to the US.
Is basically the idea behind it.
Yeah, the other irony of the nineteen sixty five law is that it was really geared toward the ninety seat fire.
They had this nostalgia for you know, Ellis Island and all the Italians and Irish and Europeans who were coming in, and so in sixty five they're like, all right, let's let's open it back up and let more Europeans in because they're you know, those are our those are our white brothers over there, and they didn't want to come like things were good in Europe, and American policymakers were just kind of stunned.
Like what do you mean.
I thought we thought everybody wanted to come to the United States of America. It's like the greatest place on Earth. And instead, like you said, other countries filled the filled those quotas, leading to then some efforts to correct it. Be like, hold on, we got to get the hue a little bit lighter. Come on, what's going on here with this immigration policy?
Yes, so this one that was put in place originally to once again lightened the skin color of the people that came in over time now has shifted in its proportions as well.
I think another interesting aspect of the story is the frustration locally in Providence and on the Brown University campus. So I wanted to roll this clip of part of the press conference last night. There were two press conferences. There was one in Boston and then there was one in Providence. This is the Providence press conference, and you just hear the frustration bubbling up.
Than from NBC ten, I want to go back to the question I asked you Saturday night when I first arrived on the scene.
There were no cameras in this building, and law enforcements, some that are standing up behind you have said if Brown had cameras in that part of the building, we would have gotten this guy.
And I just want to pause there and mention that's not a small part of the story because allegedly the suspect is then killed again.
And it may have stopped swirling action.
Can you ask that question for me?
Well, I don't think we have said the locations of cameras at Brown.
We have because why would they car agency.
We have twelve hundred cameras at Brown, but not in that building. We have some in that building. It's a large complex, and I think what you would see is the video evidence in this case. From my perspective, I'm not a law enforcement agent, has been incredibly helpful. The moving of the person around the neighborhood. Those video images they helped craft this case. So I think video was important.
And as the Attorney General explained at a recent press conference, this individual was not spending his time on the Brown campus. He came into a building on the edge of the campus he left, he was in the neighborhoods. The investigation focused on the neighborhoods. The video was there and that was really really instrumental in crafting the case.
But you can ask them, yes, video played a big role in this case.
The neighbors video, the rental car video, but not the video in the building that he walked in freely, both before.
When he got in a confrontation and when he came back in decided to kill people. You didn't have cameras in that building. Just say it so you can give us over it. And my next question, yeah.
You know, I I think we need to look back. We'll look at everything that is done. But I do not think a lack of cameras in that building it had anything to do with what happened.
We can stop it there. But yeah, you can see. That's the president of Brown under intense scrutiny also for coming out after this originally happened and saying basically, we think everybody should feel safe. That has infuriated the community as well, because now we know again allegedly the suspect did kind of go along with the theory saga had floated about a potential unabomb or something in that ballpark targeting campuses, and obviously it seems to have happened again at MIT.
I mean that I understand the sentiment as being expressed there. I will also say that like that sentiment, I feel like, is how we've ended up with a mass surveillance state where there are cameras every day and we're all being tricked totally, like, you know, like, oh my god, we need even more camera like building that wasn't under surveillance twenty four to seven and facial recognition and listen, the public will agree with that person.
You know, there will be.
An instinct of like, yes we have to you know, and yes, install them metal detectors and we got to make sure, you know, you're scanning their retinas as they're coming in or whatever. And so that is how you end up with the situation we are in where basically you cannot really live your life without being under mass
surveillance from from the government. The other thing that I'll say is, you know, disconnector from that is I'm very curious to see where the conspiratorial minds go with this, because now you have very unclear motive.
What the hell was going on here.
This one guy that the professor that he murdered, was doing extraordinarily important breakthrough work with regard to nuclear fusion technology and so and now this guy's dead, so we'll never know, He'll never be able to tell us what he was thinking, or who he might have targeted next or whatever. So just brace yourself, for I'm sure there's going to be a lot of and look, I understand because I myself am like, what the hell's going on here?
Too?
And of course you should always be skeptical of government claims, etc. But I just I am sure that we're going to be in for a lot of a lot of speculation about what was really going on underneath the surface here and whether this is really the guy and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, and just a quick note, say, you cameras do not solve everything. Like almost every inch of New York's city is surveilled, and Luigi Mangioni was able to get to what Pennsylvania New York City has this partnership with Microsoft. There's like a lawsuit over it right now. Or they're doing like constant biometrics from cameras that are all over
the city. So it doesn't solve everything. I think it's interesting that I do think that this subplot is interesting on the campus where there's mismanagement, because I wonder then to what extent it's going to bleed over to Mit. Not that the MIT professor was not on campus, was at his own apartment in Brookline, but a seriously scary situation in New England for several days. And now that the man was found, the suspectors found dead, they're not
being clear about potential motives so far. There's plenty of time for that, obviously to come out, but it also leaves wide open the possibility that motivation remains a mystery. Hopefully that's not the case. Hopefully it's clear cut and we have information that comes up that makes it really
clear what was going on. But it is I mean, when we were talking earlier about these connections that go back literally to Lisbon in the late nineties and then Brown in the early two thousands, you have, in the case of the professor who was killed, a like leading nuclear scientist. You have the vice president of the College Republicans at Brown. It's all very it's I genuinely hope that there's clear cut motive information out there because it's it is like fodder for conspiracy theories.
As you said, personal, well and Ran did you see Israel jumped in to say, oh, we think iron did it?
Yes, they were They were yes, because yeah, a nuclear science is getting killed and they're like oh, and it's like no, you know what, like you're the only country actually that is just freely killing scientists and bragging about it like you're projecting onto others. That's this level of barbarity that that that did, certainly in this case, did
not exist. And when it comes to the uh, the celebration of mass surveillance, it's interesting to note that the three high profile shooters over the last year have been caught by people. Whether you know, Luigi was caught by a person at the McDonald's like, hey, it looks like Luigi. Tyler Robinson if you believe he's a shooter there was turned in by his family who were like, oh, that
looks like Tyler. And this guy caught by the Reddit user who who just saw him suspiciously walking through the Brown campus and followed him and then told police like so that's that's old school.
So, you know, social policing, the community.
Rising to the occasion and saying this is this is who it was, and then the police having that information and then tracking it down from there.
I mean it's kind of a mix, right though, because the reason that Luigi and Tyler in particular were caught is because we had those camera images, whereas with this one, it actually truly was just this like reddit guy, like, this guy's acting really weird without even seeing I think the photos are the or the videos.
But yeah, but I mean como yeah.
Well two.
And also that I think that's an important point because with Tyler Robinson and potentially in this case, you have to ask whether law enforcement, including the FBI, would have been able to nab the suspect had someone not stepped up and seen something or done something. I think that's particularly true in the Tyler Robinson case when you have his family doing the enormously difficult thing of turning him in.
Does is he in custody if that doesn't happen, or does law enforcement, you know, in a reasonable time frame track him down that It's it's sort of saves the uh, saves the bacon of law enforcement to an extent to.
Yeah, pulling back cash once again, wasn't wasn't looking great on this one.
And the other thing.
The last thing I want to say about this is you had people who were saying with confidence, like, oh, we think this particular guy and named this one kid around university student and you know, his name went everywhere, large accounts sharing this guy's name and his photo and digging into everything about him, and he had nothing to do with this. They were also saying, Lori Lumer and others were oh, they shouted Allahu akbar before they know, No,
actually they didn't. The killer did not do that. Apparently he was made some weird barking noises before he opened fire. People make shit up and they dos people and like ruin their lives based on, you know, a hunch, based on like, oh, their social media profile looks like this, and my political valance makes me think that it must be must be a Muslim person who's like that. And then they'll just casually ruin somebody's life. And we've seen
this happen multiple times. When they were still searching for Tyler Robinson, we didn't have a killer of Charlie Kirk doing the same ship with a bunch of different people.
I'm one of our own fans of our show wrote and said, please tell people.
To stop doing this. So please, I beg you not that anyone's going to listen. Stop doing this because you destroy people's lives and private people.
Like this will be the only thing, you know.
The biggest thing about them on the internet is that you know, people thought they they killed this high they were involved in this high profile murder. So I just I just find the whole the whole thing really disgusting, the baseless accusations and always again designed to fit some person into whatever political narrative they want to push with regard to the killing. All Right, so we've got today is Epstein Files Release Day.
Ryan's got a big.
Files release day to both of you.
Indeed, this is put on the Santa Hat soh Rocanna and Thomas Massey partners together and Marjorie Taylor Green had a bit of a bipartisan push and enough Republicans coming on to the discharge petition to force a vote on this. President Trump sort of back down, realizing he was in a corner with this signed this law that says, you know you have to now release these files or else there will you will actually be in violation of the law,
so the deadline is today. You also had a number of federal judges come in who were involved in the various like Glaine Maxwell and Epstein cases both in Florida, and then what was that in New York? Anyway, say, you know, we we agree that these materials, now that
the law has been passed, need to be released. So we know that material will be included, and every be in Congress conveniently decided they would leave town early, so they're not They're gonna be totally out of dodge and make sure they're nowhere near whenever what comes out comes out. So Ryan, what are you you know, what do you think we should expect? Since you are I mean you probably the foremost journalists on this at this point in the country.
Julie K.
Brown, a few other Jason Leopold maas, of course, what do you think we should be looking for in this release?
And that's kind of you.
I wouldn't put myself there that so many journalists have been doing so much work on this, including Whitney Web for you know, for so long.
You know, we've we've got we're relying.
On this the Troncias stuff that's out and you know, Uh, so I think that there could be interesting stuff out of the grand jury testimony like that, could you know there could be some serious breadcrumbs there if people are wondering about the timing, the Trump's capitulation was very cleverly timed, like he because there's a thirty day timing, and so either it was luck or he recognized like oh, or his team recognized like if we do it right now and signing in the law now, the thirty days will
land on the Friday before Christmas. So let's let's just let's just we're gonna lose this anyway, better to lose it now. Because so much of history, what we remember of history revolves around how big a deal a story was when it happened. And if a story just kind of gets muzzled when it happens like it, it's really difficult then to unearth it later as a major kind of quote unquote historical moment. It's like, why you know,
some scandals are iran contrance. Some scandals are just kind of nobody's ever heard of them.
I was thinking about the subs night too, because the shutdown is what prevented the bill from being the discharge petition from going through, and so it does. I mean, I don't know if it would be strategically, it would make sense that it was intentional, But also I wonder if it was just dumb luck because they came back from the shutdown and immediately the discharge petition which they were worried about, went through. They knew that was going
to happen. But if that's luck, that is some incredible luck. Because you're totally right, Ryan, it'll ination too.
But yeah, and yeah, maybe they'll wait till five.
Yeah.
I don't know if you can bury news though in the way that you used to be able to, because everybody's so it's not the same. The Friday news dump isn't what it used to be.
And if anything, now that you have Christmas is on a Thursday this year, a lot of people are going to have a slow couple of weeks. Now you have like online sleuths who are going to make sure the story has legs because people have a little bit of extra time on their hands over the next couple of weeks.
True.
Yeah, and Democrats yesterday put out some new photos that you know, Dy'd obtained. They got more with Chomsky, just very depressing stuff. Showing how much he was pealing around with him and Ahood, Barack even and Bannon.
Also some weird ass like Lolita quotes on people's feet and body parts.
Do you guys see that? Yeah, so I can pull these up. Creepy, Yeah, very creepy.
And you've also had The New York Times now deciding to get in the game with a couple of significant pieces, but one in particular. Yeah, there's the Lolita Lolita quotes on various body parts.
So that's just really normal stuff.
But the New York Times dug into his financing, and I know, Ryan you had some thoughts about that, but they also dug into specifically the relationship with Trump. And maybe I can pull up some of the quotes here. I know Jasper Nathaniel had pulled some of the key quotes from this. But you know, I mean, this won't be a surprise to any of us, because we know that Trump and Epstein have this very you know, significant relationship. But there were some details here that were for sure new.
So one of the things is a an Epstein employee from the era, recalled mister Trump, would occasionally send over modeling cards for mister Epstein to peruse like a menu. And the Trump modeling agency has long been one of the like major red flags because these modeling agencies, including you know, I mean Epstein got close to Lex Wexner and he has Victoria's secret and that's the whole thing. But you know, Trump was very close to John Casablancas and sort of looked up to him as a role model.
His modeling agency was maybe the most infamous and notorious for exploiting young girls, and he himself for exploiting young girls. And so the you know, the modeling agencies have been used as a front for effectively human trafficking, and that's a documented phenomenon.
So that's obviously disturbing piece of information.
There, You've got this gross detail where Trump would love to, you know, they'd love to like publicly brag about their exploits, put themselves on speaker phones, so whoever was in the room had to uncomfortably listen to whatever their like sexual exploits. Apparently they called each other all the time to share
this sort of information. This One woman says she remembers one call in the mid nineties in which the two men discussed how much pubacare a particular woman had and whether there was enough for mister Epstein to fluss his teeth with. On another of these calls, mister Trump told mister Epstein about having sex with another woman on a pool table. This one is very disturbing. One of the fourteen year old models who was brought to mar A Lagos one of these parties event type things, says she
ran into Trump's then wife, Marla Mables. According to her, she says, during a trip to the bathroom, they ran into mister Trump's new wife and they had met earlier. Miss Maples classed her hands. Miss Coleman recalled, looks you're in the eye. So this is the mother of the fourteen year old model and says, whatever you do, do not let her around any of these men, and especially my husband.
Protect her.
Now, Marla Maples denies that that that she said that and that that quote occurred. But in any case, some new new details there about the depth and nature of the Trump Epstein relationship, and I think gives some insight into why Trump was very, very not excited about any of this information coming to light.
And remember Trump, miss teen USA. In order he's this is from his own testimony, in order for him to be able to creep into the locker room and look at the nude teens, like young teens like that.
He said this on he said this publicly publicly.
Yeah, so there's no question that aside from the gross stuff he said like about his own daughter likes he's a gross.
Put into this modeling industry by the way, which if you know, you know know what he knew is a real interesting choice.
Yeah.
And and there's that quote he gave to I guess was Vanity Fair or somebody where he said, yeah, Jeffrey Epstein likes him young, So like, yeah, all of this is but yeah, probably not surprising to people that he's as much of a creep.
I think it's surprising to some people in a sense with the young girls apparently. And I mean, you know, I mean this was always the glaring, like glaring blind spot for MAGA when they were very focused on Epstein and revealing you know, the connections with the elite circles, and it's like, you guys do know that this man was like Besti's with Donald Trump for a decade.
You don't think there's going to be anything there. You don't think there's going to be anything there.
So in any case, of course, you know what true what Trump would say, Oh go ahead, m.
Well, I was just to say it goes back to the origins of MAGA, which is that Donald Trump was standing up on the stage and saying, I alone can fix it, for example, because I know the system. Uh, the same thing with the Clintons.
Like fourteen USA, I can fix the problem.
It was his whole but that but that goes into this just a runner point is that he pitched himself to MAGA as somebody who was and created MAGA as somebody who was the billionaire against the other billionaires. He was part of the billionaire system, but he was going to uh sort of disrupt it from the inside. And
it is it is you know important. Then every time he does anything but disrupt the billionaire system from the inside, anytime he protects the billionaire system, anytime he's sort of revealed to be part of that system, I think it does you guys talked about earlier this week, Eve and Soger did a segment on Harry Enton looking at this
pole result showing twenty twenty four Trump supporters. Strong support from Trump is down from sixty six percent to fifty percent, not super surprising, but at the same time it does I think lead you know, Erica Kirk and endorse JD. Vance yesterday at Turning Points big conference. That genuinely is surprising, not that she would endorse him, but that she would
endorse him this early. And so there's it's setting a tone for what the Republican Party with the kind of populist wing of the Republican Party MAGA, is supposed to do going forward. If you're JD Vance, you should be looking at those numbers sixty six percent to fifty percent and thinking very hard about them because of things like this.
And now if you want not that JD.
Like obviously JD is connected to Teal and all of those people. So I'm just saying, like, the politics of it, I think are kind of interesting.
Now when it comes to Emily and I talked about this a little bit on the show Wednesday when we talked about the New York Times story, and I promised or I pledged that we would try to have our story out by Friday, and we did get it out.
The timing of the New York Times piece was helpful to us, I think, because we had been reporting around a lot of the same kind of period of time that they said that they uncovered the and put to bed the questions about like where he made his money and whether or not he had intelligence connections, not making any sense throughout the entire piece. Let me put this up,
I would highly recommend reading this piece. It's it's also just fascinating as just a piece of kind of alternative like espionage history, because it's fair to think of Epstein almost as like the Forest Gump of the spy world, like when it comes to Iran Contra. He's just everywhere.
And I highlighted this one paragraph from the New York Times piece here where they write Jeffrey Epstein had been spending extravagantly, and despite his lofty compensation at bear Stearns and his work for Douglas Lease, he found himself strapped, even occasionally bouncing rent checks. Back in New York, he joined forces with John Stanley Pottinger, a lawyer who had
recently left a senior post in the Justice Department. Epstein, Pottinger, and Pottinger's brother rented a penthouse office in the Hotel San Mauritz on Central Park South. The broker Joanna Cutler told us that Epstein initially stiffed her on the commission.
And so this is an example of some of the really impressive kind of shoe leather reporting that The Times did for this piece to track down all these details, Like they got Johanna Cutler on the phone and and got her to tell them, you know, that he's stiffed her on the commission and confirmed this this Uh, this arrangement in the penthouse. But as we argue and the piece, if they had looked in the other direction, looked upwards, they would have in this In this paragraph itself found
two details worth exploring. One that Douglas Lease is himself an arms trafficker, and we talk about his his connection to the Iran Contra scandal, which was it's called Iran Contra, but right in the middle of it is Israel because the United States was barred from shipping weapons to Iran. And so the arrangement that we created was that Israel would send weapons to Iran, which is comical if you think about it, since they're but so Israel would ship
weapons to Iran. Uh Iran would then pay, would would put money to the slush fund that Simon Perez uh Barack and on Koshogi were organizing and then.
By the way, Trump by yacht, yes, this is Koshogi's uh, this is Jamal Kashogi's uncle in fact.
And then the US would then backfill the weapons to Israel, so so we weren't giving weapons to Ron, We're giving them to Israel.
We would then use and then.
HESBLA then would release some hostages, American hostages that were being held, and we would use the money to illegally finance the conscious because Congress had said you can't finance this this this uh, you know, this insurgency against the Nicaragua leftist government, and so the Reagan administration used the
proceeds to put them there. Now, Stanley Pottinger was a lawyer who was like heavily involved in the Iran Contra scandal, helping to set up the flows of money, and so they have so The Times found Epstein literally in business with an Iran contra lawyer at the time that the thing is unfolding, and Douglas Lease, who was also involved with it, and he was and he was associates with Koshogi.
But go ahead, well, I was.
Just gonna say so Trump's NSA starting in twenty nineteen was Matthew Pottinger, who is the son of John Stanley Pottinger, which is when Roe Connor now describes the Epstein class. Here's an example of the Epstein class. Doesn't mean anyone's necessarily implicated in this massive blackmail, right, It just means that it's all being pulled from the same small pool of people who are part of this like tightly knit network.
But Pottinger, in his defense, actually he died recently, but he represented a bunch of Epstein victims.
I think he whatever his tea.
Although some people may be very suspicious of that because it could look like controlled opposition.
Might be He's an interesting guy. He was almost ousted from the Nixon administration as part of the Saturday Night massacre, and he was like packing up his stuff, and then at the last minute the massacre was kind of stopped, so he kept his job. He also in this New York Times oh Bit, it says that he figured out who Deep Throat was as part of this grand jury process.
He kept that secret.
He then he then made a fortune in real estate in the eighties, and real estate. I'm not saying that he used around contra funds, but real estate was a major way that Iran Contra funds were laundered. Then he became a novelist, best selling novelist, and he's according to his time Spy thrill it hasn't been published yet. And then he and then he represented the Epstein victim. So like, what a an arc. Yeah, that that guy's life took.
But then so you have all of this, the Epstein, Epstein being close with all of these different Iran Contra figures. After the lid gets blown on Iran Contra, the CIA's airlines, Southern air Transport, that was involved in this weapons shipments and drug running.
Has to lay low for a while. And what we report here.
Whitney Webb has written about this as well, but we have some new details from a journalist in Ohio who covered this at the time. Jeffrey Epstein brought Southern air Transport, the CIA's front company airline, to Columbus, Ohio. They ship moved the headquarters from Miami to Columbus, Ohio to start trafficking lingerie and fast fashion.
For less wet trafficking.
So and as one friend responded last night, it's like, well, this is something decent that Epstein did for the world. So instead of trafficking drugs and like guns for the CIA, these planes for a couple of years were moving you know, you.
Know, crappyumbshell, push up brass.
Right Victoria's secret.
So it's like, okay, maybe there's no Intel connections here at all, but how on earth did this guy end up bringing the CIA's airplanes to les Wexner, Like, Times is going to have to do a little bit better than just hand waving it away with With these kinds of details out there, it's kind of kind of like kind of suspicious activity to be involved in.
It was very interesting to me how much The New York Times wanted to say, like, oh, case closed, solve this, figured it out, No Intel, cut ties, no blackmail, no nothing, nothing to see here, and then did a bunch of reporting that does not at all rule out those possibilities, and in fact, it raises even more questions about them, as your reporting points out.
And we also make the point in the preamble of the piece that in order to acquit him of all of these like links to Intel and to say that there was nothing interesting going on here, what they had to do was craft this anti semitic.
Caricature of the guy.
Hm hmmm, just like in a genuinely offensive way, because all they're left with is like, oh, he's just a giant con artist. And you go through it and you're like, this is actually like what are you doing here? But it's almost like what's the Barry gold It's like a version of the back Barry Goldwater quote you would say, anti Semitism in defense of the liberty of Israel is no viruce.
A lot of people apparently view it that way.
Yeah, yeah, just check that piece out.
Yeah, read the piece, because it just completely if this is all just a coincidence, it's the greatest coincidence of all time.
Yeah.
Well, and to I don't know, also to make the claims that the Times did of like oh there's no Intel connection, and to not even you know, not even reference the reporting that you and others have done, I think is also just very you know, very lazy, also very condescending, you know, like you don't even exist.
Right.
We even got a we have a Times quote for the piece because I put all this to them. They said, quote, we report on facts that we are able to confirm, not supposition.
Well, what a bunch of these these are facts.
Like these are these are facts. You're welcome to report on them.
If you can't, I don't know what to tell you.
All right, guys, super excited to have this morning with us Corey Archibald and Casey Kennedy, who are the co founders of track Apak who recently went public stop being anonymous on our show, which we.
Were very privileged to have you guys there. Great to see you both, Thank good morning.
Thanks for having us.
Yeah, So I wanted to talk to you guys again because I feel like the question of a PAC funding and overall position on Israel it's just become such a central issue, in particular in Democratic primaries, although showing up in some Republican primaries as well. So I wanted to touch base with you guys about some of the races that you see as being really significant, just in terms of that funding question being a dividing line. But before I jumped into that, I wanted to just ask you, so,
how how have things been going? How is it now, you know, coming out and being public faces. I know you guys have gotten a lot of scrutiny online. Casey, I know you have been punished in terms of your career. You lost your job for the work that you're doing, so Casey, maybe start with you on how things are going.
Yeah, it's definitely been a tumultuous month, to say the least. Shortly after we did our initial interview with you, folks, I did lose my job. That followed a dosing and harassment campaign from accounts like stop Anti Semitism and that whole network of Wow Israel troll accounts. Basically, they my employer just didn't want to deal with that, so I'm
no longer with them. But on the bright side, the silver lining is that's really just unleashed me and given me all the time in the world to focus now on this. What's up until now been a volunteer time passion project for me. Now I can really focus on it full time and work on a lot of things that I've been pushing to the back burner, and I'm excited for the opportunity to work on it even more.
Did you expect when you came forward, did you expect it would be a problem for your employer or did that kind of come out of the blue for you.
I was definitely unsure I was operating the account anonymously for that exact reason. I just didn't want to risk it. Obviously, wasn't informing them of like what I was doing during my free time, and I thought that I might be able to explain where I was coming from and maybe, you know, work out a way to keep my job.
But it all just ups pretty quickly.
And it's crazy to me.
I mean, all you do is put for publicly available information, compile publicly available information.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's pretty awful that people can just make smears and just really baseless claims and have that up in somebody's livelihood.
So I know I'm not the only one.
I'll be okay. I have other means to make my living. A lot of other people don't. And I think that's a really important point that we have to keep pushing in this narrative. You're seeing a lot of shift right now happening and happening in the political spectrum. But it's not only in the political spectrum that we need to have this attention focused. It's regular people who are speaking up who are also being executed and targeted.
Yeah, Corey, how about you?
Oh got it?
No, As Casey said, it has definitely been a very tumultuous month. I have not had the same kind of impact in scrutiny that he has, although I've certainly had people picking through my very online life that I have lived for decades, and you know, congratulations, you uncovered things that I post about constantly. Well done you, I guess, But I guess people are supposed to. They want me to be ashamed of who I am, and I'm not.
I'm proud of the work that I've done and what we've been able to achieve through this project, And if anything, those kinds of attacks and scrutinies just make us more determined to keep doing what we're doing.
All right, So let's turn to the topic at hand. There's a ton of races that we could have picked to focus on. But Corey, why don't you go ahead and give us a little bit of a rundown of a few of the democratic primaries that you're really watching where the question of APAC funding has taken a sort of central spotlight.
Yeah, of course, Well, we are, as many people are.
We are closely following and engaging with both races for Corey Bush and her rematch against Wesley Bell, and Abdillel said both of those races are important to us not only because of who the candidates are, especially because of who the candidates are and because of what they represent and they are objectively the best choice in in those primaries, but also I got a little personal connection to both races in the sense that I worked very closely with
Corey Bush in her first two months for Congress, and I took it very personally, the way that she was attacked and smeared by a PAK. It was part of the reason for the the inspiration for founding this pack and for joining up with Casey and working on this project. And then of course abdlals he's running against Hailey Stevens, who is another another villain. APAG dumped truckloads of cash into the race against Andy Levin to get her into office.
And so that's another one that I take up a personally, and so for that reason, you know, those are those are two races that are I think have the opportunity once those two are are in, once Corey is restored to Congress and once Abdullah's in the Senate, I think they will have a significant impact on the direction of democratic policy.
And so those are very important races to us.
But you know, they're also a number of other races that we have we've supported.
And sorry, just really quickly on Abdullah SiO, because there's another significant contender in that race, Mallory McMorrow, and actually haven't followed closely.
What is she?
What is she said or has she said anything with regard to to APAC funding. What's your sense there?
In casey, I'll let you take the stress.
So Malarie McMorrow has been an interesting kind of case study for how the needle has been moving on this topic within the Democratic Party.
I'll pull up my story while you're talking.
Yeah, exactly, that you had a great piece on that. She actually some supporters had kind of leaked to the press that they had read a position paper that she had submitted to a pro Israel organization, which we're pretty sure based on reporting it all.
Now, just leak it to the press and they gave it to Graham dug it up. Is that how it originally came to Okay, okay, Ryan at.
The Press Michigan Sites and Ryan Graham broke that Malary McMorrow had submitted a position paper to a pro Israel group, which was an APAC confirmed at that time, right out the.
Gate, it wasn't a so her her supporter said it was a pack. I suspect that it was actually d m f I Democratic Majority for Israel, and that the supporter was using a pack as a shorthand because DMFI is a shorthand, which is what we do.
I mean, we we use a pack as kind of a shorthand to refer to the whole lobby.
But anyway, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Yeah, yeah, so they saw an a position paper, but I think it was d m FI.
Yeah, okay, fair enough. Apac ally d m f I.
She had submitted a position paper, and obviously that what that position paper hasn't been made public, but we can infer what was included in there based on the comments.
Of those supporters outstanding.
Yeah, yeah, they really gave her a lot of praise for her strong pro Israel position. And we also found out that she had taken a trip to Israel, which we believe was with the American Israel Education Foundation is APAX nonprofit arm.
So that's definitely concerning.
She has.
Said that she agrees it could meet the definition of genocide, but it's not the forthright conviction that we're looking for in a candidate in this moment who we're really looking down the moral clarity to take a bold stand and not be kind of hedging their bets of where special interests might come after them for speaking the truth.
Yeah, that kind of feels like her vibe on a range of issues on healthcare as well, she's tried to kind of you know, yeah signal, Yeah, I love that universal well here, but here's why we can't do it.
Yeah, it feels like she's kind of threading a needle. You can see she's sort of pinned between the progressive lane that abdulah al Sayed is filling and the establishment lane that Hailey Stevens is filling with the backing of APAX. So that's another one where the split is going to be interesting to see.
I'm not sure right now how that's going.
To play out.
The polls have them pretty evenly matched.
All three of them. Yeah, pretty close.
Yeah, Yeah, there would be some interesting plays for sure in that race.
Ryan, maybe you should set up for us the Nita Alam race because I know that's a versus Valerie Fushi, which is another one that I know you've done a lot of reporting on, and then we can get Corey and Casey to weigh in on that one as well.
Yeah, this race, this is a rematch of a race from twenty twenty two. When Nita Alam announced her candidacy. She was a county commissioner from Durham and she was close if you remember, she was close friends with a group of Muslim men who were a victim of a hate crime. If it was this like horrific like national story where several men were killed in Durham, and it became like huge news, definitely in North Carolina, but even around the country and around the world, and that inspired
her to get into to local office. So she ran became accounting mission, then she ran for the House seat, and then Value Fouchet came in with enormous amounts of backing, not just from APAC but also from Crypto, and she ended up only Nita Alam ended up only losing by four points or something you guys might remember betterly four thousand votes or very very very close race, even though
she was outspent absolutely massively. Now North Carolina has redrawn the district and it's actually more favorable now to an alum. If she would if this would have been the old district, she actually probably would have won even given the massive amount of crypto and APAC money being spent. As we covered on breaking Points, Fouchet throughout the last couple of
years or has kind of turned against Israel. She's made some critical comments and an interesting way and in the back of her mind, and I was assumed, but definitely in the back of my mind as she was doing I was like, oh, I bet she assumes that it is going to launch another challenge to her and sees this as a massive political vulnerability because there's just so much money on the table and either you guys can respond, but while you do, I'll just put up this DMFI
put out yesterday. It's list of dozens of endorsements of Democrats across the country, and Fouchet was not on there, which is which is quite interesting because it either means they're so frustrated that she distanced herself from them, you know, anticipating this challenge, or they recognize that even rebranded as DMFI, this pro Israel money is just too damaging in a democratic primary to be public about.
Yeah, I mean, I think Valor fusci Is is someone who I have no idea.
I actually learned this recently.
I think it is Fushi. I used to say fouche also, but I if.
Well one of us is correct.
When Crystal said fush, I was like, that might actually be right.
I just have only ever read it.
So I'm.
Yeah, I was actually corrected on it by someone from North Carolina recently, so I'll take that as as gospel. But I you know this is this isn't another interesting case because you know, what we see happening with her, I think is is representative of the work that we're trying to achieve here. We want politicians to change their positions.
We want them to recognize that they are are creating a political liability for themselves by by working with a PACK and d M F I and so I. In one sense, it's hard to know because I'm not inside somebody's head, so I don't know exactly how genuine her her shift is. But I would say that, paired with her somewhat critical comments of the genocide in Gaza, I think it does seem to be something of a genuine
change in her position. And to that, I'll say I've spent a lot of twenty twenty five feeling, on one hand, very like immensely relieved to see such a shift in a lot of politicians and public figures and how they view what's happening in Gaza and our role and our complicity in it. But on the other hand, it's so frustrating because a lot of people had to die for you to learn that lesson, and it just feels like she's a little late to the game. Like, I welcome
the change. I hope it's genuine. I feel that it's genuine. You know, time will tell, but you know, if I have to choose between someone who was late to the game in that way on such a life or death matter, I'll take the person who was on the right side the whole time.
And what are some of the other There were a couple of other races that you guys had sent me that were ones that I was less familiar with. One is the congressional race that now Colin Alred has jumped into in Texas after he withdrew from the Senate race. Talk about a few of the races that are a little bit more under the radar for people.
Yeah, So now down in Texas, in the newly redistricted thirty third district, there's a candidate that were supporting named Zishan Hafeez. He is going to be running against in the primary Colin Alred, who just dropped out of the Texas Senate race to go run for a seat in Congress in the House, and also Representative Julie Johnson, who's currently representing the thirty second district, is going to be campaigning in the thirty third district for twenty twenty six.
Julie Johnson is an active APAC backed Rep. She's only taken in a little over forty thousand dollars from the Israel lobby, but she votes in lockstep with them. Colin Alred has accepted over six hundred and forty six thousand dollars from pro Israel groups including APAC and DMFI in the past, although it seems he did stop taking APAC and DMFI money after the twenty twenty two cycle, but again looking at his voting record, he was a pretty reliable pro Israel vote in the House. So in this race,
we are supporting Zishan Hafiz. He's committed to rejecting APAK and the Israel Lobby outright, and he's calling for overturning Citizens United to get big money out of our politics. He's never taken any corporate money. This is something that he's made really foundational to in a central plank of
his campaign. And these are the kind of candidates that we're looking to get involved with who really have the backbone to stand up call of genocide to genocide and do what they can in their capacity as a federal representative to stop our complicity in this genocide.
Yeah, that sounds like one where there's a very very clear divide there.
And if I could just jump in really quickly on both of these two races that we just talked about, you know, the North Carolina four race and the Texas thirty three races are two primaries are coming up very soon. March third is the primary for both both of these races. We are less than ninety days away, and we're also hit sound like fundraiser, but I am one. We are
coming up on the end of quarter. So you know, if you're if you're sitting at home and you're looking for Canadas to support, like, this is the moment to pay attention. This is the moment to think about these races because these are this is the point at which we decide what the future of the Democratic Party is going to look like no matter what Ken Martin decides to bury and.
Corey tell me a little bit, or Casey whoever's you know, wants to jump on it about California seven and may Vang go for that one?
Casey, Yeah, So my Vang is challenging APAC backed Rep. Doris Matsui. Doris Matsui is eighty one years old and she's running for real election. She actually filled the seat of her late husband, Bob Matsui, who died in Congress back in two thousand and five. Doris Matsui is another reliable pro is reel vote. She consistently ranks among the most pro is Real votes in the Democratic Caucus and she sends married a billionaire. So she is just really out of touch with what we need in these times.
She's not bringing the fight to all the corruption and the madness that we see going on in Washington, and my Vang.
Has stepped up.
She's a I believe she's a city council member currently, and she is outright rejecting APEC in the Israel lobby corporate money, and she calls a genocide a genocide. She's really bringing the pressure to Doris Matsui, who has previously not spent a lot of time in the district. You'll see her making her campaign stops now. You can tell she's feeling the pressure. And this kind of young, exciting candidate is another one that we're thrilled to see stepping up into the ring.
And then the last one you guys had sent me and then we had some sort of broader, more general questions. But was Cameron CAASKI who, Yeah, Kyle and actually just interviewed him last week. He's running in the seat in New York that's opened up by Jerry Nadler's retirement. Very crowded primary. A bunch of people jumped into that one. What makes Cameron stand out to you, guys?
Yeah, so Cameron is I mean, for one, I've followed his activism since the days of Parkland, and I've just been so impressed with him as an activist and the way that he consistently speaks so clearly on issues. He's not afraid to take a stand, and he has certainly demonstrated that in the short time that he's been running
this campaign. There's no other candidate in this race currently that as you said, it's a very crowded primary, and yet not a single one of them in a district that heavily favored Zoran in the recent mayor election, not a single one of them has come out very clearly and made a stand about Israel committing a genocide, calling for an arms embargo, or rejecting support from APAC and the Israel lobby just generally. So he is the most clear on this issue.
And he I think he.
Just represents such an important voice that I think would would be a real game changer in Congress.
Yeah, and for people who don't know he was there, he survived the Parkland shooting. You know, he's seventeen years old. He became an activist. He talks about, you know, starting that organization sitting in his bedroom, and also has really been through the ring. Are you know, the Alex Jones and these people saying he's a crisis actor and all that. You know, I don't know if it was Alex Jones specific, I shouldn't say that, but there were right wing activists
saying that he was a crisis actor. And so he has really been through the fire in terms of political activism, and you know, I was really impressed with him when I spoke with him last week as well.
How much do you so?
One of the questions I had for you guys that I think we touched on before and you've kind of touched on here as well, is politicians are starting to get the memo of like, oh, I should say I'm not I'm not going to take ape. You saw Gavin Newsom, after initially just being like that's interesting, that's an interesting question saying no, I'm not going to take any APAC money. Although Ryan feels like he left himself a little wiggle room there, but in any case, he clearly wanted to give.
The impression exactly that was his answer.
Milton came out, oh no, even after he had asked a pack to support him.
He's like, oh, I don't want anything to do with these people.
So what are the follow up questions that people should be asking as it increasingly becomes clear that this is a politically toxic position. But you know you're going to have politicians who want to have their cake and eat it too, want a signal to the base like oh, yeah, totally, I'm with you guys. I'm against I'm not going to say it's a genocide. But I'm against bad things, but at the same time, they still want to be able to get that money and that support from the Israel lobby.
So what are the follow up questions that people should be asking?
And can I just tack on to that quickly to ask are there new other than like Newsome doing? I don't know if anyone could pull off what Newsom did quite like Newsom did, But are there new lines that we're seeing be rolled out kind of to either mask or hedge. Is there anything you people should be paying attention to specifically? Yeah?
Great question, Yeah, I think Okay, So do you want to go first.
Or I can you just I'll jump on Emily's point real real quick there, just while I have it in my mind, I would say standing against sending offensive weapons to Israel is a big one for us. We're that's that is what we see as hedging. A weapon is a weapon, a bomb is a bomb. The more bombs that you send to Israel, the more for self defense,
the more bombs they have to use for offense. So that's definitely a line that we see as kind of a red flag when we're assessing candidates, and we will probe to find out more Corey, did you want to jump on that.
Up, Yeah, I think just to add on to that point.
I mean, it's like Rashida Siliev has talked about this, you know, she has said the words a weapon is a weapon, and others have made the point that even if we even if we take at face value, even if we just accepts as truth, what is stated that the weapons that we provide for what are supposed to
be defensive purposes are only used in that capacity. Well, certainly it frees up military resources for them to be able to focus on not only committing genocide and Gaza, but also attacking you know, their neighbors and and creating
you know, hostilities in all parts of the region. So I think the only thing that sends a message because so much of our of so much of the support that goes into the the Israeli military comes from US, US aid, the only way to send a message that we are no longer on board with with what you're doing is to say you're cut off, and and that's
that's the line that needs to be drawn. So we're not going to hedge and split hairs on what's an offensive and what's a defensive weapon, either when there is there There are very clear US laws that state that if that if someone is receiving US military aid and they are committing war crimes, which Israel very clearly has in multiple ways, then we are supposed to cut off the supply of aid.
That that is.
That's that's our own laws that we're violating when we, you know, try to split hairs and say what's defensive and what's offensive.
How do you guys count the money that shows up when it says like forty thousand dollars from pro Israel groups?
Like, is that a pack? So it's going to be CANVM fire?
Is it also people who have previously given to a pack Like what's the So.
Up until now it has been money from pro Israel, any pro Israel pack. So there's like a whole slate beyond a pack and d M five of these smaller groups that within the Israel lobby ecosystem. We've got a full spreadsheet of them on our website. But basically we take those pack IDs and then just we run an fecort, So we pull it from the Federal Election Commission and it just aggregates the data of how much has gone
through the pack to the candidate. That can also include like conduit contributions, so like a PAC will bundle all the donor money through their website or through their portal and them to the candidate. So that's where those numbers. We also track the independent expenditures, So if a pack or any of their allies are spending independently to run ads or any other campaign activity on behalf of the candidate or to attack their opponent, will also add that into the candidate's lobby total.
Yeah, that has a lot to do with why Wesley Bells and George Latimer's totals are so high because a lot of them was the independent expenditure.
Oh my gosh, they hope we are money come in for them. But we are expanding on that.
So as I think we mentioned the last time we saw you guys that you know, a pack is starting to change tactics.
They've always kind of done this.
They've always created these these like seek donation portals where where you know, donors can just go straight they get a you know, a link straight to a person's donation page where they can donate without having to like have the label a pack attached to it. But we see, you know there's been reporting recently about how they are increasing use of that tactic, and we expect that they will.
And so one of the things that we're doing with as we ramp up and we're we're working to expand our teams, we're going to be expanding our data capabilities so that we can more carefully track these large donors that are you know, very closely affiliated with a pack.
They're consistent APACK donors, and they're also funneling like you'll see like big money drops that happen, you know, in a coordinated fashion, and so we want to be able to track and report on that more accurately so that we can reflect the genuine total that's coming into these these reports.
Yeah, you would think it would be something that that ll MS could even help with, you know. In other words, if you've got let's say you've got a donor who has given you know, more than five thousand dollars over the last several cycles to a to a pack or to d MFI, so you know that that's like, that's like an APAC donor, and then you see them maxing out to a candidate, and then on that same day you see ten other people max out to that candidate
like right, you couldn't. You couldn't say that's one hundred percent a PAC money, but you could be like this is yeah, exactly, It's very likely this was this was coordinated. This was either a fundraiser or an email that went out to this group.
Yeah, yes, there's the hallmarks.
Of yes, yes, there's the hallmarks of real information.
This is actually a good segue to ask you, guys, how can people support your work because you are continuing to expand and as you said, this is this is really you know, crunch time in terms of these democratic primaries, but also, as I said, it's a relevant issue in increasing on the Republican side as well.
Yeah.
So, for example, if you are interested in supporting any of the races that we just talked about and supporting our work in amplifying those races, a great place to go is to TRACKAPAC dot com slash endorsements. That will take you to page that has all of our endorsed candidates on it that you that we just discussed, and each one of them links to a tandem donate page where you can split a contribution between between our organization
and that campaign directly. Those tandem forms really are something like they can.
Raise a lot.
I think we raised what was it over twenty thousand dollars for aften Bay on our Herd tandem form just in the last few weeks lead up to that special election. So you know this, this is a really powerful tool to amplify the grassroots effect. And it not only puts money directly into those campaigns that could really use those boosts, but it also amplifies what we're able to do in support of them on the IE side.
Man, as you guys, as you guys grow, there's going to be more scrutiny on you. And because you guys are talking specifically about you know, campaign finance and and spending, it's it's going to be increasingly important probably to be way way more transparent than a normal organization is with
the spending. So would you guys commit to some sort of independent audit or something that that tracks track, track apac so that people who are like giving money like, because you're going to have people in this world who are like, no, no, these are just grifters who are like cashing in because FEC reports are very confusing and you see money moving in and moving out and it's very easy for people to just screenshot and be like, hmm, what's going on here, and then it discredits everything that's
going on. So have you thought about how you're going to use some level of transparency to counteract what is like, like I can guarantee that's coming if it hasn't.
All, we're already seeing some of that.
I mean, there's there's been some critics from the left that just say, oh, you're just drifting. I mean, as you said, the FEC reports are are out there, it's publicly available data. It can be hard to parse. Absolutely, We've always been very conservative in our spending, so like we've been building up our war chest to be able
to put as much as we can. In fact, until very very recently, Casey and I weren't even taking a salary from the pack, so you know, we've been very conservative in that way that we just really wanted to build.
Up our resources. I mean, in terms of transparencies.
People can always ask us any question that they have about the FEC report. That's you know, I don't think that we've had a discussion about any specific transparency project internally.
All right, something to think about, sure, of.
Course, all Right, guys, Well, thank you so much for taking the time. I know it is hectic and crazy and you have a lot going on, so really appreciate your work and really appreciate your.
Time with us this morning.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, it's our pleasure.
Happy holidays you guys.
Doo. That was great, thank you, thank you.
Yeah.
All right, guys, well let's go ahead and wrap up the free show here, got a bunch of interesting stuff we're going to get you in the premium half, in particular this TPUSA conference, Ben Shapiro coming it, Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlston and Tucker responds, and Tucker's calling out the islamophobe. So that's a spicy one. And Emily, you mentioned Erica Kirk endorsed jd Vance at this that part I missed actually last night.
Yeah, it was late last night.
So she's not on board for Trump twenty twenty eight, not.
On board like Dershowitz.
But also I was going to say, Mary Maddilson again to the anti Semitic caricature, you guys are doing yourselves no favors.
And then so yeah, so the Erica Kirk endorsement wasn't just hurt was she said, turning point USA is going to work on behalf of JD. So already a lot of infrastructure behind him.
Rubio Marco artist it.
When Rubio obviously was quoted in the Vantasy Fair piece this week saying he's not run if JD runs. So Erica Kirk in that endorsement said that she said, we'll support my husband's friend JD vance and so it's it's quite an interesting, quite an interesting development.
Yeah, especially after that that photo that people paid a lot of attention to with the hands and the hair and the hands on the hips and whatever, also makes it makes it noteworthy. But there's a lot of yeah, I mean put it, I don't know, whatever. We don't have to get into Erica Kirk discourse, not in the free half anyway. If you want more Erica Kirk discourse, you gotta pay for it.
People.
We also have The Baker wrote an interesting up ed about you know, what really makes you an American? Really pushing back against like the anti Indian hate in particular, but also the sort of like you know, Nick fuontezification
of the Republican Party. Curious about you guys thoughts on that there was a big Compact magazine piece about the quote unquote lost generation of millennial men focusing on the media in industry during the woke era that I would think Ryan would have some particular insights into so bunch of stif.
So there's politics behind it too.
Ah, yes, for sure, so bunch of stuff to get to in the premium portion. If you guys want to join us over there, join us at Breakingpoints dot Com, become a premius subscriber. We will probably end up doing a breaking news segment tomorrow about whatever comes out from the Epstein Files. We have some great content that all of us put together, you know, over the past week
or two, to be posting over the holiday break. We'll also, you know, if there's big breaking news, well one of the other of us will get it together and get to a camera and break down what's going on to the best of our ability. But outside of that, guys, Happy holidays to all of you. I hope everybody has a RESTful and nice time with family with loved ones and appreciates the you know, the beauties of the season.
And certainly I appreciate Ryan and Emily appreciate you guys, appreciate what we're able to do here as well.
Yeah all you guys and love all of the viewers. Appreciate it so much.
All right, y'all, see you in the premium half.