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Very pleased to bring you all today in interview with independent presidential candidate the one and only RFKJ and you're welcome back.
Great to see us, Sarth, Thanks for having Thank you course, sir.
Well, you're probably the foremost independent candidate that we've seen in this country for quite a long time. And one of the things that we really want to do in this interview is to take you seriously. So one of the things that you've talked about is gaining baland access. So can you guarantee that you're going to be on the ballot in all fifty states?
We just saw an Axios report.
You've got about fifteen million dollars appropriate You're going to be on the ballot in eight states. You're targeting but can you guarantee you're going to be on all fifty of these ballots?
Oh, we'll be on the ballot in all the fifty states in the district.
Okay, And what's the plan for that, because as I understand it, you don't you're not on the ballot yet in a single state. I mean, you successfully were able to challenge the law in Utah, But do you have the ground.
Operations every single wow fully submitted and approved in Utah? Okay, that's our first date. But we have Yeah, we have two hundred and fifty thousand volunteers and we have you know, surinary Yeah, we have many more than any other campaign, and we're very confident that we can get it. You know, most of the states is pretty it's pretty basic. There's a handful of states that make it very very difficult.
New York is one, California is another, Texas another, And you know, you have to pay attention to the rules and we'll probably have to do so litigation and they're going to litigate against us. But we're shooting forgetting I think sixty percent cushion, So we're going to get what we need plus sixty percent more so they knock out some signatures. We should have a cushion enough to.
Be You made an interesting comment I think it was on the theo Von podcast. You said that when you go independent that you were going to take more votes away from Trump. So now you've been doing this now for a couple of months. What are your internal polling show in terms of the support who you're drawing. Is it Biden, is it Trump? Is it non voters?
What do you see?
We're drawing pretty evenly and we're you know that we're getting a lot from people from non voters. The reason what you know, the Politico did a piece on us that showed where they did it really meticulous breakdown of our donor base, and they said in that a shocking number of our donors where people who never done to a political campaign before. And that's what we're finding. But you know, we're when I just anecdotally, the people coming
to our rallies are from all across the board. I think the early polling showed me pulling more from Trump, but I don't you know, you would the big poles are probably you know, the big poles like Quinnipiac and Herbert Harris, New York. Cianna that are looking at three three thousand, four thousand people are probably even more accurate than our internal polls. So you know, you know, as much as I got it.
I think it's pretty But do you think you're going to be on the debate stage with Biden and Trump if you had a plan with the Commission on present?
I don't know.
Do you think Biden is going to debate?
Oh, well, that's a great question for you. You know him, you know him better than we know.
But I don't know. I haven't seen him in years, and I don't I have not seen him do an unscripted event in I think a year at least, So I don't know what they're going to do. But the rules are they have three debates scheduled, and I have them on my personal schedule, So oh, I have at least that much confidence that they'll let me on. But on the rule is the rule that they've adopted is if you have fifteen percent of the vote, you're on, And I'm way above that.
Okay, that's actually a quick thing on that. So you mentioned about Biden not debating last time that we spoke. You didn't want to get into Biden's mental status. Is fitness for president. You're independent now you're not running in the Democratic primary. Just made that comment about him debating. Do you want to go into that? I mean I was asking you, yeah, oh, youth, Okay.
I think it's it's an issue that he is now publicly debated and publicly discussed, which is, you know, his mental acuity. And I think it's fair, you know, to say, are you are you able to debate? Are you? I mean, you know this. It takes a tremendous amount of energy and vigor to run this country and are you up to that, particularly at this point in history. So I think it's fair, you know, for people to ask that,
not in the mean spirited way, right. You know, we've seen I think yesterday he did a press conference in which the answers appeared to have been written out for him in advance. And that's you know, I think the president ought to be evident debate and ought to be able to have unscripted conversations with people.
Yeah.
One of the things we've been trying to look at is gaming out how things are going to go. So if you're going to be pulling your meek getting twenty seven to thirty percent, possibly of the vote, and we are in a scenario we've got multiple different candidates, there's no electoral college victory.
Have you thought about what that's going to look like?
What is your endgame if there is no electoral college victory for the House of Representatives, and how would the election play out? I think a lot of people have been asking that question with respect to your.
Run if that happens, If there's a contingent elect the Senate and chooses the vice president, and the House chooses the president, and they get one vote per state. So if you look in an electro map, there's nine more Republican states than there art Democratic states, and so you
would assume that Trump would run. But if you look at the individual congressional delegations, neither candidate can get twenty six votes because a lot of the delegates the delegations are split from it, you know, just as they have on Minnesota is split fifty to fifty. So the Republicans are never going to vote for Trump because their careers will be ruined. And I mean the Republicans are to vote for yea. Democrats are not going to vote for Trump,
so they would have to find a compromise candidate. And in that case, I'm probably in good shape because my polling are you know, all the public polling shows my favorability ratings ahead of anybody. So with that, what would mean is that I'm the second choice or people are voting for Trump and you know a lot of people are voting for Biden. So you know that's one scenario.
But this is all speculation, and you know, nobody and spin and all of that, which I don't like to do ins but you know we have booked at it.
You have to think about it. Yeah, we have to think about so I guess it could continue down on this road. Let's say we're in a scenario you are in one, we have a minority of.
Electoral College votes.
Would you release your electors to Biden or to Trump after the first round or would you consist on being to compromise candidate.
Oh, I have no idea. I haven't had. It's yeah, I would, I mean I would not even like I would make no comment or prediction. I you know, I intend to win. I think if I'm I'm not a betting person. My wife that's a lot. But if I had to, and I don't, I also don't like to make predictions or like to make spen. But if I had to put money on a candidate right now, I would put it on me.
All right.
Well, my last question kind of for this section is we watched a lot of people conservative media figures out with Sean Hannity, a lot of large conservative Twitter accounts. They built you up when you were winning the Democratic Party. I watched them kind of turn a little bit on you.
I'm pretty much immediately whenever.
You decided to run, definitely turned on. He did watch a lot.
Yeah, we might have covered it here. I can't read it.
What is a lot of drama proceeding? Tell us about it? Well, I don't want to go into it, but it was I had a long relationship was shot because during the you know, and I I had this weird relationship with Roger L's who was the founder of Fox News, and when I was nineteen years old, I spent three months in a tent with him half again and uh, and then I had this weird relationship because he was like Darth Vader to me, and you know, and we were
absolutely anesthetical politically, but he was a very loyal friend and he would when I wanted to talk about the environment on issues he would make the Fox House or urge them to like Neil Cabuda, like Bill Riley, and like Sean have me on. So I assumed he was twisting their arm, but maybe they wanted me. I don't know. But I would talk about the environment on it and I had a lot of run ins wish on. You know,
we were like oil and water all that time. And then he kind of ambushed me once early on the campaign and I just said, okay, you know that I learned my lesson from that. But then he called me and he asked to call me on a weekend and U and he called me and he said he wanted he wanted to talk to me for about forty minutes, and so I had a very pleasant conversation. He said, I want you to come back, and you know, I'm
going to treat you fairly this time. I was like okay, and I went back and I had a great time on the show. And then he did a town hall and it was wonderful. And then as soon as Trump announced it, I know, I got bushwhacked well, and I just sat there and took it for you know, twenty minutes. So you know, it's just part of the partament part.
Yeah. It was kind of amazing to watch out quickly though, like, yeah, literally a little bit on a dime.
Yeah.
Some people even were openly.
Like, yes, actually we have covered here before.
There was a conservative influencer he's got over a million follows, said, look, I built up RFK when he was a threat to Biden. He's like, but now we have to highlight all the things that he believes. But you have no problem with that.
It is what it is.
Yeah, it is what it is.
Let's turn out a little bit.
I'm grateful for them letting me on when they did.
So.
Let's turn to a little bit of policy and specifically of the topic of Israel. Obviously very much in the news right now. So President Biden's administration. They have said that they have no red lines for the State of Israel and their conduct in this war. Do you have any red lines for Israel?
Well, you know the red lines are they? You know, you don't deliver. You do everything you can, which I think Israel is doing right now to avoid civilian casually. You know, there's collateral damage in every war, and they're fighting an implacable enemy. I mean, I don't think there's any country in the world that would go as far as Israel has gone to not invade gods. I mean, Israel was being bombed by Ama. Amas took over God.
Israel walked out of God. There's no occupation of gods though. Well, there's a black hat because because God, because Hamas declared war on Israel and said suicide bombers off. So they put up a fence so that it's there. You know, that's like, that's like the guy who kills his father, his parents and then throws himself on the mercy the court because he is an orphan. You know, for them to say that they're black hated, they're black. Yeah, they're black.
And it's not just Israel, it's blocking is Egypt. Everybody has a problem with a moss you know. In fact, after the seventy three war, after the sixty seven war, Israel tried to give a moss back the Egypt and Egypt didn't want to take it because i mean, God, sorry, gos it back to Egypt. Egypt didn't want to take it because of the you know, the high level of religious militant is on that is that Egypt considered a threat to its own government, but then let me do
his finish. Israel Amas took over in two thousand and six, right, and they immediately started shelling Israel. So they send they sent on average two thousand rockets a year on civilian populations. And they're their charter and their public statements a day after day are they don't it's it is it's against Islamic law for them to even negotiate with Israel except
as a ruse. It says that in their charter they the only satisfaction if for them, the only goal is to annihilate Israel and kill every Jew, not just in Israel but all around the world. So Israel instead of going in and attacking You know, if if Mexico elected a communist government and the communist government began sending shells on the civilian populations at San Antonio on Houston and say we're, you know, we're going to retake Texas, which
they have a legitimate claim to. We're going to retake it. How long would it take us to go in there. It wouldn't take us very long. We would go in and we would do whatever it took to take out the people who are sending these tells, and Israel instead of doing that, Israel did something extraordinary, which is it invested in an iron dome, which is to defend itself again, just to live with missiles. There's there's thousands, tens of thousands of Israelis that on that part of Israel that
have been raised in bomb shelters. Who would put up with that?
No one, no one here is excusing the actions of hum Us. But I think you would agree that one atrocity does not justify another. So how can you hold on? How can you say though, how can you say I haven't finished my question? How can you say that Israel is doing everything they can to avoid civilian death when the civilian death toll, even by Israeli estimates, and this is the low, this is the the best possible number you could put on it is sixty one percent innocent civilians,
thousands of children, thousands of women. That's worse than the combination of every twentieth century conflict combined. So how can you look at that and combine with the complete siege of two point two million people and say that they are doing everything they can to protect civilian life.
First of all, what you said, it's not trum we killed. We killed the seven hundred and fifty thousand civilians in Iraq.
She's percentage one percent.
The percentage of the average kill right in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, most soul in those battles in modern warfare is about eight or nine to one civilians to military.
And you think that's fine. Eighty percent civilian death.
Your pin right. I don't think a single civilian is fine. I'm not a single But when we went into Germany to get out the Nazis, we killed to Germans. We bombed Dresden, which is why.
And actually there's an analysis that just came out that showed the bombing of northern Gaza has been more devastating and more destructive than our bombing of Dresden. I would also say, after World War Two, that's why we put in place things like the Geneva Conventions to make sure that we did as much as we could to protect civilian life. So when you say, let me give you a specific report that you can respond to the Washington Post,
we can put this up on the screen, guys. This is the second element.
Two.
The Washington Post just reported that Israel dropped us supplied white phosphorus in an attack in Lebanon in a way that is inconsistent with the laws of war, directly impacting a civilian population. Are these now you might say, look, with maybe the reports in dispute, maybe we need to go and investigate. But is this or any other of Israeli conduct in this war. Is this something that you think should be investigated for potential violations of international law?
If Israel dropped white fosphs on civilian populations illegally, then they should be prosecuted for war crimes. Yeah, but I don't think there's strong evidence that they've done that, and Israel absolutely denies that there is a legal There are legal ways to use white phosphorus because it's good in war, which is as a concealant, and Israel says that's what's doing. Here's what Israel has done. Israel has made calls people before they bomb. Nobody else in the world does that.
It's made twenty thousand live calls. So somebody, an Arab speaking IDF member who calls the landlord. They have the telephone numbers of everybody in Gossa. There's a lot of connectivity problems, so they can't let me finish, they've made twenty thousand live calls with people telling you here's what's going to happen. You need to move out in your neighborhood on your building. They've sent one point two million
robo calls. They've sent one point two million pamphlets. The pamphlets are color coded for date and for time, so that you don't see an old pamphlet and say, oh, this won't applied. It made so people know when they're
when that building is going to get bombed. And they do something nobody else in the world does because they invented it, which is they send in roof knockers, which is a projectile that hits the roof two hours before they bomb the building to warn the people in that building to get out because they're going to bomb it. In warning the civilians, they're also warning Hamas and so
it makes it much more difficult. And you know the fact there's many many nations in the world that would just go and flatten the whole place, because which is real could do it doesn't have to go in there and put id of soldiers at risk in a hand to hand combat. This is Amas is you know, Amas has made a stand they're putting civilians in the way. What is Israel supposed to do? It can't leave us in there.
But Bobby, I don't think we should accept that from any state or any other. And I mean they have rendered, they've rendered Gaza city uninhabitable at this point, and there's been reports documenting that some of the procedures that you're talking about that they used in previous wars, they're not using this time. They've emphasized this attack on quote unquote power targets, which are things like civilian infrastructure and high rise apartments buildings, not to get hamas, but to create
a quote shock in the civilian population. In addition, as I mentioned before, you have a collective punishment of two point two million people who are having their access to water, food, fuel, medicine blocked right now by Israel. This also appears to be in violation of the Geneva Conventions. Do you think that it's acceptable to impose a siege on the entire civilian population in Gaza if.
There's a violat first of all, I don't think that's happening. I don't think that's happening. Let me explain, can if it violates the Geneva Convention or if they're deliberately and at any point anybody is deliberately targeting civilians, they should be prosecuted and they should be jailed and the key should be thrown away. You know, people say this, but you know, I don't see any proof of that right now, that people are deliberately deliberately targeting civilians.
But the government announced they were doing a complete siege on the two point two Yeah.
Okay, you're talking about the you know the yeah, the siege. Now we did for ten years. We did collective punishment of Iraq. We actually killed.
To justify that either here.
Yeah, but why are we just going after the Jews? Why why is it only on Israel?
Let me, tax dollars are going to fund what's going on and the visuals of these children being killed and losing their parents, and the rubble and you know, the total destruction.
This is something I have friends. I have friends and guys. Okay, I have a friend who is a father of five kids, and what he's living through right now is I have many, many Palestinian friends. I've been to West Bank and met with the Palestinian leaders I have. I love the Palestinian people have. It's excruciating. What's watching what's happened. But why are we blaming Israel?
Why aren't we blaming the bombs they have with the dollars.
They have to get it. I'm as they have to destroy us, and i'm us unfortunately build tunnels for themselves, but they did not build bomb shelters for their people. And they you know, Israel has old people moved to the south. There's food trucks there, there's medicine there, there's but it's only it's only not there.
Go to is an area that is the size of Lax Airport. It is a desert wasteland. There are no UN flight facilities. In fact, if you ask the Secretary General of the UN, he'll tell you there are no safe places in Gaza. You already have one point eight
million people who have been displaced from their homes. So you know, at what point do you say, okay, it's enough, Because the other piece of this, even if you say, and I know you're not saying this, I'm not putting, but even if you say, I don't care about the Palicinyan lives, they got to do what they got to do.
It's the cost of.
War, What are you going to do? There's also a lot of evidence that what they're actually doing is fomenting increasing support for Hamas, because if you think about it, you know, if you're a kid, your parents get blown up, what kind of politics do you think you're going to have when you grow up? Isn't that going to be tremendously radicalizing and incredibly compromising to the security of Israelis alike?
Oh, how would you get rid of Hamas well? If here is real?
Well, I'm not running for president the United States number one, but number two. I think we have a model for this in a sense from the way we went in and approached Bin Laden, so it was a targeted rate. If you're actually going to do this, you do a counter terror operation where you go in a targeted way, you create a wedge between Hamas and the civilian population.
And we see how this works in the past, because previously in Israeli society, when there were pathways to peace that were on the table, where the palaest you need, civilian population felt that they had a chance at negotiating some sort of a peaceful outcome. Guess what support for Hamas falls off a cliff it's almost.
One one relationship with the more brutal.
Response from what is really the more support for radicalism that there is. You can Philip Buster, I'm not philibustering. You asked me a question. I'm trying to answer it.
Yeah, I think you're a feller bustering. You're not answering the question. You're saying, I drive a wedge. Well, of course Israel is trying to drive a.
Wedge by offering some other path that's not it is that vibot to two state solution or some sort of a justin Welston.
Peace and the Palestinians not only have rejected that, but Amas it's a whole purpose. Was the reason that OZ was able to get all this popular support and take over was because of its its opposition to any negotiation.
Hamas just came out and said that they support Israel's PLO and recognize Israel's right to exist. On the other hand, you have the Ash the UK saying we will just absolutely to two state solutions.
I just cannot, like you tell that it's just not true. Isma was on TV Al Jazeira yesterday saying We're going to do this again and again and again. We will never negotiate, which we.
Covered and which is disgusting. But there's no about the hold on what about the facts that what about the fact that Yahoo and his government have said absolutely no, they built up hamas to try to thwart any sort of Palestinian statehood.
But I'm not defending and I don't coast you know what, netaniaha and look good though Israel is a divided country. In eighty or twenty percent of the population around the street demonstrating against Natania Ilo. What I'm saying is the Israeli US is a criminal enterprise. Sure see the Palestinian and you you talk about solutions for the Palaestinian people. The Palatinian people are arguably the most pampered people by international aid organizations the history of this war.
Seventy percent of people in God they had, you know, not enough food to eat?
Right? And why is that? Why are you blame me?
Well, in part it's Moss and in part it's the fact that Israel imposed a blockade and talked about putting them on a diet.
If you're if your neighbor. First of all, Israel has no obligation. The Israel built three thousand hot houses and gave them for greenhouses. I would have made Gods a completely food self sufficient, gave it to them as a gift, offered to rebuild the port of Gods that to make get to Singapore of the West. AMAS and no, we don't want you money, We don't want you ideas. And what do they do with the international aid agencies have given.
AMAS have given Gaza more than ten times the per capita what we gave to rebuild all of Europe after the Marshall Plan. They've gotten eight three hundred dollars per capita every person in Gaza. We rebuilt Europe with six hundred and twenty one dollars per capita in Europe and we rebuilt it. What do they do with that money instead of using it to make this? You know, Agaza is this beautiful country, waite sand beaches. It should be a paradise. Amasaid, we don't want that. They take virtually
all that money and they steal it. So the top five guys, the top five leaders of AMAS are billionaires. Ismael Heine has five billion dollars according to Forbes. Wait, let me just finish it, because you made us. We know you are making a statement that is just wrong. It's not Israel's fault. Is poverty strict and gazis is. It should be one of the wealthy estates on the on.
The men control over their own territory.
Of course, if you go to Warwick, if you.
Get everything that comes in and goes out.
If you go to war No Crystal Bristol. Why are you blaming? Why do you insist on blaming Israel and then blaming of us.
I do blame has But you know what we are. Tax dollars do not go to Hamas, they go to the net New Hall and and you know what bombs bombed dram right.
You know what most of our tax got dollars have gone for for the iron done, which is a way of not blame, of not invading God. Our country and the Israel for sixteen years have expended this huge amount of money to try not to go into God. Well, God that sent two thousand rockets a year suicide bombers.
And of course let me Israel come in and quote unquote mode the lawn.
They've gone in five times, and every time they've signed a piece agreement with Hamasa, every time they violated that piece agreement. Let me let me tell you Israel. Also, hold on, if Mexico attacked us and we built a fence, would you blame us for cage in Mexico? Well, you're you know, I don't know what it is, but everything in your mind is telling you to blame Israel instead of blaming him.
Bobby, hold on, hold on, let me just let me, let me because I want to get to the end game. Then Soccer has some questions for you on free speech that I want to make sure we get to because I think this is important as well. What who has said and what he's tasked his senior advisory.
But he's let me answer your question.
Haven't you even asked the question?
Let me finish answer your last question?
Can we put this element up on the screen now? Who has said that he wants to quote unquote fin out the population of Gaza to a minimum. There is simultaneously a proposal that is being shopped here in DC with some bipartisan support, that would use r A dollars to countries in the region to pressure them to accept Palestinian refugees out of Gaza to enable Netanyahu's plan of quote unquote finding out the population. I'm sure you know he has been very cagy about what he wants the
future of Gaza to look like. What do you want the future of Gaza to look like? And is there any circumstance where you would support pushing neighboring countries to resettle Palestinians.
No, I don't, As I said, I don't go sign anything for net or for the good.
But he's so, I know, but he's a deal with How would you deal with it? What would be your plan for the future of Gaza?
If I'm right now, you know I'm all years is how do you get rid of Hamas? I think you have to get rid of amas Ama is a criminal organization that is making built the lead. The five leaders of it are all billionaires. By the way, yas Or Rafat died a billionaire, a mood A bas A billionaire. His two kids who run West Bank are have seven
hundred and fifty million dollars. It is a criminal enterprise where they are stealing everything from the people of Gaza and then they raise them from kindergarten to kill Jews. You know, I saw the forty three minute film of the goat pros and the body camps and the things that I saw on there, you know, the rape, the burning people alive. No matter what happened to you for the rest of your life, no matter how abused you were,
no matter how you could never act that way. These kids are being raised as serial killers.
They're being raised inmate targets.
Well, the terror, yes, I'm talking about the.
No, that's not what I'm saying, Crystal. What I'm saying is amas Is is oppressing it's own people. It's stealing from and it's turning them into it's taking away their childhood instead of you know, just distributing this huge amount of money that they've gotten, building a wonderful culture and society and economic prosperity for them. Instead, it has one purpose, which is to annihilate Jews and kids. Their schools are named after Jew killers, their streets are named after Jew killers.
You know they they are paid bounties to.
Kill jewelry Palsenians in Gaza support a two state solution.
Well, the polls I've seen right now, I'm full for two state solutions. Show me how it happens. The last time that Arafat was offered that which was in you know, by Clinton and Ahood Iraq in two thousand and one, he was offered to everything that the Palestinians had asked for, everything and except for three percent of the West Bank, and they said, we'll give you three percent of it. Israel knows the suburbs around me, major Israeli cities that are settled. Oh and an Arafat walked out of that
negotiation without a counteroffer. Any later explained to Prince Ben if I made a deal, anybody who makes a deal with the Israelis, they will be killed by our own people. Just you know, they've been offered to two states.
About your endgame? So I just want to get a definitive answer on that.
She asked you about your endgame, which is, let's say we Israel and we agreed there's no justification of hamas criminal enterprise. It's gone. What does the two states look like? Two states solutions look like? Under the Kennedy administration, the Blide administration is pushing the palest and authority says no, So is that something that you envisioned if.
I first of all, that rather the United States cannot decree that you know there's going to be a two state solution. What we can do is we can pressure Israel. But more importantly, we can use our influence. I think what we need to be doing is to is to encouraging the Solomon Accords, encouraging peace in the region, encouraging ultimately piece is going to come from prosperity.
Would you condition AID to try to secure a two state solution or at least to end the.
I would encourage it, But as I said, more importantly, I would encourage the other nations. I would be talking on the phone right now with President z with President Putin, with all the leaders of the Arab world and trying to get some kind of collaboration because I think ultimately that's what's going to happen. But until that, but you know, one of the problems, one of the dilemmas for Israel right now is you can say to Israel, you know,
let's turn this over to the UN. The UN has never the blue helmets always left as soon as the shooting starts, and the UN will not even condemn Amas. So how you know, and then the other Arab states have solidified of all well, you know, expresssolidarity in supportive Hamas. So how is Israel to you know, expecting out to turn its fate it's destiny, its duty to protect its own people from danger. Over to people who say, we don't think there's anything wrong with what Amas did, so.
Let's move on to free speech. Just something we want to get into here.
So I'm sure you saw the clip presidence of MIT, University of Pennsylvania and Harvard University.
There's been a campaign billionaire Bill Ackman.
I believe he actually is a supporter of yours to try and fire those university presidents. So do you think that they should be fired for their answers in saying that calling for the genocide of Jews does not constitute harassment and in a call in and of itself as a supporter of free speech, I'm curious.
Me ask you something. Sure, if they had called for or death to all black people.
We all know what the answer would be.
I agree with the answer.
They would say immediately absolutely, Okay, Yeah, what's the difference? Well, I mean, I'm not necessarily sure though that in him call for any I.
Mean, I think, by the way I understand what the difficulty is here is you want free speeches, so we want to maximize free speech. At one point, are there different rules on the college campuses? You know that there's all these rules now that I don't really understand or ascribe to about keep keeping people safe from bad information.
But when something becomes when it's in, when it appears to be inciting violence, which I think you could read you know, deathhol a, black people or genocidologies as incitement of violence, I think then that's uh, yeah, that that should be decided.
I don't swear that with a free speech absolute because there is there is no like Hitler was right exception to the first man.
I mean, you're right, I think. I mean the line that we have right now, if he looks at the Supreme Court rulings, is that you can't you can't incite violence. Oh if words that you use are if a jury found, yeah, that was inciting violence, that person was inciting violence, then it's no longer protected by the.
First Actually a bit worried about that.
I mean, people have been saying that you're encouraging like mass death for a lot of their comments on vaccine.
They certainly would have used that provision against you.
I'm happy to try that in court, Okay, all right, Oh, I'm happy to try it in front of a jury.
So next question here, do you think this is for per congressional resolution? Do you think that being anti Zionist is anti Semitic?
Uh? How would you remember?
How so there was there was a measure of that before Congress. If you were in Congress, how would you vote on that? Oh?
What do you what do you define as Zionism? Well, the right to for Israel to exist?
No, Well, I think Zionism's political ideology predates the state of Isa.
Yeah. Yeah, but it was about having the Jews have.
Their own, have a homeland.
Yes, And so are you saying that Jews should.
Not have their own I'm not saying anything.
I mean, listen, listen. There's forty one countries in the world that have an official religion. Israel is not among them. There is no official religion in Israel. There's freedom of religion. There's twenty of Arab states that have official religions, yes, and in fact rules that require Shuri law, which includes bigoted provisions against Jews. There are many like the West Bank and Kaza and Jordan apply the death penalty to anybody who sells land to a Jew. So those countries
are genuinely apartheid states or single religion states. Israel's aren't one of them. So what you're saying, you know, the Vatican is a Catholic state. England is an Anglican state. My aunt Kit Kennedy had to change religion in order to marry a member of the Aristotra.
I remember reading that.
Yeah, so you know, there are many states around the world. I think there's four Buddhist states, There's two Hindu states. There are twenty seven Muslim states. There are many many countries that have official religions, but the Israel doesn't. But Israel is officially a Jewish state. It's a homeland for Jews. It's original charter reflects the idealism of Zionism. Oh, if you're saying Jews alone should not have their own state, that is you know, if that's what any Zionism is,
then I would say, that's like George Wallace. It's like to finish, It's like George Wallace saying I'm a segregationist, but I'm not a racists.
Surely, Bobby, you're aware that there is a long tradition of Jews who are opposed to Zionism, who have a critique of Zionism. Not to all about there are into your Zionists. There are jew science, so shouldn't there be shouldn't there be an there there are? What I'm saying, should there be an ability to critique a political ideology without being you.
Know, you should be Well, that's why the definition of what Zionism is. If you're saying that Zionism, what Zionism is the belief that Jews can have their own state, and you're.
Against that criticizing you know, Saudi Arabia which has in Islamic Xuria based government, does that make you as lamophobic?
Or the Republic of Pakistan Kashmir? Yeah, does that make it lamh Kushmir? If we're going to say, well.
It depends, I suppose if you're if you're saying that it's okay for all those other countries. I have a religious government, but but Israel Loan should not have it. And I think, yeah, there's something there's something so bigoted about that.
Governor DeSantis had banned the organization Students for Justice and Palace on a Camp.
I'm curious.
There have been calls Republican legislators as well to use a federal government to investigate these types of student groups.
Is that something that you would do under Kennedy administration.
I don't know what that group is, whether they advocating violence or whatever, but I don't think I think if you know somebody's advocating violence against Jews, that they should be banned and they should be investigated. If if it's a if it's just a pro Palestine group, no, of course not. I have freedom of speech.
What about the anti BDS laws.
There are a number of states that have ANTIBDS provisions that basically say that if you're a state employee and you advocate for BDS, that that's a fireable efense for boycott divestent sanction, which is often It was originally used against apartheid South Africa, has been adopted i think by the social justice left, largely in relation to Israel as a result of the Settlement policy. Whether we agree or not, this is a state laws that are on the books
in multiple across the United States. I think goes violate the law say that if you embrace or advocate for beating. So, for example, Abby Martin, you might be familiar with her. She's a prominent political commentator. I guess she's done a lot of work on Gaza as well. She successfully challenged one of these laws in the state of Georgia because she's an advocate of BDS and she wanted to make her well the lasses you can't you cannot be paid by the state, and you cannot be go ahead, Crystal.
So in her instance, in her instance, she was invited to speak to a public university in Georgia, and as a condition of her speaking gig, she had to sign a pledge saying that she would not participate in the boycott, divestment and sanctioned movement. She successfully challenged that in court on First Amendment grounds, And in Texas they have a laws.
A lot of states have these laws that say, you know, if you're going to be an employee of the state, you have to sign this pledge that you won't boycott the state of Israel se alone among our nature. So you're able to boycott the US or your own government, but not the Israeli government.
Yeah, I mean, my feeling about that is that if you're if you're doing it on your own time and not representing the state, it's a free speech issue, you know, listen, I was, you know, support the right of the Nazis to march and scope Gillan. Yeah, I think we also think, you know, we're you know that the more that the remedy for bad speech, very hate speech, for unpleasant speech is not censorship, it's more speech shop.
Let me ask you more political questions.
So something I know you tweeted about this we highlighted here on our show.
I actually think you tweeted out the clip of us.
Talking about it about you leading amongst voters under the age of forty five, specifically young voters, probably one of the most popular candidates amongst that group. At the same time, we've seen a significant optic I think in pro Palestinian sentiment, you could say that amongst people who were young, you can co sign that for a variety of reasons. Could be TikTok, could be anything. So I'm curious politically, I can see emotionally you're very you're very animated about the
Israel issue. How do you plan to win those people over when? And from what we can see at least right now on the polling, there's a little bit of distance in the way that they think about the conflict and the way that you're talking about the conflict.
Yeah, I mean people are going to vote for who they want to vote for it, and some people are going to be single issue voters and I'll lose some of those. I mean, you know, I can't Siger. I can't do anything except be true to my own heart. And you know, do what I if somebody, if somebody has a argument with me and convinces me that I'm wrong about something, and I'm going to change my mind if you show me facts that you know that demonstrate I'm wrong. I'm going to listen to everybody. Yes, I
just listen to Crystal Pilot on me right. You know this is what we should be doing.
Well, we agree, this is your third round here. You know you're getting into.
We should be have open, you know, spirited, congenial, respectful debate, you know, and about this stuff. And if people don't like where I end up on things, and you know, I'm going to tell you why I end up. I'm going to show you that I've been thoughtful about it, that I'm not you know, I'm not acting in a knee jerk way to take or a political way. I'm
not doing anything from ideology. I'm free of that. I may still end up in a different place than you, and in that case, you of your joys about whether you want the whole package, you know, which is somebody who's who I'm going to fight harder for this generation the people who between twenty and thirty five there that's I'm narrowly focused on making sure they can get homes, that they can, you know, have a decent economy, that the American dream is real for them. And I'm going
to work every day in my presidency on that. And I may fall on different parts, you know, place there's people who support the Ukraine War, which I'm as you know, adamantly yes you have, but they also support me. There's people who you know who support you know, I have to support from people who are vaccinated unvaccinated. I have support from people who are pro life and pro choice,
and you know. But if you have just one issue and I'm wrong on it, I get it and I respect you for that, and that's how it was supposed to.
Work, right.
I have one last wrap up free speech question for you, and we'll move on to some other issues. But on x formerly Twitter, Elon Musk decided to ban the word decolonization and also the phrase from the river to the sea in the whole flap about the university presidents. There wasn't actually any example, at least not one offer of people saying genocide the Jews. They were talking about a chant from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
And they also brought up a call for globalizing the Intafada. Do you think that those things are incitements to violence? Do you support their banning on Twitter? Do you support their banning on college campuses? You and just on those specifics, spent.
A lot of billions dollars and he's lost a lot of sense. And I utterly respect him for what he's done, for standing up for speech. But it's his platform he has, you know, just like you don't. You don't have to allow me on here or anybody else. It's up to you.
Is not a question of whether he can, it's a question of whether it only become censorship.
It only becomes censorship when the government is ordering. I mean, it only implicates the First Amendment when the government is telling you to do that. Otherwise, if you own a printing press, you can print who you want, and you can deny who you want. You know, and he owns the big printing press.
I got to stick with this, though, because I don't understand. I mean, you were at one point probably one of the most censored men in America, and you often talked Instagram.
I remember your band from Instagram at certain.
Points on YouTube and tremendously difficult to even feature any of your videos. It's even what I remember having to do research. I had to go on Rumble or somewhere else in order to listen to what you said. How do you square that position? I mean, given the way that you know during the COVID vaccine debate, the way that your views were censored throughout all of this, how do you square the idea that you know corporations can be able to do whatever they want.
Well, there's two. There's there's a couple of issues. One is if if the government isn't in the censorship, which they were involved in my censorship. Biden administration was, and then members of the Trump administration, although not directly the White House, we're collaborating with the social media and media sites to censor me. So that's first Amendment, that's a straight violation.
There There's another kind of censorship, which is corporate censorships, so that you know, you probably get pharmaceut.
Altimtizing, well, we do not actually know.
Okay, well that's good, right, but CNN does, and you know, ABC and NBC get it. Roger Hills told me that for Fox the Evening News, it was seventy percent of the revenues for evening News. And so they, the pharmaceutical industry actually controls content on those platforms, and it is telling you, you know, it is forcing those announcers edit what they say and not tell the public things that might affect their mercantile ambition. And they're commercial, you know, companies.
So that is a corporate censorship. And I would argue that that's illegal when it happens on a public airwave, because the networks do not own the airwaves. The networks are licensed to use them, but they're owned by the American public, and they have to use them for a public purpose. If you have on your own printing pat present your basement, or if you're the Sulzburger family and you own The New York Times, or if you're Elon Musk and you don't you know, and you're willing to say,
you know, I'm not. I don't care what advertisers say, and you have a right to have on your platform who you want and who you don't. The thing I complain complained about was was commercial censorship, where I was being censored on the government owned airwaves because of pharmaceutical advertising. And number two, government diplicated censorship.
So you're you're okay with if on Twitter or on Instagram, the Zuckerberg or Musker, who for the billionaire that owns the platform is wants to censor certain views.
They're entitled to their behest.
I think if the government's not involved, sadly, that is that's the way the world works, all right, all right, And you know I was there's a The alternative to that is to declare Twitter or Instagram at public utility. I don't think it would work because I think the reason that those platforms work is because of the commercial incentives. What about that because you constantly have to upgrade the performance to compete with all the other people, and that's why their success.
What about a standard if we say that all censorship has to abide within the First Amendment at all social media come.
You can operate however you want. It's just that in terms of censorship removal of content.
Well, here's what I would do as president. Yeah, Okay, the day and I'll do this the day that I go in is I will issue an executive order saying that no utterly paid official can collaborate with any media or social media company in cessoring political speech.
Okay, okay, Exscell, I wanted to ask you about your position on abortion. You got to ask a question on the on the trail. I think it was Ali Vitality of NBC News if you would sign a fifteen week abortion man you seem to indicate you did in the campaign, said you misunderstood the question. So I just wanted to clarify your stance. Is there any national restriction on abortion that you would support as president of the United States if that ended up on your death?
No, I you know, I think listen, I think every abortion is a tragedy. I've spent I probably thought as hard as anybody in this country for medical freedom and for people to have autonomy over their own bodies. And I understand also the you know that there's a countervailing interest, the interest that you know, the unborn baby get a cruise at some rate, or you know, in some people's views. Immediately, Yes, I respect people who believe that and I don't think
anything as a satisfactory's illusion. But I think ultimately we have to trust the moms. We have to trust women. Oh and that, but you know, I will you know, I'm not gonna I'm not going to ride or you know, or ridicule people who believe that life starts with that inception and you know, have devoted their lives to protecting that, and I think they should be heard. I have people in my family and I grew up with that who I was very close to, had that you know notion.
I understand it, and they we all can respect each other.
So let's go and put this next element up on the screen. You mentioned, you know, medical freedom being something that's always been very important to you, at least you know, and for the past number of years, I'm sure you saw probably this story which was in the news everywhere, this mom of two who the Texas Supreme Court ruled she could not seek an abortion even though her fetus was diagnosed with you know condition that means that it cannot live outside of the womb. It's causing serious health
problems for her. She had to leave the state in order to seek the abortion for her health condition, and so Obviously, there's already been a huge rollback in terms of women's rights after the overturning of Roe versus Wade. Is there anything you would do under Kenny administration to try to restore those rights in the states where the procedure has been all the banned.
I don't mean, what's President Biden doing nothing?
Nothing, That's why you're going to be different, that's the question. Well, I mean, one idea is to try to eliminate the filibuster in order to secure you know, enthrining Roe versus Wade as the law of the land, which is something that's been floated for a lot of years.
I would not end the filibuzzer. I think those kind of procedure tampering with the Democrats, these long standing democratic institutions in Congress, then yet get turned against you on the next term.
Would you want to if you had a you know, sixty vote majority in order.
To think.
So, you would support it at the federal level?
Exactly? I think women, you know, I think we have to trust the moms.
I have a question on housing. I know this is something that you reference to.
This is actually one of the areas that I've seen you get a lot of attention on this plan.
I believe it is to give.
All homeowners or the first time home buyers a three percent mortgage.
Could you lay that out?
We see a tremendous amount of interests from our audience on housing about the ability to buy and just your views both on the housing market and your plan in order to make it more affordable.
I mean, we're looking at a whole lot of different issues. I'm very focused on making sure this generation that you know, the twenties and thirty year olds can get into home. So you know, one of the one of the ways that my uncle did it and I actually was in an apartment building and in uh a couple of days ago.
That's one of his buildings and it's a special class of mortgages that he created a three percent interest and funded with with Treasury bills that were sold at three percent, but with with tax reductions, so he was able to finance that with the market. And this this apartment building, as I think it had eighty three apartments in it that are being rented by the highest one is about two hundred and seventy dollars a month, and then even lower if you can't afford it. And it's you know,
this is sixty years later. Oh, that's one of the issues. I'm also you know, there's a number of other things we can do. There's one hundred billion dollars surplus that's supposed to be used for housing, uh in Fanny man Freddie Mac one hundred and ten billion, and I'm going to unleash that and create housing stock.
I have.
I have a panel of economic advice. There's a wide range, and they're all focused on this. Removing tax benefits to corporations that are using federal loans to buy houses, home equity loans and those kind of loans. And also UH supporting or creating legislation that will make it impossible or make it a penalize with tax treatment, the accumulation of single family homes by large investment houses and hedge funds.
Quickly, you got a VP shortlist.
I wouldn't talk about it. I enjoy you.
You're looking at what Sean fain of u a W I put him at the top of my list.
I don't know, be interesting, I would comment.
No comment is that? I mean, is that a serious like someone your float?
No?
I just like.
Him, But there are other people you like like that flavor Tana White. You know, he's bombastic, He's got the few attitude. Is that something you're looking for? Like, what do you know?
I'm looking for somebody? Maybe it was a little bit more healing.
Okay, now all right, okay, So I do have a question here. I wanted to wrap on.
You talked to this got a lot of attention about flying on Epstein's plane twice. I know you clarified that that was a point in which you've since said you believe that he was trying to curry favor with your family. So do you I don't remember saying I saw it on your Twitter. So you followed up and said it's possible that he was tall.
That on my Yeah, Oh yeah, I don't know. I mean, I can tell you exactly what my relationship was with Jeffrey Absain. I flew his my wife Mary Richardson, who his girlfriend. I didn't know there was. I thought it was his wife at the time, but gilln Maxwell, Yeah, and she got a ride. Glenn offered her a ride for our family to go to Palm Beach, where I
wanted to visit my mother over Eastern Oh. I flew down with Mary and my two kids with the two oldest kids, Mary was pregnant with Connor at the time, and then another time that was in nineteen ninety three. So nobody knew about Jeffrey Epstein's nefarious activities. The first hint the public was.
Two thousand and six, Yes, a first conviction.
Yeah, so, so nobody knew about it. He was just another you know, wealthy guy in New York. And then I flew again sometime maybe I know, you know, probably about nineteen ninety five or nineteen ninety six, I flew to to South Dakota again with all my kids and Mary to do a fossil hunting trip with them. Now, I probably ran into Epstein at fund raisers and stuff, but I didn't know him socially, you know, I didn't he was He was not my friend.
Okay, My question is about the well, I guess I don't know if your staff put it out, but one of the things you'd surmise was about him currying favor. And there's been quite a few questions about whether he was a foreign intelligence asset, either for Israel for the United States. Is that something like what do you think about that?
I have no idea yeah, I just I don't know. I mean I've read that he was, you know, an agent from a sad Yeah, I don't know. You know, I really haven't followed him that much. My kids, two of my kids or one of my kids follows him and said to me, you know, it's that it's highly likely that he was murdered. But I wouldn't want to, you know, I don't want to get involved in other conspiracy theory because.
The Epstein.
Oh, I think everything Look, everybody in his black looks should be you know, we shouldn't know those names. We should know you know, de class by everything, so being everything lay it out because you know he was in fought that I saw the documentary on him and you know what they were doing was it was just horrific. But I mean that that was thirteen years after I took that fight, and everybody I have to say that,
well I knew. I mean I I saw Harvey Weinstein, I Bill Cosby came to my house, and O Jake Simpson came to my house the cable lot, but nobody knew that they were you know, rapers and killers like they were. There were just well known people and you know if you're living in New York.
And I need to hang out of your house so I can meet some interesting people.
Because when I was a kid, you know, my people came to my my you know, my mom's house when you know, but you don't know who these people aren't turn to get.
Arrest until you find out.
You got to go, sir, all.
You tell people where they can follow your campaign and support you.
Thank please, yeah, thank you for thank you for that, because I got in trouble Kennedy twenty four dot com. And you know if you're if you're in a state that there's about fifteen states now where we can sign uh, where we can sign where you can sign a petition to get me on the ballot. I need to get a million signatures. So if your state is not open yet, you can pledge there and then we'll contact you. Yeah.
Well, listen, you and I have our differences of opinion, but I really encourage people to do that if you just believe in democracy, whether or not you intend on supporting your candidacy. So thank you, We appreciate the time, appreciate.
That endorsement, Crystal.
Thank you for joining us about that.
Always pleasure and we.
Look forward to see you again. I appreciate you and we will see you all later.