12/1/23: Israel Bombing BACK ON, Stunning Oct 7 Failure Revealed, Krystal and Saagar REACT: Newsom Vs DeSantis Debate Highlights

resumed their assault. International mediators said that talks were continuing in the hopes of quickly reviving the truce, but as of now you had Hamas blaming Israel for the collapse of the ceasefire, saying in a statement it had offered to release more hostages, including older people, but that Israel had made a quote prior decision to resume the criminal aggression.

That is Hamas's side of the story. Israel says that Hamas violated the ceasefire agreement by firing on Israel and failing to release as many hostages as it had promised. Hamas released eight hostages on Thursday. That was too fewer than expected after releasing at least ninety four since the truce began, And Sagar, you know basically where we are at this point is the original agreement that enabled this

temporary ceasefire had to do with women and children. Well, now, at this point most of the women and children have been released. So what Hamas is saying, and you know, take it for what it's worth, is that they've been trying to expand that deal to include other categories of people in Israel at this point has been relatively uninterested.

We've covered on our show, of course comments from Netan Yahoo and also comments from Defense Minister Galant about how they are very committed to going back to the war, to even expanding the war and focusing on the south of the Strip. And in fact, this morning we can also report put this up on the screen flag byro

and Ryan Grim. They are leafleting in Conunis, that is one of the cities in the southern part of the Gaza Strip where people had fled, and they are warning them that they need to evacuate con Unis less before this next bombing campaign begins. And we already also know this morning that some of those bombs have already begun dropping, and we've had reports of dozens of people already killed in renewed hostilities.

months to prosecute this campaign. The Israelis are like, no, I really don't think so. And actually Crystal just breaking this morning from the Financial Times with a leak from the Tel Aviv from Tel Aviv and the Israeli war Cabinets says quote Israel plans for a long war, aims to kill the top three Hamas leaders. They say that the intensive ground strategy in Gaza will continue into early twenty twenty four. Obviously, that is one where that could

mean anything. That could mean January. It also could mean March or April, depending on which way that you want to look at it. The top three Hamas leaders inclusion in that actually includes people who are currently living in Noha,

so that'll be an interesting thing. But most importantly is they are basically trying to do to or telegraphing that they want to do to communists what they did in North Gaza, which puts them directly at odds with what the US and growing calls for limiting and changing Israeli tactics here in the US. They want to do the exact same thing to envelop the city of communists cut it off from the south, so we will see multiple more ground incursions, most likely from a forward operating in

North Gaza. Gaza City could be a staging area and also the shared border. What they did previously to Gaza cities, they cut it off from the south in terms of fleeing both fighters and civilians, and then came in from the top and enveloped the entire thing while having air strikes. Now the air strikes have already resumed. It's difficult to pin down exactly where, but even some reported at the

rough a crossing like previously that we had seen. And of course, you know what we have to always think about are the two million or so people who remain inside of Gaza, we're told are being told now to flee this effectively, while it was already one of the most densely populated places in the world, they are now fleeing the quote unquote evacuation zone in the south and

trying to limit people. It's difficult to see without a map, but if you think about the first third is basically been occupied, most of the civilian infrastructure has been destroyed.

Now we're moving on to the second third, and everybody's being trying or at least ideally compressed into this like small tiny area of the strip, which you know, raises a question of where the hell they want to go, and is I think is going to significantly increase questions and pressure and high stakes negotiations because I just also saw from the Wall Street Journal increasing calls from Israeli

leaders who are pressuring the US officials. They're like, you guys need to take some of these Palestinians, or you need to pressure the Arab states to accept them. And of course, you know, the Palestinians themselves are very reluctant to take that dale simply because they don't think that they'll ever be able to come back. This goes to much more meta questions around all of this. But the I think we could say with probably good confidence that the truce is over, at least in the form that

we knew it. If there is a temporary cease fire. It possibly could maybe a day or two something like that, but the willingness of the Israeli forces to restart the campaign it looks pretty ironclad. And that is a rebuke I think of the Biden administration, who very publicly was like, we don't want this to restart. So it also shows you the limits of US diplomacy.

This is a translation by Channel twelve News, which is part of why it's like English is a little bit choppy. Anyway, Blinken said, according to them, quote, you can't operate in southern Gaza in the way you did in the north. There are two million Palestinians there. You need to evacuate fewer people from their homes, be more accurate in the attacks, not hit un facilities, and ensure there are enough protected areas for civilians, and if not, then don't attack where

there is a civilian population. He goes on to ask what is your system of operation? He told them at one point, in no uncertain words, you do not have months, you have weeks. Now again, is US influence going to be brought to bear to try to guarantee that result remains to be seen? We haven't seen any of that thus far. He also raised the question of the day after all, right after you finish your bombing campaign and

your ground invasion in all of this, what then? Of course, the net Yahoo government has floated all sorts of trial balloons, which we've discussed here, one of which seems to be their ideal solution of pushing everybody out as you're talking about Sagar. They're into you know, neighboring Arab countries or some to the US, or exclusively into Egypt, but they

won't actually commit to what their real goal is. And Blincoln said, you don't want the Palestinian authority on the day after we understand that that's what the Solution in the US has been pushing. The best way to kill an idea is to bring a better idea. The other states in the region need to know what you are planning,

so putting pressure there as well. But again clearly, and I think with the restart of this bombing campaign, and you know, which thus far seems to be approached in exactly the same way that the Northern bombing campaign occurs. They don't care what the US says behind the scenes or leaks to the press, et cetera. There's no evidence that they care about our words and our secret displeasure with their actions to you know the point you were making, Sager.

You have so many people condensed now in this very small area that the possibility of even greater civilian death is very real, very real. There's a report that came out. I don't know if you had a chance to read it. It's from this nine to seventy two magazine. I may dig it into it more on Monday, talking about the way they have approached this war and how it's actually been different than some of the tactics that they've used previously, even within Gaza, and one of the major categories of

targets that they've approached are so called power targets. These are things like major buildings, high rise apartment buildings, where in previous wars, it's not that they would have put them off limits, but they would have at least tried to make sure that civilians had left before they struck these targets. This time around, they made these power targets and individual residential homes. They're primary targets. Not because this was the best way to degrade hamasa's capability, far from it.

Some of these buildings have very limited relationship to Hamas whatsoever, but because they want to shock the population into putting pressure on HAMAS. So those are the sort of tactics that Blinkn is referring to here when he says you can't do in the South what you did in the North. The North is destroyed, like there is nothing left to go back to. Effectively, all of the civilian life and infrastructure in the North has been gutted. So that's where

we are right now today. And this comes also as there is a stunning report from the New York Times about we were debating whether you can even call it an intelligence failure. At this point they knew put this up on the screen about the October seventh plans. More

than a year in advance. Israeli officials obtain Hamas's battle plan I'm reading now for the October seventh terrorist attack, a year before it happened, documents, emails, and interviews show, but is really Military and intelligence officials dismiss the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The translated document didn't set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities, and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters. They go on to say they followed this blueprint with shocking precision. You're talking about. It called for a barrage of rockets to start, drones to knock out the security cameras, and automated machine

guns along the border. Gun Men to pour into israel En mass in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot, all of which happened on October seventh. And not only that, so they've got this document laying out the plan. They also had an intelligence unit that was monitoring activities in Gaza Strip and these analysts were saying, we're watching them prepare for these attacks. We see them training, we see

what they're doing. They're serious about this, and those concerns by the higher ups from this, by the way, all female unit, we're completely dismissed in spite of the fact that they had this intelligence right in front of their face of what they were planning. It is truly astonishing that this was missed.

a failure of imagination. I mean here, it just seems to be that they just simply did not believe that Hamas was capable of a large scale military operation, despite twenties, almost twenty years now of them warning that they have military capabilities, rockets, terrorists, they have all of these weapons. And this is why, you know, you have to just be deeply skeptical here where when they say BB says we need a long war, well, the longer this thing

goes on, the better off it is for him. The more he farther away he can get up from October seventh, the less questions are going to be asked about what happened.

You need a leader with actual confidence to be for the Israeli public and also to negotiate in best faith for whenever you're sitting across the table from the US, from all the Western allies. So yeah, reading through it, it is just it's shocking, because what's crazy is the plan was followed almost to a tee. The blueprint of where and how to attack, not just the paragliders, their area, where to go.

the scenario is imaginary. She wrote. In one email, The Hamas training exercise, she said, fully matched the content of Jericho Wall, which is the name of this document that they were able to obtain. It is a plan designed to start a war, she added. It is not just a raid on a village. I mean, just as direct

as she possibly can, and they just dismissed it. And I think it speaks to you know, it speaks to an complete level of arrogance, right Net and Yahoo has this idea we control the height of the flames, obviously not. I think it speaks to level of contempt for Palestinians of like Ah. They're not capable of anything approaching this, so, you know, which ties into the arrogance. Also a level

of overconfidence in their technology. Their technology, you know, their fancy wall with all their super top tech, super expensive, with their remote control machine guns, et cetera, which we know from what unfolded on October seventh, was mostly disabled by failure cheap off the shelf drone technology, you know, something that an ordinary citizen could easily purchase and acquire. They were able to, you know, and this is part of why the response also failed. For many hours, people

were left on their own to fend for themselves. When you have this, you know, ragtag bunch of terrorists versus one of the pre eminent militaries in the entire world. So it is stunning to see this level of failure. And of course many people are drawing comparisons to the intelligence failure we suffered before nine to eleven, where again it wasn't that we didn't have the information, it's that people did, didn't do anything about it, and didn't take it seriously.

reason why this makes it even more stunning. You had almost twelve fifteen hundred people who participated in this attack. That's literally what one thousand times yeah, one hundred times more than the number who participated in nine to eleven. So nine to eleven is not even comparable in terms of the planning and the scale they It would be as if the CIA and the FBI literally knew they were like, awe, they were going to hit the World Trade Center with two Boeing seven thirty sevens. They're going

to hijack multiple things. Are they're going to use box cutters. These are their attacks. They're going to strike in the more. That's basically the level of precision that Israel had on this, and they ignored it. So yeah, I don't think you can. And this is where the most normy critique of Netrognal

was just so obvious. There's two options. Either he ignored it and so did the Israeli leadership, or his bullshit and call to personality where he centered all Israeli politics around him, distracted the entire populace and top leadership away from what should have been focused on security, and in that vacuum, Hamas perfect storm they were able to pull off this attack. So I think it's ten times worse than nine eleven.

I mean, it really is quite sunning. It will also feed the conspiracy that this was effectively like a false flag, like they let it happen intentionally, which I don't buy. And I'll tell you why. But I'm curious your thoughts because this is such a political disaster for a net And yah, yes, that's why I don't like he is ideological. There's no doubt about it, right that he's very ideological person. But his number one ideology is to himself and his

own grip on power. And you would have to be a complete fool, which I do not think that he is, to think this was going to be somehow good for you politically. So that's why I don't buy that. I think it's just sheer in competence. But that doesn't mean that as many nefarious leaders do when a crisis hits, that they don't then try to use that crisis to effectuate whatever their personal political and ideological goals are. And that's exactly what we're seeing unfold right now.

Let's get to it, okay, And now turning to the hottest event in American politics, not really the Gavin Newsome rumble in Fox News shosted by Sean Hannity versus Ron Desanti's debate, the two different ideologies and the governors facing off, and it was certainly something and we've pulled what we think are some of the best moments from that, we should note to the way that we pulled these is I think, very different than how a lot of others

are digesting in terms of what actually matters electorally, what is really going to hit home according to the priorities of Americans. First and foremost was a pretty strong opening from Governor Gavin Newsom where he played off the initial attacks from Governor Ron DeSantis, but more importantly, he actually hit DeSantis for his underperformance so far in the GOP primary while parrying some of his attacks. Let's take a listen to that.

smile on his face for the entire time. And I actually thought it was a very effective way for Newsom to constantly needle DeSantis throughout the entire thing, because if this were just a debate on its face between if neither of them were presidential aspirts or any of that,

I think it would have been totally different. But DeSantis has to both manage his presidential campaign of trying to differ himself from Trump and all that, and Newsom then can use the polling position to constantly undercut DeSantis by borrowing and we're going to show you this in a little bit, borrowing talking points from the Trump campaign to hit DeSantis, which was very effective to parry him from

a lot of these. Overall, that's what I thought his best political strength throughout the entire night.

Anything they would hit him with, like they hit him with crime stats that you look at and you're like, I don't know how he's going to handle this one. But he was ready for it. He was like, all right, let's focus in on these cities. Let's focus in on the murder rate and how you have a worse murder rate than we do. Let's talk about Parkland and use that very emotional event to Land blows as well. I

mean partly the topic choice was very predictable. You know, we're going to talk about homelesses, we're going to talk about crime, We're going to talk about like cost of living and taxes. So he was able to be extremely prepared.

He's a talented guy. One thing that hit for me in watching it is the fact that a lot of the younger politicians like Beato and Corey Booker and Pete Boodagig, they've modeled their speaking style after Obama in a way that I don't think really works for anyone, but Obama Newsome being a little bit older, he actually seems like he models the cadence of Bill Clinton, good point, which I think is more of a sort of like universally effective speaking style. In any case, you're not going to

knock that guy off of his game. He's much more comfortable on camera. That much is really clear. But maybe this will be a surprise for people. I thought DeSantis did fine. I think conservatives probably liked what he had to say. I saw a lot of takes that were like, I don't know why DeSantis even agreed to this, but I do. This guy's down in the polls. He's got nothing to lose. He needs attention, he needs some kind

of something around his campaign. And so, in a weird way, if you're going to talk about winners and losers, I actually kind of thought they both won because DeSantis just needs attention and to prove he's up to the challenge and can own a lib when he needs to. And for Newsome, obviously, all he wants is to remain relevant through this period when Biden is the nominee and be able to keep himself in the conversation until next time around. And I'm sure you impressed a lot of people too

in terms of his debating skills. So I actually thought this event kind of served them both pretty well.

their individual basis, unsurprisingly to their strength. And actually I think did a good job that said. If we're looking at it from an electoral perspective, one of the ways that again Newsome was constantly able to get under Desanta's skin was to use the Trump criticism against him, especially on COVID. And that's what we're about to show you

here where DeSantis consistently made COVID lockdown school policy. I think it's a great effect to be able to hit new some but Newsom, in his showing again his political skill, it hits back and he was like, no, you were a lockdown governor, you were a mask. In September, so let's take a listen to some of that.

you were promoting vaccines. You were promoting vaccines. You even wore a mask in September. It's if it's okay with you, we'll do Why do we do this in a way where we both can have Why were you so long you bore outside September twenty twenty. He did all of that is until he decided to fall prey to the fringe of his party. And as a consequence of that, Ron tens of thousands of people lost their lives. True, the equivalent if I've had to your policies, the equivalent

of ten nine to elevens. Tens of thousands of people lost their lives and for.

possible parry on all of that. So from that perspective again with Newsom, I thought that his single best ability was to take uncomfortable moments and to either take control of the debate, laugh at Sean Hannity, immediately start questioning DeSantis himself and just ignore the criticismspect he never looked ruffle. And this is where I want to come back to this. Newsom loves the game. He is a politician who is comfortable in his own shark skin. And that is something

you either have that or you don't. You know, budhaj Edge, the rest of them, they all look a little bit under the lights, not ready for primetime at a certain point. You know, Newsom's been in the game for twenty years, and more importantly, he just loves it. And you can't take away that smile for somebody who loves to be in the middle of the arena. Also the fact that he was against not only DeSantis but on Hannity and came with structure such a structural disadvantage and still came

away relatively unscathed. From a optics point of view, that's really good. But I have to come back to this. I thought it was good for DeSantis net neet. He got some good U he got some good some clips.

face like, let's not even talk about his face. Every time the camera's on him. It's awkward. He doesn't know what to do with it, right, It is a thing. And Newsom's up there looking supremely confident taking over as moderator at times. You know, in terms of doing the like traditional politician thing, you're not going to find someone much better than Gavin Newsom. So so in any case, you know, I think it's served both of their interests pretty well. But you know, Desanti's had some some decent

moments in Sager. You flagged this one which was hearkens back to what has been the biggest critique of the Newsom administration and helped to launch that recall campaign against him, which he ended up defeating pretty easily, but did gain some traction there on the ground was that he had a different set of rules for himself and his conduct during the pandemic versus all of the you know, all of the underclass and all of the rules that were

applied to them. Desant has hit him pretty effectively on that. Let's take a listen, they.

not creating a good business environment. And you know, when I have people that come to Florida, they tell me, you know, you guys actually want us to succeed in Florida, and they feel like when they're in California, they don't want business to succeeding in the Tampa Bay Rays. Well, actually, yeah, I think that's an interesting point with Disney, because I had Disney opened during COVID and we made him a fortune and we saved a lot of jobs. You had

Disney closed inexplicably for over a year. You were not following science. You were a lockdown governor. You did a lot of damage to your people. You had more kids locked out of school for a longer period of time in California than anywhere else in the country. It was the working class kids, it was the middle income kids. His kids were in private school. They were in class. The teachers union. He is owned by the teachers union. You will never cross the teachers.

we're getting more Florida residents. I don't know what you talk you're talking about and then the average person is like, I don't know.

the Newsom approach was a massive failure. Especially, and this was another important moment that he would sprinkle through, was about the literacy rates Florida versus California, in school versus not in school. Florida still though dipping below unfortunately just because school closure, just even the small amount that did occur there, it was enough to cause ramifications, but it brings it back to that point. I thought, though, that DeSantis's weakest moment, and this is the one everyone keeps

his facial structure and all that. I agree it's not good, but that's ever present. I thought his weakest electoral moment was on abortion. He was DeSantis is very comfortable, school closure, COVID, culture war. I actually thought he won either or drew on every single one of those. He threw Newsom on his heels whenever it came to a lot of the culture war curriculum stuff, but he was rattle as hell

whenever it came to abortion. You could really see Newsom hit his stride during that portion of the debate.

And it just shows you the you know, the albatross around their neck where they don't know how to handle this issue, and that that showed me again Newsism's political skill where look, you know, I would like for some of these cultural issues to be more say, but the truth is it's like they're not at all as we have seen when you're put up against abortion, and he he used the knife that he had very very effectively and going after DeSantis an abortion.

adversarial questioning he sort of crumbles under. And it's one of these things that it's like, you know you're going to get that question, like you know this is going to be Maybe he didn't expect to get it from Fox News, I don't know, but he should certainly expect that he's got to have an answer for this on the campaign trill, whether it's on Fox News or elsewhere. And you could just see that Newsom much steadier on his feet there. I mean, that is a clear place

of strength for the Democratic Party at this point. But what was impressive to me about Newsom Hogun I'm not a fan of I think he's slippery. I think he's done some horrible things with regard to labor. I think he's completely beholden to the donor class in California. Anytime labor priorities come up against Hollywood or Silicon Valley, he's

back in Hollywood. He's back in Silicon Valley. So it's not like I like this guy, but you got to admire the game he was able to take even the most difficult things about crime in California, or about people leaving California, or about the tax rate in cal whatever, in front of a conservative audience and at the very least muddy the waters and do it very confidently and actually win on a number of these points in very very difficult circumstances. So I think he handled himself well.

You know, I couldn't help but be impressed. And again, DeSantis, he didn't embarrass himself. I think he did fine. I think a lot of conservatives in enjoyed what he had to say. His campaign right now, Sager, we got to

admit it's like on the ropes. I mean, not only because he's still so far down from Trump and it continues to kind of like be a wider and wider gap, but Nikki Haley just got the Coke endorsement and all of the villions that come with that, and all of the donor class sort of consolidation that comes with that, and so he's really in kind of a corner desperate

situation right now. He's got to do whatever he can to try to get some attention, try to have some moments, and try to rescue himself from a permanent political irrelevancy.

and parts of it are disgusting. Et cetera. But it's this sort of like quote unquote normal political debate that is what it felt like. It felt like kind of a throwback.