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Breaking BizDev

John Tyreman & Mark Wainwrightwww.breakingbizdev.com

What does "business development" mean, anyways? 

On Breaking BizDev, John Tyreman and Mark Wainwright break down, beat up, and redefine that nebulous term 'business development' for the modern professional services firm. 

Subscribe to this podcast to get sales and marketing advice that you can actually put into practice right away.  Whether you're an expert doer-seller, firm owner, or a dedicated sales/marketing pro, each episode will help you understand your buyers and win new business.

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Episodes

The Psychology of Familiarity: Building Trust with Mere Exposure

*Trust* is what wins new business in professional services...but your ideal clients can't trust you if they don't *like* you, and they can't like you if they don't *know* about you. On this episode of Breaking BizDev, John and Mark break down "the mere exposure effect," also referred to as the "familiarity bias" and how firms and experts can take advantage of this cognitive bias and leverage psychology in their business development strategies. This episode also features guest voices from Ryan Pa...

Jun 23, 202536 minSeason 1Ep. 54

Monthly Recurring Revenue: Predictability for You AND Your Clients

Say goodbye to feast and famine. In this episode of Breaking BizDev, John Tyreman and Mark Wainwright tackle the elusive concept of monthly recurring revenue (MRR) for professional services firms. Tired of the roller coaster of income highs and lows? We unpack why MRR isn't just for SaaS companies and how your firm can apply it to smooth out those wild fluctuations in revenue. Along the way, we discuss the sneaky benefits for both you and your clients, and provide some realistic, not-so-pie-in-t...

Jun 09, 202536 minSeason 1Ep. 53

What's Broken About BizDev in Accounting? + 2025 AAM Summit Recap

In this episode of Breaking BizDev, John and Mark dive into the complexities of business development within the accounting industry, like the steep challenges of differentiation, pricing models, and the annual scramble leading up to tax day. John shares his extensive experience with accounting firms and highlights insights gathered from the 2025 Association for Accounting Marketing (AAM) Summit Conference in Phoenix, AZ. The episode features quick interviews with sales and marketing professional...

May 26, 202541 minSeason 1Ep. 52

Your Next Proposal? It's a Trap!

Welcome back to another episode of Breaking BizDev. Join hosts John Tyreman and Mark Wainwright as they dive into why proposals often fail and what you can do to improve them. From the self-diagnosis of client's needs to the common mistakes in crafting and submitting proposals, this episode provides actionable insights and tips. Whether you're a seasoned professional or new to business development, this snarky yet insightful episode will help you navigate the fraught process of proposal creation...

May 12, 202534 minSeason 1Ep. 51

Free vs Paid Offers: Crafting an Effective Lead Generation Strategy

Lead generation is a major challenge for many professional services firms. In this episode of Breaking Biz Dev, Mark and John break down possibly the most critical element of lead generation: your offer strategy. What value are you offering? And what’s the call to action? In this episode, you’ll hear: The roles of free vs paid offers in lead generation How these offers work together in your marketing program How to measure the performance of each kind of offer Various cognitive biases that influ...

Apr 28, 202530 minSeason 1Ep. 50

3 (Really) Bad Reasons to Hire a Rainmaker

In this episode of Breaking Biz Dev, John and Mark take the Rainmaker model out to the alley for a well-deserved beatdown, highlight three (really) bad reasons to hire a rainmaker. In this episode, you’ll hear: What is a ‘Rainmaker’ anyway? Various ways firms organize their sales functions How buyers evaluate professional services firms Really bad reason #1 - you don’t know how to sell Really bad reason #2 - you need a deal closer Really bad reason #3 - you want to grow faster Read Mark’s full b...

Apr 14, 202530 minSeason 1Ep. 49

Creating a Sales Call Plan: Frameworks, Templates, and a Real-World Example

Proper planning prevents poor performance. Say that 10 times fast. In this episode, John and Mark break down the elements of an effective sales call plan, sharing insights from real-world experiences and highlighting the importance in driving better business outcomes. They walk through the crucial elements that make up an effective call plan and emphasize the significance of preparation, especially for those new to sales conversations. In this conversation, you’ll hear: The components of a sales...

Mar 31, 202535 minSeason 1Ep. 48

Shape the Future of Breaking BizDev: Share Your Feedback Today

Send us your feedback in this 3-min survey and help shape the future of Breaking BizDev. Is there a topic you want us to cover? Are there different segments or formats we should consider? What’s your preferred way to listen? Let us know! In this short bonus episode, John and Mark share some early feedback from the listener survey, and how you can participate and help steer the conversation. Take the survey as you listen to the episode. Why not? Share your feedback here: https://www.surveymonkey....

Mar 24, 20257 minSeason 1Ep. 47

Don’t Boil the Ocean: The Paradox of Focus, Specialization, and Positioning

Turn your firm into a trusted and respected leader in your niche. In this episode, John and Mark explore how firms can not only effectively differentiate against competitors, but actually how to apply that differentiation in their marketing and sales activities. In this conversation, we cover: The nuanced differences between focus, specialization, and positioning Reasons why firms should embrace specialization How to identify the right area of specialization How to align your specialization with...

Mar 17, 202532 minSeason 1Ep. 46

Looking in the Mirror: How to Be Accountable Even When You Lose

“We’re in a bad economy…” “We’re experts. We’re never wrong…” “We’re up against tough competition…” "Our point of contact was a jerk..." …but what if it’s not them? What if it’s you? In this episode, John and Mark dissect what it truly means to be accountable when you lose a prospective client. We dig into the obstacles that professionals encounter when owning up to losses and present actionable strategies to transform setbacks into stepping stones for growth. In this conversation, we cover: Why...

Mar 03, 202530 minSeason 1Ep. 45

From Solo to Enterprise: A Timelapse of Business Development Maturity

Imagine you could fast-forward your firm's growth and watch it like a time-lapse video going through different stages: Solo Small Mid-size Enterprise What needs to happen in your sales and marketing functions to achieve growth at each stage? How do sales and marketing challenges evolve? That's what this episode is all about. Listen as John and Mark guide you through this sales and marketing maturation journey, along with guest appearances from Reuben Swartz and Mel Lester . We explore topics lik...

Feb 17, 202543 minSeason 1Ep. 44

The Art of Being Ignorable: 12 Ways to SUCK at Differentiation

Discover the art of being utterly indistinguishable from your competition. In this episode, John and Mark dive into the art of blending in, unveiling the tongue-in-cheek strategies to completely lose your edge and suck at differentiation. Listeners will learn how to avoid standing out, ensuring a legacy of mediocrity. Join us for a humorous—yet insightful—look at what not to do, ensuring you grasp the full spectrum of effective (and ineffective) differentiation strategies. Connect with Mark on L...

Feb 03, 202520 minSeason 1Ep. 43

Bad Habits of Your 'Salesperson' Alter Ego

When you think of the word ‘salesperson,’ what comes to mind? In this episode, John and Mark explore how professionals can shed ineffective sales habits and adopt a more authentic, client-centric mindset based on inquiry and curiosity. With guest insights from Mel Lester and Blair Enns, you'll learn why introspection and a shift from selling to serving can lead to more satisfying and successful client relationships. In this conversation, we cover: The pitfalls of adopting a stereotypical 'salesp...

Jan 20, 202533 minSeason 1Ep. 42

4 Things You Forgot To Do In Q4

It’s 2025… now what? Well, if you don’t know how your sales and marketing strategy will contribute to revenue in the upcoming year, John and Mark reveal the top four activities you might have overlooked as the year came to a close: Talk to your clients Optimize your client portfolio Update service packaging and pricing Create a talent management & development plan Improve your sales and marketing game this year. Subscribe today! Connect with Mark on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark...

Jan 06, 202531 minSeason 1Ep. 41

Strategic Partnerships: Working Together In Orbit

Align yourself with other consultants in-orbit around your clients to deliver more value. Strategic partnerships can transform the way your business grows, turning the equation 1 plus 1 into something much greater. In this episode, John and Mark uncover the value and opportunities hidden within strategic partnerships for professional services firms. They explore how combining resources with the right partners can enhance client services and gain a competitive edge. We also have a guest appearanc...

Dec 30, 202431 minSeason 1Ep. 40

Segment Development Plans: Win New Deals From a Slice of the Market

Win new business from accounts that share a common characteristic. This way, you can build your brand and create efficiencies. In this episode, John and Mark explore how firms can build Segment Development Plans that help firms grow relationships with prospects that represent a specific kind of client account. Combining SWOT analysis with targeted marketing efforts, business developers can use these plans to create a distinctive brand presence. In this conversation, we cover: Different ways to g...

Dec 16, 202434 minSeason 1Ep. 39

Account Development Plans: Grow Revenue From Your Best Clients

Transform the way you grow key accounts. Yes, you can achieve revenue growth and strengthen client relationships by developing comprehensive account development plans. In this episode, John and Mark share how to co-create effective account development plans with your clients. In this conversation, we answer key questions like: Why is it important to expand business with organizations you’re familiar with? How do you start building an account development plan? How do you prioritize clients for ac...

Dec 09, 202439 minSeason 1Ep. 38

Storytelling Frameworks for Marketing and Sales

Emotion drives purchase decisions more in B2B than B2C. Let that sink in. Yes, even when selecting professional service providers, emotion plays a major factor in decision-making. The relationships we forge and the stories we tell influence opportunities, contracts, and the clients we work with. In this episode, John and Mark delve into proven storytelling frameworks that can help professional services firms set themselves apart and connect on a deeper emotional level with clients. Joined by gue...

Nov 25, 202425 minSeason 1Ep. 37

Inbound + Outbound = New Business

Unlock the full potential of your firm's ability to *create* new business by mastering both inbound and outbound revenue generation activities. In this episode, John and Mark explore the synergy between inbound and outbound business development activities and how they can work together to produce exceptional outcomes. They discuss the importance of both approaches, how firms can effectively harness these strategies, and the potential pitfalls when they're misaligned. In this conversation, we cov...

Nov 11, 202428 minSeason 1Ep. 36

The Mindset Shift: Avoiding Sales Stereotypes in Professional Services

Coffee isn’t just for closers. Buyers can smell your commission breath. Good salespeople don’t have all the answers. In this episode, John and Mark bring on voices from other sales and marketing experts in the professional services realm. Featuring clips from Blair Enns , David C. Baker , Jason Mlicki and Jeff McKay , this episode explores the importance of mindset in developing new business: The significance of habit-building and mastery of both marketing and sales Why it’s important to maintai...

Oct 28, 202433 minSeason 1Ep. 35

Why Don't Firms Believe in Lead Generation?

Believe it or not, lead generation can actually work. Even for accounting, AEC, or consulting firms. In this episode, John and Mark break down the importance of lead generation, exploring why firms need to take it seriously beyond just waiting for RFPs. They highlight various lead sources, compare inbound and outbound strategies, and discuss effective multi-channel approaches. In this conversation, you’ll learn: How we define a “lead” in the context of a professional services firm Why many exper...

Oct 14, 202432 minSeason 1Ep. 34

BONUS: Go Behind the Scenes of Breaking BizDev

Get a behind-the-scenes look at Breaking BizDev. In this episode, John and Mark pull back the curtain on the production process, the technology they utilize, and how they're building listener engagement. From their first episode to their vision for the future, you'll hear what has worked, what hasn't, and their plans moving forward. 0:00 Intro 1:50 Origin story 10:40 Listener shout outs 13:47 Top 3 episodes 21:24 Experiment recap 27:15 Future possibilities Connect with Mark on LinkedIn: https://...

Oct 07, 202436 minSeason 1Ep. 33

Succession Planning: What's the Role of Sales and Marketing?

Leadership transition is a major brand milestone and a cultural crossroads. So what role does sales and marketing play? In this episode, John and Mark explore how sales and marketing both support succession planning and leadership transition. In this conversation, you'll learn: Why it's important to expose young team members to sales and marketing early in their careers How practice, failure, and learning play a pivotal role in developing the next generation's sales acumen and business skills. T...

Sep 30, 202425 minSeason 1Ep. 32

Mastering BizDev in Your Career: From Junior Practitioner to Managing Partner

The role you play in developing new business changes as you grow throughout your career. Whether you're a junior practitioner, mid-career professional, or seasoned industry veteran, this episode is for you. John and Mark explore how firm employees—regardless of tenure—can (and should) contribute to developing new business. In this conversation, we cover: The importance of research and being exposed to BD processes early in professionals' career Building peer-level relationships within client org...

Sep 16, 202431 minSeason 1Ep. 31

Part 3. Contract Revenue Like a Pro

Mitigate risk and navigate the contracting phase effortlessly In Part 3 of this deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, John and Mark break down what happens between a verbal agreement and a signed contract. They look at the emotional and practical aspects of risk in decision-making processes, how both clients and consultants can manage and mitigate uncertainties, and how to handle other parties like legal and finance in the contracting phase. In this conversation, you'll l...

Sep 06, 202439 minSeason 1Ep. 30

Part 2. Choreograph Your Sales Activities

Make your sales process look effortless and feel frictionless. In Part 2 of their deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, Mark and John explore the importance of deliberate and structured interactions with buyers, like how mirroring and reflecting can establish trust, and how seeking permission at each step ensures both parties are aligned. In this conversation, you'll learn: The four essential stages of the sales process: qualification, discovery, recommendations, and nego...

Sep 05, 202450 minSeason 1Ep. 29

Part 1. Create New Business You Actually Want to Win

Yes, it is possible to get off the RFP hamster wheel. In Part 1 of their deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, John and Mark uncover the secrets behind creating the firm you want by breaking down different market segments, leveraging your network, and the power of proactive opportunity creation. In this conversation, you'll learn: The "iceberg" concept, which reveals a majority of potential clients are in the passive and status quo groups, offering hidden opportunities. H...

Sep 04, 202437 minSeason 1Ep. 28

Create, Choreograph, Contract: A Business Development Framework

Is your BD process disorganized? Disjointed? Nonexistent? Consider using this 3-part framework to get your sales back on track. In this episode, Mark introduces his three-part business development framework, "Create, Choreograph, Contract", aimed to help doer-sellers and dedicated business developers create a cyclical process for winning new business. In this conversation, you'll learn: An overview of "Create, Choreograph, Contract" Why firms should consider creating their own new business The e...

Sep 03, 202434 minSeason 1Ep. 27

6 Sales Competencies for Professionals

If you're an engineer, architect, advisor, or consultant, chances are at some point in your career you'll need to learn how to develop new business. On this episode, Mark explains how experts and firms can create a "sales competency matrix" that helps firms identify and then build competence in specific areas. He does this by mapping 6 sales competencies across 5 levels of master: 6 Sales Competencies: Behaviors and Mindset The Sales Process Sales Planning Practice, Industry, and Client Knowledg...

Aug 19, 202438 minSeason 1Ep. 26

From Research to Revenue: How to Apply Your Ideal Client Profile (ICP)

Understand your buyers. Win more business. That's what an Ideal Client Profile (ICP) helps you do. In today's episode, John and Mark explore why understanding your ideal client profile is essential for aligning your sales and marketing efforts, and offer examples of how to apply your ideal client profile (ICP) in business development activities. On this episode, we'll explore: 00:00 What is an ideal client profile? 04:57 The four quadrants of an ICP 08:20 Sources of primary data 12:18 Different ...

Aug 05, 202423 minSeason 1Ep. 25
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