Well, welcome back to Hot Mike. You were the first guest on this show and feels like forever ago, not that long ago at this point. How long ago was that? I think it wasn't early last year. I think it might have been like late. 2023, I want to say. Is that what it was? Late 2023? Like two years ago? Yeah. Oh, no.
Well, like a year and a half, I want to say, or something, or like 15 months or something. By the way, that feels like 10 years ago. Well, that's kind of what I was thinking about this morning, because there's always so much to talk about, but I think the thing... that's been hard for you is just the amount of change in your life because your life for the most part has been so stable. Yes.
That has been the hardest part, to always feel like you have such stability and your life feels and looks very mapped out to you. And then all of a sudden, you know. that all changes and you have no idea where it's going and what is happening next. And I think the other thing too is there's a lot of really positive things which we'll talk about and it's great to see.
that Alexi is getting married, and that's really exciting. And in so many ways, you're doing really well. Your career is great. So you're doing a lot of producing, and I love seeing that for you. But on the other side of things, it doesn't look the way that you might have. have thought that it would have a couple years ago. And I think it really started with your friend's death. I mean, and that sort of...
I think changed your world and sort of rocked you to your core. It definitely started there. And I actually had a conversation with Mo not that long ago. And we were talking about, you know, what happened with us and, you know, what got us here. And, you know, of course there were underlying things there, but I said, you know. When Laureen took her life May 1st, my whole world changed. And then right after that, the stuff with Mo, and then I think he was kind of thinking, wait a minute.
He said, what month was that again? And we're looking at our problems. And I just started looking at things very differently. But then it was just like one thing after the next. It was my marriage. unfolding, I don't know if that's the right word, but crumbling. I lost another one to suicide that I didn't talk about. I mean, people close to me know.
And then it was just like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I don't recognize this life, this place that I'm in at all. I felt like I was, you know. looking at somebody else's life. This is not the way it's supposed to be. This is not how I saw my life on, you know, playing out. Yeah, no, I mean, it was a procession of things and in some ways has continued to be.
And I think everyone around you felt terribly about it. And you're also someone who is like such a caretaker of everyone else and sort of continue to be. And so I know it's also not easy for you to be. on the other side of that? And how do you think that it's changed you? Oh, my gosh. So many ways. So many ways. I just look at everything so differently now.
I've learned that I'm not someone who asks for help, like you said. And I think because I've been a mom since I'm 19, you're always taking care of somebody else. But I have had to learn to... say I'm not okay right now and I need a little help, which felt very foreign to me and it actually took a while for me to even get there. I'm still working on that. It's also taught me that I'm...
a lot stronger than I realized I was. Even though I saw myself crumbling during these times often, I'm still okay. And I made it through, you know, some times that I actually thought, how am I going to get through this? I don't know if I can get through this. It's taught me that my daughters are just the most incredible people.
They continue to make me so proud every day. And when I see them and how they've handled all this and how they have allowed me to lean on them just makes me not only so proud of them, but I think, wow, you know. Maybe we really did do a good job with them. So that makes me feel good too. Well, you did. And to your point about being comfortable enough and secure enough to be supported by other people, I know that it did take a bit for you to feel okay actually. going to your daughters for help.
and realizing that that's what they want to give you. And, you know, that is really what family is there for. And so you can see sort of, you know, how strong that foundation is. And even extending beyond that with Moe.
as well and um so obviously you know we'll sort of talk about you know what the latest is with you guys where things stand but you guys you know throughout all of it even at the the worst of sort of the disillusion of things still have the the core of a loving relationship intact that raised those girls Yes, and I do believe that is why, you know, we have such a close family and the way...
that they've handled this really does speak to, you know, how much love Mo and I do have for each other, and they were raised in that environment. And that, you know, shines through to me. So you recently went with the family to Aspen over the holidays. What was it like to all spend time together? You know, a lot of it, like, you wouldn't know anything had changed. Yeah.
You know, the only difference was he went there ahead of time and that there were, you know, pictures on TMZ that we all had to see before we got there. But other than that, once we were there. It was like, you know, cooking at home and playing games, karaoke. Sometimes we'd all go out together, the family. Sometimes I would just go with the girls. But...
It was pretty much like no different, honestly. So not awkward? No. I mean, there were a couple times where I was like, okay. I mean, we sleep in different bedrooms now. And... you know waking up in the morning like having coffee you know we're always the first ones up so we would talk you know and sometimes it was a little bit like oh there's so much to talk about but
I don't really want to talk about that right now. Yeah. And I think he didn't either. So a lot of times it did feel a little bit like, okay, there's this like, you know, for lack of a better word, elephant in the room that we're not discussing. But.
Which is probably what got us in this position in the first place, not communicating enough. But other than that, no. It's like, oh, let's go skiing. We skied together. But it's kind of interesting because... as much as yeah like there would be you know something constructive about talking about all that stuff on the other hand
you sort of don't want to ruin the family time. And if you guys were to talk about that, it wouldn't be a vacation. It wouldn't be the family together. It feels like there's a different forum for you guys to have those conversations. Exactly. And, you know, I don't think that we – that's the problem. We don't, you know, say we should do this another time. Or we do, but then we don't end up doing it. So, yes, of course I don't want to do that when the family is there and, you know.
We're all having fun. The kids will make jokes sometimes. Everyone's gotten to that place. I am in a much better place than I was last year. My gosh. I was in a terrible place last year. But... You seem sturdier than I think you were. I certainly hope so. I mean, I don't know how much worse it could have been. I mean, it could have been, obviously. Yeah, no, but it just seems like...
you know, the only way through it is to just keep going. And do you think, kind of zooming out for a second, when Mo and PK were here, On Hot Mike, we talked a lot about the impact that the show has on marriages. Just said, you know, like, look, we had a great marriage, but, you know, what happened to us and us going in different directions was totally unrelated to being, you know, on television in the public eye, all of it. What do you think?
I agree with Mo for us. Yeah. Every situation, every marriage is different. For us, it had nothing to do with the show. You know, we did the show together for many years. We were fine through it. I was very happily married. And we were... The show did not affect us in that way at all. He was very supportive of me. And I was able to lean on him during difficult times during the show.
What I do think is that money and the attention that comes with fame and all that does affect a marriage. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, it... I think everything affects a marriage. And so I think, you know, and those are big inputs. Once your life becomes bigger and more complicated, I would imagine it would. Well, but I mean... you know, so many say the reality show occurs. Yeah.
It definitely was not that. And I've always said people who do come into the show with cracks in their marriage and they think this show is going to be my out. It's going to give me something of my own. I'll have my own income. It'll give me something to do. those are the marriages that crack under pressure of reality television yeah um i you know when i felt pressured you know i had him to lean on so but you know as
The agency grew. Remember, we started out with nothing. I had three kids in a two-bedroom apartment. those are some of the best times of my life. You know, and I always said, you know, if we don't have any money, it's fine. We don't need to live here. I don't want to live in L.A. with no money, but, you know, let's go somewhere. Let's go to Vail, you know. But...
With that comes, you know, it opens up a whole other world. You know, you're traveling, you're going places, you know, he's getting attention that he didn't get before. There's more. People looking at him all of a sudden, you know. he's a rich man and people are, you know, it's a very different situation. I think even looking and seeing him as a great husband, a great dad is appealing to some of these women out there that don't care if someone's married and just having that, I think.
thrown in your face all the time um and of course me being busy and traveling and you know I think all of that just did not help yeah I mean I think It's almost like you looked up and then realized how much had changed because it had changed over a period of time. you guys were still so busy together making the life that you had together and raising the girls. And then at a certain point, it just seemed like you were in different places in life. Yeah. No, I mean, when we were first married...
You know, we didn't do girls night out or guys night out, anything like that. And partially because I was so scared of losing what we had. Yeah. Honestly, it was just a fear of mine.
holding on too tight because I was so afraid something would ruin and take away what I loved so much and what I had built. But then, you know, it's like... you know, I'm looking all of a sudden, it's like, I'm traveling, you know, I'm shooting the show, I'm traveling, you know, he's going on, you know, work trips, guys trips, and, yeah, next thing you know, you're like, wait, what happened to...
the things that we used to live by before and it's just everything's different now the agency grew yeah you know my career grew his career grew but you know it also was We would go to work events for him, and there would be a lot of fans from the show, and it would be harder to go to those events. And so I would often say, he would say to me, well...
Do you want to come to this event? I'd love you to be there. You're just going to be taking pictures all night. Just know that or something like that. So then I wouldn't go. So there were like little things like that, you know, and. Like they add up. Yeah, and like he had a trip to go on, and I'm like, well, I'm going to be filming, so one of us has to be here with, you know, the girls. So I'll stay, and then you go. And, you know, just not making.
our marriage a priority. Because there were so many things going on. This has been a tough season for you on the show. And when you were filming it, by and large... You had a tough time, and I know your hope going into it was that it would be easier than it was the season before, and it was in the sense that...
you know, you're in a different place with your marriage and you're a little bit further along and it's a little bit more clear to you that, you know, the road ahead will look different than the road behind it. But it still was tough for you. Where does this sort of place in all the seasons you've done the show, and why do you think that it was so particularly difficult? Well, it places, for me, anxiety-wise, Maybe the end of season one. That bad? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Season five. And season, was it?
10? There was parts of season 10 that had bothered. You see, when you've done the show for 14 seasons, you have rankings and you have choices. Yeah, well, I'm going to just say one in five because while season, was it 12? 12. Mm-hmm. No, 13, sorry. Season 13. Season 13 was, yeah. Season 13. Well, that was a difficult time for me because that's when the stuff with Mo, I mean, it was just starting. And...
People thought I was hiding it. We didn't really know where things were going. Right. And I'm in a much better place with him now than I was then. I was also, I had still not processed. Laureen taking her life. I worked with NAMI but I originally had reached out to another organization and I was going to do this event and they said to me we can't do this with you because you have not processed. Oh, it's death yet. And I was like, what do you mean? And it all came later. So last year.
is when even though things were better with Mo and me, the realization that I don't think we're going to be together was very painful and him moving out was so strange when you've lived with somebody more than half your life. And I think all of a sudden, you know, Lorene's death hit me. It's like it all was just coming at me at once. And I think I told you this, but I went through this.
really weird thing where, you know, this is going to sound weird for a second, but I'm very, very ticklish, like crazy ticklish. Like if you tickle me, I will get violent. I lose my marbles. All of a sudden, I wasn't ticklish. And I was like, what's going on? And I was getting a facial. I was like, that's so weird. I could never go back here before. And I said, do that again. I felt nothing.
So then I was like, well, that's weird. So then I had one of my girls, I'm like, will you tickle my feet? I felt nothing. And I realized I had just something in my brain to shut off. I was feeling nothing. And it was like the stuff talking about Mo and me not being together or Lorene taking her life, it was so painful to think about that I just, something in my brain allowed me to shut that part off. Just to survive.
Yes. And then last year it was like it all came alive in me. And all of a sudden I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. I can't. This has really happened. This is not, you know, it felt so surreal. Yeah. But then all of a sudden it was very real to me. And so going into the season, I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm very vulnerable right now. And, you know, I knew I was already kind of going in with my hands behind my back a little bit because I had to tell the women there were certain things that.
You know, I couldn't talk about, and I was hoping they were going to give me a little grace because I am very open, and I'm happy to share about myself. In fact, I find it to be therapeutic.
But there's certain things that, you know, either my kids didn't want me to say or, you know, and you have to be a little, like, at the end of the day, you know, I have to think about that stuff, too. And I think there's a difference between... not being honest and not being able to talk about something right and sometimes I don't think that that difference is appreciated because there might be certain things that usually for the consideration of other people
you do not want to talk about and that's different from saying things that just aren't true exactly and I think that with with the audience and you know with the ladies too sometimes it can be they just kind of are mixed together and there's just seen as, you know, not being honest. Or it's hard because...
You are, in a lot of ways, you've been, just in general, you're the juxtaposition of different qualities. And so you've always been, you know, a super fun person, but also, on the other hand, really introspective, you know? And so, and I almost think that... the extroverted side of you isn't
active right now and where you know usually it would be and you'd be really fun and you'd be like okay but now I'm not going out for a week you know and and now you're so introspective and so on your own and I think that probably was also hard to do the show this season, because it probably was hard to get up, get dressed, be in the middle of all of this. It probably took a lot of energy. I mean, I don't know. I feel like I've been doing this a long time, almost 15 years.
We've known each other 15 years now. And I feel like, you know, for as long as I've been doing this show, what you see me say to the girls on camera is reflected in my interviews. or confessionals, as some people like to call them, and what I would say off-camera as well. And I have found where I'm not seeing that as much as some of the newer people.
kind of feel like, wow, I really did go into this thinking, okay, these are my friends, and I'm going to have, they know that I'm going through this, and I'm going to have some support, I think. And then when you're let down and you're already feeling so down, it's that much more devastating. I'm sorry to use such a dramatic word, but it felt like that to me at times. Oh, that's how it hit you. Yeah.
So talking about the season a little bit more, and we're sort of intentionally staying away from too much of it because the reunion is in a few weeks, and so we're trying not to prevent that, but it's hard. He just gave me like the... Sunday scaries before the reunion. Get ready. But it's hard to completely avoid talking about it because it informs kind of your state of mind right now and what you're going through in life.
You felt like, you've told me, that this season you really didn't have anyone to lean on. And you really felt alone. Tell me about that. Like, you know... Episode one, shooting right away, I wanted to talk with all the women right away. I wanted to share with Garcelle and Sutton, which we saw in that scene at Sutton's party.
kind of where I was at and I wanted to open up especially with Garcelle because I really like her, and I know there's so much more there, and I was trying to get to that place of where we can share, and I want to get to the next level with her. And then with Dorit, I wanted to tackle things right away and try to get past it. Try to move on. Yeah. But I found that – so I actually thought I was going to have support, which is what made it so much harder.
And, you know, like Bose's Spa Day, which I have not seen. I know that airs tonight. I haven't seen it. And I'm just not watching because of my anxiety. And my friend watched it and then said, don't watch. It's just going to make you feel bad. So then I was like, that may be a worse anxiety. Like, thanks. But in that moment especially because I thought, well, at least I have my friends. And I got there and I was like.
I really did feel, and I hate to overuse this word, but I really felt ambushed every time I went to go shoot. It was like Dorit's party. It was the Viper Room. It was like every single time. And I'm thinking... We're all here to show our lives. Why do I have to feel like this every time? You guys know that I'm struggling. And I know Dorit was also going through a hard time. Her situation was newer. But Moa just moved out and Alexia just moved out.
Like I said, I think everything that I've been, you know, holding on to for the last year and a half just, you know, all of a sudden was coming to the forefront for me. So I was just really let down. And I was like, I just don't feel like I can. trust anyone right now and that made it so much harder to shoot and I was really grateful for Erica that day especially I mean Garcelle and Sutton were being so sweet with me and so supportive when we would talk and then
We would shoot, and now I'm seeing things in interviews, and I'm like, this is not matching up. I know I've been doing this a long time, and I should know better, but it hurts me. That was the first time in 14 years that you've walked off. A friend of mine watched tonight's episode, and they were telling me Sutton's reaction to me walking out.
and that she was really upset that I had walked off. And I thought, you have to be kidding me. I have been on this show for 14 years, and that is the first time I have ever walked off. First time. How many times has she walked off? How many seasons has she been on? And this woman has walked off so many times. I'm like, she walked out of Magic Mike. She walked up, you know, the ugly leather pants. She stormed out with the dinner at Kathy's house with Erica. I'm like.
what gives you the right to do that? And, and only that, like, we were in such a great place and you're telling me that you want to be a better friend of me this season and you were sorry and I accepted it and that you love me and that, you know, you're going to be a better friend moving forward. I'm like, that's what you got mad that I walked off? Like...
It just didn't even make sense to me. And I'm thinking to myself, you and Dorit don't even like each other. I don't understand any of this right now. Where do you think that comes from? Sutton can be dramatic. And I don't know. Maybe she wanted to. make a moment there for herself. One thing I do want to talk about which is specific to this season because it's a point that we've talked about in conversation.
and that was sort of made on the show, but you wanted to make more clear, which is that you texted both PK and Dorit upon their separation. That is why I have not been able to watch right there. Well, that's one of the reasons, but that's one of the main things that's made me really crazy. So, you know, I've made a lot of mistakes over the years, but I'm honest, you know, and I know I had...
No bad intentions at all, obviously with PK. I mean, even saying that sounds so stupid to me. But when I was saying, you know, our relationship is mainly sending each other memes, I mean that. Like, I mean, you're friends with PK. Do you not just get inundated with memes? by him yeah exactly so and i have a few friends husbands that will send me funny things like that that they know that i think is funny um
Do I have some texts on my phone from over the 10 years with our friends? Of course. I mean, stupid things. Like, are you guys making it to Vegas? Like, you know, whatever. So when I said, when I read that text, it was. The text I sent PK when their separation was announced, when they put it on their Instagram, I also texted Dorit. And everybody knows that. I texted both of them. So here I'm watching the show.
And I'm seeing them saying, wait a minute, Kyle said it was only memes, so this is a lie. I told you all I texted PK. That's what I think is the right thing to do. And I texted Dorit, which is the right thing to do. And the funny thing is, is not one of them is talking about. or acknowledging that I also texted Dorit, a text of support, and letting her know I was there for her. And it makes, it just, honestly, to watch that is so incredibly frustrating. I actually, you know, obviously.
You're the executive producer here. You know that not everything we shot gets used. But I shot something with Erica, and Erica shared with me that none of the women had reached out to Dorit. None of them. And I said, I feel so bad about that. I said, I texted both Pique and Dorit, and I'm holding on to this, and I'm ready to send, but I'm scared that she's going to think I'm manipulating her.
like she said last time. Right, based on the reunion. Based on the reunion, what she said, reading my text out loud. But I don't care. I'm going to send it to her anyway because I feel terrible. No one's reached out to her. And at the end of the day, I have to live with myself. So I sent the text. So instead of them...
being the ones in the wrong for not reaching out to Dorit and not sending a text of support. I'm the asshole because I texted PK, but they're not saying that I texted Dorit too. Do you understand how frustrating that is for me? I mean, and then I just look, I'm like, I can't even look at any of you right now. Well, I think that's why you just lost it, because I think you were at the point where...
you felt very attacked and you're like, I can't get together with you guys time after time and have you give me just the absolute, you know, worst read on everything that had happened. What am I doing? Well, I think it's also a way, part of that is them just not wanting to talk about their own lives. I mean, if they're talking about this problem with Dorit and me, they don't have to talk about themselves, do they?
So that is the only thing I can think of. I expected Dorit to come into the season hot. I knew she was going to be coming for me. Everyone said that to me. I knew that. But I didn't expect the other people. You know, when I say other people, honestly, it's just really Sutton and Garcelle because we had had such great conversations and I felt I did feel supported by them. So that's why I was like, why are you running back and saying these things, trying to create a problem?
And why is no one saying none of these women texted Dorit? That wasn't very supportive. No, it's Kyle again. And that's why I was like, I've had it. I have had it. I just can't. I mean. They're looking for things to try to make me look bad. I mean, this is not my first rodeo. And I know who I am. And I know I had only good intentions texting Dorit and PK.
And obviously I had also said to the women over and over again, listen, if she had a problem with me sending memes with PK, I wouldn't. But we weren't even speaking. Dorit and I didn't speak at all. And she said, well, I don't know why you didn't say anything to me. We weren't speaking.
We hadn't spoken for I don't know how many months and months and months. So it would be a weird thing to be like, hey, by the way, I know we haven't spoken, but do you care if PK sent me some memes? Now you can block me again or whatever. Yeah, so I just... That's the really frustrating part of reality television. And, you know, I do obviously still have fun doing the show. And, you know, I don't want...
that to get lost in all of this. I wouldn't be here this many years if we didn't also have fun. And I just want to get back to that. I so badly did this season too. I needed that. I needed the fun. I needed the distraction. An escape. Yeah. you know, here's the million-dollar question, and you have to answer right now, and I'm going to hold you to your answer.
If you do next season of the show, you will be the longest tenured housewife in the history of the franchise because other people have gotten to 14 years, including Teresa from New Jersey. No one has gotten to 15 years, much less 15 consecutively. How could you possibly not? How could I pass that up, Alex? Your 15th season. How could I pass that up? You're a record setter. I'm not going to lie. I mean, I do like to break a record.
No, I'm not going to lie. I saw someone posted something like that on Instagram, and I saw that, and I didn't even know that. And I was like, oh, well, obviously I would want to see that. you know, and just be able to, I don't know. And I don't even know the why of that because I've asked myself, why? Why, Kyle? If you're being tortured, why would you do that? But, I mean, if I could be there and...
have fun again. And of course, there's always going to be drama. I know that. I think it is an achievement. I think it is a testament to how much you've put into this and how much you've been through. You're such a professional, so to do it day after day and to set a really good example. And we joke about, you know, what that really means and it's not a real job and all of that stuff.
That's true on the one hand, but I also do think that it's an achievement to do it for that long. How is it not on one hand? Well, because I think it's... It's silly, but at the same time, it's showing up every day and doing it and going through it is a real thing. It's very time-consuming doing this. That's hard. Yeah. I mean, it is a year round job. Yeah. I mean, I say, you know, you're filming our lives, but.
it's year round, even though we're filming, really film like six months and then the interviews and stuff, right? How many months? Fewer than that. Until like, up until the reunion and then we have like a month downtime. But yeah, it is, it is. It's a lot in opening your life to people to judge, and especially in moments like this season.
where I want to scream from a mountaintop, I texted both PK and Dorit. Why are none of them saying that? And why is no one saying that these women did not reach out to Dorit? Like, I just, you know, and then I think, okay, okay. Take a breath. You can do this. You can hang in there. Well, at least it seems like your relationship with Kathy is really strong. So that has to help. Yes. No, it does help for sure.
Actually, I was on the phone with her for like an hour yesterday, as sisters can do. But, yeah, that definitely helps. And having someone like Erica, you know. because she has never, ever given me a reason not to trust her. Yeah. And, you know, I am someone who forgives and forgets, as you know, Alex. But... There's some people that just repeatedly test you and you think, okay, well, you've given me many reasons not to trust you. I will forgive you and I will move on.
You continuously give me reasons not to trust you. So having someone like Erica there, who's actually never once done that, we're put in very difficult situations. And, you know, which is why, you know... I appreciate Erica so much, and Teddy too. Teddy never did that to me. Talk about a marriage curse, the friendship curse in reality television. Now that is a real problem.
No, that's what it is. Well, so speaking of Teddy, I wanted to stop the truth. So tell me, so you're supporting her now? Oh, I thought you were saying, like, I share custody. You share custody of Teddy? Yeah. Well, you kind of do. Yeah. tell me about that I have shared custody with Teddy Mellencamp she lives with me on Tuesdays and Wednesdays
So she has her own room at the house. And has she decorated her room? So what happened was she was having to go look for a place. And, you know, I'm walking distance to both Dorit and Teddy. And she was looking for some place. And I said, well, that, before she could find a place, she said, can I stay at your house Tuesday and Wednesday? I need to find some place. And I said, why wouldn't you just stay here? Why would you go spend the money?
I mean, I have a big house. I have a guest house. That's silly. So that's how that started. Although the other night she called me from upstairs, which is the room I stayed in when Mo and I were sleeping in different rooms. It's the divorce room. It's the divorce room. It was supposed to be like, oh, one day there's going to be babies up there. We're like, no, it's the divorce room.
has one so the other night she calls me and she goes can I come to your room I'm scared and I'm sorry to share that Teddy but she literally sounded like a little girl crying and It was the night that the winds were so scary, and the fires were starting, and I think it was just everything for her. It was her marriage, the fires, what was going on, being on edge with evacuations.
So she came down, and we literally sat there, and we could not stop laughing. I mean, people could see us in our little basically footsie pajamas. Just about the absurdity of the situation. Yes, the absurdity of the situation, and then we were dying laughing because, I mean, you know, she is like a sister to me, you know, and we were dying laughing because someone told me, you know, to try this lip flip where you put a little, like, Botox right here.
And it's just supposed to make you look up like here. So people don't want to do filler. So I was like, okay. Well, she had done it too. And we realized I went to go blow out a candle. And the air does not go this way. It goes this way. So we were like trying to blow out the candle. And we were crying, laughing. And we were trying to whistle. And I was like, whistling is not an option anymore. Now I call my dogs. I just like a horse. We were just up laughing all night.
You know, and just to have those moments when we're going through what we're going through right now is just, you know, it really is helpful. Well, I know you've always... And sorry, Teddy, about throwing you under the bus about the lip flip. You've always had a million friends, and it was always fun to go to your parties because you would have friends from different walks of life. So there would be...
you know, people from your kids' schools and their friends' parents and then people that you'd known through acting and also from growing up in LA and a great, like, collection of people. And I know that you've sort of shrunk. that core group. And so people like Teddy become even more important because you lean on the people that are close to you. Oh, absolutely. You know, I joke that my circle has gotten so small at the dot now, but you know, a lot of that isn't even like.
I have to say all of my friends across the board and Mo's friends, our friends collectively, have stood by both of us. No one has felt like, oh, I have to choose a side. So they've all really been there for me. I just...
you know, when you're struggling, you know, I'm like, I'm not good company. I'm not going to go out tonight. Plus you do start, you know, certain people, you start trusting a little less. I don't want to share as much with them or, um, I don't know. You do definitely become a little.
less trusting of people and you know you also know people in certain contexts so if there's people that you knew because you would go out to a bunch of dinners or go to events together and stuff if you're doing less of that then you know sometimes your life changes exactly but like our couple friends like when I say our most of our couple friends they will still invite us both out yeah
And there's times we go and times only one of us can go, but it's not like anybody's, you know. And I only share that because I'm very grateful for that and that Mo and I are in a place that we can have that.
And I want people to check on him and not consider us enemies where they have to exclude one or the other. I think it's amusing, not that you guys ever didn't... appreciate each other because you always did but you guys had such defined duties so there's you know things that he would do and things that you would do. You each had your domain. I need to hear more about this. Tell me more. Well, I would say, for example, it was not your domain to pay the bills. Yeah, that's true.
So, like, that's funny to me. Or to, I don't know, turn on the electronics? Let me tell you something. I mean, I have laughed at myself so many times recently because... When I did American Woman, it was a lot of it, you know, my mom's character, Alicia Silverstone playing my mom, her character.
I talked about how my mom was, like, such an old-fashioned housewife. She didn't know anything. She didn't have her own checkbook. And, you know, when she got separated, she was clueless. And I'm like, who are you to have even talked about this when you are no different? I mean.
First of all, everything's on auto pay. But, you know, he would say to me, like, you know, we have a lot of overhead. We have a lot of overhead. And I would be like, oh, that's the worst. Anyway, you know. And it's, I mean, you know, we have a lot of. daughters and tuitions and, you know, cars and, you know, we have different homes and I can't even imagine, you know.
doing that now and the reason I'm saying this because all of a sudden I'm thinking about these things because I'm thinking okay so you know we're not divorced we have not filed for divorce or anything but if it comes to that that is going to be my reality Yeah.
And all of a sudden, I am thinking about things like that. So we've been thinking about, you know, what would we do? We have talked more about that now. You know, like, what will we do? You know, would we, you know, sell the house? Would we lease the house out? Because it's such a great house. It's really hard to part with. with that beautiful property. So we said we would lease the house out was the decision we made. So I thought, okay, so when that time comes, I would go buy my own home.
And then I'm like, well, wait, what is going to, wait, what? I have to pay all these things all of a sudden? Yeah, because they were free before. They were free before. They were free before. And by the way, we worked and did everything together, but he was in charge of that. It was a very old-fashioned, traditional relationship. I cooked and did the kid stuff, and he...
You know, then I had been working these, you know, how many years now. And I've actually been working since I'm a little girl. But anyway, so I, someone said, we went to go look at a property. And my friend said, you know, you just, the water bill is going to be crazy here. It's like an acre.
And I was like, well, we're like, I think like under two acres where I'm at now. I'm like, well, what is my water bill now? I have no idea. You don't even want to know. So I asked and I was shook. I mean, when I tell you, and that's just a water bill. But now I'm so obsessed with water bills, I had to ask the people selling the house, what is their water bill? I don't know if that's a normal question or not. You're also overrun by houses and dogs.
Houses and dogs and daughters. And now I'm like, you know what? My girls, you take too long of showers. But all of a sudden I'm thinking like that. And Mo was laughing. He's like, I love how you're just so fixated on the water bill. You know, there's a lot of bills. I'm like, no, I know, but that one. really has me shook.
My dad used to tell me the same thing that he would give my brother and me shit for taking long showers. And he'd be like, I can see the meter running. Well, my mom, by the way, I was raised with a mom who would say, turn the lights off when you leave the room. And, you know, she made us.
very aware of those things. I don't know what happened once I got married that all of a sudden, I am good about turning the lights off when I leave a room. But when you start thinking about, oh my gosh, okay, so I'm looking at his house and I'm like, so my mortgage was being like, that much money? That's ridiculous. So, yeah, it's weird, you know, and all of a sudden I'm like, okay, I'm definitely going to be, I've already started thinking to be smarter, you know, because.
If it were me paying all those bills, I don't know if I'd be alive right now because it would give me so much. And I mean, you know, obviously the funny thing about that is it has been you paying it and earning money. You just weren't aware of it. Right. He just took over that. Yeah. And he would say to me.
You should sit down with me so you can go over these things. I was like, that is boring for me. I don't want to know about. I don't speak that language. First of all, it would give me anxiety. That's why I don't like to open my mail. And you're willing to do that. I do. I, hello, I carry these children. I gave birth to these children. I take them to school, pick them. I do the whole, I'm like, you know what? You do that, you know? I'm not, I don't want to be a modern family here.
One thing I think is exciting is that your career is going really well, not just on camera, but off camera. And I know that there's a bunch of projects in the world. Tell me a little bit about what you're working on. Well, one of the things is a one-hour drama thriller that I think I'll be able to announce soon, but with a big network.
and a big production company that I'm just so excited about, and they're so excited about it, which, you know, to have everyone on board and have such enthusiasm, just... It was very exciting. Another one is something that with another big network that, you know, right now we're meeting with writers. Also, but more of a dramedy.
then of course I, you know, we have a bunch of stuff in the hopper. Exactly. Well, exactly. No, that's very cool. And then I don't like that. I can't talk about all these things that, you know, you're,
You're one of these people that makes these roles when you do projects. We're not allowed to until it's announced, right? So I don't know why those roles are about. Yeah, I mean, some of it is just... not wanting to let the cat out of the bag or there's a like a protocol to it but it is really annoying because it feels like if you can't talk about it that it doesn't really exist and you're just you're dying to do it it also is so much work to get it to the point where it's ready to be
announced you're just dying to tell someone about it so very exactly i am i'm really excited very annoying but um but yeah no i think it's it's great and um you know very cool and i know that um that's what you love doing i know the the creative process Well, you know, also when you're going through a hard time too, it's like I just want to get back to A, having fun and having my head clear enough where I can be creative because that's what I like to do, like coming up with the stories. Yeah.
I like making stories and seeing them come to life. And that's what's so exciting about this. I can't wait for this. Yeah, I know. That's the exciting part of it. Because the rest of it is... A whole lot of meetings, a lot of delays, stop and go, and then it's very cool to focus on the creative and then bring it to fruition. Also have the most exciting news, which is that Alexia is getting married.
Yep, she is getting married September 6th. Wow. Yeah, in Aspen. So I'm very excited for her, and, you know, she is, I'm. The easiest going, I don't know, I guess that Portia would be probably the easiest going, but she's just like easy Alexia, but all of a sudden she has very clear and very big ideas about her wedding. I mean she is like I met with a wedding planner I've got this I've got that
And she's just like, and I want to do a big party in L.A. for the people who can't make it to Aspen. And I know I want to have the engagement dinner. And she really knows what she wants. Good. She's very clear. So I guess basically we just had to pay for it. Yeah, pretty much. That's what you're there for. Exactly. Yeah, no, that's cool. Thank you for coming by today.
It was good to talk to you, and I'm glad that you got those flyaways handled. Thanks for the candle and the Diet Coke. Well done. We do what we can around here. Thank you for acknowledging them so people don't think that I sat here not knowing I had these. No, no, no. to be completely validated. We covered the text, the flyaways. Yeah, exactly. All of it. Thank you. For more of my conversation, go to bravotv.com.