338: Everything for Everything

Brad, I'm I'm trying a new thing. Okay. We like new things here. I'm living life to its fullest. I got a great big mouse pad. I've been eating truck hibachi. Oh, hang on. This is a lot to take in. I know. There's a lot going on here. Big as the mouse pad. Uh you mean hold it up? Sure. I had to clean off the entire right side of my desk. The fact that you can hold it up on demand tells me it's not like a desk mat, it's not underneath a bunch of stuff other than a mouse.

So I still have the desk mat under the keyboard'cause I like how it kind of deadens the sound. Oh. Oh, I thought the whole point of a desk map was to be a mouse pad as well. It is, but I this bigger mouse pad is even bigger than that. It's like, I don't know, five hundred millimeters by four hundred and eighty millimeters or Nineteen point six nine inches by eighteen point nine inches in America units. All right. Basically two feet by two feet. It's big.

That's pretty big. That's okay, that's way bigger than mine. I I finally bought a I got a Steel Series mouthpad a year or two ago. Yeah. after using my very old funk pad. For about twenty years. I I loved a funk pad, but it wore out the skates too often. You had to replace your skates all the time. That was that was my concern is that the abrasiveness that the mid the mid aughts were a time. Look, p the kids do glass mouse pads now. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, I the kids are Good luck.

The kids are unhinged, the kids are border on bordering on feral at this point. Did we talk about my goofy glass mouse skates yet? Yeah, we talked about that last week. So I got the sandpaper out. I got a real fine sandpaper gr sandpaper out last weekend and I uh just Light scuffing. Much better. So the the skates you bought to speed up your mouse movement, you have now gone out of your way to slow down. Split the difference.

They were t it was too much. You know, it's like you remember the stories about game developers in the nineties buying Dodge Vipers and then immediately crashing the Dodge Vipers? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's what the these mouse skates are the dodge vipers of mouse skates. It's exactly the same thing. There's nothing wrong with a little user finesse on your product. The the this the mousepad I got is the I don't know if you've looked at the Steel Series ones, but it's the heavy version.

Okay. They make like the regular squishy cloth one, but then there's a fat version and a lot of talk about dimensionality on the Discord after last week's episode when we talked about what constitutes one dimension, two dimensions. That's true.

Et cetera. Anyway, this one's got more thickness on a different axis than you might expect. Well actually I dunno I don't know how I don't know how thick your average desk mat is. Are they all here. I've got a bunch of stuff on it, but I could just hold it up and show you. QK the one that I use is like I don't know a couple of mils. It's not wow, that is a thick boy. Can does does this play on the camera? Can you see? That's chalky.

It's a it's a thick ma it's I mean it's like an appreciable fraction of a cent like I don't know, half centimeter thickness. Of an inch probably. It's it's a thick mouse pad. I was I wasn't sure, but I I think I like it. Yeah. You've been using it for a year. You should know why. I kinda don't think about it, you know. I think that's a good sign of a sign of a good mouse p mouse pad usually. Perhaps.

I'm surprised you didn't ask me about the hibachi. I thought that's I was gonna say we get we gotta get moving here, but give me give me a tie eight ninety on the truck Ibachi. You know Benihana? Sure. You're familiar with the with the American Japanese food of the fifties? Yeah. God, is it that old? Yeah, there's a madman episode about it, them going to Benihana for the first time.

really we watched like two seasons of Mad Men and I thought it was great and then we never finished it. I really have been thinking about going back to it. But also that Totally makes sense. Like that's right in the post war occupation era of cultural cross pollination. So I'm I guess I'm not surprised.

And hey, let's take some some kind of thing that maybe is a little bit Japanese and then American it up quite a bit so people will eat it. Mm-hmm. Um uh so yeah, no, the uh the hibachi truck is down in Daily City. And it's just these two guys in a in a like a food car. Okay, I'm sorry. I thought you said for your truck, which I started to say wait you have truck. I don't have a truck.

Which I I didn't think you did, but I just was willing to go with it. But I th I assumed this was hibachi for your truck. Well I mean, look, I would get a now that you mentioned that, I A want a truck and B want hibachi for my truck. What if you just are on the road and you want to grill at a moment's notice?

I mean I so I used to have one of those little portable like a like a like a hibachi grill, like a little little guy. Mm-hmm. And then I gave it to a friend because I didn't ever use it because the charcoal's a pain in the butt. But anyway, the hibachi truck in Daily City owns, highly recommended if you're in the Bay Area. All right. It's by Wendy's. News you can use. Yeah. Welcome to Brandon Will Made a Tech Pod. I'm Will. Brad. Now we want more hibachi. At this hour? Breakfast hibachi?

I'm gonna go and tell you it's never a bad time for hibachi. The best part about the bocce truck is they give you so much food it's like two days worth of food. So you have have it one day and then the next day it's like wild card. When do you need hibachi in your life? Do you have it for lunch? Do you have it for dinner? Do you have it for breakfast? Like Yeah, listen listen, many people are talking about breakfast for dinner. Yeah. The kids all love it.

Who's talking about dinner for breakfast? Yeah, exactly like look, there's no difference between this and steak and eggs except for you put some fried rice under there and a little bit of sauce and you chuck it on the griddle, warm it up. It gets that'd be real good. What is the best dinner breakfast? Spaghetti? Like spaghetti at seven in the morning, or like maybe a beef wellington?

A beef Wellington at seven in the morning? No, thank you. I can't take that much. That's too rich for me. Uh like a slice of pizza is the classic dinner for breakfast, I think. I don't know. I don't ever do dinner for breakfast. I've never even considered this. That's right. Like I said, we're way ahead of the curve here. Wow, we're we should start a TikTok channel. We should we like this could be the new making food on your countertop thing from a few years ago that made everybody so angry. Uh.

Um uh Brad, we got w it's a corticopia of news this So new a news roundup. There's a lot of news. But we also wanted to get some like yeah, I don't know, I don't want to say offbeat, but like not This w you often we go for the big news stories, the things that we feel are important. But this time we've went for the things that we felt were interesting and cool. In this era a lot of the big stories turned out to be something of a downer.

Yeah, it's a bummer city out there, man. Everywhere you look, bummer, bummer, bummer. Hey, there's no gas. Hey, the fertilizer's out. Hey I I don't know. Those were both real things. I meant to be no bummers this week. But anyway. Hey, here are multiple examples of people who spent months in jail due to faulty facial recognition. Oh yeah, I I bummered that one right off. that pinned crimes on them that occurred in states they had never visited before.

Yeah. Yeah. Or something along those lines, like it's boy, man. Yeah, it's like bad things out there. But some things are cool. And you know what I think is cool? I'm gonna start with the just the top one on the list. Yeah, okay. Because I wrote at the top here, canary traps are cool. Yeah, I I I was familiar with this concept from my work in the game industry, but I didn't know the name for this technique.

I didn't realize that the name so this Rs Technicar so there's an Rs Technical article call uh titled In Ca Canada Canary Traps, Rings Shut and ID's Election Database League. And the TLDR is that the elections board in Alberta

In Canada apparently your the voter rolls are uh allowed to be released to certain par like political parties and stuff like that, but they're not allowed to be distributed beyond that point. And basically uh some fringe group had gotten access to a complete voter roll and because elections Alberta canary traps their voter rolls when they release them by putting a handful of fake voters in, uh unique fake voters in each

uh individual real. And and that's at the end of the day, that's what a canary trap was. I think the first encounter I had with a canary trap was in a Tom Clancy book in the eighties called Patriot Games. I think that is It's referenced in the Rs article. Yeah, isn't that the where the term came from? That's what they say. I don't I don't know that I I trust generally I trust ours on fact checking stuff. That one I'm feels a little fishy to me.

Etymology of common terms and phrases like this is like very hard to track down and a lot I I in almost every case it feels like they are way older than you think. Yeah, it's like it's like the child of uh sweet summer child thing from Game of Thrones that people got real excited about. Well that's that's that's different because that doesn't actually exist.

That never existed. Or it that came from game that came from Song of Ice and Fire slash game for yes it a hundred percent, a hundred percent did. Oh my god. We are not doing this, but it absolutely fucking did not exist prior to those books. I'm a child. People have done the work. Anyway, but

But but in this case, yes, like th this is a real term that has been around for ages. There was one that came up on a Nextlaner thing recently that we were like, Oh, that's probably from um god damn it, I can't remember what the phrase was. We were like, Ah, that's probably a few decades old. It turned out to be like mid-1800s.

Like a lot of these things have been around way dirty I think it dirty pool, maybe was the phrase that we were looking up. Yes, that's what it was. And and it turned out to be like a hundred and fifty years old. Is it about billiards or is it about sweating bullshit? Uh no, I believe it was about a um gosh, neither. It was like more of an like an abstract pool, like a pool of Oh. A a pool of candidates or something or something, yes, I I believe is I'd have to pull that back up. But anyway.

People were probably still yelling about the summer child thing, so let's move on. I I mean, look, I'm waiting I'm I'm gonna enjoy being vindicated by the comments this week. But but The point is. Canary traps, the idea is you have a big long document and you move some commas around, you do a couple of misspellings, you make a unique change or two or three in each document.

And then maybe you do that in the kind of the sweet, juiciest part of the document so that people are likely to copy and paste the the or directly quote the affected area. I think that was the revelation. I mean, this would be hard to do in a fake voter roll entry. Well, except for they just put fake voters in.

No, no, no, but what you're describing, the the nuance to this, that was the revelation to me was that at least in the context of like CIA documents that use this technique back in the day, like you said, that they I think lurid is the term they used. Yes. Like you want to seed your your fake information in places that will catch the eye or that are like you said, the juiciest to make people reference them by you know, verbatim.

Well so the thing I didn't know about uh o out of the canary traps, uh A it's cool that the canary traps are still being used. Uh B Um, I didn't realize that there was this team in at Dartmouth, I think, a few years ago, who made a tool called WeForge, W-E-F-O-R-G-E. that uses AI to sauce up the documents to canary trap them so that y it's basically just rewriting the document in a in a a fake document generally and I think their example here um

to to try to detect who the leakers are, which like sometimes detecting leakers is good, sometimes detecting leakers is bad. But I think canary trap's always kind of a cool idea. Yeah. Yep. Um I think y like you've seen like gaming companies use this in some Everybody who has secrets that they want to keep I think probably does yeah. I mean Apple, you see it within tech companies all the time. Uh this reminded me of I

Actually went and looked this up to verify that I actually believed something that was true and not something like something that was just buried in the back of my mind that I thought to be true but was actually fake, which is the printer tracking dots phenomenon. That's real.

Which is a hundred percent real. Yeah. Are there other terms for it? I found the Wikipedia page which is c entitled Printer Tracking Dots, but they also call it printer steganography or docu color tracking dots or et cetera et cetera. But it's the Should we explain what these are?

Yeah, it's the th it's the thing where uh each individual model of printer basically prints hidden information on its page that encodes I'd assume like the serial number and maybe some other information about which specific printer unit was used to print a document. Yeah, basically if you're gonna do some crimes, don't print it on a laser printer or inkjet printer'cause uh they're they're all trackable. Yeah. It was unclear to me if it has to be a color printer. Does it not?

Understanding is that everything that every printer is infected with this. Uh developed by Xerox and Canon in the mid-1980s, awareness of these tracking codes became public only in 2004. Yeah. Two thousand four, big year for surveillance. What a what a weird coincidence. And stuff. 2004, huh? Um so yeah, that's that's canary traps. I thought that was cool. Uh a couple do you wanna do you wanna go down the list? Do you want to bounce around? Let's just go down the list here.

AMD is adding HDMI two point one support to Linux. Yeah, that's a huge deal. That sounds very mundane, but that's actually a huge deal because they have been prevented from doing so by the shadowy consortium that controls HDMI. Oh boy. Like it it sounded like it was basically like an IP thing, like the yeah. The HDMI spec is proprietary and closed and not like a publicly open thing.

There's licensing attached to it, et cetera. And they didn't want their close IP being implemented in an open source fashion. So they've blocked they've been blocking AMD. I think we did we talk about this when we talked about the Steam Machine that Valve has We talked about it yeah last fall.

Yeah, like Valve has had to do some really creative workarounds to get HDMI HDMI two point one like features in the Steam Machine over over an HDMI two point oh connection, but now AMD is finally just getting legitimate support. And they they were kind of flawed workarounds. It was they were like munging chroma and stuff like that. So the the T L D R here is that this is the opening salvo of this. There's more to come.

Yeah, when it when this when this first came out it was just implementing like some base layer of the spec. And there was some concern that maybe the full feature set wouldn't come, but a an engineer working on this driver chimed in in the comments on a pharaonix article and basically said, No, we will have a full two point one implementation once it's all passed like certification.

Well and and so the things that they you didn't have with only HDMI two point oh were like high refresh rates at four K Oh yeah. It's all the it's all the good gaming stuff. Yeah, like big big uh the f the full H D the a couple some HDR stuff was accessible but some wasn't and it would impact the maximum frame rate. You lost access to stuff like um variable frame rate and some of that stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. Four K one twenty HDR like four four four four four four four four four four four four four I think is all part of HDMI is so bad at branding. It is so bad at branding. I mean... HDI two point one sounds like nothing. Like not only not only does putting a version number on your spec not communicate anything to the average person, but also two point one Sounds like a very small iteration on two point oh, right.

But in fact two point one was huge for people who play games and even the names of their cable branding, you know, like high speed, ultra high speed, like those have very specific meanings in the HDMI spec, but they sound like monster cable To the average person, they sound like, Oh, somebody's trying to upsell me on an expensive cable by calling it ultra high speed. Like it's just so bad.

I just hope that um future spec makers who are out there thinking about how they're gonna build their specs. label things with superlatives and speed and just just just use a number, man. Just say, hey, this is a a hundred megabit cable, this is a two hundred mega megabit cable, this is a ten gigabit cable. Or or son I don't I don't know what the solution is, but the HDMI answer is not it. Can I tell you the good word about USB three point two gen two by two?

Nope, nope, good nope, be quiet. Wait, wait, are you talking about the twenty gigabit one or the forty gigabit one? اشتركوا في القناة Ten or twenty, I think, actually. Uh but I think that one is twenty because it bonds two Yes, that is exactly the case. That one is twenty because it bonds two ten gigabit channels together.

Yeah, of course. Why would you not why that's perfectly crazy I mean, look, it's all bad. Display port does the same thing, it's bad. Yeah. I mean the least I th the display port at least is open if I'm not mistaken. I think that's Yeah, that's what Versus HDMI being a closed standard. Anyway, it's this is good. The biggest thing, which the average person doesn't care about, they're just gonna be happy that this is happening, but I I would love to know what changed.

Like I think probably Valve was releasing the steam machine and and they they called AMD and AMD was like, Hey, what do we have to do to make this happen? Yeah. I would assume it was some AMD making nice with the HDMI group. Yeah. I mean A of D is part of the H GMI group, I assume. So I'm sure they they have to be. It's like kinda every major like display related player in the industry, I think.

Well and it's it's it's not like in the early two thousands when this stuff s first started happening when the you know, the HDMI consortium was like we have a per we have an unbeatable DRM scheme on our discs. You know, that will per close the analog hole forever so that people can't copy their perfect DVD copies. But that stuff's been busted for years. So it's like there's no I d I don't know. It it feels weird.

Um you wanna talk about open source. This is heartwarming. And I guess they've been doing this for a while, but this might be the most notable example of it. Good job Microsoft, I guess. This is a rare good job Microsoft from us. Uh you know, this is probably like a g this is a good job people inside of Microsoft who care passionately about this subject and are actually doing some like good preservation work. It it's

Very heartwarming to me that I mean, look, the two things I care about the most in the world, computers and video games. There is there is a ton of work going on to preserve the history of those those fields now. Like you see it all the time in games with like the Video Game History Foundation and stuff like that. But this is kind of that for original MS DOS and earlier. B basically Microsoft has been open sourcing a lot of their very old Code, I guess.

DOS is and related tools, I guess you would say. Like I it's been a while. They I guess the last one I remember was when they open sourced DOS four MS DO I should say MS DOS, not just DOS. Yeah. Which was I think the oldest one that they'd released before, but this new release is even older. So it's eighty six DOS one point zero, which is pre Microsoft. Like I don't know if you know the history there. I don't know the history there.

DOS is the CPM clone that Microsoft bought and turned into MS DOS. Oh wow. So Like if you go back and look and so CPM was the I think the reigning disc operating system on like microcomputers, you know, person I mean yeah, yeah. Now we call them personal computers, but the term PC did not exist because that was a creation of IBM marketing. But CPM was the operating system that was predominant, I believe, on

Yeah. Computers it was compatible with at the time. And eighty six DOS is effectively a kind of a clone of of CPM. Well that's wild. That's the Uh you know, we watched Pirates of Silicon Valley two, three years ago on this podcast and did a podcast about it. Like if you go back and watch that, do you remember that scene where um Oh my god, why am I blanking on uh Bender voice actor Bender John DiMaggio? Yeah.

Is playing Steve Ballmer and they pull him out of the boardroom and like he talks directly to the camera and he's like, Ah, the craziest thing is we didn't even have an operating system to sell the IBM when we sold them an operating system. Do you remember that? Yeah. Eighty six DOS is the operating system. They rapidly went and acquired and hired Tim Patterson, the guy who wrote it. To to turn it into MS DOS and provide it to IBM as a as an operating system for the PC.

So this is I believe all like assembly code written for DOS before that even happened, I think. Wild. It's right. Bad. The other thing that's interesting about this is that this is from a time when source code was written down. Yeah. When the assembly language was written down and big giant like they look it looks almost like um there's a picture in this Microsoft blog post.

But it it looks almost like a like an like an old paper ledger that a that a um accountant would have used. Yes. Um and Tim Patterson donated the artifacts. Apparently they scanned and O C R the the code, um And uh it's all available on a GitHub repo now, which is pretty rad. I love looking at old code, not necessarily I mean I certainly can't read assembly to any no degree of competence, but I love looking at the comments and stuff. Like he's got a revision history in here.

Like he straight up he straight up got dates and and like February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one, version point four two thirty two byte directory entries added. Of course. And in version point six he added control C exit. changes. I it's just f it's fun to it's fun to see mm kind of contemporaneous information around stuff like this, I think.

Wait. Can we do some archaeology here and find out when the six forty K limit w hit? Was that that was probably after the that was probably no that was probably this time period'cause it was P that was a P C limitation I think, right? Yes that that's I believe that was a legacy of hardware, right? Yeah. Um wild. Yeah, that that ledger they they mentioned in here that ledger is effectively I mean, of course they would say this'cause they own GitHub, but they basically

liken that ledger to like a a physical git commit history. Yeah. You can basically go back through that thing and see all the changes he made and what was what was added when and everything. Well so it's cool that they're doing this. Um, the team of historians are uh that that were were that did this were led by Yu Feng Gao and Rich Sinni. Uh, who sl scanned located, scanned, and transcribed the stack of DOS era source code listings from Tim Patterson who had donated them. So that's really cool.

Yeah, that's neat. That that whole era is is really there's some really interesting stuff there, like CPM. Was written by Gary Kildall? Oh, I didn't know that. Your your maybe one time colleague from the computer chronicles? He was not there by the time. He had already passed, I think, by the time I was there. Oh God, of course. That's right. Yeah, I've forgotten. I so he did die quite young, but I'd forgotten how early that was. I think that was like mid 90s.

Might have been I c I don't remember, but yeah. I didn't realize that. That's wild. Yes, he r he wrote he w he was the author of CPM and like I think actually took the whole situation with what happened with Microsoft pretty hard. I can see that. That from the looks of things, you know, the the operating system that was a clone of his OS became the biggest thing in the world. Yeah, that that would be hard to that would be a challenge.

Uh but anyway, yes, he became a co host on Computer Chronicles. Anyway, old computing history is fun. Yeah. What else we got?

Uh Keychron releases CAD files for almost all of their products. This was my first encounter with this phenomenon. So they they s uh I read deeper on this after I posted this last night, but uh it seems like their goal is to post everything. Like they're gonna post all of their. Like literally everything they make.

Um, if like they've been posting they've posted firmwares for years. Um, but they're posting firmwares, they're posting uh the CAD files assembled, they're posting the individual component files, they're posting the circuit designs, the whole thing. Oh, oh, oh, when you say, oh, I when you said everything, I thought you meant CAD files for everything. You mean everything for everything.

I mean the CAD files that like they use to make and to make yeah. It seems like for for personal non commercial use. You can download the CAD files for almost all of your Keychron devices and uh do with them as you please. Well one would do. When I say everything, just to be clear, you also said firmware and like board designs and stuff like that?

Yeah, so if you dig into the folders then you can actually the firmwares are in for most of these that I I I've just been kind of spot checking through but Part of the GitHub repos are like I'm looking at this one and this is the GitHub repo for the K ten H E special edition US model. And they have the bottom case, the full model, uh, which is like the assembled CAD machine with the like all the bits and pieces glued onto each other.

Uh the special edition keycaps, the special edition plate, which is the thing between the bottom and the the board and the and the and the switches. Um the stabilizer designs, the top case, the wood frame. Actually, I don't know that they have the board designs here. That that would make sense that they're not sharing that.

That was that was the one that leapt out at me because it was like, Hey, if you have the if the CAD files, the board designs, the firmware, everything, then you could kind of just make your own. At this point, I'm not saying that it would necessarily be cost effective and definitely not like time effective, but you you could have been a good idea.

Could no, but but like it's cool if you wanna be able to if you want to integrate a computer, a keyboard keyboard in something, this is a really easy way to do it because you can get the board CAD and then just use that to carve out the holes that you need in whatever you're building, right?

So that was like I said, the key front doing this is the first time I had become aware of a company releasing things like CAD files, although it sounds like it's actually more common than I realized, but but but that is the point, right? It's not it's not, oh, go print your own three D printed version of our housing. It's Yeah. It's it's now you have the very precise measurements of the shape of our stuff so you can make add ons that fit properly without having to eyeball or or measure yourself.

So a lot of there's a lot of open hardware stuff that has posted CAD files for years and years and years. Like there's enthusiast keyboards that people make that are that have been around for forever. Yeah, and I I it makes more sense when it's like homebrew, you know, you know, the way mechanical keyboards started as a community. But I it's I guess it's it's a little more notable to me when a large company that makes a lot of money selling products does it.

So three D printer people have done this for a long time, even the big like Prusa obviously post all their models and firmwares and board designs and everything for everything'cause it's all open hardware. Um the interesting thing here is this is I think the this is Keikron is a Chinese company. It's not as big as like a Logitech or something like that in terms of

um employees worldwide and all that, but it is a uh they sell a a whole lot of keyboards. Yeah. Um, so it's it's pretty surprising for them. And I part of me wonders

Like like there's been a lot of conversation in the 3D printer community'cause like Prusa is coming out and saying, Hey, our our mis our printers are being knocked off in China before we can even start selling them, right? Because they work in an open way. Um and I wonder if this is just the Chinese manufacturer saying, look, we know everybody's gonna knock these off, so might as well just put the stuff out there. Or um

Or or or what? I I actually I'm I'm I'm really curious what people think about this. I I thought it was really cool. Um I think it's generally more information is better than less. Well and it's weird for like the knock against Keychron when they came into the space as a cheap way to get mechanical keyboards was well you don't have any of the other stuff that you get and they've slowly kind of come back come back around to where everybody else is. So like

They've released firmwares for years so you can do QMK firmware and stuff like that. They've um uh uh and now releasing the the physical design of the of the hardware is is the like last step in that process, I think. Yeah, that's cool. I I I have no frame of reference because I've owned exactly one mechanical keyboard, but I love this K five Max. Like it kinda does everything I could want a keyboard to do.

The the I think the first mechanical keyboard's kinda like owning your first electric car. Yeah. Sure. In that like it's such a huge improvement over what you had before that it feels like it's like getting an SSD in your computer, right? You're like, Oh wow, my computer's really fast now. And it doesn't matter if you got the fastest SSD or like the tenth fastest SSD. Yeah. It's so much better than the thing that came before that it just feels like a magical upgrade.

You're you're not wrong, but there is more to it than I would have expected, I guess I would say. Like what I mean what I mean is I continue to be delighted by the amount of functionality it has. Like um, you know, it's got uh not You do layers and stuff? No, I'm not sure. So it's it's a hundred and ten key, so I don't know that it needs layers or it's necessarily it probably Look back. Actually I maybe maybe layers is a different term for yes, it does have presets for different OSs, I believe.

So like on my keyboard when I hold down the function key, I get a completely different layout. Oh yes, I believe it does th yes, I think I've seen that. That's what layers are. It it's QMK and I've looked at the customization stuff, and yes, it does have that stuff.

And part part of that QMK thing is that you can ch you so you can set up a whole bunch of layers and you can kind of page through them if you want, or you can have ones that are instantaneous that you get access by pressing a keyboard keyboard shortcut. I was I think I was mixing that up with it also as a physical physical switch for Mac or Windows. Oh.

That's different than what you're talking about. But like I think we talked about this recently. Like I said, remember it's got Bluetooth, and I was like, I'm Keep it connected to my mister and that's cool, but I wish I could also keep it connected to a pie. Yeah. Somebody somebody in the Discord chimed in and they were like, oh no, it actually has three Bluetooth profiles on it, so you can

Sync to three Bluetooth devices at once. So like for for a hundred and ten bucks, like it it has a shocking amount of functionality to me. I I don't doubt that there are more elaborate boards out there. Well the the nice thing with the QMK stuff is you just write your own firmware if you want. Yeah. Right. Um

Everything's got an arm CPU in it now. It's all ARM, it turns out. Um so yeah, I thought that was really cool. You you called out that the Valve just posted for the Steam controller uh their CAD files as well, which they I feel like they did that for the Steam Deck as well. Um I w I would believe that, but let me let me just verify. Yes, Steam Deck CAD files came out. In twenty twenty two, which I think is when the Steam Deck shipped, right?

Yeah, that was shortly if it wa I I feel like they did it shortly after, but yeah. Yeah, so I mean uh Valve, I'm not surprised, has been doing this for a while. Not a new phenomenon, but it's cool to see more companies getting in on it. Yeah, it's it's um I mean, so like hardware stores like McMaster's car do this as well, right? So like if you're building if you're building something

You can grab the CAD file for the bolts that you want to use and you can get exactly the right shape and and all that stuff so you know what your overlap is. And and it's it's incredibly convenient when you're when you're designing stuff. So I I had to laugh because like McMaster Carr is traditionally purveyor of like fine, well made tools and Associated trinkets, you know. But more recently, more recently they have been recognized at the as the gods of web design. Did you cut out?

Is this a thing? Is this are people is this what people is this what the kids are saying? entirely serious, but uh or or I mean I think they were not entirely serious, but also they kind of were. I mean, are you on the website like Oh yeah.

It was being passed around recently as look at how fast and simple and efficient web design used to be. Like the anything you click on their site, it all just loads instantly. Like it's all the information's all very clearly and concisely presented. Every page loads immediately. You're not wrong.

Like it was it was being passed around kind of a lot on like web design circles on social media as like we need to get back to this. Like we need to get back to just functional Well laid out sites that are very performant. And I mean, it is insanely fast clicking down into these columns. It took like uh three seconds to get down to like extra wide two piece shaft collars, and then I'm downloading a SolidWorks file for that particular model.

Like clicking into any of these like large categories of products is like measured in milliseconds in in the page load times. Like it's just very, very fast. Hey, here's an interesting factoid. I'm looking at my ad blocker on this page. There's only three block things. Right. When I go to Gmail, I think it's like twenty two thousand or something. It's it's ridic fairly ridiculous. The web used to be good. Yeah, the web can still be good, Brad. Yeah, maybe.

Um on the input tip, uh more mouse vendors are doing magnetic switches. We talked about the Logitech hits s sensors in the super strike a few weeks ago. both uh Keychron. Uh Keychron just teased out a new switch that they called the Mag Opt switch. It's a hybrid optical mac magnetic sensing mechanism. Uh with a traditional clicky leaf like you expect in a normal normal switch.

I assume that's they not to make this all about Kefron, but they've had a couple of magnetic keyboards out for a year or two. I assume this is a newer type of switch than that though. Well the mouse switches are a different physical design. Yeah, maybe maybe it's also I think those might have been just magnetic. Is this magneto optical?

Or that doesn't make sense. What is the opt? You're I d uh you know, I but I watched the video and I didn't understand exactly how it worked, so It is, yes, hybrid hybrid optical and magnetic sensing mechanism. yeah i i am um I'm interested to see how this actually works in practice because the click is going to be physical. So it's going to be it's going to be on the on the location it always is, regardless of where you trigger the the um the the actuation point to be on the mouse software.

And um but but they are saying that they're gonna do the stuff like the rapid click where you can rele where you're where the release happens before you cross the actuation point and stuff like that. Um, the other one is this company called Staptic, which is a Russian uh a Russian streamer's mouse company.

Um and they're doing the full thing with the haptic bumpers and h some sort of magnetic sensor uh for the for the switches. Uh whether that Like who knows Russian streamer mice I have questions about. Okay. Um, probably not gonna be in Western markets is what this turn power up article says. Yeah, you're probably right about that. Yeah. Uh I I'm surprised we haven't seen a hits clone out of China yet, honestly. Expected to see it by now.

Yeah. It's a it's a So many players in the space and there's so much so much tech and and R and D development around d down so many different lines, you know, in terms of weights and and switch types and and programmability and all kinda you know, it's like Pacers. Like there's really just a mouse for everybody at this point.

Yeah, it's it's interesting'cause I use two mice. I use a vertical when I'm doing work stuff usually um just to save my wrists a little. Yeah, what what is the what is the ergonomic rationale for the vertical mouse? Is it just somehow better for your hand to be oriented that way? So instead of your hand being folded up to use the mouse, you're keeping it vertical and sideways.

flapping my hand in front of the camera, I've all immediately understood the practicality'cause you're you're pivoting your wrist on On the uh up down, not the not the lateral movement. You really you're really supposed to just move your arm, not your wrist at all, really. And that it kind of facilitates that'cause it's like think about how you hold like a cup or a can of can of Coke or something.

And you know, you're not when you drink that, you're not bending your wrist in or out. Uh the problem with using a traditional mouse is that you end up with your mouth with your hand flexed up in that, in that um, like uh, I don't know how to say it, but like Oh y where your palms are facing out as if you're making a stop sign, stop hand. And that adds a lot of tension to the to the uh the the channel, the carpal channel where the ligaments that control your fingers

uh go through. And so when you bend up, you're adding stress and friction to those. If you do the vertical, then you don't do that as much. So you can click more, basically. Yeah, that makes sense. I I've been using wrist rests for keyboard and mouse for twenty years to try to basically Force yourself. The goal is to keep your hand parallel with your forearm, right?

Yeah. I I use a wrist rest when I'm using a the normal mouse as well. So um but sometimes it's nice to just have the hand resting on the on the mouse pad. It does funk up the mouse pad more though, which is undesirable. Yeah, you find little bits of like rubber from the base or fibers all over the place. Tears and dead skin and all sorts of it's people are gross. But they sure are. Yeah. How often do you clean your desk? I don't want to talk about that. I'm uncomfortable with this topic.

Okay. I used to be on a on a once a week like full dust and wiped down of the desk. Yeah, I'm on a similar cadence. Ah. I'm like two I'm really roughly every two to three weeks now. I haven't seen parts of my desk in probably two years, Brad. Uh huh. Well, mainly because there's a big giant I mean there's a cutting mat on one side. There's my Basically my desk is covered in rubber at this point, is the T L D R. Yes, that could be a problem.

Uh, do you want to talk about Wildcat Lake? I'm excited about this. Yes. This is my big one. It happened. Dude, you and I have been waiting for this for like, I don't know, two years now it seems.

I I I was going to say I think it's been I've been ta I've been talking wistfully about Wildcat Lake for like two years now, and that's mostly because it leaked that long ago on the roadmap. Well, whatever, CPU roadmaps get out way ahead of time, so that's not Yeah, they're not really leaks, they just post'em.

It's not well, Intel didn't post it. This was coming out of associated people around it, but and in fact they only Intel only confirmed it, I think, a few months ago that it existed, technically. This is downstream of uh of Panther Lake. Yeah, it's a variant of the Intel Core Th uh Core what Core Three. Can't remember what they call I can't remember what the actual name. Core Series Three, sorry.

Yeah, the the branding, the final branding, because these code names don't make it to market is yeah, core just plain uh dude, Intel current marketing, I'm not a fan. Look, it's all bad. All of these names are always bad and always have been. The only good one ever was the G Force Three. That was the last time this was good. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's just it's just harder it's gotten harder to keep track of what's what since they dropped the I and and all that stuff. But

Honestly, once they start segmenting the product lines to the point that there's fifty five products i in to serve various markets, then it's you're doomed. There's nothing you can do. Now now granted, I guess in this in this case, in their defense, Panther Lake is just a laptop skew to begin with, so there are not like ultra and like desktop variants to differentiate from here. Well no, Panther so Panther Lake is

Is a soup to nuts l mobile skew though. So it's like mobile workstations, thin and lights, the whole thing. Well sure. Yeah. But no no no big desktop. There's no like, you know, uh fourteen nine hundred K equivalent that we're trying to that we're trying to differentiate from here. But yes, these these are like plain core threes and core fives. Well It might just be core three. Again, it's hard to tell from this. I think this is Core Series three. This is this is the

That's the main part, yes. I'd what I what I mean what I mean is there might be some upper tier parts of this that are It's the triplet design, so they could put a bigger GPU on it for inexplicable reasons. I don't I don't really know why they would. Yeah, so I mean the the big the big thing here, and again, I've been wanting I've been talking about wanting to build a router out of Wildcat Lake for like two years now.

This was thought to be the successor to Alder Lake N, which is better known as Lake N one hundred, N one fifty, mm-hmm, which is kinda like the been the go to for that low tier X eighty six mini PC for a long time.

Well y yeah, they they they were like uh if you think about the kind of computers that are in like a hospital room st stacked uh slapped on the wall or like hanging off the back of somebody's monitor at a corporate desk job, that's what we're talking about, is is a lot of these kind of machines. Yeah.

Well, the the thing that's a little confusing here, the most information I've seen anybody put out about this thing is from Serve the Home, which is the very active, like home networking, kind of home labby sort of site. Uh and they liken it as they liken it more to a successor to Raptor Lake U. Are you familiar with that line?

Yeah, that was the um So that was the big the big thing here that kind of surprised me is that the ru again, the rumor mill has been positioning this as like an Alter Lake M follow-up, but they're this this so far is only debuting in laptops and I guess like mini PCs that are kind of laptop tier performance.

I think that's well I mean but that's what the that's what the older like stuff was as well. Like right like the Was that also a laptop chip? Yeah, well no Alder Lake was still everything. No, no, alder like N specifically. Those are those are just the tiny four core or Those were I'm sure destined for laptops, like cheap laptops. Yeah.

Maybe that's where those originated. But then, you know, like the little a lot of little like kind of no name Uh like Chinese mini PC makers started putting those in like fanless boxes with lots of uh network interfaces on them to use for like home server and router type stuff. Anyway, this is actually shipping. It's got a product name now, it's Core Series Three, it's in laptops, it's coming to market.

Uh the specs are exactly what's been rumored for like a year now, so I don't know if we need to get too much into that stuff again. It's It's two P core well, the the the basic, like there is one SKU with only one P core, but the basic layout is two P cores and four L P E cores. Yeah, the LP cores are on the IO die.

Yeah. They're separate from the compute tile, but they're my understanding is L P E cores are basically roughly the same performance as E cores. It's just it's just where they are on the package is different. Well and they're they're often that that die is clock slower, is my understanding. So the performance per clock is gonna be the same, but the clock speeds will actually be lower. That would make some sense. That's

Yeah, that's okay. That's not amazing. And then and then there are like latency concerns about communicating between the P and E or L P E cores, right?'Cause they're going across The the benefit of these chips is that they're often really, really inexpensive. Like those Alder Lake N 100 150 chips in a bare bones B-Link style NUC style case, like a small fanless enclosure.

in the good times before RAM prices got out of c well, I mean, the bare bones ones are still cheap. They're still like a hundred and a hundred and fifty bucks often regularly if you if you kinda shop around. Um In the days when RAM and SSDs were still inexpensive, you could often get a sixteen gig RAM configuration with like a hundred gig hard SSD for a hundred and fifty dollars, which is a kind of amazing

really, really capable little machine that draws five watts at idle, which is like a a perfect uh, hey, I want a home server, but I don't want to increase my power bill twenty five dollars a month kind of situation. Yeah. Yeah and this this should be a successor. I think I mean the we're starting to see the Panther Lake uh like low power uh nuck style boxes come out as well. Uh those are

uh gonna be much more expensive because they're much more capable machines. The power consumption under load will be higher. From looking at the laptop reviews, it seems like the idle power will be It's gonna be more than those those Alder Lake machines. Yeah, that that is the case. I mean, A, they have more CPU cores, like I said,'cause those especially the lower tier, like N one hundred, was just four cores and this is six CPU cores. This also has an NPU on it, which which those did not

You just turn that off though. Nobody uses that. So that's my question. My understanding is that for the like the CWWK, you're familiar with that brand?

Like the little the little kind of no name again, like Chinese mini PCs. Uhhuh. My understanding is that BIOS or UEFI support for those things is real flimsy. Then so I'm wondering if you will actually be able to turn that off. Because you could you could see an argument for Because even these LP E cores, I don't I don't know if some I don't know if everybody listening has caught uh kept up with this, but the e core space is where Intel's like most exciting

Kind of performance work has been going on for the last few generations. Like the ECORs are insanely fast now. Yeah, the the they're I think they're Skylake. No, they're way beyond way beyond that now. So so that's what N one hundred was. That was based on I think that was SkyMont. I for I lose track. I think we're on Darkmont now or maybe the generation after Darkmont, but so the N one hundred was roughly comparable per core to like a sixty five hundred or uh you know, an an I seven or I five.

Sixty five hundred. Yeah. And and we're like three generations past that. So like so the the point I was gonna make is like just running with the LP E cores on this thing, even if if you could if you can disable the P cores, you're still gonna have something that for four cores is like insanely faster than what the N one hundred did. And and a much newer GPU that'll do more video transcodes and stuff like that, you know, newer codecs and stuff like that.

That's the big thing is the GPU for me,'cause the CPU on the types of things I use this for are relatively minor, like running Minecraft servers will take one LPE core and be fine. Um running five video transcodes or three video transcodes or whatever w is something that the current machine just doesn't have the GPU oomph to do. And with this it's it's the XE cores are the video engine in the X E GPU cores is really, really good. Like um so yeah. Anyway, uh it's

Very exciting for yeah, very exciting for little home servers if and when that happens. Again, this is like very much being positioned as a laptop chip right now. Like in fact, all the benchmarks you're seeing out there are comparing it to things like the MacBook Neo. Mm-hmm. Like that's the product category this is being positioned for. So it does

remain to be seen if this trickles down to the mini PC area. I did find a random comment on the the big giant like 200 page serve the home form thread about the N100s as home servers. Somebody had said they're they're getting very hard to buy now. Yeah. And they had reached out to one of these suppliers that makes the little mini PCs and they basically said, like, yeah, it's getting it's getting very difficult to source new one M150 chips.

So presumably maybe this will hopefully slide into that category. Like those chips are old enough that Linux is dropping support for uh the tran the transcode engine in the GPU and some and like some newer kernels just don't have that support built anymore. You have to patch it in if you want it still. So like The it's it's seven year old, eight year old, it's an eight year old CPU I think at this point, Alder Lake, probably. I can't remember. It was pre pandemic.

No, Alder Lake's newer than that, definitely. Yes, that's like twenty twenty two, I wanna say. No, I bought that machine before twenty twenty two. Twenty twenty one. November twenty twenty one. Is when Alder Lake debuted the first SKUs.

Um on your comment about the the BIOS and UEFI support, I I will say having used one of those B links at length, the UEFI support is thin. Uh I think I've looked at some of the mini swarms boards that they sell. So they sell both like ITX boards that have like mobile processors soldered on. Um they also do small nuc size boxes. Their bioses and UEFIs are generally much better. So um we we should yeah.

The problem the problem there for my very particular brand of perversion is that they are probably not putting configurations together that are what I would want for like a router. That's that's where you're kind of only seeing on AliEx AliExpress, that type of thing. You want like the four the four like a switch built in and all? But frankly, I just want two SFP plus ports and that's it. I want I want Well now that is a specific brand of perversion.

And there are plenty of M one fifty machines out there that have that. Yeah. And I mean they'll have they'll have like four two point five gigabit ports as well, RJ forty five. If you want it, but like I I just want I want ten gigabit in, take ten gigabit out. That's all I need for a router, but that's So I I don't know if that's likely to show up from a company whose kind of BIOS support you can trust, but

Yeah, I wonder like I c I ca I almost wonder if you're not making a mistake by just buying the Alder like one for something that's as low power requirements as a as a router. Well again, now you can't. Like now they're right. Now they're very hard to find and like a hundred and fifty dollars more than they used to be or something. So it's so it's like it's like a basically end of life platform that you'd be paying through the nose to get if you could even find one now. Yeah, that's true.

I at this point I maybe kind of wish I had just bought one two years ago. I mean there's a lesson there. Well my router still works fine, to be clear. Like I had there's like I I would gain zero new functionality by having a better router. I'm just mad that it's not supported anymore, that they kind of dropped support for it very prematurely. Like my router's running Linux kernel, I think it's like four point seven or four point nine.

Jesus. If that tells you anything, like it's it's it's running a stack that has been end of life and not supported for like five years now or something. That's scary on a router. Yes, that's why I'm kind of a little antsy to replace it with something else. Time Uh y speaking of that, uh that's the end of our list of topics. Yeah. Yeah. We've reached time.

Yes. I I will say real quick, uh on the firmware and UAFI support thing, like that's An interesting phenomenon of this like a I think it's generally a good thing that there is more types of hardware available rather than less these days.

Yeah. But but we're in this era of there's just so many little when I say no name, I'm talking like companies that you never heard of, you know. Like another space I keep an eye on is off br uh not off brand, but like third party sort of portable switch two docs. Like I had that I had that ganky smart doc for for switch one. There's like a ton of companies doing that for switch two already and have been for a while.

supporting the Switch 2's video output is like a moving target. Nintendo keeps making changes in firmware. It's not clear if they're doing that to

try to, you know, throw those third parties off their trail, or if it's just totally unrelated and it just happens to be breaking things. But the reason I bring that up is A lot of the a lot of these third party switch video adapters you'll find Put out firmware updates, but the only way to get them is like some reset era thread where somebody is like, hey, I contacted the company support and they sent me this Google Drive link and here it is.

Look. And it's like and it's like, oh, I'm just gonna go download this zip, this random zip from a Google Drive and run the executable on my PC to update the firmware on this dock. Or maybe I'm not gonna do that. You know what I mean? Like it's The the nature of hardware support for these like cheap little no-name devices that do weird edge casey functionality is getting real wild west. Let me tell you about my fingerprint sensor.

So I bought that I bought a chip sailing CS ninety seven eleven uh based fingerprint sensor. I glued it up under my desk so I could just t tap it. It works great in Linux. I had to install a special driver for it, but in Windows it didn't work. And when I dug down to it, the hardware IDs were Uh it had the right hardware IDs and everything, but in order to get the driver to install, I had to go to the Microsoft update catalog with the USB ID.

And put the hardware ID in and run the search and download the file and unpack it and manually install it before it would work in Windows. Okay. And like I don't know why it doesn't why Windows Update doesn't doesn't just do that,'cause it's like a the Microsoft update catalog, it's all there. But when you buy weird stuff from T Mu sometimes you have to jump through some extra hoops, I guess is the is the answer. Now that did at least come from Microsoft, correct?

Yeah, I first installed a sketchy one from a Chinese website and I was like, I don't know if I want to install this. That's m that's maybe less fine. Like at le at least if you know the provenance of the thing you're installing is from an official company, that's one thing. I mean, yeah, but also like y when you're buying weird edge case like the reason I bought this one is because i I found a Timu a a uh somebody on Blue Sky recommended a Timu

store that sold the exact one that's actually supported in Linux because that's the problem is most of the Windows Hello compatible fingerprint sensors aren't supported in Linux at all. So you have to find ones that have specific chipsets. It's it's a whole thing. I should do a post or something about it because it was a mess. But the point is Everything's janky now. Yep. We we live in the janky time unfortunately. It's the jank era. Yeah, welcomed there of of of Extreme Jack.

Just just to close the loop though, I think maybe for something as critical as a router where a hundred percent of my internet traffic is going through it, I should maybe do a little more due diligence on who sells me a box. I I really it's one of the things I wish we've we've talked about this at PC World a little bit, but I wish that more reviews

Focused on what it's like to actually do kind of advanced user stuff with a thing. Yeah. So like they do NUC reviews and they're doing them for a different audience than us. So they're not for they're not they're not doing reviews for home lab people. They're doing reviews for people who buy like you know, five hundred of those things to jam on the back of every m every monitor in their in their business, right? But

I would love to know what the UEFI looks like in all of those, right? I would love to see what's what's which options are in there, all that kind of stuff. What what you can change. Can you disable secure boot? Can you add new secure boot keys easily? I mean that that stuff that's that's the first thing I want to know about a piece of hardware like that.'Cause'cause that dictates a lot of what you can do with the thing.

Oh yeah. And even even like framework that makes relatively good hardware, their UEFI is messy. I I'm I'm kind of it's it's To get from the boot area to the bi to the bios tip what you think of as traditional bio stuff, you have to like reboot the machine and it's it's like jumping through hoops that are just goofy.

Are you saying I mean people love to complain about, you know, BIOS support from your SUS and MSIs, but are you saying we don't know how good we have it on the PC side? At least those work generally, usually kind of. I mean, I think the problem with the Asus and MSIs and and Gigabytes is that they are presenting people with too many options.

Sure. And and also they're not explaining what the options are in any any forum anywhere that's not just some guy on Reddit posting, Oh yeah, this is what the this esoteric setting seventeen is. Um, this is the the opposite problem is on the mobile side and I think that spills over into the nuck style boxes, the little the little hockey puck boxes. So I don't know. Computers are weird, man, but also sometimes computers are good, so Yeah. Here we are. Hopefully more often than not.

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To be fair, I think that is a feature. I believe it came out in the wash basically. Okay. Is that a feature of the specific burrito place I was going to is that like removing sour cream and hitting double guacamole made the price the same. What what's your burrito order, Brad? Do you have a standard? This this uh okay, yeah, sure. My my like most generic one is probably whole pento beans and pollo asado. Okay.

I would say. And and generally super I don't I sour cream's okay, I'm not the biggest fan, but I'll generally go for super if it's available. I like sour cream. I like a light super. Like I like a light sour cream. Yes, that's that's okay. But I'm telling you, I'm telling you the double guac. Double Grok, that sounds good and probably much better for you too, actually. Probably. Um I uh I I'm an Al Pastor super OK With uh black beans and extra cilantro usually.

Okay. Ooh, that's extra s extra slaughter, sounds good. This place this this is a this is a bit of a different this is more of like a regional Mexican cuisine. They have refried black beans there. Oh I d that's that's if you go someplace with that, you know you're in for a trip. It's the only place the only burrito place I've ever seen with refried refried black beans.

Do you ever go to Tom there's a place in the mission that does that too, but do you ever go to Tommy's joint out? It's out in your general neck of the woods. Well right yeah, it's not a Gary and Van Ness. Are you thinking Oh wait, are you thinking the Mexican? I'm sorry. I'm thinking the Mexican place. Yes, Ty I have been to that's way out in the avenues. Yeah, it's way out of the sun. Yes, I I've been there a couple times.

That place is unbelievable. But yes. Uh anyway, now I want to go get different food than I started out. Look, from Japan to Mexico, you get it all. here. Dinner for Bri burrito for bre well, you know, maybe breakfast burrito is a covered Which category.

Actually. You know, the the breakfast food gap that we have here is breakfast tacos. When you go to Texas, you get like every gas station has breakfast tacos and they're just like foil wrapped rolled corn tortilla tacos with like Eggs and sausage and potato. But But it's not like a breakfast burrito is too much, right? Yes. Like the two breakfast tacos, perfect amount of food. It's like a bit it's like eating a chicken biscuit, basically. Highly recommended. Sold. Uh we'll be back.

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