320: Maybe Somebody Hates Brian Eno

Okay, so if everything went well by now, you have Nog in your possession in real life. Oh, well, thank you in advance. Well, I mean, look, you don't have it yet. Okay, I still got it. Still got to stay on the nice list. Yeah. Look, it's a problem. The biggest problem of the whole thing is that I have this six gallon vat that I make it in because I make.

like 30 quarts every year right so it's like six seven gallons is this just a giant bucket or it's a cambro it's a it's a bro it's a kit yeah i i used to do it in um like a stock pot a big stock pot and it wasn't enough it took three batches and then i was like what if i buy a bigger thing and i found out that for like 20 bucks i could buy a bigger thing that sits sealed up in my garage during the summer months

and comes out one time a year for eggnog making purposes and i posted a picture on twitter one time and the people who make the container retweeted it They were so excited that a normal human being bought one of their products. Who are the people who made it? It's Cambro. Oh, that's a company? Yeah, they make plastic tubs.

that are a fixed size and can go on rails and stuff for commercial kitchens got it i thought i thought a cambro was like a carboy no no no no no it's a brand um and it has like graded markings on the side and stuff like that so you can do like You can do the loose measuring in it, but I just I operate in gallons, so it's not a problem. Really, really ahead of the curve on the Cambro influencing. Yeah, look, this is this is an honor.

This is like Eric Pope and his and his tushy care package. Right. I'm up there in the thought leader space. But so the problem with the camera, though, is it's like four feet deep. Right. And my immersion blender is about 18 inches long. The immersion blender is what I use to dissolve the two pounds of sugar into each batch of eggnog. And in order for it to work, it's not deep enough.

And this is a problem I face many times. And you usually end up just getting, I have a big long spoon that I use, but that sucks and takes a long time. And like, it's not ideal. So I was going to solicit. the tech pod community because they're kind of ingenious and i assume that there's like i thought about buying like a paint stirrer honestly for my for my uh like just put on a drill and hang it up over the thing and stir it all up those probably get pretty long

They get long, but I'm not sure that they're food safe. Yeah. And I'm not sure you want a power tool hovering around your food products. I don't really drink that much dog, so it doesn't really affect me as much as the other people I give it to.

few a few little uh undetectable metal shards in there in a big yeah metal metal shavings a little bit of oil it's fine it's just it's just iron extra iron i don't i don't actually think the the drill that i would use for this is like a little battery power one so it's not not a problem but yeah but yeah so uh i would love i would love feedback from the tech pod community if you all have ideas or if like there's a i mean a i know that there are commercial immersion blenders that i can buy

and i looked at them and i priced them out and i thought about where i was going to store a four foot long immersion blender for the 364 days a year that i don't use it and i decided that that was a too expensive be a little bit ridiculous and see something that like like my wife could get behind the cambro because like we put other stuff in it that is like unfrequently used kitchen items and it lives in the garage on a shelf

But I don't think I can get the commercial immersion blender. And also, I don't want to spend $130 on it or whatever it costs. Yeah, that's sensible. Listen, we're big on natural peanut butter around here, which I'm sure you know. Yeah. Take some elbow grease to get going. Yeah.

The it's, it's basically a thin layer of peanut oil and then a brick of solid peanut butter underneath. Did you try the upside downing thing? Yes. Yes. I do that. I forget. I think that came from like GQ or some bizarre source like that, but yes, the.

You have to plan ahead a couple of days, like turn it upside down one day, turn it right side up the next day. Okay. One more cycle. And then on the fourth day, you can stir your peanut butter. But I have also thought about the electric drill paint stirrer method for maybe. Loosening up the peanut butter at 2026 goal, maybe. Yeah. Culinary power tools is an unexplored area of internet content that we might tap into. Do you think a paint shaker would do it? Maybe.

Like there's a picture on the street from your house. You could go in there and be like, hey, can I smack this on the shaker for a minute? We can stop burning these ideas in public.

Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod. I'm Will. I'm Brad. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. It feels like just yesterday we were here recording the intro and outro for last week's episode. It sure does. Just moments ago. That's right.

super fresh into mind well hey but it's 2026 now it's a fresh new year everything's gonna be great right you know yeah yeah for the sake of argument let's say yes let's let's hope yes yeah but you know what you know what i know is guaranteed to be great what's that More ranking. That is a bold statement to make before, at the time of this recording, the first episode has posted. Look, I know what we've ranked.

I know that we went to a lot of effort to special effect things into the episode. I know that people love startup sounds. And I know that we ranked at least one thing perfectly. Okay. The Windows 95 startup sound, 100% correct, S tier, no question. Universal agreement. Yes, absolutely. And if this is before that, then I apologize for just spoiling that we S tiered the Windows 95 startup sound.

But I don't think that's a spoiler for anybody who's listened to the show. I think that while I've got the edit notes right in front of me, I can probably tell you it's, I think that's in the first half. I'm pretty confident. Also, I think it's pretty much assumed, right? Yeah. If there's one sound everybody can get behind, I would like to think it's that one. But, you know, maybe somebody hates Brian Eno. Sometimes the audience surprises you.

Maybe Brian, you know, like broke up a marriage one time and the children that fell out of that are really sour about him. I hate that Windows 95 startup sound.

I think I think the follow on to this episode, maybe we should do this for the patron episode last month. It's already out that we recorded a couple of days after we recorded this is we should record our custom. windows 95 startup sound because you could you could remember you could download a pack right it was one of the first things i downloaded on the internet was a pack of windows 95 startup sounds and i had like simpsons ones and uh

I guess they didn't have Futuromics that didn't exist yet, but maybe South Park? Yeah, I think we touched on this in one of these two episodes. I think we both recited our Windows login sounds. Mine were all Star Wars quotes. i had i had there are too many states please remove one and um something that most had i can't remember the one that most said but anyway um we're back on our we're back on our bullshit we're ranking some more startup sounds yeah

We hope you enjoy. And as mentioned, we finished it this week. So yeah, two and done. I like to think that this is the last word that anyone will ever have to say on this. I expect to see some Wikipedia citations. Yep. I expect to see. Anybody else that does this topic in the future, I expect that they'll link back to the source material. The only people who've ever done this in the history of mankind in all time.

And yeah, if we missed anything, please let us know and we'll tack on a third episode at some point in the future, maybe, or probably not. I don't know. Ranking.

Okay, should we go back to some consoles here for a minute? Yes, I'm going to, similar to the, whichever windows it was that sounded like khakis to me, the point I was going to make earlier, the original Xbox sound sounds like... old Jay Allard. Yeah. Like, have you ever seen the old pictures of jail that would go around with a hoodie, but no sports coat before he started shaving his head? He was a bit, a bit heavier, like wearing Microsoft business casual.

Yeah. And then he looked world wary and then shaved heads felt Jay Allard in the suit coat and hoodie combo. Yeah. That's the distinction between the Xbox and the Xbox 360 startup sounds to me. So this is the original Xbox 360 startup sound. Yep. It's great. That swoosh and the chime. It's great.

So freaking good. It's great. And the animation that goes along with it is also fantastic. Yeah. That is A or S to me. This is S. 100% this is an S for me. I am perfectly happy calling that an S tier startup sound. There's two components to this. There's the lift. I think a lift. I think as we listen to these, I think I'm realizing that having a lifting element as the song goes up is really important to making this whole thing work. Sure.

So, like, listen to this again. Lift. Swoosh. Chime. Yeah. Perfect. It's all you need. That's everything you need in one of these. It's also a perfect length. Yeah. Does not overstay its welcome. Well.

Now, the problem was that the boot process for the Xbox 360 took a really long time and then loading stuff off the disc took a long time. So you ended up looking at the logo for like 45 seconds or a minute after this before the game loaded. But, you know, whatever. That's not the sound's fault. No, it's not the sound's fault.

There's also a connect revision for this. Yes, there is. I'm going to play that as well. I don't know how we feel about ranking this, but I'm going to play it anyway. I think we should. Okay. Yeah, so that's the one they patched in after the Kinect came out. That was after they killed the Blades? Well, they killed the Blades way before that. They killed the Blades like two years before, maybe three years before the Kinect came out.

they got rid of the old one. Like, they literally couldn't hear and see the first version that we just gave an S to because they replaced it with this schlock. I mean, I actually don't actually hate the sound on its own. It's fine. It's decent. But it reminds me of an era of the Xbox where things were starting to go downhill. Yeah, it's definitely not as good. And it prevents you from hearing the amazing first one. Like there was just no way to hear that again. Yep.

So I'm going to say 360 Kinect is like a C at best. Yeah. Maybe I'm holding too much of the context against the sound. Play it a couple more times. I mean, we need to ruminate on this. Yeah, the other thing about the Kinect version... is that they had a they had an actual connect version that was only on the connect games that had children's laughter on top of that okay i'm weird inexplicably yeah i i mean i am i am

using shorthand here and just calling this the connect version because that's around the time that that system update went out and this became the official sound. Yep. Yep. I mean, it's not terrible. It's like, you know, it's reminiscent of the... I'm playing the first one again. It's reminiscent of the superlative original. Jump in.

yeah fucking effective their marketing is or was that I hear that sound and I'm here reciting their tagline from their commercials like that's bad the other thing is the thing that happens that then that that whoosh sound that comes in at the end is way better on the original one than it is on the later one so the later one is is weak and punchy and that first one sounds good and when it played on your stereo in your living room it sounded awesome yep yep i don't disagree

Also that initial whoosh. I don't need that whoosh. Yeah, jump in. You're right, Brad. You're right. I don't like that. I think... I think whatever I was using at the time would, it took a second to handshake when I turned it on. So I missed that whoosh a bunch of the time or something. So like I was spared that, but yeah, I don't like the whoosh either. I'm anti whoosh. I have that at a C, which I think is fair. I think that's generous.

I could, I don't think it's better than it's like, it's an okay sound. I'd put the children laughing version at a D and the regular connect one is C, I guess. I don't know. Okay. That's the three 60.

Okay, so now it's PS3 time. Okay, I'm excited about this. Okay, so PS3, there were three different revs, and I can't tell the difference in them. I think they're just different lengths, basically. Okay, that's... really just the first one i'm going to say is the one that matters okay so this is the ps3 it's list this youtube video is listed as ps3 old station playstation 3 startup and game startup Okay. I need to explain something. Are you familiar with the phrase arrogant Sony? No.

Okay, this is around the time. Okay, you remember what the PS3 cost when it came out. People are going to get a second job to get a PlayStation 3, and then it famously flopped at launch. It was 599 US dollars, and you were going to want to get a second job to be able to afford it. Yeah, sometimes people use hyperbole for evil. Here is my argument that this is the perfect...

It's the best possible startup sound for the arrogant era of PlayStation. Look, if if if Fraser Crane specked out the startup sound for this console, this is what it would be. I think it's I think it is more arrogant than that. It is literally an orchestra tuning. It's like it's an orchestra. tuning. It's like an orchestra tuning up before a performance. This console is starting up and literally saying like, yo, you are about to experience a symphony. I mean, look.

Like, this is either an S or a D. I'm not sure which. Oh, I think this, yeah, like, I'm kind of with you. Like, the sheer fucking audacity of it makes me want to give it an S. Like, it's just hilarious. This is the sound they went with. I came to the PlayStation 3 late. I think I bought a PlayStation 3 when Metal Gear Solid came out. Four came out for it. Okay, that was 2008. Because I also knew it was the end of the bundles with the backwards compatibility and all that stuff.

and when I plugged this in and fired it up, It felt like a much classier console than my Xbox. Sure. Yes. I don't, I don't disagree. Like Sony as a consumer brand has a certain panache to it, you know, like in the PlayStation was, was, uh, or, you know, emblematic of that. I all there, you know, the Walkman consumer electronics, their TVs and stereos like there was a there's a high end sort of vibe to Sony consumer products, especially at this time. Yeah. And it was pre their make believe.

era which was a bad time which we'll get to in a minute but yeah i i feel like i feel like this is like hey i'm 28 years old 23 years old is that right 33 years old I'm going to put on my smoking jacket, maybe have a glass of port, and I'm going to play an upscale consumer gaming experience on my living room TV. Or you're going to watch it.

1080p release of Citizen Kane. Well, I don't know what was out at the time, but this was many people's first Blu-ray player as well, so you were watching high-definition discs for the first time. Anyway, not Jermaine here. I think this is an S tier. I think this went to a banger.

I think I ironically am going to give it an S. Again, I just think it's astoundingly funny that they went for this. Should I play the Slim one as well? Yeah. completion so those would have just been only available to you if you bought the later models i think like that's not um it's not like these got patched into the original hardware or anything like that uh now they did change the start i actually i think they did because i think when they did

Firmware 3.0. Is that right? Most firmware 3.0. Maybe. I don't remember that. But he got the new sound, which is when the Slim came out. I guess that's possible. That was the note that I saw on one of the things I said. I've got my fat hooked up in the living room right now. Oh.

I think that's less interesting. I think it feels like there's less instrumentation there. I think it's a little faster, too, because probably the boot up was faster. Doesn't have the pitch pipe at the beginning. Is that the original? This is the original. Okay. I think they're similar enough to all kind of be the same thing. I don't know. I think the pitch pipe at the beginning is actually kind of important. Yeah, sure. But I mean, they all convey a similar vibe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look.

The other thing that is important to remember about the original is that it was using a PlayStation 1 as the audio chip, right? No, as the I.O. controller. They used the CPU. The PS1 CPU was the I.O. controller in the PS3, as I recall. Okay.

We can put them all in the same spot on the tier list. I don't think we have to go through all of them. Do you want to play the super slim one? I didn't realize there was yet another edition. So I didn't listen to a whole lot of these when I was setting them up just so I could come in cold too. but here's the super slim uh this is the this is i don't know this was like a 2012 or 2011 release or something like around the time the ps4 came out as i recall okay

Yeah, these are not distinctive enough from each other to be worth splitting up in any way. I think the first one with the pitch pipe and all that is my preferred, but I don't think they'd be different tiers. Yeah, sure. Okay.

So that's, oh, and then the Wii, of course. Did the Wii have anything? Well. I don't remember the Wii having a startup sound at all. Didn't you not have a Wii famously? I've never owned a Wii. Yeah. So here you go. Warning, health and safety. Press A to continue. Oh, that doesn't count. That's menu music. 100% disqualified.

It's just the opening chimes of the music. It's the same problem as the PS5. It's not distinct. You're already at the menu at this point. That is menu music in the same way that the Wii shop is. It's. Nope. You think if it hits after press A to continue, it doesn't count? If you are already interacting with the system, it is a different thing entirely. I don't know, man. I'll certainly argue that this is pretty swell.

pleasant menu music but it's not startup it's not a this is not a startup sound that's a startup sound right there it is absolutely not wow so no ranking for the we nope disqualified dq get the fuck out of here we wow You may be the greatest seller of all time, but not in the start music category. The Switch has beaten it by now, actually. And also, and the Switch technically is still second to the PS2 for now.

Probably forever. Should we go back to... Maybe do a little more computer stuff. This is definitely getting into the era. We do have handhelds to get through from before, but... That's true. Console-wise, we're getting into the era where there kind of aren't really startup animations anymore. Look, you said there weren't startup animations for these, but there's sounds. There's always a sound.

um should we do should we do some handhelds maybe sure yeah sure you sound enthusiastic no no i mean the psp one i'm excited to hear let's do it's fantastic let's do and i believe yes to start okay Also great. So I don't think the Game Boys prior to this had anything, right? Well, I mean, shit. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? 100,000% they do.

Really? Now that I think about it, did you ever have a Game Boy? No, my sister had the Game Boy. I wasn't really allowed to play it very much. Was she older? No, she was younger, but I respect my sister. Oh, okay. You don't remember the Nintendo logo slowly descending from the top of the screen and then the two-tone beep when it settles into place in the middle? I don't know if I'm going to say a two-tone beep is startup music. I guess this is startup sounds, though.

Are you sure about that? Perhaps if I were to paste it into this document, you could play it into the recording here. I have a Game Boy Color. Yeah, I can do that. Where are you putting it? Just right there? Okay. I can play this. Oh, I do remember this now. Come on, man. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Instant S tier. You're not wrong. It's. Yeah, no, it's that's real good.

I'm just typing Game Boy under S. Is it different for the Game Boy Color, though? You'd have to play it. I have a Game Boy Color, but I don't remember. Oh, it's a little bit stereo, I think. One more time. It's like two tones instead of one. Yeah, I don't think they're different enough, and I also don't like that as much as the clarity. The Game Boy Color would be lower. It would be like a D or C for me, probably. The pristine clarity of the original Game Boy beeps.

Sublime. Okay, I'm going to, there's Game Boy Advance here too. I'm going to hit that just to be, make sure we're dotting our I's and crossing our T's. It's very serious business. Oh. Oh, that one's good. Yeah, it's pretty good. I don't like the chime, though. Yeah. That's an A or a B for me. I think that's a B, probably. Yes, that sounds exactly right. Let me go ahead and take...

I think the Game Boy Color, a definite regression to the Game Boy. I don't know how they were implementing that sound, but the Game Boy Advance, tragically, famously awful sound hardware. I mean awful. Oh, really? I didn't know that. I forget. It has something to do with, I think, running the sound through the CPU, so it's incredibly low fidelity. Like it didn't have dedicated sound hardware. Anyway, GBA is fine. Famously, nobody cares about sound.

I'll say the Game Boy Advance, I think, is better because the video is really good. Yeah, I like that animation. The little multicolored letters.

Yeah, the letters are flying in as that chime plays, that trill plays, and it's pretty good as a result. Okay. Not bad. So should we do DS now? Yes. Yeah, we're just doing all the Nintendo handhelds here. One more time. That's pretty good. I think it is excellent in its brevity. Yeah. I feel like we're giving too many S's here, though, because my instinct is to just give that an S, and I don't know. Well, hold on. That's the DS. Let me play the DSi now.

See, I think they just tarted it up for no reason. Yeah, I agree. DSI is a weird system. Yeah, all those, all the half Nintendo systems are weird systems. DSI had significantly better hardware that they did nothing with and a camera. Two games came out for that or something ridiculous. I think DS is fine. I don't think it's S tier, though. I can see it in an A. I think it's fine, but it doesn't make me excited about playing the system. It's just like saying, hey, system's on.

It feels characteristic of the rest of the DS, if that makes sense. I don't know if that makes sense or not. Yeah. It fits the vibe of the menus and the tapping and the touch screen. And it's like it's a stylus in startup sound form. Workman-like feels like an A or a B. I mean, a B or C, not an A. I think it's pretty good. Yeah, it's good. It's short and fits the system well. I think it's an A. I think it's...

I don't know, man. Not feeling it. Let me play it one more time. I mean, my immediate reaction was strongly positive, though. I think because it gets out of the way so quickly, I think is a huge point in its favor. That's true. But I mean, part of that's just a side effect of the system booting fast.

Well, they could have made it longer if they wanted to. They still had the creative self-control to know when to call it quits. Fair. Microsoft would have commissioned a 32-second thing for that. Here's my question. Is the 3DS one meaningfully different? I can't remember. I can play it now and see. I think it is. That's menu music. No, no, no. That's menu music. It has a logo and everything. It's all flying in. There's no buttons to press.

this is a hundred percent startup startup sound i swear that it seamlessly transitions into a menu music yes But there is a Nintendo 3DS logo with the two screens and the red three and some bubbles coming in from the side that coincide with the little pops and the fizzes in there. I'm watching it myself now. I had to remind myself. Yeah. Okay, fine. You're right. You're right. That's that is my error. I thought I was thinking that the menu was already on the screen by the time you heard that.

Nope. I'll give you the Wii because you're right. The menu was on the screen by the time you hear the sound. No, you're right. Okay, sure. It's like a B. B's good. B sounds good. I think that's fine. It's like... If you said, hey, I'll pay you a million dollars if you could hum the 3DS song right now, and I just listened to it 45 seconds before, I'm not sure I could do it. Yeah, sure. Yes, I've already forgotten it, actually. But it's fine.

It's kind of un-hummable. Yeah, it is un-humable. Now that you mention it. We should do that. We should do a show where we just walk around and be like, hey, you like games? Mm-hmm. You ever had a 3DS? Yep. Give you a million dollars if you can hum the 3DS startup sound.

I don't have a million dollars to give them. That's the thing. We have to get 50 bucks from each of them. Then every 20,000, we have a million bucks. Sure. Perfect. This is, this is an unstoppable scheme. This is a great plan. I think we have to do the two PlayStation portables now.

I think that's fair. You know, I didn't think to look up and see if there were different sounds for the PS Go and the PSP and the other variants. I don't remember. I never had a PS Go. So here's the PSP startup sound, the original one. So good. There it is. Yeah, there's two. So it's the PS1. PS2 thing again of the second sound is for booting the game. What, really? Yeah. Here's the system boot. Yep.

And that's the game boot. Yeah, and it took it a second to read the UMD and get the game going, so there was a little pause there. Definitely took a second for that. I think that is solidest here. The number one comment... on this video is don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened. Dr. Seuss. ESP is another one of those very beloved systems. I mean, I played so much Lumines on that thing. It's one of the best games ever made.

It's the only thing I ever played on my PSP, really. That's not true. I have a bunch of PSP games. I have a deep love for the PSP, but a lot of that was about the other... factors in my life at the time you know it was like was that when you moved to San Francisco and were riding the bus to work every day it was like the year after I moved out here to work at GameSpot and like I was I went I went to Vegas I went to the CES like Sony press conference reveal of the PSP I was like

But that's fun. I was deep into games coverage, but like the novelty had not worn off yet at that point. And it was just like, man, this thing is like everything I love about about sleek, advanced video game technology. see that was what i that's when i started getting into transcoding video because i got a psp and i was like oh hell yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna rip

DVDs and put them on this thing. I had somebody ask me on a plane one time, like what I was doing when I was watching. I think it was the prestige on that thing. Oh yeah. That's the way, you know, it's the way he wanted the prestige to be watched. Yeah.

Like you could, I thought if I'm not mistaken to this day, that's still the only way I've seen the prestige, but I should probably watch that movie again. But like that, you're right. That was like, that was way ahead of the iPhone curve in portable video on a portable device. Oh yeah.

Like I full on remember downloading some windows software that I don't remember to encode a version of that movie to fit on PSP. That was when I started using handbrake. And honestly, if they hadn't, if they hadn't fucked up and used memory sticks. Like that thing would have been a juggernaut for watching pirated and ripped video. Yep. Anyway. Yep. Great startup sound. Great startup sound. I'm going to play.

I can't even remember what the Vita one sounds like, which tells you how much Vita I have played in my life. I'm going to type in PSP go. Oh, I just to make sure it's not different. I don't think it was different, but I could be wrong. Here is a PlayStation PSP Go boot up. Oh. I'm sure that's right. It's a picture of it on the screen. Oh, that was when you're playing a PlayStation game. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes. Here's a PSP Go startup video.

I think it's the same. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the same. That was a tight little package. I think the PSP is pretty high on the list for me. PSP? Yeah, it's an S. Absolutely. 100%. You think it's an S? Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to play it again. Okay, let's hear it again. Okay, that's pretty good. So pleasant.

And that sounds like that game startup sound just sounds like a sunny day full of possibility. I don't know that I count. I don't think I'm going to count the game startup sound. We're talking about console startup sounds here. I think it's all the same. I think they blend together enough and also 99% of the time you were starting the system with a game in it already. Yeah, but if we're not going to count the Wii's menu start sound, then like...

Once the game's in, then it's a game, not a console. But that's not interactive, though. It's not like you're in a menu when that sound plays. It's still part of the startup process. I don't know about that. are we counting like are we counting the ea sports it's in the game at the start of my playstation 2 because that's part of the game in there that's part of the game i don't know man the system uh and i should also hook up my ps2 and play

ssx tricky that game owns no uh psp startup sound i think is an s i can get behind that that's great okay so let's hear you want to hear the vita now sure this is the ps vita startup 2012. Okay, it shows the logo. Oh. Okay, so that whole thing, it plays, it plays, it shows the PS logo, and then it shows Sony Make Believe, and then it plays OneNote.

I have no memory of this at all. That's it. And then it says Sony Computer Entertainment, and then it goes to the menu. I don't know if that even counts. I think this is a D tier. Maybe we need to open an F tier up for this one. Or Vita. This might be worse than that Apple thing, the bad Apple thing that was at the bottom of the pile before. Is it literally that one piano note? That one piano note. It's the make-believe.

This is from the make-believe era of Sony. This is the bad times. There's something bold about a single note. Yeah. But also, I don't like the Vita, so... I like the Vita. I do not. I think I... I think I spent more time just like installing games on the Vita and configuring it than I ever did actually playing games. Well, there were a few, but I think it may be rogue legacy, like some of those.

Yeah, I played a lot of Rogue Legacy and Spelunky. That was in the era of their buy it once and get it on PS4 and Vita. I think I maybe did play some indie games on it a fair amount. That was an indie game console for me, 100%. Vita was a very underexploited piece of hardware, I think. Teardown's pretty good. Anyway, Tearaway? Tearaway. Teardown's a different thing. Yeah. All right. Okay.

Should we go forward in time some more? You want to do more consoles? You want to do more Windowses? Why don't we knock out the rest of the Windowses? Okay. This should be easy. I don't really even think of modern windows as having a startup sound. So what do we have in there? Okay. So the irony is that on modern windows, my windows 11 machine rarely plays the startup sound, even though it's there.

Because it instantiates the USB audio after the sound replay, I think, is what's happening. Typical Microsoft shenaniganry. By the way, this is completely fucked up my YouTube algorithm. It has no idea what to do with me downloading 300 different startup sounds over the last three days. I think you mean it has tremendously improved your YouTube algorithm. No, I...

Here's a 25 hours of Windows 95 ASMR video that I don't need in my life. Okay, so this is the Windows Vista startup sound. Oh yeah, of course. Yes. I think... like the Windows ME startup sound, this might be the best part of Windows Vista. Yeah, I would agree with that. It's like a solid B, I think. I'd even maybe go as high as A on this one. I could see it.

Like it has it has like this flute thing or clarinet maybe at the beginning. I don't know what that is. And then the chimes and it sounds like rain. It's highly ethereal. Yeah. And pleasant. It's very of the time. It sounds green. Green is the color of Vista. It sounds like Arrow looks.

Is what it is, actually. Arrow being the visual motif of Windows Vista. But they could have gone with some tinkly sounds, like a modern Star Trek transporter, and they didn't. I respect that. Arrow's like smooth glass, though, and that sounded smooth. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's really good. Okay, sure. Yeah, I will. And Windows 7 has the same sound, it appears. I'm going to play it again just to make sure, but I think so, yeah. The notes here say that Windows 7 is the same as Vista, which...

Let's be real. Windows 7 is just better Vista, right? Yep. Same as Vista. Yep. Shoutouts to Windows 7. Yep. Getting it right. Windows 8 and 10 apparently have the same sound. Yeah, the 8 and 10 have the same. This is the logon sound, so you might want to disqualify this, Mr. I Suddenly Believe in Rules. Let's see. I'll be the judge of that. I don't think I've ever heard that before. Let me hear it a couple more times.

Yeah. Hmm. One more. I kind of like that. I wish I heard this more. I don't think I've ever heard it before in line, like in context. I don't think I've ever heard it. Unless I maybe sought it out. You know what's sad? That's pretty good. We'll get to this in a minute. I think this one's okay. I think it's a B. That's a B, sure. Yeah, that's a B. We'll call that the Windows 8 sound. Yeah, Windows 8 and 10, same thing.

Are you into Windows 11? Sure. Did you know that there's a Windows 11 startup sound? Absolutely not. Yeah. Oh, wait. No. Yes, I've heard that a million times. I guess I do hear that all the time. So this is the pre-release leak of the Windows 11 startup sound? Yeah, but I hear that, I guess, every day. If my speakers are on, I do. If your speakers are on, yeah. The problem is my headphones are never on when I turn on the computer.

And I don't have speakers. I do hear that frequently. It's okay. It's nothing remarkable. It's not offensive, but it's not B or C to me. Here's another one. It's the same one. It's okay. Yeah, I think it's inoffensive at best. I would give it a B. The thing I found is that Windows 11 no longer has an option to set your own startup sound.

you can turn the startup sound on and off in the sound control panel but you can't put your own thing in there anymore that's terrible so you can't have like five minutes of waluigi farting or whatever nonsense you want in there anymore i'm demoting it to a c for that reason also i think the windows 8 one is better and that's a b so

I think the Windows 8 and Windows Vista slash 7 ones are both better. Did we put Vista and 7 at A? Vista is at A. Okay, perfect. Windows 8 is at B, which seems right to me. Should we do a recap? Because we haven't done that in a minute.

what our tiers are. There's a lot here. S tier is Macintosh, Windows 95, Dreamcast, GameCube, original Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, Game Boy, and PSP. Okay. A tier is PlayStation 1, Windows 3.1, Japanese Saturn, Windows XP, Nintendo DS, and Windows Vista. B tier is the ARM Macintosh. PlayStation 5, Windows NT 4.0, Windows ME, Game Boy Advance, 3DS, and Windows 8. C tier is... Oh, they are different, aren't they? Windows 3.1.1. Mm-hmm.

Saturn US, the High Saturn, PlayStation 2, the Kinect Xbox 360 update, and Windows 11. D is the Apple E-Mate, original Xbox, Windows 98, and PlayStation Vita. We're going to get a lot of hate about that Windows 98 one, I think. People like the Windows 98 one. There's no accounting for taste. That's true. That's all I can say.

Do you want to go back up to consoles? Yeah, I think we could. Can we just do the rest of the consoles? Because these are all practically nothing to me with a couple exceptions. I mean, there's just not much there is what I mean. Like this is the era where. the console boot up animation kind of went out of fashion fully they still put them in they kept putting them in there well okay let's see what we got okay xbox one is i guess where i'm going to start sure yes

PS4, Xbox One came out within like a month of each other. Yeah, like within a week. Yeah. Oh, it did still have that, right? I guess. Yeah. Was that at launch? I don't remember because they did update that thing. This has the green background. GameSpot says this is the one from 2013. Okay, you're right. I do remember that. I think this was the point where it felt like the...

The console boot up animation was basically just what they used on the commercials, which I was going to say, yeah, it's just the brand ID from the commercials at this point. It felt kind of gross at that point. I think this one's fine. I think this has none of the charm of the Xbox 360 and none of the weird grunge of the Xbox of the original Xbox. Yeah. Yeah. Where do we put the original Xbox? Original Xbox is a D.

I think, you know what? I think that original Xbox should be a C and this should be a D. It's short. There's no up. There's no uplifting. There's nothing making me excited about using this. Sure. Oops. Yeah, I can get behind that. You almost removed Windows 11 from the list entirely there. Okay, so next up is the PS4, I guess? Because the Wii U came out the next spring, I think, right? No, the Wii U came out before the PS4. Oh, okay. So then I guess we should do the Wii U next.

It's good that you remember this stuff. I don't remember the Wii U sound. Well, so this is the other thing that happened at this period is that this is when the console started staying on all the time. So we started having consoles that would suspend. And you didn't boot them very often. So you didn't ever hear the boot sounds anymore. Yes. Wii U did not, though. Here we go. I think Wii U was the last console that did not suspend.

Logos still on the screen. No menus. Is it? Yeah. What was on the controller, though, is the question. But that's impossible to say because you couldn't capture that thing. The controller may very well... That is menu music or sound in my memory, but I could be wrong. That's a startup sound right there. And that hits as it transitions from Nintendo to Wii U.

I guess so. Man. It's real ping-pong-y. Yeah, you're right. Okay, you're right. Yeah. I think this one's pretty good. It's okay. It's no Wii. It's okay. We doesn't have a startup sound. We've established these disqualified wronged, horribly wronged. I mean, you can't be disqualified when you're not eligible in the first place. Oh boy. Here we go. That's a C. I think this is a.

At least a B, maybe an A. Okay, B at best. Wow. It feels way too reminiscent of the Wii. Longstanding GameSpot anti-Nintendo bias here. Yep, that's right. No, I like the Wii. I still have my Wii U hooked up. You didn't get a Wii, but you got a Wii U. I forgot. Well, the Wii U played Wii games. That's true. The Wii U is just a superset of the Wii.

and you could plug your gamecube controllers into that right too yep and you can these days you can hack it to play gamecube games really oh yeah i didn't know that um okay so wii u is uh

B, we said? Yeah, I will concede that one. Okay. Okay. Generous. So generous of you. You want to do PS4 next? Yeah, but is there literally anything at all? Well, you're going to have to listen. Oh, I know where this is going. I know where you're going with this. Okay, it's playing. PlayStation logo's up? Yeah, right. That's very telling, isn't it? Is PlayStation logo still up?

Now it says, welcome back to PlayStation. That's menu and login music. That music continues after you log in. That music plays forever. But when you're signed in this thing, that's a startup sound, right? It's not. That's the menu music. You're not on the menu. You're on the Welcome Back to PlayStation at that point. Yeah, but again, it seamlessly transitions into playing forever in the menus. But like we're look, I don't think it counts. I don't think.

What was the other one that we had that had a seamless transition and we allowed it? I can't remember. Maybe PS5. PS5 is the one you're talking about. That one is a little more discreet. This is a startup ass startup sound right here. i'll give it to you i don't agree because again that music just it just keeps playing forever but then it goes into just a like a hum at the end it doesn't there's and then you also have that

I think this is a startup sound. I think this is like, if you're going to say anything, it's too spread out. Okay. Okay. Sure. Because they have that opening bit. They don't have anything when the PS logo goes up, which is like minus several million points for me. This sounds like a C to me.

Yeah, I'll give it a C. C's good. Okay. Okay. Xbox One X. This is a weird one. See, these are all consoles that you were like, oh, these don't have startup sounds. No, the Xbox One X 100% does. Yeah. It's hilarious. Okay. I don't know if I've ever heard this one before. The One X is the PlayStation 4 Pro equivalent. You know, it was the souped-up Xbox that came out mid-generation. Yeah, no, I remember. I just want to shout out GameSpot. I think this is a Lucy video from like five years ago. Oh.

that nobody else actually captured. There's a million videos of people pointing their phone at their TV and capturing Xbox startup sounds and hardly anybody actually captured them. So thank you for doing the work over there. Yep. I think this one's very funny because yeah, it's so long. Like there's this to the brand ID. There's this long ass animation. You can't see it listening to an audio podcast of like,

The SoC inside the Xbox One X. Yeah. This is great. They full on built a video into this thing that just shows you like hardware inside the Xbox. And the chip has 4K written on it, just like every 4K chip does. Aren't there some swooshy or exploding energy kind of effects? Yeah, there's particle effects coming towards you. It's very grandiose. It's very, hey, you just bought the most powerful console on the planet.

Oh, they show the traces going into the chip and then light explodes out of the SOC. It's pretty good. But as an audio thing? It's not. Solid. seats here. It's just a whoosh followed by the standard Xbox one on a brand ID stinger. It does have the upswing, the lift though. Yeah. I mean, that's just the same at the end.

Following with the normal brand stingers kind of feels like resource. Is this even distinct enough to rank? I guess it is. I think this has to be ranked. But again, the sound at the end is the same as the regular Xbox One. Yeah, I think this is like a C or a D maybe. I don't know. A regular Xbox One is a D. I will give this one a bump for being funny.

It's weird that they decided to show the guts of the computer. Yeah. And it looks like they used an actual chip because it has like all the little guys on the side of it and everything. much like the PS3 I will award points for if not arrogance at least audacity doing something weird well not weird so much as self important

Fair. Because again, this is very much going, hey, look at the insanely powerful hardware in this console you just bought. So what's next? The Switch probably? Yeah. There's nothing there. Hold on. This is... This is where we're in the brand ID or startup sound category again. So here it is. Seven seconds. Oh, wait, hang on. Yeah. Are we literally, I mean, are you playing it?

No, I haven't started yet. The reason I said, are we literally considering the snap as the startup sound here? That's the startup sound. Well, it doesn't even do it every time, though. Does it? Is it not? No, it does not. Absolutely does not. Also, I don't know what that is, but that is not. That's the first place. The first time you set up a new Switch, you get that sound and then never again. Yeah, that's a different thing. But it does not even make the snap. Because I just set up my Switch 2.

Well, that's a Switch, too. That's a different console. Yeah, but I'm saying they do the snap on initial setup. You get the red screen with the logo snapping and the sound effect on first boot, first configuration. Forever after it is just white Nintendo logo on black background with no sound. Boo. No, no, like does not qualify. Nothing there. Wow. What happened? What happened to the Nintendo that made the GameCube? Yeah, right.

Is all I can ask. So I guess we don't need to talk about the Switch 2 then. Nope, there's nothing there. Hold on, I'm going to do it just for clarity. I mean, it's like... Yep. I just heard that the other day. That's fucking great. I wish it did this every single time. And then the way they animated all the little icons at the bottom of the menu. It sounds like a goofy-ass little toy marching band. It's great.

I found the Switch 2 onboarding to be very pleasant, both in functionality and kind of aesthetic vibe. Yeah. They clearly pay a lot of attention to that. It's too bad they don't pay more attention to their startup sounds. Yeah, I don't know why they stopped doing that stuff. I don't know. Maybe because they think it's like a tablet.

handheld device now and not a game? I don't know. It doesn't make sense. Okay, so I guess we're on our last console device now. The Xbox Series X. Yeah, which is okay. It's alright. Let's have it. It's a little too long for what it's doing. Just a tad. Oh, there was Lucy. Sorry. I think this is better than everything but the Xbox 360. Yeah, sure. Yes, I can get behind that. I think it's pretty good. Like I said, it overstays its welcome just a bit.

Look, we're hard on the Xbox here. We don't have any, the Xbox 360 is an S tier and then everything else is C or D. Like the 360 is the one generation where they had like a really strong, unified, likable brand identity. I think this is a B probably, right? Yeah, sure. Sure. Because it's better than that Kinect one. Yeah. And it's definitely better than the One X, which is weird. Yep. Yep. It's not bad. Yeah. It's okay. I was happy to see it. I'll put it that way.

Yeah. When I got a Series X, I was happy to see that they had brought back some kind of visual flair and sound. A thing that makes you excited to turn on your console. So we're done with consoles, except that I pasted the analog.

Oh, you want to pop those in here? I don't know if these should be official tier list rankings. I don't know. Well, just... Dude, they got fucking people for these, though. Yeah, but, like, I feel like... I feel like getting people for these is a little bit of a niche that like, you know, it's very analog. It's very analog to go find like famous chip.

Oh, Square. They got fucking Square Pusher. Square Pusher and Phil? The sound. Phil Fish did the animation. Square Pusher did the sound for the Super NT. God damn. That's good. That's good. That's good. I think this is a whole different league though. Yeah. I don't. You absolutely don't have to hand it to analog. I will say no, but that's really good. This is a thing you're not going to get from your mister.

is all I'm saying. No, definitely not. Although I bet you could probably download the video and then play it on your mister and then you do have it on your mister. It's arguably a little bit counter to the spirit of the SNES where you just turn it on and it's playing a game instantly. Also, it's really long. That's what I mean. It's great. It's great. It's great.

It's perhaps a bit self-indulgent to be that long for a console or a cartridge-based system where you're supposed to just get in there and be playing. It's super good, though. It's very good. Maybe we don't rank the analog ones because they're all different also. Yeah. Do you want to do the, let's see, there's the Sega Mega SG, which is a Sega one. Yeah, here's this one. Who I'm not familiar with.

It's pretty good. Also too long. That's good though. And I feel like I'm picking up the aesthetic preferences of people at analog a little bit too much here. Like they might be a little too into glitch art or something. Maybe. Is my feeling here. I mean, look, they hired Phil to do the graphics for a reason. Right? Yeah. Like, it's definitely got Fez vibes. The whole thing has Fez vibes. Yeah, kind of. Sure.

I might've been wrong about disaster piece. I don't see them on there. Yeah. I only see those two. I don't see any others on their list of videos. there's, well, the, um, NC mini, I believe at the top or the mini noir. Oh, okay. I'll do that one. That was, that was, that's, that's...

That's Luke Vibert. I've never known. Is it Vibert? I always said it, Luke Vibert. I don't know if it's, is it Vibert or something? I have no idea. He's, he's, I don't remember where I even know him from. He's like a pretty old school electronic music artist of note.

Uh, now I'm trying to find a pronunciation of his name cause I feel like an idiot if I got it wrong. Okay. I found a video of him saying his name. It is Luke fiber. Okay. Uh, anyway, like a point being analog really like went for it in picking people to do these sounds. I think they're all pretty good. Yeah, I think they're all great. Can we go to Team Mini Noir one more time? This is real John Carpenter vibes. Kind of, yeah. I think all of these are like three to five seconds too long. Yeah.

They all need to be just a tad bit shorter, but it's okay. Anyway, I'm going to say let's not rank these, but it's cool that Analog puts this kind of effort into these things. Their hardware is really nice looking and sounding. Agreed. I also have a handful of esoteric things. Okay. I grabbed the, well, BOS R4 shipped about six different startup sounds. Weird.

And I think you could choose. So I'm going to play them now. This is release 4.5, I guess. Yeah, is the R just released there, I assume? The R is for release, yeah. Whoa. Okay. That one's called 12 string start or 12 STR start. I assume the STR is for string. I'll play it one more time for you. That sounds like a 12 string situation. For sure. Yeah. Cool.

I think it's just somebody strummed a guitar. That's pretty good. I like that. I think that's the default one that was B Startup, that last one. That one's a little generic. Yep. This next one is called Darkstart, I think. Yeah, Darkstart is next. I like Darkstart a lot. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yes. Quite good. Yeah. This is flaying arrival start. Do you mean flange?

flange it doesn't have an e though it's just flaying okay this is good vibes yeah this is strong work and this one is new world 3 and you That one's a little generic for me, but I'd say four. Hang on. They just keep coming. How many are there? There's a bunch. That was Rising Start. I don't think we should rank these, but I think they're...

There's some strong stuff in there, though. Dark Start is incredible. Dark Start, I need to pull off of a BOS disk and install it on my current computer. Like half of those are really quality stuff, actually. It makes sense because they had audio processing at an era when audio processing was a little hinky on the PC, especially. They were all about media production and playback, right? Yeah, and some of those were R5s as well, it looks like. So like the Rising Start and...

I think everything after Dark Start was from R5, but I'm not 100% on that. Okay. And then I also have OS2 Warp 4. For OS2. Which had a start sound. Okay. You ready? I maybe you should brace yourself. We should rank this one. Okay. Welcome to innitrode home of software. Wait. Is that a reference I'm not getting? No, it's just, it's just, it sounds like every, like, like if you went to a PC conference in like 1999, there would be people saying there'd be a video like that with like some, some.

video toaster graphics on it that was like innitrode pc software we'll turbocharge your business and then it would play this sound but it's not bad It's just very gacky. It's fine. The first time I heard that is exactly what I expected an OS2 startup sound to sound like. It sounds like exactly what an operating system made by IBM would do. It sounds like...

It sounds like Docker's look. Sure. Yeah. I think that's a solid C or D probably for me. I could see a C and it's not offensive. It's just, but it's not especially, uh, and that's no E mate. And that, that makes our C. tier, the biggest tier, which I feel like is appropriate. Yeah, it feels right. It feels right. I think that's it. I think that's everything. Yeah, that's a pretty solid amount of ranking that we have done here. We've ranked. We came. We saw. We ranked.

I hope we triumphed. I hope people aren't yelling at their radios too, too much in the car. Yeah, probably not. Should we recap one more time? Yeah, I think we should do one more down the list. Okay. All right, I'll just read them off. Yeah, let's have it. Once again. S tier, Macintosh, Windows 95, Dreamcast, GameCube, Original 3, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, Game Boy, and PSP. A tier, PlayStation 1, Windows 3.1.

Japanese Saturn, Windows XP, Nintendo DS, Windows Vista. Are we sure about that Windows 3.1 in the A tier? I mean, I can move it to S if you want. No, no, that is not the way I was suggesting we should move it. Then there it stays. Wow. Okay. Light in the sand. B. Arm, Macintosh, PlayStation 5, Windows NT 4.0, Windows ME, N2K, Game Boy Advance, 3DS. Windows 8, Wii U, and Xbox Series X and S. C tier, Windows 3.11, American Saturn, Hitachi High Saturn, PlayStation 2, Xbox 360, Kinect update.

Windows 11, Xbox, like original one, PlayStation 4, Xbox One X, and OS 2. It's OS 2 Warp R4. Thank you. Probably important. I don't know if... Was warp warp was a name that they use across versions, right? Wasn't there a warp three and a warp four warp denoted something, but I have no idea what it was. Okay. D tier.

The Apple E-Mate, the Xbox One, Windows 98, and the PlayStation Vita. That's a real dregs. Fine crop of... terrible startup sounds hey at least they had a startup sound you know what the f tier should go to the we and and uh and the switch switch and the stuff that doesn't actually have startup sounds what is nintendo doing man i don't get it i do not get it

they once ruled this world and now the question is do we need to rank the s tier stuff i don't think so you don't think so that's that's if people want that right in Yeah, that's practically a whole other episode. I mean, that's eight. That's eight sounds. That's practically a top ten. And I would have a hard time ranking those, actually. But it might be one as many five at the top.

I think for me, it would come down to Windows 95 or the GameCube. Maybe the 360 sound has an outside chance there, but I don't think anything else hangs. I don't know. Dreamcast has got swagger. Yeah. But like, if you play that right next to the GameCube sound, you're going to be like, yeah, that's fine. I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Well, look, if people want to hear more about this, we'll get back to it. Yeah, exactly.

And with that, another possibly ill-advised ranking project comes to an end. Well, hey, it's in the books, you know? Question mark. Maybe there's more ranking. Maybe we missed a whole category of things. Maybe we could rank microwave beeping sounds. What is it like to just affect confidence all the time? I don't. I used to feel like that when I was younger and the older I get, the less confident I am all the time. Here we are sitting here just kind of like.

Hedging our bets in case people didn't like this ranking. Like, what is it like to be the type of person who just speaks very highly of everything you do all the time? I think I think there's a happy balance, probably. Sure. Like, like. I feel pretty confident in our decisions with this ranking. I went back into the tier list when we recorded the intros and outros. I was like, yeah, I can get behind most of this. I don't know about that.

I don't know. I'm looking at the list. Maybe the Windows 3.1 startup sound, I think we left too high, but you know. Yeah, sure. I mean, look, okay, look, there was a lot of nostalgia in that placement, but look, if my career has taught me anything, if there's one thing I am confident in, it's... placement of items on a list over time. A little self-deprecation can be humanizing, right? But too much is probably a little grading.

That's true. And I think the other thing that we did talk about maybe doing, but we haven't done is actually ordering the S tier stuff. I think that's a whole other episode though. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, can you really pit the Dreamcast opening? I don't have the tier list in front of me. GameCube or Windows 95? Yes, I think you can. I think that there's some that are better than others in here for sure. I came around. Came around is the wrong wording because I never disliked it.

The Dreamcast one really went up in my estimation a lot in the course of that episode. The Dreamcast one's real good. Like I had a Dreamcast and I didn't realize how good we had it back then. The GameCube though. That GameCube one, that's a top tier console. Frankly, those are both pieces of art to me. Yeah. Dreamcast and GameCube boot up animations are both little tiny bite-sized pieces of art. Where's Danny O'Dwyer's...

10-week series on each of these. I guess we have eight on the list, but where's his breakdown on how the Dreamcast startup sound had? I want to hear who made it. I want to hear who was in the room when they decided what it was going to be.

I wanted to find out who made that terrible Sega Dreamcast logo. Wait, what? Oh, no, Sega Saturn logo was the bad one. The Dreamcast logo was good. Yeah, memorable. I don't know what this says about me, but I would watch an hour documentary on each one of these. sounds animations now the internet's going to tell us where they are they're probably already made um but yeah uh thanks everybody for listening thanks for supporting the show if you have feedback you can go post in the discord um

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