Winter Ice, The Curling Expert, and AI on Fire

[SPEAKER_00]: And now, it's the better with bourbon podcast, with Brad Martno, and Deacon Palmer, fast-thinking, and smooth-drinking. [SPEAKER_02]: The views in opinion shared on the better with bourbon podcast are our own, and those of our guests. [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing we discussed should be taken as financial, legal, business, or gambling advice. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make investment, business, or betting decisions based on our conversations as you should always talk to a qualified professional.

[SPEAKER_02]: Always drink responsibly, never drink and drive, and only consume alcohol if you are of legal drinking age. [SPEAKER_04]: Come on, I mean, what's wrong with you? [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it's the percentage of moisture in there. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I said when I came home from college one year, my father asked me that. [SPEAKER_04]: And I got, I give you, I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: He said, no, it's the sweat that accumulates in your balls when you're fucking in your sister-in-law.

[SPEAKER_08]: I wrote it. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I think I'm going to do that for you. [SPEAKER_05]: That's a good way to start dish it is. [SPEAKER_07]: All right. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, hey, welcome. [SPEAKER_07]: Welcome everybody. [SPEAKER_07]: Welcome, Mitchell. [SPEAKER_07]: It's better with Bourbon here. [SPEAKER_07]: We're fast-fast-thinking meet smooth drinking episode 5. [SPEAKER_07]: Today is the 17th of February, 2026. [SPEAKER_07]: We're in Indiana, Pennsylvania.

[SPEAKER_07]: In the better with Bourbon media studios, how you live in today, Bradley? [SPEAKER_07]: Living good? [SPEAKER_08]: Living good, it feels like spring outside. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't thought about golfing. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_07]: First day, above 50 degrees we've had, and probably it's literally been about six, eight weeks, but I think we might have had one day above 50.

[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, it felt like you could run around with your pants off today, just because the sun came out for about 15 minutes. [SPEAKER_08]: was that what you were doing on your walk this morning? [SPEAKER_07]: Heck yeah, I mean, yeah, the walk was definitely brisk today. [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't slow and planting. [SPEAKER_07]: I was really trying to get after today. [SPEAKER_07]: We both have some pencil vending gear on. [SPEAKER_08]: What's your gear? [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, we do.

[SPEAKER_08]: I got this representing Robert Morris University tonight. [SPEAKER_08]: They got a beautiful new sweatshirt that I just have to fill a head to bring on the air. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you, Pennsylvania, for having more. [SPEAKER_07]: So what's the connection with Robert Morris? [SPEAKER_08]: a couple good friends Chris King. [SPEAKER_08]: One of the long-time friends also a great friend of any Edwards. [SPEAKER_08]: That's how I met Chris.

[SPEAKER_08]: Back in the day and become really good friends with their president Michelle and and got to have cigars here tonight with a few of the few of the guys that was awesome. [SPEAKER_07]: Excellent, actually. [SPEAKER_07]: Getting out. [SPEAKER_07]: getting out in the community, seeing people pressing the flesh, what we'd like to do. [SPEAKER_07]: Mine's not nearly as elevated.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is just, you know, everybody's favorite rock and roll station here in D.V. [SPEAKER_07]: 102.5 WDV. [SPEAKER_07]: E rock in the bird for over 50 years. [SPEAKER_07]: He's got it. [SPEAKER_07]: Did you fall in and win that or what? [SPEAKER_07]: No, I just I always wanted one and I He bought it like 30 years ago. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mentioned to Alicia like a little while ago. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like I never I was always wanted one and I never had one.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, she actually remembered and picked it up. [SPEAKER_07]: I think this was a this was like a like a like a 47th birthday present or something like that. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah solid right. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's awesome.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we're drinking. [SPEAKER_07]: We're drinking this week. [SPEAKER_07]: We already got the whiskey open this week. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to do a little different. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to put the whiskey up front. [SPEAKER_07]: Better with bourbon is found in around the idea that everything we do is better with bourbon we've had a bourbon every week.

[SPEAKER_07]: Weeks one and two we accidentally had the same bottle Angel send me had do since we didn't Make the cut our our our critique of angels and be the first time so we had to do it again Yeah, we were so we were so so spot on with our craft week one. [SPEAKER_07]: We actually cut out the bourbon segment so [SPEAKER_07]: week two, we recreated that, had angels send me again, we three Rowan's Creek, which Eddie brought on.

[SPEAKER_07]: That was a new favorite at a really reasonable price point. [SPEAKER_07]: And then last week, the four roses, small batch select, which was super yummy, I think. [SPEAKER_07]: So this week, we're doing, um, [SPEAKER_07]: The Bobby Jones Clover Collection, Bourbon Whiskey, right? [SPEAKER_07]: This is a whiskey that is not one I've heard of before. [SPEAKER_07]: I had to do a little dig into it to learn about this guy. [SPEAKER_07]: Would we get this one, Bradley?

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it was first introduced to me by a really great friend Greg Seapus. [SPEAKER_08]: He often travels down to South Carolina. [SPEAKER_08]: uh... it's just it's actually distilled up here up north in indiana but bottled and uh... stored down in north garland is so you can only buy it i i believe in those states my correct varies that [SPEAKER_05]: I think so. [SPEAKER_05]: I ordered that online. [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, that's it. [SPEAKER_08]: So you really can't get this.

[SPEAKER_05]: I had it to bourbon club last year. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think it's not contraband. [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it would. [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I don't think. [SPEAKER_08]: No, probably not. [SPEAKER_08]: Still take it. [SPEAKER_08]: Still take it. [SPEAKER_08]: It's still taste pretty good. [SPEAKER_08]: But it has a, has a great golf theme to when we talk about the Bobby Jones name. [SPEAKER_08]: It's much like Arnold Palmer.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's legendary. [SPEAKER_08]: It's, it's, it's gentleman. [SPEAKER_08]: It all goes a bourbon, right? [SPEAKER_08]: So, [SPEAKER_07]: Well, what going for it doesn't like a, doesn't like a sip of the 19th hole. [SPEAKER_07]: I understand the Bobby Jones was known specifically for saying he wanted to enjoy three fingers at whiskey after his after his standard ground three fingers. [SPEAKER_07]: And of course, that's a healthy poor.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm looking at, I mean, three fingers is to the top of the ice cube. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that's, it's, it's a professional. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a great change for a professional drinker. [SPEAKER_08]: Great standard. [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody's really gone back on that one. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's not in this group. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and the Clover, the Clover has some symbolism here as well.

[SPEAKER_07]: My understanding is that he had a medallion that was a gift of his dear old mothers, that he carried with him for every competitive round of golf he ever played after she gave it to him until he quit playing. [SPEAKER_07]: So that's why the Clover, which I thought was kind of nice. [SPEAKER_08]: That's an awesome story. [SPEAKER_08]: And boy, that was lucky Clover since he did one of the first grand slam. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there's the Mrs. Jones.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_08]: I wonder where that Clover is today. [SPEAKER_05]: I would be right there on the table in front of you. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's that's true. [SPEAKER_08]: But that lucky global I mean that that I would like to find that one. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_08]: It's kind of like the leprechaun movie We got to we got to find the find the gold, you know. [SPEAKER_08]: What do you get here anything? [SPEAKER_08]: Anything notable?

[SPEAKER_08]: Pretty smooth. [SPEAKER_08]: It's not it's not hot. [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's not it's very smooth. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's only what 97 proof. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my share. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, 92. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, 92. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, 92. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's it's down on the on the lower side, so it's it's it's a nice smooth drink [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, for a small batch whiskey, that's not all, that's not all that hot, but it is, it finishes nice and sweet in the back.

[SPEAKER_07]: And you get a little fruit, a little bit of spice, nothing overly chemically. [SPEAKER_07]: No, nothing, nothing weird in there like forced floor. [SPEAKER_07]: I look at you, you get somebody like, I get the truffle in forced floor. [SPEAKER_08]: It's not only dirty golf sucks. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, dirty golf. [SPEAKER_05]: It almost tastes like a rye. [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of spicy like a rye. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, okay, Perry, Perry's a rye drinker.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, he says he's got, he gets a little bit of a rye finish in there. [SPEAKER_08]: Yep. [SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't get a rise out of things once we talk about a riser just right right singular. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, got you. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's nice. [SPEAKER_07]: That's nice. [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, so listen, let's take a drink. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's stoke the fire. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's reload on this.

[SPEAKER_07]: We come back. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to talk maybe a little bit of sports, a little bit of AI this week. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we definitely have to talk about sports. [SPEAKER_08]: We got the Olympics in full gear. [SPEAKER_08]: And it's it's time to get caught up. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and we got we get a very special, very special.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, [SPEAKER_07]: Special guest this week, Body of Mind, who is as far as we know it in the world's foremost expert in curling that is not already working on TV this week, it's going to come on and educate us on the ins and outs of curling. [SPEAKER_07]: Jordan Paul is going to be joining us from the nation's capital, our first dial-in guest here at the Better With Barbon. [SPEAKER_07]: Fantastic. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so we're going to take a break.

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[SPEAKER_07]: And we're back where fast-thinking meets smooth drink in. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to talk a little sports today, huh? [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you want to start with golf? [SPEAKER_07]: I think we should start with golf. [SPEAKER_07]: There was a big week in and golf. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so this week in the PGA tour, tour stop AT&T, a Pebble Beach Pro M, which is obviously at the links with Pebble Beach.

[SPEAKER_07]: I was fortunate enough to get to spend a few days of pebble beach in November. [SPEAKER_07]: It was awesome. [SPEAKER_07]: It's not going to lie. [SPEAKER_08]: That's right. [SPEAKER_08]: You did get out there every time. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Any time you get to go out there is awesome, particularly when it's on somebody else's dime. [SPEAKER_07]: But you can imagine how that must have felt for Colin Morekawa.

[SPEAKER_07]: who won after a two and a half year hiatus he had won two and a half years. [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't realize that, but it was especially sweet for the Moracawa family because They had just announced they have a baby on the way very special. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, although I thought the bigger winner was Keegan Bradley and his amateur partner [SPEAKER_07]: Right. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: What's money. [SPEAKER_07]: Mary Meeker.

[SPEAKER_07]: Did you I actually funny you said so more Carla 3.6 million for the win. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe more interestingly, Keegan Bradley and his partner Mary Meeker when the pro am. [SPEAKER_07]: So I had some questions about this. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Who is Mary Meeker? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Marty. [SPEAKER_04]: That's great. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Mary Meeker is, um, [SPEAKER_07]: 90s internet guru, she was a big time at Morgan Stanley back when web 1.0 was going public and it does significant work on Google Amazon and NetScape deals when she was part of the investment bank there, then left. [SPEAKER_07]: and joined VC firm Clienter Perkins and started doing this thing called the Internet Trends Report, which is essentially like a newsletter for Silicon Valley and so on. [SPEAKER_07]: Always the question right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, we're the call. [SPEAKER_07]: I'll let it. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to send her a taxi. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's see if we know what time she'll pick up the phone. [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, so she, um, but yeah, Cloner Perkins, she has her hands on everything. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, Spotify, Airbnb, Square, Instacart. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, um, beautiful. [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, so I was also interested in understanding. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, so I guess very respected.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I don't know what the connection was between she and Keegan Bradley other than they both have double E's in their name, Meker and Keegan. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but he so he finished 29th which is good for a cool 125k for him for the weekend, which isn't bad. [SPEAKER_08]: But after the duty tax in California, [SPEAKER_08]: with the net equation on that. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_07]: I was, I wanted to know what, what did he pick up for winning the pro am?

[SPEAKER_07]: I thought it would be something more impressive than what it was. [SPEAKER_07]: Any any guess, Perry? [SPEAKER_07]: What do you think they, they tack on his regular pay check 1205k? [SPEAKER_07]: What's he get for winning the pro am? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, no, it's 15 grand. [SPEAKER_07]: 15 grand? [SPEAKER_05]: The pro doesn't pay the [SPEAKER_08]: Right, seriously, 15 grand.

[SPEAKER_08]: It probably has to stay underneath the amateur level since it's really kind of playing with an amateur. [SPEAKER_07]: I guess, but I mean, but she is definitely just ladies. [SPEAKER_07]: I know amateur. [SPEAKER_07]: She is above all the way around. [SPEAKER_05]: She's clearly clearly. [SPEAKER_07]: She has a golf game which I love. [SPEAKER_05]: She probably thinks more than that in one hour. [SPEAKER_07]: Probably, I mean, seriously. [SPEAKER_07]: She's right.

[SPEAKER_07]: She headed. [SPEAKER_07]: She's taking a hit coming out, playing for the day. [SPEAKER_07]: But just visit and back on what we talked about last week, remember Chris got her up one last week, second win, hottest player in the game. [SPEAKER_07]: So Thursday opens up at Pebble. [SPEAKER_07]: Dude shows up after winning last week and Bertie's six in a row. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's a double beach. [SPEAKER_08]: That's called a hot streak. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you're on fire.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, this kid obviously is in the zone, [SPEAKER_08]: God I love I've never been there, you know, then then maybe once or twice in basketball and that was like a fluke, but to be there in that zone, you know, and he hasn't Indian a connection to it. [SPEAKER_08]: Do you know that? [SPEAKER_08]: No, what is so Matt Haluda, yeah, a good friend Chris alluded to son, played at Rutgers and sort of got her up and they played together. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so, you know, it's it's really cool to see, you know, [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that that one degree of separation coming into play and now making a huge splash on the PGA. [SPEAKER_07]: Homeboy is number five in the world rankings, so here's two. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, in Mac could be right there too. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, he's that good. [SPEAKER_08]: He is really good, you know. [SPEAKER_07]: It's just that sometimes it's timing.

[SPEAKER_07]: We've got to bounce this way, when blows this one. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's right. [SPEAKER_07]: Which that one. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: So here's two here's two are [SPEAKER_08]: There's another story that we have to talk about, too, that came out of golf this morning. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, what else you got? [SPEAKER_08]: And it's more of a, one of those feel good. [SPEAKER_08]: And he played really good golf.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not trying to take away the fact that he played great golf because he beat, you know, Bryson and he beat John Rom, shot 2300, but Anthony Kim. [SPEAKER_07]: But you're talking live. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm talking live. [SPEAKER_08]: I know, it's not the, and it's not the traditional tour. [SPEAKER_08]: But, you know, he, he disappeared from the, the, Hey, you're right on Kim? [SPEAKER_08]: He disappeared right from, [SPEAKER_08]: That's what you get for having.

[SPEAKER_08]: He disappeared for a distance, just like our club or disappeared off the script there. [SPEAKER_08]: The permanent parameters for this thing and I was like, yeah, and he was having some hard, he was having struggles. [SPEAKER_08]: He hasn't come out and said exactly what he had. [SPEAKER_08]: He said he has some addiction issues, he was, he was, you know, fighting that, he said some of the folks that were closest to him were taking advantage of him.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so he fought back and he really kind of went dark for a while and he fought back came back on to the live tour that was his first and maybe his only ability to come back and play golf at that point because the PJ may have been out of reach. [SPEAKER_08]: And here he is one of his very first golf shots on the first tournament back was a shank and he's a big believer in the 1% getting better 1% 1% so you [SPEAKER_07]: if he's got gotten all the way back there yet.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, and that's one of the questions that's floating around today on the, you know, it does, does he have an income to qualify? [SPEAKER_08]: So, let's see, maybe it does and I would like to see him, you know, playing on the big stage with, with everybody. [SPEAKER_07]: Well that's not that's so blushing. [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for bringing it up. [SPEAKER_07]: I always point on how much money everybody made Bradley here brings it back down to earth to choose money.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well he made four million. [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't like it. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't believe it had the California tax either. [SPEAKER_08]: He was done in Australia so much with that man. [SPEAKER_08]: It means. [SPEAKER_08]: But

[SPEAKER_07]: All right, so, uh, Olympics, right, uh, metal count, metal counts so far in the Olympics. [SPEAKER_07]: We got Norway, um, and this is, uh, gold silver bronze, 1379 for total of 29 Italy home country best showing ever for a home country in the winter Olympics. [SPEAKER_07]: I, I've come to understand.

[SPEAKER_07]: eight gold for silver eleven bronze total of twenty three USA comes in third with six eight five for a total of nineteen remember I set up kind of a straw man USA against Canada when we started early on Canada is not even at the top then there are there are three gold [SPEAKER_07]: four silver five bronze for total of twelve. [SPEAKER_07]: They're not even not even on the top ten which is which is weird Can it just happen a rough a rough go?

[SPEAKER_07]: It's gonna come down to the talkie. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's gonna come down to the hockey game Really it's gonna be that's gonna be our they're pretty dope wouldn't it wouldn't be awesome if we could just get in position It just play spoiler. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's just I mean, that's obviously where everybody's going right now But I was shocked that didn't you got the captain of a Canadian team? [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I mean, he I mean, he's yeah, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: You were shocked right? [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, right? [SPEAKER_05]: Well, there was some there that was actually some controversy there because of

[SPEAKER_05]: uh... conmic david a lot of people thought but i mean that's not the criteria that you used to choose the captain you that's character leadership things like that but that's not against mc david but i make david would never he would never allow himself to be called out and if uh... if sitting he were playing yeah i agree yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a difference between them and all the other they're solid everything i'm pretty sure i'm pretty good yeah well i mean he's that was that was a line

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right, he's he's definitely all pro all pro and a mustache department. [SPEAKER_07]: I had I myself had a really great shave today. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if the lights I was I was again I was I was Motivated by that that skate and kids skin care regime. [SPEAKER_07]: I was trying to try to duplicate that. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I can't [SPEAKER_07]: quite get it. [SPEAKER_07]: I can't quite. [SPEAKER_08]: Did you reach out? [SPEAKER_07]: No, I mean, he's busy right now.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he's still, he's still, I think there's still over there.

[SPEAKER_07]: Hey, there's funny thing. [SPEAKER_07]: Speaking of still be over there. [SPEAKER_07]: Were you aware that they ran out of condoms? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: The village. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, did you, did you, did you get some of the stats on this? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: I heard the three hundred thousand that they had allocated in.

[SPEAKER_07]: And they, they had, no, they had, okay, in Paris, they had 300,000 condoms allocated. [SPEAKER_07]: And now that's, no, [SPEAKER_07]: But Italy's trying to save money only 10,000 condoms. [SPEAKER_07]: That's all they give. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they ran through that in the first three days. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that was gone the first night. [SPEAKER_05]: That was the happy old account of condoms. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_05]: Like a competition or what?

[SPEAKER_05]: Is that a metal event? [SPEAKER_05]: Like, can you with a metal net event? [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, but you know what, it's funny. [SPEAKER_07]: It's either, you know what, you definitely know that somebody was like, hey, I think there's a shortage. [SPEAKER_07]: So then everybody else is like stocking up just in case.

[SPEAKER_07]: right so you know are we're gonna talk about our curling team you know our curling team got a lot of like nerd like nerd star power with them I bet you those guys knocked up early because they knew they weren't gonna be done until late but we'll come back and talk about them in a minute right I just think the next Olympics in about 20 years is gonna be amazing the winner Olympics that is yeah why it was because there's no condoms

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so a couple other fun facts about the Olympic so far. [SPEAKER_07]: We mentioned Breezy Johnson in her gold medal before, but great name. [SPEAKER_07]: Come to find out that her boyfriend apparently proposed, hey, after she was like right there on the, on the, on the, off the, off the metal stand. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's beautiful. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: That's good timing.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, is there any better time than when you're coming off with gold? [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I guess not.

[SPEAKER_07]: I hope that I'm, she said yes, but apparently he, he's a [SPEAKER_07]: the words who are we to fight the alchemy on the on the the wedding band right so uh no word of a prenapped right yeah but uh for all you Swifties out there just just just now give me me behind them all uh you know it's not lost on me anyway you give a you've a favorite Taylor Swift song no I don't want to say you will you will soon because [SPEAKER_07]: Some of them are really good.

[SPEAKER_07]: You're going to shake it off every now and again. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so what else was fun? [SPEAKER_07]: This is great men's giant slalom skiing turns out of Brazilian guy one who'd have figured that right Brazilian dude wins giant slalom I mean how does hilarious how do they like to the they don't have snow there do that? [SPEAKER_05]: But I guess the mountain maybe I'll put I think I don't think I can go my friend Like ski resorts and Brazil I wait It is very athletic.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean they figure it out real quick [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that was fun. [SPEAKER_07]: And then we also had another one. [SPEAKER_07]: You've heard this guy Benjamin Carl. [SPEAKER_07]: This was this guy solidified. [SPEAKER_07]: He's the oldest gold medal winner in history at 40 years old. [SPEAKER_07]: He won this thing called the parallel giant slalom, which apparently is a snowboarding event.

[SPEAKER_07]: But took a shirt off and rolled around in the ice at 40 to celebrate the fact that he's the oldest. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I'm sure our listeners, the oldest gold medalist, I'm sure listeners have seen that Perry entered the double illusion and decided to, we rewrote the rules and tried to figure out the aerodynamics that gives them, you know, the cutting edge. [SPEAKER_05]: It turns out face to face works best. [SPEAKER_08]: A little bit.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a team play, you know? [SPEAKER_07]: I mean we call missionary is that a new event totally or is that just a variation on the same old I don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: It's made up right to man up made up Brad Martner event right exactly so so how about this the French judge who pulled the shenanigans in the ice dancing? [SPEAKER_07]: the French judge bombed our our Americans uh I guess uh yeah right but uh did you did you hear about this?

[SPEAKER_07]: Apparently the the French judge uh overscored the French pair that won the gold and underscored the U.S. pair that won the silver um and apparently this happened in the world championships as well and they still invited uh that's ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's time to bring in AI judges. [SPEAKER_05]: Well actually that's not a bad idea. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean [SPEAKER_07]: Honestly, I, you know, why would you not, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Why do we still have humans calling balls and strikes and MLBs? [SPEAKER_07]: Right, the error rate, the error rate. [SPEAKER_07]: So it's so high. [SPEAKER_07]: And it's so easy to fix. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, it's so easy to write totally. [SPEAKER_07]: So I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's, it's, I mean, does having a human line judge make a tennis match, a tennis match, or not event. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, the game would be different if there were no Empire stand-up back there. [SPEAKER_07]: Would you still have an [SPEAKER_04]: I think. [SPEAKER_04]: I used to watch tennis in the 70s just to watch Mac and Rose scream at them. [SPEAKER_04]: So the answer is no. [SPEAKER_08]: It was a short short card. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I know.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but I mean, A. I should absolutely be judging these things. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they're so subjective. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and there's too much on the line. [SPEAKER_07]: There is a sponsorship dollar yours. [SPEAKER_07]: And we got, yeah, and all of one says, yeah, and you can go across all sports on that. [SPEAKER_08]: You can go across, you know, basketball, you can go across football, dollar baseball,

[SPEAKER_07]: it all can be now a geofenced into the the i space and figured out you know well i you know some of the some of the performance um... from the NFL uh... NFL refs this year uh... would call for a i school is possible i mean it just well not just it's not just the fact that the rules change every year what's a catch what's not a catch what's the legal contact what's not illegal contact what's a personal balance not but i mean just

[SPEAKER_07]: So that's some damn rules and let's live by him for a couple of years. [SPEAKER_07]: What we trashable. [SPEAKER_08]: And then you think that the quick review by the automatic review that was going up was going to fix it and somewhat in a dent. [SPEAKER_08]: So you still feel as a fan that there's still some subjective play and you know, going on and that's it doesn't leave you with a good feeling especially if you're betting on the game. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right, yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_07]: And now that we're going to bet on everything apparently forever. [SPEAKER_07]: Again, some questions about some of these ons markets bets, people are starting to ask the same questions we're asking, we're going to have to do a deeper dive on some of the calcium and the like, some of the ons market stuff, because I don't really know that much about it.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I want to trash it just by nature, the fact that it's not going to bond guy and all that should so ultra-regulate. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, let's dedicate an episode to it. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, yeah, we'll come back and do this. [SPEAKER_07]: But okay, so big one Earth for the Olympics so far, who knew who Jordan Stoltz was two weeks ago? [SPEAKER_07]: No, but they do know. [SPEAKER_07]: He's got some. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_08]: He's got some proud there.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it was constant. [SPEAKER_07]: That's another Wisconsin, Wisconsin shot. [SPEAKER_07]: That's good. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, this kid 21 years old, he's definitely going to come away from the Olympics with one of these major.

[SPEAKER_07]: sponsors right i mean and if it's like he's yeah i apparently he's like as middle american as it gets he's reliable nothing flashy about him he drives a car within a thousand miles on apparently it's an old honda so he's like he's now been like rolled into like the honda yeah i guess he's real conservative with everything he uses he uh yeah you know he even still is using that same condom he started with the first night [SPEAKER_05]: He's the one that took all 10,000.

[SPEAKER_07]: Let's hope that doesn't flash back on all. [SPEAKER_07]: OK, so you said you said he's from Wisconsin. [SPEAKER_07]: You're from Wisconsin. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: You know who else is from Wisconsin? [SPEAKER_07]: Who's that?

[SPEAKER_07]: This is great, the great segue. [SPEAKER_07]: My man, Jordan Paul, who is our resident curling expert. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that makes a lot of sense. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, why the ice and why the passion, right? [SPEAKER_07]: So thankfully, like you, Jordan escaped his home state and is actually a rather worldly mother of these days. [SPEAKER_07]: There's no where he hasn't been.

[SPEAKER_07]: when we come back after a quick break we're going to dig in on curling specifically some of the controversy around what's happening with those Canadians and you know not only learn about the game but get some predictions on what's going to happen with some of these gold metal matches yeah Cheers all right we'll be back with Jordan in a minute

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[SPEAKER_08]: We're never going to get there if I keep going this down this fast. [SPEAKER_08]: No, I was born in Shabilligan My family is from around the Alkart Lake area got it. [SPEAKER_08]: I went to elementary school in Kiel Very small off-shoot. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, beautiful beautiful country out there.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I want to I want to bring in my my other great friend from The beautiful state of Wisconsin Jordan Paul who is a resident of [SPEAKER_07]: The district of Columbia these days, uh, long time beltway and cider and you, I think the term Jordan, do we got you there? [SPEAKER_07]: Can you hear me? [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I'm here. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, self-describes swamp monster. [SPEAKER_07]: That's what you're doing. [SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly right.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly right. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: So, um, so a little bit of background on Jordan Jordan.

[SPEAKER_07]: was a a grad of of Wake Forest with with me and the rest of the the Occupella team although he was not he was not a part of the Occupella group he was like fan number like two or three So he was there on the river in the roses when he said all the flowers came down [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so I didn't, I mean, when I was homeless, Jordan took me in, he has fed me. [SPEAKER_07]: Jordan is possibly the best red individual I've ever met.

[SPEAKER_07]: And just from a sheer intellectual horsepower he operates on a different level. [SPEAKER_07]: So when I knew that we needed somebody to come in and kind of describe, [SPEAKER_07]: something that is as complicated as curling. [SPEAKER_07]: There was only one man for the job given both his place of birth and just general cognitive capabilities. [SPEAKER_08]: So his was gone to background definitely fits that mold.

[SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, I can understand that and you said he also has a passion for curling. [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm interested to hear in Learn.

[SPEAKER_07]: Jay, what do you got? [SPEAKER_07]: Tell us about your passion. [SPEAKER_07]: How's your passion for curling style? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, curling, so I'm from a very small town in Central Wisconsin, even though it was a small town, we had three curling rings. [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. [SPEAKER_03]: So we would, you know, part of, you know, fizzed, you know, occasionally in the winter was, you know, go to the curling ring.

[SPEAKER_03]: My cousin actually grew up across the street from a curling ring. [SPEAKER_03]: Nice. [SPEAKER_03]: So I've been around curling most of my life. [SPEAKER_03]: And curling recreationally is a great fit on the better with Burma and podcast because it's really an excuse to drink. [SPEAKER_03]: Every curling club has a bar. [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of people, you know, drink while they play, I think that's become less of our reputation.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now the curling is bigger, you know, use wheels, smoke in the curling ring. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's probably, I think that's probably passed, but, you've got to keep a little slower. [SPEAKER_03]: Not that different than the Midwestern bowling league. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_08]: You're talking to our language now.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, so you as an officianato of, I think I mentioned in the prior podcast, you like when we had questions about middle-age man activity slash sports, it was kind of a, you know, up and there between you and Corona, like if there was a rules question, like would you have the answer, would Tom and Corona have the answer, would this stretch from like things like curling and golf to bowling, to ping pong, to shuffle boards. [SPEAKER_07]: Exactly, you know.

[SPEAKER_03]: And none of us have gotten into more shoes. [SPEAKER_03]: That's probably coming. [SPEAKER_07]: So this is, you know, this is not a joke. [SPEAKER_07]: The competitive fires, you know, can be stoked something like curling, right? [SPEAKER_07]: So tell us a little bit about the game. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I don't really understand the game. [SPEAKER_07]: It seems like their stats are kind of frames or endings or whatever the fuck. [SPEAKER_07]: How do you score what's the basics?

[SPEAKER_03]: So it originates like most great things in Scotland. [SPEAKER_03]: So Scotland's giving us golf, curling, and the television, which is pretty good. [SPEAKER_03]: Great. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, pretty good start to contribute into a, you know, 21st century culture. [SPEAKER_07]: I will drink to that. [SPEAKER_03]: It's traditionally played with eight stones per team that are thrown each end.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they've changed the rules slightly to make the game more enjoyable for everybody. [SPEAKER_03]: And so what you do is, you know, the first person leads off and they generally, they throw one down there. [SPEAKER_03]: And you're not allowed to knock that stone out. [SPEAKER_03]: until after four stones had been played. [SPEAKER_03]: So you get a little action before you start banging things around. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's actually really good.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for clearing that up. [SPEAKER_07]: Keep going. [SPEAKER_07]: That's helpful already. [SPEAKER_07]: So you can't knock it out until four stones have been played. [SPEAKER_07]: Good. [SPEAKER_03]: And so four stones are played. [SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, the beauty of curling is the simplicity of the game is there's a button. [SPEAKER_03]: And you see, you'll see a little dot and it's got the Olympic what logos around it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And whatever stone is closest to that gets a point. [SPEAKER_03]: And you can have, you know, up to eight stones. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you can score up to eight. [SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't really happen at the highest levels of the game. [SPEAKER_03]: But generally, the team that goes last has the biggest advantage, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Because they throw the last stone. [SPEAKER_03]: And the team that goes last is said to have the hammer.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're expected to win one, two, or three points. [SPEAKER_03]: Depending on how the end plays out. [SPEAKER_03]: How do they end their moves? [SPEAKER_03]: Who is the team with the hammer and scored?

[SPEAKER_03]: It goes to the other team and then they play for 10 ends and at the end they add it up and you see who wins but it's it's like golf and that it's a gentleman's game and so you could not play the 9th and the 10th and you can say that you know I'm too far down shake hands games over. [SPEAKER_03]: The players largely officiate themselves. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: You know if they if they kick a stone or if the broom hits a stone.

[SPEAKER_03]: They call, you know, they say, ah, you know, I hit the stone and you know, and then the two teams just adjudicate how they want that handle. [SPEAKER_03]: They can move this down back. [SPEAKER_03]: They can remove the stone and the teams kind of officiate themselves.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that became controversial. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_03]: So should we listen in the small world of curling, there was some controversy. [SPEAKER_07]: Should we ask about that now, since it's timely. [SPEAKER_07]: So what the hell happened with this thing where the Canadian yelled, uh, [SPEAKER_07]: Fuck you at the. [SPEAKER_05]: No, man. [SPEAKER_05]: He said go fuck yourself. [SPEAKER_07]: Go fuck yourself.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that was I watched a whole video What an uncanny and thing to do on the biggest stage. [SPEAKER_07]: They didn't even follow up with A Was it over the controversy of him? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this was a double touch. [SPEAKER_07]: So Jordan what the hell's a double touch? [SPEAKER_07]: And why would somebody do this on the biggest stage for for curling ever? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the Canadian cheated. [SPEAKER_03]: That's why he was angry. [SPEAKER_03]: He cheated.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so I don't recognize that. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know curling rules because I'm figuring when he looks leaves your hands, you can't touch it again. [SPEAKER_08]: It's kind of like the double hit a golf used to be. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Even though now we can double hit as many times as you want, all the way to the whole. [SPEAKER_03]: So what was he trying to do, Jay?

[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, the one thing you can't do in curling, kind of like I was saying before, is you can't touch the stove. [SPEAKER_03]: So when you throw the stone, you hold it by the handle. [SPEAKER_03]: And then you turn it out or you turn it in or you throw it hard down the ice, depending on the kind of shot that you wanna play. [SPEAKER_03]: But you don't touch the actual stone itself. [SPEAKER_03]: You're just touching the plastic handle.

[SPEAKER_08]: right so and so homeboy did that on purpose to gain an advantage you think yeah well he did because he could he could evaluate i think after yeah released it how much more he needed to add to it yeah yeah exactly so a little bit more like if we should slap additional tariffs on the Canadian [SPEAKER_06]: We can cover that. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm sure they're coming. [SPEAKER_06]: We'll get to that point shortly, Jay. [SPEAKER_06]: Keep going.

[SPEAKER_06]: But they're not even a top 10 right now. [SPEAKER_06]: So it would just be pounding on them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to believe that he wasn't trying to get in the advantage because there's no other real reason that you would do it. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, but the thing about it is is curling isn't really efficient. [SPEAKER_03]: So nobody could, you know, he was definitely doing it. [SPEAKER_03]: But there wasn't an actual empire or referee. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, maybe we just created a new job. [SPEAKER_03]: Looking at the game. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we just created a new position.

[SPEAKER_05]: Is that Sweden they were playing against? [SPEAKER_05]: I think it was sweet because the story I read said that the two guys that were trading verbal jabs back and forth are friends like that they've known each other for years but but obviously the tension got the best of at least a Canadian because the Swedish guy was pretty malo it's okay you know we saw you do it it's on video.

[SPEAKER_07]: Wow could you imagine so that's really interesting and I guess these guys and they're only against all the romantic [SPEAKER_07]: Right, but if you're not playing in front of cameras, nobody would ever, nobody would ever call you on your bullshit if you were just doing that like that's true. [SPEAKER_05]: Right now. [SPEAKER_03]: You have to agree on the fault and you kind of have to declare it yourself in the game. [SPEAKER_03]: No one's really officiating the game.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's time to bring the officials in. [SPEAKER_07]: OK. OK. [SPEAKER_07]: So, so, so, so, so, Jay, that joused was, how would you, I mean, like, how would you characterize the just a verbal outburst by one two countries that are known for their, their manners, but two on the, on the stage? [SPEAKER_07]: Is this just a matter of pressure? [SPEAKER_07]: Is this like normal for curling we've just never seen it before?

[SPEAKER_03]: not normal. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there is some depending on the players, you can definitely run your at the little bit and crawling. [SPEAKER_03]: You state you're standing right next to the other team if you want to tell them that you don't think they're doing so hot, you can. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: So there might be like a Gary, Gary Peyton kind of, I'm going to talk trash and get in your head kind of moment in a sports sports, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you look at the country that are great at curling Scotland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Canada. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't get a lot of it. [SPEAKER_03]: But it can happen. [SPEAKER_07]: But it can happen. [SPEAKER_07]: The Scots are first class trash talkers. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the best trash talkers of all time may not come on. [SPEAKER_07]: The best trash talkers, probably the Italians, or maybe the Irish, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, who could insult, I mean, is it the Italians? [SPEAKER_03]: And the Italians are elite, but you know what I'm talking about? [SPEAKER_07]: I'm talking about the Irish. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_07]: Coming from an Irishman. [SPEAKER_07]: The Irishman in studio, George, says the Irish are the all time trash talkers, but Yeah, it's a close. [SPEAKER_07]: It's a close. [SPEAKER_07]: Not a number competing for gold and in curling.

[SPEAKER_08]: So maybe we should have a competing race in trash talking. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, that should be just a summer and Olympic or a winner Olympic sport. [SPEAKER_07]: So Jordan, talk to me about some of the very strong star power and kind of nerd force coming off our men's team here in the US. [SPEAKER_07]: This kid Danny Casper is a bit of a psycho, is he not? [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, 24 years old.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, 24, you know, he taking over for our long time skip, you know, John Schuster, who went to five Olympics, one gold in South Korea, five in the morning, [SPEAKER_03]: What were you number five on D.C. Now that was going 24-year-old and there's a lot of hope for his team. [SPEAKER_03]: They're in their 20s and kind of going back to the controversy. [SPEAKER_03]: Most of these teams are professionals.

[SPEAKER_03]: The scouts are professionals, the Swedish or professional, the multiple professional Canadian teams and they play across Canada and they have a big, big, gigantic events. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and the hope is that, you know, Casper's team will also become a professional team. [SPEAKER_03]: No kidding. [SPEAKER_07]: So our kids are just like bullshit beer drinkers. [SPEAKER_07]: They just like a drank in throwing stones, you know, and beat the best in the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's, and they can't, and they've done it. [SPEAKER_07]: I'd be, I'd be 10, too. [SPEAKER_07]: I'd be yelling motherfucker. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the game, we're recording this on a, on a Tuesday, the game tomorrow is the foreign, foreign, American team versus the foreign, foreign Scottish team. [SPEAKER_03]: They're called Great Britain in the Olympics, but, you know, oh, that's, oh, those are the Scott. [SPEAKER_07]: So that's going to be a banger right there, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: And the Scott's were heavy favorites to, you know, to make the playoffs. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Jay. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: Who do we have to watch out for on the scots? [SPEAKER_07]: Do they have anybody with some star power like our kid Casper or what? [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no the scots are our world class world class.

[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I can't wait to ask, you know, Bruce Moat, you know, Grant Hardy, Bobby Lamey, you know, Hammond McMillan, you know, they've been together for a long time. [SPEAKER_03]: They're on the professional circuit. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, they got chemistry like Brad and Perry have. [SPEAKER_07]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Alex, the little. [SPEAKER_03]: They got silver in odds in 2022 and Beijing. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and you know, they're four and four.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, they haven't had the round robin that they were expecting to happen. [SPEAKER_03]: They were expecting to sail through to the metal rounds. [SPEAKER_07]: So if these guys were NCAA athletes, they'd say the fist adversity. [SPEAKER_03]: They definitely face adversity. [SPEAKER_03]: They definitely face adversity. [SPEAKER_03]: They definitely face adversity. [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely face adversity. [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely face adversity.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Definitely face adversity. [SPEAKER_07]: very appreciative of you sharing everything you know with with our with our audience here's what everybody really wants to know who is the hottest gal in the game right now in the curling game who's the hottest chick

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was watching team Italy yesterday, you know, it, yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: That's the answer. [SPEAKER_07]: That's it. [SPEAKER_07]: The, the, the, the chick, the chick that that played against the Americans, the, the mixed doubles. [SPEAKER_07]: The Italian gal that's from Cortina. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: She's really. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Definitely. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Cardi has something he wants to chip in.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, shit, here we go, this should be. [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, I just, I just, I just, I'm thinking, you know, you're asking about curling and who the good looking gals are in. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, during this entire Olympics, I've been sitting there with my wife watching everything from the skiing to the speed skating.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, everything, and these, all these, [SPEAKER_04]: babes in these tight uniforms i mean what's up i have to do everything to i mean i want to say boy i'd like to and i can't because my wife sitting there i mean come on curling get no no no you guys are watching the wrong events [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, more attention to the curl. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's right.

[SPEAKER_08]: See, I wonder how Cardi's feeling about looking at the Perry's long legs and those fish net stockings and 13 still. [SPEAKER_08]: Let us. [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, you don't know what's going on behind the table here. [SPEAKER_07]: Jordan, um, listen, uh, anything you want to, you want to leave Brad and, uh, and Perry with and, in parting, anything. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I doubt this will be the last time we talked to you. [SPEAKER_05]: No, we're definitely going to have him back.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Jordan will be back. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we could cover all kinds of stuff with Jordan. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you could just throw a top again. [SPEAKER_05]: One of the, one of the topics is in expert knowledge. [SPEAKER_07]: Jordan, Harry's interested. [SPEAKER_07]: What else could you talk to, so? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think we should do it. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, curling is the most interesting. [SPEAKER_05]: Of course.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a, you know, I love it. [SPEAKER_05]: It's a great sport to watch. [SPEAKER_05]: I, you wouldn't think watching something that moves that slow would be that exciting until they get those little brooms out. [SPEAKER_05]: That's right. [SPEAKER_07]: Chest, chest while standing on the, yeah, I love it. [SPEAKER_05]: I love it. [SPEAKER_03]: So what my hope for better with bourbon is that in the, [SPEAKER_03]: 20 30 winter Olympics in France.

[SPEAKER_03]: The better with bourbon has a hospitality house for the for people who appreciate the curl. [SPEAKER_07]: We'll be awesome. [SPEAKER_07]: We're working on it, buddy. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we'll definitely have to do that. [SPEAKER_08]: And then you'll have to have you there. [SPEAKER_08]: He'll be a resident. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he's going to be a resident. [SPEAKER_08]: He's going to be a resident. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_08]: He says they go along.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, we're back. [SPEAKER_07]: The Bourbon Barometer is falling, which means our BAC is rising cheers. [SPEAKER_07]: We want to talk a little bit about Anthropics, since we haven't really talked much business today. [SPEAKER_07]: There's been some headlines about Anthropics raising a little bit of money recently.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's been a little bit of chatter about their CEO, he's a bit of a cook, a little bit of chatter about their product and how it's different from others in the marketplace. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you like it, I do, you know, he's Edoriel. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, because I actually wrote an article on how [SPEAKER_08]: You know, ASI could take over the world. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, hold on before, let's, let's just say he gets down that path.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, so anthropic, anthropic is a company that has a large language model that is a competitor to open AI's chat, GPT, and Google's Gemini, right? [SPEAKER_08]: I'm very, very rightfully so since Dario came from open AI and did number two and number three for open AI. [SPEAKER_07]: That's right. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: So Dario is an engineer, Stanford trained engineer comes from a biology background instead of a computer science background. [SPEAKER_07]: But he was at open AI and was the guy responsible for their version two and version three releases. [SPEAKER_07]: They're now in version five. [SPEAKER_07]: Right. [SPEAKER_07]: But he has a little bit of a different personality. [SPEAKER_07]: And he had some differences with Sam Altman, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Who is the guy?

[SPEAKER_07]: If you remember, [SPEAKER_07]: Um, thanks, buddy. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Nice. [SPEAKER_07]: Nice. [SPEAKER_07]: So, um, here we go. [SPEAKER_07]: So Sam, um, Altman was, um, kind of, uh, he was kind of, uh, hurting his memory that we're going to need.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: He was kind of Silicon Valley sales person number one and was push push push push push with AI What were you about the safety after we have a problem kind of mindset and and Dario was the opposite of that He's the guy who always wants to step on the brakes and say we need to understand it before we take it to production right

[SPEAKER_08]: And I can relate with Darryl on that because I feel like we all should be stepping on the brakes before we go too fast because what we're dealing with AI is very impressive and it's getting so much better by the day. [SPEAKER_08]: and even as he continues his dialogue, I mean, he just looked at the last few conversations he's had in the press the last couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, he's fighting with the department of state over whether or not they want to take the safeguards that he has off so they can do what they need for mass surveillance or, you know, mass weapons. [SPEAKER_08]: He's very cautious and I give him credit for that. [SPEAKER_08]: He might be a little cookie. [SPEAKER_08]: but he's very cautious. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I think this, this, the conversation that you're highlighting is performative on both sides.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's, he's doing a performance saying, look how concerned I am. [SPEAKER_07]: And the DOD is performing saying, look how woke you are, and if you don't un-woke yourself, we're going to give the contract to somebody else. [SPEAKER_07]: So I mean, it's always right. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, they're both right. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they're both right.

[SPEAKER_07]: But the reality is, [SPEAKER_08]: Well, if you talk to anthropic they said they haven't actually been approached by this exact conversation yet they've only tipped on it a little bit and it's only been on the ancillary. [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm not sure they've really dug deep into that conversation yet, so I'll give them credit on that.

[SPEAKER_07]: So here's what's sad to me is that the

[SPEAKER_07]: the headline has nothing to do with why anybody would be having this conversation with anthropic in the first place right in this just another large language model don't we have seven or eight of these what's what's what's why why do we care about this they do opus son it why do they have two names when everybody else just has one right what's that so should we talk about the problem should yeah okay so okay so they so the reason they're in the news this week is because they just got a series g funding for 30 billion

[SPEAKER_07]: which values and thropic at 380 billion, which is about half the size of open AI. [SPEAKER_07]: This is a massive windfall for everybody that's been involved in these guys because they're still private. [SPEAKER_07]: Dario is now worth $7 billion based on this new windfall that just happened this week. [SPEAKER_07]: So this is significant for a lot of people. [SPEAKER_07]: Probably not.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and from a financial perspective, these guys, you can remember we talked about open AI and chatGPT specifically achieving a $20 billion annual run rate, so that's a number if you take that what they did in the last month, run it over 12 months, they get $20 billion. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, anthropic is about $14 billion. [SPEAKER_07]: So you can see there are not terribly far behind of an AI and Chad ChPT. [SPEAKER_07]: But you know what's the most impressive ball anthropic?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, tell me three years ago. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, there was zero. [SPEAKER_07]: It was zero. [SPEAKER_08]: It's exactly right. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's exactly right. [SPEAKER_08]: And there are ten times each year over and over. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's one of the fastest growing it. [SPEAKER_08]: And it's right along with OpenAI as we talked about the other day. [SPEAKER_07]: They have 10x their revenue three years in a row.

[SPEAKER_07]: So three years in a row, they've grown 1,000 percent in that crazy. [SPEAKER_07]: So that's how somebody goes from being worth no money, a handful of years ago, to being worth $7 billion. [SPEAKER_08]: I also think this is how you go from being a tool, an agendic tool, to being an actual operating system. [SPEAKER_07]: And I think that's where they're trying to lead to. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's really interesting.

[SPEAKER_07]: So when you say agentic tool, this is one of the places where we can actually talk in a little bit of specificity about what's different from Claude, Opus, and Sonnet, and their platform versus a chatGPT. [SPEAKER_07]: ChatGPT has one engine, and this is one large language model. [SPEAKER_07]: So when you ask it to do something, you ask it to do that thing by typing or providing information into the context window, and that's the thing that you type in.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's like the type bar. [SPEAKER_07]: When you're going to, it is like we call it [SPEAKER_07]: search bar for Google bar, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, you'd call it the Google bar. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that context window is more important than just kind of what you write in it. [SPEAKER_07]: That defines how many parameters the model can handle at one time, okay? [SPEAKER_07]: So you could load, for instance, a bunch of PDF files into the context window.

[SPEAKER_07]: All at one time and it can search up to if you're chat GPT about 400,000 Tokens worth of content at one time, right? [SPEAKER_07]: So that means and what's that mean that means you could load 10 PDF documents all at one time and it would be able to consume that All at one time and understand it so the token goes based on the size of the document, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, a token.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's actually a good a token [SPEAKER_07]: A token, 100,000 tokens is about what it's about 175 words, am I saying that right? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_07]: That's very close. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry, 1000 tokens is 175 words. [SPEAKER_07]: So it's about 1.3 tokens per word if we're looking at it and kind of an old school search kind of paradigm.

[SPEAKER_07]: But what's interesting about the opus and sonnet model versus just the chat GPT you just put all that information in there is that if you're using GPT to do something like write a book or you're loading a bunch of PDF documents in there to do academic research like we're doing with the DOT federal highways.

[SPEAKER_07]: There is a problem of hallucination where when it's consuming all that information, it does so kind of outside of the context of what you're asking it to do and it just scans all that information from start to finish and then it will act on whatever you're prompting it to do. [SPEAKER_07]: With Opus and Sonic, it's different. [SPEAKER_07]: Opus is kind of like a brain that orchestrates what it is you're asking it to do.

[SPEAKER_07]: And Sonic are kind of like the hands that do the tasks over and over again. [SPEAKER_07]: So, Opus is like, what do we need to do? [SPEAKER_07]: And it will optimize for you if you ask it something like, [SPEAKER_07]: read all these PDFs and cite all the places that are important to my research. [SPEAKER_07]: It will not only go figure out what's important to your research, but it will make recommendations to you that you might have missed.

[SPEAKER_07]: Say, hey, even though it's not explicitly in your research, it should be, so you should reference these as well. [SPEAKER_07]: So it will not only do the task, but it'll get underneath and figure out, are you asking the question for a particular reason? [SPEAKER_08]: So do you think, Jeff, GPT, OpenAI, lost a really good player when he kind of figured out [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no question, but this is the, I mean, I think this is that, well, there's two ways to answer this question.

[SPEAKER_07]: Number one is what happened when he left there was clearly a schism, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Sam Altman has been accused of going too hard and pushing too fast by a lot of people, including those that have made financial commitments to him, right? [SPEAKER_07]: So that shouldn't be a surprise.

[SPEAKER_07]: But the other one is is like, [SPEAKER_07]: When you think about the nature of what you want AI to do, [SPEAKER_07]: predicting what the next word is in a chatbot format and answering a question faster than Google can is a first order use case, right? [SPEAKER_07]: But we're getting beyond that now. [SPEAKER_08]: That's so far in the back.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's the orchestration of multiple use cases to achieve a goal where each of those agents might be doing something with blinders on that has nothing to do with any of the other agents are doing. [SPEAKER_07]: This opus model allows for an orchestration layer that's going to be crucial to this push toward [SPEAKER_07]: kind of a gentic thinking and the deployment of a gentic models in the workplace and a small business model.

[SPEAKER_07]: You doing that with OpenAI requires a lot of individual coding. [SPEAKER_07]: You can do that verbally with the son of the open model. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and it does take a lot. [SPEAKER_08]: And we're going through the CHFGPT and OpenAI model. [SPEAKER_08]: So, didn't they also just open up their tokenization to as far as what's going on? [SPEAKER_08]: Aren't they up to like a million? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this context thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's a big one because of the ability to take in the amount of information in the most energy efficient format, but to then be able to handle a multi-threaded set of commands without hallucination. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Gemini now has a million to two million token context box, right, but this claw to open model is right under that with about a million and GPT is about a 400,000 the claw just increased what they had before though, so I mean it's it's a step up.

[SPEAKER_07]: for where they were at. [SPEAKER_07]: It did and what was really interesting about it is even though they're able to handle more tokens of ingestion and output faster. [SPEAKER_07]: The reason they were able to do that is because of the separation between the two models. [SPEAKER_07]: GPT has to read everything once and then figure out what to do with it. [SPEAKER_07]: Opus can do a lower energy consumption read.

[SPEAKER_07]: with its own model and then the signed task to the sonnet to the sonnet runner who will run and just do something very quickly and come back and say, okay, I've achieved that quickly as possible using as little energy as possible. [SPEAKER_07]: What do you want me to do next, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I see the others falling suit. [SPEAKER_08]: They're real quick.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, right, and actually what's interesting here is that the cost per token of output has fallen really substantially. [SPEAKER_07]: And this is now allowing for AI to potentially be deployed in higher volume use cases where you can really ring out manual efficiencies when you're doing something over and over and over again.

[SPEAKER_07]: Check this spreadsheet to make sure you have a table on the bottom that makes sense and then tell me what the columns add up to be, you know, that's exactly the sort of thing. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, totally. [SPEAKER_07]: So faster or less opportunity for data to get lost, the ability to orchestrate multi-task, cloud, cloud open, so I'm going to check it out. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to check it out, too.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not usually a cloud opus guy, but I've been using Gemini and co-pilot, but because of this and our research this week, I'm going to... Yeah, we bumped into some problems with GPT-5 to again, 30 conversations with transcripts, [SPEAKER_07]: all of the prep and research for each of those conversations, and then all of the summarization and compiling of all those into key themes across 30. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the performance has gotten really bad.

[SPEAKER_07]: We can't do anything in that string anymore without some. [SPEAKER_08]: No, and the one thing that's really impressive about Claude though is that 80% of their business model is enterprise. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: So that's right. [SPEAKER_08]: They're delivering. [SPEAKER_08]: They're delivering on a high-scale, and it's now becoming an operating system. [SPEAKER_08]: It's not becoming just ancillary tool.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's really interesting, and it's kind of like the market is defining players in different spaces. [SPEAKER_07]: Right, Gemini, people use because they already haven't their phone. [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's probably the easiest place for people to goof around, but if you're going to be a consumer oriented user of LLLM, it's probably going to be chatGPT, you're probably going to use the free model.

[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, you're not going to have any problems with it unless you're going to try to write a, you know, a 35 chapter book or, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Do you search on something as interesting as roadway digital infrastructure? [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's computing using a bunch of PDFs that were generated in like the 90s and 2000s. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that's, that's some revenue shit. [SPEAKER_08]: I use AI to help research too.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it's, I go, and I'm going to give Microsoft to show it right now because I go to, [SPEAKER_08]: Copilot. [SPEAKER_08]: It has chatGPT as a base, but it also has their layer of folks over there. [SPEAKER_08]: And granted that does hallucinate from times times and it throws things out at me, but as long as you check every source that is throwing at you and make sure it's what their tone you it is. [SPEAKER_07]: then you can utilize it.

[SPEAKER_07]: We've caught a couple of hallucinations, but not recently, and that was in OpenAI. [SPEAKER_07]: We've not had a case where we've caught. [SPEAKER_07]: We have to cite for the federal highways work. [SPEAKER_07]: We have to cite everything in a professional format, and I just made a book up. [SPEAKER_07]: It has made a book up once, but we haven't had that problem. [SPEAKER_07]: It's only good though, isn't it?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was in [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, it's it's interesting get out there and try these try these engines try these models let us I'm all thanks, send us a note if you think what we're telling you is is bunk tell us about it But I guess my take is I'm moving away from GPT and I'm all about Gemini right now, and then maybe I something new it's gonna be that that may be the moment It's a it's an embank flow right now because every three or four months

[SPEAKER_08]: All these platforms come out with a new technology and it seems like, you know, Gemini, I just came out with this or Copilot just came out with this. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, the really interesting thing is that this is the tuning now of models and different model architectures with chips and different chip architectures to take advantage of [SPEAKER_07]: efficiency.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the ability to do stuff like cool with just regular tap water and right, you know, closed-end system with refrigerant and all this other crazy stuff. [SPEAKER_07]: All these efficiencies are becoming pronounced and I think that we need to do a deep dive on fear of Ruben and what that ship set is going to do in making the jump from [SPEAKER_07]: from the current and video chips.

[SPEAKER_07]: So maybe next week we can dig in on something like that. [SPEAKER_07]: And hey, I want to jump this. [SPEAKER_07]: We're definitely. [SPEAKER_07]: We got a great suggestion from a listener. [SPEAKER_07]: What does it mean to win the AI war? [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, did we mention it before if we didn't, we should have, without we're mentioning, we're thinking about this for a future topic. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, I think we should dive into that in a future topic.

[SPEAKER_08]: A lot of discussions about, let's talk about that real quickly. [SPEAKER_08]: Just off the cuff, though. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, a lot of the discussion about what does it mean the U.S. is in an AI war against China and we have to win. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, it's not what the hell does that mean? [SPEAKER_08]: It's, it's, it's everybody. [SPEAKER_08]: It's China Europe. [SPEAKER_08]: It's, and not the, the bank can't.

[SPEAKER_08]: Because I know they're, are curling, uh, although, but, uh, it's China, you know, hey, uh, it's far in the IRAs, uh, Asia, South Korea, you have India. [SPEAKER_08]: They're australia. [SPEAKER_07]: They're what are we talking about for future conference.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, [SPEAKER_07]: Well, see, that's why we get back to our boy Darrell.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's what others in the industry have accused him of by crying, wolf, yes, it's so dangerous. [SPEAKER_07]: He, of course, is going to get invited in and his ideas are going to get heard first. [SPEAKER_07]: So, by being the most complicit with the need to regulate something that quite frankly, or regulators have no conception of their no ability to understand it, let alone regulate it. [SPEAKER_07]: He's, um, endearing himself and, um, getting the closest seat to power.

[SPEAKER_07]: So he's kind of talking to his own book, is what I think a lot of people. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and I haven't seen security's markets all at the time. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, and I think that's the hot topic right now on this all is being safe. [SPEAKER_07]: I think that our regulators and the people who are going to are going to be charged with making these laws, they understand one use case and one use case only.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's how does the unfortunate picture of my 15-year-old needs turn into porn and how do we stop that? [SPEAKER_07]: That's their, that's their, that's the highest order level of thinking they can kind of come to understand. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and I can understand that. [SPEAKER_08]: Definitely that's admirable and you have to definitely protecting as a, but that's a little short-sighted. [SPEAKER_08]: It's still low-brow.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it is, because as those are the people, those are the people who are going to be in charge of regulating it. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and how, how knowledgeable are they on the top? [SPEAKER_04]: Problem with everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, it's like, it's like, [SPEAKER_05]: you know immigration it's everything you know is there's not enough people to look at this evaluate it critique it and do this so yeah when you need to give Cardi a mic Cardi needs a mic I don't think any good story like everybody can hear them these people they can you just write up a good point the people who are regulating it [SPEAKER_05]: Don't really understand. [SPEAKER_05]: They don't know me and understand.

[SPEAKER_08]: I would disagree that. [SPEAKER_08]: I think the people maybe here don't understand it Now if you go to Europe, they understand it. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I'm talking about our government. [SPEAKER_07]: Who in Europe understands? [UNKNOWN]: Oh?

[SPEAKER_07]: I've not the if you can show me something I would have to read it because I don't I don't believe that they do understand I think just because they have a I think I think you can see framework first doesn't mean they understand No, but I think I think they're on the right track.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think they're on the right track that and but what's the right track See this is where this is where we have to get done like really like we do you can't you can't you can't regulate inputs you can regulate outcomes [SPEAKER_07]: like you can regulate, yeah, whoever was the actor that caused that picture to become porn. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that person, but the model itself, you can't constrain the model.

[SPEAKER_07]: You can't say, hey, anthropic, if you get posed up picture of a 15-year-old girl, you can't turn it into something naked, that's one that's ridiculous to it's impossible. [SPEAKER_07]: three it's removing it's removing the uh it's removing the honest responsibility from the individual uh totally against all that but anyway. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure what you should have to do. [SPEAKER_05]: Squeeze every last drop that angel's empty.

[SPEAKER_07]: The bourbon the the bourbon barometer is touching bottom. [SPEAKER_08]: He is getting definitely down there but I I'll just leave you with this on that. [SPEAKER_08]: I would say that uh the European Union is taken the impetus that [SPEAKER_08]: I think in the United States, it's a compromise between the Biden administration and the Trump administration. [SPEAKER_08]: The Biden administration had a bill of rights that's much like what the European Union is.

[SPEAKER_08]: Trump administration says, we're just going to kind of let it go and we're going to regulate it from the top level, which I agree, they need to regulate it from the top level. [SPEAKER_08]: But let's make sure it's still transparent, let's make sure it's explainable, let's make sure it's understandable and we can under, you know, [SPEAKER_07]: The Biden administration wanted to regulate model inputs.

[SPEAKER_07]: They wanted to have input and be able to control how many parameters a model could train. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm talking about outputs. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's talk about outputs. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a result-oriented field that we're playing in. [SPEAKER_08]: In the legal field, that's where it is. [SPEAKER_08]: What comes out?

[SPEAKER_08]: Europe is perfect in that respect, I think, and I know I'm going to get a blood of pushback right now because I'm coming over to the The Democratic side of the table on this one, but I feel like they have figured it out early on and that's why they've formed this Coalition that that is able to determine all this. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, we're here again. [SPEAKER_07]: We're all see committee that can look over it.

[SPEAKER_07]: We're going to blow everybody's hair back when we come back and do a do a point counterpoint on European versus [SPEAKER_07]: Um, American AI regulation Perry Perry's telling us he wants to pull the plug on this all this. [SPEAKER_05]: Nope. [SPEAKER_05]: Nope. [SPEAKER_05]: It's great conversation Yeah, all this all this all these hot takes all these hot takes remember you are so when we come back We can pick up or we love stuff.

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[SPEAKER_07]: It was it was like Dr. Ruth had to fight the potterge to give up over the microphones and just in my ear. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, Jordan kind of had that lure. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, which we're trying to up our game. [SPEAKER_07]: How are we doing? [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we're hoping everybody out there is noticing how we doing in terms of rankings, watches views and updates.

[SPEAKER_08]: I was shocked when we jumped for a moment, just a moment, but it was fun to jump there yesterday for a half a day in front of less. [SPEAKER_07]: Alex Friedman. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we made. [SPEAKER_07]: We jumped in number four yesterday for a hot second on the business segment of Apple podcast number four technology segment. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_07]: Tack. [SPEAKER_07]: Not. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Tack. [SPEAKER_07]: Not business.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm going to respect what we have to say in business. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you boys got no business. [SPEAKER_05]: Although they should. [SPEAKER_05]: They probably should. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so that's really cool. [SPEAKER_08]: So when it comes to fishing distance stockings, we're number one. [SPEAKER_07]: So that's really cool.

[SPEAKER_07]: That means those of you who we've begged to watch have watched maybe a second or third time, you've passed it on, you've liked, you've subscribed, you gave us thumbs up, you retweeted, you know, we're trying, we're trying on LinkedIn, we're trying on all the on all the platforms, Brad's driving that for us, he's doing a great job. [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks buddy. [SPEAKER_07]: That's awesome.

[SPEAKER_08]: And when you appreciate every one of our 450,000 followers that are, [SPEAKER_08]: or behind us right now. [SPEAKER_08]: Boo-yah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Boo-yah. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, well, uh, we'll look. [SPEAKER_07]: I think we've done everything we came to do today. [SPEAKER_07]: We covered curling. [SPEAKER_07]: If you're any questions, send me a report. [SPEAKER_07]: We'll get Jordan back. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe you come on as a guest, uh, regular guest spot.

[SPEAKER_07]: Jordan Paul Hour. [SPEAKER_07]: You never know someday in the future. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he was Jordan. [SPEAKER_08]: Jordan, you come speak or talk at their local event. [SPEAKER_08]: Just hit us up. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll make sure that happens. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he's telling you. [SPEAKER_07]: You can talk on a number of topics. [SPEAKER_07]: But, uh, I just don't forget, Cardi. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, a party.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, all for vocal overserved studio guests want to say thank you pencil Vanya for Jeff Cardi Yeah, thank you. [SPEAKER_07]: And I just want to say thank you pencil Vanya for the fact that it was over It was over 50 degrees today. [SPEAKER_07]: You have something actually 60 other thing. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, it was not right The big meltoff is I mean was the bait and I'm playing between the snow drifts. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's keep that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Let's keep it on the greens. [SPEAKER_05]: Let's keep that trend going Okay, get on the brains the green chat [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's right. [SPEAKER_07]: We need to let that snow melt the whole way down. [SPEAKER_07]: Take all that nitrogen down the soil. [SPEAKER_07]: So we get that. [SPEAKER_07]: There we go. [SPEAKER_07]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: So pretty soon. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to be.

[SPEAKER_07]: We're going to be switching from a barbon and rocks in front of the fire to a bourbon spritz out in the Lenin. [SPEAKER_07]: All right. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, pretty soon. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to be a flower is going to be blooming. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to be switching the cloth the inner years soon. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely. [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm out in the course. [SPEAKER_07]: They'll be fun. [SPEAKER_07]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, there's some chatter about maybe a getaway down to Georgia here in a few weeks for a little bit of golf. [SPEAKER_07]: Who? [SPEAKER_07]: A little bit of a winter swing. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm interested in that. [SPEAKER_07]: You know, let's dust it off. [SPEAKER_07]: You're gonna dust it off. [SPEAKER_07]: Augusta? [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I mean, well, I don't know if they're gonna let us in there for us. [SPEAKER_07]: Not that way.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's a pool in a pond. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm fine to be good for you guys. [SPEAKER_07]: There's that. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: There's a gust of public horse right next door. [SPEAKER_07]: You can get on that big dog. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but you know, when you start talking about dusting it off and lovin' it off and dust it off, lovin' it up. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I don't know.

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