Hello, I'm Jordan Maxwell. The video you're about to watch is composed of three separate half an hour interviews that were conducted not too long ago. The lady that will be interviewing with me is Rita Dyson. The man is Ralph
Walker. The response to these three half hour interviews when they first aired was so favorable that we felt that we wanted to put them together into one program, and we hope that you will enjoy them, And of course we would be very happy to hear from you if you'd like to have some further information. I want to thank you for your time. Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. Every other species of tyranny
is limited to the world we live in. A religion attempts to strive beyond the grave and seeks to pursue us into eternity. Thomas Payne, Jordan, you you've got to tell me about yourself, well read it. First of all, let me thank you for inviting me back, and I enjoy being here with you. Uh As I told you before and privately. The way I involved myself in this is it comes by me naturally because when my mother.
When I was growing up with a little kid, my mother had an uncle who worked in the Vatican Secretary of State's office, and about every three or four years he'd come back to the country to visit the family, and as a little kid, I would sit and listen to this brilliant gentleman talking about international intrigue, politics at the highest levels, and he was quite knowledgeable working in the Vatican secretary of State's Office, and the things he would talk
about the secret societies, the money that was made throughout the world internationally, the politics, and generally the entire world scheme of things, how politics and religion worked together behind the scenes. So I grew up hearing this kind of conversation. And my grandfather was a senator, my great grandfather was a congressman. I have two living uncles today who are federal judges. So I grew up around hearing this type of conversation in the family about intrigue and politics and
the behind the scenes stuff going on in word religion. At the ripe old age of seventeen, I decided that I wanted to find out if there was a bottom to this issue, and I began my research and study into theology
and all of the arcane or occult theologies of the world. I was fascinated by some of the most powerful movements in the world, and I have come to the conclusion that there has never been on this earth a political movement that wasn't a little religious, And there's never been a religious movement and the history
of the world that wasn't a little political. But the problem you run into with theology and when you get into religion and theology, is that there were two kinds of facts that we have in theology, the kind you look up and the kind you make up. And so much of what we have been told and left to believe is true in theology and religion, especially in the Western world, is nothing more, in my opinion, than political propaganda. And I think this can be proven. But over and above the political aspect
of Western religion, I am also fascinated as this book brings out. It's just a general anthology on religion, just generally things which most people don't know about theology and religion that the Church would rather you not know. For instance, we get into I get into, in particular the connection between astro theology, which is the world's oldest religion. You can go back to five to seven thousand years before Christ and the worship of the heavens what dominated the ancient
world. As I said, I don't believe that there are too many people today and the Western civilization who have really looked at where religion came from, where our ideas and concept have come from. We are all aware of how other people can be wrong in what they believe because other people. We have a theology and other people have a mythology. Other people are wrong because they don't have They don't share your concepts and your belief and that's because they don't
understand they're wrong. But they don't understand. I am saying that we can all be wrong. There's not one human creature on the earth that is so well informed that they cannot possibly be wrong on something. All I'm asking my audience to do is to look at the facts of where Western religion has come from, and look at behind the scenes the connections between government and religion.
Let me give you an example. Okay, believe all right, Well, let me give you a quick example of just the point I'm made between tying government in with religion. When you go into most churches today you will see that altar is three tiers high. It's three is high. It has in most churches they will have a fence with the gate, and only the priest can go through the gate or through the fence up until the altar. When the priest the clergy comes out, he's dressed in a long robe. Everyone
stands out of respect. It's the same thing in any courtroom. You have the people of the of the of the congregation out here. You have the fence with the gate, and only the attorneys can go through and speak for you. And the bench is three tiers high. The three tiers high in
the church and the courtroom stand for the first three degrees of freemasonry. When the when the when the judge comes out, he's dressed in the long black robe, just as the priest is dressed in the long black robe, just as you will be dressed in the long robe when you graduate from university or college. The connections are continual. The judge can sit and look down on you, for he represents the law spelled law. You need to look at
where the word law comes from. And then of course the priest can look down on the audience and the people in the Church. He represents God, which is the law. So you're saying that people should start looking at things with the more with a different eye, yes, than what they In other words, people just take it for granted. This has always been and this is the way it is. But there is an origin for every one of
these things. Gerald Massey, one of the greatest Egyptologists that ever lived, wrote that they will find it difficult those who have accepted the authority as truth rather than the truth as authority. And so I'm saying that that's what's happened to us as a civilization in the West. I'm not interested that much in the East tonight. I'm more interested in our West way of life and the
religion, the philosophies that guide our lives. The mere fact that in this country, in America, when you run a foul of the law, they say you have broke the law, just as Moses broke the law. And of course the sheriff has a six pointed badge as the Star of David or the six pointed hexagram. All of our judicial proceedings in court are based on the old common law of England or Britannia, and incidentally, Britain is Britain or British, and brit in Hebrew is a contractor, a covenant, and
the word Ish means men are men. That for the word British is the covenant men or men of the covenant. Okay, it's a fascinating story when we understand that our government is based on religion and we didn't even know it. And I'm saying, wake up to do your homework. Okay, you the you have such vast, such a you know, a vast amount of information that I have to try and hold you back of men, because I wanna get into more things. Ok I wanna say some things here. Okay,
for one thing first, so let me let me say this. How would you classify yourself me? Are you? Are you religious? Or are you spiritual? Are you uh what somebody would say agnostic? I mean what, n W? What are you? I'm a common man, an ordinary man in the pursuit of an extraordinary subject. I consider myself to be one who appreciates and will fight for truth. You are Truth's here. I think that's probably the the best way to determine. I am an extremely spiritual person
in that I hold very very high spiritual morals. Ethics. I believe and a very powerful spiritual force that dominates and overshadows the world. Christians call it God, Others may call it something else. But I have a very high respect for spirituality. I have no time for religion as such. Anything that is organized by men, quite certainly is not touching God. I think that we have a direct connection with our Creator, with that great spiritual God force
in the universe. We don't need another man to intervene for us. Okay, So then would you say that, Let's say, somebody might say, how dare you question the Bible? I mean, how dare you write a book like this? You must be a demon of something. How would you answer that? I would say, the same thing has been said of Solomon Rushdie? How dare you question the Koran? How dare you question the Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto or MAO and the Little Red Book of Mouth?
I dare you question authority? I'm saying that the man that we read about in the New Testament, the one called Jesus, if he taught us nothing, it was to question authority. Because anytime you give away your spirituality and your authority, and you do it yourself. You know, no one comes and hurt and puts your hand behind your back and forces you to give up your spirituality and your individual freedom and your right to be a human being and
decide for yourself. You do that yourself. And when you do that, and you give up your sovereignty, to the government, to the church, to a religion, to a book, to a concept, to anything, you are enslaving yourself. All I'm asking the public to do is do a little research, see if what I'm saying is wrong, and judge for yourself. I'm not advocating. I'm not running for a political position. I'm not
trying to start my own church. What I would like to see done as a spiritual revolution in this country where people say just say no. Just say no to organize religion, just say no to organize government. Just say no to tyranny. I don't care where it is and what color it is. Bigotry, ignorance, ill informed, stupidity, just say no from here on out. The point I'm making is that you need to do your homework.
You need to study and find out where things came from, what happens, What happens when they do find out what happens to those who who their whole life has been the Bible. There's so many people who have you know, the Bible is what answer? I'm going every day? What will they have
the Russians in the Russia today? Ask the Russians in Russia today, what is it like when you find out that you've been hoodwinked that your government was not the most powerful and most wonderful government on earth and now it has totally collapsed? Now, what are you're going to do? You trusted, you brought up your children, you wasted your entire life, and you went along to get along. And now what happens Your whole world is collapsing around you.
And why because you didn't do your homework and you didn't stand up for what was right when you could have. You went along to get along because it was comfortable at the time. And now it's very uncomfortable. And I'm saying that that's what we all have to do, is look at the uncomfortable facts that nothing is permanently on this earth, that is permanently on this earth. Let's see they have here Bible model, Bible models, Bible morality.
They have here. Who is Jehovah. And this is Thomas Jefferson who wrote this. Who was Jehovah, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust. Then also who was Abraham an insane barbarian patriarch who married his sister, denied his wife. Who was Jacob, another patriarch who won God's love by deceiving his father, cheating his uncle Rob and his
brother. This is Bible morality. Now, I understand I didn't write that other authors are in the books, Okay, But the point I wish to make one does not need to even read the book. One can all just read the Bible and read and put flesh on the things which happen in the Bible. This is in the Bible. This is in the Bible. Are you aware that there were fifteen Now let me ask you something. Are you aware that there were fifteen other major religions? This is history, now,
okay, not conjecture history. There were fifteen major theological religious religious movements in the world before Christianity that taught exactly the same identical story of a Messiah who came to the earth, who was born in a manger, who died on a Cross, who had twelve apostles who died with the crown of thorns. Are you aware that there were fifteen major religions that had the same identical teachings of Christianity. Most people aren't. And I'm very suspect of a sixteenth religion
which is copied off of fifteen previous religions. And I am told that this one is the truth. I become very suspect. That's the way I am as a teacher and as a researcher and a writer. I've become rather suspect. And I tell you something else. I'm very suspect, and that is the connection between government and politics today in America. I think both should be investigated. And that's what this book attempts to do. Look behind the scenes
of both our authorities in the world, religion, politics and money. So when that happened, people will actually have almost a renaissance of themselves. Hope so, and a whole new type of person can come about. You will agree that that's what we need. Our country is in trouble, our families are in trouble, our whole human race is in trouble. And basically we can boil it down to three problems we all share on this earth and common
religion, politics and money. And I'm telling you that three are not separate, they are all one. Because in the ancient world, the king always represented not only temporal power, but also heavenly power. He was the connection between the people and God. That is why today have a You cannot get married in this country. Today in America, we are told that there is a division between church and state. No such division exists. If you want to start a church, you must get a five oh one c three permit
from the government. You must get permits, you must pay the fees. You must do all of these legal things with the red tape of government before you can set up a church. Now, once you've set up the church with all the government's permission and permits, you cannot get married in this country unless you have a marriage licensed first. Then you can go to the minister or be married. And if your marriage doesn't work out, you don't go
to God, you go to a judge in a courtroom. I'm telling you there's something going on here between religion and politics and its money, its power. And until such time as we're willing to look at what's been going on in this country for over two hundred years, and be open minded because your brain, your mind is like a parachute. It don't work if it's not open. I'm telling we can be exploited if we're not willing to open our
minds, open our hearts and say let's look at the facts. Because the fact is, all over the world people are being led by religious leaders. Aotola Kamane and Saddam Hussein are just two of many people. And in this country we put things on the back of our car, support our troops in the Middle East. You don't even know what they were doing in the Middle East. Do you think that would do something to politics? Religion and politics?
Do you think that has something to do with this what we call this new world order, this global unification that you can bet on you do? I think that I can make a very good case of that in a court of law if given an opportunity. If you look at the symbols on the back of the one dollar bill, the pyramid on the back of the one dollar bill, above the pyramid on the back of a one dollar bill,
look at it. You'll see and I know it coeptus, I know it colleptus in Latin means our enterprise is now a success or, our project is now a success. Look at the wording on the banner beneath the pyramid novas or dosiclorum. Novas adosiclorum is new order of the world, the new world order. Why is an Egyptian pyramid on an American dollar bill? Are you aware of the symbolism going on here? Like the Washington Monument in Washington,
DC. You know what the Washington Monument stands for. It stands for the male erection and it connects right down the waters of life to the Oval office. The Oval is the female. The Washington Monument is the male. It has to do with religion, has to do with sex, has to do it political power. And we take these instruments, and we take these symbols and we think the so marvelous. Do your homework and you'll find out that so much of what we would consider to be holy and righteous is in fact
nothing more than sex, religion, and money. And most people pretty well know that, but no one has actually bothered to confront the establishment. I hope to do that. I want to confront the establishment for the one reason I think that the truth is an idea whose time has come. I think we've all been manipulated and exploited, and it's time we look at the real truth. Well, I think that a lot of people are somewhat walking around
in a day. Some of the things are happening, they don't they don't know where to turn, and they they I think that many of them, they don't really feel very happy with what they receiving in church when they do go to church. No, something is wrong. It's because something is wrong. It's not true. The things which we have been told are not true. You can prove this in any good library. All one has to do is do something you've never done before. Go to a library and spend all
day reading theology, and you will find. The world has known for thousands of years that these stories are nothing more than stories. Now, as a matter of fact, reader, the Bible is called the greatest story ever told, the greatest story, not the greatest collection of facts, not the most paramount document on earth, the greatest story ever told. It's a story. One must know how to read the symbols and the emblems and the terms, And that is why the symbols in the Bible are in the Bible everywhere.
I mean, did you know, for instance, that the Book of Revelation was not written by Christians. The Book of Revelation was around for at least five hundred years before Christianity ever came into existence. The Book of Revelation was already in circulation. No John ever wrote the Book of Revelation. His name was ion Io Inn from the Ionian Sea. And when in Latin, when you change eyes to Jay, it becomes j o n, but in the English it becomes j O h N. So that today we're told that John
wrote the Book of Revelation. No such John ever wrote the Book of Revelation. It was written five hundred years before christ was ever born. Oh, this is just just it's just you know, it's Earth's shaking. Wait till the truth comes out about religion and politics in America, and you're going to see the shape. Are you ready for the tomatoes? Are you ready to be already gotten it? Many times? Okay? Now, in the book, the book your church doesn't want you to read, you have an article
astro theology. Yes, right, and co edited the book with Tim Leadham. He was our editor, Tim Leedham, he's the editor to the book and I helped him co edit it. But I also did a chapter on astro theology theology, and I wanted to say also Steve Allen also wrote ste very brilliant writer, and he is a part of our book. Now you have now we opened up the show with Thomas Paine discussion by him. But you also you must like Thomas Paine, you also have him absolutely incredible.
Okay. He wrote the Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man who they call Christ, in the place of the sun and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the sun. Why did you select Thomas pain and tell me more about this astral because that is a classic comment about astro theology. Astro theology is the
basis for all religion in the world period. Astro theology, theology is the worship of religion theology, and astrol is the heavens, the worship of the heavens. From as far back in history as we can go, man has
always worshiped the heavens. That's why we're even told in Western civilization that when you die, you'll go to heaven, and that of course, the interesting point that Thomas Pain was making is the same one that I continue to make, that the whole concept of the sun s N God's son, goes directly back to the old concept of God's son s u N being the risen Savior. Because the sun is the risen savior, it does rise, And of course God's son s u N, the Egyptians said, had an evil brother.
He was the Prince of darkness, and he came out at night to rule the world. When God's son died and went away, the world was in the hands of the Prince of darkness, and his name was Set and he came out at sun set. Okay, today even in the Egyptians. The Egyptians said that that newborn son that came up every morning, his name was Horace, and they would come out in the temples of Karnak and the
temple at Thieves and Heliopolis, Egypt. And when the sun would come up in the morning, as they still do in the Islamic faith, they would meet in the morning to greet the coming of the new sun. We do it in the Eastern We have Easter sun rise services, horizon Yes horizon horr Horace horizon Uh huh. That's where we get the word horizon. I'm saying that there are fifteen major religions in the world before Christianity that have taught the
same thing. It is a very ancient old story. That's why the Bible's call the greatest story ever told. So not right. I'm not saying there's not good spirituality in the Bible. I am saying that it has been twisted and used by political powers for a political agenda to keep us ignorant, ill informed, and unread. Do you y depending on the Lord to come back to help us when in fact, there is no Lord coming back to help
us. Education, knowledge in your own personal spirituality, and investigation of what the story is really about. Do your homework. That's the only salvation we have left. Well, well, there's a few questions I want to ask you, But okay, what about there's no Adam and eve. Adam comes from the word Adam. No, that's why the the uh Hebrews do not have do not take part in Christianity. The Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah, and many many Christians, jumping to conclusions, say, well,
the Jews don't accept Jesus that's because they hated the Messiah. No, no such thing as true. The reason why Jews do not accept Christianity is really rather simple. They know the story and they know it's just the story. It's the gentiles that don't know this. What we need to do is wake up and find out that this is a story. What is the story telling us now? In our last discussion, you were saying that the uh the government which says about separation of church and state, but that that is
not true. I don't believe that the government it is very much involved with reigion. Yes, yes, Actually, if you'll go back to the very beginnings of mankind, there's always been this coexistence between government and religion, between church and state, and of course in all the ancient empires, the king also was the mediator between God and man. So he wasn't just the king of the state, he was also the mediator between his people and God.
Up until the time of the French Revolution, that was always the case, even in Europe with the papacy. Today. Of course, we in America like to believe that we have a division between church and state. But it's my proposition and my idea that no such division exists, that the church as we know it today and Western civilization is in fact nothing more than a tool and a counterpart to government. It is that, like two hands, government
and religion both helping the one mind to do it work. And so that's what I am intending to do, is to enlighten people as to where government ideas, concepts, and belief systems have come from, and theology and religion and where those ideas have come from, and show the connections behind the scenes of how we, because we're unread in the field, are being manipulated and exploited by government and religion. And I think it's an idea whose time has
come. And you asked me before, what kind of a reception I get? I get a very powerful positive response. When I was in New York on ABC New York where Bob Grant I was supposed to do a half hour interview, I ended up doing a two hour interview. The response was overwhelmingly
positive. Many people in our country know instinctively that there's something going on in big government, big business, big money, and big religion, and everyone seems to know that, but no one has as of yet gone into and brought out all of the facts surrounding religion and government in our country and the monetary and the money connection. That's what I'm trying to do. Yes,
Now, what did you say that that that allows? In other words, if you if people begin to see what you're saying, and I mean as government, it's it's the guidelines, it's it's based upon the moral guidelines. It's based upon religion. Rightly, if you take away the religion, what will happen to the moral guidelines? Well, I won't have any you see, I'm making the distinction here. I'm not talking about spirituality. I am
a very highly spiritual person. I believe in a divine overshadowing in the universe. Absolutely, I am and a divine God or creator. I totally am convinced that there is a divine essence to us, and so I have no problem with spirituality. That makes you convinced, Well, I'm talking about organized religion? No, No, But what makes you convinced about that we do
have a divine Oh? I think that there are far too many things that happen to all human beings that we know that there's more to life than just us. I think that we've all had too many experiences every one of us have had experiences, some even more so than others, but to prove that there is some sort of a spiritual or spiritual dynamics to our life. I myself have had many experiences in a spiritual way to convince me that I am not here on this earth by myself, that there are spirits here. I
believe in a God or a creator. I have no problem, as I said, with spirituality. I have a very big problem with government money and religion. That's somewhat the beauty of the divine essence. Absolutely, that is there no doubt about it. And they we have the best politicians and religious leaders that money can buy. And I'm tired of that. So let me thank you. Something kind of thrown off a little bit. Do you believe
in reincarnation and what does the Bible say about that? And well, I believe that the I think that you can make a good case for this that in the Bible and the Old Testament and the New I believe that there was much in the Old and New Testament to support reincarnation but was dropped out and taken out during the Middle Ages. Because we know that happened. We know many scriptures were deleted, and some things were put in that were not in
the original. So I think that the the scriptures dealing both in the Old and New Testament with reincarnation were taken out purposely because the Church that that would be harmful to the people to think that they come back and they come back again, because if you keep coming back before God and other lifetimes, then why do you need to contribute to the church today, Why do you absolutely why do you even need to go to church today or to even hear the
priest if you're going to come back the next time and do it over again anyway. So I think the church said, none of this, we have to take that out and let everyone believe that they only have one time through and that's it. So you have to be in subjection to religion. Oh
so that right there shows the government being involved with the well. Even in the European history, it's our history of Europe is filled with the papacy and the Pope of Rome being involved with the kings and the princes of Europe, and of course that's referred to as the Old order of the world, the Old World order. And of course in America we have our religio political foundations that we call ourselves a new world order. That's on the dollar bill,
the back of the dollar bill. So there's a lot of connections behind the scenes between major religion, big money, and government. Hmm. That's what the book is about. The book your church does not want you to read. It's just a general anthology on all of the things that are in religion that the churches don't want you to know about. Now, as we explore this, what happens to people as they become more enlightened? What else will I mean? I cannot believe. I can't think of people not ever having
a church in their life. Church seems to mean so much, give, so much more. I mean, how would the church be completely changed? Would we ever have a church again? Well? I mean do they have churches in nan Adam and Eve's day? I mean when creation first began and
the ancient peoples of the ancient world that they have churches. You see, I'm saying that there's a very big difference between religion, which requires a church and the clergy and money and organization, as opposed to spirituality within your individual self, spiritually between you and your divine creator. I don't believe that there is a necessity for a church, synagogue or whatever. I think that the spirituality is between you and your creator. So I don't see a lee for
the churches. I think I kind of pick up what you say is that you want to bring back the essence and the innocence of people, yes, and not have it all of this intuens of entertainment like entertainment entertainment rights. So I see nothing spiritual in the church television and church radio. I see nothing more than the Madison Avenue promotion of religion that always and in every way supports government. That would be a major metama forces for people. Yes,
that to ever happen. I think that's going to happen. I think that we are being forced by events in the world to wake up and begin to question our foundations and our belief systems. We expect the Arabs to do so, we expect the Hindus to examine their foundations and see that they are the need to examine what they believe. And it's very good for everyone else in the world to examine what they believe, So why isn't it good for us to do the same. So now that freemasonry is that the one is that
where symbolism started coming about. Let me let me explain why I got into symbolism. As you said in the beginning of the program, my mother had an uncle who worked in the Vatican Secretary of State's office, and every few years he would come back to this country and he would sit and talk for days about all the intrigue going on behind the scenes of religion and politics.
And it was very interesting conversation because and I was just a small child growing up, but I would hear him, and I would hear this kind of conversation where he would deal with symbols and emblems and secret societies and fraternal orders and the wars and revolutions. To show us any symbols, well, we don't have that with us tonight, but we do have a few slides that we'll get into in a few minutes dealing with the foundations of Western religion.
But in relation to the symbols, all of these emblems and symbols mean something to us, you know, and so many people are unaware. I mean, the Bible has Jesus saying many will look with their eyes but not see, and that is certainly true. People look at symbols all day long and have no idea in the world what they mean. And symbols are very important. And if you don't think so, watch someone wearing a swastika, go into a synagogue and watch the reaction that the Jews will have when they see
the swastika, because symbols mean something. They have very powerful. They've all been wondered about the swastier. Isn't it like a cross? Well, it's the Hindu. Originally the swastika from Germany was a Hindu symbol, and of course then it generated down into Finally the Nazis picked it up like many other nations, and other people picked it up to the American, Indians and the Buddhists have the we're going to go to the slides and think, ye, if you like, we can go to the slides. I was just going
to I'm just going to make mention about the foundations of Western religion. On the next show, we can Well, let's go on with this instance. We've already introduced the idea of Western religion. Of course, we know that the Western religion is based on a far older Bible, the Bible of the Old Testament, even further back. If you'll go back into the most ancient history of the world, in the Middle East especially. You will see as we will show you now, the volcano was one of the many things that
will worship to the ancient world. The volcano was very important because it represented life and creation, and it had a sexual connotation. That's why today in most men's rooms and hotels and restaurants there will always be a triangle on the door, triangle being the pyramid. Pyramid comes from the word pyra meaning fire and mid meaning middle. The fire of sexual generation is in the middle of
the human body. That's why the volcano always represented sex, the coming of life, and the fire of life that brings new life to the world. So the volcano was a very important symbol to the ancient people. We'll go to the next slide and we will see how now here is the Encyclopedia discussion of and let's go to We'll see it says the volcano, like any other impressive or fearful aspect of nature, volcano have become the objects of worship for
human beings from the earliest Stone Age. Yet, the original Yahweh, which is one of the gods of the Old Testament, the original Yahweh seems to have begun as a volcano god. Also Mount Sayinai, where Moses encountered him as was the seat of the Midianite god, and in the Midianite's earliest homeland, he was identified with the local moon god Sin, which is where we get the name for the mountain in the Middle East. Sinai or Syinai comes
from the old moon god Sin, after whom the mountain was named. The appearance of Yahweh, as I said, Yahweh is one of the one of the ancient gods of the Old Testament, and the reference work says the appearance of Yahweh as a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night. So that's the way the Old Testament god Yahweh appeared, and that was found an Exodus thirteen twenty one, twenty two. Now, the word volcano, and this is important. Now, the word volcano, and let's
go back to it here. It is the word volcano comes from the Latin volcano god vulcan. All volcanus derive from the Old Cretian dat the volcanos. I want to repeat that this is the most important that the word Let's go back to the slide, because I want to show that that the word volcano comes from the Latin volcano god vulcan. Okay, let's take the next slide. Now we're talking about the old volcano God. Let's go to the next one. Now Here we have the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar
of fire by night. We see the Israelites in the desert, and there's the God representation. And we'll go to the next slide now and see that in the middle. Here's a reference work on job thirty eight. Now, on the reference work of eight, it says, thunder is called in Hebrew kullath our voices, for it is considered the voice of God. So here we have thunder, which is called in Hebrew culoth or voices, for it is considered the voice of God. Let's go to the next one. Okay,
there it is again. We're just saying the thunder is voices, it's considered the voice of God. Next one. Now here in job thirty eight, we will go to the top one. First in job thirty eight to one. In the fit note, it talks about the storm. It says the storm the clouds of God's tent gather unless he is gathered as the thunder, the voice of Yahweh. Now, if you can zoom in on that
a little bit, we can see that clearer right there. So we see that God's tent are gathered as the thunder, which is the voice of Yahweh. Rards they descend, and God shoots his arrows of his lightning. So we're talking about Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament, with his thunder and his arrows of lightning. And then beneath it we'll see on the bottom and Hebrew it says, God thunders wonderfully. We can see the bottom line. Can we God thunders wonderfully? Can we see the bottom line? Yes,
God thunders wonderfully with his voice. Okay, let's go on. So now we see that thunder and lightning is connected to the Old volcano, God, the god of the volcano. The next slide here we have and we can zoom in on the a little bit on the bottom, we can see that at Mount Cyanai Jehovah perform signs. The mountain trembled and smoked all over. Millions now heard in proof that what Moses had been in God's name was
actually the word of God. Now for back off, you can see that the Israelites are at Mount Syanai. And if your back off, you'll see that that is UH. Mount Sinai is pictured here in the UH biblical texts as a volcano. The next slide, now here we have Jehovah. Let's go in and get that a little bit closer, so we can see that Jehovah led the sons of Israel to the mountain named Syani and there he gave them his law. Now look at the mountain and you will see the mountain
at Syinai where UH the Israelites encounter Yahweh Jehovah is actually the volcano. Now let's go again to the next one. Okay, Now there we have the UH in the In the UH reference work of the Hebrew holidays, we have Lasha, Shana and Jan Kippur. And the next slide, the next one we will see is UH another set of holidays with the Passover. And now on the bottom we will see that UH. Let's bring it in in a little bit closer on the bottom and we'll see one of the holidays is the
feast of the giving of the Law. So here's what Moses was given the law from Mount Siinai. Now let's go to the next slide, and I think we'll have a better picture that. Okay, well, back off a little bit. There it is. Now we're seeing that this is the feast of the giving of the Law, which coincides with the feast of the First Bruce. Let's go to the next picture, which we'll bring that picture up a little closer, I think, and there we see the volcano again at
Mount Syinai. So we're seeing that Yahweh, one of the different gods, one of the many gods of the Old Testaments pictured here as the volcano god. All right, Now we go to part two, which is the closing part of this section of Let's go to the next slide. We will see here. Now let's see okay, now you'll see here on the Torah and the you'll see the benediction symbol. Now let's go on. Let's go to the next one. This is the rabbinical benediction symbol. That's the blessing,
the blessing symbol that the that the rabbis bless the congregation. Next one, okay, now we see the High Priest of Israel blessing and you'll see the hens raised in the priestly blessing for Yahweh, the volcano God or Vulcan. Okay, we'll go to the next picture. There again in the synagogue in Los Angeles. Let's go to the next picture. I think we got a better one, and you will see. There we go. We have the the the prophet giving the benediction symbol. One more, now, let's go
to the next one. All right, there is the movement on that if we can a little bit, and you'll see the hands a bit, the pentitook scroll crown with hands raised in the priestly blessing. So we see this is the priestly blessing in the Hebrew. All right, and that we'll go on. One more. Let's go to the next one. Here is the rabbi giving the priestly blessing for Yahweh at the synagogue. And one more, which is the last picture. We'll be explaining why mister Spock gives the priestly
blessing. The next picture the priestly blessing, and that's why mister Spock is called a Bulkan. That was the whole idea of the Balkan comes from Bolkanas, or the old Cretian deity which was later to be found in the Old Testament under the name of Yahweh, and that ends the slight presentation. So the point I'm making is that when we find the foundations for our religious movements in America and in Europe, and then we find that from those foundations of
the religious movements, we have our political movements. And so therefore what we need to do is understand that our religions and our politics are both one and the same. And if we're under the law and have to be a nation and under law, the law is of course the law from the old volcano, Cretian volcano, god Valcanus, the vulcan. So I'm saying, as I said, there are two kinds of facts in theology. There's the kind
you look up in the kind you make up. And I'm all I'm saying is that there's been a lot of theology that has been given to us. But people need to do their homework because so much that we've been given, which is holy, comes to find out when you do your homework, is not that holy. Can I ask you one more thing? Okay, we know all of the symbols and so forth, what about this thing that we And I'm going to ask you something that Aviwer may ask. What about the
gnaw and and the curse of Canaan. Yes, well, it was actually the curse of Canaan supposedly explains where the black man comes from because he was cursed by God. That is a heart horrible misuse of scripture. And I think it's too much of a subject to get into now. Suffice it to say that it was purposely used by people who knew better when they were using it, that it was not a curse on the black man. That has to do with cana and the cana Knights and the curse of the cana Knights.
Cana Knits or were not black people. Black people were Africans, not cana Knites. So you know, we can dispense with that it was misused scripture. Is that something that we could have another topic or Yeah, that would be a very interesting one when you get into cana and Babylon and how today the Babylonian Empire still rules in our world today. Our symbols and our emblems come directly from cana and Babylon. So if there's a curse on cana
we're enjoying it. Right now. Okay, So that's something we can come back and talk about, like to do that on that Okay, all right, So now you don't feel that this is going to when you don't think take it away from people. No, I think anytime. I think it
is a privilege to educate and help people to understand what's going on. Yeah, okay, I am absolutely enthralled, and I mean I'm you know, I feel it's such a treat that you have come to be with us and to share this information with us. The secret societies is a very profound subject and it's one that most people just have never even looked at very closely.
For something that is so powerful and so important in our day, the societies which control our country from behind the scenes, it's really important for us to understand how they got here. And the symbols which are used symbols occult symbols are like a letters of the alphabet. Put them together and they tell a story. But if you can't read the symbols, you don't understand the story.
Okay. And so a classic example I'd like to bring to your audience's attention is like on the dollar bill, on the back of the one dollar bill. Everyone's UH has a one dollar bill in their pocket, but very few people have ever looked at the symbolism on the back of a one dollar bill. There's much talk going on today in Washington about a new world order. If we look at the back of the dollar bill, the one dollar
bill on the left hand side, you'll see the magic circle. And within that magic circle is the pyramid with the all seeing eye UH, separated from the body of the pyramid, and above the top of the pyramid the Just above the eye you have annuit coectus, which is Latin for annuit means our enterprise or our project coeptus UH basically means has been crown with success, is now our success. Therefore our new cooeptus is our enterprise is now a success.
Now what was that enterprise? Now that's right, Okay, Now the enterprise itself is beneath the pyramid. Novas or do seclorium novas is a is all Latin. Novus is for new or do as order in seclorium is for the secular. Secular is like your secular job, your secular education, which means worldly or your the secular world. Therefore, novas or do sclorium is
New World Order, the term that were here quite frequently today exactly. Now, the interesting thing about this symbol of the New World Order, why is it picture beneath an Egyptian pyramid. Pyramids are in Egypt, and so there's a reason why Egypt has placed such a very big part in America. America is to the secret societies of the world. America is referred to as the new Egypt, and therefore our symbols are are from Egypt. Like in Washington,
DC, you have the Obelisk UH the White House. The obelisk is Cleopatra's Needle known as Washington Monument. The Washington Monument is nothing more than the Egyptian UH Cleopatra's needle, the UH. As a matter of fact, if you fly over Washington, DC and look down and you have UH pictures and libraries of the Washington DC from the air, you will see that it is laid out in a tremendous pyramid with the Capitol building in the triangle at the
top. UH. There's the long waterway which is the River Sticks, which is out in front of the Cleopatra's Needle, and of course at the end is the Magic Circle. The Masonic circle. So it's all has to do with ancient occult secret societies, paternal orders and their symbolism. Now, of course, is that some viewers may be wondering why the writing why is it
in Latin and not in uh, some African language? Nor why Latin, because that's a very good observation, because it is African symbolism, but Latin language, because the uh, how would you say the the new order was going to be made up of a white society or white elitist society, and it would be based on the old mysticism and religion and philosophy of Africa, but it would be a new Africa or a new Egypt. So you send a new societies go all the way back into the great Pyramid. It,
oh h, goes all the way back right. As a matter of fact, if you remember the the pyramids are made out of bricks, and those who work in the ancient world what bricks will call stone Masons. And that's of course where we get to day. The Masonic societies are the Masons who work with bricks. So that almost all Freemasons realize that their fraternity of Freemasonry goes all the way back into the ancient world into the first dynasties of Egypt,
and all of their symbolism comes from from Egypt. But what's important is to understand that today in order to understand when the president says the new World Order, and you hear this term quite often. Now, let me explain to you what's being said. When you hear the words new World order, America is referred to as the new world. Christopher Columbus discovers the new world or the old world is Europe and it and for almost two thousand years,
Europe has controlled the world. Europe has dominated the world, and Rome has dominated Europe. So for almost two thousand years, Rome or the Roman Church, the Roman authority of Europe, uh through their ancient houses, their their r fraternal houses, have controlled Europe, and Europe has dominated the world. Now, did the Crusades have anything? Absolutely, that's exactly right. That's why Steven Spielberg and the George Lucas movies with the Indiana Jones and the Last
crew Sade. Course, you can't understand the Last Crusade if you don't understand the first one. And it has to do with the Lost Arc. And that's why Raiders of the Lost Arc, the Arc of Covenant. And now incidentally in that Raiders of the Lost Ark, where were they looking for the Lost Arc in Jerusalem, m in Palestine, in the Holy City, No, in Egypt. They were looking for the Lost Ark in Egypt, because that's exactly where the arc originally was. In Egypt. It was an African
symbol. It was purely an African symbol, the arc, and later on it was brought into modern use and uh in the Bible it is referred to as the Ark of the Covenant, but actually it comes from Egypt. It's a much older symbol. But anyway, if you think about the power base in Europe being the Old World, Europe being the Old World, and those powers that are behind the throne of Europe dominating the world, that was an order like the Masonic Order or an order of priesthood, the orders of of
you know, the fraternal orders. As I reflect on history, several United States presidents belonged to the Massiana right a few. As a matter of fact, the founders of the United States, the founders of the country, designers of the Constitution, were all Freemasons, except for the few that were Resecrucians
and there were a few others that were of other fraternal orders. Uh. In that respect, it's interesting to do a little research in your in your history books on an order called the peory D Scion, the Holy House of Sciom s Io n not z Io n m pory D Sciom. It's a very powerful secret society that's even in existence in the South of France today, and that's why, of course, south of France has always been a very mystical place for cult societies, the k Thars, of course, from the
Albergenz and Crusades. But let me get back to this point about Rome dominating Europe and Europe dominating the world. Rome or the Roman Church today was the power of Europe, and that was the old world order, the order of the old world. But with the coming of America, we have a new world order, and therefore is the power of elite power base, which is America, the new order. You said that power was passed onto the power was passed onto a well, actually they actually in fact seized it and took
it and moved the power base from Europe to America. And therefore the order that now is directing affairs behind the scenes in America is referred to by people on the inside as the new order, the new world order, because America is, as I said, the new world. And so when we understand what the symbolism of the Dalla bill, and it's just an enormous subject getting
into the motion pictures, Hollywood is immense. Incidentally, the magic practicing priest of the Old Celtic's priest, the old Babylonian UH Celtic priest UH of Europe have magic wands. And the magic wands were always made out of holly wood. And that's why because they would work their magic and holly with Hollywood. And of course the secret societies are still today working their magic with Hollywood. W we use this terminology. Uh. Secret societies? Are they really secret?
Well? They they? You see this that not all of them are secret. Many are semi secret societies. UH. And the thirty five years that I've been interested in this subject, I find that there is always going to be many people who have come out of societies for whatever purpose and for whatever reason and begin to develop some of the materials and some of the things
that were going on behind the scenes. Usually we hear about this like fifty to sixty two hundred years later, someone we finally find out wrote a book or something, and then we look back and then we can see why things happen the way they did. But today our world is totally in the grips of secret societies. The Middle East is dominated by some very powerful secret societies at work, fraternal orders. That's the reason why George Bush had the troops
in the Middle East. It was to show power to other secret societies, so to speak, who is actually in control of the Middle East. I want to ask this question for a viewer that may be out there wondering, what about the Republican and Democratic Party. Well, George Washington, I didn't
write this, I'm just relating it to you. George Washington mentioned in one of his letters, actually two letters to a reverend in seventeen ninety four something like that, that the that there was a secret society operating in Washington at the time, and he referred to it as the Democratic Societies, which it
was later to become the known this is the Democratic Party. And he said that this society of the Democratic Society of Democratic Party was absolutely a very what was his word, subversive movement within the republic and it had as its motive. It has as its motive the dividing of the people from their government.
To divide the people from their government so that you would send your your your elected leaders, your democratically elected leaders, to Washington, not realizing that those elected leaders would be members of secret societies and paternal orders which would be working in in in the in concert with the secret societies in Washington. And you have to understand, Washington, DC is a very powerful spot in the world for sect activities. Threw on a name like Ross Paroul. Yeah, well
Ross Paraut, I mean he's even a newcomer. I go back into Woodrow Wilson's day, Woodrow Wilson's connections with occult orders, and they're cult symbols. On the dollar bill, there's an interesting point about the dollar bill on the right hand side with the eagle. Of course, the eagle is the old phoenix symbol of rising from the ashes of destruction, coming from the old Roman
symbols, which even goes back even further than that. But above the eagle on the right hand side of the dollar bill, you'll see thirteen stars just above the eagle's head thirteen stars, and there are thirteen cloudbursts around the thirteen stars. There were thirteen feathers in the wings. There were thirteen stripes in the shield. On one side, there are thirteen arrows the other side, at the bottom there are thirteen leaves and thirteen berries in the leaves. The
pyramid on the left hand side has thirteen layers. Well, it's just the the The most important thing is the thirteen. Why is thirteen so uh dominating the the dollar bill? Because thirteen is a very powerful mystical number. Two secret societies because uh incidentally, uh our thirteen colonies. The original colonies were uh the reason why we didn't have uh forty two colonies. Why and we'd have ten colonies or a hundred and twenty seven colonies. Why do we are
thirteen? Now some viewer out there might as well, thirteen is unlucky number. That's right. Thirteen is an unlucky number for you. That's the point. Thirteen's unlucky for you to use because it's a holy number. The thirteen is based on Jesus and his twelve. Jesus and his twelve make the thirteen. The twelve uh followers of Jesus were called in the Bible the uh corner stones of the of the New World Order, the cornerstones. Jesus is twice
referred to in the New Testament as the chief corner stone. The Bilders rejected the chief cornerstone. The word chief cornerstone in the Bible is a Greek word means the peak of a pyramid. That's what it means, So the top of a pyramid. Therefore, that peak of the pyramid is a chief cornerstone. And according to the old cultic understanding of the old kabbalistic understanding of the Bible, that that pyramid at the top with the eye, the eye is
of course Jesus. The eye goes back to of course Horace, which was the sun in the ancient Egyptian And of course today we have that eye on the dollar bill representing Jesus or God's son. Now do you know the person that designed the artist? Yes, the artist that designed I'm not sure exactly who designed it originally, but that symbol on the dollar bill on the left hand side with the pyramid has been in existence just as it is today.
Was in existence in seventeen seventy four b in Bavarian south of Germany and Bavarian there was an organization of secret society of fraternal order uh called the Illuminati. They used that exact identical symbol. You can still see it in the European libraries and museums. The question is why how does it end up on an American dollar bill? That's the question, right if it was an old German secret society. Well, and that gets into uh, some of the paternal
orders that are behind the throne in America. Uh. There's the such a vast subject which leads me up to a question, not to kind of cut you off, but what is the impact of secret societies on American politics today? It? It absolutely is the heart, the blood, and the brains behind America today of secret societies. The Republican Party is one hand, the Democratic Party is another, and the brain is the secret societies. Behind the
scenes. Very powerful, intelligent people are at work behind the scenes governing both the Democratic and the Republican Party. M those correct, wells, there's gonna say so. In fact, in point of fact, it doesn't matter who is made president. Uh. The power uh is always going to be in the hands of the people behind the scenes. That's why in America we have a right to elect. We love to talk about our right to elect, but we don't have a right to see lect that is decided upon by those
who are in power. Like today the Democratic UH Clinton and UH, the the Democratic candidate UH Clinton is a member of the UH is a is a
very UH well educated man. He is a Rhodes scholar. Yes, and if you understand what the Rhodes scholarship comes from, sus Roads Cecil Roads of South Africa, and Cecil Roads said that he was going to leave his millions and millions of dollars to set up a secret society that would be UH teaching young white people, young white men, to be able to come into power and handle the power of a very vast new world government in which the you
know. And so that was the dream of Cescil Roads to be able to UH, to create a secret society that could dominate the world from behind the scenes and do it with such expertise that no one should ever even get the knowledge of it. Now it seemed like n the winds have changed. You hit our statement quite frequently when it comes to politics and and people uprising to
change governments. Does secret society have any impact? Our situation that's going on in Europe absolutely has secret societies ever have to do with everything that's going on in the entire way world. You can you you have to know that where
there is politics, there's money. Where there's money in politics as religion, and there are powerful forces at work, uh right now in Yugoslavia, there were books written twenty years ago, uh talking about how the secret societies in the nineties the early nineties were going to break up Yugoslavia and they had already designed how they were going to do it, who they were going to, uh, you know, start the war with, and how they were going
to start it. Twenty years ago books were written about Yugoslavia. That's just one example. And if you uh in that type of research, you can pretty well tell what's coming down the line. You can already tell the uh uh who's going to be doing what if you understand the story as as I said, if you could read the symbols. Now a question for viewers out there, you're not just predicting doing What can the American people do of people
that's that want to change? What can they do to expose these societies? Oh? Well, let me say this. I am directing my words my
work. What I do. I am directing my comments and my work only to a select people, only to select fuel, and that is those who really care about their lives, those who really care about the country they live in, those who really care about freedom, liberty, and I believe that the most important thing one can do is to educate your mind first, because that's where real freedom is is in the intellect, spiritual and intellectual freedom.
And without that kind of freedom and things you don't understand, things you don't know being not being able to read symbols, that's where they have you because you don't understand the game that's being made in your world surrounded with symbols and images, and so one needs to take the time to explore the history of these and see what they really mean. Is now question. You're very noted.
That's where are you? Will be doing some events sometime. Yes, as a matter of fact, I'm gonna be doing some radio programs I already have. I was in ABC New York. I did a two hour show there and that was very exciting. Uh. I just we just did uh a UH program for CBS. I was on CBS special on UH Ancient Mysteries of the Bible. I'm doing a program for NBC probably, Uh, hopefully
that's in the works. Uh. And also I've I've just uh done some radio programs here in Los Angeles. And you're also gonna do a book tour a lecture, yes, right to the Veria's independent bookstores throughout southern California, right right? Is that sometime this month as a matter of matter of fact, Yes, And uh and the Black and Latino Multicultural Bookstore. H. I'm gonna be giving a lecture there also. And that's for the uh general public, Yes, for the general public. And uh, and there's there's
just an enormous amount of material. Lot of people might think that this is the kind of a subject that you'd have to be in government or behind the scenes. You'd be surprised how much material is actually out there if you just know where it is. Well, this is the information age. Just dub that. That's right. We're living in the information capital of the world. I should say, most of the information that you probably acquired we got right
here in the United Sports for sure. Absolutely, it's interesting too that your listeners might be interested to know why our country is rule from the District of Columbia and why we have a Columbia Broadcasting system in Columbia University, and the space shot is Columbia, and of course the Columbia Broadcasting CBS Columbia Broadcasting Television has the symbol of the Alci the I on the dollar bill. The United States is rule from the white House, not black house or brown house,
but from the white House. And England is of course rule from the White Hall, which is like the Masonic hall the lodge hall, or England's government comes from white hall, America's from the white House. So there are symbols and emblems and they mean something. And I might also interject this this act consider to be very important. When the new King of England is crown Prince Charles is made king, listen to the words that the Archbishop of Canterbury will
say to the new king and his initiation ceremony. He says that the King of England is taking this position of king for Jesus Christ and ruling for Jesus Christ, ruling for Jehovah on God's throne, and that that is why God's kingdom is represented by the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is God's Kingdom. And of course Rome has a terrible dispute with that Rome had a dispute with
England being the center for God's king or the United Kingdom. The Pope felt that he was the vicar of Christ, and that was the basis for two world wars that we got involved in as to who and what secret society was going to be in dominating the world, the old world of Rome or the new world of Anglo American