Chapter 5 | Bam Bam

I was blown away because I'm like, why would his fingerprint be in the vehicle? Why would that not have been something that had been investigated.

When police Captain Cinda Williams ran the Prince that had been found in Michelle Scofield's car seventeen years ago, she wasn't expecting anything, but there was.

A hit, so I ran a criminal history check on Jeremy Scott.

Now Cinda wasn't really supposed to have run these prints. The Michelle Scofield case is under Polk County's jurisdiction, not Henry County, where she works, but because of her friendship with Chrissy, she decides to look into Jeremy Scott anyway.

It felt like it was the right thing to do, and he had an extensive criminal history. And when I say extensive, imediate mostly violent.

Crime charges of grand theft, burglary, multiple assaults, arson, and two arrests for murder.

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Bone Valley Chapter five, bam bam, Who is Jeremy Scott? Who is this man whose fingerprints turned up in the car Michelle Schofield was driving on the night she was murdered. Kelsey and I wanted to find out everything we could about him. We started filing record requests.

We got police reports from both the Sheriff's office and the Lakeland Police Department. They documented dozens of Jeremy's arrests in Polk County, and we were also able to get our hands on Jeremy's psychiatric reports. He was evaluated by psychologists while awaiting trial on a homicide charge.

This homicide charge, Jeremy would eventually be convicted for it. We'll get back to that later. But after he was found guilty, several of Jeremy's family members testified, pleading with the judge and jury to spare Jeremy's life, to sentence him to life in prison instead of giving him the death penalty. Their testimony about Jeremy's childhood and upbringing paints a Scott family portrait that can only be described as

Jeremy was born in Michigan on April twenty ninth, nineteen sixty nine. According to family testimony, his mother, Linda immediately rejected him when she brought him home from the hospital. Linda didn't want anything to do with him. She was fifteen at the time in using drugs, so she left him with her parents. So Jeremy's grandparents, Arlene and Stacy Scott, they raise him, and Jeremy grows up calling them mom and Dad, and they call him Bam Bam because he

Then one day, when Jeremy was two or three, he was left without supervision and was hit by a neighbor's car. His psych reports say that there was significant injury to the right frontal area of his skull. It seems this incident may have left Jeremy with lasting brain damage, and soon after Jeremy's uncle Tom moved in. Tom pretty severely abused Jeremy. He would beat him and call him names. According to his aunt Debbie's testimony, when Jeremy starts school,

And then we get to the mid to late seventies and the family starts to relocate down to Florida. They were up in Michigan, and they start trickling down to various parts of the state, settle in Perry in the Florida Panhandle, and also in central Florida, Lakeland, Kissimi, Davenport, and Mulberry.

It's hard to piece together exactly where Jeremy was and when and who cared for him. He was being passed back and forth between different caregivers, different family members.

But at some point he ends up back with his mother, Linda. Jeremy's aunt, Debbie, says that Linda was beating him with belts and with sticks, and the school he was attending at that time took notice. They reported the abuse, and it seems like at that point Jeremy was removed from his mother's care and placed into foster care.

After fourth grade, Jeremy stops regularly attending school, and by eighth grade, he's apparently dropped out of school entirely Somewhere in that time he starts getting in trouble with the law too. The first arrest we have on recD is August nineteen eighty It was for petty theft, burglary, criminal mischief, dealing in stolen property, and unauthorized use of a motor vehicle, all misdemeanor charges. But he was only eleven years old.

And then in January of nineteen eighty two, he's arrested for grand theft and burglary and those are felony charges. Jeremy was twelve, and this is when things become a little more serious for him. There are some real repercussions. He sent away to Okachobe, the juvenile detention facility in South Florida, so he's in and out of Okachobe between the ages of thirteen and fifteen.

After one of Jeremy's stays at Okachobe, he lands in a little in Polk County, just outside of Lakeland. It's called Eagle Lake. From Jeremy's criminal records and police reports, we learn about a murder that took place in this area in nineteen eighty five, when Jeremy was just fifteen years old. So we tried to track down some of the other people whose names we found in the documents.

Okay, I'm out here.

I'm about to meet with Nancy, and I think her mother, Wilma is here. I'm just gonna walk over there right now. They're sitting on a picnic bench underneath a tree. Nancy and her mom, Wilma, are still living in the area where the crime took place. I called them after seeing Nancy's name in a witness deposition. I was especially interested in talking to them because they said they remember Jeremy. Hello, you must be Wilma. We talked on the phone.

Gilbert, Hi, Nancy, how are you.

Nancy says she first met Jeremy while he was working the rides at the Florida Citrus Festival in nearby winter Haven. Nancy was around thirteen years old and Jeremy was fifteen.

We all went to the fair, and we'd go every single night. What kind of fair was it? It was just a carnival. You had the sea Dragon. You had the Zipper, the one that spends around Himalaya.

What was Jeremy Scott doing there?

He was actually running the Sea Dragon.

And he so he when you were at the fair, liked he would be the guy that would put you on the rides. That was his job.

No, he actually was the one that turned it on. It was the mechanical part.

So he was basically a carney.

A carney.

Nancy and her friends would see him every night over the ten days the festival was in town.

So when me and the girls got on him, we got an extra ride, like, hey, I got that extra ride.

And when the festival eventually packs up, Jeremy sticks around the area.

I think he just came into town and decided to stay for a little bit. He was quiet, I mean, like shy, very shy compared to like the average kids. And I mean until you got to know you, you know, I do know he was like maybe slow. I don't know how to better explain him. He just was different, you know. I don't know if it's a disability or what.

Because back then, Nancy grew up with the sense that she should protect kids like Jeremy, so she would make sure to include him when she and her friends would play sports and hang around the park. Jeremy would stay over at their house some nights too, he'd crash on the couch.

He was polite because it was like he had respect, I guess his best way to say it, because I never saw temper out of him or anything.

But then Jeremy stops coming over to Nancy and Wilma's house as often, and Nancy she starts seeing Jeremy with one of her neighbors, an ex con by the name of Smoky Johnson. Smokey picks up Jeremy while he's hitchhiking one day. Smokey is forty six and Jeremy is just fifteen.

Honestly, I mean, it's really weird that somebody that much older would be hanging out with me, you know.

That spring On April eleventh, nineteen eighty five, Smoky's seventy five year old mother, Juel Johnson, was found dead in a locked trailer behind her house.

Well, she lived right around the corner from where we.

Lived, right and jul Johnson was just like a sweet elderly woman.

I mean, yes, saying that she was a very sweet lady.

Now that's what I told different people that I knew quite well, yeah, that.

That she's a very sweet lady. Juel Johnson suffered blunt force trauma to the head and she was in the torso, presumably with the twenty two caliber rifle found at the scene. Detective Richard Putnall, the same detective that would work Michelle Schofield's murder two years later, conducts the investigation. Detective Putnall talks to Jule Johnson's son, Smoky, who says that about fifty dollars in rolled coins was taken from the house,

He just swung by the house to tell us why. Like, the conversation was really really short, not like where he was before that, you know, he laughed or whatever. It was just different. He just said that we wouldn't get to see him no more. He was staying away because he was in trouble.

After I interviewed Nancy and Wilma at the ballpark, they tell me to follow their car and they'll point out Juel Johnson's house. And this is really roll back.

Here a lot less houses, just a little farmhouse.

And it's cattle. Yeah, there it is.

I can see the little shed in the back under tree. That's where I think they found the body of jul Johnson. Investigators weren't able to lift any prince from the rifle found at the crime scene. Whoever shot Juel Johnson must have wiped down the weapon afterwards, but they were able to lift fingerprints from a coin wrapper and Jewel's broken eyeglasses. The Polk County Sheriff's Office compares the prince to Jeremy's. It's a match. Jeremy Scott, now sixteen, becomes the lead

Jeremy was in jail, and he was a young man, very immature, very mentally I'm gonna say mentally disturbed in the sense that he had a number of mental illnesses. He was a severely abused child. You know, he was cutting himself quite a bit in the jail.

This is Austin meslank who was an attorney with the Public Defender's Office. Meslanic was assigned to represent Jeremy in the murder of Jule Johnson.

I mean the state was seeking the death penal to you, because this was before the United States Supreme Court had ruled the juveniles were not eligible for the death penalty, and you know, in Polk County at that time, the state went for the death penalty just about every case.

He was young, he was difficult, sometimes he was cooperative, sometimes he wasn't.

This is Tony Maloney. She's the investigator from the Public Defender's Office. She was assigned to Leo Schofield's case in nineteen eighty eight, before Leo dropped them and hired Jack Edmund instead. But before all that, back in nineteen eighty five, she was assigned to Jeremy Scott's defense in the Jule Johnson murder.

It was hard for him to stay on tasks for any period of time, and then even when he did, it was sort of like, you know, is he really connecting the dots here? Not out of touch with reality, but an inability to calmly control.

At trial, the state presents a pretty simple case. They say that while Smokey Johnson is at work, Jewel catches Jeremy trying to steal her rolls of coins. She tells Jeremy, she's calling the sheriff, so he hits her over the head and shoots her with a rifle. But the public defenders did witness interviews and brought in a mental health expert to defend Jeremy at trial, and you put on.

A pretty aggressive defense, Yes, we did.

Jeremy takes the stand at trial and says that it was Smoky Johnson who killed his own mother. Jeremy says he was a witness to the killing. He said it happened after Smoky and Jewel argued about smoking weed. Several jurors said that they didn't think Jeremy killed Juel Johnson because he didn't seem intelligent enough to remove his fingerprints from the murder weapon. Smokey, on the other hand, had done some time for selling, and he apparently didn't come

That's sort of a bitch, arrowing a bunch of people's lives.

This is Lee Underwood. We reached out to him because he was a close friend to Michelle Schofield's back in the day.

She was a very very very special friend of mine, like a sister.

It was Michelle who gave him his nickname, Lee the Flea, and she named.

Me that.

Basically as I was always playing to lead the polis and that name is stuck would mad till today.

We tracked Leave the Flee down in Wisconsin, and as we were talking, the interview took an unexpected turn.

You didn't know Jeremy Scott, did you. I was in jail with them back in eighty Sorry.

We checked this and Lee is a little off on the year based on arrest records. The cops finally caught up with Lee in nineteen eighty five. They locked him up in the Polk County JA on charges of well fleeing police, and Lee tells us one of his cellmates then was Jeremy Scott. Lee was there when Jeremy set his mattress on fire, and he remembers when Jeremy was acquitted of killing jul Johnson.

I don't know how he got off of it. He get bragged to everybody in the cell about doing it. This guy was crazy. He'd like make a shank like a jail knife out of a razor right around the jail, cutting people just at random. This kid was crazy and he had a look in his eye just like like he wasn't right.

Jeremy is convicted on the arson charge and shipped off to state prison. By the time he's released, it's December nineteen eighty. Leo and Michelle Schofield have been married for about four months. They're living in the little trailer near Comby Settlement. They're going to church. Leo's playing music and Michelle has yet to start her job at Tom's restaurant. Jeremy Scott is back on the streets, and this time he's in Lakeland.

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Let's see, this is just kind of describing Lakeland, how it all came to be.

We're at Heide's Eeman's house looking through boxes. Heidi, her sister Wendy, and their parents were living in Lakeland when Jeremy Scott entered their lives. Heidie's parents were professors, her dad taught Greek, and her Mom taught English, and for a while in the nineteen eighties they took in local teenagers they called throwaway kids who'd been kicked out or were living on the streets. The Zeemans offered them a place to stay.

My dad was he was a writer. He just wrote, so when he passed away, there were just boxes and boxes of writing. So as I was pulling everything out, I was trying to decide, you know, what was what. And I came across this and I was like, oh, my gosh, like this is the story of all the kids. So it was pretty neat. And then I found Mom's notebook and I was like, oh, this is really cool that they both wrote the kids' stories.

The Zeemans first started taking in kids living on the street when Heidi's sister Wendy started dating a boy named Mike Jason.

Yeah, I've been on the streets when I was fourteen because my brother and I got didn't get along, so you know, I just felt like I was the black sheep of the family, so I left. I was scared I was going to die. Honestly, living on the streets, didn't know where you're going to eat. You wore the same clothes all the time, and uh, it was struggle.

Heidi and Wendy's parents let Mike live with them, and then they start letting some of Mike's friends who also had nowhere else to go into their house.

And then before you knew it, it was like, you know, there were so many kids and they just they would.

Sleep wherever they could fit at the Zeeman's house, in the garage, on couches or on the living room floor. When they ran out of floor space and couch space, someone might sleep on the recliner.

And then I kind of became part of the family.

Rob Morales was one of the teens staying at the Zeeman house. Rob also went by spot because you had this one patch of white on a head full of black hair.

I flipped on the couch because I didn't have any pits to go. Well, that's where I met Jeremy.

It's the summer of nineteen eighty eight, the summer that Leo Schofield is arrested in charged with the murder of his wife Michelle. Jeremy Scott, homeless, finds his way into the Zeman House in Lakeland. He's nineteen years old now, but he's already had a couple of stints in state prison. Spot describes Jeremy as impulsive and violent.

Usually every time you know, we met up, we're either getting into a fight with someone else, or you know, he was always the first to come to gun.

He made me nervous.

This is Tracy Slaughter that summer nineteen eighty eight. She's sixteen, she's dating Spot, and she and Wendy Zeeman are almost inseparable.

That was the Death Leopard summer. And you walk around with your gray boombox and you keep slipping it back and forth. Wendy and I would walk and we would walk, and we would walk. We would walk everywhere. And you had to have your your Bouga Shelle necklace on, and you had to have your your black leather like a stretchy leer targ type pants that had looked like they were satiny looking, you know, and then some type of

This is a summer Tracy would never forget. As Tracy's hanging out at the Zeeman house, she sees Jeremy coming and going with his friend Cheryl. Cheryl is about ten years older than Tracy, and she has a car. One night, Cheryl takes Tracy and Wendy Zeman out for a ride, So.

We went and she bought a bottle of Segrum seven don't drink it.

To this day.

Then Cheryl says, we need to go pick up Jeremy, and that's what they do.

I knew that I didn't want him to be there, that's all. That was just my feeling, because then Cheryl also let him drive, and we thought that was odd because she relinquished her vehicle over to him. And I remember when we stopt the be convenience storage by the second model of Seagram seven.

Yeah, Jeremy drops off Wendy and Cheryl at the Zeman house. He drives off with Tracy for coffee to sober her up before taking.

Her home, and then it all just went to help him there.

Tracy tells me that instead of taking her home, Jeremy drives her to a wooded area off a two lane road. It's dark, there aren't any street lights, and very little traffic. She doesn't go into detail, but she makes it clear that Jeremy sexually assaulted her that night. She says she can remember laying in the sand on the side of the road and hearing a car drive by without stopping.

I was sixteen years old, and then that was my welcome into the world.

Around the same time, Heidie Zeman starts noticing that her sister Wendy is not really acting like herself.

It was obvious there was something wrong.

One day, Jeremy's in the house and the Zeman's here Wendy scream.

He walked in on her one day in the shower and she ripped the shower curtain off and started screaming, and so, you know, we kind of knew that was such a violent reaction that she had to him. You know, you could tell something had happened.

Wendy tells her mom that not long before the shower incident, Jeremy had raped her. Jeremy didn't want to be thrown out of the house, so we tried to keep Wendy quiet.

From my understanding, he told her that if she if she told anybody, or if she did anything, he would kill her. And so I think she was just terrified fourteen year old girl.

The Zeemans do kick Jeremy out of the house, and now they're left to figure out what to do next. They're devastated about what Jeremy did to Wendy, but the Zeemans as a family, basically decide that they were not going to report Jeremy's sexual assault. They just didn't want to expose their fourteen year old daughter to an investigation in a trial. And Wendy Zeman wouldn't seem to recover from the trauma that happened so early in her life.

What did she do afterwards?

She never did anything after that. She never went back to school, she was never ablem beholding job. She got to the point where she didn't want to leave the house. I mean, she was just so paranoid about everything and everybody, and it just got worse through the years.

And then there's Tracy.

If I say that something I did today was because of him, I'm allowing him to control my life, and I'm allowing him to attack me and be ugly to me. Every single time that I allow him to take part of my life, I'm not giving him. He's gotten all for me, he's ever getting from me.

After Jeremy sexually assaulted her, she stopped talking to her best friend Wendy and stopped going to the Zeeman's house. She just wanted to move on. Tracy still lives in Polk County. She's got her own children now, and I got the impression that she's happily married and doing well. Her friend, Wendy Zemon wasn't so lucky. Her mental and physical health continued to decline, and she died of heart failure in twenty fifteen at the age of forty one.

I felt bad after you told me that Wendy had passed and stuff like that. I was like, maybe I should have continued being her friend. I didn't know that he affected her, and she didn't know he affected me, so you know what I mean. So I kind of felt I still kind of feel like shit, but there's none I can do about it. It is what it is at this point.

So the Ziemans had their hearts in the right place. According to their youngest daughter, Heidi, her parents did make a difference in the lives of some of the kids, like Spott, who had a successful military career, and returned to Lakeland to thank mister and missus Zemon for all their help. But some of the throwaway kids that went through the Zeeman house weren't as lucky as spot. Many of the ended up dead or in prison, and the Zeeman's older daughter, Wendy, paid the price for her parents'

So he starts off with the kids who passed away. Yeah, so he starts off with Harry, which she was so attached to Harry.

So Aaron Louis.

Mister and Missus Zemon tried to keep track of them all to record some details about each life. To them, they weren't throwaways, they were children who had fallen through the cracks.

And then this is the part, like I said, that talks about Jeremy. When he talks about Jeremy, he even says, I'm not going to give him his own story because I'm not going to give him the satisfaction of giving him his own story because of what he did.

In his journal, mister Zieman acknowledges Jeremy's troubled life, but he also goes on to say that Jeremy, upset about being kicked out of the house, cut the brakes on Missus Zeeman's car, But mister Zeeman writes that murder attempt was not successful. After Jeremy Scott left so much destruction in his wake, he took off with another boy who was living at the Ziemans. His name is Larry Bryan Hall,

Jeremy and him were what he's going off in the evening at nighttime when Brian stayed at my place.

Mike seems concerned because he knew Brian could easily get caught up with the wrong people like Jeremy.

He was trying to figure out how to survive, and he followed people. I just think he didn't know any better. He would just do whatever somebody said to do.

You know.

That was one of the things Brian told me. He said he was scared of him.

Brian eventually moves out of Mike's apartment and goes off with Jeremy. But Jeremy and Brian have nowhere to live. They're staying wherever they can, sometimes in abandoned buildings. They start breaking into houses together. Spots still in the area too, and he hears the Jeremy and Brian are hanging out in downtown Lakeland at night around Lake Morton.

Okay, well, Late Morton used to be a oh I gotta put this a gay pickup zone.

Oh, okay, so that was I hate to get graphic.

It's okay, it's okay.

So at that time, what happened was anybody that was looking to get money, you would hang out at the lake at night, and then somebody would drive around the lake and if they flashed their lights, that meant that they were looking. And then you would flash your lights, which meant that, yes, you were available, so they would do whatever they wanted, you know, and then they'd pay

So he was kind of a hustler.

Yes, according to Spot, Jeremy was targeting gay men, usually he'd rob them, and these men were not likely to contact law enforcement, not if they had to explain to police why they were cruising around Lake Morton. This is what Jeremy and Brian were up to on Halloween night nineteen eighty eight. It's about three am and they're hanging out by the lake. Jeremy's been drinking and they call

But the robbery, everything just happened, been such a even after all these years, still uncomfortable to you and talk about.

Here's Brian Hall. He's serving a life sentence at Hardy Correctional Institution. He's thin, sunken eyes, and graying hair. He tells us what happened in the trailer with Jeremy.

Waited until Donald was asleep and was looking for money and things in the house or the trailer, and then the last thing I was expecting was that he was gonna kill him.

Brian didn't go into great detail, but according to the testimony he gave in court, here's what happened. Jeremy woke Brian up early in the morning on November first. He was searching Donald's trailer for cash. Jeremy tells Brian that they'll need to kill Donald so he doesn't turn them in. And then Jeremy picks up a glass bottle of grape juice and repeatedly hits Donald over the head with it.

And he did it in such a way that this seemed like you had swat a fly. Just just didn't seem to have any concern or conscience on it.

What were you thinking while you were sitting there and watching this happen.

It was.

Just like an out of body experience. I was just in fear of seeing something that you didn't think someone was capable of doing It was just a side of him that I didn't see. Sometimes you find out more and more as time goes on about people that you never knew. You never knew him like you thought you knew him.

After killing Donald, Brian and Jeremy steal his Chevy. They take off to a town called Davenport, about thirty miles east in Polk County. Jeremy's mother and stepfather live there, and his brother lived close by. But when a police helicopter starts circling over the neighborhood, Jeremy runs off into the woods. Deputies are in pursuit now, and Jeremy surrenders. He leads them to his mom's trailer, where Brian is sleeping. The two teenagers are arrested and taken into custody in

So I picked up the telephone and I contacted Polk County Sheriff's office.

It's two thousand and four. Jeremy and Leo have both been serving more than fifteen years in prison. When Cinda Williams finds out the fingerprints in Michelle Schofield's car match Jeremy Scott sind de seize Jeremy's rap sheet, theft, assault, arson, vagrancy, burglary. The list goes on topped off by two first degree murders, acquitted of one, convicted of the other.

And so I spoke to a sergeant and I told him, listen, this is something that has come to light here. I understand it is not you know, our jurisdiction or our investigation, but I need to give you this information because I feel it's important. This print was run. It came back to an individual named Jeremy Scott. I think you guys need to probably look at this. I don't know if you've ever looked at it before. Here's the information.

Then she calls Leo's wife, Chrissy.

I couldn't believe it. I was expecting a tow truck driver and instead they match a killer.

Realistically, what would the case look like had this state known it at the time.

Scott Kupp hears the news from his wife Cinda that night, and he's thinking from a legal perspective that Leo would never be in prison if these prints in Michelle Schofield's Mazda had been properly investigated back in nineteen eighty seven.

This prosecutor, this police agency, they knew all too well about who Jeremy Scott was, and if part of their initial investigation was the identity of those prints to Jeremy Scott, that's where the investigation would have gone. I mean, Aguerra was a good prosecutor. I mean he convicted Leo with nothing. Imagine what he could have done with Jeremy Scott.

After getting a match on the fingerprints. There's a celebratory dinner. That's what Chrissy's up to. When she gets a call from Leo, she doesn't want to tell him anything on the phone, though she's going to visit him in the morning. She wants to tell him in person, so instead she hands the phone over to Scott Cup. Cup had been trying to stay out of Leo's case. He'd only agreed to represent Chrissy, but now he sees that there's evidence

He says to me, I'm going to get you out of there in ninety days, buddy, my wife was giddy. He was giddy, and this is my mom's feeling.

I magravated the shit.

I'm like, you gotta fucking be kidding me, you know, he sounds half lit. I'm in a prison and my emotions are now exploding.

The next morning, Chrissy comes to the prison and meets with Leo in the visitation room.

So I sit down and I say, we have a match on the fingerprints and give him a name. And at the time, I didn't realize how difficult that was going to be for him. It was very painful. His first reaction was to put his head down and cry.

I've had this mantle of a murderer on my shoulders for all these years, you know, And to come out and say, we got the guy's we got him. He's forensically linked, we know who it is.

He's a murderer, and.

All this other stuff, and I'm saying, that's the guy who murdered my life, you know what I mean.

So there was so much.

It's just it was an explosion of stuff and I got I was, I was, I was really mad, and it took me some days too long.

To get control of.

When Sindon notifies the Polk County Sheriff's Office about the Prince, a new investigation into Jeremy Scott is opened. Two cold case detectives from the Polk County Sheriff's Office are sent to interview Jeremy in prison. They tell him that his prints were found inside the car of Michelle Schofield, who was murdered eighteen years ago. They asked Jeremy what he knows. Jeremy says he doesn't know anything about a murder, but if his fingerprints are in the car, maybe he'd broken

Grandma, I want you to listen carefully.

All right, all right, I'm listening.

Has anybody come tward to you?

What murder? Murder?

Murder?

Who got murdered some girl back in eighty seven, eighty seven.

When we lived on Combe Road.

Yeah, they said they found the girl's body in the lake.

Lor right, Well just tell them you don't know nothing, and I ain't seen nothing, heard nothing, and just leave you alone for they coming back. Grandma, Well just tell him you don't know nothing. But they call him back, Grandma. They ain't got no proof, so they got all that could have been anybody too, right, What I mean, m damn cops. All they do is frame vapl Oh Lord, they're prom stupid. I hate god damn cops. Son of a pictures. I hate them, girl, they come to get me.

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