Episode 51 - Ross Copperman

kind of what we're dealing with here with Ross. So I'm gonna play some of Ross's songs here because Ross is uh world renown songwriter written songs like scene and we're gonna get too all day Keith Urban John Dear, how about Glory Georgia Confession, Low Cas, I know somebody Kenny set in the World on Fire. We Luke Brian strip it down. You have a lot. There's mane Hewny number ones. Do you have fourteen number one? So there's a lot, and we'll get to a lot of these

as we go. You know, as I start to look at these songs here, for example, this one setting the World on Fire. So I was told the story before and I didn't know it was a secret or I just couldn't. It just could have came out of my mouth because Kenny never told me it was a secret when he told me this. So Kenny and I are sitting around and he says, hey, you know because setting the wall on fire, it was just about it was

it was just about to be number one. And Kenny are sitting next to each other and he goes, hey, you know this was never gonna be a single, and I was like, really, goes yeah, he goes, Pink got pregnant so she had to come off the road. Yeah, I've never heard that story. Oh you don't know. This story is crazy. You wrote this song. You don't know that. Okay, So I want to tell you this story, and you tell me about how the song came together. Okay, okay.

So Kenny and I are sitting here and he goes, we're playing about to play the song overhead, and he said, hey, you're never gonna believe this, and Kenny curses a lot. You know, I believe this, baby, you know, like, what is it? And he goes, this was never going to be a single. But not because I didn't love the song, he said, but because Pink was about to go on tour and she wanted to put her own music out and she didn't want to have two things at once

hitting each other. And so because she got pregnant, she pulled back, She pulled everything off the radio, and they were like, hey, go ahead, and if you want to make that a single, make that a single. And had she not become a single at least not then yeah, And so I was like, wow, he never said that a secret, right did He realized she got pregnant and that's why. And so I'm thinking, wow, I know this

great story, but I keep secret. You know, when you have friends at working in business, you either are really good to keep it secrets or you're allowed mouth. And so I just don't say anything because it's not my place to say. But it's a good story. But like three months later, it was like breaking news, Kenny admits, and I was like, what do you mean? So what did you know about this? That's amazing? You know, it

kind of came back to me now. I remember Pink was on the song, and I knew she was putting out a new record, so I remember hearing you know it won't be a single because she's gonna make it the record. And then so you did hear that. I do now that you say that it's kind of coming back, but I never heard then. I just heard, oh, it's the next single. I never because you know, we had Noise first and Nois was kind of quick to come and go, and then this one happened really fast, so

I never heard. The reason I never heard that it was because she got pregnant so her music was on hold. Crazy, that's crazy. I never knew that. I never I can't belave. I never thought. I'm glad I could bring up out of your podcast Ross, I'm sharing stories. So that song there, when you wrote it, did you write it as a duet? We didn't at all. And you know what, you write it with Josh Osborne and Matt Jenkins, and we didn't think of this song. It's not like this is one

of those ones. We got home that night and we were like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna this is the one man, this this is one of those ones. It was like it was like me and Josh's favorite song. And Josh was playing it out in rounds and playing it before anyone, playing it before anybody. He just started playing rounds and he'd be like, man, Ross, that that's set in the world. Fire song goes over really well in rounds. I was like, Oh cool, Josh, that's that's good man. And so then Kenny cut it and somehow

decided to put Pink on it. Kenny has a great like intuition to know. He just has this. I always say he's the best A and R guy in Nashville. I always feel like he picks about songs, are about songs and just and just do it A and or

he's record knowing to put Pink on that song. I never would have thought to put her on that song, and I feel like her being on that song the first time I heard I literally cried when I heard it in the studio with him, just because I grew up with Pink on the radio, and like just hearing her voice on a song that I was a part of writing was just mind numbing to me, you know. He I was talking to Kenny. It was the same night and Pink had come through with the top on us.

We were doing this interview whole thing, and Pain came over and they didn't. I don't think they'd spent a lot of time together, you know, And that's how it works. A lot of people don't realize that now because back in the old days. But when because I assumed I was born in the eighties. You born in the eighties, okay, early year, you earlier? Okay, like not like I'm not like Taylor Swift. That's where most people nowaday eight seven, like come on, man, count that. But people don't even

record it in the studio together anymore. Just generally they don't look together, and it's it's almost to listeners like, oh man, we I just want to imagine carrying boys, two men doing one Sweet Day, remember the video, and they're all in the studio together and it's like sorry, and they're back and forth. That's how I imagine every duet. And he was like, no, we really didn't. I will say when we did Different for Girls with Dirks. Dirks flew us on his little plane to Texas to l King.

There's no gonna and not that I want to let me tell you what hap a Ross, because Ross and I were both the darks after party at the A C M S. And so we go and we're there and I think the last time I was on all right, even on the air, because there are certain stories you come out of there with their stafe to tell and I told about Luke, and Luke goes up into the DJ boots and he's like, where's the microphone And he's like, there's no microphones, Like what was talking to the headphone?

So look, plugs in a pair of headphones into the microphone jacks, yelling through the headphones and think that works? Does that actually work? It does? All I know is that here looks screaming over the top of the speakers with distortion. And he's like, all right, people were gonna dance, and so everybody talks dancing. And I'm talking to Dirks and Dark is like, hey, I'm flying home tomorrow at three pm, and my flight was at like seven in the morning, right, And he's like, you can fly back

with me if you want. And I'm like, cool, Dirk's has got a jet and I'm gonna hop on Dark's jet and He's like, no, no, I flew my plane. I was like, I'm gonna go and go fly south west. There's no way. I'm Dirk is one of my favorite people in the whole world. Yeah, me too, But I'm not getting in a small plane. Where's the drunk on a plane hat? And the glasses too. When he's in the cockpit that small plane. Is that weird? It's weird, bro,

because you feel at all. And Dirk's at one point got off the plane and was like, that was one of the roughest rides I've ever had in my life. And he's got the drunk in a plane glasses and he's like over the loudspeaker, like, yeah, welcome to dude there. I don't need my pilot making chucks. I don't even

like on Southwest. We were flying into Kansas once and the pilot's storming, right, and the pilot comes on and he goes it wasnnder a little trivia here as we go through that, and I'm like, dude, just focus on the freak. I don't need Dirk's drunk on a planet. No, But he's actually a great pilot. I'm sure he is. I like pilots whose main job is to be a pilot. It's not to be a superstars is like drinks on stage too, right, He's got to have a few drinks

on stage and then he flies home. I don't listen. I doubt regardless, Darks as an artist and a dad, and then he's a pilot in order I need my pilots to be up ranked around one first. Maybe too hilarious. So speaking of Dirk's let's see for Dirk's man. You have so many songs here. Um, you wrote tip it on back? Was this the first dark song you wrote? That was the That song started everything for me? Everything,

I really think it is. That's just Oh, I really do owe my career to Dirk's And I always tell him that because he took a chance on that song and it was my first big single I've ever had. It got to five and then uh, he liked the demos, so then we're starting to hang out any and that's when he asked me to produce his record Riser, and that really did. That really did started off for me. So you credit Dirk says, I really do, and I always tell him, really, I really do. And the is

your first single. I think Thompson Glass before that, but this is your first top ten. This is my first top ten. Yeah, it's all Night, I have Glass, I have it all ros. I know that I'm like Wikipedia, Ross Comproman, Gosh, I'm scared, scared. So Thompson Spurred has a song. Okay, let's just why far back. I have a lot of you as the UK pop You don't, I do. I don't look at my screen. I have all of it and we'll get there. Oh my god. So you moved to town. Let's just talk about Nashville first.

You moved to Nashville to be a songwriter? What year? Oh man? I always say, it's about ten years ago? What would that be? Six seven is ship? Yeah? And you move here, and I mean, are you stable when you move here? Financially? Do you have friends? Like so I had. I had a record deal in the UK, and so I had a publishing deal with E M I there and I was locked into this E M I UK publishing deal that never ended and I was done with being an artist, and so I was stuck

in this deal. And I met I got named Josh me and Walkenberg in at the big Loud Shirt parking lot party and I was like, Hey, I write for you, my Do you think you could listen to some of my songs? And he was like sure, dude, whatever, And so I played him some songs and he kind of took Mender's wing and like he played songs with your instrument and voice? So you played yeah, my guitar and then he started he really he really developed me. He is the reason. Also, there's so many people this town. Man,

it doesn't just happen, you know fast. It was definitely ten years for me. Um, and you had Josh took me in his wing. And then Bradley Collins from bm I sent me to the Key West Songwriters Festival and I came back with so many new friends. I went down there not knowing anyone. Kit More was one of my first friends. Be and him were goofing around down there, Ryan Scooters Ackwards and being crazy and um, yeah, I

made some of my best friends down there. So you start riding in town with a lot of people, and I'm sure you're a hundred songs or so before Glass, it's it's oh yeah. So whenever you first get that, hey, this is gonna be the single for an artist. It's on the radio. That's a big deal, right. Me and John Knight first time we met, we wrote Glass together, just us in a room with guitar, green carpet floor, the old m I building. Um, we just stared into

each other's eyes longingly and like we really did. And we've literally have been best friends since that day and and this song top fifteen, Yeah, top fifteen. I love those guys, tough to Square. Yeah, some of my favorite people keep us funny, so oddly funny, oddly funny, like you don't expect different, it's oddly funny. This is oddly funny. We think you're just messing a TV show together. It ended up not getting picked up with the whole process

of yeah, a TV production company, so we wish. Yeah, but don't you have many I try everything, nothing really works. That's the thing. I try a little bit. I didn't try to get in everything. My dad's pretty geeked out that I'm doing this interview with you today. He's a huge fan of he is he Yeah, he's in Ronan, Virginia, so he listens to all this stuff. Oh yeah, that's awesome. And you're from you grew up Virginia, Virginia. So Tom Square cuts glass. They call you and say hey, and

then it goes about where to go twelve twelve? Yeah, so at twelve, that was a huge deal with that. But do you like, do you make good money at twelve or thirteen? Back then? Back? Yeah? I feel like back then you actually made more. Yeah, because songs don't just go to this is my theory. Now it's just flash it flies, and I know you're you have a million number ones, so don't take offense to this in anyway.

Here's my problem with the format right now is that there are so many number ones that the music is not going to last because we don't get to sit with it. I agree number ones are forgotten. That that's why these people that buy song catalogs, I'm I was like,

why are you doing it? Because you know there's like four quarters of a song paying money and then it really the drop off is like Matt Everest, we don't give these songs enough time to breathe, and especially with the superstars, and it's not the SuperStar's fault they're a superstar. It is the superstars who go the fastest. Like if if even now Dirk's is up on that a list, but if it's Dirk or Blake or Luke or any of these guys, and it's the record label's fault, it's

radio's fault. It's everyone's sing about it because it's just like to get it, shoot, shoot up gone. But then they can't even play all their number ones at a concert. Luke especially because they go by so and and Luke's forties not like sixty five. And we and you forget sometimes with these songs because we were talking about strip it Down, which you strip it Down was on this last album. It's six number ones Luke's last album. And it's crazy. But you know why I have do the though,

because you can song shoot up so fast. Yeah, and and then albums suffer because everyone's just writing the singles. You want to get six singles on a record, that's crazy. So okay, talk about this one. Yeah. We we went out to Luke's farm, the first time we've ever been out there. His place blew our mind. We were we thought we were on another planet. He's got his like the river stocked with trout. Somehow, I don't even understand

how that works. How the trouter in one place, like he says, you know, he goes and he he stocks it hard with tiny ones and he grows them big. But I don't have a stay on his property. Why don't they end up down somewhere? I think? But my theory is he has someone that comes right before you come and they throw them right into the area where you're going to be in a whole lot of so you can show up. Because he has money, he can do that. Yeah, he did have a field with deer.

He's like, oh, the deer bend down over there. You just it felt like in a tree stand right there is like it was like Disney. It's like Dilukeworld. Yeah, we're thinking the right place at the right time. It's like a safari where you know where the outfits are going to be up. So we rode around his farm, we rode around through the river. He's shown us everything. It's the most amazing I ever seen. We came back

ate some some dear jerky. He grabbed at an acoustic and he's like he started he started playing these chords and he started he literally started singing in the chorus um and me and John were like, whoa, what is what is that? I got opened my laptop started recording him. It's like writing down as fast as I could twenty minutes. He kind of just he just kind of spouted out lines. Me and John were just catching it, and he's like, all right, boy, you wanna want to wrap it up?

Finished his another time or something. So we're like, no, let's just keep fighting. And so and then so we went home and basically the whole song was like in the scattered of three pages of just notes and we kind just piece it together and with Luke's help and then he cut it. And crazy at this level where you are now with because as we'll see, it wasn't

always easy and it wasn't always awesome. Um, but now you have success, and you have money, and you have people they're dying to write with you and work with you as you produce, and like you're you know, you're growing just as an entity, like you're doing all these things. But uh, for you, Like how hard is it for you? Like for someone let's say writer comes to town right and at first like probably get right with you pretty easy,

like whenever you're not making any money. But now do you just go sit and write for artists specifically or do you just still write songs and see where they land? Mostly? Man, you know we do, And I feel like the best songs getting ritten like that when it's me and John and Shane or me and Josh Osborne and Ranny Clausen are Like I feel like that's how you write the best songs when you're not thinking about anything and you're just trying to write the best song in the room

that day. But are artists they're calling you, They're and going, hey, Ross, comes sit with me because you're writing all these hits. Well, a lot of artists are such good writers. Luke is Luke would be one of the he'd be being my song on the year every year, Luke, Brian Wood Dirk's

is a great songwriter, Keith Grett. They're all so good, um, and so yeah, when we go right with them, they always have like a year of ideas stocked up because they've been on the road tour and so and they're not writing every day, so we're like flexing the muscle every day so we can help to shape them. But how hard is it to think of different stuff every day? Though? Like what have you what have you done today to right today? Yeah, Craig Wiseman, Okay, so you're going ro

with Craig Wiseman. Who who know, I'll tell you today. That's a great Yeah, go ahead, No, No, Craig Wiseman has been around and written so many and probably a million stories. Like it's probably awesome to go sit with someone like that because they have so much that you can hear and be inspired by. And you know, we didn't have a title today and we're kind of just we're grinding. He was telling stories. I was just learning from him. And I saw like he had a key

chain on the on the table big loud shirt. You know what his name is, Publishing. I was like, Craig, have you ever written big loud shirt? He's like, wow, no, I've never written that, And so we we we're gonna write we started it big glove shirt. But that's how things happened, like you just see something or like like when we wrote um for Thousand Horses Smoke, he had a black BlackBerry smoke hat on Michael Hobby did so had he had the bands. I was just staring. We

didn't have an idea. I was just staring at his hat smoke. I was like, smoke, it's not smoke, Not that it's most I really feel like nowadays, simpler the better, Like simple title that you can tell in a different way. That's that's just what I'm into right now. So you wrote this song on Michael who else? And John Knight? You know it's weird. It makes sense because I do

the same thing. We get into our little front path the people we trust, and we like to work with people we trust and like, who are who are your people? John will be first, Um, Josh Osborne and Shane McNally, Ronnie Class and Nicole and do you call Cole Nicole Class called them? How far in advanced do you guys set up these rights? You know, we book our years out all the way to December. You book, you book a year out. We do, and then but we leave it kind of loose so that we can fill in,

like like me and Ashley Goalley. He'll be one of those that I trust. I mean, he's probably got to be one of the best ever to exist songwriter wise. He's like rain Man. I've never seen anyone right like him. But we'll we'll do like two days with Ashley every month through December, and then we'll fill it in as we go. So Bill, like Billy Kurtnan is coming to town. Hey, you know I think I'm like, oh, jump in with

me Ashley this day or something. So you guys will have a right set and then you'll leave a spot and someone will hop in. It's constantly juggle. It's we're up at night at eleven o'clock and night every night texting, oh what if we do this here? Throw this person here, like constant juggle to try and maximize every right you have to nowadays because it's so hard to get outside cuts.

Like you said, like when just three writers get in the room to try to write the best song, even the best song these days is the best songs are not always winning. Now what wins artists who write there on songs they can also get paid for it. I do think those songs win now man. Unfortunately it makes sense that they do, and and not saying that it's wrong, it does. We just put the shoe on my foot. Yeah, let's say I write a song and it's almost as

good as as a as a song that's announced. It's it didn't had to be as good, but it's so close and I'm a superstar, and I know my superstar is will push that over the limit. I'm cutting my song because I need to get paid. So the question doesn't matter. There's the big question. That's a big question, dude, is that is that Okay? Does that affect music as a whole? Does that does that matter? The answer is yes, But the superstar culture the same way the song number one.

It's like you said, somebody's gonna remember it. Anyways, these songs and in these all these songs that are you know, because McNally came in, we're talking about the same thing. And it's like back when we were kids and the nineties, like boot Scooting Bookie was number one for a while and it had a room to breathe. It took a long time to get there, and it just became like anthems of entire yeah eras like summers or winters or we just remember you know, the dance as being you know,

junior high. It was like six week number. That would never have that. Now is there a song that you could off the top of your head right now that would be like, oh, that was last summer, that was last summer. Let's know, you always say this is the song of the summer because I know I picked you know, I just talked about myself to talk sometimes. But let me think about that was the song, like, let's just pick in the last few years, is the first one

that comes to me? Okay, for you, that would be a song that you're like, boom that and that's gonna be one the last Okay, let me think, no one, no one's ever asked me. This is a really great question. Songs are out and in the past, let's say three four years that I think are going to last. It's a great question. I think, um, oh, man, yeah, because it's tricky, like I think something like, okay, I know, I just came to me too. I want to what what were you gonna say, girl crush? Girl crush? Is

it is? It might be? Maybe? Yeah, tell me well. I was gonna say something like, because it's gonna take something meaningful. Now I would say, like drink a beer for Luke. Oh wow, interesting, because I think that's one that will last with people because of the message. And then occasionally you will get an artist that will just create something that, like the Stapleton that entire Traveler record will last, will last. His new record sounds even better.

You know what's funny? Clips and I won't I have the whole record right, and I won't listen to it because I don't listen to music early and I love Chris, And Chris was like, I want you to have this record. I can't. It's like my favorite record, man, and you can have all the clips on iTunes. I'm listening like a minute twenty of each song or whatever you get, even the guy would I need to go to get it? I needed. I haven't asked anybody, but and I didn't.

I just because I'm gonna buy it. I don't want I want to buy that record. It's like that's the one that might be like one of the few records I buy it this year. I want to experience it like my people experience it because I need to be. I can't not be the people that listen to me, and so I want to get it the day up and be excited about it too. And so that's why

I won't listen to it. And Chris was so nice to say, I would love you to have this record, and I said back, I appreciate it, but I can't listen. The one album that I did listen to early because I'm just because I'm I had to was the new John Mayor record and it's not out yet and I have it you and I I don't have it. I'm holding on. I mean, beyond everything I'm going to this weekend. I'm a huge John Maravan. I think I've seen him thirteen times and I have the whole record yet, but

there's just four more songs. It's so good the most just four more and then that completes all three waves, and that completes the record. I'll tell you this too. It's amazing music. Is that. I think the culture of putting out a record at twelve songs, I was gonna die. So I wish you had died three years ago because I tell every artist, like, what's it's too much? People can't process the whole album. It's like, except the Stapleton record for some reason, it's nine songs. It's nine songs.

There's a huge cover on it. Yeah, you know, because Tennessee Whiskey is a cover um which, by the way, you know David Awnleeycote wrote it and George Jones covered it and people don't know this. But it doesn't matter is a thing. It doesn't matter. But yeah, it's also so I thought it was a new song though. Yeah. It's also like bring in on it. You're like, oh, Scotty new. Yeah. I think though that it's almost like

having a Thanksgiving meal, Thanksgiving dinner. Every meal when you get a new record of twelve songs, it's like, what do I eat? I'm gonna get full. I don't have enough time to listen to hour and minutes you anymore, And so I have to decide what songs I like the most really quickly, and we have our you know, our heart or Spotify whatever. We're racing songs if they don't fit. So we don't have time to enjoy it. You really don't because we can't spend time with it.

When John Mayra put him out four at a time, I got to spend time with me those songs, and I fell in love with all four time. And I don't think I would have you to put out twelve at a time. That's such a good. So I think the culture of the album is going to change because we're a d D like as a society. We didn't used to be. No, we don't have the option though the digital option was how to fix it? Because I

literally we're so d D now. I'm so what's gonna happen is though in ten years we're gonna go remember back in the good old days we were deleting. It's just everything progresses, just like music, Just like complaining about music. You know, we live now where everyone's like, well that's not country, that's not country. What happened? You know what happened ten years ago, every I was saying, that's not country, that's not country. You know what happened thirty years ago?

Everyone was saying that's not country. That it's just never going to end. And that's okay. How far does it go, that's a great question. Though it goes as far as it would just keep going. It will never stop. Mike, we have a one hundred Let me talk about one hundred flowers for a second. So after a cold and wet winter, especially tulip season at one hundred flowers dot com, and when it comes to surprising your friends and loved ones with the best blooms and the best colors, one

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Let's see. How about I'm gonna tell you so this man when I go to Keith Urban Songs because because I have a wall, and I mentioned the wall to people like these are like artists that i'd have direct like friendships and and I have a wall of house and there's six things on it and it's Keith and pass Lay and Jansen and Marin and Kelsey and a little big town girl crush because I've either had something to do with them or they've had something to do with me, and I loved and Keith as a friend. Yeah,

that's awesome. Break on Me is one of my favorite Keats songs. Ever, this song is so good. Come about writing this one, man. I think me and John we're supposed to write with Dirk's that day, I think Dirk's and he had to go somewhere. He bailed and John, you know when you get bailed on these days, it's kind of like, oh yeah, let's just take your day in hand with our kids and stuff. And so I begged John to come over. I was like, John, just come over and let's rite. Come on, that's right. So

he's like, all right, all right. He came over. I handed him this like nineteen sixty five stella guitar. I got on the pawn shop and he started playing those chords. Man, and I threw a little beat down and we just started just staring lovingly into each other's eyes like we did on Glass and Um. We wrote it like an hour. Um. It's such a vulnerable song. It's so and we you know, I don't hear it. We kind of wrote it for

our wives and our our little girls sets. This is probably my favorite song man, really, yeah, break when you hear when it comes back to you and I don't. And it's been different with everyone we talked to from when like Natalie Himy's in, or when Shane's in. When a song comes back to you from the artist and they've cut it first of all, when do you get it With Keith Hell, he likes, I think he like.

I think he snuck this one to me early. And I always know when Keith does a song, your mind is going to be blown because he's one of the best producers I've ever met. Literally, he's one of the best producers. And so he just knows how to take these tracks to like other worldly places. And I should play the demo that this sometime this, and John Cougar, I should play the demos of so vastly different from

how he interpreted the songs. That's what makes a great artist is taking a song that I think it's It's more impressive to me when an artist can take a song that they did not write and make it a Keith Urban masterpiece. That to me is the most impressive thing. You say that about John Cougar. And so when I think of the song, I think of the baseline that and I know Keith just ripping the base out I know, and even plays it, but he does not even know he played bass. I think he could probably play the

flute as a guitar if he wanted. He's not a different so yeah, yeah, obviously what's the deal? So talk about the song, like, what's the what's the difference in this song? This was just a really straightforward. It was not the bass riff, It was not as bouncy. It was more just like guitar with a little beat under kind of walking down. Um, the song is the same, but but him doing that but no, no, no, non't and then modulating up and then back down because he

heard on a Kendrick Lamar record. Did you know did you tell you that he heard Kendrick go up, modulate up and then come back down, which doesn't sound like you should work at all, because once you raise the energy, you shouldn't be able to work to come back down. And he did it somehow, and it blows my mind still. That was I can say this. There are a few artists where I'll listen to a song or that was

one of the few. That he texted me earlier was like yeah, yeah, like three weeks before it's like you gotta hear this song. And I was like, dang, dude, because it was just but the boom boom. I was like, dude, that's that's I mean? Rememberpplied back like, Wow, that's funky, it's funky. Your first listen You're right, My first listen to that one was in the studio with him and Dan and the mix was all kind of different. It was like it was a lot to take in. I

was like, whoa, what has happened? I don't even know what happened to me? How did you? Keith get to be a thing man? When I first came to Nashville within the first year two, Keith and Joe Fisher had a publishing company and they offered me my first publishing

deal to get me out of my UK deal. Um, and I think he just started hearing my songs early and started kind of he'd put them on hold, and then then he wanted to write, because Keith's always trying to write with the new the new guys, what's happening and so um he came over and we wrote with

Davidlye Murphy. We wrote even the Stars Fall for You, which was on Fuse, and then we produced a song or two together for that record, and then we just became good friends and now we have this publishing company together called boom Um. I'm just I love being in business with him. He's one of my favorite humans. Yeah, my favorite show. And I only watch one episode, only see one episode. I started last night and I watched it.

It's so good. The weird thing and this is the weird thing about Keith, and I say it a lot, is I just didn't think that was that he was real. Oh he's I know. I mean, I just I was just like, Okay, you're such a big star. Why that this kind? Why I still don't understand. And in the land of make believe, where we live and everyone's only kind so they can live another day and make another dollar, Like, why are you this kind when you don't have to be?

That's what I always thought about him, I know, and every you know, and I've been here four or five years now and it's it's only gotten better. I agree. He doesn't need anything for me, He doesn't anybody zero from me. He drives a Bugatti. Yeah, yeah, yes, he's he does. It's like a batmobile. And he doesn't anything for me. And he's always the case. He's one of the best humans man. And then I'll see him going fallon or go do something at the International what means.

Then he'll text me and be like, hey, dude, you good And I'm like, wait, what aren't you in the audience? Shouldn't you be doing? And Nicole is so nice. Oh my gosh, she's the best. I haven't seen all big little lies yet, but I hear she's pretty nuhing that don't run it don't run, But I hear it's a fantast actually does a fantastic our favorite show we've ever seen. Man, I've heard that from so many days. The acting is

just beyond this. Because these things live a long time, this podcasts, someone's gonna hear this in like six months from now, and or I'll hear it back and be like, man if I only knew then, because that's only one season, right, and that's it. Because it was a book. It's a book, so I think it might be tied somehow. I don't want you to run anything wrong. I don't want you to I want to roll down a couple of a couple of songs because I got so much to talk about.

How about we don't Billy Carrington, there is another one of my favorite people in the world, Billy. I do it a little bit now you need to spend some time with him. He is he That's the thing. Billy intrigues me too, And I don't feel like we would because I'm such an introvert who doesn't do things like rock climb or get on the ocean or go to a whole lot. That's just not me and my personality. So I don't think that Billy and I would hang out as humans. But he comes in and we enjoy

each other because we're so different. Last time he was in like show ended or whatever, and we were talking and he was like, hey, listen, I'm going for like this is him. I'm going to my place in his wife like a month and he was like this, this is where I live, here's the address, here's my number. I'm gonna be there for a month. Called me come out. He's like, come out there for a few days. And I'm like, Billy, I'm not like, I appreciate it, but I would never do that ross that's just not I'm

not cool. I'm I'm never going to be cool. I'm never gonna go rock climbate Billy and kids like Kevin and I went to like breakfast somewhere at one of these places one of these cool guy places, right and yeah, like in East Nahville right, not why I trust me, that's a restaurant. I want to know. I don't know.

But Kemp was like, meet me here, and so I was like cool, and so Kevin I going, we're eating and Kevin and I had kind of got into a little fight because I was making fun of them for people youngly people using phones at a show and so and so we were just like, hey, let's just go talk it out and have and eat and figure it out. We're both humans, we're both we're both sensitive humans that we probably need to talk it out so we can just get back and be cool again. So it's like,

meet me here, I met him. It's great now, we're great by the way now, and so if you as if it wasn't, I wouldn't have brought it up. But listen, I thought with some of my best friends now, like I could have a big mouth. I just tend to say whatever comes out of my head and you record it all the time, and it's it's just live and there's no difference. If you were just on the air, Yeah,

you're just every radio show. Not I would get out that's to make your show so great because you're just real So it's real life, but you're just on the Yeah, what kept like hey, but it kept like let's go rock climbing. I'm like, dude, I'm not going rock climbing, Like I'm not you guys like I'm not cool. And then as the pictures of him and Billy like ripped up climbing bandanas on, like so cool and like that'll never be me. But I do like Billy a lot

from the limited time that I've spent with him. He seems like a pretty nice, sharp guy. Man. He's got his own coconut oil company, is own coconut water company. Do you know that? Like it's legit, Like we have his coconut oil in our house, So he's making money that we don't even know he is. He's a little bit of a mogul on the side, Like nobody really

knows well as are you. Like people people may you know if you google Ross Copper or whatever and you net worth a hundred million dollars, you don't know that. You don't know that. You know you're also producing records, Yeah, you know, they don't know that you have a publishing company. You know, there are things that you're also doing, so don't play on this whole somebody else is a mogul. They're trying to get this Mike. They're trying to get

to the Oh yeah, Billy's the mogul. One of those tips. He comes in before we even started. Ross like, man, you're doing comedy. You to music, and Ross got like nine projects over here at like act like you're just writing song. I just wrote a song today. Yeah, it's a good day. How about this one right here? It's the Jake song. This is the number one right away. Yeah, the same same team of writers that wrote Billy song little bet on the last it's don't daddy getting that

because you came home. Whenever you write something the drab way light radio j let's say a number one here, Like we have all these that we've played. Is there a difference? They say, three people are I didn't ask such good questions, by the way, I mean, I'm just saying I love songs so good, You're so good at this. Stop Ross. Now, I'm just saying you are, You're really good at this? You keep Yeah. I want the people listen this text will learn and appreciate the art of

songwriting and how it works. And now, but if three people write a song and let's say it's you and Jim and John just his names, and you write America coutry love song and it takes thirteen weeks to get number one, and you and Jim and John right smoke and it takes twenty weeks to get number one? Is there a difference in pay? Smoke makes way way more? So you want a song as a songwriter to go

slow but still get number one? Yes, everybody, it's always it's a tricky balance because you because if they go too slow, they might die out in the teens or something. But so like this Darius record song right now if I told you which by the way forever and it's just now starting never. I know. I remember Darius and I were on a bus last summer in Indy and we're about the world premiere and were dres last summer. Yeah,

that's crazy. Dress my first ever interview when I was seventeen years old as Hootie come on, and so there's like the guy who my whole career when you're seventeen, Yeah, I started in the radio and so it has been crazy because who he was so so big, and I was so nervous. I would have been Yeah, I was a huge Hooty back then. I mean we all were right. Everybody loved Yeah, all white people love tutt if you were I mean that was like the sub You're like, yeah,

I love Hootie. So we all listened to Hooty and I was a huge and I knew all the cracked review and like every word of every every track, and I was so nervous interview Darius. He grabbed the microphone and helped me, like interview him when I was seventeen years old, and so ever since then, like we've worked, We were popped together, we came across with Your Country together,

we presented the A c M S together. I mean we're and so I remember being on a bus with him and Dan and Shay were his who friends with two They were his middle act, and so was Darrison. I was sitting on his bus, which is all South Carolina game cocked own. He's got like brick wall inside his bus and saying with money, he's got other projects and pizza huts going, and yeah there's this guy the problem. Yeah.

So he's like, you know, I've got this if I told you, and I was like, your song is really good, and then I just don't hear about it for like two months, I know, and look now and here it comes just shooting up the chart. Isn't that crazy? So? Are you gonna make a ton of money off this song? So this probably will make a lot more than say like Drunk the Drunk of Your Love or something like that. Like it will, because it's just what are we talking? How many songs in there? Did you put those in there?

I didn't add seagulls. I've never heard I produced that. I guess you didn't know I put seagulls. Do we have a read there? A hold on, I'm you're in the seagulls? Man? What's those are seagulls? What's what are seagulls? What's up? Mike? Is that from like they playing it at the beach? Or is that you didn't put seagulls in it? No? I don't think so. Those are definitely seagulls I didn't add or I didn't add the mongoose and strip it down? Okay? How many number ones does

it take to make a million dollars? Oh my gosh, Bobby, Oh my gosh, four, three, three number ones to make a million dollars as three right as a right? Don't say six, man, I might disagree with that. You do, yeah, because all my millions have been made, Like I would know. I want to disagree with that. I have no idea what I think it's and it just decreases. Man. But I do feel like ities because i'd say five or six.

Because on Nashville, whenever Gunner gets his check, how many times people compelle like so much my man, my own parents. That's hilarious. Gone, but just first checking, it's like I gotta ride check in his four dollars. I'm like, well, that's not really how it works. Did you know that? I was kind of in the beginning of the Nashville Show with Cali t Bone. The initial meetings that show where in my house and my house in Bellevue, is that we're like consulting on how to no mater, how

we're gonna get these vocals. And I kind of showed Connie Britain how to single on headphones. She had never sung a microphone or headphones, so she like came over my house and I practiced. Yeah, I did the first few. I did the first season. Really a lot of the songs in the first season of that. Did you make money off of that? Or is that kind of yeah?

That was that was good like production money. It seems that okay, production money, but not really like single like song money songs, because I would think there would be like too many, and you're not. They're not being featured really except on an episode they're not. There was no money for songwriters on that show, which which always bothered because there probably were a ton of good songs there were, or did they just go and pick a bunch of

metal of the medio for songs. What happened is everyone in Nashville found out that there was no money in the songs, so nobody was giving them their A list songs. That is what happened, because it would have to be one of the two the show, doesn't it show either a bunch of the songs get wasted or you just don't give them good songs. Nobody gave them good songs.

The worst. No one's sending him break on me. Nobody's sending them Merry go round, which and if they do go away and we'll never hear because there's three an episode and it's twenty seconds at a time. But I think they could have capitalized more on a great song being featured over and over running it up on iTunes. Oh that's or if they had a song and again this is us talking here, or if they had a

song that it stayed with the character the whole time. Yes, and they continued through like a six episode arc of them using that song. A great song, they could have made that, because I know even with Hayden at the beginning, they tried that, didn't try that. I think I did that song? Maybe? How do you think you did? How do you not? Because you just have so many I remember there was a song that Hayden that recurred for her a lot, and it actually got played on the

radio a bit. I want to Oh I didn't do that one. I didn't do that one. Yeah, the one that was a single. I remember that, But I might have done the one for the show of that song. They could have done that with a couple of songs they should have. Yeah, um, you know they have her here is yeah, that's I don't think this is it, but whatever, let's see what else do we have here? YEA, let's talking about Blue apron An. I always loved the Blue Apron helps keep this bobbycast going because I really

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They're the best dudes. They are like when you talk about good humans, good humans, man, I mean hard workers. They they were grinding it forever, like you want to talk about a story of how much do you want it? Oh gosh, there's one of these word Preston came here and set and we talked forever and he cried and he told the story about I mean, they just stayed in it and swung and swung. And this was their first number one because I love the Slave got the

number two. I know, which I think of that as a number one song because you hear it all the time, and you know what that song will be no offense. I think that song probably lasts longer than this one. Even though this was the number one. I know you wrote it and I got said this to your face, but I think that started them off as like all and it's such a big positive message. I love this life. Man who doesn't want to hear that every day? There?

You know what I mean? I mean, And that's why, And that's why I started playing it like I was the first one to play, because it comes like our shows about positivity. Let me play the song, and you know that's kind of where it took off. But yeah, not to take listen, you may plenty money off the song. And I really like it too. I love I love

this song. I love his guys. But for them, I remember talking and they were like, you know what, we don't have a lot of outside cuts, but they felt like this song was so right up their will house. They're great writers too, so they took an outside song, which is always so great. Chesney is the king of that. I've sat with Chesney, as he's told other artists. You make all you make more in one night of merch than you do writing your whole record. Don't worry about

writing your record. That's crazy. You make, you know, the merch thing like you just dropped a bomb. On me that I never even thought about is because you know what I think is they and I have a girlfriend as an artist, and so she writes and she takes outside song. She has both. You know, it's important to artists to write so they feel so they're artistic. Cup is full. But then she she put uh six songs right,

and so she wrote three of them. She did a John Mayor cover because she didn't she didn't cut the John Mayr for her record. But in order to make this last little set of songs Lindsay did. She was like her and Christian Bush, who produced a record. He said, hey, go and remake your favorite album all by yourself with all the instruments, and so she did. So she did all of continuum, made all the instruments, the whole thing, the whole did he I'll do fantastic and it's not

out and it's it's fantastic. Did continue not a small record to mess around with doing the whole do? I has an intense record to recreate over here. So she makes the whole record amazing, What a smart idea. And it was never supped to put out like it was

just for her to kind of find herself. She put stop this trying only on this EP, and so she wrote three other songs, and so she took a song from Ryan Hurd, who's a good friend of mine, and a song from Caitlin Smith, who are close and it didn't have any relation to her, but she was like, these songs are so good. I just have to take outside songs too. And for me, I was always like, okay, take out the songs to people will buy tickets to your shows, but the merch thing is crazy because if

they're coming, they're also buying your merch. I'm such a believer in the outside song man. Here I'm gonna play I would if I were you too, because you're writing them. Yes I would. I would hope that you were a believer the outside songs for us if you were. I just want more of it. I want more writers to just write the best song in the room and just you know, I want to play you this is that this is not out anywhere, and she'll kill me for

having this out, but she didn't. Just she did everything on this by herself, from the keys, all of it. It's my favorite of my favorite records ever. Me too, she's playing all she's doing everything that you hear ship, She said, around with it all every so crabby. This word kid, gainst me. It's just recording on a laptop. Good gray, what's a friendly day? So she makes a loud I have this all time. That's so magic, And we're gonna go watch John may together because we're like

nerds for John, he's so so much. I'm the biggest story for him. I'll tell your John Mayor story. I'll match yours. Go ahead. I was a kid John and I was like eight. My was like twenty. I was in college. I went to see him in at Ronto College. I was obsessed. Man. I was like he had hung the Moon. And we followed him after the show to like this little restaurant and I was like, saw him over there and I went up to his booth. I was like, John, I'm such a big fan. I just

want to say, Hi, did you induce myself? And He's like, just suck my dick. That sounds like something. He was like, dude, like straight up life, so scared, like not like and you're gonna have to like do it. And I bet you were stunned, like is he being serious or not? I was twenty years old. I know, I had no idea. I wasn't in the music business. Really, He's like, I'm

just joking. Man comes to there, come out dinner with us, and I was like, oh, I've had because i've probably And again, I don't think in real life, John and I would be like buddies. Do you know do you know him? We've hung out probably eight or nine times. You have, yeah, yeah, yeah, but not like he's such an artist and from someone I'm nuts myself and I'm all over the I'm all over the platform as far as I'm moody and I'm crazy and I'm O C D.

And I'm to be different. You've gotten to be really different. You're not just different part of your life. So the most creative people, the people that change the world, that are the most creative, aren't just creative in their little space that's changing your world. They're really nuts all over the place. And it takes that kind of person. And he's nuts and and I'm nuts, And sometimes I would be in the worst moods that i'd be in the

greatest mood and I just got tired of guessing. So I was like, and I never want to meet my heroes and musically, he's my favorite, just my favorite. I remember him once we were maybe Houston, and I don't I mean, it's been so long with cares. Some girl off and we were back in the back and some girl come up. It's like, hey, I'm a huge fan. And he was like, hey, can I see your bathole?

The same kind of thing that is so funny, And she was like, what was like, I need to see He was like, I need to see your butt hole? How do we have the same exact story? And I don't. And before she actually showed it or didn't because he she was just like like, I don't know what to do. He was like, let's take a picture, and he take a picture and sent around. But he was like, so that's his stick, that's like it was like I need to see your buttle Oh my gosh, dude, Yeah, that's

his thing. That's his thing. And I've had some really good experience, that's some really bad experiences. And yeah, not not not where he's mean to me. He's just sometimes he does not he doesn't have a mood where even though he's in a bad mood, it's okay. Yeah, And that's okay because I was at his time in his space, and I have I have no problem with super creative people. I have no problem with super weird people being weird

because that's what they are. You can't expect someone to have these wild new thoughts and be so different than everyone else, so she'll be the same Luke Kanye Man, Yeah, nuts, genius, genius the test, Like, guy, I bet you think, and you probably eats poop and it's probably like like I don't And again I'm just saying that, but it probably doesn't so weird this plate. But you have to be cannibal for all we know. You have to be that

weird to change the world. Believe that. Yeah, and if you're that weird, those are the people that make the differences and change the world. Like, I don't know that no one's reading that book called The Originals. Is that it's all about this but eating eating poop? And yeah, it's it's it's like you should read I was talking about. I haven't read it. It's it's just how about to be original and how the originality changes and move the needles.

Don't you think that like super original people like have no choice but to be original? Yeah, I agree, It's like you can read all the books you want. He had no choice to be the David Bowie. Yeah, you're right. It's harder to not be you. Yeah, it is to conform if you're just so different. Like I've tried to not be me. I've tried to be like just the dude who's just always a nice guy, and it's just always pot and then it's like that's just not me.

I am. And I try to find the positive and things a lot, and I went to a lot of therapy and I try to, but I'm still me and I'm nuts and I know it, and I'm in My relationships suffer because of it. And I just find my strengths and I try to stay to them and I try to work on my weaknesses. But I know I'm never gonna be good at certain things, and I know I'm always gonna be I'm always gonna work really hard. But I'm nuts. I don't need poop nuts, but nuts.

But you're nuts too. Really good interviews. Mm hmm, we'll see because I want to play here because Ross had a deal. You were an artist in the UK, but you're not from Virginia, which is weird. How did you end up as a UK recording artist, and I started going to New York in college, playing The Bitter End every month, kind of going back and forth and just playing songwriter nights there, and started meeting guys at labels.

It would come after the Bitter End. I was that was idolized that place because it's like we're Dylan started and uh, I meant a few guys who worked had a little label called Phonogenic Records, and they had signed a Tasha Beddingfield. I love by the way, I love the time, and I don't know your relationship too, but as a person and as an artist, she's amazing. She

was her brother Daniel a little nuttie. I don't know him, a little bit, a little nutty, but Natasha was really have another brother who's even more nutty, a younger brother. I assume they're all nuts but still like genetically have to be again same thing. But you can be nutty and be awesome. She was always fantastic to me, was and I always wonder where is she now? I was thinking about that she and Pop. You can kind of go away, you do, they just they discard you, they

do don't you, and you can't come back. It's so hard. You can come back country. It's cool to come back, it's cool to cock it's pete. People want to see Stapletons the ultimate come back in a way, I he's always here doing it. Stapletons those different because people didn't know him. Yeah, maybe for us he's a comeback. Yeah, outside of the book because Stepan right stuff everybody for

a long time. And if you knew the steel drivers, if you knew that kind of that's what I'm yeah, yeah, but people love just generally in America, our society, we love to see someone rise from the ashes that we love to knock them down because we think they're getting too big, and then we loved him rise back up again. Yeah, that's what for some reason, why this that weird thing

of we want to see the underdog win. But if the underdog cards get full of themselves, which even if they're not, we assume they are, we want to see them fall and get busted with a nine prostitutes. Kanye and the back of Ice kind of turned on Kanye. We kind of kind brought it on himself. But so you you're playing at this, you're playing the bitter end. Yeah, so these guys offered me to do that had Phono

Jack Records. My lawyer was the Script's lawyer at the time and he had both of us and me and the Script basically got the same exact record deal at the same time. The band the Script, they're from a Scott Yeah. I did a couple of shows with them, did they were Yeah, they're really good. Yeah, they're really good. So we both moved over to London about the same time and started working on our records. And I don't thought about them forever. They're another one. Where are they?

And I wonder if they're still if they're still big overseas, because thinks they are kind of still big. They could probably come back to Ireland and be awesome, but crush it, like, don't do it? Oh you're playing Script. I was gonna play a little bit of Script. QUI probably gonna play you like which song? Let's see you? The best one was break break Even? Right, Yes, this was the jam. This was the jam of the century. Ye break even? When it is too soon to cut this never never,

there's there there are no rules. I love This would be a great song and people wouldn't even know it, you think, I don't think they would I'm getting I'm gonna do this. Brandon right by the way, is my favorite human and artist. He was to the first people I I brought it here. I was still up, but I'm barely breathing, the just pringing to a guy that I don't believe it all these lines because I got

time while she got freed up. I thought about the scripture forever because when a hot breaks going, don't break even the best days some of movel and you brought it back and then it's like, oh, it's so good. You and these guys go to England together. Yes, So I was like in the back of the studio with

them while they were making this record. Yeah, and they're like they were coming to my shows and like ross because my record came out before them crazy and they went on to be hugely successful for a couple of songs we go, So yeah, really they were they let's think about my life path, man, Like I had two songs? Is it kind of did okay? But then it it kind of dissipated. What was your biggest song as a solo artist, because I don't have much of your solo

wrote okay, nobody somebody's side. You had a sound. I loved Oasis man, I wanted to be that. It's like the it's like the Southern American oasis always it's like skinner of no Oasis meat Wow. So how that song I'm do in the UK? That was like we got to like twelve or something on the UK chart. Were you ever famous over there as an artist? Like for a minute? Really maybe a second of a like there was a lot of posters of me around London and the UK and like for like a hot second. Um,

that's cool. My second song didn't do as well? What was that one? It's called found You. I will say the artist dream never does truly die as much as I suppress it. And like I'm happy doing writing and producing. I always do secretly want to do like a Guerrillas type band with a cartoons where no one knows it's you, when no one knows behind the stage. If you want to let me know, I do always dream of it, like you know that on a tour bus. I've always want to do the tour bus thing. Dude, Oh I don't.

I've never gotten if you're a German folk because we go out and when we do the regging idiots, we tour wait too hard. I know, people don't. I mean we're because you're sha. You're on a bus with all the hundred people recycled ERGEs. It's just the air, and there's one little bathroom and there's and your little bunks and you're living at a it's to be in a band and travel on a bus is gross. I would imagine it's like being a fourth grade teacher. It's like

that kind of gross. And as soon as you move in, like all the germs just infest the wall and you have to because and we will go and you get a bus and we could fit twelve on a bus, right and we would get the bus and it will be you know me and then obviously Eddie, and then

we will just go fill our group. Like for example, we're doing like five shows and Brandon Ray is coming out and doing these shows with us, because I'm like, Brandon, you've gotta compline, Like we're doing Stagecoach, come play with us, you Root nine, come play with us. We're doing Faster Horses. Like the weird thing is that you're the reason he's playing all those crazy shows, because I was like, how is Brandon playing crazy shows? Like next level shows. That's

how it's amazing. He's I had to get Brandon because here's the thing about Brandon Ray. If you're listening right now, just remember that year band is going to be a monster. I agree. And when he's a monster, it's gonna be like I remember when Brandon Rey was playing in The Raging Idiots. That's amazing and it's sathing with Kelsey. He has that thing. Cousin Balleri played in the Riging Idiots. She did didn't shoot. We were her first I forget that. We were her first ever tour ever. Gosh in life,

soots is the new vehicle. So and there should maybe be like a fee to the feet down the road, like a twenty years down the road. There's a fee we should pay them. We do pay that, you know what, I do pay them to be honest, that's the fee. But wow, But Brenda Ray is awesome and you're awesome because man, you sound that who knew? How about this? As? This is my favorite one. This was the it was the free download in the UK. It was like the first time they'd done the free iTunes download. It was

the highest downloaded song in the UK history. You were the free downloads this one was like, there's a and what's the story Morning Glory? There's part of that record that's that's real, a lot of a lot of instrumentation. Yeah, that's I hear when you say A waysis is my dream? Did you ever watch the Oasis documents? Watch so bad and hearing about it, it's so they're so nuts. Nuts.

You're talking about creative people doing creative things, and part of being creative is that you're not like other people, So you're nuts. Have you seen the Backsttery Bores documentary. Yeah? I watched that. You know what was funny to me about that is the fact that Brian couldn't sing. And I don't know if that was real or if it was really contract because I listen as someone who also it makes TV shows. My guest would because I don't know, it's a thing, it's a mental block. I've worked with

them my studio here on a song. Okay, now you're gonna be able to shed more light on this. Let me tell you what I think they tell me. I'm wrong. I think it's probably a thing. But for sake of the documentary, you take things that are six and you make them a nine. It's a real it's a real thing. It's a it's an actual medical thing. Um. I forget the name of it, but it's a mental medical it's actually medical. So it's something happening with his body and

his throat or something about his throat. Um. I can't remember. Kevin described it to me, but we broke him of it in the studio. Oh you did, so he's from that anymore. Brian sing this like Black Street like, and he was like, oh black Street like, no diggity, And immediately he was like and he just nailed it and he came out of his shell. You ever seen Major League two where Rue can't throw the ball back to the picture and until he starts residing the playboy. That's

what it reminds me of. Sing Black Street and he's like, oh, you know, hey, hey, hey, it comes, but he's like right back, but it's like, hey, sing you know the call exactly. Craig Wiseman was talking about this today about mental block, like Tiger Woods has everything it takes to be the number one golfer in the world every year, but it's his mental Sergio had the issue until yesterday.

Like Sergio lost so many he had all the talents all mental for all of us in every field right your field, my field, Yeah, it's it's it's all fields, it's all fields. Yeah, you've got to be in the game mentally, like in that little silver lining zone of just magicness. And there are times where I break down. I think, so he's you, So he's back. So would you be willing to say that back treat's back? All right? All right, yeah definitely. So the a CM moment was

my favorite performance of the night. I was on my chair, like you worked with that. I didn't know this part. I don't know because I felt like I've I've learned everything. I know that this song is not out yet. Okay, So what you worked with them on on your song? So me and wrote a song. Me and Josh Heire wrote a song with Ustin Lynch that Dustin didn't cut and Backstreets somehow heard it and loved it and came to town and cut it with me and Josh. Really, yeah,

it was crazy. Isn't it weird that Kevin is like Kevin? To me? It's weird one that they're still called the Boys, but that's just their name, it's her name. We're thinking if they did country. They could be the back back road boys. That was actually Keith Urban. I shouldn't take credit for that. They just have to be the backstreet boys, just like boys, but men to men to what could they change it to? They can't. They just can't. It's weird.

They're so Southern though, because Kentucky like they are. I never kenk they're so souther. I had no idea, My here's this, here's a story for you. So I did it a girl whenever I was twenty years older. So, and right before we dated, she was Nick car She did a Nick Carter for like a year and a half, so I was like Nick four and then before Yeah she took that down. Yeah, she definitely, And there was there were It's a tough, a tough act to follow on, so you just worked with it. Did you do any

of this stuff with them before? To George Line, No, that was Joey. Yeah. So how did you end up getting with the back sh boy? Straight up? It was the song. Their manager reached out and they're like the boys would like to come to Nashville and work with you, And I was like your life look at you? See? It was crazy? Why do people like you? Someone I don't know, like I mean, like I like you, but like, how do people hear about this? How I'm gonna play

you something here? Let's see, let's what how about? Oh I gotta ask you about this because Shane mcin I we're talking about this and no not at all, but we're talking about how so many songs you can just take four chords and make them sound like every song. And you guys had the answers. We had to put in ARLs Bark late on the song on the bred elderd song. Yeah, so just getting out ahead of the lawsuit things right now, let me let me put you here. Hold on, this is that beat of the music, which

is a great song. I remember Brett coming in and being like, man, Brett wrote this when you guys right, and brettan like man, I was like half sleep and I get like this thing that we got in and wrote we wrote it. Okay, that's that one. Lose my Mind is drunk in your which one is it has the yeah, lose my Mind? Okay, but you did all these songs. Yeah, okay, it's just one. Okay, hold on, crazy,

it's they're not that they're the same. But like Ross I'd like to call people out and be like, for sure you're saying we gave up a piece of that song, and you would I think you would have lost anyway. But I don't, I just if I if I'm on the Jerry, I don't. It's I thought, if anything, here's Brett Elder should have changed me here It's one word. There have been so many Britney spears went crazy and

her song too. It's just happened too many times for that just and they would have never heard the song. I don't know. They have a wonderful way of finding money. People have a wonderful way of finding money, all right, especially the States of like Sam Cook and stuff like the Marvin Gay estates. I definitely and we should have

just changed it. You make me crazy. You know why you didn't because that's so I didn't want to change it, but didn't want to change it because it was it was like your mind went to like a hit song. That's why we wanted to keep it. But I don't even think, like, oh, you're even talking me into it now. But I don't even think that it's they had a post rum music row, Bobby like for the writers of that song like they had a poster like congrats to danger Mass first number one song. What had post You're

not You're serious? Yeah? Wow, so you had to have funny you had to see on Dangerous to that song? Just those two. Still can't get him on the phone. I'm trying to get a co write. I can't get him on the phone. I'm gonna play it again because Thomas did it on song too, Sam Cooke's Family or some things. Thomas Rhet did it on vacation with uh glow Rider. That's the second one Thomas Rhet did then because they did it on his first song, because that Sam cooked daughter was at the bm My Awards and

accepted to being my award. See, I didn't know that for a different one, his first Crash and Burn. Oh gang, you know what? And I stay Upson wrote that too, and dress I was like, hey did you I don't talk about it and no, no, it wasn't that. I said, hey, did you actually use Sam Cooks? Because I want to play some of it. It's funny you bring this up because I say did you actually use? Because it's that's the sound, doesn't mean hey, working on the chain, don't

you know? Right? That's like the original, and so crashing Burn was again, it's not enough. I feel like to have done it, but they would. I actually thought they used part of the song as a sample, see exactly, and it wasn't. And because she was like no, I was like, oh my, it's the point. It's almost impossible now to really do something that sounds like nothing else it is. I don't think you would have lost that lawsuit. I don't think you would have lost the lawsuit because

it's one freaking word. It's not, it's not, it's not what's the song? The more the more uh blurred lines, and that ruined it for all of us. That ruined it for all of us. Though, that makes you'll have to watch are you're gonna go seven million dollars? Like they did? Like it's like if you don't get ahead of it, they did, didn't They um did Thomas song that I thought would get him in trouble, which didn't was was the slow one and it's not like ed Sharon,

I mean, yeah, I was. I even asked him. I was like, hey, have you have you heard anything about that? Thinking yeah, thinking out laughing at Sharon and Thomas. Retz was happy and I was like, uh, those are very similar. And by the way, preface I love Thomas. Yeah, great dude, But I asked him about that, goes, No, they haven't. They haven't never reached out at all and probably doesn't care. And Ed got sued the same song by somebody else. I'm trying somebody from American are uk idle? Yeah, I

remember that. My point isn't that everybody's stealing song. My point is it's hard now to come up with original state. Yeah, it's always psyched. There are just so many sounds you can make. There's not that many notes. And yeah, the only person making new notes is Keith Urban. So if you don't get with Keith Urban, you're not getting into That's a great question, though, who is there? You said, it's hard to make this piece of music that sounds like nothing else. That's like what I try and do

every day in my life. I try to at least like, is there anything right now that you're that excited about? It's also and before I answer that, I mean, you say this in comedy, because I'll do stand up comedy has got to be similar, right, how many jokes very similar jokes? Every concept has been talked about a hundred times interesting, and we're like minded people. Most of us, if I'm going on stage with so many experiences, were like minded. We're probably sad internally, and that's why we're

on stage looking for love. And I'm like kidding here, I'm being serious, Like we don't get on stage and try to get the love of other people that you don't know because you just feel like it that there's a lot of similarities, interesting darkness inside of comedians. Interesting. It's like the sad person wants to make everybody laugh and there you're searching for love somewhere. And so you've

lived similar paths. The good looking rich kids, never the famous comedians, they're just not because it comes from somewhere else. So similar experiences, similar mind frames, the topics of the world are similar. You're gonna get a thousand jokes that

are somewhat the same. And so it's tough. What I do is I try to make all I try to do as much about me in my personal and even then your stories probably a hundred jokes like it to the things that have happened to Yes, that's how are there is there enough material of of real things that have happened to you. I mean, I wrote a book in the book you know, and it and it did well. It was the best selling and it was fine. And

there's enough material that for like one act. But then again, you know, as we're about to cut the special, I'm starting to work on the second act. And it takes a year or two yourself, Yeah, I mean, it's all you got and tested and suck, you don't. Big comedians have, right, A team's like Chris Rock will write something, or I'll have somebody say hey and they'll work on stuff to this, or he'll go out and practice it and they'd be like, hey,

what if you do this? And you'll try it. But the thing that like comedians do is they can go out like Ris Rock did it in Nashville Zanies. He did four shows in like two nights and just work material because it's not the differences No Mike needed though, and he walked out with notes and he's going through notes. Wow, that's so cool. The differences For me, if I take out my guitar and I'm not a musician, I play guitar and I sing and not you don't do either

very well. But I can practice and get muscle memory and playing a song and practice singing, and I can sit in my room or I can go someone practice it. You can't practice on jokes to a wall. You have to go out and actually and see if it works. And the funniest things I've ever written bomb hard and I'm like, oh, this is gonna kill and I'm like, I didn't work, and the stuff that you don't think. Sometimes you're like, I'm just gonna throw it out there

and see what happens. It's like, that works, let me try it again and just switch it up a little bit interesting. But same thing with comedy is music. Is what I'm saying is that art it's just art period. I love that and that you tweak it and it's art. It's been done a million times a million different ways. Like good luck trying to find something completely. But when you can, and occasionally somebody dies, you're like, huh, that's crazy. Who do you like? Okay, I'll ask you who do

you because you ask me that right now. Somebody You're like, they're changing the game a bit. Who is it you want? Like, yeah, I don't care it is. I think it's fine for people have a ton of different types of influences and music. Nobody has a playlist. I think this Julian Michael stuff is gonna be so special because Julian Michaels, because she sings melodies that you know here you know and these just this Julian Michaels, you still I had this up

already or did you know? You know I had this already, this one I was gonna play for what this song here? I didn't know you were gonna say that. You look at my list here it says Julian Michael. That's what I've been listening to lately, Julia Michaels, Eric Clapton, Layla from Unplugged, the New Michelle Branch Weezer, Like, I'm not lying, this is a lot. We were my fair bands. Ever, by the way, like that was where I was raised.

On where my glass we are in Buddy Holly's when glasses, I mean we are like build my foundation me too. Judge me because if you did this the song that you were gonna say you for that question, this is one of the artists I was gonna pull up. That's like, yeah, I feel that. I feel like me and Shane wrote

with her a few times. No, I know she came when she she she would come to Nashville for writing trips, and me and Shane would always would write these great songs with her, actually play some if I could find him, um, and we'd be like, Julia, why are you not an artist like right now? And She's like, wow, I don't really want to be an artist right now, just like

just like Marin, she just wanted to write. And then she started writing those Selina songs and those Biber songs and like she just got into that like silver zone of hit thing and then realized I guess that. Yeah, I don't know, I had no idea you even knew her, Yeah, I kind of. You know, we wrote with a few times, so that's knowing her. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. But I really do. I keep hearing the song on the radio.

Every time I hear on the radio, I'm like, that is just so fresh, like it's the heart on the verge pop song, and Secrets was like, hey check this out, and and I was like, whoa, it's so fresh, Like it's yeah, all issues and like giving them to each other so like just an ability, but sonically one of them is all about a natscha. Yeah, that's crazy. One of them is as I felt like we could talk

for four hours. Ross probably made that on a laptop. Sorry, yeah, I'm saying that they probably made that whole track, like on a laptop. Have you been riding any of the Taylor Swift country stuff? No? This is news to me. Okay, it news to me too. I was just looking at you reaction to see if we did breaks. Are you joking? Yeah? Yeah, she's recording in town right now. She's working on She but but nobody, but nobody knows what's going on. What do you mean I want to go. I'm gonna go

stand out of the studio what no one knows? Like and people are arguing do pop? Everything's unlocked. It's gonna be the max. You think about her too, as like she and why Natshville. I'm calling Nathan Chapman right now. You should you know, Nathan, and here you tell me I'll never come on lug box. But here's the thing that the only thing I would say about her and this project is people like, well, if she does countries, she won't make as much money. Here's the thing about Taylor.

If she does a country album, it's gonna go immediately pop as well. It's gonna hit two formats at the same time. I know it'd be a good move, wouldn't it. I think it'd be a brilliant brilliant of course she would, because she'd be back at pop, but not meaning to why is she so smart? It would be And I

don't know that she's doing this. This is just my theory, like country right now, because it would go pop as well, and it would put her back into and then she could do the pop record and the love of Oh my god, why are they so smart? How are they so smart? I don't know that yet. Rot I mean, I don't. I don't know that that's the case. But you find out let me know. And I was just testa if you do anything I want. You didn't react

to love that, well, well, I appreciate you coming by. Hey, this was literally the best thing of you've ever done in my life. It's so serious. This really was. I'm not joking. You're so good at this. So you're you're so good at asking these questions and I don't think I'm good at it. I'm just really interested in it. You're You're genuine, You're genuine, and that's what makes you so good at your job? Well, I appreciate all the

compliments you are equally if not more. That was awesome, and I yeah, I'm just um, this was a fun talk. I'm really interested in this. And again I would tell you the truth. I just don't think you would have lost a crazy case getting out ahead of it. I do get because it would start to freak me out too, because you also just don't want to be in a lawsuit, like really, you just don't want to have that hanging over your head either for freaking eighteen months. I would

move away and like have to quit. It's just like I'm getting sued, and so everything else you're doing is is quite so. Just you know, I feel like a fraud. The more success you have, the more you feel like a fraud, at least I do. The more fraudulently you feel, Oh me, for sure. There's a line in a movie I remember, I'll Be Black. That was Terminator. And it's a whole different thing, but a terminator, know I was.

That was just a line in the movie. Ross Cobran wrote all the songs and has all the money and all the friends and all anybody cool that you're working with right now. Brandon Ray, He's honestly my new favorite. Um doing the new Brett Eldridge record. It's gonna be cool. Um, Dustin Lynch, my two little Billy Currington, the background boys, everybody.

If I were to say, and I'm not this is not me, I would never I would never do it because I never I've never done this in my life, because I have the people that I write songs with, like I write the Christian Bush a bit. I write with Um, Phil, Phil Barton, Eric Pass like like these are the people that I know, because I don't feel comfortable on people generally in the country. Song. Do you want to write? No, no, no no, because I'm not serious. I'm wanna write for raging idiots and I just I

want to write. I write funny songs. Brandon Ray and I write together, and Brandon's funny. He's a good writer and he's funny. So you're writing a comedy record, Well, look at you, a plaque right way to er. Yeah, so you know what your next? Raging idiots. I'm just and stuff right regardless, I'm trying stuff. I would love driving. No no, no, no, no no, I want to write funny songs. Do you know what's funny is that people will come and say, I just need to change. Can

I please write? Try to write a funny song. That's how I am. And you know who I write with a lot. And I don't know if your friends with them or not, but who I write with a lot is Lee Thomas Lee Miller. You my best friend. He is like, he's one of my favorite humans in this more in this world. The only maybe the only house I've ever been to on a weeknight in the past five years and had dinner. You go ahead with the family? Yes, you do? Like he is that? Like where that I

didn't know? That's that's my because who talks about it? Like what do you go around and brag about who your friends are? No, you don't walk around and go he you know who my really good friend is. But my point is like he's like the does he have a charging stage? No he doesn't. He doesn't, but he doesn't live you know down in Like yeah, a little too far. It is a little too far. But him and I all right, because he's fine. I did a write around. You gonna come hang with our kids one night?

I here's let me let me tell you how timidated this west for me? Okay, So I write stupid songs, right, and they're stupid songs and whatever. And I know I wrote walk Raids a little bit too. Yeah, he's an interesting writer, very and he's very wordy and very already artist creative. So I have my friends. I felt comble not being stupid in front of I guess it is my answer because it was my thing. But if if someone were to, if I would call and go, hey, Ross, go write a song like could you fit me in?

How long will take you to fit me in? Dude? For you? And do it that week? Whatever you want. Okay, that's not the I was like, like September. Maybe that's what I was hoping. I could keep it real because to be like, Billy, what's your name? I appreciate had me over your house. I've got a story. That's the story.

I'll leave you this one. So Lee invites me to do a writer's round, right, They're like, hey, uh, timpants out when you come to around with me, And I know that for me it was the worst thing we played at the listening room. And he's like, hey, come right to me. In a couple of buddies and come out and come, Come, Come Doe some song. Because Leon and I had written a bunch stuff together. We'd write Le and I had read some hip hop stuff together too, wrote the dumb song by Starbucks and we did wait,

wait all this stuff. So I get out there and he's like, hey, I want you to meet the two guys that are playing with you. And I walked in and he goes, hey, this is actually Gorley and this

is Christie Stephano, two of the freaking biggest songwriters. And Lee's hilarious and has had so many hits and hits at last the test of time to like he wrote like in Color for Jamie Johnson and You're gonna miss this, and he wrote it ain't my fault for Brother's Osborn, like he's still he wrote that, like he's still putting them out. It's crazy, man, his career. And so Lee

would go like, why don't even nail some song? And then here I go, I'll play something totally stupid, right like whatever, And then then Stephano would sing a carry Underwood song better than it's good. I mean, I know, all right, he's got the stump a bass drum on his foot he's to play rounds with. I don't even know what I was getting. And then it goes over to Ashley and asked. He's playing keys and he's singing, you know, he's doing Luke and he's doing Cole, you know.

And then it comes back around to me and I'm like, guys, I don't know what you want me to do. I guess I'm gonna play this song called when I started drinking Boom Boom boom and think about it, I was so out of my element. That's so funny. It was like three of the biggest songwriters in town and here I am up there playing songs in the middle of them. I felt so stupid and I was like, I was like, late, I can't do that ever again, Like that's just not this. I'm not trying to be a song I'm not you

guys like I know my talent. I can write some funny words, yeah, and I can play about twelve chords. I'm sure it was awesome though no, no, no, it wasn't it come not for me. It wasn't awesome Ross conference. I appreciate it has been fun, and uh, let me know if you anything, Like everyone need anything from me. I'm doing a round soon. I'm gonna cool. Let me know how much I'm watch if it's it's early enough. Bluebird,

Bluebird in the map. You know. I played the Bluebird for the first time, like with with past, like I want to know when you do this stuff. I live right next to it. I'll come. I don't tell anybody because I want to come watch. I want to come watch you play around. Then come on, And I'm telling you I don't get affect because I've played everywhere. I played the Opery twice. I've played Yeah, we've played the Opery twice um which sold out the rhyme and twice,

so I've got to do everything awesome. But let me tell you this. Playing the Bluebird, it's a different things. People are sitting around on top of you and it's like the freaking blue Everybody's everything's a freaking it's like the Freepery. Yeah, it's a freaking Bluebird's. I get freaked out of the Bluebird. The sound is not very good and you're just going and it's not supposed to be. It's not supposed to be. You're right, and that's about the song. It's crazy. Well, good talk that's a guy.

How long was if they're never that long, they're never that long because they usually only just pretty good. That's a good one. It was pretty good, all right, ros command. I got a round coming with Laura McKenna, Hilary Lindsay. I would think you're okay. I would never ever. I sat with Taylor at a c MS. Hey, I was right down from you. Did you know that? It was so crazy. We were on the other side of too big of us are to see you. So I'm just kidding. I was. I had low cash, was sitting on my road.

I was next to Hilary on the other side. And now I didn't see the other side of hill in your row. Yeah, I didn't see. That's so funny. And Laura, yeah I wasn't a good group. Yeah, yeah, it was good. That was fun. I love Laura's she is the greatest human. We got to know where out there so you didn't get given so much time weather until then. No, never, she's awesome, She's amazing. I mean I wasn't around with her. I had to follow a girl crush and humbling kind

I put your good right now, I did. I was like, all right, I'm gonna pass, pass, skip this partner, alright, we're gonna go up. Fifty one is over. Thank you again to Blue Apron and one A Happy Flowers, and I hope everybody enjoys it. We'll see you next time.