Episode 46 - Aubrie Sellers (3-27-17)

And then I do this thing at the beginning of the year where I picked five artists that I just love and it's called the Class and it's like I'm gonna follow them and I'm gonna see what they're doing. I'm gonna promote them whenever the thing, and you were one of the five that I was like, holy cow, this is really cool. Thank you so much. That was like big, huge surprise for me. And the reason is and also want to run a couple of Aubrey Sellers

urban myths and see if they're true or not. But the reason was because your album is just so different. And what I thought was cool about your album was it just feels like this is something that and here I'll just play something. I'll play sitting here and cry for a second while I talk about it. It feels like that's not your record. Hold, we have too many buttons. We're just in my house here, right. It was like this,

this record is so different that you knew. I just me assuming that it was just either going to be huge or it had the still the head ability to tank because it was so different. But it was just so different that you wanted to do it. It It didn't matter, right. The truth to that, yes, there's truth to that. I think, you know. My opinion is when something is different, it takes people a while to get familiar with It's it's

if it's fresh to your ears. You know, it's not going to sound like anything else, and so it might not Everyone might not immediately pick up on it. And I think some people will need to hear it or be exposed to it multiple times before they get it. And some people get it right away because they came from the same you know, stock that I did and listen to the same stuff that I did and get it right away. So it's definitely really different. And I

was thinking about this earlier too. It's just like it, it just doesn't matter. I'm going to do my thing. It's just the kind of music I make. You know, what I mean, and and I think it has potential to reach a wide audience and and hopefully, UM just keep hacking away at it and see what happens. So here's what I heard. So I hear, I hear that you go in to make the record, and this can be completely true. This isn't on a note that I have. These notes are just normal stuff I don't even need.

But the what I heard was that you go into the studio and you're making this record and there are no acoustic guitars on. Is that right? Not one? Not one? And that that was kind of a fight where they were like, hey, maybe you should add some acoustic guitars, and you were like, I am not putting again a

single acoustic guitar on this record. Is true, That's very true. UM. You know, I'm I'm a very all or nothing person, and I think when I made this record, I really wanted to go after it and I wanted to make something that was representative of what I love. And I have a very country voice and I write what I considered to be country songs, but I've been really inspired by Led Zeppelin and CCR and a bunch of as

far as sonically, the way those records sound. And so when I went in to make this record, uh, you know a lot of the things that I took his inspiration. Production wise, we're all electric and they had these you know, trashy drums at song has and you know, off those old leads up records, and and so I kind of just said, look, we're just gonna do it. We're just gonna go for it. We're not gonna half acid, you know what I mean, Like I wanted to sound like this.

But okay, I assume you didn't pay for the record though, right, And so if you're not paying for the record, it's rare that you get to make such a big decision about the record. Like how it works as mostly you have your you and you have your you influence and they have their because Warner is your record label at the time. You've got on a couple record labels, but one is your current record label, and so I'm assuming they're weighing in, going, hey, we also need something that

kind of fits. Was there this kind of well no, so Warner you know wasn't around when I made the record. No one was around really No, Yeah, I didn't have I didn't have management. I didn't have anything when I made this record. I was completely making this with Frank the producer and you know, funded by my publishing company. So that is how we made it. And he won had percent believed in me and what I was doing

and helped foster that. And that's why I love Frank as a producers because every artist that he works with, from Miranda Too, you know Jack Ingram to you know, David Nail, whoever it is, the record sounds like the artist and not like Frank. And he's really good about fostering that and people and and respecting their vision and so uh, there was a little bit of butting heads, but also a lot of respect and I think he really got it. And then that's why it turned out

that way. It's kind of a good news bad news situation. Then you're in and you get to do your own thing, but you don't have somebody like a big record label going, hey, we were involved too, and we're investing in this actual project. But you got to make what you want and I feel like that's just what you want to do. Like I just feel like that's what you do. You just do what you want to do. For the most part, the deal is is that to me, making music is

about making music. It's I don't think of it. I do want to reach a wide audience. That's why I make it. That's why I signed to a record label. That's why you know I'm out here doing this. I want to reach as many people as possible. But at the same time, I believe in what I'm doing, and I think you have to. I think that my favorite artist that I respect, Steve ORL. Dwight Yoakam, people from that era who were mainstream artists but did something completely

unique and on their own. Uh, those are my favorite artist I respect them, you know, and I think they have long lasting careers and you can have in this business, in this world to day, you can have four number one songs and people still don't really know who you are, you know what I mean. Or you can have a slow build and maybe not have a hit song until your third record, but you know, then you have a

really long lasting career. You have an identity, and you have people who are going to come to your shows until you're retired, you know. And that's the kind of career I hope for myself and and I think any artists should. Well, you know about CCR. I was like, so I grew up listening to old these radio with my stepdad. So my stepdad and I would listen to Cool nine. I grew up in a tiny town in Arkansas, and the first band I was ever in, well all

we did we did all Credence cover songs. And again I was born in the eighties, so it wasn't like I wasn't gonna live really when John Fogerty was here and you bring up it's funny you bring up create such a big CCR fan. But also and like if you're in Texas that CCR also means Cross Canadian Ragley. Yeah, so there's like there's like the double So when you talk about like the the trashy drums and stuff, I

mean you're right, yeah, yeah, I do. It's cool that that you mentioned the old school stuff, like where is your old school music influence? Where does that come from? It's funny because nobody in my family listened to rock really. I mean, Frank Laddell, who's my stepdad, has a lot of You call your step that Frank, Yeah, because I called my step that Keith. That's not yeah, that's where I mean. Well, then there you go, Yeah, you're right,

I think about that. But yeah, so you know, he listened to some of that stuff, and I think that's why we connect a lot of musically. But my mom, you know, listening to straight up old school country and my dad listened to a lot of that too, and then more pop. So so for me, I kind of discovered the stuff on my own. You know, I'm part

of the internet around here, it's almost like there. So there are some kids who rebel, like if their dads a doctor, they go and they you know, shoot up and do what heroin waffle house and you know, they just your trouble and they go to jail because they want to rebel against that. I felt like, you're rebelling, but it's in a weird way of just a different your stylistically rebelling. Because let's go to your stepdad produced records. He's won a few a c m s right for

like the produced record. Yeah, they have one album of the Year like every year. So Frank your stepdad is is that weird to be in that environment, a professional environment with basically the person you're related to. Yeah, you know, it's interesting because I think there's a little bit of a distance because he's not trying. It's like I was saying, I mean, that's why I respect him as a producer. I think that he doesn't try to intervene too much.

He's a good He fosters and he helps and he develops and doesn't try to come in there and order your on and tell you what to do and what's right. We don't yell, but you know, I mean it was him that it was like, you know, there was a song that we cut that didn't end up being on the album that he wanted to put an acoustic solo on, and that was that moment you were talking about where

I was just like, no, it's not happening. I also know a little bit of how the business works, and you know, I'm like, once you bring that in here, it's not going away, Like you know what I mean, Like I know, it's just kind of kind of taking a stand and drawing your boundaries. And that was really important to me. And so he was really respectful of that. And I think he I think he gets him excited

more than anything. I mean, I think he gets excited to work with people who know what they want, you know, And I think that's his favorite type of artists to work with, from Randa to all these people who have always kind of known what they wanted to sound like you. Your biological father is a massive songwriter. He's written let'st off some songs that he's written, don't you want to say? Yeah? They're sunny and seventy five I think was his latest one. I'm He's written a bunch of songs and so he

has his own style. That did he weigh in to the record. He has lots of opinions, you know, And it's interesting, it's all three of my parents. If you could say that I have very unique I don't know. They have different opinions, and I listened to them all and then I kind of do you know, I do what I feel in my heart. And your mom, who's lean Walmack, she doesn't sound like you. You sound your

vocals sound very similar. But again, stylistically, it's like you made this record of I'm gonna kind of say the same. But I don't want to be anything like anybody else that's like you rebelled, except in a nice way, like that nice rebelled. You're rebelled with a guitar tone instead

of trouble. And that's really funny because a lot of people say, like they hear my record, they see me online or whatever it is, and they, you know, and I wear all black and I have this music and I'm really aggressive, and I think they expect me to be like, I don't know, read, Yeah, you're actually pretty pleasant. Yeah. It was the first time we about when you walked to the house and you were like, hey, just I

like what you and I was like, hey, good to see. Yeah, your Instagram is all black, and so yeah, you're cool. You're cool. You're your hair is black. You have your hair black, right, Yeah, it's dark brown naturally, but I go the extra mile and just go straight black. And you have the tattoos. I'm seeing all the rebellion now it's slowly started to trickle out. You're wearing how much of this black clothes thing is? Like your is all your outfit, your closet all black? It is, you know

mostly Also I like white gray, I like neutrals. But what do you emotionally? Why do you think that is? When I started dressing for stage or for shows, when I started playing three or four years ago, that was just what I picked every time and then you like Twilight was that three? I did watch all the Twilights. That's not why I dressed like this. No, it's literally just what I thought looked the best. And then I kept buying more and more, and now that's kind of

a thing now, and now I can't wear anything else. Seriously. I'll try, I'll put something else on and be like, I'm gonna mix it up tonight, and I can't do it. It's just there's something. I don't know what it is. I don't know if I'm O c D or oh definitely, no, no, you definitely. Even your tattoo has no color, like it's not even just a thing. Even your permanent stuff has

no color on it. Like my I'm most too, because they're all perfectly aligned with each other, and so mine is not about color so much is that everything's got to be in order. And I'm very time O c D. Two. Mike Decent was like, hey, Albreay's gonna be over here. She just left um and it was like six minutes before we start, and I was like, oh boy, she's gonna be late. I'm not gonna You're early. Like a minute, I was like, do you know why I know where you live. I know right. You can say who it

is if you want, but I want. But I was having dinner at your neighbor's house, okay, Dan from Dani Jay Okay, and we were I was were eating and meet him and Abby and Lindsay my girlfriend have a dinner and I was talking about your It was like, hey, you know we were doing this because they're also on Warner And I was like, hey, do you know Aubrey And he was like, no, where she loves right there?

And we like walked in the backyard, so you guys live over there by, And then you came and peeked up my window and then you weren't home, because I was like, is she home? Why don't we walk over? Because I've never until today, I've never met you before, and I've been and I love your album and I've been posted on Instagram and I was like, hey, this is really cool. I like it because it's just different.

And I feel like people that chase different things are okay with failure, and they're okay with continuing to fail as long as they get to fail on their terms. And there's all also this understanding of failure that if you keep failing, and you have and you're able to bounce back from it over and over again, that eventually you're going to hit. That's that's kind of my philosophy. And I also don't see it as a failure, you know, I see it as a slow build. That's how I

look at it. You know what I mean, what if none of your songs making this record make it on the radio. That just let's just play that game. What if none of your song, let's say, your new single I believe is liar, liar. Okay, so here's listen. I'm a fan, but let's sound like I'm not. And I'm

like I would be like every other programmer country music. Okay, this just this song right here, it just don't sound like hall and it's it's a it's a woman like my woman like woman's on the radio, and it's just it doesn't It is too bluesy and ain't country. What do you say to that? Yeah, I mean I say what I said to you earlier was that, look, just because it's different doesn't mean people won't connect with it.

And it may take time, and I think you have to find those people who believe in it and honestly, you know, Eric Church didn't have a hit until you know, a few albums in Miranda didn't have a number one song until her third album. I mean, people don't realize that now because they're the biggest stars in the country music. But I think if you look at what they did, it was stick to their guns and do what they believe in, and they built an identity for themselves and

they were true to who they were. And that's my goal. And you know, I hope people connect that. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, But I'm not going to change what I'm doing just to make just to take the easy route, you know what I mean? Are you so angry in your songs? So angry? Are so angry? Man? That's a relatable story. Oh no, listen, my jams are angry and sad songs I love and I tell you, I mean, I listened this album. I can always talk about like

an album if I save over five songs. First of all, I think the entire album process is it's so antiquated now of making that much music and putting it out at once, because that many songs don't really I think John Mayor nailed it with what he's doing with putting four songs and the four songs and then four songs and here's the project. And so he did that Wave one,

Wave two. He's about to release the rest of the record because I get to sit and I get to really take in the four songs instead of having fourteen songs put at me, and I gotta figure out like I love it sharing he just put out of record two many songs. It's just like my copy talks about the record like seventy three, like a box set, like the hut of box set, and it just all kind of gets lost, and I need time to sit with

songs I need. And so I think I'm sorry, I'm disappointing. No, it's not that I was gonna tell you you have ten songs, ten songs on this record. Okay, I didn't say that. Man, I think I saved nine and I don't ever say more than four on records. And that's how I know I like the record. I said nine or fourteen songs. How britally honest? Is that myke that told I deleted five of her songs. I didn't delete it. They just are not in because I keep a playlist,

like could I fly all the time. Oh my god, I want to points all time, and so I have, uh yeah, we kind of. Now I have nine songs of yours that still make the cut. Congratulations, thank you so much. That's good. That's a success. Man. Let me tell you what I love. Let me tell you first of all, I love to hear in Crown. I know that was your last song, you love radio song. Yeah, they screwed up. I don't even know that's a single. None even told me. I've been playing a you know,

I blame your people. Really think awesome. How did you feel about this song whenever they put it out? I love it? Was this your first choice or no? Yeah? I think that it's a really good representation of my sound as a whole and how I write songs and I high energy, which is what my show is like. And why don't you think it's worked? Like? Really there? My answer is that people in radio listen and go I need to hear exactly the same thing over and over again. That's part of it. There's a lot. There's

so many parts to it, you know. I mean there's there's politics, there's restructuring, there's you know, then you've got people resistant to change, and there's a million things. It's like people resistance will change, so they cannot avoid it right exactly, And I think that's the truth. You have to be such a I call it the Butterfly Kisses effect. Butterfly Kisses, I mean the song. Yes, that's exactly it.

Now here's what happened with Butterfly Kisses. So I don't know if you know, and you probably don't, but I've I grew up in a tiny town in Arkansas, and so my grandma played a ton like. I didn't even grow up with current country music. I grew up with old like Andy Griff's gospel records and from Arkansas. So Johnny Cash wasn't just God the country to people in

Arkansas like he was ours. Because so and then as I got older, I started listening to the radio and listen to the country, and I would listen to a lot of alternative stuff in the nineties, and then I was a hip hop kid, and I've worked in all these radio formats too. I just love music, oldies. I was talking about like I love you know CCR. So when I was working in pop, there was this Butterfly Kisses on This sounds like nothing on the radio. Nothing.

It's the there's a terrible song of some old man talking about giving this girl, and nobody wanted to play it because it sounded nothing like anything else and this song, but people kept buying it and kept buying it, and they had it was such an effect that radio stations had no other option but to freaking play Butterfly Kisses.

And here's Butterfly Kisses by Bob Carlile And I called, you have to Butterfly Kisses something you gotta make the people, tell the people that are making the decisions how good it is. It's funny that you knew the song and it's kind of emotional, like I like it now. I again, come on, I'll give you a dollar if you know sings. You just said it. I didn't say it, didn't. I don't think that's it. Bob, Yeah, yeah, you said it, did I say, Bob Carlisle Shore she was sitting here

from heaven and she's dead as little girl. You know, it's all like, what year did this come out? Have no idea, you don't know it. Nobody you know? Oh you want to another good one? And I'm just comparing this to your sound because again, nothing sounds like no, no, nothing sounds like you, and I love it. And that's why I think your music is fantastic. First of I like sonically, I like it, thank you, But I like

it that it sounds like nothing else. And there's something to that, because everybody always tells me I suck, and it's just because I don't sound like and I kind of do suck, but it also sound like nobody else. And I've always been told that. I when I was doing sports radio, I wasn't good enough and sound enough to be sports guy. And I was doing pop radio. Your your too country, your accents too thick. I go over to country radio. It's like you don't wear a

cowboy hat. We're in the world about. I have no where I can feel you. I'm too rock for country, too country for rock and roll. I feel you. I'm gonna play another song here, and this song was the song the same thing. Nobody wanted to play this song, and it just kept selling. Don't look at the screen. I like to surprise you because now you see I can't read it. I can't read it. Are you blind? I am kind of blind and also a bad angle

this song, and it's such a hit. Now, nobody would play this song, and then all of a sudden people kept buying it and buying it, and slowly it would trickle. If you know the song, nobody, nobody will play it. And this was no annoyance. It sounded like at the time, it sound like nothing else in the radio. It was all boy bands and it was all really well. I mean, when you hear Miranda Labert now it sounds familiar to you. But back in the day people you just came out

with Kerostene and people are like, what that? It's so angry? Yeah, like what is happening? You know? And now that's her trademark, and I think, you know, it's weird. I just read a book where they were talking about heya, the Outcast song. How is the same deal? People were like, what is this? We don't want to play it. They somehow got people to kind of sandwich it in between two familiar songs too, I guess, keep people from tuning out. And then it became one of the biggest It was a monster what

are you reading? What you don't read? Outcast? Hey? Y'all? Like what it was called? It was called habit. It was actually about habits and and how what we're drawn to and how habits were created. What what do you learn from that book? Because I like to read. Um, Yeah, well I learned that. I learned it's interesting because people. This book talked about how people crave familiarity, but they also like surprised. So they don't want things that sound

exactly the same. They want something that's catchy but sounds a little different to them, you know. And and so they might be resistant if something is too different and they haven't heard it, haven't been exposed to it enough. And I'm reading another book that's basically saying the exact same thing. So starting to catch on here. It's called hit Makers. It's about how anything a movie or song or anything now becomes a hit and why why they break through and how they catch on you feel? Are

you a pretty cerebral person? Like? Are you an intellectual? I love to read. I love to read. Yes, I'm reading a book constantly. That's cool. No one ever comes in and says that most people are like I can't read, but I fairly got out of school. Let's let's keep that off here. So what's what's a day like for you? Because you're out and you just finished with Miranda, right,

So you would go out on the weekends. Yeah, so a day on the road is you know, wake up kind of late, go to lunch, start getting ready for sound check, or maybe go visit a station during the

day and then you know, do they do this somebody sidetracker? Second, every radio station you get to, are they like, I love it and we're going to play it, and then you leave and they never do um Yeah in a way, yeah, that's pretty like you know what, I think this is so different and it's really gonna cut through and I'm gonna add it. It's gonna they don't. They don't say hey, I mean some people did and then they did add it. I didn't have anybody say they were going to add

it and then not add it. But when they add it, they really play it because you can add, not play totally give it a spend it one in the morning. It's like I was saying to you, I mean, my goal is to be exposed as much as possible, not necessarily to go to number one, even though that's a great way to be exposed. But I just want people to hear it, you know, whether it's whatever station it's on, and whatever. You know what I mean. I just want to connect with people and hopefully they can hear these

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This song is called Losing Ground just said song. Yes, yeah, I know, I know it is already. I know all your long just that are angry beneath dirt fullingder me no where to go? Did you ever think about doing the and maybe you did first? I don't know. I don't know your your early early story, because again I was just introduced to you by finding your music on

YouTube and going this is interesting. And then I then I went and I download on iTunes and I was like, wow, I'd like to I'm gonna keep nine of these songs. I remember, I was like, I'm gonna eat this one about like this one and this one and so like. So I don't know a lot of the back stuff. So did you ever think because Jacob Dylan would not say he was Bob Dylan's son forever? I tried to

avoid it as much as possible. I would assume you would want to write and and your dad is a famous songwriter, but he's not known really outside of the Nashville bubble. First of all, did you ever feel like go on the easy route and go on, I'm Aubrey Walmac No way, okay, the opposite. Did you ever think about having a whole different name than sellers? No? I felt like no one would know. I mean, my dad did have a record deal, and some people know who he is from his music, but you know, not as

much as his songwriting. And so really people don't people say my name? They have no idea. Then they a lot of people hear my voice and then they make the connection or they google and that's how they find out. Do you hear in your voice? Though? And your mom like you? Definitely? Because I see my sister and people are like you look just I don't think like anything alike. But everyone's like, you're just alike, and I'm like, well, like,

I don't, I don't see it. And everyone says it, But you can hear your mom and your voice similar. I can hear even a little bit of my dad and some of his the way he sings. He's a good singer. But um, I think it's different. It's not exactly the same, but it's definitely similar. And the vocals vocally, that's the most similarity I have to anything music wise. You know what I mean when you walk into an interview is the first question always about your freaking mom.

I love your mom, by the way, but I mean, as someone with it isn't always like, hey, so opera sellers here, so talk about your mom? You want to pull your hair out right? Well, you know, I mean it's like I get it. But people want to talk about what that's the story to them, you know, And I hope to hope that there's more of a story once they hear the music and here, that it's not

the same. And that's kind of how I direct the conversation usually is yeah, you know, I'm proud of my mom, and I'm doing when someone goes there immediately, I'm so used to it. I'm used to it. But you know, I mean, I rebelled against music, not I always knew I wanted to do music, but I did a bunch of acting. I went to acting school. That was kind of my thing. Apart from my family. Nobody knew, you know what I mean, Like nobody could. Yeah, I went to acting school Strasbourg in l a. Um, look at

you and what do you want? Like what was the goal here? Like like film acting? And I'm actually have an agent now I'm just I've been auditioning again. Um, vampire parts, Yeah, exactly, I'm gonna be the new Twilight because they're already remaking it. If they make you or something like pink, you're gonna this is the whole acoustic

guitar thing. You're not gonna allow it. Well, it's so interesting because I'm really introverted, and acting for me was I was less shy when acting because I don't have to be myself and it took me so long to get comfortable on stage as myself. Singing that was way way harder for me. And so you know, acting is

like you're not being yourself. It's it's easier to do that, you know what I mean, because it's it's really how I live my life as too microphones and I wrote a book, and I talked about I talked about that in my book. It's like, I'm terrible at real life

any sort of real life communication. Terrible. But if you put a microphone in front of me, if it's the radio show, if I'm doing stand up comedy, or if I'm out with my band comedy band playing on the weekends, like I am the most fun person to be around while I'm on. When I'm not on, I got nothing to say. I am. I'm not. I don't make myself vulnerable at all. But when I'm on, like it's party time, right Mike. When I'm off, I got nothing. I'm scared to put myself out there a bit. Yeah. Do you

feel the same way? Yeah, definitely, I think you know. I mean, yeah, it's interesting because I'm very introverted. But maybe you relate to this too. I feel like I want to connect with people and experience that connection, and so that's why I put myself out there with music and go on the road and things that normally are not a typical, like for an introvert to do get up and do stand up comedy? Are you kidding me? Like? Are you do you consider yourself introverted? Every every ounce

of me until I'm introverted. Before I go on stage. What am I doing in the back in the back, slumping over like like and I love doing it? But I got no, I'm just not good with people. I'm really I'm I'm not good with people until it's time to be good with people and I can turn on this. I feel you. It's part of me, that's me, but it's it's a part where it doesn't it's the absolute truth, but it doesn't feel real, if that makes sense, Like it I'm not being somebody that I'm not, but I

don't feel like I'm vulnerable because I'm behind this. Hey it's look, it's Bobby bones of my real freaking name. Well, you're not having to reveal every part of you. You're what I'm saying, so pretty much the old stroke. It's all out there right even then sometimes it good dicey. So you're you could say you're an introverted person. Yes, but it's like I said, I mean, why would why are we in this business? Because here's why we're in the business. This is my my opinion. We all have something.

You spending time with therapy because I have Oh boy, I bought my therapy as a car for sure. One year. I feel like we're in this business because there's something, there's something that's missing in us, and we are looking to find it through this group of people, some sort of support for me. I think it was I need to feel love from something. I'm not allowing it from anyone close to me because I'm just messed up. I never got it as a kid, and so I searched

for it from people that I don't know. So I go out on stage and if they laugh, I feel loved. If they clap and they cheer, I feel like that's some And I get this and I love it while I'm on stage, or I love it when I'm behind a microphone. Then you go back to the hotel room of the house and it's just like you know, it feels. So that's what I was saying earlier is I craved the connection. That's why That's why I want my music

to reach people. That's why I want to I like songs are so sad and angry it all so I I connected with acting. It was a way to express different emotions in different characters and different you know. Yeah, it's like a way to connect with people that you're not getting it. Maybe in your in your normal introverted life. How do you do Because I have a girlfriend, we've been together for at this point for nine months or so, are you talking about your personal life? I have no idea.

Do you mean whatever? Are you are? You have a boyfriend? And are you good at that? Yeah? I mean we get along really well. He's pretty introverted. He plays music with me, he plays in my bands. Oh my goodness, we're together. Oh my god. I don't even know how we get along really well? We do. Um, he's not as introverted as I am, but I think he totally gets it. Let me ask you this question though, because I don't even care who he is or what. But

yours boss? Yes, your your boyfriend's boss. That's an interesting dynamic. It's funny too, because I've been writing with them for the first time recently. We've just been you know, I really he's amazing, amazing guitar player, songwriter, really talented, one of those super super creative people. You know. He just focuses on making creating the music constantly, and he's my

band leader and I really respect his opinion. But there's definitely times where I have to be the boss, but you also pay him right and go, hey, it's time for a race. Not wow, he I mean, I'll tell you he's probably like the chilliest, most easygoing person I've ever known, so it makes it really easy. Are you a ty personality? I don't know. It's weird because I like he's a super relaxed to where he's like late

to everything, and I'm the opposite. As you know, I've showed up early, like I'm always like I'm like want to be there. I get anxious if I'm not there, but I'm not necessarily like to me, Okay, making plans I like makes me want to throw up. Like I'm not a plank, but I'm a type of where I'm going to be the leader with the ship may go down, but I'm going to captain this thing and we're gonna crash into iceberg or we're gonna win the race, but

I'm going to be the captain. It's funny because yeah, I think if you ask anyone that I work with, I'm I'm like, I guess if that's what a type A is, then yes, because I am so detail oriented. So you know, let's do this let's do this paying attention to everything, you know what I mean, whether it's creative or business or anything. I'm like, in there, can you separate with him and go, okay, music off? I think it's such okay. He grew up like his parents

played bluegrass, so he grew up around music. So we have a similar background that way too, And I think that it's just so ingrained in us. It's not really something that you turn off necessarily. But we don't. I don't. We don't have a problem with it. I mean it's

it works out pretty well. What do you listen to? Like, you know, I was just looking at my list of the last three songs, like I have the ed Shear and I didn't I think I kept I'm gonna tell you this, I didn't keep as many Ed Shearing songs as I did your record. And I love the Adhering now and I think he's got some fantastic stuff. I think he try. He tries to do like seventh thinking out louds though on that record, and I'm like, dude, get over it. Like I love Edge Hearing, I love it,

but I'm like, how many times you can try? Thinking allowed in this records? I mean every song. I was like, when youre su next door and I'm like, dude, So that record is one of the last ones that I've really played a lot. Um my girlfriend, but out of record, that's really good this weekend. So I listened to that a lot, and I like a bunch of hip hop stuff. Because I work out. I don't work at the country. I can't get the county music. Yeah, that would be awful.

I can't. I just there's only maybe like some Keith there been where the Black Tops, because there's only our brothers, Osborne and my fault. Like that's about it inside my word. So what do you listen to for fun? Right now? It's so funny because I'm really boring because I listened to the same things over and over and over again, and but nothing new excites you when it comes out, Like I love the new John Mayer stuff. Him and Garth my favorite all time life artists. I'm trying to

think of the newest album that I've downloaded. Okay, the last album that I heard and I was like, holy crap, this is just cool and I never heard anything like it was the new Tam and Paula. The newest Tam and Paula record, You're way too cool. I don't have to spell that. I don't even know what words you're saying. I'm must sare it that way? Tame Paula Tame Okay, wait, no, you gotta let me pick this song. Holy cow, there's

ninety five million listens to one of these things. Play that first one, hold on minute, The less I know, the better. Tame and Paula. Okay, they're very cool looking like they having a showers in about six days kind of restaurant there. It's like the ruvious stuff. Ever, I should go skating to this. And there's the lead singer female male male. Where are these people from? I've never ever heard anything's Australian, but I'm making that up. I think, oh, yes, wow,

you're so cool. This is Look how many plays it has and not the only person who knows this no its, I can look at them million of the other plays or what Aubredy sellers. Listen to the related artists here. Related artists to Tame and Paula Pond never heard of him? Unknown Mortal Orchestra. I've heard of them, you have they have to be terrible. After listen I've not listened to them. Really, Okay, here we go, let's listen to it. This is uh so good at being in trouble. It's something exactly like

Tam and Paul singer. Wait. I do know that somebody in this band is either in Tam and Paul or in another band. That's the only thing I think. You're just You're just cool and no, no, that's not always a compliment and would be like, hey, you're real cool, like cool can hurt you a little bit? Because, like I'm gonna say this, did the last songs after that's download this Michelle Branch hopeless romantic? Like I love Michelle Branch. She did this with one of the Black Keys and

he produced it. She lives here now and they live here and he is there dated. I didn't know that cool. That's cool, right, But it's also Michelle Branch who was like pop radio queen, so like I was a fan already, But that sounds like, um, rotten apolo? What do you call about that? Rotten Paula? How about this is another song? This is it's my girlfriend's song. She just puts that waiting on you And this is cool because it's kind

of bluesy too. Let's hear it. And you know this is not normal country like, but this new love thing man not kiss the soul dancing you and she's gonna get a bit with you. Got like that sounds like everything. That's a good thing. But she's like, screw it. I'm just gonna put out what I want to put it out. Well, this is going baby, I can't see every time you leave me, I just want you to see. It's you know,

it's so mad at radio and I've been radio. I literally have the biggest country morning tooin the history of country morning shows. And I get so mad at radio. I shouldn't be getting mad at terio. I get so mad. And then here I'm gonna pay you good at Sharon song. That's cool. Yeah, she's cool. I like, I want to hear I want to hear the wait she just put on EP right on Friday. Right, Yeah, it's uh yeah,

it's I mean, it's mediocre. You know you're you're probably it's no um Tampa Paula, Tampa, Paula, Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a jamp about here and here it's called what do I know? Ain't got a soap stand up gave me stage concern you like a man? Yeah, not really. Most of them like at your and go. Yeah, but I know I've listened. I mean, you know, I don't listen to regularly. Christ Now I'll painted picture, let me say the scene and when I have children? Do you

have anything that you like? Because for me, because there's a song about to play him and I don't wanna tell you who it is. I don't like my screenka. I don't like a screen because I love the blues. Yeah, I love the blues. And I heard this song and I was like, geez, this song is so good and I'm like, listen to the pain right here? Have you ever heard this song? You know a new This is John Mayr. It's not John Mayr. It does sound John Mayer. Do you think about me? You can hear the pain

right there? Right? Can you name? Let me hear a little one? Yeah? Do you feel the same thing I didn't? Yeah? Do you remember how Justin Bieber basically Sean Mindez, he's like twelve me. It sounded like one of those guys, but he plays guitar like he's a real life artist, like that really makes music. But he started on Vine and it's so young. He doesn't get that respect because they put up Did he start on vine? Yeah he's vine this six second vine kid Fine. I loved it. Yeah,

it was too quick for me. It was too like I like Snapchat. I don't like instant stories as much to do snapchat stories and stories are too long for me. Yeah. Um, Although it's an annoying because all your instagrams that I've seen are black and white. Do you do all black and white all time? Not all the time? Most of the time, I don't think I've seen any color. Like that's got to be annoying, right, I have to live like you. They have to live this black and white lifestyle.

That's well, that's what I'm saying though, And it's the same thing as my clothes, like most of the time. That's just what I like. Yeah, I've only have a nice personality. Well you can beat black and white and nice. Yeah, this was good. I like this that you did because I love cold Play and you guys got into a van. There are a lot of you and you did green Eyes. That's one of my favorite cold Play songs. I think it was from a Russian Blood to Day. Yeah, the

record played this on my show. I thought it was so good. You're welcome so much, and the video wasn't black and white, believe it or not. That was good because I love colfora You never seen them live, no, Oh my good, change your lives I have. You know, they're one of the few bands I have every single record. I know every song. I'm obsessed and I've never seen them. They are so good. I can't wait. I'm going to see them. And it was at some point when they

came out. Cold Play came out and they were like life changing, and then it turned into if you like Coldplay, suck because they're lame. And now they're cool again. It's been a weird thing. It's hard for artists about so annoyed when people are weird about cold Play because they're not cool or whatever. I'm like, they're good, get over it. Yeah they're fantastic. I Loveday, but also love sad songs. Yeah,

I love sad songs and also love melodies. And he's like King of melody and he's you know, met him, sitting him. He's such a weirdo, and it makes in the weirdest. People are creative. People have to be different to be creative. So they're also different in person, and he's one of the weirdest humans, but he's it's just fantastic. I love cold Play. Man, Um, who do you in town? Who are your friends that I would know? L can't interesting?

Like who would you call that I would know just from like no, not maybe not even personally, but like that we who's your closest friend that had this an artist that has a deal. This is difficult because I'll have friends either. So I mean I have all my close close friends. I was born in Aashville, so all my close close friends are just people I went to school with when I was eleven. Did you grow up? Were any of those kids? These Nashville kids are any

of them like making it now? All doing different things? So I had a friend who now is in l A and she's like a super successful dancer. She's Jason Drula right now stationed Drulo's backup dancer. She used to be Christ's. Yeah, she's doing that. I don't have I don't know. I'm trying to think of somebody I know that does music that was you know. I don't think I don't any one that's doing music, but a few people like that, who are doing some cool things. What's

it like being a kid in Nashville? Whenever you have a famous parent? That does that suck? You know? I was homeschooled more than I went to school, so that explains a lot of this. It's interesting when I went to school, that's so mean. My favorite she just kept going. So I when I went to school for the first time, well for the first time, as like a you know, not a preschooler. Um. I try to hide who my mom was, Like I wouldn't let her like drop me

off or come inside anywhere. And then somebody saw her picking me up one day a mom and told her daughter, and then everyone knew. And then it was like I was so upset, like I didn't want anyone to know. I was going to keep it a secret as long as seemingly possible. Was it because you're the normal kid who just embarrassed their parents or you just wanted your own identity? Yeah? I think I wanted my own identity.

And it's like you're saying, it's like everywhere you go then people are just like, wow, that's so cool, and that's all they want to talk about. And it's like, jeez, you know what I mean, especially as a kid, You're like, I just want to live my life. I feel bad for my son and I don't even have any kids yet, but when I do. Oh can you imagine, like, yeah, talking about me all the time? Oh no, here, this is the song now unless the podcast left for years

and years, so this five years from now? Who knows, but this song, Liar Liar is the one that is going to radio. Now do you feel good about this? How do you feel about it? Like? Really, how do you feel about going on the radio? Speak from the heart? I mean, I think my opinion on this song is this is the song that I get the most people coming to me it shows and saying that they relate to it. And that's all I have to say about it.

And I think that it's a relatable thing that lots of people experience and hopefully they'll connect with that if they even get the chance to hear it. And that could be an issue, but you know, it's just it's why doing the like you did could play. It's why doing those songs matter. A lot of artists don't want to do covers because they're like, this is my this is just me theory, This is not your theory. This

is me theory. It's like they're like, I don't want to covers because I have my own music, and I'm like, that's great, and if that's really how you feel, fantastic, stick to it. Bobby theory is do a cover that makes everybody go look at it, and then you know what else they might see is the stuff that you're struggling to get out there. And then once you have four or five, six, seven hits, you have new covers anymore.

You're good. I crave doing covers, honestly, songs that I've loved or I or I hear it may not even be a song that I listened to all the time, but I hear it and I just immediately hear a way that I would want to do it, you know what I mean. And I think it's a great way to I think it's also a great way to let people know where you came from, you know what I mean, and what you listen to and what inspired you, and and and also show how you can take a song

and make it your own. And I think that shows a little bit, a little bit about who you are as an artist. You know. So we're gonna get into any tame and Paula um tam and Paula songs came and Paula songs are all about seven minutes long and but have about a thousand words. And I am terrible at remembering lyrics. So probably not when you opened, because you're you? Are you the first act on the Miranda tour? Were you already just finished? Who's on the tour? Was

you met Old Dominion and Miranda? Okay, so you go out as the first act. It's awesome and frustrating one. You're on the Mirando tour. That's awesome, she's a list. Yes, you're the first act. Let people are like shuffling into their seats or do they know your music? And so it's gotta be harder to even get their attention right

when you're the first act. Up. I felt on this tour and you know this is the thing to First of all, the music doesn't identically match anyone, but I think as far as a mainstream country tour, that's the best one I could get. I mean, they want they're coming to see a woman who plays electric guitar and sing songs from her heart, and that's also what I do.

Even though it's a you know, it's a different and the they she had a pit in the front, which made it a lot more familiar to me because I'm used to playing rock clubs and so I've got people right up on the stage and the pit was always full, and the room was always pretty full, and it felt like it felt like people were listening, and you know, you've always got those nights where you've got people are kind of like you know, and you just gotta work through it. But I think almost, I mean, I would

say ninety pc of the shows were amazing. It was awesome. How did um did you? Because the thing about people people, you know, you're on towards somebody and sometimes you don't even really spend any time with the other people on tour because everybody's kind of split up and your sound checking at different times and they're coming in while you're going out. Did you spend any real time with her? Yeah?

I mean the problem with this tour was it was pretty short and in comparison to some long, longer tours that take a year or you know what I mean. So yes, and I've known Miranda for a long time too, so I forget your step and produced the records. Yeah, what does she tell you. It's funny because I remember telling her about my record before it came out, and she,

you know, I said, what's really different? That's all I've told her, and you know, and I said, I don't know how people are going to react, and she just said, you know what, it's kind of like same for me, basically, you know what I mean. When she came out, same deal. It's like not doesn't sound like anything else. You have no idea, And she basically said, stick to your guns and those you know, like I said, those are the artists I respect, and she listens, you know, Steve row

and some of those artists that I love too. So I think that, you know, to watch her every night doing that and now playing arenas when I've seen her play you know, little places in Texas. But that's who plays arenas. People that do something different and make it pop, like look at arena acts. Those are the people that

change the culture of whatever it is. That's what I say about having a long lasting career versus you can have five number one songs and and you spend your life opening for other artists and haven't built any hard ticket sales. Up and then nobody really there's no identity, there's no base for you, you you know, and then you've you've been You're reliant on radio singles to keep your career going, and once that's gone, you don't have anything, you know, and that's that would be my worst fear,

you know. And I'm sure somebody who's having a ton of success right now and five number one songs doesn't care about any of that. But there are artists that I can and I won't to say the name, and I like about three of them that have many number ones and they can't get recognized walking on the street because people don't care about they just the songs are good, but there's only nothing of to them, and so you know, and they live a night but they're you know, they're like,

what can I do? What do I know? I'm a freaking radio DJ. But you know, you're right. And then man, I tell you, Eric Church just they listen to his album cuts. You ever been an Eric Church show? I've not seen him, and I can't even say that I'm a huge Eric Church fan. I like his songs, but they're because Eric Church fans are so die hard that if you call yourself. One. You need to be like an Eric Church fan, like you better punch somebody in the face. Yea if they insult your dude. But like

that's the dude. Like who when he goes to place three hours and he's playing album cuts, the crossing in every album. What I'm saying, Man, that's the stuff. Yeah, that's the stuff. Same with Randa, she's playing songs that maybe literally I get somebody like a radio person might call it a failure, you know, but then you've got the entire audience singing along like you're saying every word, and you're like, what's what's the where's the failure? Like

you know people connected with it. It's like Tam and Paula, like I just can't get enough of that, you know, Sam, that's not something you listened to. It Mike listen is to punk and this stuff this time he does do is terrible. He listens to the worst music. It all sounds like the guy's holding his nose and he's thirty four and he's whining about being grounded, like that's every song that it's always like my mom won't let me go? Are Like, dude, you're thirty years old, Like mean him

out of the basement, but but he loves that stuff. God. Oh it is total crap and like spit on each other. Concerts right blasted super loud. We went, Where did my ears hurt? Oh? We went. We went to UM. It was Melissa Etheridge and my girlfriend and Cam and Orionthy. Do you know Orion's plays guitar. Yes, crazy guitar player. And it was so loud. I was miserable the whole show. It was just it was like my ears were hurting. I couldn't enjoy it. It was not It was just

not fun. Why because it was so loud and we were setting out front at a table and it was miserable for me. Right, and I love this Ethers you know, come to my window. I was like, I know all the words, but I couldn't get it because it's just like painful on my head. And so I look over my d is just like smiling in heaven, just loving it. And he was like, dude, all I need somebody to spit on me. And what's every man, Mike ever heard of them? What? Laato? What? You have a feather? A

feather for? What? For aesthetic value? Because yeah, has no real meaning? No, I mean, so my first tattoos behind my ear it's a sparrow, which is a song bird. And then I just have always felt I guess a connection with birds, isn't that unique and cool? Like a crow? Exactly? Oh, and that's why I got it. It's not really I

just liked it. I'm root for you, Aubrey. I know, I don't know what that means in the grand scheme of things, but like, I'm rooted for you because I not only do I enjoy your music, I enjoy how you do your music. Thank you. And it's just like I'm just gonna do it how I do it, and if it works, great, and who doesn't keep doing now

I do it. That's just it and I can respect that because man if I failed, I have failed a lot just trying to do it how I do it, and then eventually it catches, and it's gonna catch for you. You're you're too good for it not to catch. It's just when are people going to catch up to you? That's how I feel. I can't see the future, but all I know is if you keep writing songs from your heart, somebody will hear it. And I can see the future. I can. And so eventually people are going

to catch up to what you're doing. And who knows where it'll be, but eventually people are gonna cat chop. They're gonna be like day I remember, listen Bob in that podcast who was right? It's called just to Be with You. I encourage you to download Aubrey and you know, listen to her music. Give it a shot. If you don't like it, delete a song as like I did five of them. Oh my god, No, don't tell people that, but listen. You write from your heart. I speak from

my heart. What if they have never heard this and they do download seven or eight of the song, that would be it's better. Yes, if you listen to one song, I'm happy, okay, Yeah, even if you delete. I'm just saying, don't encourage it. No, I'm just saying, give everything a shot, and if you like it, that's a win. Yes, it's definitely a win. You write from your heart. I Speak to my heart. Um and and liar. I don't know if any radio people are listening to this, I would

assume they do it. They all say they don't. They listen everything, and then they all talk trash. They talk trash about me. It's a whole thing. It's terrible, probably because they want to go I hate radio people. That probably why, and they're like, wow, I sure love you. Yeah, I know right. It's hard to expect to be loved by people I like. I love radio, but sometimes I feel like it holds itself back in our format. I

feel like hold its own back down a bit to change. Um. So, hey, I played a liar, liar if I were out there and you're listening right now, that's all I'm saying. So I'm glad you came in. It's cool to finally made you. Thank you so much your Instagram. I thought I wasn't too boring, just kind of not not. I just play feel good about everything. Yeah, okay, so about your mom? An just about your mom? Like I too? Yeah? Like whatever?

U episode is my episode forty six. You can follow Aubrey at Aubrey Sellers a U B R I E S E L L E R S Aubrey Sellers. I respect how you make your music. I like your music, and just keep you will I'll tell you this, but just keep doing you. Man. You eventually you catch us up.

Thank you. It means something. It really means something to me that you believe in honestly when when you take me for you know the thing this year, I was just like, even if it's just this guy, even if it's just Billy Jones, Yes, just the biggest DJ, even if it's you know, but no, keep on keeping on and if you ever need anything, Hey, I'll let you cut to my house. I'll thank you. Now. I guess we let a lot more people. Yeah, I was like,

what we've done. We've probably had thirty people over right, Yeah, and yeah, the only people I enjoyed. Anybody didn't enjoy. I think about there's anybody that's left, we have to their name? Are you going to say that when you know? But you know what I like, because now that's what happened. People come and I have no idea about them, right, some of them leave, and because most of them I've met. I try to stay out of circle, out of the Nashville circle, because then I like to be objective and

I like to if something sucks, I'm just cool. It's have nothing to do it, and I'd like to have to, you know, link off people who I don't want to do. So I don't know a lot of cool people. But I didn't know Brandon from Lanco at all. And he came in and we talked and I was like, I did not expect that from that dude. That was I liked him a lot. I didn't coming in. I was like, Okay, I'm probably not gonna like this dude. He's too pretty.

I was jealous. It was just my insecurity. As my insecurity, let't be honestly, is my insecurity is like, this guy's gonna come in. I really liked him. Michael's anybody that came in there, we were just like, he kind of sucked. I don't think I can't either. I really love Natalie him Be because she came in and do you know her all? Yes? Yeah, I liked her a lot. She's awesome. Yeah. I mean I was kind of nervous. I was like, come in here, yeah, why because like it's like an hour.

You know who came in that that was cool? This guy I haven't book John Oates from Hall and Oates. You had him in that school like last two weeks ago, rocking Hall of Fame. Nice. He had so much money and he like he had an airplane and stuff, and he ended up want all his money on like five bucks. That's the goal to get so rich. And then here's the goal. I'm gonna give a new goal. I want you to get so rich that you when you lose it all, it's a new story. That's how you know

you made it. That when you're so rich that whenever you lose all of your money, it's a news story. Oh my god, did you get it back? Because you have whatever talent you have, they got you there. But the fact that you lost all your money, that's a new story. That means you made it. That sounds stressful. I don't know about that, all right, You give your band leader a raise and finding if I ever make any money in the first place, if we got to

get there. People don't realize a lot of new artists, if not most are all of them lose money for a long time because you gotta story, costs money to travel and pay band members, and you're not getting paid very much. True, it is true. Yeah, it's a grind. Okay, Albredy sellers, thanks for coming to hanging out, Thank you so much. And then after you get a couple of hits, we'll bring you back and talking about how man the good old days when we used talking about just grinding

and out. I have to up. Forty six is over. We'll see you next time here, Mike Yea. We good. We're good. Do you have anything? Are you good? We're good. Okay, We're good. Good,