All right, Kevin, who is your guest this week? We have Zoe one name, yes, Zoe with two ease Zoe, Like, I don't know who other one name artists the Donna share Tupac Drake, got anymore?
Maybe Dirk's No, that dark's Bentley.
No, okay, no, that's somebody who goes by their first name, like, it's not Tupac Johnson and we just call him Tubac. Okay, Riva still Reba McIntyre for the most party here, I'm done. So how did you find out about Zoe?
Good?
Old algorithm social media.
Instagram came across her and then I was checking out her Instagram and she's from Australia and she seemed like a fun, happy girl.
And I sound like Australia with Mars.
But you'll never believe it.
She's from Australia.
It's so far though.
Have you ever been there? I have not. I don't know why talking that voice, but still all right?
Season two, Episode three of un Signed and Independent with Kevin O'Connell, who you may also know is kick off Kevin on twenty five Whistles and so as he said, she's from a whole other world called Australia.
Her name is Zoe, and then you've seen her in person.
Yeah, I went and saw her at a local writer's round.
Did you go see her after you saw her on social media and you thought about her for the show or did you just stumble across her after you'd randomly seen her?
No?
I found her on Instagram first, then reached out to her and said, hey, do you have any show.
It's coming out. I'd like to meet you and see you before before we sit down and talk.
So I'm with research man. Yeah, like a you.
Zoe moved to the UK from Australia and then Nashville last year. Kevin gets into that, and then it's about how long has she been here in time to say a year? That's what you said that? Yeah, like a year as in this COVID count as No year's.
No, like a year as in twenty twenty two.
Okay, so I put is she good? That's awesome? That's all I needed to hear.
It's great, all right, unsigned it independent with Kevin O'Connell. Here he is with Zoe, who to him is from another galaxy.
Apparently. All right, here you go, Thank you guys.
This is my first international, I would say, guest, I've had on the unsigned and independent.
So I am very excited.
I'm so honored, very thrilled, so honored. That is the big Yeah, thank you so much.
It's a big deal.
So wow, no pressure, no, no, no, none at all, not at all.
And I'm sure our audience can already hear your accent, so let's just dive right into it.
You are from.
Yeah, So I'm from Tasmania, at the very very bottom of Australia.
It's the most southern state we have.
The next stop is Antarctica, and I moved out here last year to chase music.
And you know, this crazy dream of creating a ride.
What is it like a girl from Australia Because forgive me, as you know, we can sometimes be naive as Americans and just think the only thing that happens in the world happens here, right, And the only thing that happens does happen here? Yeah, in country music happens in Nashville. So what does a girl from Australia think to herself, Like, how did you find out about Nashville? What made you think I want to move to Nashville? Where did that come from?
All right.
So the first time I ever heard of Nashville, I so quick little backstory before that. I grew up in the middle of nowhere. My family and I lived super isolated. We were about five six hours drive from the nearest city, and you know, like we lived off the land a lot of times, and so it was a pretty amazing childhood getting to grow up like that. So we only had radio, we didn't have internet, we didn't have phone signal, we
didn't have like TV. So I grew up listening to a lot of records and a lot of tapes and a lot of radio. So anytime i'd get a chance, and you know, from friends or whatever, I'd borrow DVDs or VHS's and watch documentaries on artists and stuff because I loved music. And so I remember we ended up and I can't quite recall how we got a copy, but we got a copy of the Neil Young documentary here in Nashville when he was doing Heart of Gold.
And I watched that over and over and over, and it was the first time I really heard about Nashville. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I want to be there.
That's like the place.
And I'd already fallen in love with music from a little kid. I grew up listening to everything from like Merl Haggard to ac DC and everything in the middle. And one of my favorite pastimes is, you know, listening to Rod Stewart, of all things, he was my lullaby music is like a four year old kid, I'd put on a cassette tape and fall asleep.
To Rod Stewart. So music has always been a very big.
Part of my life. And so that was the first time I really got to hear about Nashville.
And your family doing some research here talking before is you're all musicians? Is that correct? Or you just come from a family that loves music in general?
Bose.
So, my dad plays guitar. He always had a guitar kicking around the house. My brothers all play other instruments as well. My mom she's like radio. She likes to play radio. That's her that's her instrument. She's the first one to tell you, which is great. She does play
bass as well, but she wouldn't tell you that. So my dad always had a guitar around the house, and so he was like, I'm going to show you the first couple of chords, and so that was it, and he's like, I don't want to teach you anything more. He said, I want you just to learn your own way of playing it, because I don't want to influence you with my style.
You could learn your way.
And so I was always extremely grateful to him for that because it did allow me to have this, you know, unique sound.
And I started writing songs.
And I was about ten or twelve when I really started kind of gravitating towards writing my own stuff.
So, but yeah, it was a very very musical house.
There was always music being played or Dad was I was out with a guitar playing something and around the campfire, would always sit around and sing songs.
My grandparents were always extremely musical, and.
You know, so it was it was my grandma actually, she used to sing on our local radio stations down there as well.
So wo yes, that's kind of like I've got a lot.
Of music history in that sense, but I'm sort of the first one to take it internationally.
What about your siblings, any siblings.
Yes, I have I have how many do I have? Four siblings? Yeah, so two of them moved across the world with me. My two younger brothers, my parents moved with me and they all said, we want to help you kind of chase your dream.
Basically, we're here to support you and do whatever we can to help you. And wow.
Yeah, Like we literally left Astrat. They bought the dogs, you know, suitcase each.
And that was it and we left and we.
Moved to the UK six years ago. And we was over there. You know, it was doing you know, pretty good, was playing shows and it was going real good until COVID hit and then it was like, eh, you know how all that went. But yeah, so the family's just been the most incredible support all the way through with all of it.
And they're here now. Actually they're they're with me, which is the best.
So they're living in Nashville with you. Yeah, currently, And you guys all moved here at the same time. Yeah, did you ever come here before you all moved here? Or is it like I just seen it on documentaries and I heard about it and it's gotta be real. It's like people go to Hollywood.
That's so funny, you know.
Yes, So we had been back and forth a couple of times beforehand. I first, when I.
First came to Nashville, I came with the ukulele, and the only gig I could get was out at Bobby's Idol Hour and it.
Was before they moved.
So it was like I walked in there and I swear it was like walking into a christ Fist office and song. It was like there's money on the walls and there's like cigarette smoke everywhere and the floors are sticky, and I'm like, man, this is what I want, you know, this is this is where I need to be. I walked in there, I was so nervous, So I had my leakal ali and I played like three songs and then there's like six people.
In the audience and I'm like, I got this.
That was your first.
Gig, That's my first gig, Yeah, full gig ever actually outside of family.
But yeah, it was.
It was the best and I was hooked, and so yeah, we're doing back and forth a few times after that. Got to play CMA Festival in twenty nineteen, which was awesome, just poor COVID and all that craziness happened. And then after all that, got my visor and then moved here last year.
Wow, So what is that like?
Surviving the times through COVID We're tough for a lot of people, and people that are already established, and then I can't even imagine people who you know, don't have the backing of a huge label or management to make sure they can get through a year or two without maybe getting paid or getting gigs. And what was that struggle like for you, especially coming from overseas.
Yeah, it was. It was a tough run.
Like I had shows, I had a tour actually booked out through Europe for that whole year too, and then more shows back here in the US, and everything got canceled, you know, And it was of course, you're doing, as you say, being an independent artist.
You're doing everything yourself, whereas once.
Upon a time you would have a label with a booking agent, you know, organizing this stuff for you or taking care of your marketing or taking care of everything.
You know, you're organizing or going out on the road. There's a lot.
Of, you know, stuff that goes into it, and so to have that just kind of fall apart was devastating.
So that was, you know, it was a really tough time for me too.
I kind of I kind of went inward and thought, all right, now, what are we going to do?
You know.
And there was a few times too in the midst of all that, and I know a lot of artists went through the same thing. It was like should we give up? Do we stop? Like what's going to happen? We don't know where this is going to go? Can we even go back on the road anymore? Can we release music?
Can we?
So it was a really tough, challenging time. So I ended up.
Falling onto songwriting and I started writing with everybody I could, but a lot of writers here in Nashville too. Everyone started writing on Zoom, which was really great. So I got to meet lots of people and lots of writers here and kind of it really opened a lot of doors for me that I didn't expect to open. So there's a lot of good things that came from a lot of things that also.
Wasn't crect right right, a little ups and downs. Yeah, And you think your family support throughout the whole thing, from the beginning till now and even obviously moving forward, has been a huge upbringing for you and a big backbone for you.
I should say I could not do it without them, like just emotionally having their support behind the back of me, Like they've been because.
It's a lot of work and it's a lot of energy.
And you know, if you haven't got somebody or anybody behind you that really believe in you, it's very easy to just feel like you're overwhelmed by it because there's so much you're doing. You haven't got as we said about a label, you haven't got that support. So you need people that really genuinely believe in you. And do
you know the family too, more than anything. They know me from a little kid, so they know all of my quirks and my You know, you need to rest, you need to take some time, or you need to do this.
You're not working hard enough or you should be.
Know they just know you and they love you when they care about you, and that you can't buy that.
Have you had a chance yet or a time I should say where you were thinking I don't think I should do this.
You kind of touched on a little bit.
And then did you ever go to your family, parents, friends, whoever and say you, guys, I don't know if I should do this and they're like, hey, no, I can't kick.
You in the butt and say no, that's not happening. You're gonna keep doing.
COVID was kind of that moment for me in a lot of ways too. It's like, come on, this is gonna be all right. Just you're e a reacting, Zay, It's gonna be okay, We'll figure it out. You know, there's other ways to make music, and I you know, I remember Mum saying that to me vividly. Actually, She's like, you know, maybe this's TV and stuff. You know, there's all the ways to do it that you just you know,
you need to think about. And so that was when I was kind of like, all right, you know, let's focus on the songwriting and building better songs and writing with better artists and writers and stuff.
So yeah, and you need that. You need people to be around you that can be honest.
Do you feel like you've come out the other end post COVID as a better songwriter artist?
I have said generally, I really I think so. Yeah.
You know, Ben in Nashville is like the biggest education you could ever ask for, too, because you come to this town and we were just talking about it a little bit off air just as it was getting started there. It's like, you come to this town and you think, oh, you know, I've got the goods, but then you come to this town and it's like everybody is so talented, you know, it's like, oh my gosh, you know.
So yeah. I do think though, it has made me a lot better than that I was.
And I'm really grateful for everybody who's written with me and you know, believed in what I'm doing. That's the other thing about since I've been here in Nashville. It's kind of overwhelming in a beautiful way. How many people have just said you're welcome here, will help you, we support you, We think what you're doing is worthwhile putting our time into, and we're going to write with you, and we're going to do this, and we're going to
do that. And that's such a huge compliment because you just don't expect anyone to do that just for the sake of it, you know.
And if they do.
I don't know about your background necessarily growing up, but me from California, I've talked about this a little bit before. You almost wonder, Okay, well what do you want from me? If somebody asks like, hey, can you help me out or something? But out here in Nashville, I can't harp on this enough. I've told so many people that, especially back home. I'm like, everyone like genuinely just wants to help you, and are it's weird. I love that, and
it takes a while to get used to. I don't know if I'm I'm almost two years in and I still don't know if I'm used to it.
I love that, You're like, people just want to help you.
They want to get you to get whether it's music or radio or construction, it really doesn't matter.
Yeah, that's so true.
They just want to see you succeed in whatever you do. And there's just so much opportunity out here in every field and every profession. And I got that, and it seemed like you also have the support and outside of your family, just from people in Nashville, it's been.
Yeah, as you say, it's like you do you kind of think, oh man.
This is this weird? The only one of feeling this.
It is though that and I think us Australians too, we're kind of very much like that. We're like one hand washes the other kind of it's probably not a good analogy, but it is. Everyone helps each other and if you, you know, if you don't help someone else, they're not going to help you, and everyone climbs together. And I love that Nashville has that mentality because that's how I was raised.
I was brought up that way. So it is really really notice signed this to some friends the other night too. It's like, for the first time ever in my life, I feel like I'm home in a lot.
Of ways because everyone here believes the same thing and want to have the same kind of creative outlook on life. And it's just, you know, this is a like minded sense here and I love being around that.
I totally agree.
I feel like I've only been here a couple of years that I feel like I've been here for my whole life. Yeah, well, in a great way, in a good way, I've always felt welcome. People are from all over the place, and whether it's a different country or a different state, and you're all like minded where you're just like, man, I don't know, life is just too short. Let's just help each other out and like, let's have some fune while we're doing it, you know. Yeah, And
that's what I just feel like natural is like. And that's why I tell people all the time, like, the best decision I've ever made is a movie here for multiple reasons.
But this isn't about me anyway.
I know exactly what you're Yeah, good.
And speaking of help outside of the family, and some musicians and in particular or songwriters who are some of your biggest influences out here? I know right here we have James House and I saw you guys at the listening room a few weeks ago with Jeff Cohen as well.
And Jamie Floyd.
Yes, yes, and you guys were awesome. So are those three influential like in your career or is it a yah?
Yeah.
So that's the thing that you know, we were just saying about Nashville opening their doors. Like I've been able to work with people who I have idolized or loved their work forever, you know, and they've just said, yeah, let's do something. Jamie Floyd, Jeff Cohen, James House, all these incredible rights, Phil Barton, I've just this new song that I've just done with him, and Dana Purdue and all these people have just been so incredibly welcoming. Of course, there was Kyle Jacobs.
Who I was writing with him and he was you know what.
Happened obviously, Yeah, absolutely, And so but you know he was. He was a huge support as well, and just like we can do this, anything we need to do, let's do it. And it's like everybody has been so welcoming. So all of those writers that I've been working with are people who I have I've been huge fans of forever and it's.
Just an honor to have like the opportunity to work with them and they want to work with me. It's like, really sure you sure? Yeah, it's really lovely, It's awesome.
James, do you mind just bring on for a quick second and ask you a quick question here about Zoe.
I'd like to welcome James House if you want to give.
All James this line producer here.
I love great to be here.
Yeah, I just quick a little background of yourself, James, if you don't mind, this is a little got here in eighty nine.
That's I've been writing all my life. I've had a couple of number ones and Songwriter the Year nominated for eighth that Lonely It Do I yoakam a broken wing for Martina McBride. Just so I've been this is you were talking about how welcoming this town is and it was the same thing for me. I got here from I was living in LA at the time. I grew up in Sacramento. So yeah, I was very welcomed when I got here, and I was amazed with that, with that kind of helping hand and and it's it's it's
just a great talent. I can't imagine living anyplace else. And Zoey just, you know, I think she's just got this specialness to her her personality and her voice and the music and the way she was raised. And you know artists, and it's a lot it has to do with their who they are inside and and what attracts people. And I think what makes that's what really a lot that makes her special. So and you know, I've met
a lot of artists here. I've met all the idols you can imagine and stuff, which has been amazing for me. You know, when I got here, it was still there was Johnny Cash was still here, and then Buck Owens and Merle Haggard and I got to meet those guys and and and Riba and Dolly, and I've toured with all of them, and there's something special about all those people. And I really believe that that zoe has that too.
I can tell.
I can tell, And I didn't even know you were coming here today. And like I said, I.
Saw writing after this, Yeah, I'm the ride.
I was like, is this an uber?
I got a little yeah, and then wait, I just got nominated for Blue Song of the Year.
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Yeah.
I remember seen you had a listening room a few weeks ago and just some of the songs you were singing and the stories you were telling.
And and my buddy who I work with here, actually he.
Was He's a little bit older than me, so he knew the song is a lot more than I did.
But he was just like, dude, this is awesome.
Yeah, I get that. My mom liked you. I'm at that stage now which is always like that's nice.
No, But I'm just interested to hear your perspective. And I know you just kind of said it. But how long have you guys known each other? And what how much growth have you seen in Zoe since she's been here and you guys have gotten together.
Well, I was one of the zoom writers. I think we probably wrote ten songs or so. It was the worst she was in Campbelltown, Scotland.
I was trying to write on zoom Man. It was just the worst on because I.
Live in the country, so it is all the delays and stuff. But anyway, we wrote a bunch of songs and I did somebody and another friend say you should check this this artist out there. We all kind of always talk around this, you know, like who do you think is could and stuff. So I started kind of, you know, do the Instagram thing saying what she was doing and stuff, and we started writing and then it was like, wow, this could be. This is good, you know, and I've seen a lot of growth and it was
fun to have her when she got over here. Everybody's like been, you know, wanting to write with her and stuff. That's really great, that's all. And so this he's seen this really growth. We've probably written I don't know a ton of songs here, but I recorded twenty or so and just the growth has been amazing. And I have a great team of musicians around that really care about
her and stuff. So you know, this town is an amazing amount of talent that is here, and you were all everybody comes here is like it was a big fish in the small town, you know, and then they come to Nashville you know, you got you know, when I got here, it was like I had to go up against Garth Brooks, Clinton Black. I remember going out promoting my single to radio. I had my little song called Don't Quit Me Now, and then they were just been have you got another friends in low place? Yeah,
so that was the competition. He's still you know, doing well, that guy. So but you know, but I'm still here, you know, and I can't imagine living any place. I see if you love music. The town is set up for music. A lot of people don't know that there's banks here that actually understand what songwriters go to and go through and artists go through to how they make their money. So loans can be given if you want to buy a house and stuff if you're you know.
So that's interesting that that infrastructure is here, which is you know, one of the things I was, it's really great when I met Don Cook and Tony Brown and these guys. When I got here and I look at what Don Cook's ball and he had like thirty one number ones and he was from Texas. You're just a kid, but came dream from Texas, and I thought, wow, you can actually do this, you know. So yeah, and when you get here it becomes real. It's probably real for you now, yeah, it is.
It's certainly it's a it's a huge wake up call coming here too, because you do you get kind of immersed in this town full of talent and you're like, oh, I need to step up my game like quickly, you know, And it is. It is a huge wake up call, but in a really beautiful way.
And how much of an influence has he'd been on you personally outside of just the music.
You know, I'm pushing you, and.
You know what, actually outside of music, You've been really like, like into me about my accent because I.
Know your accent is great.
It's like being an understand me because I say so many Australian like terms, I forget that I'm not being understood and so I'll say things like oh fair income really and you'd be like, wait, what can you say that in American? And so that that's actually that's been really helpful because I have had a lot of problems with with that side because we don't we have a lot of like terms in Australia.
But I'm I.
Mean, I think I think to what I was sorry to me. She first when I heard her saying, I thought, she's like got this Olivia Newton John energy too. I actually got to write with Olivia, and I just think you really have that kind of the kindness. I remember I played her stuff for a for a beca Bramlet.
She's from the great Bramlet family. Her dad mom or had the I had had a wonderful group back in the sixties and I played it for back on first Since she goes, is she from Australia, Like, what do you mean?
She goes?
She sounds nice. So there's this kindness to Australians and that I think America or you know, there's Keith, there's a whole Australian there are from last count somebody said it's like ninety business.
Yeah wow, really there's a connected.
And I love country music down there. They do. She's doing well, just not second number one.
It's on the way.
It's climbing up the chants of the war, which is exciting.
I think you left there to go.
You're having number ones in Australia.
I love it, I love it. I love it. Well. Thanks thanks a lot, James. I really appreciate the I'm gonna go get coffee and all right, see you, James. Okay, he's going.
Now, what was you talking about?
No, I do want to go back to listening room and just those venues in general, because it's just so interested and you know, everyone that comes here, they go to Broadway and these they see these bands or artists play all these cover songs, and which is great. You know, you got to make your living and you get your practice in and all that. But I think these listening room writing around writers around venues are neat for people.
If you're listening to this and you've never been here and your plan to coming here, I highly recommend them. Oh yeah, because you guys get to sing your own songs, which you probably don't get to do a lot of if you go play somewhere on Broadway. Oh and you get to talk about your songs. So I'm just interested to get into your brain a little bit what that means to you, you know.
I think the Bluebird Cafe is probably the best example for this, because it's been created and preserved as a place for songwriters to tell their story and their side
of the story. And that's it's always I found really interesting because for a long time I always thought that everybody wrote their own songs, and so I got a huge shock and all side of writing my songs like thinking this is how we do it, and then I'm like, oh my gosh, they don't all do that, like really, So I always find it even myself now, I still find it a huge treat to go into somewhere like the Bluebird or the Listening Room and here the real
stories of how these songs really came about, you know, and it's like every time a shock, and so I think those places are super special in treasured.
Of course, also love the Broadway stuff with you know, the big.
Honky tonks and the cover bands and that's just fun and loud and just awesome. But there is something really to be said for the whole the writer's scene, And as you said a minute ago, I think it's something if you're coming to Nashville for the first time, you have to experience that, especially if.
You're an artist or wanting to be an artist.
That's like you've got to go and see that because that's the core of how it all began.
You know.
In Australia. So you've had a number one, correct I did?
Yeah, So my song castles on the Sand just went to number one down there, which was awesome. Well I expect ahead, no, really unexpected because it's not your like It's that song from me was such a personal song, and it's not your like, your typical radio boffer.
Long, you know, it's not super deeper UPPI.
It's kind of more mellow and very I guess chill is the hip word to use to explain that. So it was a real shock when that did go to number one, and I was like super super honored and surprised by that.
And what is it like when you go back to Australia then?
Are you known there or here and there where you're at? Because I've I've noticed working in this industry just for a short not even two years, we've had, you know, artists from Canada come down and in Canada they're huge, right huge, Yeah, and then here they're not nearly as big. So it's just interesting to me to just get that dynamic.
I've been back, yeah, no, not yeah, it's been it's been so long.
It's been like nearly seven and a half years since I've been back. And I feel so bad because I have family and stuff down there. But it's like I was going to go back before COVID and then like everything shut down, and then it was like do we want to, you know, try and go back after it? But then Australia was still locked up for like the longest time, and so I just haven't had a chance to actually get back there yet.
So I don't know. I hope they like me. It'll be really horrible if it's like I'm not welcomed.
I mean, you got to get back there while you're hot over there, and then you got the number one.
I hope I still like me.
Well, as we close this out, Zoe, I want to talk about I see that we've talked about a little bit but didn't dive into it, your new single that just came out recently, which is called pick Me Up, Pick me Up exactly. I'm gonna play a little clip right here because I can't play music on here. I play five seconds. So're gonna get okay. So Here'szoe would pick me Up?
Lost? Hey, that was a good fight, So there we go.
All right, all right, did I pick a good five seconds?
That was the bit I would have picked.
All right, perfect, I'm glad you didn't get just the instrumental intro there.
So where did this guitar come from?
Well, you know, funny story, where did that song come from?
Though?
Where who'd you write it with? What's the answer?
Ration? I mean?
Pick me up?
So that was actually written with my buddy Phil Barton, who's another Australigan out here. He writes with Liz Rose and so many incredible writers, him and his girl Dana Perdue and James House with the co writers on that one with me and I walked into that right with no idea what was going to write about. And Dana and I just sitting down and we're just talking and
she's like, so you know what's going on? And we did that whole like the house things been kind of conversation and I said, you know, it's like, I don't know, so it feels like the world kind of just needs a bit of a pick me up, you know, and I kind of feel like I need a bit of a pick me up. She's like, Okay, there's our title. So we went from that and that was the whole thing. And next thing I know, we're just like laughing and goofing around and having the absolute best time writing the song.
And I swear every time we wrote a line of the song. Phil he's the funniest ever. I don't know if you know Phil, but he's just hilarious. And anytime we'd write a line of his song, he'd be like, Man, it's gonna be a hit, you know every line and I'm just dying and fits a laughter.
But it was the best song, right, and.
We were just all laughing and giggling by the end of the By the end of the session, we really love this song.
So I'm glad that it's out finally too so.
But yeah, it's like the plan at this point is every six weeks putting out a new song and releasing Larry videos.
And that to go with it, and playing as many shows and stuff as they can.
So I'm playing the Bluebird quite a bit, listening room quite a bit, and yeah, kind of just getting out there. I've got a residency, get out of town, and so slowly but surely just kind of like build new music and put it out and it is.
It's again, it's like you have to build content so it comes in.
The world is so fast paced this day and age, so everyone's ready for something new like yesterday, So you have to kind of constantly be ready for that and so that's that's kind of what I'm doing with music as well.
So yeah, I've learned that consistency is probably the number one thing, whether it's even because you almost feel like going back social media a little bit here, you're like, it's not that good, I shouldn't post it. But it's almost like you just got to put something out there. Yeah, which is weird. Yeah, but like you said, it's just content content content.
And I think too, the other thing, like is I've been you know, I struggled with that side of it too, is like he said good enough, should I put it out?
Or like, right, is this kind of let me look weird?
But I think on the other side of it too is that you know, everybody is human, and so everybody has the same kind of little flaws and quirks and weird things, and nobody's perfect, so I think everyone can relate when it's not perfect as well.
That's probably something that makes them.
You feel a bit more genuine to people too, is when you just kind of you're honest about it, like, hey, he's you know, he's what I look like with my hair up, and I look like crap, and I'm in the studio and I've been here all day, you know, and here I am, you know.
And I think people can relate to that in a lot of ways too.
Totally agree.
It makes you feel like you're human, You're actually human. You're like, wow, this girl's actually human.
Okay, I can relate. I'm not the only one. I'm not just sitting here in my mile of my pajama padammas.
Yeah.
And I just woke up and like she's She's like me, Okay, that's good.
That's good, exactly exactly all right.
I want to close out with this.
I always close out with this question I tried to is I just want you to think about some advice. If somebody's listening to this, whether it's in Australia or whether it's in the backyard here in Nashville, and they're young and they're getting their career started, and what is your advice for somebody thinking, whether it's not even a music, I want to go out and chase something, chase his dream. And what would you say to that person maybe double thinking it. I don't know if I'm going to do it.
I'm okay, you know, I think It's like anything, if you believe in something enough, you have to follow through it because you'll always be wondering what if you know so?
And that was the same for me too. It's like if it's a big thing to move across the world and decide to.
You know, do this crazy thing in the music industry, because you have no idea whether it's going to work, you have no idea what the outcome is going to be. You just have to keep going be like, believe, just believe in what you're doing and believe it's going to work. And stay curious is the other thing I would say too, because that keeps you as crazy as it is. I think it keeps you youthful. You know, it keeps you interested,
and that's a big part of it. It's staying interested in what you're doing because you don't want to lose that faith in what you're You know, you can get caught up in the turmoil of whatever it is. And this industry is no different. This industry has got a lot of politics and a lot of craziness involved in it, as you know. And so I think, you know, you have to stay curious and stay in and just believe in what you're doing, and know that you're special. No
matter what everybody else is doing. You've got something that nobody else has got. So don't forget that, believe in that, and make sure that you see that gets out.
Into the world because that's important. People need that.
Love that, love that well.
Zoe, thank you so much for coming in today. This has been a lot of fun. James sank you very much.
Welcome.
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