#94 - Cassadee Pope

been makeup on? I'm a seven point three? You know, you don't give yourself enough credit. You look wonderful, thank you, But that's why I'm People coming up in sweats and I'm a little underdressed, like I'm buried with here. I was just in my white tidies the whole time. Oh my gosh, that's great. Yeah. I bet he loved it. Yeah. So how are you you good? I'm good good. Thanks for having me. You brought cookies. I brought you guys, some cookies. Um, okay, all right, I didn't take them,

all right, I don't have to. I got a hood of this, I couldn't keep that live. Okay, Uh, this is gonna sound so bad. It was this lovely woman who was one of the chaperones for Christmas for kids on Tuesday night. She gave me a massive bag of cookies. Yes, I apologize, I'm not good at baking or cooking or

any of that, so but I couldn't come empty handed. Well, we were cookie less before you got here, and now we have cookies, and they were made by a wonderful woman named Linda with love, way better than anything I would have baked. So what have you been doing the holidays? Oh, my gosh, I've been. My family's all here. My mom's also lived here, so that's fun, and the rest of them here too. Well, my grandma's here, but the rest of them are coming next week, so it'll be it'll

be pretty crazy. Are you hosting the holidays? Yeah, I'm not cooking. My mom and sister the cooks of the family, and I take care of the booze and hosting and going around making sure all the glasses are full. And she's thirty one, she's older sister. Yeah. Yeah, and they live here, they do. Yeah, we're all from Florida. And I came here first about five years ago. My sister came here two years ago. My mom just came here

in May. Like the perfect timing too, because that's when all, like my whole life changed and they moved here from from West Palm Beach, Florida. Man, it's much warmer there, it is. My mom was just there. But although she said at night it was forty degrees, so you have nobody goes outside and night, that's true. That's like the lowest one onto the weather on the radio and it's like the lowest twenty two. But no one's awake for

the low Yeah, you're not going to go really, who cares? Yeah, you're not going to have a beer on the patio. Back in the day, we used to have to leave the water running so the pipes wouldn't freeze. You have to keep it dripping, And now you don't really have to do that as much because pipes are robots. Basically, for the Christmas for Kids thing, we take a bus, a tour bus from the school and bring them all

to Walmart and go shopping with them and stuff. And they had to turn the plumbing off on the bus, so all the kids had like coke and like pizza at this pizza party and they all were like, I have to pee. It was a tour bus. Yeah, it's pretty cool. All the bus companies are amazing and they give these buses for a night and they're just like they're they're so kind to do that. But yeah, the poor kids couldn't couldn't pay on the bus. That's okay. You don't want to pean on the bus anyway. Now

it's not great school bus, You're okay, that's true. What's the Christmas So it's basically a school in Hendersonville. They take all the kids there that are underprivileged and give them a chance to go to Walmart and they have a hundred and fifty dollar budget to be able to go and shop. And um, a bunch of people get involved, a bunch of artists, a bunch of just you know,

volunteers that come and um. The first year I went, I did a signing which they do every year as well, where people pay to come on the tour bus the night before and do signing with all a bunch artists. Hunter has done it and Alabama's done it. Um, And that year they were like, yeah, and you can also go shopping with the kids. And I was like, I want to do that. That sounds fun and so I did it last year, Um and it was. It was

so it was sweet. It's sad. You know, the kids are like, you're afraid to be like do you want to get presents for your parents? And you just don't know what they're gonna say, and um, you know, last year, the dad actually showed up and they're not supposed to show up at Walmart and it was this whole thing and they're really really good with security making sure the kids are okay, but um, yeah, that was a weird thing.

And this year the boy was like, yeah, I'll get my mom a necklace, but my dad's not really round, and so it was it's just sad. But you you gotta like you just have to treat them like nothing's wrong. This is fun. We're gonna have fun, and you kind of take them away from their crap at home. You know, there no not at the No you are you the singer we're supposed to be hanging out with. I was like, no, I'm just somebody person. Kids. How old? How old are

the kids? They were from like seven to twelve, so they're not Cassidy poeans No, No, they definitely don't listen. They probably don't. I don't think they listen to country music. They were trying to pull up like crazy stuff on my phone and I was like, yeah, we're not doing that, like really inappropriate rap songs like Linda's getting upset. Let's put that away. That's fine. I've been to places before where I'm supposed to be the celebrity quote I've a

finger quote where nobody has any idea. Yeah, I mean, honestly, that kind of makes it feel like, um, you're actually you're doing it for the right reasons. Like I mean, I looked pretty similar to how I look now, like crap with gold tennis shoes rolled up, slightly caprish blue jeans, tan, orangeist orangish. Yeah, it's like, yeah, like one, I thank you.

It's like a baggy, baggy outfit day wonderful. I haven't seen you for a bit, I guess I've we've talked a few times, but I haven't seen you like in professional world in a bit. Yeah, it kind of just took the year to step away for a minute. Um had to go through some transitions on all fronts music, personal, everything, and it was. It was kind of amazing and terrible

at the same time. But like, I loved stepping back and you know, all my friends had such a big year and I got to enjoy it and watch and not be you know, consumed with my stuff. I could actually like root for them in a way where it was just like I wasn't in the back of my head thinking, Okay, what are we What am I doing next? What am I doing next? It was it was kind of nice, but I'm not gonna lie. It's it was

the hardest year of my life. So musically, you're not with your record label anymore, which was Big Machine Group, and that's who you were I signed to after The Voice. So how does that work? Because you you win The Voice season season three? Yeah, five years ago. Wow, So that was about the time when I came to town too. I guess we kind of came to town around the same time. Weird. Yeah, I think you just beat me

because I haven't been here five years yet. No way, I feel like, wow, just because I dominate, doesn't may not have been here that is amazing now, but I think you beat me because you would have had I came. I came I think wasting what was your first song, wasting all these two Yeah, I think that was already happening whenever I got here. And so, yeah, this was a thing. So when you finish that show, they go, Okay, you're going You're going to Nashville. Well I wanted to.

I was like, I want to do country. I sang country as a kid. I did the rock thing and I loved it. Um, but when when I went on the Voice, I started singing like all the songs that I saying as a kid. I sang cry as a kid. That was my finale song, and um, I didn't sing over You as a kid, but like I wanted, I wanted to do that, Like Blake didn't want, he didn't care. He was like, do you? And then, um, it felt

so good. And I was still listening to country, and I thought I could totally do a country thing where I can still incorporate my pop and rock influences. So I really wanted to come to Nashville. I didn't feel I lived in l A for a few years. Um, before the Voice, I didn't feel super embraced there, didn't really feel like a fit in, and um, so I came here and and um yeah, basically it took me a minute. Took me a minute to get accepted. And I was going back and forth from l A to Nashville.

And that's like it's funny, you know, no matter how much you tell people no, no, like I'm in it like this, this is it. I'm not trying to do a crossover thing. I love country music. They're like, uh huh, yeah, okay, until you move here full time. It's like they don't really like they don't really embrace you that much. And I got lucky. I had some great people behind me, and you know, I got signed a big machine label

group and that was awesome. But was that part of the deal of the Voice, like if you want the voice or like I know, on Idol. I friends have been on Idol and now friends have been on the Voice. But now the Voice they don't put out people that people care about it anymore. It's more about the TV show. I mean, it's two seasons a year. It doesn't give

people enough time to really digest artists. And like, I have no idea who's won the last I don't know who's want any seasons except for you and Daniel, only because I know you I don't. I've never actually watched the voice. Yeah, I literally can't anymore. Yeah, I wish I knew more questions because I don't want I don't well okay, so yeah it's Universal, okay, and I was the first country artist to win. So I was like, Okay, I don't want to be signed Universal in New York.

I want to or l A. I want, I need to be in Nashville. So let's figure this out. And thankfully I I got also a management deal with Irving A's off from that show and who you know manages I know, you know, he's a big probably the biggest manager in the history of managers. Yeah probably did ye still right now? Huge John Mayor? Yeah, and so he um, he actually left the management company I was supposed to

get signed to, but he took me with him. I got so lucky, and he was like, yeah, we'll just renegotiate the deal and you'll get You'll just go to Nashville, that's what you want. So it was like not even really the kosher way of doing things for when you come off that show, but he figured it out and he alongside my my day to day Tina Kennedy, and um, they were just so great with that. But I I

inherited this deal. It was awesome at first, and it's hard because usually when you're with the label, they get to know you, they have time to really sit with you and develop you. And UM, I didn't have that time. And it was like, why wouldn't we just put something out as soon as we can and strike while the iron taught and you know, while people are paying attention. And so we did, and we at least rereleased Frame

by Frame, which was I still love that album. I'm proud of it, but you can definitely hear there's a little confusion. There's like some identity crisis. She was like, man, they just it was like shows over. Okay, let's go pick songs. The have a day, pick some songs and go sing them and get them out of immediately. Yeah. Yeah, And I loved it. I got to come here and write and I wrote half the album and and some songs I actually put on there that I wrote years ago.

So it was like it was fun and I just loved it, but it wasn't. Um, and I noticed it now now that I like going through a break up this year and just going through a lot of stuff. This year, I was writing about things from the past, and there's only so much you can do with that, Like, there's only so so you can only go so deep with that, and I did. I made it happen. But writing in it in the pain, in the struggle is

so much crazier. I mean you, I've been writings so much more now, yes, yeah, more than I've ever done in my life. And it's like I'm really excited about it. But back then it was like I'm going to think about my ex from when I was eighteen, who like who hooked up with my friend two days after we broke up, Like I was, look, the worst thing I could think of, and my parents divorced. That wasn't fun. But um yeah, it just it just is a different game.

So like listening back to the record, I love it, but I'm just like I get why, you know, only went so far, so kind of smash that to Now when did your record deal? When did that end? Was like it was in May actually this year? Yeah, so what happened there? Um, it just we just stopped being on the same page and it wasn't what does that mean? So I would send in songs or they would send me songs and I'm I'm the kind of artist. If I hear a song that I didn't write but I

wish I did, I'll cut it. I love I just love good songs. But they weren't sending me stuff that I liked and that was me and they didn't really like anything I was writing, so it was like, what are we really doing here? And our last ditch effort was the Summer EP and I loved that EP, but there were compromises their song wise, and I didn't get

to do fully what I wanted. I did get to go with Corey Crowder, which was great, and I could just cut my newest project with him, but um yeah, just it just stopped feeling right and and stopped being inspirational, and it just and it and it was there was no bad blood or anything. It just was like, let's just call it like it is. And my managers went to Scott Bouschetta and just were like, hey, she's she's not happy, you're not happy. Let's just call it a day.

It wasn't, you know, super clean like they were, you know, back and forth negotiations or whatnot. But again, irving more records, I did for sure, and I don't anymore. You don't anymore? Do you know them anything? Because like anything? Yeah, just like a little point thing. But it's I'm really lucky with what I think. There was just a respect level there between Scott and Irving, and I didn't rock the boat in any way. I wasn't mean or weird about it.

I was just like, hey, dude, this isn't working. I think you're cool, but like, can I just move on now? So then, so what do you the next day? You don't have a record here? What's the difference? Well? Nothing? At first. I was like, I felt like there was a kind of a weightlifted and it's kind of a jolt. It's like okay, so what now? Um? But pretty much right away I just went in and cut songs that

I had been writing with Corey Um. I hired like a digital creative team that I just outsourced myself, and all this stuff costs money and your labels not paying for it. Now, So did you make some good money in the five years? Yeah? Okay, yeah, I got lucky. C I A are amazing, my lucky. If if you're actually good and you're working, yeah, you're right. It's not lucky. People are like, I got so lucky, but did you

when you put in all those hours? Well, look, I think there's a certain level of luck, Like there's timing and people that come into your life at very interesting time. So I think I don't believe in luck. You're talking to the wrong guy. But here's the synergy. But it's okay that you do so. So you had some money saved up? I did. Yeah. My my business managers my mom's and she's amazing. You probably got good money saved up. Watching you back like crazy, Well I'm the one who's like, hey, mom,

do you think I could go shopping today? Like? Am I good? She's like, yeah, you don't have to ask me every time you want to go buy like a good pair of shoes. Like you're good. But I'm just you know, I didn't grow up with a lot of money, and like my parents divorced really put my mom in a tough position. And business managed for anybody else, just you. She does she does a bunch of like YouTube. Yeah, she's doing well. She does YouTube. Kids, she wow, like

band Lydia? Do you know Lydia? I don't know? Okay, she she does a few bands like it's kind of a crazy story. Yeah, how did she get into that? Is that like her degree? Yeah? She she's a c p A. She did. She does the books for a condominium in West Palm Beach, Florida, which she still goes to every month she has to oversee. But I wasn't. I had a big business manager when I was in my band, Hey Monday, and he kind of ran us into the ground. And my mom was like, I do

this for a living. I'll help you out for a little bit. And that was probably ten years ago, and she's been doing it ever since, and through me and through my manager at the time when I was in Hey Monday. He knows she's amazing and he moved here. Rohan Coley, who's at Warner Now. I don't know anybody, Okay, everybody I know no one. I think everybody knows you, but you know nobody. No, it's not. Everybody knows me very one side of the only time I get to

know people is when they come and do this. Otherwise, I don't go out every weekend. I'm on the road. Yeah, I got to bed at eight o'clock. What do you want from me? I got nothing. It's okay, nothing, Hey, it's okay, I'm just you know, trying to anyway. Uh yeah, we're got out and she's she's killing it. But so now your mom's business managing and lots of artists. That's pretty freaking cool. Yeah, and she's probably a plus though. You're number one on the list to make sure she's

checking that. And you saved a bunch of money. Yeah, I got I've got endorsements. CIA was great, and teeth endorsement, yes, teeth dentures, it was something. Yeah. Oh man, I bet that paid you a ton of money. I have friends that have done commercials and they weren't even doing endorsements like celebrity endorsements, but they would do national spots and

they would get like I think one of them. Yeah, it's I mean those corporations, they have sold so much money and if they if you can move the needle in any way, they're stoked. And it's great. Even when I do stand up for corporate gigs and the money is unrealistic. Yeah, you want to do corporate gigs because it's not like a real thing to them. Yeah, totally. Well my so, my, my, the guy who does my sound, you know, I didn't have a tour this year, so

he had to just kind of make money wherever. And he does these corporate gigs where he literally presses mute and un mute and he gets paid so much more than what I compare him, and I'm just like, you're not even doing anything. And he gets to go to like all these awesome places for a week straight and he's literally there for like an hour pressing mute mute. There are comedians that I know, There aren't even the A tier comedians that will get thirty grand a night. Yeah,

they'll take care of you. Fly you in fly I mean, and you just go and you talk in front of a bunch of people that work at Sam's Club. Sam's Club. I've totally done that gig. I did Dollar General like three months ago, and it's all people that work at all the General are brought in and their bosses and it's five people people and you up on stage. You tell your jokes and they're like cool, here's a check, and you're like thank you, but listen, I think I

earned the spot. And if they're going to pay somebody I'm that much, I'm happy to take it. Be the person they pay. Absolutely and you saved your money. Yeah, so I'm not like I'm not a big spender. I bought a house this year. That was like a big investment for me. But the investment where pretty pretty boyfriend breakup or post. Okay, that's cool. Then at least I have that drama. Oh yeah, no, I right away I was like, I gotta find a house. I want my dog to have a yard. I want to Yeah. I

was living downtown. Yeah, yeah, I was. Yeah, I was downtown and it was fun. It was great, I could walk places. But once that ended, I was like, I think I'm ready for like a massive change. And yeah, I got a house. Pays for a house cash. No, how much he really had? How much he saved up? I mean Nicholson saved up? No, not that much. You finish so you're out of the deal, which means you have to spend your own money, and you spend your

own money differently than when it's somebody else's money. I've learned from having build my own ventures. Sure, so now you got to spend your own money and make music. Yeah, and I got I mean, Corey is he's a massive champion of mine, Like he is just the best and he knows um he's doing. He's cutting me a deal and it's it's still expensive because he's Corey. I mean, I'm not going to ask him to do it for free, and like I can pay him, but he definitely cut

me a better deal. When you're an independent artist, you tend to get better deals on stuff when when like the studio knows you don't have a label fronting it and the mixer masters and all that, like it's cheaper. So like when Walker Hayes produced some stuff for me, some of some raging idiot stuff, I was just like, hey, dude, I'll pay a little bit, but how about you own some of it so I can have some points on that because it was just easier and I knew we'd

sell a good amount of singles. And he was like, yeah, cool, cool, cool. So that's what we is, That what you guys are doing. So you just pay him straight up paying him. I need to talk to him, he needs to work about a deal. If he's taking less money, he needs to get some of his action. Well yeah, I mean my thing is so I want to release it independently and if a label gets involved eventually I will make sure he's taken care of, and I'm going to keep using him.

So release it independently, meaning you're going to I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna put it out. I'm gonna put it out on iTunes and all of that, and um, you know, lean on my fans. I saw an instan story where you were like listening to the music. Did you do that? Fans know I've been working on it. They know that it's coming. I just don't have a release date yet, and I know for sure it's going to be. It's

gonna be probably in February. Oh that's pretty quick. Yeah, yeah, because I just and it's fun, like I have my own timeline. That's another thing, you know, with with the label and stuff, you don't you know, I have to worry about that. I have some of the new stuff here. This is one of Cassidy's new songs. There you go, agize. She was looking at me like what do you have? How do you have it? Yeah? Let me talk about

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music in February? Are you done with it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'm waiting for somebody to possibly sing on it. And I don't want to say who because I don't know if he's going to do it. Oh me the two spectrums, yes, the best and the absolute worst. So okay, so you're almost done, then I'm almost done and uh yeah, and I've got out my publishing. I'm you got out of

your publishing. My publishing people were paying you to write, yes, essentially, Yeah, I I was on like an artist publishing deal, which you don't really have to meet a quota or anything. It's just basically like they're in charge of getting you sings or getting you pitching new songs for for you to get and record or whatever. You know. There there's definitely there's an advance at the first when you first saw line, but it just again, it just kind of

ran its course. And then um I also I like, oh my managers, which was tough because it's like a full purge. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you kind of need to. If you're gonna go se you almost have to go a hundred. Yeah. The only person I kept was Darren Murphayette, CIA. Because I was like, you've been you know, consistent, You're

my rock here. You're like and and and you know, it's it's easy when you're not doing well or you're not you don't have anything going on for somebody to be like, Okay, I'm gonna go over here now and I'll let you figure it out on your own. But like he never did that. He was always really and not that everybody else did, but he just he was just amazing. He kept me busy, he kept me on the road, he kept making me money. And and that's

like he's there's no, it's not broke. So c A, by the way, as an agency, fullest closure with c A is my agency to good people. They're all the same. I mean, I mean really like I I have went to see A because I know because I'll liked my specific agent. By the way, I never signed with c A in Nashville. I signed with CE in New York for television, and it was like, Hey, your band selling tickets for like five people and night in theaters, why

don't you get a agent? Like all right, And so I went and talk to people and then I just like the people to see A better. I didn't. I don't know the difference. The difference, I'm not. I guess I don't really either, but I love it. I love CIA, so it's like I do too because because I like the people that I work with directly exactly. So that's an agency. Do you have to give of everything or do you have a better rate? Why why do you say it like that? I don't know. I don't know

if like it's weird? Is that weird? To disclose? Oh? I had a podcasts talking about my money last time where I was I was like, listen, let me tell you because I said I was talking about my money. So, first of all, it's on my radio. Contract is different because I have a radio agent which I fired, but he gets seven percent. But in radio normal is like but as you grow you can actually negotiate down. And I'm in a pretty solid spot to go. I'm not you're not taking that much money out of my paycheck.

So I have to pay him seven percent. But then all the stand up comedy, all the it goes like this. It goes managers takes did your manag you have a manager right now? Did? Okay? Then my agent takes ten a business manager depending on yours is your mom. I don't know what you pay your mom, but mine takes four and so they're from anything. And again, yeah, I'm complaining a little bit, but these are necessities. I need these people to help me book shows, to manage have

books and music and radio shows and people. And I don't even know. I don't even live that money. I know nothing about money. So I have a business manager make sure abody gets paid and so. But before I even get paid, forty cents of a dollar is gone. Yea. And so I'm not complaining about the job that I do. It just kind of sucks that you have to pay people. I wish I could just get all the money. I pay no taxes too. By the way, but I did

a whole world. I did a whole show on here about that, like this is the independent contractor world of artistry and how it works and all the odd people we have to pay. The people just wouldn't know about it. Wasn't a woe was me, Like this is what happens when you're an artist. You have a manager, you have agent, you have a business manager. I just did a photo shoot and it cost me, Like, yeah, dude, it's so funny when I'm like in coach and people recognize me

and they're like where she in? First? People are like, what don't you have a private chat? I'm like what on TV? I'm like, who do you think I am? Taylor Swift? But well she has her own a couple of those things. So okay, so here you are. I forgot. Yeah, you can disclose it ever I listen, you know, or you can not. Just call it everyone. I don't care. Okay, So you're gonna have new music out. I'll talk about your boyfriend for a second. I met him a couple

of times. Yeah, because I didn't know him, I guess I really didn't know you that well. No, no, I don't know why. No, because I don't know any I'm telling you, I don't know anybody like get I don't think so just because I don't have the schedule. My life is not conducive to having friendships, so I don't have them. I'm gonna bite my tongue on that one. You can say what you want. Mike is my only friend?

Is about because we traveled together in the last six days, Cassie, let me tell you, I've been in New York, l a, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nashville. It's five cities in six days. It's pretty crazy. That's why how many friends? Because I'm a dick, I don't. I don't know. I pleaded the fifth on that one. I don't think I've had very good experiences with you, so I'm I guess I just want to that way, maybe I'll keep you at arms length, so I don't like catch the no, I don't. You don't get a

douche fibe. I was out with Jillian because Jillian Jaquelin has been on the road with me for the past three months. It's awesome, right, that's that. With Jillian, I may have told this story. I don't know, i'd see. The thing is, I don't know stories I tell on and off the air because they're all do that too though. That's just human stuff. Well, so I was with Jillian and she was she did you know fourteen shows with us?

I think raging idiot shows. So we're playing on these theaters and she was like, finally get finally get you. What do you mean? She goes, you just go a to be like, you know whatever, you just leave it because we're in a room and this guy would not stop talking, and he was out of control. So I just left and she was in there still, and she was in there. Just abandoned her, and so I just got en left because he was kind of out of control, right, And then so I left and she was like, man,

I admire how you can. I said, here's the stages of me. First of all, people go, well, that was kind of rude, and then then after about the third time to go, well, he's kind of weird. And then after a while they go, that's just Bobby, that's just there's nothing mean about it. He's just kind of yeah, yeah, but no douche vibe because I don't think I'm cool. I think right, that's when you're you're think you're cooler

than you are, so you overcompensate. Dude, like, hey, look at cool, look at look at my selfie in the mirror, look at my reclainers and my cool room when I have my podcast. Okay, I don't like that impression. I'm not very good impression for me. That was not good. Okay, So I met your ex boyfriend a couple of times. Seemed like a nice fellow, but you got the thing was you guys were together forever eight years, and that was the whole story. It was like, oh, yeah, they've

been together forever. Yeah, we got engaged in February this year. Yeah, you got engaged in split that that's a pretty quick engagement. Yeah. I know. So when he was in a band, Huh wasn't he in like different different alle Yeah, drummer. Yeah, they're so good, so good. I'm still a big fan. They're they're killing it. I wouldn't be a big fan if I broke up with somebody. I'm just kidding. I'm a huge fan. Is let me hear this. Lendsay and Cassidy are like friend friends. Yeah, we are like, I

don't have time for friends. I was like girl friends. No, well no that that and I had time for a girlfriend too. Yeah that's just that's that's a whole different thing. Yeah. I mean I end up talking about that openly, super openly, the whole thing. But I will say that we saw you.

We were at dinner, uh two weeks ago, and it was me Amy and the girl at styles Amy and I both and so it was our stylist and so we go out, we're having dinner and I say, hey, there's Cassidy and I see you because you're covered in tattoos, like your arms, and I was like, oh, there's because the rshia was packed, but I see your arm tattoos. I'm like, oh, there's Cassidy. I was gonna go up and say. I walked up in and Len sitting right next to you. A name is Linday Till I got

right up to you. Non, I was like, oh my god, that's oh yeah, we didn't see until you walked on up and I was like hey, and then Amy walks up and starts talking and then is it awkward? I was like, no, what's awkward? It was great. Honestly, everybody handled themselves. There was nothing to handle. Look, you guys dated, We still talk. She was over here yesterday evening dropping off presents. I love her. Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah, there's

a zero percent. We were texting today about something because she's in Chicago. Like, there is zero weirdness. You don't have to cough and be like maybe at some point there will be. But we're good. We're good good. I'm glad. We've never been better. I mean, yeah, would be better, but yeah, you know what I mean. Here we go to move on. Okay, this is I want to hear that yours. That's all. Like I torture people abou playing their ex's music. Honestly, I haven't listened to this in

a very long time. So he's a drummer. He's don a terrible job so far drumming, and I heard nothing. I heard no drums. I'm not feeling his drumming yet. I'm singing to the sky just right. I mean, I've heard better drumming. I'm gonna tell you he's a real good drummer. I don't hear this song. He's not showcasing his ability. Year started. It's certainly more alternative this this album, but they went a little bit more mainstream alternative. What

is that new? That's new? Yeah? So okay, So you're dating this dude for eight years other than my dog, I got nothing going on for eight years, Like I don't. I don't have a family member that I've been I've known for climbin calls too, for eight years. Like that's a that's a long time. It really is. It really is. And you know, there's a lot of when you're with somebody that for that long, there's a lot of transitions,

a lot of change. A lot of yeah, yeah, like in the world like you had we had a dog, have a dog that's mine now, Cubby, I don't have a pop filter. So this is very intense. You guys break it off after eight years? Huh? And it nobody did anything wrong. It was just like really, nobody anything wrong. No, like and this is the thing, we both agreed we wouldn't get crazy with details and like tell everybody or like air out the dirty laundry, because there really isn't

any It's just we just it just wasn't anymore. It just it was. And then it wasn't playing shrink here. If you got engaged in February and unengaged in May, then it must have been a realization set in because that's a pretty big part of like what makes you am I really committed to because you have to really decide. Then, yeah, it makes you, It makes you think about it. You know, it's it's it's an idea until it became reality and you start talking about weddings. Why did by the way

eight years? You know, actually a lot of it was me. I was like, I want to be in a good place in my career. I want to feel content. And then when I never ever ever felt content. I was like, Okay, well, we don't have to wait anymore. This is never gonna be the music career is never going to be like in a place where I can just because if that, if that's you, then like I feel like, creatively, you'll never find a spot. You won't find a spot. And

now I don't think you should. I think you should be happy and grateful and have gratitude, but like you should always want to do better and accomplish more. But anyway, once I was like, yeah, that's not gonna happen. Did you do the thing where? Because I don't know because you obviously didn't stay in that house. We're just living in a house together, apartment. Okay, so what did you do the thing where? Did you both leave the apartment?

So he had to leave for a while and you got out your stuff and left, well he was he like left for tour really quickly after, and so I had time. Yeah, I had a transitional period, and my mom had She literally was like I was going through the breakup of the getting out of my deal, getting out of my management company, all this stuff, and she was like she was like, is it bad like this me moving here? What is causing all of this? I was like, no, you moved here because I needed you.

You don't believe in this stuff? Um yeah, I mean basically yeah, like her moving here during all of that, and I wasn't like, oh good, you're here, I'm going to do all this. It literally was simultaneous, and I was like, no, you're here because there's something like the universe was like you're going to need your mom here for you. So it was thank god she was here.

But so all that happened, you go to therapist. Oh yeah, okay, I got to say, because I would have had I would have been one every day I went with all of that, and that's a lot because I go once a week. Yeah, me too, and that's once a week is a good amount. It's good. Yeah. Now, like when I go once a week, I'm like, oh my gosh, I have so much to tell you and I'm in an awesome place and if I feel great, then I

was just like crying every day. I was like, you know, a mass and I needed to go two days a week. And I always was like afraid of therapy because there's a lot from my childhood that sucked and like my parents divorce was pretty smultuous, and like, do you think that kept Eve wanted to get married though? No, I wasn't afraid of getting married. I really wasn't. I just I wasn't. Yeah, it just wasn't the right person. And yeah, I mean I'm not afraid of marriage. I think it's great.

I love it. I think it's beautiful. I have friends that are married that are super happy. And the thing is is it's work, like you definitely, it shouldn't be like you wake up every morning you're like, oh, I have to make it work with this person, but there will be tough times and you have to want to work. And I we weren't in a place where we were willing to do that. So it's just kind of you know, wonder. I just wonder about that about your mom and your

dad too, because I don't know. I never saw a successful relationship, So I never knew my real dad ever, right, I think I know your story, which she was Addeica whole life, But I never saw really a happy relationship ever. I never saw anything staid together. And she was married to biological fathers. I was four or five, and she had boyfriends on and off and depending where we live. We moved around a lot. Yeah, when you have money,

you just live where yourn live. And so she had different boyfriends and we've sent up moving with them my step dad and they ended up getting divorced. So I never saw a relationship work. And I see people whose relationships work, but it's so ingrained in me that relationships don't work well and that and that's something like, that's good that you're going to therapy, because that's something that

that sucks, like you shouldn't. That shouldn't be a thing, Like I know, it's hard when you've gone through all those experiences like that. I had an epiphany this year with my therapist where I was like, why have I never been single? From fifteen? I've had boyfriends. I've just one boyfriend after the other. And now that I don't, I'm like lonely and I want somebody and I don't

know what to do. And she's like, because like, you know, I've I've always had a difficult relationship with my dad and he would come in and out of my life

and it's still not great. And and she's like, it's because like you didn't really have a male figure in your life that was dependable, and so you're trying to find that in these guys that you're with and you have to, like, you have to find that like inner peace and happiness to like be okay with being alone, and like, finally I found it, but it took it took like six months. That's not any time you're having to like six months, I felt like forever. Because let

me tell you, there's nothing you did. You go out and you should date a hundred people. Yeah, I've been You should like you really should. You should go out and you shouldn't get any relationship. I'm gonna give you a little advice. I'm a little older than you, but not so much older than you that it doesn't matter. I probably live, I'm probably less mature than you. I don't know about that. So this is because I have always been single. I'm the opposite, and then rarely do

I get a girlfriend like Lindy and I dated. I mean, I feel like four girlfriends in my life, my whole life, and so I kind of the same reason. But the right sure, you just need to go in to day. You need to spend about a year just dating different. Here we go again. You're gonna go try to find something.

Just this is what happened. I was like, I don't even want to date anybody for a while, and so I just like sat in my sadness and loneliness for for a while, and then I was like, okay, um, I need to do everybody my point, not not don't date anybody. I've been Yeah, I've liked dated, I've been going on dates and all that, but I just want those in particular a little comic. Okay, just be careful, I am, and all to do the Nashville the players. Oh,

don't say that. All I was with one that was here and he's not a player eight years though before he was. That's true, but I'm just saying I don't think that's That's a blanket statement. You do, yeah, but blanket statements exists for reasons because blankets are warm and comfortable and they make sense at times. So you do you. I'll keep you up the that you care, but I do know I care. I'll send you a message. It's the story. Yeah, yeah, that was as one was funny.

Not often, but sometimes, like I say, you want where you want through Christmas? Why did I went to the Dancing Lights? Which oh this is one was she tagged me because my voice is on the instant they do that Jellystone lights and I'm a record of the thing four years ago and it's like, hey, it's Bobby Bones and say me. She's like, hey, here are you on the radio on my radio and the light And I'm like,

I've never been paid for that? Why this It is not even a charity if it's anything like, I don't care, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure either. I'm not sucks to get in there. Yeah, And she was like, who do I need to beat up? And I was like Santa, And okay, wait we get sidetracked here. So first of all, no no relationships. You can get whoever you want. Okay. Second of all, this quick stop music for five years, come back of five years. No more music,

Oh hell no, that is not possible for me. Number three, no more deodorants cutting all the things off you. We're just trying to get me to be that's what you need to be kicked more, alright, and just go and live your life on an island and and just not come back. I really like my nest thermostat I'm good. I'm gonna there's nestlap one too. It tooked up not on my phone. Yeah, it's so I can literally hit an app. It's so great. And do you have on your phone? Yes, I have the cameras. Yeah, me too.

I just like to feel I left your parking spot up front to thank you. I don't always do that sometimes sometimes guys get upset with me. They drive big trucks and they can't fit. I still have my little Kia from the voice you do my baby well, so I left her and just call her in l A. When I was here for like a year basically, and and I didn't put any mileage on it. And then I brought her here and it's like since two thousand thirteen, it's only like fifteen thousand miles. But you've been on TV.

I thought you'd have like Bentley. I know, right, it's wrong with me, isn't it is? You? People feel like if you've been on the radio, I had a song on the radio or a song on TV, al right, that you're rich. Yeah like that. People assume that you're automatically rich. But people don't understand that, Like you were saying earlier, and I'm glad you did an episode about

people you have to pay because it's crazy. It's like there's so many people that make it happen, so when it happens, it's like you kind of the last person to get paid. Yeah, that's a good that's a good point. You are the last person to get paid. And I was talking about how artists I know, um that do like first of three slots, you know, on tours, they will break even or lose money. Yeah, or maybe make a little bit because people even pay because they have

to pay band that pay all the travel. And thinking about artists who you got to pay for everything, all travel, Like when I go out and do stand up, I have to pay for travel for merch Um, I take out an extra opener with me tour manager, and they got to pay them hotel rooms. That's crazy. And we're only complaining because we can. Like it's a great complaint to have. I mean, we're luck we get to do We're not lucky. Sorry you don't like that word. I don't listen. If you want to use it, that's okay,

undersend the context of it. Yeah, you mean we're fortunate to do what we love. We are I don't really Here's what I don't believe in love. I believe luck is just putting yourself in a spot. And if you put yourself in the right spot, eventually something is going to happen. No, you're right, you have to work for it. Yeah. And if you get the first time you buy at took you one of the first time and you're like, well, you're on the right spot to buy the lot. You

went to the store. You went to the store. And if you're unlucky, well you probably walking on the sidewalk when the piano fell out, Like you need to look up when you say, like, look out before you start walking on the sidewalk walking by buildings. That's true. Okay, so you're starting your life over basically. Yeah. And I read this book You Are a Badass by Jensen Saro, and the therapy therapy was amazing, it was great. I

got to get it all out. But this book is like what set me over the edge to like my blissful like life is awesome, I feel great, like that book is. It's it's all I mean, it's all about self esteem. Like if you love yourself when you're you're like you feel worthy, then everybody's going to feel that energy. And you're gonna as soon as I felt that way, Um, everybody like wanted to hear the music. People were hearing about the music and like labels and stuff. We're like

when can we hear when can we hear it? And I was just like, I don't know. I mean I'm not. I mean you can hear it, but I'm not. I don't want to really sign with anybody right now. And like you know, started going on dates and my friends all are like, yeah, there's definitely something happening with you. It's like palpable, like your confidence and whatever it is. And like it just felt like there was like a

massive shift after I read that book. So anytime I can like bring it up, I do, because even if you don't feel like you need it, it's just a great read. It's awesome, you know book I like Green Eggs and him. You know what book that was really fantastic is The Places You'll Go. It's still the best. I can read that book and be inspired. Still it kind of makes me sad, Like it makes me sad.

It's nostalgic and like a really sad and then you it's nostalgic because you didn't go a lot of those places that you thought, you what is a kid and you're like, well, Walt, Walt. When I was strain, that's a good one. And I bought What's Funny as my main producer on my radio show. Her name is Morgan when she graduated college, because she was an intern for me. Then she was a phone screener. Then I wanted to keep around, so I hires my assistant and then I put her on the so she worked her way up.

But when she graduated college, I bought her that book The Place that You'll Go and wrote her a whole note on I was like, hey, nobody works harder than you wherever you want to go. And now she's running the show crazy, But that book, that's still a cool book. And what's your book called again? You are a Badass? Is it for girls? That's twelve? Yeah, it's it's a big, like yellow it's super super like poppy book. You can see it from mile away. But it's awesome. I should

give you bare bones. Oh dude, I have it. I just haven't read it yet, Okay, I'm just being honest. Yeah, Well let me what do you mean you have it? Did you get it for free? Did you buy it with your money. Oh well, that's cool. They appreciate that. Let me know, when you read it would change your life. I'm excited change your life. Yeah. I mean, like, I see all of the reviews and they're they're all ravings. Yeah,

but let me tell you about those reviews. They're a little bit screwed up because I got in there one day. My my listeners are the best because I'm honest with them. They don't always they don't always enjoy me, but I'm honest with them. And so there's a respect between my listeners and myself to where even if you don't like what I'm saying, I'm at least telling you my truth, right even and we can disagree, and that's fine most

of them. And I say, hey, so because of that respect, and say, hey, give me a solid go over to Amazon and just give it five stars, everybody, even if you had like a thousand review Yes, now, to be fair, it was the New York Times best seller for four weeks. Now, I can't fake that part of it. But if you look at Amazon and don't by the way, if you're listening right now, go give it five stars. And I'm almost I'm always on my second one right now, So I'm so that comes out in June. Yeah, all right,

I gotta read that first one first. You don't have to. No, it's not because I don't have anything else. I don't want to write the first anything. Like, I was exhausted. It's like a watch rag when you squeeze it, and a wahrag. How country dis It's it's like like you get a piece of cloth wet and you squeeze it when you ring it out, yes, and then it's like there's no more water in it. Yeah, that's what I felt like when I finished that book. You got to

dip the towel and some more water. Well, I did, and I did a ted talk and that's what I did the second book on on how to Fail and why failing is great, yes, and how it actually helps you succeed. Oh my gosh, so crazy you're saying that. Literally, on my drive here, I saw the sun setting on it sound like a hippie right now, it's still since it on the like the Nashville skyline, and I just looked at it and I had this overwhelming feeling of gratitude for all of like the bad things that I've

been through this year. I was like, thank you. That's how you learn. You have to And so that's what the book is. It's oh man, I'm so excited for that. And I have people that have sent I have friends, um, like do you know Dean Sandrews's football player? So I reached out to Dion and like the governor of Arkansas, and people are like, hey, what, I don't care about their success, Like what's your worst story? Right? When were

you were your lowest? Because when people see all the time, is everybody up on their high because that's what that's where everybody's looking up. Yeah, they want that hope. And so my story is and the book that I'm writing is you have to go through five hundred of those bad things to learn have resilience and even the it is that you see failed miserably so many times. So anyway,

that's that's what the books about. I love that that would be the second But you can't read it until the second book unlocks after you read the first one, right, because there's a combination hidden in the first book that you can't even open the second book until it's until you find the combination. Yeah, yeah, it's a whole thing. It's a little thing we're working on, really involved. Don't drink water. Um, let me see what I have appear for you Waterloo. What is that? Oh? It is um?

I like, so I stopped drinking sodas years ago. That's good. Yeah, so I drink coke today though I love them. I was a little hungover. I love cold you. Last night action party, no, actually, which was a bad idea to do karaoke? Nope, I was there for an hour. Did they pressure you to do karaoke if you go somewhere and they're like, Cassidy, if you're a good singer, goes do some karaoke, like blow everybody's face off. No, it's kind of crazy, I think. Well, first of all, and

one person recognized me in that pub. Everybody else was just hammered and didn't couldn't see. So it was great. But I just I just like be lined to the back of the room because I can't handle a smokey bar like that. It was too much. It was fun. I'm glad I did it. I never went before, but I was like, I gotta get out here. And then we ended up going on Broadway, and you went on Broadway Broadways like the mess. It's like tourists and everybody

gets just plastered and people are just peeing on the road. Yeah, I mean that's it at the same time. People vomit and pe at the same time, like a v or a palm it. Yeah, disgusting. You went on Broadway, Huh? I did. I just sometimes I don't care. Why don't you just hop in one of those bands, I'd be funny. I do. So my band plays. They My guitarist name is Benji, and they have their own side thing, Benji

and the Jets, and they play a gig. Yeah, pretty good, and they play every Saturday night at Valentine sometimes Friday nights. And if I go, I pop up there and we do like think of you or one of my songs or something. But I don't I love it. It's like it's I'm kind of a yes girl this year, well over the past few months, and I just I'm like, yeah, I'll go if I'm in my pjs on the couch. I used to be like, Nope, done at seven. I don't care if you text me I'm done for the night.

But now I'll be like, all right, I got a rally. It's time to go and always something awesome happens always, but most of the time, So what do you do? What do you do today? I got what's your life like? Now? Um So, I my phone broke last night. Last night was quite the night. Okay, it didn't break because I was drinking. It broke because I just stopped charging. I was at home and I was like, this isn't charging. So I went out. I brought my iPad. It looked

like a crazy picture. I package, your phone is broken, that's funny, and I was like Santa's pub trying to get WiFi and it's bad. But I. Um so, this morning my I was like, yeah, mom, I gotta go get a new phone. And she's like, don't go to the mall. Don't get a new phone because she caught me and I phone for Christmas. So I went over to she did was wrapped in everything. You have it? Oh, yeah, that's it's awesome. You know to use it yet No, I took me five minutes to figure out I to

shut it off. So you just wanted to turn it off. I just needed to turn it off to get my servants. Basically, just push one button and hold it down. No, that's Siri. No, it's to turn it off like watch, you have to hold this button down or there it's it. Wait, am I wrong? Oh that's what it isn't even know that's me. That's an example of me being a douche right there, that's it. I was. Yes, So it's these two buttons. That's why it never turns off the Oh my gosh,

the phone that never shut. I only talked to Siri by saying hey, Siri, though, oh I I have used it when I'm driving to call somebody. I'm really weird. I will not touch my phone when I'm driving. That's like a big no no. Yeah, I don't either, but I don't ever push the button. Now, I say, hey, Siri called Cassidy Pope trainer to call me poop face mine. Yes, I'm mature. My name is big bad Voodoo Boggy. Do you know how a big bad boodo daddy is. I

never heard a big bad boody daddy, not bad voodoo daddy. Yeah, so that's a mouthful, big bad boody daddy. Back in the people abbreviate that mm hmm. Here. Back in like the nineties or at least two thousands, this big band thing came back. It was like Brian sets Or Orchestra and Big Bad Boodoo Daddy. They're also in Swingers, okay, and the band Yeah, I know you're talking. Yeah I don't know their music and so no nobody does. But yeah, anyway,

dick it, that's good. You would know. I bet you kind of know this song No hold on You Me and the Bottle Make three. You see, you don't even a good music. You need to be on people to know good music. Jim, do you know Cherry Pop and Daddy's like zoot Suit, Riot, Ze, Sue Riot. What are you saying? Oh my goodness, Cherry by the way, what a bad name for all my mouse went out every way They're called Cherry Pop and Daddy's that's name, yeah it is. But zoot Suit Riot, Riot Back, bottle of Beer, Yeah,

that's this one. So this is this is the whole thing. And like the late nineties or the two thousands where all these bands that were big band, we're all in pop radio. This is when I was like a teenager on pop radio. So I don't remember that. I was very I was in like into Michelle Branch or something. But again I was on the radio. Yeah, you had to know everything out, all of it. Hold on, I'm

gonna give you this one. You're gonna do you do you remember Doug, the guy that did the cartoon dog Dude, Dude, go ahead. He did um covers of like pump songs, but he did it in like a Sinatra way. He wasn't real artist. I mean, I don't want to say that. No, I mean he wasn't to make his own stuff up. I don't think. So. It looks like this is all look out, jump driving well or something. Jump job, jump job job. So you were like ten or something. Oh,

I was probably into Backstreet Boys. Eight. I take a picture of the Backstreet Boys all in. It was all in me and my eyes were closed. So it was my one shot. Was all everybody was in because they were like, we take a picture of my eyes were closed. Hang it. I'm at them at the a c m MS last year. This year, I met in this year honors. No, wait a minute, a c m S I was at. I met him at CMT Artists of the Year. Okay, I didn't go to that, gotcha? Okay, Yeah, it'd be

pretty cool to get in the door there. This was my coming, I'm coming back. Okay. So just to recap, it's a lot. No, I think it's just a lot of life. It's so much life, but I love it. Yeah, I think it's a lot of life. I think you probably learned a lot in this last year, more than more than the last seven years. It's so true. It's once I was like, okay, I'm gonna start following my heart. That's when everything went crazy. It was like a ship store. Oh sorry, we want It was like a ship storm.

We don't think we're live on the radio. If not, you're gonna sadly disappointed. Nobody's calling in where everybody it was like, yeah, I just once I started doing that, it was really bad. At first, I was like, why did I do this again? Why did I fire everybody and break up with my nex? And then and then now I'm like, oh got it. I'm so much happier. I feel cleansed. M good for you. I would be as a dude. As a dude, and now we're dating a girl that was just out of a seven year relationship.

Be one. Well, I'm not like tough. I'm telling you as a dude, even though I would act cool and be like, yeah, I have, but I would be like, oh really yeah, because it's you wonder yea, yeah, but I'm it's I mean, I can say it's all blue in the face, but yeah, it's that's done. Like if you were dating a dude who was in a relationship for ten years basically and he's been out for a few months, when you want to be like, I wonder

what part of that he's holding on too? Yeah, but I'm honest, I'm like, I always love him, I respect him, He's amazing. Nobody did anything wrong. But it's if you like, unless I give you a reason to not trust me, then I think you should just be open up your heart and be open minded. I like to share with you my favorite thing about me. If you don't wind, you don't have an open hair. No, it's I love to give a relationship advice, and I can't keep one

together to say, my freaking life. It's like, it's like five years of let me give you some great relationship advice. Yet here's the blind audition from you. Yeah, this is how you doing. Do you remember the song you did torn, Natalie. I remember walking up the stairs and I had a ring on and I put my hand on the railing. It was like dead silent was like where a yeah, like I think it was the universal lot. Okay, so you went this is on the show show Yeah, okay, yeah,

but you had to sing somewhere else first, right? Oh yeah? I had Like they did a um, what's it called a rain a private audition, and I came and I kind of skipped you're a ringer? Did they find? They said you were hey Monday. Yeah. They were like, we heard you left the band. When you come audition? They asked me the year before. I said no, and they asked me again, and I was like, okay, that's time. Here's torn snow Midwick used to lie. This conversation all

three immediately took a minute. Well, it was tough because you started falling back in your chair, like you didn't want to hear that is making you comfortable. I can hear the nerves in my voice. And of course you're you're like, how old were you when you did this? Twenty two? Okay, you're twenty two and you're on NBC. Yeah, let's listen again, snow Midwick, you used to lie this conversation. Here's that family. Oh jeez, you're gonna make me cry now.

So that was my mom, my sister, my friend who passed two years ago, who I just got this tattoo for. I saw, I saw your Instagram post you getting it done yet? Yeah? He was one of my best friends, um, my old friend, my one of my oldest friends, Ali who I've known since I was in preschool, and Ryan, my ex. And it was like, I mean it was crazy, Like I I walked into the room after the audition and I was just looking at them like okay, somebody pinched me? Is this for real? Like did all four

just turn around? Like because I was scared, I left the band and I was like, what am I doing? I could this is comfortable, I could keep doing this, And you know, we just got out of our record deal, so we felt kind of free, like we could go anywhere if we wanted. But I knew deep down it was probably not going to happen for us, and so I left. But like that was the validation, Like crazy, what do you think when you hear yourself singing there? I don't like it. You know, I've heard just sing

a bunch of times. I wouldn't think that was you. I think I don't think it's that good. No, it's not, because here's what happens when you get nervous. Your throat closes up really and I like my main problem on that the whole show. I was at the very bottom of my potential the whole time because of nerves, and any time I get nervous, my low notes go away.

So like the finale for Crys, like, so you won the show nervous, yes, man, because you're a really good singer and I've been able to watch you sing in person, like you're fantastic. You're one of the upper echelon vocalists. And I hear this and I go, huh. They all turned aroun a little too quick for my For me, I was like, they around that, they run that like that's what I thought. I was like, it was like, yeah, that was pretty fast. I was like, really, okay, conversation,

that's quick. It's fast there. They I think they just heard something. Maybe you knew good, don't know, but I do. You're you're really fantastic. That's not a slight in anyway. No, I literally don't. I tell me bold it's okay. I tell people all the time like that, that's not a good representation of my voice at all because I was so nervous. Now, here's some of your hip hop albums. Are you apologized well for the age? Here's some from Hey Monday, Here's Candles. You ever listen to that? No?

I don't. Don't. I can't because because I'm like embarrassed by my writing. You always should be. Okay, here's what I'm gonna tell you about some of my right in my book. If you're you don't have to even be creating. If you're making and that's progress. If you're making progress, we're in a creative film, but you don't have been

a creative film to make progress or something. If you are working and you're making progress or something and you're not able to look back at be embarrassed something you did a year ago, two years ago, then you are not moving in the right direction. You should always look back and go because the more you're embarrassed of it, the more you've grown. Yeah. Oh totally. I can't believe I wrote a song called Candles. Blow the Candles Out looks like a solo Tonight I'm beginning to see the light.

That was the chorus, I mean to night, sorry to night to night, yeah, No, I don't give us some hard time. This has called homecoming you everything together for like hey Monday reunion show. You know, it's crazy. I ran into the guitarist Mike Genteel for the first time in probably eight years the other night at a basement East and we were talking about how next October is the ten year anniversary of that album. What's everybody doing. He is doing sinks for um, like he's building singing.

He's yes, he's building sinks. No. Um. I literally thought what she meant, dude. I thought somewhere I was like, good for him. It's like when you when your music gets placed in like a commercial or something. He's killing it with that. He's got his songs and he just had a song in the Cars movie and stuff. So he's doing great. He's really good. He's showed me some stuff he's producing. But he's awesome. And then Um, the other guitarist is doing kind of the same thing in

West Palm Beach. He's he's doing like producing some rappers in West Palm and stuff. Um the drummer is I think he has some sort of He and I don't keep in touch very much. Elliott has some sort of like design company. I could be so wrong on this, so he's going to kill me. But yeah, they're everybody's doing great. Reason the man broke up A yeah they were at first. Yeah, and we had a tour to do after I like try to make it so they had time to find other gigs, um, and we had.

We went to Brazil together and it was like a torturous trip because I knew they all hated me. And we were like, did you already tell them you're breaks? So you told them did this show is to give them time to find other works? Yes? And you stopped the band because you weren't. We we left the label, We left Colombia because they didn't care anymore, and I was like, this is a bad situation. We got out. We usually had a tour booked every year, like a

year in advance. We had nothing booked. I was paying everything out of pocket at that point. I hadn't had the success I have now. So you're running the band. I was running. Yeah, I was running everything, and I was like I can't literally can't afford it. A and B. I don't want to be you know, like twenty eight and still in this band and still struggling, like I

am gonna make it with or without this band. Like I I believe in myself, I would love to do it with you guys, but this doesn't feel right and like I gotta go, and so I mean, I was brutally honest with them. I was like this, this just isn't working. And it took a while for everybody to kind of get over it. And there's a lot of a lot of ship talking when I was on the Voice and stuff, because I didn't leave the band for the Voice. Even I left the band just to leave

the band. I was like, this isn't it and moved to l A, tried to do a solo thing, did an AP with my friend Gorvy. I just mentioned who passed and he you know, we I put it out so I could like I got it out right before the Voice, because I was like, oh my god, they locked you up. This is gonna be great. I can sell it. And it literally it like paid off so much, so many debts, so much like my rent. So really so you got out in time and then people bought it while you were on the Voice. That's because I

have a friend who went on the voice. See the more recently and she had music Natalie, Yeah, and she couldn't put it out. Yeah, and then it was like then you have to wait another x amount of days after you're off to put it out and you don't really and well with her, she had recorded it before. Oh yeah, it was her music, but they don't let you put it out in your window from when they come to you because she was one of the special

like they recruited her, right and she did it. She's like okay, and she didn't she can't put anything out for like three months prior because she's locked in a hotel room and then she can't put it out during the show. And she was just able to put it like last week or you know, whenever she had wine or whiskey, right, and so it's kind of it's yeah. I kind of was like, well, if people see me and they go and they look me up, there's one day and that's gonna be Columbia, So might as well

try and get something out that's mine. So that was that was nice. Here's one of those old songs that you did. Here you go mid conversation every time she's like, oh you found that. Come was a little to the days and death, but drive away and take his love. So I just feel like my voice has changed so much. Puberty, man change. I don't know if you watch Brady Bunch or if you ever did watch The Brady Man when he was going, who was going? Peter? Oh my gosh,

poor guy. Now listen, I wasn't alive when The Brady Bunch is on, but I watched three runs. Yeah, okay, just making sure that well it wasn't black and white still in all right, listen, good talk. We've been talking for how long? I all right? Pretty pretty good? Didn't he felt like I'm a treat to talk to. I got nothing to say when the mics offt like good, Mike's come on, Hey, everybody walk on having a good time,

having fun. What we've learned is it's a new start. Yeah, and people can be listening to this next year because he sings to live forever. But um, if you're listening to this now, which is before February, that's probably when new music is coming out, yeah, most likely, and you're gonna be doing it independently still unless somebody comes and gobbles you up. Yeah, which yeah, I don't really care. I just I want to I want to do it independently because I've never gotten. I haven't been able to

in so long. It feels good. And you will be reading bare bones I will simultaneously during all of this. Yes, No, you read that like a week Are you fast reader? Nope? You reading like a weekend of the day. I like get distracted by everything and anything, my dog, like the car driving by. It's the problem. Where are you standing? All right? Um at Cassidy Pope, let me ask you

a question. This is this is a good question. You put out a picture like two months ago maybe, and you were like in a crop top and you're standing next to old ford. Yeah okay, and we were was that a hate to the ex boyfriend? Like I'm in shape? And put this picture out for the world because no new music came and we were debating about this, like no, why were you next to that old truck? So that's like that is the photo shoot for this new music and I kind of wanted it to be like a

nod like, hey, there's a new era coming. Um, you didn't say that, You just put the picture out. Yeah, okay, next time you gotta say new Eric coming or something. But because we're all like you're trying to stick it to her X. That's what most of America felt like, because I didn't want that. I mean no, no, I I just I wanted people to see, like, yeah, I

cut my hair and got a different vibe going. And I didn't know that when the music would be coming out, so like the word I hate when like I've teased music in the past and then it never came and fans were like, whatever happened to that? So I didn't want to like mislead. So I just but I like the picture. That picture. Yeah, we talked about it would not stopped talking about. Yeah, that was so cool. Well, because we were like, what is she trying to say?

Interpret this picture? Hey, everybody can read it the way they want to read It's right, all right, that's good to see you at Cassidy Pope on all the stuff, right, yeah is it? That's it? And I've just been handed this. I'll check this out. This is uh, that's pretty good. We'll see you, uh, we'll see you soon, probably on the big radio show soon. But okay, well that's an episode ninety four and thanks to our sponsor oh yes, sleep now right, thank you very much. And now we'll see you next time.