8-24: Bobby Cast Ep. 4 (Kelleigh Bannen)

Kelly Bannon's here. Her name is spelled funny. If you do look it up, it's like k E L L E I g h p p l's like that. Yeah. So here's here's some of Kelly song landlocked here. Maybe you've heard it on the show before. We might be it might be damn Hi, we can build a sax in the back, pick up, chucking up, don't get get off, stop everybody on the So. Kelly walked up to my house, which has been flooded for a while, and so, I mean, I talked about how it's a war zone. It's bad.

It's like that's really bad. And I was telling you, like my house is all torn up right now, and it's it's not it's very dramatic here, like if all the hallway is like there's nothing at all, it's hot. It's really hot. Not to be deva. It was like, it's okay, it's this is because I've been here one other time and it's kind of a swanky place. Yeah, it's it's swanky for an older building. I think it's

a cool, lofty building. And so it's hot in my bedroom, which I'm not able to move in yet because they have heaters and dehydrators and defibrillators. I don't know what they have in that room. So I have heat coming up into the room and then I have the heat coming from the side because all the hall is torn up. So I wake up like I had the flu. I wake up and night sweats and or it feels like a pie the bed, like one of the two every time I wake up at night. So I'm sorry I

had to walk through that. But to counter that, you do look like crap. So yeah, you know, not not your face. I'm just saying you obviously just came from marking out. Just the rest of you looks like crap. That means you didn't feel any pressure that that here's the thing, Like, Okay, so this is what girls think about? Do you want to do you want to know what girls think about? Why don't you tell me what I

think about? You probably do know. I was all the time like, literally so this, I didn't have anything today that I needed to look like an artist for which means I didn't shower and I worked out this morning early with my trainer, and then I had just like a bunch of meetings but not anything where I needed to like look pretty. And so I was like, if I'm going to literally only shower for Bobby, wasn't what

the only show? Because No? Here's why though, because that's like kind of like I feel weird if I like feel like I'm trying too hard. And I was like, I think makeup, and it would have been like only for you, which would have been like I would have felt awkward, felt like a first date except kind of awkward. Right, So I just rolled up in here. Yeah, Kelly Bannon, nasty Mike. We'll start with Mike's three questions Mike. Every time we've had a guest in, Mike, leave to three

questions Mike. Question number one for Kelly Bannon, go ahead, Question number one, favorite Snapchat filter, Favorite oh, like, there he's bringing the hard stuff. Okay, I like truthfully, I like the advertising ones a lot of times, you know, like you know, the ones that are like the ones that are like they've they've paid for them for like a promotional purpose. Because here's the problem with the Snapchat filters.

If you do like one of the like breaths that the girls are all into, like the flower crown or the butterflies, then you know, you people know you need to look pretty, And if you do like the puppy, you could put one of those on both of us. Now. Actually, I do like the bee, though the bee makes me crack of didn't makes you Yeah, you can just be stupid. Oh well, the one I don't like is the one that looked just like me and has like the glasses in the braces and they too. Question to last TV

show you watched? Oh gosh, oh okay. We live with my mom right now because we're not in our house and my mom has Fox News on all day, so I haven't really it's not I haven't watched, but it's like it's just Fox News all the time in the background on I haven't watched the TV show in a minute, though, last question, Mike d Our, producer, and your favorite boy band in sync always really yeah, bactually started it that whole phase in scene kind of took it home. They

finished it like they closed it out. See I I feel like it's like the best sing me your favorite Backstreet Boys song? Then? What what would be your favorite Backstreet Boys song? Okay, well, okay, now that is good. It's a good one. Wait what was that one New Kids on the New Kids on the Block that was like when at least like I was in early middle school and it was soretty young for you, Mike, but

for us. But Backstreet Boys best song probably I don't know what he does to make you cray, but obvious make you smile. I don't have no fancy cup. Yeah to get to you, I walk a thousand? What is that gonna called? All I have to give? But the best Backstree Boys song does not hold up to Gone from in Sync and Gone wasn't even their biggest song. But wait, you cover something? I've seen you cover something from What do you cover or did you? Um? I don't know. We come, We kind of come to everything

as we go. But like bye bye bye is better than anything that that Baxter Boys put out. It's gonna be me. That's better than anything to Backstreet Boys. But you're crazy, Yeah, even like pop pop. I mean, that's a girlfriend with nell A too friends. I mean, and then their best song, and it wasn't even their biggest song. But I think Gone was like the coolest song. It was all black and white. Remember the music video video. I actually don't remember that video. You know, the song

like the circus needs to clown. I'm not sure that I do like a mind. Oh, this is the greatest then Sink song ever, and you guys are totally missed. You missed it. I don't want to. I don't think I know it. It was late in sync. I'm gonna break off a little bit. This is instinct Gone, by the way, Kelly Bannon's here, there's a thousand said that. Oh yeah, this is such a great melody too. You know,

what are you talking about so long? Like this is like justin Timberlake solo career, right before it was justin Timberlake solo career. But he does sound like a baby though. To me, you acting so strange, acting so strange. Maybe I was too blood to chee that you needed a change. Well, is it something the ship to make it turn away,

make you walk out? Andy me cold fucking just found me to make it so that you all right here, here we go, Mike Bissing, get you off my march of my hardest to bee the man and be strong, draw myself and say true read made you go, God baby go, oh you go baby girl. Man, that was a damn and I'm glad you did that that. I'm like, okay,

I want to go back and listen. There's more than bye bye bye great like in stinc is great in order of our lifetime and sink at one boy new Gets on the block was that was such a big deal? I was. We were so young though, I like, I don't think we got to experience you remember girls like like and sleep over Party is having like the VHS of their video and like sleeping with like the video. Yeah, yeah, vhs you have? How do you? Okay? Um, that's a tape.

It's one of those rectangled things and used to put in like this big monster that a hole in it and it would suck it in and then play it on your TV. He's crazy, don't worry about Yeah, we'll google it later. Backstreet in Sync, New Kids, probably Backstreet. I don't know if you consider Boys the men a boy band, because then they get into the whole Joe to see. I'm gonna say boys and not a boy band. I'm gonna say they're there because they didn't dance. To be a boy band, you have to be put on

a lot of dance too. With the singing boys them in they were good because they sang really well. Like the package of a boy band has to be. You have to be young vocalists and do a lot of dances, a lot of dancing. So okay, I go in Sync, New Kids, Backstreet Boys. I mean, like I was going to ask you that those guys are really good musicians, so I wouldn't put him in a boy band group like I loved oh Town, who was the guy that just died that was like somebody's major manager, and so

he was. He created all these groups, Backstreet, in Sync, oh Town. And he also and there are allegations against him for doing improper things. He created LFO like that was his thing. But he got in trouble for a Ponzi scheme that was even bigger than the one that the Bernie Madoff had. You know what does not make sense to me about that is like think about what he was making back then, with the kind of record stills they had, Like why would you do that? Because

never get enough? Period? Like ever, the richest people I know are still out. It doesn't matter with money, No one's ever just contend. I don't know anyone who just like, I'm good to where I am. Do you know anybody who like, Okay, you're right, You're right. Everybody's like at the same time, just think about me a little bit. What's like what people say about when the people win the lottery, Like their happiness goes down because they don't know what to do and they start to see the

relationships that they have and don't have and what they meet. Yeah, but I don't know anybody that goes let me just get it look a little poor better. It's a little poor. It's always let me just start to get a little richer. Even you know the richest billionaires is they do that. But with that, I play you one of the best boy band songs of all time, But this one right here, All or Nothing from Otown Top five boy band songs, even though they're not one of the talk three or

four boy bands. I went and hung out. I hung out with them in Portland for like a whole night. Once they weren't nice to Jacob. He was one of the guys in the band. Is a whole story. But then's the champ. Yeah, these guys had what was that chorus? Though? I know I know that Okay god, okay, yeah, thank you? Oh yeah that was a jam. Uh so that was fun. Kelly Bannon's here. You have a new website that's up and it's called This Nationale Life. Yes, it's like a blog,

I know, roll your eyes. That's where everything. No, no, it's not that everything is going there, but it's just hard to cut through because everybody has one. But everybody's going there, and everyone has one, and there will be those that thrive huge, but most won't. It's like all of it. It's all the whole thing. It's like artists of music and artists of of in radio and artists of whatever. The really good ones will cut through and go to the top. One thing that I have learned

through my lifetime is the cream always rises. Eventually, the cream always rises. It might take a little longer for the cream to rise because of scenarios or circumstances. But early do I see somebody that's so good and they have a healthy head, and they don't make it unless they quit, you know what I mean. If you you quit, you didn't really want it anymore. So the cream always rises. And the same thing with blogs and the same thing

with with podcasts. Like you see guys like Joe Rogan and guys that have been at it for a long time and have huge followings and because they're just good, compelling, um and so yours. It's called this national life called Naville. There's a blog and there's a podcast that actually started to do yeah. Um, so there was. I had no idea and I was like, hey, why don't you come up. I didn't know she was in a media tour today yesterday and I was like, hey, come by the house

and do that. So what's the blog about? The blog? Okay? So I was in like I was in my record deal and music wasn't coming out, and oh man, that was like that was awesome. What car was that used to do? What was that? The thing you heard was a NASCAR hood that had my name on it that we have propped up against The wallet fell? Why what's

the tape about? Okay, so, um so this national life the bog started just because well, one, I think there's a lot of really fun, cool things that go along with being an artist, like especially for girls, Like there's the glamy stuff in the fashion and like you get to do cool stuff, you know, we get to meet really neat people. And so part of me was like, like there's some neat stories to be told and fans

want to know about it. And I wasn't able to put music out because I was you know, it was just kind of we were between sort of we were still at Universal and trying to find that next single record label. Yeah yeah, And I just was trying to look for a way to connect with fans. And I wanted to take my story back a little bit too, and um, not in like a bad way, just in like I wanted to be the person telling my story.

And I also feel like like I've I'm not super young, Like I have a lot of experiences and I've had a lot of heartache, and I just like I can tell like, I think there's a gift in telling your story and sharing it with I think that's what you do so incredibly well too. It's like you don't give everything, you can't be vulnerable about every single thing. But when you can be vulnerable about something like it can be a real gift to other people. I love boy bands.

You know you're vulnerable than that. So this Nashville Life will talk more about that in a minute. Yeah, I want to ask you about like a record deal that we talked about, the records and stuff. How old were you when you get your first record deal? So that's kind of old actually already for a female, it is older ish to get a first record deal. Yeah, And when we talk in terms here of age, we talk

in artists terms. There's the thing on the show where we talk when you compare celebrity guys and girls on looks. There's the celebrity scale and there's the normal. I went telling the truth about do you want I can give you my artist age, then we can back that up. I got signed in to my record deal at twenty four,

so you were active. I'm with twenty eight when I got signed and they knew it and yeah, older than Yeah, a lot of the like you not, you know, probably I got more hung up on that than they ever did. I mean, they don't. They're not going to be like she's thirty who you know? But like I think as long as I looked pretty good and like I didn't look super old. So if you're twenty eight and you get signed, how that? How did it happen? Where you

get a deal? Do you go out and do you I think a lot of listeners would like to know how this works. Do you go and say I will be playing at this bar. Anyone who wants to come and watch me can come watch me, and anyone has

to sign me can sign me. Well, you know, nowadays it's different, but like then, okay to to this day, they still do this thing called artist pitches, where like, okay, let's say you let's say you're a manager, you're a producer, and you have and you're working with the Raging Idiots. I know this isn't how this happened for the Raging Idiots.

I don't think that, but like, so, okay, we've got this band, like they they're really cool, We've got some side, we've got some songs, some recordings of them, and like you set meetings with an r that's like who signs people at record labels and you go in there like almost like a conference room performance, like you play for them? How did you? That's what I found had a manager. No, Actually the way I got found was I did this tour in two thousand nine called ninety Gigs and ninety

Days and how to Recovery tie in. It was like to honor um, like the one year anniversary of my younger brother passing away, and I just didn't know what to do with that anniversary. So I was like, I'm gonna go play a bunch of shows. And it's like main national News and Paul Worley, who's a really famous producer here in town. He produced the Dixie Chicks and

Sarah Evans, Martin McBride, Lady Anabelle um Um. He like, I think he just read about me and he was like she's just crazy enough, like I'll take a meeting with her. And I just went and played for him, just me and my guitar. I'm saying, like you know these So I mean, I wasn't even writing in in mainstream music row at that time. I was writing by myself and with like a couple other people. Yeah my song.

So I was singing in front of this guy, singing in front this guy in his office, and he his job would be if he likes if he said yes to manage, you know, to produced, yes to make Okay, so you're going to play an he likes you, and he's like you okay, we're gonna He was really, I mean, Paul is a huge part of my story, but he was like okay, cool, Like this is happening in the meeting. He's like, uh, we're going to make a record together.

Now you need to go write the songs. And I have a lot of connections and tell him obviously, so I'm gonna help you get in with songwriters. He said he had the connections. I mean, he's just like, I'm going to help you get those co writes and you're gonna go write your record and we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna make music together. So you made a record before you got a deal. We did like half a record. And so do you take the music to different record

companies and you say, here's what it sounds like. And so who signed you? Mike Dungan and Autumn House at what was then Capitol Records but it is now Universal Records. Okay, so they signed you under the pretense of you're gonna be an artist, they tell you what kind of artists you needed to be. They actually signed me to something that doesn't happen anymore, which is called a development deal. But it was like, yeah, we really love what you're doing.

And like other other record labels had passed on me too, Like we were pitching a couple different places, but and then one was still like in the conversation, but and I really loved them over there. They had so many artists that I really admired. I was like, oh, like what I want to be a part of what they're doing. And yeah, so they are like essentially they're like you gotta go right, Yeah, you gotta go right that right, that hit right those right, that first single right, that album? Um, yeah,

so you go and you get a record deal. People think you get a record deal, so you make a lot of money immediately. I mean, you do get a little bit of a signing bonus, but like, what's what's a little bit of a signing bonus. I think at the end of the day, my signing bonus was forty

dollars or fifty thousand dollars. That's not nothing. Just needs at But then I had probably twenty thousand and legal fees fifteen or twenty thousand and legal fees, And that's the that's the first check you get from the record label, and you don't get another check from the record label until you've made back all the money that they spend on you, essentially, or you're making your or they put out an album and then you make another album, and they advance you money, usually at the front end of

each album cycle, so it's called like a recoup. So for example, if it takes ten dollars to make a record and the record makes thirteen dollars, you don't even start to get paid until the extra three dollars comes and you only get a fraction of the three dollars, which is very small. So, and people don't buy records, and people don't they really people don't buy music, and and and in five years, people just don't get to

buy music, like it's not convenient. The making of music to be bought is not going to be a thing in five to ten years, it'll be a boutique thing. But where it's going to go as people are gonna have an artists are gonna have to find ways to monetize their music in different ways, and you know touring obviously and in merchandise obviously, but do you do special

Facebook live shows? Do you fan experience? That's where the that's where the money is going to have to come, because you're already seeing no money come from music and so labels are trying to figure it out artists or trying to figure it out. And so you're with Universal and you decided to put out a single. What was the first single? The first single was called Sorry on the Rocks, and it actually got to thirty six, so

it was my highest charting song. It wasn't like the highest selling, but it was the highest charting song that we put Clearly, he didn't I wasn't in the format you weren't. I don't know when when did you come? Yeah? It was two thou twelve here Sorry on the Rocks. So you have the song. Do you feel like it's going to be a huge hit? I mean I did? I did? I did? I mean, yeah, what are you talking about? I don't really want to do this on the I can get to the chorus, get to the chorus,

gone listen. You finably have a nice studio here, it's too full, and you all say, I'm sorry, you've been checking all right, and now shag it's Magan worstool, I'm sorry, very single, and you're excited and you're a new artist, and I'm sure the labels behind you like crazy. Well actually it was. It was total mayhem because the label head had just left, like I get signed, We're about to come out with this first single, and the label head leaves to go to another label. Because there's all

this Cris is like totally inside baseball. So I don't want to bore you guys, but like I'll tell you it's boring. But we had we went out on our radio tour and that wasn't even a single we were promoting. So then they're like, wait, we think this should be the single. It just felt like really chaotic. So and I've been in that situation to where I had a CEO and right in the middle of them deciding what they were going to want me to do and let

me figure out how I wanted to do. They switched and I got I got really lucky and had someone who came in and was like because that my original CEO was like you we want you to do something huge.

We were they're offering me different jobs, but then the new when Bob Pittman came in, I was like, not only want you to do this, like we really want you to do all of this, where it could have been that so many of my friends it happens to and they want to bring in their own people totally, and I honestly it did not go as badly as it could have, and we ended up these two companies merged back together and so we're all back under the

same leadership. But there were like eight months where it was like lose in charge and like what's going to happen and everything they support you or you that you they didn't find about you, right, that's human nature. Like, so that song goes to thirty nine or something right under top top forty, you get when do you get

the call that goes, okay, the song is dead? Were actually, you know, my manager Carry and I didn't have a manager when I honestly, I didn't have a manager until like halfway through that because I didn't have a manager when I got signed, and like Carry called me and she was just like, you know, it's like it's over and I don't It's very like our world, and your world especially is so these numbers, like it is math the way that songs make it up the charts. It

is literally math. And so what had happened is we'd break we'd broken into the top forty, which means you get all this like count downing stuff. You guys have heard countdowns. Sorry, I'm sure you do have to countdown. I've never heard this song before, but I have the biggest countdown in America, by the way, for the record, the country is the largest national countdown in country music. Like, I don't care, but I'm sure it's awesome. It's it's fine.

It's a countdown that easy, the easiest. So um, So what happens is like, so you get all these extra plays on your song because it's in the countdown and all these stations are playing it, if that makes sense, and then you have to keep that forward momentum. I think like a couple of big superstars put songs out and they like jumped me in the charts, and we got knocked out of the forties. And you you can not go forward. If you stopped climbing a ladder, it's

hard to reclimb it. That what happened, and like, I don't know. Should the song have been a hit? I don't know, probably not, but you know I didn't hate it. Thanks you yea? So okay, then what do you put on? So then we put out famous? Okay, this one. I was just into the format here, so I know this song. And so this is Kelly Bannon. This song is called famous because I'm gonna make like, yeah, you sing it. I'm good, I'm really good. This was the one agree on.

It's so like a hundred and fifty thou singles. Yeah, okay, here's famous. You swipped me off my things from the moment I met you good. I want to lucky baby. I'll let you in my heart and my heart fast forward of the course. Just yet. I'm gonna make you famous about you? You know, I know what your name is this town. I'm gonna make you famous to don't you know what those around? Yeah, I'm gonna make your famous famous. So you put out famous. And I remember

liking that song and where did it? Where did it pick up the char chartedby? It never charted? I think people were Okay, it's poppy. You guys just heard it. It is poppy, But now I mean it was, and it was before a lot of the other stuff that happened. That is poppy, But I just believe me. Are you poppy? Yeah you have changed things? Yeah you okay, But like we I just felt like, okay, yes, people are going to be like, it's poppy, but I felt like it was.

It would be. We wouldn't have put out the best version of the song if we'd gone back and tried to make it country or in some It just was. That was the recording, and I believed in that recording, and I thought fans would love it, and they did actually, like they bought it, and they watched the video a million, well like two and a half million times. And but like radio, it was just two different. I don't know, I don't know what it was like. It's different now

it's like totally not. It actually makes me kind of I don't know. It's slowly catching up. I got in trouble. Rolling of the format was twenty years behind. I got everybody's been saying that though in town for a million years, like that's not did you get a little hand slap? I don't get hand slaps, I get, but I was really disliked in town for what I was doing with the radio show for about a year and a half

until it was like, wow, okay, he's an artist advocate. Yeah, you weren't just liked by artists, though you were disliked by peep. Artists really liked you. I don't know they liked me, but I think they appreciated that I was going out on limbs because I don't know. It's not like I'm but you know, I don't. I'm not sort of like the Nashville buddy hood. You're not and you're not, but you're personable like I do think they are. I mean, let's real nice. I think you're a nice person. Um,

your best song to me was Smoke when I Drink. Really, I don't know. I didn't know that I play. I used to play in the dance party, and when I play songs in the dance party, I picked the song, you know what. So we asked, so what happened is I mean, we asked them to put take this to radio and they were like, you can't say smoke and drink and I've played bottom, So we just we just put it out digitally because I was on tour with Cole and I had to have music out. Yeah, No,

I wasn't meaning that like a name drop. I was on the road with Darth Rooks. You know you did, yes, but does this smoke when I drinks? I think was your best song and they wouldn't play out Nicotina shooting turn on down, see it only smong one a drinking only smoke one A drinking stage moment. Keep it coming, baby, when you feel all right, I'm tuning up the giants. Turn you back Bay, keep telling my silver only smoke when I drink A tempo fun listen. I mean, smoking

is gross. I don't care. The song was I don't smoke, and it's a metaphor, and I kind of just didn't care, like I don't, I didn't care. I thought this song was so cool. I didn't care, like sometimes you're you're just like you're as an artist and you know this like you are, you are a lot of who you are on stage, but you're not only who you are on stage, and so like to me, I loved so much about that song. I loved I love the writing on it. Um it was cool. I loved our recording

of I was so proud of Jason, my producer. I just I love the way it came together, and yeah, it is a little rowdier. I what I do is a little rowdier. Probably, it's probably a little rowdier than I truly. My personality is I'm not super crazy like I do like bourbon. But you know, I just I loved that song and I thought it was a smash and yeah, no, it was also like do you remember that song smoking and Drinking that Mariana put out? It was right around that time and that didn't do well either.

But so no, man, okay, that was my favorite song. Thanks, that's nice. I didn't know that you liked that. So then you get dropped from your label st you know, it was here's the thing, and you and I did have a really frank conversation about it, like don't it don't I have nothing to do with well no, no, no, no, I didn't mean that at all. I just mean, like, okay, you know, when you're a priority somewhere, And they didn't They were awesome, they didn't drop me, but I don't

know if they were going too. It was like it was like, you know, like you've been with your boyfriend for forever, it's like your high school boyfriend, and like somebody's got to break up with somebody. It's like somebody's got to Nobody wants to break up, but you want to break up. Nobody wants to do the breaking Yeah, so, I so, I mean, honestly, we almost It was mid May when we finally decided we were going to put cheap sunglasses out the EP by ourselves, because but we

also knew that the passion wasn't there anymore. And I don't mean that as a critical thing. It's just human nature, like you're not new to somebody anymore. You're not you're not the shiny new thing, and you had your minute to be the shiny toy. You were it didn't work out. So to them it's like, let's find the next shine. And it's not them, it's everyone. This is the nature of the business. Humative businesses, all creative businesses. Everybody likes

the shiny toy. Doesn't matter if it's on TV, the movie's music, radio. Everybody likes the shiny toy. And the goal is to stay shiny. Yeah it's hard, it's yeah, I mean it's it's almost impossible. And when you don't become shiny, you have to re shine yourself or someone else is going to come in a movie inside and that's in a a field. That's always the case, and it will always be the case from now until forever.

So this isn't new, and it will be something that happens with every artist of every If you're a painter, it's the same thing. Art's tough because there isn't there aren't definitions. I have a friend who was, uh, I have a friend that was you know, it was an artist. Okay, I have to be careful just because I don't care. I would tell the whole story. But my thing is I don't put other people stories out there unless unless

I'm allowed to, or it's about me. Those are my So this friend sends me music and at one point this friend was a big artist and they quit being an artist for a bit, and uh, so they sent me some music and they're like, hey, listen to what you think. And so I just was frank and was honest about it, and and I sent it back and I said, listen, but I'll tell you all of this. But none of what I say or what anyone says matters, because with or anything creative, you just don't know. It's so.

And if anyone ever tells you that they do, they're they're wrong. Anyone that's for sure about anything creative is wrong because you don't know. You can have every structurally perfect song and then all of a sudden, who let the dogs outcomes out? I mean it's a right, I mean really that that that's the rule of all. So, you know, I send this note back and I'm like, I don't think this, this is this. I like this, but I said, but all of this advice, or any

advice one person gives you, it's not right. The only advice that's real is yours, and you have to follow your gut, and then if it doesn't work, okay, then follow your gut again until you decide it it's not for you. Yeah, I don't think that's actually great advice. And so it was just like just you have to surround yourself people you trust, surround yourself for people that aren't yes people, and then once they pile in all of their advice, then you make your own decision and

it has to be your decision. So it's it's tough. So okay, you go and you don't have a record label anymore, so do you pay for By the way, Kelly Bannon has a it's called Cheap Sunglasses, and you can download it, you can stream. I would say download it because you stream, it's staying and pay and true. But I stream but and I download but whatever, But it's out there cheap sunglasses. Did you do that with

your own money? Yeah? Well that was what's crazy is I was still signed and I just was like, freak this, I gotta I've gotta go make my I've got to go make music. Ro I'm gonna go crazy. So I just kind of disappeared and made it and paid for it, paid for it yourself. Yeah. So actually, not only that I borrowed money from my parents. That sucks, man, it's hard. I mean, I feel really fortunate that they loaned me a little money. But yeah, a minute, I got to

say multiple thanks. Firing off, Mike. What am I doing? Oh? I still hear smoke when I drink? Okay, this is a montage. They don't go together. Apparently we might be might be. Damn. We can feel the same to the back to pick up. So that's on there, Mike. How long will be in? So far? We're good, We're we're good. We've got plenty of time. Cheap sunglasses is the name of it. Here's cheap sunglasses, cheap sun glass. Just just my thing palls out of fast so he didn't bike

just so away. Well, I'm a made a plastic I don't want to be cheap sunless. You picked that song

as the title of the whole record? Why, Um, I wrote it about leaving your label and just like making the decision and like where I was then, and like, I think this is for me writing that song, like as a as a girl, as a woman in like and I think in any entertainment business or like, you want to be fun and you want to be pretty, and you like want to be those things, but you also want to be more than those things, right, Like you don't just want to be the pretty girl along

for the ride. But so it's like that that song. I felt like we actually did a pretty good job of like kind of navigating that Like, yeah, I want I want to be that girl. I don't want to be that girl, but I also want, like I want more than that too. Do you feel because I'm five, okay, do you feel at thirty five? And never I've never

said that publicly, you know what I think? Kelly honestly, and again I would just tell you the choice because uh that I think that's an advantage now really I do, okay, because first I don't need to go get botox because I'm first. No, forever it was a disadvantage to be older than twenty three. It's just not about it's becoming more about the actual product than it is just what

is supposed to fit. Yeah, and so the fact that you're on it and again in at thirty two, girl, I know girls are like, as it's not for me, and they're artists. I know they're in the thirties. Now they're like, I don't know if I can do. And I'm like, because this is because there aren't any like real life human adult female artist right now. You're a real life human female in a land where there are none.

There are none like you're You're a real life You're not Martina McBride, someone who was a big artist back when we were kids. You're in an area where no other artists are. You're a real life growing up female. You're not a teen, you're not an early twenties. You're an adult, and there's no one in that. There's nobody there. So as some people look at it and I just get frustrated at at because of what it's always been.

That's what it's always supposed to be, and I just don't think that is what I think it is anymore. And so to me, I would rather be thirty five than twenty eight right now, totally, even as an artist. Like, yes, I mean if I could be my thirty five year old self in my twenties, yeah no, yeah no, there's no comparison. Like I couldn't go back and do that again. I couldn't go back and do high school. I couldn't go back and do middle school. And I would not go back and do my mid twenties. It was it

was hard. Yeah, I like, my last three months have been pretty good. Other than that, you know, I mean, that's the book before that. So, um, Kelly Bannon is here, and so she has a record out. She has a blog on a website called This Nashville Life, and you can check it out, and she writes and she talks and she does all of this and you're gonna see it's you know, it's my advice to you. You have to and listen to Kelly's podcast. I haven't yet listen to one that you sent me. You did you did

listen to I told you I was going to. Well, I just think you. I assume you like, don't have time for the I don't. But unless I say I'm going to do it my rule live, I don't have time because I mean my schedule one thing against the next. However, I put things in there are important and I said I'm going to listen to this. And I listened to it, and I said, I think it's good, but I think it's too long. And that was what I came back to you with. It's almost impossible to develop following until

you do. And you have to do it so consistently. And this is that anybody who wants to do a podcast or a blog, you have to do it so consistent all the time and let people every time into you. You feel like you're beating it to death that people are just now discovering it. For example, we do a segment, it's our highest rated segment on our show, tell Me Something Good. We do it every day twice a day, and I feel like, man, how are people not tirer

of this? Every day twice a day. I'm just like, how are And some people and people come up to me and they're like, that's my favorite segment, Like I listened to that segment and I'm just like, I love that. And frankly, that segment has changed the culture of radio in general. And that's a whole back story of how we started it. Twelve years ago. Research said it worked to other stations started doing it, so other stations so

now everybody does it. But for me, it's the same thing with the podcast, like you have to do it where you feel like you're beating it to death, and when you're like, oh, I just don't want to do another one, you have to do what you're thinking right now, three more you no, why am I hearing not at all? I want to see you succeed. And that's the key, is just repetition and when you're tired of yourself. People are just now discovering it. You know. That is a

creepy part of our job. Like we had video content, like we had essentially like a music video for each song on the on the EP, and some of them were like more involved, like real official music videos, and some of them were less involved. But I got to the point where I was like, oh my gosh, people must hate me, like I am so sick of my face and my stuff, you know, And I get sick of me more than anybody. Yeah, I was super sick of myself. I get to like I don't want to.

I can't some of myself. I can't look at myself. But again, if I'm tweeting all day, people might see three tweets. They might see three tweets if I put out forty tweets and and they follow me. Everyone is so and this is everyone. Everyone is so wrapped up in themselves that we think everyone sees what we see, and they don't because everyone so wrapped up in themselves that they only catch peripherally the other things. So you just have to hit it and hit it and hit it.

Anybody creative, You have to hit it over and over again, and it won't work seventy two times, and in the seventy third time you'll get lucky. And all it is is you've worked so hard to get lucky. Yeah, my dad used to say that the harder I work, the luckier I get. It's my career, Like I'm an overnight success, except I've been doing this for in the mornings for fourteen freaking years. Yeah, whit hell am I so? Yeah? Fourteen years. I've been doing mornings like and it's a grind.

Been tired for years, for fourteen years. So you know, I like what you're doing, and I hope you do it consistently. Thank you. It's hard to do it consistently. But nothing. It's you know, if if it was easy, everybody would do it and everybody would be successful, and and hardly anyone is. Kelly Bannon is here, by the way in Cheap Sunglasses is the record. This is again the song Cheap Sunglasses sust I don't like, do you

have a negative feeling about being thirty five? Like? To me that that really sets me wrong, because you shouldn't. I guess it's because I think you know, you've been conditioned by this town, in this industry to think thirty five years older, the female artist is old. You've been conditioned to think that, and I'm telling you now it is not old. Like I cannot wait for new show chrome music in country like. It doesn't matter to me if the artist is good. I don't care how old

they are. I don't care young they are. I don't care if they're sixteen. Make a great soul, but you've been conditioned. And I don't think that way about other people, but I do feel I think, but it's probably back to what you were saying. It's like you think everyone's obsessed with you the way he CRUs with yourself, and no one actually gives us unless you're Sam Hunt. Nobody cares, but cares, and even I'm like, dang Sam like that Instagram. But even that because like Sam Vogan and that here's

the frustrating part for me as a show. It's like I don't have and Mike knows me well because Mike and I spend most of our days together outside of the show. Like I don't hang out with anybody, but I know everybody and I know I know the good guys. I know the guys that I would never hang out within a million years, um, but that's just human nature. And like Sam's a good dude. Like I like Sam a lot, and I know stuff it like I saw

the interimbody. I knew that was immediately, and it's still a lot that like people are arguing about it, and I could go on the show comments that fine line of like I know Sam, I know who that girl is. I just there's a part of my human nous that's like unless I talk to Sam and he's like, go for it, I'm not gonna do it. I can't do it. Have you always known where that line is? Because that I still don't know where the okay, It's like, honestly,

I don't. And I think what's my biggest weakness is my biggest strength is that I just say what I feel like I should say, and seven percent of the time it's right. It's a thirteen percent of time that gets me in trouble. Has the percentage gone up? I think I've got a little smarter and at times I've gotten a little bolder because I know and I know when it gets I'll do things sometimes but sometimes it's wrong,

but it's like the it is the right move. I'll tell you an example is and I was talking about it this morning. I did interview with Rolling Stone and they were talking about the show and the Raging Idiots and the comedy and the a lot of stuff, and they were asking me what the success of the show was. I said, listen, I am the best interviewer in radio except for Howard Stern. Like artists come in and they I'm appeared to them instead of And I said it so boldly, and I knew it was going to be

one of the heads. And if I wanted them, I would have put it up there as the head. And I only did it for real. Do I believe it though? Yeah, But I also put it up there as a standard that I feel like I have to achieve. Like I said that now I have to keep. It's also a goal. It's like I'm pinning it up on my board and I walk out every day and it's like slap it

because every day you got to live up to it. Well, that's the thing too, if it's your giftedness, like I feel like that about even just like singing, like I do think I'm a really really good singer, but that doesn't mean like I still have to go out and prove it and at night after day, like I Babe RhoD said, the home runs you hit yesterday don't win

the games today. And so I'm full of things. But my grandma and like books, like I love to read, and I love read about people too, like I'm fascinated with successful people and how they build success and the tools that they used to be Like I'm fascinated with it, and so that's why I do. I love people. I love reading about people and people that I love the

faults of people and the faults or what really make humans. Well, it's what you just said that the fault is usually the other side of the coin to like whatever that really unique giftednesses or like that's really really them, you know, like that's and crazy crazy too, So let's well there's that also. Um, well, okay, so people can hear your podcast.

What are you talking about on the podcast? Well, I'm actually I'm really proud of it, Like, well, the first one that came out today is called The Radio Game, and we just sort of talk about what happened with famous and then we also interview someone like from a from a label that explains like how songs make it up the charts. This there's an episode that's called That's Not Country. That's about why we love to hate on things that aren't our definition of country, Like what is

that culture about? That's what's gonna be with Shane McNally. Um, there's an episode called Get Hot or Go Home. You've already take all these just know we're releasing them every two weeks where we've got to go more than that, you know, I know you have to go, but I can't. I kind of can't afford because there is a production your parents. That's always You're right. I don't have any parents, but if I did, I borrowed from them if they

were living right now, I'm living with my mom. I mean, it's just really it's the five has been a bit, but I've done my age. Like I'm like, not in my house right now. Yeah, I know, I think you're right. I mean, we kind of. I just because of my schedule and working, I just I can't. And it's a high. I don't say those two words. You can't say those words. Okay, I know that what I know your schedule is crazy.

But what my podcast is it is a different format than what you're doing right now, and it's just it. I don't have the time to do it the way that I want to any quicker than every two weeks. I personally the way, you know what, I lose your talk when someone tells me I can't I go. You could if you really want to. I wanted to. You know what, I am a super perfectionist and super competitive, but I do think like there is a point where you said, like, I cannot do everything. I thought I

could do everything forever you're talking to the guy. I thought you could do everything too, and you can't. But you have to like know and you like, I mean, you have people that help you with some of your stuff and have what I call a babysitter. It's a manager in but I have a babysitter and she is over everything that I do. Like she's not over the radio show, but the idiots, the comedy, the books, the

um porno you know. Yeah, so there are there were the port account, the cat, my computer h twice in the past week. Are they hacking my Twitter? But so you know, I have like six projects going at once. It's a TV show, um, all these things. We have to have people in our lives to do this. But I'm much more. I mean I have I do have a team that's helping me, but I don't have the same sort of structor. I'm really in a lot of ways, And I mean I am creating the content myself by

myself a lot of it. So yeah, I'm trying to do that balance of like I still want to believe that like I need to. I'm just telling you have to feed the people or they're just gonna go like a what's next? Ye, there's a reason shows come on every week. Okay. I know it's tough, and it doesn't have to be well, just because I want it to be really, really great. Nobody cares. Give them something compelling. Nobody cares how perfect something is. As long as it's compelling,

you should work for me. It's even worse. I now, I'm like, shoot, I thought I was maybe going to go to sleep tonight, and I'm like, no, I can't go to sleep tonight. Yeah, you know what happened today? No, No, this whole thing. We come in and we heard this whole thing here, and it's like whatever. But you also like being compelled. It's all the key with songs with me talking with you just have to be compelling. That's it. At the end of story, you have a perfect if

it's about perfect speaking that is. That is a real problem for me, for sure. I mean, like I believe if I if I make it perfect, it will do better. And that actually isn't It is rarely true. If you take it down a notch in quality and add up to notches and quantity, it will be better, and I'm now even like I'm a tail here podcast from nothing he had one had no fault, nothing, and he started doing a punk rock podcast I think turned into like a punk rock it would be a message board something.

Oh my gosh, you guys are stressing me out. Now I go home. Winners stress loser's rest. There you go. I just made that one up. Write that one that that was quoted to me. All right, listen Kelly Bannons, Oh my gosh, you can check out her blog and her her once she did a podcast every six months since I was able to. Could you don't have to drink such a jerk about it? I do kind of Um, I want the best for you. Do you know that's

really nice? Like I do. Think that's why I say that, Kelly Bannon k E L L E I g H. That's how you spell it. Um. So you can find cheap sunglasses in the record. You can download it. You can. You're out playing shows them. I wish I was playing more shows, but I am. I am out playing a decent amount of shows. I don't even know how we met, how do we meet? We met? Actually, I have a really vivid memory of meeting you, which I hope it doesn't freak you out, but um, like I know what

I was wearing. I had. That was a really vivid day for me. It was CRS. Do you remember how you think about you? Though it's just an example of us going back, but I remember. I mean I actually think you were dressed up, which isn't like how I think of you normally. I kind of want to think you were in like a suit or something. Maybe maybe I was like, No, it was CRS is like a radio convention. Yeah, and it was that that the fan part where it's not a fan part, it's like where

you go and just sign you know. No, I was signing and you were probably coming from a signing and um, like I think probably like promo. My promo team was like introducing me, but I had already heard the show. Um, because it's your show started on my birthday. And that's like a really symbolic day for me for a lot of reasons, obviously, like I was bestie because of your show. Um, I didn't want to take it like too heavy, so I was like I'm backtracking now, I'm like, oh, shoot,

I shouldn't have that. But you but we met Okay, So we met and I just like, I, I don't know, I just had that left an impression on me that moment, that that moment, that conversation. It did jerk. No, I wasn't. I mean, I don't know why you like to think that. People think that about everybody is annoyed with me all the time. I think that now I think everybody I think I'm super annoy and I might be. I'll tell you a story. This is an awful story has happened,

like last week is awful. And so I get an email and the truth about emails. I can't keep up with my email, my workingmi. I can't keep up with Twitter, and I see every tweet sent to me. I see. I make that a priority. I see most of Instagram. I don't look at Facebook a whole lot because that's just fighting ground and it makes me feel negative. So the comments on Facebook, I'll go over Facebook is it's like the bad part of town. You know, you only

go into bad part time daylight. So I look in the Facebook comments wonder like, hey, to tell me something good story. Otherwise again, you don't go into bad part time, don't. Yeah, And the people so just don't ever read the comments on any YouTube video. Is my advice to you people if you want to not be sad, are amazing behind the computer, amazing critics and amazing at what they do. So anyway, um, and so I try to read many

emails as possible. I sit in my room, I'm reading email out through email and a listener says, hey, you didn't say hi to me. You were a complete jerk. And I was like, man, I've never in my life that I know of like blown someone off. Ever, not one time in my life have I ever that I know of blown someone off like to to find like you see them and you would go the other way, or you don't say hi on purposes that what you mean by blowing or if somebody comes he goes hey Bobby.

I never like my show would not exist if it weren't for the people listening to it. And I know where my bread is buttered, and it's the people that listen to the show every day. Like so she says, hey, you didn't say hi to me. Actually you were a total jerk. And I was like, let me read this more into this, And so I replied back to her and said, hey, where because I was curious as to where I was a jerk was it wasn't. But she

never came up to me. She saw me in the same room and I'm gonna tell you I'm not Mr Gagarris. I'm not talking to everybody because I feel like, oh, I'm annoying. So she she didn't come up to me and say hi, and she sent me an email of the house. Since I wasn't walking around the room saying hid everybody. I was a complete I think dick was the word she used. And so she was like, uh, you really let me down. And so I said where

did we meet? What we didn't meet? I just saw you across the room, and so I replied back, I was like, oh, sorry about that. And my my cousin just died, So you didn't sorry, you really said this. I just wanted to make it kind of feel like she made me feel that's okay. Yeah, And then I replied back, I was like, Okay, I didn't die, but you didn't meet me. So I didn't think it was fair. But I let her sit on that because I died

email for like twenty minutes. Did I did? But that's interesting, like fan culture like they expected like and I'm not trying to be mean, but she thought you should have worked the room. I don't. I don't work room like that's hard. It's actually really hard to do that, like you know, work their own problems. But it's feels awkward, like you don't know that they want to meet you. That's the thing most people don't. Most people don't care. They're like the guy on the radio who cares Hey

and Bobby Bobby ponies in the radio. Would you like to meet me and get a picture? I would never do that, it's so awesome. Could you please do that? But I did. I would sent her a nice note after I let that one sit for a minute. I didn't think it was fun. I did laugh because I'm twisted and I know, I know, but it was me for anyway. It's getting hot in this room too, because it's like my house a hundred degrees. But I no no,

I say, hey, listen, I'm really sorry to happen. But if you would to hide to me next time, I would love to say hi and talk and take pictures or whatever whatever you want, like I don't anyway. Um, that's well, makes for the whole email about your cousin dying. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I didn't drink anybody. They didn't really die. Um, that's it. Mike. Is there anything that you've heard that you want to follow up on? No, I'm good. Yeah. Yeah.

I was just gonna say, like, if I wouldn't guess how old you were, I would say, oh my, I've never known you all my love forever. Yeah, you tell them, you'd be like, okay, thirty four. I would have got four. I hadn't I didn't know how old you were. I probably would have put it at about thirty one. Yeah, probably because I'm so wise. Yeah, you're like Gandoff from

What the Game with? No, Yeah, you're like Gandalf from Lord of the Rings one point five million dollars to be in the Facebook guy's wedding just to stand there, and he turned it down. All they asked because they did a theme and they offered the guy that plays Gandoff what you know, his name, sir Ian McClellan or whatever, one point five million dollars just to stand in costume, and he said, no, you don't want to do it. Wow.

That is kind of like, Wow, you must have a lot of money if you can say no to a million dollars or you're just old and don't care, or yeah, but he's probably both. Got Mike, is are what where we at? On time? Almost an hour? Okay, Kelly Bannett, thank you for hanging today. Thank you this Nashville life.

You can look at pictures and words, and you can listen to her podcast and really like check out the album and however you check it out and stream it, download it whatever, because in reality, you're gonna do whatever you're gonna do anyway out there listening. This is a landlock, my damn. And this is Cheap Sunglasses, which is the title track Cheap Sunless. I feel like we gotta go honest talk to you. I thank you. I do too. That was I think you kinda need to be a

little more um more confident with yourself. God. You know what, you're the second person that told me that today. Yeah, I also probably wouldn't say that. Back to that comment, you're you're well, no, well, you know what it's because it's the person that said it is like, you're, like, I think of Nada as so similar to you in a lot of what she said that to me earlier, because we were but we were having like serious talk and I was like baring my soul and she was like,

you need to be more confident. That will also cut you, like not as the closest thing to me. Like no, I think y'all are super similar and that's why when we fight, it's we can also wipe it away in like one second, it's like and then it's like, all right, we're we're nuts. Uh. There's also a cool um cover that Kelly did. Let it go, James Bay, come on you And I didn't know until I saw it again. You want to Pip and Joy hat and they was I, yeah, good, I like my Pimp and Joy hat. Thank you, Kelly,

thank you. I hope everything goes awesome for you. Let me throw it over to our announcer and out who's standing by ready to act. I'm ready to get us out of here. All right now it's back over to you all. Thanks Bobby. That's it for this week. What episode We're happened for the episode four other Bobby guests from Bobby's House. A guest today has been Kelly Bannon, your producers always, Mike d At, Mike d stro D, E E. S. T r oh on all of them. Hey, Kelly,

what's your name on all your stuff? Kelly Vannon. She spelled it so funny, though, I know my mom did that at K E L L E I G H B A N N E N oh my don't, my goodness. And then uh, I'm your host. He was your host, Bobby Bollings and thanks to our sponsor no one yet. All right, we'll see you next week on the Bobby Cast. Goodbye, everyone,