8-10: Bobby Cast Ep. 2

my house yesterday. If you're the radio show, I talked about it a bit where I came home and I couldn't drive all the way to my house because there were fire trucks everywhere. And when you see fire trucks, you never really assume it's at your place. You always assume it's at a place near you. And so especially living downtown, there are so many places that could have had a fire or something could have went wrong. Of course,

it's not my place that's being flooded. I mean, of all the places, it's not my place that has a fire is being flooded. And I get there and it's my place, and it wasn't me who did it. My neighbor who's doing construction banging on pipes, busted a pipe, flooded all the way down through many floors. Luckily I'm on the top floor and it came through the side of mine. So and I'll tell you what's happening there in a minute. But I just talked to some of the guys. One of the guys lost like a priceless

guitar to him, like his stuff is destroyed. Waters and everybody's floors and most of us have wood floors, and there's water underneath all the wood and it's starting to bubble and listen, it's not the end of the world. But the wall is a little bit annoying right now because they're like, hey, we have to get started on your place immediately if it can be saved. So it's

happening right now as we do this. Episode two is that there's a team of people that have decided to move into my bedroom and they put the humidifiers and fans and Matt's and they put it up against a wall. Hopefully I don't have to lose a wall. Hopefully I don't have to lose the floor. The floor is already starting to come up a bit, and so I was like, oh, great,

so it's gonna take about an hour or so. And they were like, but that's gonna take a week, and I'm like a week, Like how this is probably be real quiet though, Like like the fan that when you go to sleep, it's like and you know you got sleeping because you get that fan in the background. Yeah, and it's a very student I'm like, I can do that for a bit. I mean, I'll still watch Nick and nine, but I have that fan, that box fan, like I just have to kill And so they're like, no, no,

it's gonna be very loud. I'm like, well that's not good. I said, well, what if I go upstairs because I have bedrooms above that bedroom? And they say it's gonna be so loud it's gonna affect those bedrooms too. So then I'm not supposed to enter my bedroom for a week, which, by the way, I don't leave my bedroom at my house, so it's basically cutting off my house. I can't sleep in the bedrooms upstairs for now. I'm going to try to sleep on the couch in the living room, which

probably isn't going to work either. So in the end it will probably moved to a hotel for a week. You can never leave your bedroom. I don't leave my bedroom. I thought, I come here and here and you'll be like, I might see you one hour the whole weekend and you'd be like, in your bedroom, Hey Bobby, Hey Bobby, no answer. He must be sleep. But he's not sleep. He's just on the computer doing work. That's not bedroom.

That's not work. Hole. I don't need a place. It's any bigger than a tiny hotel room, Like I really don't need, didn't needything big. I believe it. And so anyway, that's Batman. That's what we're going through right now. Is what am I gonna do with my life for the next week? Uh So, I mean that's it. I got text this morning from Ahmad because as soon as the show is over, I came home and try to get a little bit of sleep because I've been out for the past a couple of days dealing with these kind

of issues, and they wake up and them. I was like, hey, you love me in and outside right right, I'm sitting outside. I'm just wanting to get in the house. But if you're not there, I can just chill on the on the porch over there and watch some game of Thrones. What time did you get to my placebably like okay, So Mike didn't get back over until win like ken, so you for about an hour and a half. You

but the porch is inside, by the way, in air conditioned. Luckily, somebody was downstairs and it was like, all that black dude is trying to get in the building. That's cool. And I was like, cheese, you know what's up. He's like cheeze, smiling. I had to show him Parley White. Yeah. Right. So he was like, you're trying to come in. I was like yeah, he could looked at me a little bit and I said, all right, thanks man. He let me in, So you got in. Got a one point?

Did anything happened with you being black? Like why would that we brought up in this? How about you just a dude? Well, he looked at me like I was black? But how do you know that? How do you know he looked at you like you were black? Because he was like you know how when you get the squeenny eye. Know, I don't know that because some people you look at and you like real bright eye, Like why dine and you're like, Oh, that's a cool dude. Then he looked

at me like, oh, he kind of suspicious. Maybe anyone trying to get into a place that they don't belong and I have the codes for regardless of race, you go, I wonder what their motivation is to get into this building. Because someone trying to walk up into the radio station, regardless black, white, hispanic, like I'm trying to get in, I'd be like, m squinny eyes. So I don't know that it was you being black. Maybe that's where I took it in my brain. Don't here he's here. We're

playing a show tonight. We're playing, uh the Raging Idiots are playing something called Guitarbecue. And by the time you hear this, it'll probably already be over. But we're playing Guitarbecque, which is we weren't supposed to do the show to begin with, like it was it's a big charity show. On the reason we did finally get involved is because

of the charity. Is because St. Jude and we you know, love Saint Jude, do so much for them, but Guitarbecue happens, and so they've got a lot of artists that are playing the show, and it's it's kind of weird on a bunch of levels. First of all, we're like Sandwich dry in the middle of a bunch of great artists. We're not a great artist group, Like we're just ridiculous. I don't think we are that great. But people have fun, right, But this is a show where you're going to be

surrounded by really great artists. And it's not like they put us up front. You know, they put you know, new people up front, like Chris Lane. He's got number one hit right now, he's the first. Brandy Clark really good. John Party have a number one song next week, had over Boots. It's third. Then we go after John Party, so we'll be fourth, only followed by Dustin Lynch and Kit More and so everybody's playing for thirty minutes and it's like we come out. We're not gonna try to

win vocalists. These guys can't really sing, so we're just gonna go nuts. But we're opening for them, though it's not really open. If anything, we have four people playing before us. I mean, if anything, everybody's opening for Kip, but I mean it keeps not the strongest headliner for something like this, right, because because the place is big, So then you feel like people will be looking at

us like we less talented. Oh no, no, for sure less talented, but we gotta be super crazy, Like that's the point we gotta make up for Like when we do raging, it is shows people love them because then people know it would expect um. So we we're only playing thirty minutes too, so about them. We were just getting into our groove. We gotta get all stage you, right,

So what song do we start with? Though? Like that's the question that I've been going to because some people will be like, who, why why do people even playing? I mean you might as well hit them with the

Starbucks at the beginning. I can't start with that because we all need our instruments to start, like we need to play and do you want to and everybody else's do you know if we're gonna say we're not gonna take yourself seriously, then we should start with a cover because nobody likes to do covers because everyone thinks it's uh,

who wants to do a cover? Because I'm original? So I was thinking, like we start with Beastie Boys and just freak everybody out oh, I mean that would be always a good star based two boys you gotta fight go Beastie Boys. Then when I grow up, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that would would hit them hard because they get all hype and then they'll be like, I heard what the raging Nidia is talking about, because we play Beastie Boys anymore, nobody but everybody's still rock the Beasti Boys though they

still know it. So right now I'm leaning towards that Beastie Boys. Then when I grow up, then Devil went down to Georgia when nat Lee stove Ball. Then we do a thing like Pentatonics. It's called the Panasonics. It's like the bad version of Pentatonics where we go all like a all of we throw that at him, where we make it the face like vocals up with our whole,

like voices like instruments. Yeah, let's acapella, no instruments. Boom boom boom doom bood do do do but like that boat do your part boat the boat at the boat boat boat the boat at the boat to boat bo boat boat your partner A little bit bot, I got a warmm well over down, don't really digs on me? Who yeah, I got a warm up. Well over down, she really digs on me. Who yeah, you really take

me money? Okay? Cool, So that's the whole thing. Now looks like seven of us doing it and we're all making and my part on you, now my part, she really digs on me. Don't you really digs on me? I like that hard of it and she really digs on me. She really digs on me. Say, we're playing that tonight, okay, uming with that little penis on it. Then we'll do Starbucks and then we'll probably do it. Every day is a good day. We'll probably do all right.

So that's tonight and it's what we weren't gonna play the show. You're gonna have with that purple rain too. I don't think have time. No, we have thirty minutes. We'll see that again. We only have thirty minutes, right, And as long as Linda gets a song, Natalie gets a song, Regge, you get to get a couple of songs, that's it. That's over right, So you don't want everybody? Yeah, uh, we are planning this event tonight. And we got added kind of lake because they needed to sell tickets. I

don't think tickets on super great. They were like, hey, we come on, so what why do you give me a side eye? Damn, They're doing okay. I think I just think the venue is a little too big. I think they got my grandmoa. You said the eyes are bigger than their belly. Yeah, okay, and so but I think they're doing pretty good now. They we don't when they put up that when they put up that bat sign, that Bobby signs. I don't know if that's the case. I think it help. I think I think that I

think it helped. Our people are just so loyal to us, like so let us are people are so loyal to us. I don't even know why, but like we played in four wayn and we we played for two hours because people come on the play show, we just take our phones out and start learning songs as we go. If it wasn't for Saint Jude, and if it wasn't like our people are just so loyal to us. And I was like, I know, people buy tickets as soon as we go up because it's for a good cause. We're

happy to be involved. But it's just weird being surrounded by all the real artists because we don't get sider ourselves like a legitimate music will act. We're more of an entertainment show, right, But isn't it all about entertainment, but most entertainment because you're a good musical act. Like I considered myself the Puffy of the Raging Idiots. Take that. Take that, like, I bring together all the good talent because I don't think I have what they called lead singer?

Does he? I don't have to sing lead singer all time? But Puffy did put out a bomb album though, no way, and so did I. Right right, But but once everybody gets up there, I don't care who sings, right, I might sing a third of the songs. I feel you. I mean, I witnessed, I saw it. It's been weird for Ahmad because of my We're just coming to hang out on the road with us for four or five shows. Yeah, more than that. Even he would just he would just fly in and just hang out and surprise you guys.

Sometimes I was coming to shows and be like what's up? Like what wait, We're in Washington, d C. Why are you here? Just come to hang out? And so I was like, hey, put up on microphone just sing background, and he was like really, yeah, I just think you know who at the Rhyman Actually, yeah, the first one, that's right. We played this hold that ryme. I was like, hey, well, I know you were saying before, but just get me

athing back for us. That's how we do anything. And he's like all right, and you know it's like baby I love you. Wait, just you know, just give a little bit of something like baby I love now. I was like part of the show, like you might as well be on the album cover man all I was like, you want me to go on this legendary country stage and dance and singing Starbucks with you hip hop? Okay, that's weird. I never thought I would be doing that

strange Starbucks. I'll be feeling cup on the Rhyman stage. I'll be feeling one more cut. So we're playing tonight, we are. I got a lot of message after the first Bobby cast, like, hey, you didn't mention na Um when I was talking about everybody on the show. And I guess a lot of that comes from we were talking about people that got written about in the book

and people that didn't. And Carlos who used to work on the show doesn't work on the show anymore, and what happened with that, and Noddy got left out of last week because she kind of didn't fit in that conversation. Oddly, we talk about we talked about them, about Carlos right now, I talked about last week. Wow, what we talk about. You should listen to the Bobby Cast Episode one. All I said was it's tough to be a boss and

a friend at the same time. Bobby realness. It was yeah, Well, because people asked about it, and I've answered the question ten times. And first people were like, why didn't you write about Carlos in the book? And I was like, I don't write about anybody that didn't make the move in the book, Like I gotna put Erica in the book, and I'm put Noda in the book. He's part of the show. Now, I'd put Carlos in the book. And

then people are like, what happened with Carlos? And I was like, basically, Carlos was a really great friend and a good worker, but Ray simply outworked him over the period of a year a year and a half and I had to choose one person to move there was better for the entire show, Like who the better at that job was? And I had to choose Ray, and it was really hard because I didn't know Ray, and

Ray wasn't like a really close friend. He had just been an intern, but he was dominant at his job, and so for the best interest of the show, I had to bring in the best person. And so Ray came and Carlos stayed and kept a job in Austin. And so then I said, how Carlos left and might d to Carlos's job, and the plan was always hopefully eventually bring Carlos to Nashville if we could find a spot for him. Well, Carlos left and Mike de goes and then we do end up finding a spot we

move might d over to Nashville. Felt that so it was just, I mean the honest part, like Carl's a really good dude, but he didn't really have that like big ambition to go further or what. I don't know what's in his heart or his head, but I know

Ray his nuts. And Ray will like work a hundred hours straight and as an intern, rageous outworked everybody and you should be rewarded for that, especially when everyone else is being affected like what Ray does affects Amy Lunchbox everybody's pay checks, and you just have to put the best people in the best situations. And so that that's what I explained last week. Okay, I had never heard that. Okay,

that Bobby Catt getting real y'all getting that real nous. Well, just we don't get to talk as long form during the morning joke because we gotta play a song. Yeah, then we got to a commercial. And most people don't care about Carlos if they're not Austin or what you're talking because all that we have a hundred cities now they don't even know who that is. But with the with the podcast, you can talk about whatever you want. If somebody want to hear, they just turn it off.

It's not like their ratings or anything that makes sense. But no, I got I mean nothing. I have not zero negative things to say about Carlos. It was a good friend because back in Austin we used to go hard. But it was just sometimes it sucks being a boss and a friend because you have to tell your friends tough things. Sometimes you think you take it personal. Absolutely, why you say, I mean, that's the normal thing to do,

It's the human thing to do. It's harder to not take it personally when someone who's in your life personally is telling it to you. And it was like, it's like, you're not getting fired, but the show is moving to Nashville and you're gonna stay and produced here, no pay cut, nothing like that. But Ray has taken a spot and here's why. And it was it sucked. And if I was a boss that wasn't friends with everyone, it would have been much different. I just gonna said, abc D,

here's your job, We're out. But it wasn't. It was tough. Had he tried to reach out to you after that, nah, not really did tweet sometimes some people tweet him, but and I just felt like it wasn't an issue to bring up. I don't want to bring it up and put his business out there, so I just didn't. I didn't say anything in respect to him. But then he was tweeting about it. I was like, I think I saw a couple of those tweets too. Yeah, So it's like, I mean, if you want to bring it up, I'll

at least address it. And I have a few times, like on Facebook live and stuff, and never on the radio radio radio, because again I still think that it's a great dude, But it would have been hard to not take it personally if one of your friends says, hey, you know you're gonna stay here and we all have to go, and because this person has done But again,

look at Ray. What if you're Ray and you're working your brains out and you've worked for a year for free, and you've dominated and done three times the work as whomever else any producer there, and you didn't get picked to go like he just simply worked his way into where he is now. Right, So uh yeah, Like I said, it's hard to be a boss and a friend. And most of the time I just get to be the friend. Percent of the time I get to be the friend.

Fifteen percent of the time, it's tough on I have to pull somebody in the room and say this isn't working, you can't do this, or I guess we talked last the show cast. Um that's the guy work in the my bedroom right now. If I'm yelling in the background, um is that? Um, I don't even know. Most of the time is trying to be just a boss and a friend. But let me ask you this, So being a boss plus a friend, how do you even direct

people without offending people. You can't worry about it. There's just a line, and Amy is the absolute best at accepting that line. And Amy's my best friend on the show. Eddie's climbing up there because we're together so much, but but Amy's probably I'm close. It's close between those two. It's hard to even not just to say it's straight, because I mean, I've been so close for so long, but Eddie and I've just been so much time together. Um,

it's just okay, we're great friends. But I also have to run a company in the company of our morning show on a hundred affiliates that builds a bunch of the money for we have to make a revenue. And you know, it's all funny games, but you have to understand when I have to be the boss, it's I have to be the boss. And if it's if you're coming in, and Amy's great about going, Okay, you can't

do this anymore. You know you can't do this. Then we get researching and it'll say these segments aren't working that well. And she's great about the separator of the two. Everybody else has problems. Sometimes he goes like, how can you be my friend? And then say you gotta stop doing this because but people come to me like Rod, my boss is a good friend, but there's a there's friend time, and I know there's boss time where he has to put the boss hat on and be like, Okay,

this is not good, so fix it. And I'm like got it, Like I understand it. But I don't think that I expect anything from any single person on my staff that I don't expect from myself. Double you expect a laugh from yourself, like I'm for sure. Leader by example? Do you do you feel like that you explain a lot of things that you want to happen to your

friends as of all. Sometimes I feel like sometimes I want them to find their own groove and if they can't find their group naturally, because everything's natural because nobody's radio people, not ever as the radio people, so it's not like, hey, you need to do this in a radio way. Sometimes I like them to find their own way they don't even know they could find. I feel that's what you do. Yeah, Everybody kind of finds their

path and you go off of that. And I like to find what people are good at and then build the roads for them because I know what Amy's good at and I know where she comes from the heart, so I try to put her in those spots where she's showing that she is great at and put her situations to thrive, you know. Same with lunch Box, same

with Eddie. And there are places where they go on places where it's not good, and so I just try to keep them from there, trying to put people in the best situations for those hard times when like bosses have to like tell somebody exactly what they want, and bosses have to like direct them and inspire them, like do you feel like you're good at that? Or no? Very occasionally, because if you do it too much, it doesn't matter anymore. You can only inspire so many times

before it just becomes another allow of talk. It's like getting angry someone yells at you all the time, there's another day yelling. But if someone yells at you once a year, you're like, holy God, what did I do? All right? Like what did I do? So it's that you just have to choose your emotions very carefully because with me, period of my life, it's never too high, never too low. Things are never that great, things never that bad. As far as work goes, never too good,

never too bad. If you can maintain that middle, you're always gonna be consistent. Consistency is a key. So that's the thing. I like people to find their own place and then we build from that. And when it's time to inspire, and I'm talking about once twice a year, if we have one of those big talks, it's it's and it's almost time to have another one of those. And it's always when it's kind of a reset for

the show. You're getting back into it, when school starts and you know, you have ratings happening and um or you're going away for the summer, you know. But if you do it, if you inspire every day, it's just more words, just more emotional words, and just go in and out the other. I don't impact, like I don't ever get angry, Mike. Do I ever get angry? But when I do, like people like WHOA, because I don't, because I don't get angry, because I'm never too high,

never too low. So I lead by example and then now when it needs to be done, it's done. Like like I've had talks, Mike, and individually more than you, I don't really get everybody into a room, because as a boss you have to look at people differently and realize their temperaments are different, and their emotions are different, and they take positive and constructive criticism differently. So everybody gets talked to separately, like if we have talks, and

so it's, uh, that's how it is. I don't put everybody in a gymnasium and get on the microphone like give me give I felt that. But they're so many different managerial styles. I just decided that when I was gonna put together a group of people, not a group of radio people. And people are all different. You have to handle people different, Dan, that's gotta be tough as a friend and a boss. It's the it's the biggest struggle of the show of being a friend and a

boss because I can't bring someone in. It's not my friend, Like nobody comes through the walls. It's not my friend. And people asked by Nata, which is where we were? Um the thing when Nada, I didn't know Nada. I never hired Nada. We were here for a year. I still didn't hire Nada. But what happened and not as my friend, just like Ray did not showed up on her very first day, I was like, hey, I'm here

to help. She had never been on the radio. She had only done digital, like worked on the web stuff, right, like built web graphics and stuff. And so she's like, hey, I might help web graphics. You guys are a new show. So she would come in the morning, and she's coming again the next morning. Did she come in the next morning like I can't pay you, like we don't have

a budget. She would do it for free for a year and three months a year and three months now came in and she came in every day for free, and then only that did the rest of her job all day long, like she had a real job and that building doing digital. What was she trying to prove? Not think she was just wanted to She enjoyed being a part of the show. Wanted to be a part of the show. After she was there for like a month and she's like, this is a great environment and

I can do it. And I realized her importance and how good she was. So that's where that's what happened. So she worked for over a year and then how do I not go to bad for somebody that isn't And another thing is too I might say this here, I've taken money from my pay my contract and pass

it out to our show. Because only times whenever there aren't raises, like on our level of the company, Like it's like we're not there are no raises, right, there's no you know whatever, the fiscical coal I don't even know what's happening, but like we don't know this. And in contracts, you signed contracts and that's just what you get. You don't get raises after you signed a contract, like if I was signed a contract for five years, unless the raisors are built in, you don't get a raise

because you just signed a contract. And when I signed a contract, my first one is a five year contract and then a few years into that. But I don't go and ask for a raise inside of a contract because I've already signed a contract and that tells me what my raisors is going to be already, So I don't go to them and go, you know, I signed this deal, but is there any way maybe you break

me off flow extra, That's not how it works. But what I've been able to do is take my money that I've been paid and if people are deserving taking and go cut it off of mine and put it into them. How do you feel like they're deserving? How do you tell? How do you how do you say? Do you tell it? Do you do? You divvy it up all the same time. If you're given one person a raise, you give everybody a raise? Are you just

because I don't think the world like that? Like I think never like after you know, this is Ray's first ever radio job. He was an internal til he moved here, and he was getting paid nothing. It was this first ever job and he was coming in as the audio producer and he was getting paid very very little. And he signed contract because you have signed contract, meaning so you don't run off to another radio station. And so he signed a contract and he wasn't gonna paid it.

So I was like, all right, you've deserved. You deserve more than your contract right now. So I'm gonna take and some of my money that's my salary, and give it to you. And I've done that pretty much everybody on the show. If they're if, I feel like they've worked into it. But I can tell you the truth is I signed a contract when I moved here, and I outperformed my contract, according to my boss, is pretty quick, and they were like, Okay, rip it up, new deal, and I signed a new deal they let me. So

I think people. I always believe in paying people what they're worth, and sometimes over what they're worth if in the long term, like it makes them feel respected and it keeps them working harder. So I mean, I mean, I feel like this is like business fonsophy that could probably prove wrong in ten different points, but it's how we worked. But I never got tired of the morning show. It's like I never went to someone and said, hey, you teach me how to do the morning show. I

started doing it. So I don't know anything other than what I know, and my show doesn't anything other than what they know and what I know. So it's not like we have and I say this in the way of that it's not like we don't know a lot of things because we won't haven't been exposed a lot of things. You know, there's some great morning shows out there, like Olvis Duran who worked with some great morning show people. Uh like Charlotagne worked with Wendy Williams, so she was

doing morning like he learned things from these people. I don't crap. And then sometimes why the show comes off is really rough and uh not polished, but at the same time that that's what makes us different as well. It's stay done. That makes sense. I know what you're talking about, because sometimes I'm like, that don't sound like Charlottemagne breakfast club type of thing to say, But well we're not Charlotte Magne breakfast Club of course, and not

they hip how your country? And it's weird that Charlottagne are probably the closest to of all the talent and all the I heart like the hip hop and the country show. We go on each other's shows. Actually, I didn't see that interview when you was on there. They was trying to kill you about saying what's up to what's her name? And they were trying to grow me on anything. But you can't grow me like I just say what I feel like. Dean Sanders said to me, say what do you see? That's all you can do.

If you always just say we just see them, you have to about Lyine because you've always just said what you know. You can't cut in the life. You're always tell them what you see? Right. They got a little bit more fresh Bobby there. They Bobby had the hat sideways on that he had a little slang, a little sl yeah, yeah, Bobby bones you. I don't think that's

true that you know. I think this is like when you thought the guy thought you were a black so they wouldn't let you in the building the interview when it was a good interview. But I will say this about my hat when I wear a little bit sideways. Do you know why wear my hat sideways because Eminem does it? No, that's not why, okay about Eminem. When I have my big black glasses on, I'm sorry, my big darker glasses on. Now, when my big black glasses, I can't wear a normal hat down because it hits

the glasses. So I gotta turn it just a bit so I can at least pull it down to normal hat level. So I don't do that when I'm wearing like these small glasses, okay, And that's why were my hat backward a lot of times if I'm on stage with those big glasses, so I don't look like I'm trying to the Eminem on stage. So it's really just I wear big glasses. Everybody always wants to sign rolls to people what they're trying to do. It's not even

the case. I was just saying, just so happen. When I saw him on Charlotte Main his hat was down because I had big glasses on. But I had seen you a lot of times before you went on Charlotte Magne, and I never saw your hat download like jay Z. It wasn't download like jay Z. Though a little back to the side, a little bit lower than it normally. Was Okay, whatever you want to think. Okay, that was a fun interview, and they were places that you know,

no interviewers ever taken me. I liked it. It was fun. You should check it out of y'all. Don't hear that? Yeah, it's not a breakfast clothed website. And then, uh, but y'all, I mean, I don't think I got crazy slang, but I do feel like a little bit. It's like when I go, like, give an example, I go back home, my Southern accent comes out. I already have a Southern accent.

If I go back to Arkansas and I see my family a little bit, talking like this a little more, you know, it's just how I talk, just how you know, you go back home and you talk like this, it's like your eyes your eyes and we get some watch powers and you know, to go down. You know, that's how I grew up talking only two years of speak pathology, I still haven't shaken all my accent, but I lost a lot of it because I knew that to be on the rady, it would have to be in a

lot of places. Now, where I grew up, there were some white folks, there were some black folks. So I felt and I feel the most comfortable around black people, like and so just like when I back home, it felt kind of like I was back home again, and so it was like, Okay, well, I guess I'll just kind of slide a bit into my back home accent, Okay, because y'all was giving me a hard time when I was ordering at a mom a. No, no, no, here's different.

I don't think that's different. Different because where I grew up, I grew up with a lot of black friends. And you go up a lot of black friends, you hang out with your friends, you start talking like your friends a little bit. Now, I didn't do it a lot because I was a little white kid. But yeah, you were talking to a waiter that was Asian and you tell Japanese, I like, okay, yeah, Asia, okay. He said, you never lived in Japan and you were trying to

speak Japanese. So he and he was like what you like and I'm I said, I want told me so, and I like, all, you can't do that. Yes, no, he yes, he did that. And I called Hi out on the table and I was like, you can't do that. That's not the same thing. Like when I was hanging with Searlemagne, Envy and Angela, it was kind of like I was back home again. So I think it kind of slipped back into how I used to be in

high school a bit. But that was kind of like you was talking like them, so they could talking like them. I was talking like I felt comfortable talking. It took me back to how I used to probably talk a bit. You never talked like you were Japanese. Well yeah, I mean my sister she was in the Navy. So I went to go visit in Okinawa one time and they was talking about that and I was like, it was like two months. So I got that agent. I got that agents, but it's not the same thing. That the

same thing. But that's like if I go to like a real Mexican restaurant sometimes older in Spanish, you feel me just one time for ten days, but the way it was like he kind of respected me. No he did not, because I got my food first and you ordered first. No, no, because I was like, did you order first? Did you order first? Order first? But everybody didn't even get their food and it was also soup, and you got the soup first, which is probably just

the big bowl of soup. Back there, he poured something else in because yeah, no, no, I felt like he was like there are times though, when I call an Asian restaurant and you want to talk in the accent because of the answer, and it's really thick, and I don't want to do the accent because I don't. I don't better go boy and racist. They're like, I'll do it like um um, like curb with the frog as curb with frog here. Oh thanks for going for Chinese food.

I want to be like, oh, like some chicken and drug please you so, but just insert whatever accent you're calling from, the regardless of its Indian food. But you do feel that need. But am I did it so blatantly in public? I was stunned and I yelled a lot, but it was red. It went wrong with it. Watch your face get red, but by my face is brown, so you can't really see. No, you know, your face definitely got red. But I was saying, why would you even say that if I didn't think anything wrong with it?

That waiter didn't think anything was wrong with it. Now the way it was just like it was his first day. Okay, if you think that, And so why is it racist if you make an accent? I don't think it is. But it's like, why even because if one person starts going that's racist, it wasn't worth it wasn't worth the joke,

Like it's just not something. It's like we used to do street things all the time, like stunts on the streets all the time, and it became if we do fifteen stunts and fourteen them were successful and we get in bad trouble for one, it wasn't worth it. So we just stopped doing them. And so there are things that just aren't worth it because if just one time someone goes that's a racist, or if someone goes that's dangerous, or you get in trouble or you get it's just

not worth it. So a lot of it's picking you to risk spots and something. It's just not worth it, Like for me to make that joke on a podcast, which is gonna there's no reason for me to make that joke on a podcast and put it out there for someone to cut up and go listen to him being racist. So I just come with the frog, right, But I wouldn't think it was a joke. It would

just be you imitating what you heard, fair enough. But it's only takes one person to think that and to start saying that you don't want to be called a racist and listen, I mean, yeah, you know what I have people say I ain't a racist. I wall I aint a racist, and so it's just it's just not worth it. I never say I'm not a racist, That's what I'm saying. I don't say it either. It's like, you know what, I never say too, And I'm always best friends. I never go I got a black friend.

People who say that, Yeah, people who say that are always like the people are like, right, why you gotta highlight the you got a black friend. Why can't you just have a friend. Right, But the man does bring a lot of self racism on himself. Oh you think so? Oh yeah, for sure where this is what I see in life, though I think you see it in a

lot of ways that I don't see it. Obviously we're from different places, but a little bit, just a little bit, like I don't come from a completely white town full of all white people where we had classes and we just studied about white things. We go to places like Alabama University of Alama, and I was like, I can't walk outside everyone I love people looking at me, like, why is this black guy doing here? I'm like, there

are ten thousand other black people walking around campus. But in mind it's also super ripped up, so they could just it's not the fact that he's black. He's like, I don't know about that. I think they're looking at me because they like another person looking at me with a different skin color. I'm gonna say Caucasian, and I'll be like, why are you gotta be looking at me like that? But Bobby, right this, I mean, why are you not looking at But why can't they look at you?

Because you are built like not You're a monster. You're like a bodybuilder. If you walk by and you had a tanktop on, I would stare at you and I'll be going did that. Dudes, cut up and you'll be going, just dude, look at me because I'm black. Every two different things. That's what I think, right, But you shouldn't.

Maybe you shouldn't light But I have the same I have the same problem, not about race, but probably with I think how maybe girls will procee because I think every girl's like I this guy already ugly dude, what you're saying, But is that really what's happening. Probably not all the time. Sometimes, probably are some people probably looking at you going when it was black dude. Occasionally probably more than okay, well the probably more than not. Girls

looking like I've never that guy's ugly. I don't know about that exactly exactly. I don't know about that. We live in America, check mate, check mate. I'm just saying there's some similarities there. He's not exactly correct. Well, that's all I mean about that. When I talked to him later, do you Ahma did not like Charlett Mane for the longest time because Charlemaine he was always talking negative and that's what he was getting his his following from, like

a negative conversation about some talking putting people on spots. Right, But he was like attacking people, like when he attacked Kanye. He want to get a rise out of here. He went after Kanye because he felt like nobody goes after Kanye, and there were many things he wanted to know, and so he just said if I want to know, And it wasn't attack, it was just what everybody wanted to ask him. You don't go after people you don't get You don't go at people to get a rise out

of him. Charlotte Mane intentionally goes at the I think once he sees that he can, people are weak enough to get a ride. But listen to me saying that talking about Charte man doing this would be so hypocritical, because I do. I get rises out of people too. You're just something in different ways, different level, different for type. Um. But then now, I mean, would you say you're a fan? No, I mean I wouldn't say I was a fan because

he's your homie, like one of my best friends. Then I would be like, and if one of my best friends is another best friend, I'm like, okay, they're my friend. To a friend of my friend is my friends. So that's why I would like I have a picture in my hallway of Charlottagne and I together doing a broadcast together, because to me, it means a lot, because it's like one of the and now we've done each other show so many times, and you're not gonna be someone more

honest in the whole world. It is a period good or bad than Charlottagne. Like he's just gonna say how he feels all the time at dinner or on the radio, and so I respect that, and I think it's kind of why we bonded with each other that y'all speak on the truth at all times. We try to be as authentic as possible all the time, as genuine as possible, and we both have I would say weakness is we both have areas that we rely on each other for help. We call each other. What does he rely on you

for him? Probably? Uh, I would say, relies the world. But hell call Okay, I guess this business thing that should handle this because you're a little bit more business savvy than he is. Used I wouldn say savvy is the word. I think I've just done it. I started and had to build my own company from the very beginning, and he came up a different way. He came up as a side like person. For Wendy got his own really good at that, got his own show, you know,

started show here like I was. I was writing contracts at twenty one years old, so I've known how to do that stuff by doing it wrong and failing. And I can give advice that way, But for me, I'll be like listen. UM. An example recently was I did an interview and I got some trouble for it, and I was like, hey, read this and tell me what you think, like where I should have what comes off wrong to you? And he read it and was like,

this is what I probably would have done. Um, I'm not you, but just looking at and I looked to his opinion for that. So I think we rely on to a lot of ways like I looked. I looked for him. Whenever i'm it starts to pull, I get pulled back from keeping a real Sometimes I like, oh, I kind of I just have to be honest all

the time. And if I feel like something is starting to inside of me not feel that way, I'll call and be like, let's I'm not feeling something, And he gives me that kind of inspiration to be like, it doesn't matter, you just have to be real, because once you're not, nobody's ever gonna trust you again. And I feel the same way. But sometimes I need that kick in the butt. I mean, I was trying to figure out so you rely on him for inspirational type stuff.

I just see we're very similar in many ways, and so he'll he'll do something and I'd be like, all right, how did you do that? Or I'll do something to be like, dang, how did you do that? Now he's writing a book about to announce soon, and he called. We talked multiple times. Guy, I just went to the whole process, and so yeah, we'll we'll talk business. He'll

call me like, hey, are you thinking about this? And then uh, for me, I'll be like, hey, I got this artist that I really can't stand, but they got a huge record. And then I'm getting pressure to do this and everybody wants and he's like, you just listen. You geting pressure, but you gotta keep it real, like do what's in your heart, regardless of what anybody's saying to you, what you're always going to do with I

feel like percent of the time I do. Sometimes pressure from places start pushing on you, even from your own bosses. At times pressures. There are pressures because you never get pressure. And sometimes he's like, you can't let the pressure get you. Don't pressure, you should have it within yourself. And I'm like, and and I do that, and I get the reset. I think we all need somebody like that we can rely on. That makes sense? Yeah, So yeah, at first I was like, I don't know. I don't like the

way he treat people. I don't like the way you try to interview people. But now I'm like, if Bobby's friends, obviously he legits, so whatever, where my my room? This the second ever? Bob? How do you feel about this? Feel good? So, just hanging out at Bobby's, I was talking, how's it? Because you and I've been friends and people ask how we met. I guess I was working out

at twenty four Fitness that's right two in Austin. Yeah, and I was probably mentioned like one day hard dude and Mike and I was like, damn, I can't work out with you. And now I was like, you know, I like to keep it heavy, and he's like, okay, And so I think I had really like twenty five ex side always and I was like he he pushing away I was really trying if I wasn't that good at it yet, and so um um, I hired him

to be my trainer. And so you trained me for a few months, and then we started hanging out and then talking about hanging out. Then we became buddies and then friends. I mean in that order, because I'm tough to warm up too. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I mean, I wouldn't I would disagree with that. I mean he was always cool, like he was always chill,

like I was like, that's just a regular dude. He was always chill, funny, making jokes that you always are right now, same as the same thing, same as you do right now. I appreciate that. Yeah, it was the same that. Maybe my perception is wrong. I felt that. See, yeah that's true. Maybe it's wrong. I mean, I feel you. But I feel like people be looking at me like

why is that for the black dude? But and I always talk to be like like like girls, be like like the nerdy guy, or you know what I get a lot is people that don't know me in the industry or around Nashville, Like I did said a dick, look what I'm sitting there by himself. You know what I'm saying by myself because I feel awkward. I felt awkward in these places, like I don't do well in social situations, so I'm not Mr Life for the party.

That's something that I did not figure out until later on that you were really like anxiety written I don't. It makes me nervous and my heartbeats and I don't sleep and around people, I'm like, oh I do. I don't have good communication skills, like outside of microphone. Yeah, that was hard core for me to realize. I was like, wow, these just like staying the corner. Why is he not just chilling out like with everybody else? Why is he not just talking? And he was just like in the

corner the whole time. And so a lot of people look at me and they go, he's black, and I'm like, no, I'm just anxiety, right, But no, it's again, I think people get that perception of me, and uh, you know, it is what it is. You can try to shake it the best you can't. I think I've gotten better

at it. Right. That's like a chick that you see and she's just like all beautiful and whatever, and she's probably the nicest person ever, and you miss out and you're like, dang, But really, we all go, oh, she's pretty, she's probably be Really it's not fair. But I think what we're talking about is very human. I think we all have these in our brain. We assigned roles to people without going into them any further. Yes, we need to stop that. Until today, I don't even know you're black.

That's the funny thing. No idea, that no idea. Because I've been black long, I didn't even know that. I'm not even like light skinny. I didn't know that I'm like dark dog. That It's it's been weird to you for all your kids. I mean, you're talking about a big group of your friends. Me, I was the first one, and you kind of came into our group because of me. Huh, yeah, totally. And but then we all left right like I like,

because I took all my friends with me. It was like I wasn't taking this job in Nashville, which, by the way, I love Nashville. Now I love Austin too, um, but I wasn't coming here without all my friends. That was part of the deal. And so when I took him, it was like the troops moved out. We just took everybody said, dang hardcore, like all by myself in Austin. Was that weird for you? Oh man? Big time weird. I was just like, what am I going to even

do on the weekends? Who am I even gonna call nobody? Nohing, I'm not going to do nothing, just chick at the house. But myself, well, now you're here every week now, or you're on the road every week, or you're with us all the time. You came back, you came back and got me. Has it been weird to watch kind of the show? Oh man? The evolution to growth, it's been crazy weird. And at first it was like, oh man,

the show is all different. When you hear from Austin and you here here in Nashville and you're like, oh now they switched it all up. We don't even like it. But now it's just like regular. Everybody's still nothing really changed, but it sounded like it when it left from all just because you thought it was going everyone just assumed it was going to So again we went and put the label on it like it changed. But I ever worked in many formats, even when I was doing sports.

Nothing's different. I'm always me right. It was just tough because everybody was feeling like they was giving you a hard time in Nashville, and you was acting like people was like, I mean, actually they were. The people were pushing you, trying to push you out and stuff out there. They were and they still do it. But I've been trying to get pushed out everywhere, like I'm used to that,

and then it did. It seemed like you was a little bit like trying to get your groove on in Nashville too, But you couldn't really find it at first. I don't know that fully found it yet, but I found it a bit o a bit okay, you don't even feel like you found it yet, not fully yet. I don't know that I ever will find it. If I ever do find it, I don't think that's a comfortable place for me to be, okay. But did you ever feel like you found your groove in Austin? So

that was a great place. I was there ten years and there was there wasn't the pressures of now, Oh you know, I built my own to the cage company with my own money and I had no money, like you know where I used other than the Ny apartment about my first house, you know, I mean that was crazy, like Dana Shay bid from the ground. So we started from the bottom, and so are you here yet? No, never, I'll never be started from the bottom, still getting start

from the bottom, down in the middle. That's not a good sun. Should have put that out of sun. Start it started, started, started from the bottom, in the middle, started from the bottom. Not a whole team mint, But yeah, it's been a I can't wait till you find a groove. Then that's my group. My group is not having a groove. But in Austin you found your group because everybody, that's why you blew up there. Here's the thing about a

groove in Austin. As I got like, okay, well this is it is easy now, like I had done what I could do there, like there wasn't anything else. We were number one for ten years. What there was not there was nowhere to go. I love it in the city there, but I was told, and I won't mention any jobs, but if this person leaves, you'll go to this place. This person needs to go to this place. And they both signed new contracts, major, big, big people. And I was stuck and I was like, what do

I do because I'm expanding show. I built my own syndication company. That's what they told you when you was in Austin, if this person leaves, you're gonna stuff. But but for me, I loved being in Austin, but it was almost impossible to syndicate from there, especially with my own equipment and so and they we're like, hey, um, and I wanted to do country anyway because I mean, listen to me talk. I mean, I grew up in Arkansas.

It's probably overall the best format. I love all music, like all music, but overall it's the best format for me to be in because I can expose new artists and talented artists and put them on the radio. And that I'm seeing you can't do that pop. It was just difficult. I mean, you can't do that. And here's the other thing too, is that if you want to be on a national level, you have to be in New York, l A. Or in country in Nashville because that's where all the stars are. It wasn't even about

me so much. In Austin. You've got people maybe they would come to the radio station once a month maybe, and you had to beg them, and it was someone like Ashley Simpson. You know, m here. Everyone is here, so I'm able to say, hey, come in, let me. If you're new, let me, let me expose you and blow you up. If you're big, let me show people why you're you're as good as you are. Why would that work here and not Austin because because the artists,

every artist lives here. This is where the entire industry of country music is. Every label, every recording studio, the artist I can just call, like I could call Keith THRP. But I go, hey, dude, would you come play You're Blue with Paper Color on the show next week? It were like, sure, no problem to drive twenty minutes and play at the show. So Austin doesn't have as many artists for pop none, they have none none. That makes sense.

And at first I was like, what if I just staying Austin to the country show And they were like, you're just not gonna get what we need you to do. And now I fully get it. I understand. And what's great is Nashville is also great because if I had to move to somebody somewhere and I don't know what came to name a city that would be bad, but somewhere super cold, I guess would be awful. That's not New York because I would have moved to New York. Um,

there has been a different story about that. So anything else in your mind that makes sense. So, I mean, who's your favorite country artist of all time? Darius Rutger, Well, of all time, it's Garth Brooks. Oh, that's your favorite? For real? Like of my lifetime? Easy Garth Brooke. That's the only guitar really I've kept. Am I that someone gave me. Um, easy Garth Brooks. We gotta wrap up pretty quickly. Got goot guitar picku but easy Garth Brooks.

Like are you asking? Um? The one that you've interviewed like a real person? Uh, Darius is different. Thus Darius my first ever radio interview when I was seventeen. Okay, Yeah, and he's a friend, Like, that's my dude. I don't care if he wasn't in music anymore, he would still we would still will be in contact and text and talk about sports and like that. He's just so I mnna eliminate him too because it was a prior relationship.

Garthm all time favorite as a kid gotta eliminate him because I was totally biased coming in, Like I'm the biggest Garth Brooks fan, and he's been so nice to me. Uh like, I really like Dirk's as a person. Nice. Keith Urban super nice. Like then, Keith Urban so nice that you wonder what's like, what's happening here? Like you're always nice, genuinely nice, genuinely nice. And we'll like text me like eight pm and be like, I just see

you in a movie. You should watch it if you never seen it, and it'll be like something weird, and I'm telling you just to be nice because I have this movie thing. We're talking about movies and he's like, if you haven't seen it started with Dog Day Afternoon, I've never never seen anything. You've never seen Dog Day Afternoon. I was like that never. It's like, oh, so we have we text a lot and he listens to the show and they'll invite me out to things, but um,

I don't go for the most part. But we send each other clips and movies and like just a good anytime I ask them for anything, and I don't ask a lot. Always there that's what I saw. So Urbans there are a lot. There are a lot of good ones, genuine, genuine good ones. Yeah, most are genuinely good. Not the people who are trying to get something from you, for sure, those but just trying to be nice, but trying to act real, genuine something from There are some of those, yeah,

but that's just the nature of the business. But you know those you know whom you can feel who they are quick very quickly. Is it like a weird feeling when they step in the room and are y'all getting along? Or because there are a couple of artists big artists and I won't mention them. I don't think it'll be fair to that. We just have a very good professional relationship and I love it because of that. It's like,

if you need me, I'm there. If I need you therey we're not really friends, but you need anything, let me know, And I'm the same way you needything. Let me know. Big artists too, like and I'm great with that. I don't have your friends everybody. I'm not here to be friends everybody. I need to be objective and give opinions about things. I can't do that if I'm friends with everybody. I try to not be friends with everybody like Eric Passley. I love that dude, like just good dude.

You know Jansen, Chris Jansen. Some people have been hard to not be friends with. So that's it. That's what I saw. We're done. You tell me, all right, we're done? Good? All right? I got people texting me. That's the Amy's texting me right now. See you tonight. Amy's coming to guitar Brque. Amy's coming to the Gutarque. I am I gonna wear Hey, don't wear a tank, tok, dude, I hate it when you do that. I'll probably wear a tank time. You can't when you're dancing around the tank

took you. Hey, when I wear a people aren't looking at you because you're black and so you know they're looking at you cause you're a built like a machine. But when you did that keep urban impression. Was that racist though? Probably? I don't think so. Yeah, No, I don't think it's I don't think sorr. Hey, thank you guys very much for listen to the Bobby Cast episode two.

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