#54 - Dierks Bentley

heard it yet because I'm not. We're on lockdown with that thing until July because you had it sign a contract where nobody can see or hear anything. Un told Joe, there was me and some of the guys of the band d and whole culture. It'll play real kind of came up a little theme song for you, but uh, hopefully I'll hear that. One day, I was talking to someone that uh Sarah at c m A, and she was talking about how you guys used to work at

Nahville Network together. So this is what we were just talking before my stand up show on Saturday Night, Congratulations by the with yeah yeah, yeah, and she was like hey, because she was like he's Dirk's coming. And I was like, no, I think Dirk's on the road. I guess everybody assumes if I'm in talent, you're gonna come to the show. She was like, hey's Dirk's coming. I was like, he has not would have been there. He's not coming, He's

he's on the road. And she said, you know, Dirk's used to and I know you were used working in Nashvial nightwork, but she was like, you know, he used to leave CDs on everybody's chairs all the time, like you would. He would leave and he would just leave music on everybody's chairs that we would all have it and hear it. Was that to get people to actually hear the music or was that because you liked them as friends and you wanted to hear your music. No, that was me trying to get it, you know, just

opening every door possible. And I definitely wanted to hear it, but I was trying to get something going and not really in a desperate way, just like you know, I was working on music, and yeah, Sarah, anyone I thought could like be of help with, like you know, of hearing that and help me maybe putting someone's hands or getting get kicked out of doors. It was the point. But I can't leave you remembers that. Yeah, we worked at team in the buildings gone. We used to work

as across Street and the Opery House. And when Tina and cmt we're gonna all pack together. And I was just doing anything I could at that point, Um, you know, recording songs. I was playing downtown on Lower Broadway. I was writing it. Uh you know as cap and the little writers whom they have upstairs for they allow anyone to write in So it's just kind of a thing. I'm just a shotgun blast of putting my stuff out

there and seeing what would stick. And I'm sorry but my voice, by the way, but I just did three shows in a row and travel back today from South Dakota, and my voice is a little fried. Do you when you try? You always fly back. You always fly your own plane back, always fly the band now, I always fly that. I don't know what your thing is a flying if there's some deep it's one of two things, because I don't I don't understand the flying thing with you and so much so, and I think you're probably

good pilot. I mean, you have to be right. They also called them those little planes like you know, law your killers, because you get just that, you get enough and out there. Yeah, it's man of the flying thing is so um it's you know, it's a whole another show, but it is, you know, it's it's a it's a manifestation. That's something that I put out there a long time ago. And um, I think it's one of the United Sharing Commons manifesting our realities and and and it starts with

small things. Start off me just when I was nineteen, want to get my pilots license. And it took me three years to get it. Why do you want to get a pilots I just wanted to fly. I just had that when I was when I was a kid, I made model airplanes. I just wanted and I just wanted to fly. And it took me three years just because it took time and money to do it. I got my pilots license, and then I just stopped flying

because I didn't have a mission. And then I flew with Kenneth Chesney one time, coming back from the show in a private jet, my first time ever in a jet. I was like, this was unbelievable. It was back in two thousand three was me, Keith and Kenny in a plane. It was awesome. I was like, whoa, this is what I want, you know, And so I've done this with a couple of things. I made my password on my computer.

When we landed, we went to like a different terminal right where jets go, and it was a place called Signature. It was like a that's where it's like a the the little general aviation plane for a place for jets. And I wrote, I made signature my password in my computer. And so every time I get on my computer at a type of words signature, and I was like, I'm gonna get I wanna I want to own a jet. And uh, you know, my career kind of stalled out around two thousand and eight and that dream I was

looking at that's never gonna happen. I'm never going on a jet school. But uh, you know, that dream kind of went away. And I was planning a gig somewhere with halfway to Hazard of all people, and a little plane flew overhead and these guys like I always look at the planes, and these guys, that's Tim McGraw's, that's he's Tim's up there flying that plane to the gig today. It was a charity gig we are doing. I was like,

Tim McGraw has his own COLOGN. He's not flying around in a little six cylinder prop plane by him, you know. And sure enough it's Tim McGraw and he's like, yeah, I'm getting polostle license. And he was flying the school plane and getting my pilot's license and he was flying the plane. Oh, he was an instructor flying to a gig multitasking. And so I went out the next day and started flying with that instructor and I just fell back and love with flying again. And I had had

a kid at this point to every was born. So I was looking for ways to kind of cut the corners off some of my travel. At this point, I was flying south west all the time, and so I started flying a small plane NonStop because of a of a McGraw and I put about five six, seven or hours and not playing find everywhere, And a long story short, how things you put them out to the the universe that they come back to you. I was flying out of

a hair. I flew a commercial plane indo hair, went around to the other side of the airport and jumped in my plane, a little prop plane that someone had met me with to fly to a gig in a small town, and I was using the bathroom at the urinal and I looked up and the word signature was above the urinal and I was like, oh, my God, Like it totally worked out in the way I wasn't expecting.

I thought I was gonna be in the back of a jet, you know, that was my my what I was manifesting, hoping to manifest end up being in the front left seat of a prop plane, which is way cool. I robly be the pilot than a passenger. And uh, it's just it's crazy to even things out there like that. And they come around and now and they continue to evolve.

I've met, you know, I met the guys at SESSAM, became friends with the the guy that runs the company, and find a little bit different plane now that I can actually hold all the guys in my band, they're they're all brave enough to fly with me. And I have another pilot that flies with us too, so there's two us up front. The plane is just because we were together in Vegas and you're like, hey, we're leaving at four pm. Tomorrow if you want to. I was like, dude,

I appreciate the offer. I don't want to get in a small plane like that, Like I don't feel comfortable. Yeah you if you flew, you know, for me and the guys of the band, it's you know, it's we have kids, and it's just like I remember the first tie I took a guitar player with me, our old guitar player, Brian Lason. He's like, I'll go up with you one time when it's perfectly clear and we don't go a mile from the airport. I was like, all right,

we'll see about that. I flew him home one night for my gig, so you got to be home at midnight instead of getting home the next day on the bus at like ten am. I called him Velcrove because I could not get him out of the seat. He was stuck to that seat. Every time I was flying in ice, rain, snow, he was always like the first one wanted to go, because it's a time machine. If you've got kids in this business, um, you have to

be two places at once. It's definitely just and maybe not that plane, but you know, sometimes work if they're somewhere out to get quick. They'll send a plane. Yeah, and they'll go, hey, we need you New York to Los Angeles and then we need you back in New York. So they'll send their plane and I'll just get shipped around. It's again, it's a change like it is, and it's a total luxury, and it's crazy even talking about it,

but it is for me. I want to be as successful as a dad as I am, as I feel like as I've been as a as a singer entertainer. And to do that, you have to be present. You have to be there. You can't talk about it. You have to be there for the make the breakfast. You gotta be there to go the games. You gotta be there to do all the the little things, the tiny things and the dumb things. And uh a lot of math, all right? Are you doing math all the time up

there or not? Really? I'm just a calculator the whole time. I'm going to nobody Austin, you know, I fly with This is such a help. I mean, it's when you've got a two man crew, it really helps out a lot. But we've got a great product and find Assessina Plaine and it's it's it's really reliable, great people in the great service, and it is just it makes and I

fly the whole band with me too. Those guys go with me everywhere, and so when we walk on stage, they're in a great mood because their families are happy, their wives are in good spirits with their kids that morning we hit the stage. It makes for a better show. I mean, it makes it's a win win for us, for our fans and obviously for our kids. So it's it's kind of at this point of my career, it's one has to you know that they go hand in hand.

How do you do your band? Because so I have are a little stupid band, and I have a couple of people that I keep on all the time, my drummer or my bassist. They're just my drummer and my basis cool. But do you but everybody else kind of trickles in and out. I pay them, you know, they have to get paid differently because some do some shows. Is your whole band like on a retainer? Like do you pay them a salary? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So they're like your people. Yeah, that's I mean, I've always been

a band guy. When I was playing down over Broadway. I just like being in the band, you know, I love at a list of like, you know, a hundred guys that've met over the year the years of being down there. If I needed to steel player, I'd call Rusty dan Meyer. If I needed up by a bass player, I'd call this guy. And so I just I've always

loved musicians. They're my favorite people. They're just to be a great musician, you have to learn from all the people before you, so it really humbles you to a degree. You know, you don't think you're the greatest guy ever because you have to study all the people that came before you to get good. So they're just great people. They're fun to be around. They don't know how to egos, but you pay them, they get company. Yes, it wasn't

the right thing. When you actually get a band, you go from paying the day rates when you can actually put them on salary. It's like the best feelings. It's a big deal for them beyond salary, and so yeah, they get you're gonna pay the salaries without the whole year, whether we're touring or not. It's awesome. If they came to you and said, hey, Dirk's listen I'm gonna leave them, gonna go over to Urban. No one's leaves my band because they just enjoyed them, because because they love we

have a great vibe together. We're super close. Were as close it's probably your morning shows. And they get paid really well. And they fly everywhere with me to every gate when I fly a lot. So they're their lifestyle. You're get you get in the lifestyle that makes them want to stay. There's no gig out there that anyone in my band would ever take. You could toss the greatest rock band out there. They would never take that gig.

I treat them like they're those guys are my That is all my dude times, all my broad times with the guys in the band as there who I do all my stuff with. That's when I come home and like, I don't need to see any ever, males. I'm good. I've been with my guys all weekend. We had a great time. We went and saw out Rushmore. We were in hiking, we play video games, we and we were going through this shared experience together. When I walk on stage, that's like a you know, I have a lot of

other friends with these guys. We have a shared experience of going out there every day and having to you know, run this marathon and crack this rock and break it up in the little pieces over and over again. In find ways to do it where it makes it fun for us continually. It's kind of like a therapy session in a way, if you really are trying to do it in an honest and sincere way that the live show that is, and not just put on a show, but go through an experience with your fans and with

your fellow bandmates. Um, it's uh. I really approached that way. Obviously it's my deal, but I approach it as a band, from the way we interact on stage to even where their mics are placed on stage up near mind not wait in the back, you know, we're it's more like a level. Yeah, I think of Pearl Jam. I try to keep it up tight and close like that. So if you're a way of doing dude stuff, is there any resentment from your wife if she's at home with the kids and she's like, you get to go and

do dudes. I know you're working, but still you're doing dude fun stuff and then you come home and she's with kids. Totally Yeah, I mean I won't say resentment, but there's there's I mean there's I have to be honest about it and transparent about it because I am I. I am doing my job. This is what I do. But I love what I do. I mean I love. There's nothing like be on stage with your guys and your fans, and and I gotta do stuff. You know,

there's there's work. But yeah, like I when hiking yesterday and the Black Hills in the mountains outside of rapid city of South Dakota, and I was in billions of Montana two days ago, hiking through just beautiful um mountains, A run there, hills around there and just and I just tell her this stuff. I'm not trying to hide it from them. Like I noticed untying all week in a Nashville and here I am like in like seventi five agree weather and like Montana probably my one of

my favorite states in the whole country. And so when I come home, I just I'm ready for a battle, man. I'm ready to help out any way I possibly can. I wake up every morning at four or forty four so I can go get my workout in, be done by six, and be home like ready to be fully engaged in like the drama of having three kids and three dogs and all the work that goes into trying to make that house you know, run great and everyone

have great days. So I owere a lot and she it's if I ever were to win award um, the only reason I loved one Keith Urban, I ever do win an award, UM, I would want to go up there just to thank her because it's incredible. Man. She it's it's it's hard man, um, any all moms out there, any any parent, Um, that's the hardest gig man. You know you, I know how hard you work. It's insane. Your your work ethic and I you know, I work

really hard too. But I think when that when you have kids, like it's a whole little level because there's such a responsibility there. I mean, you're basically growing this creature and your input is so important and you don't ever get a break. I mean, you're you're it's seven. You don't even sleep because someone's having a nightmare, some mighty bee the bed. You know, you hear a sound, dogs barking. It's just it's so it's twenty seven, it's so hard. So unless you're gone for three days and

it's like you're a vacation. So for me, I'm not saying for me, I'm saying for her. No, for me, it's like I gotta you know, it's kind of like pulling the repcord and you get to go on the road and so you're out there and you can get stuff done and you can choose to either you know, party or work out or you know. There's a lot of freedoms with that. So um, yeah, I just try to be really transparent with her and honest that what

I'm doing, and she's super supportive at the same time. Yeah, it's it's it's stuff and I can get that break you mentioned a minute ago in two thousand and eight when you said your career stalled. M hm nine, yeah, eight or nine, because right now we see you as the guy who has You're now in the A it's hard to be in the A group. You're in the A group. You're now in the A group. I think you're a recent addition, just speaking frankly to the your region addition to A group. Plus you're you really are

on the I wouldn't tell you if you are. Plus you're in the you're in the you're in the like you're in that mix of is he going to be in the entertain of your category? Now it's not. He's for sure gonna be nominated, Like you know, Luke is going to be nominated and probably gonna win, and he didn't win the a c mL Dean did. But like you know, Luke gonna but you're on that is he gonna be in? And it's happened in the last couple of years, But it's but you're like the consummate grinder. Yeah,

I'm used the word a lot. It's like the hockey player that goes down there and not the slapshot guy from out top, not the fancy ford that's getting the sweet goals with the guy that goes down the corner and digs the pucks out. You know. That's probably that's when my play hockey here in town, in my little league, at the er league. That's kind of my role in real life on that hockey team. And uh, I think in my career, yes, it's all about it's about grinding.

My favorite quote, um is was written on a was it Calvin Coolist quote? It's about you know, persistence and determinations. You know, education and talent and genius can't take the place of persistence and determination. That is the key to my success for sure, and I know probably for yours as well. I mean, there's no reason why I should be a country singer or a pilot. But you know, there's just things that um, I wanted to do. And if you work harder than anyone else, UM, you've got

a better chance of making that happen. What what happened in two thousand eight, two thousand nine, and your mind that you took a step back. You know, I went out on the road with UM. I play a thousand eights in my own. I went out the road with Kenny, and then I went on the road towards straight and I went back on the road with Kenny. And that's usually that's usually the platform to jump off of, you know, And that's where urban flats everyone went through Kenny back

when those when we were starting off. If you got the Kenny gig boom, you were a couple of years in near you be headlining on your own. And you know, we're really looking like a two thousand and eight would be bringing out some video and it's gonna be this kind of the ground swell and really, uh it's for you know, it's just the songs weren't there. That's what it comes down to. Um. I was writing pretty much all my own songs, working lout with some some friends

mine here in town. And and it's not their fault either, it's it's it's nobody's fault. I'm so happy that things are what they are. But I think I discovered you can't tour. I think I was in my mind, I was trying to make albums that would um be jet fuel for the for touring, Like how can this album? How can this song lead to headlining? And that's and you know, I need, I need the song and help me get there. And that's just a terrible way to

make records. And nothing against those records. Those records still sound like some of are so some of my favorite signing records, but as far as singles go, and songs are gonna move the needle and really, uh, you know, and I feel like I just needed to reset. Um. I don't know, you know, I just I was you can only work so hard, man. I was working so hard on the road, touring NonStop. Um, you know, jumping

off stage, I'm stage diving, I'm pulling fans up. I'm just, you know, known as the hard was working man in country music. We did like forty one shows and forty five days one time. I mean, I'm out there all the time, and I'm trying to rush back here and make records and then go back out there again, and it just it just doesn't It just doesn't work that way. So I was on the road two thousand eight or nine with Paisley and uh I said, I tried my

headline thing. It just wasn't working. So I was like, okay, retreat. Brad was had a chance to go with Brad and I was on that tour and uh I was opening for him, and there's a lot going on that tour. Weren't really getting a chance to sound check um, and it was just the vibe of my band just crashed. It was kind of the tour that just everyone like, you know, we're just only playing for forty five minutes,

and it's just the songs weren't really there. And I just was like at the back of my bus one day and I remember thinking, I'm gonna make a bluegrass record. I wanna make a bluegrass record and a country record, and just I need to get creative. That's why I kept thinking, is I need to get creative because when you're you're in that opening slot, especially after you've headlined for a little while, it's tough to go back and just do fourty five minutes of the same show every night.

You know, you're trying to make the most of that forty five minutes, so you kind of get locked into doing the same show and just killed all of us. So, um, I left and mid uh end up making just just a bluegrass record, and uh really, and I went back in the process of making that, being off the grid and not worrying about singles or touring or anything, just trying to make a great record that stood alone up by itself, it was existed just for for itself. Totally

rechanged my thinking. And um, you know, I started looking around people like Miranda Lambert and she only writes half her album if even that, you know, and and Lady A and these people at the time, we're like, you know, they're collecting great songs. You know, they came to realize that after your second album, you can't write an entire album. Just did no time in your touring all the time, so many of the responsibilities I hadn't know. I was

married at this point with kids too. So the blue Grass record, you know, I was working the guy have John randall Um, one of my best friends, and he was bringing me great songs from Christofferson and Buddy Miller, and just like we started making a collection of of an album that had my input but also had songs that kind of rounded out what I was trying to

say or the field of the album. And I carried it on with working with Ross Comperman into the next couple albums and uh, really trying to make albums that don't worry about touring, dorry about anything. Who cares? Just make a great record? And U and one of the great things. Now I don't know a lister, but wheream my careers. There's the better off you are doing touring and and the more of you you have those fans and more freedom you have to say, who cares, Let's

make the record you really want to make. I feel like that's why Keith is Um is making like his best records, Keith Urban's records me just get better and better each time because I like he's even more like I don't care I'm gonna make great music that makes me happy that I like and hopefully you like it too. But there's no there's no math behind it. You know, it's just totally it's pure arts. And you didn't have to worry about where he's gonna get his next meal.

You know, he's just making great records. And I feel like there's on both ends of the spectrum. When you're first starting off and you're so hungry, and then when you get to place you have a little bit of success and you have that freedom that it brings you, you can really make your best records, and I feel like that's what's happening now. I'm not sure to answer your questions, but well, I love him, man. It's hard for me to be friends with him because I just

have so much respect for him. It's like we're good friends, but at the same time, like you're Keith Urban, it's almost it's almost like why do you This is the feeling I have with him because him and I are closer than him and than me and other arts, and he's one of the guys that I like and we'll talk too off the show. But that's like what I was, like,

why do you want to be friends with me? Eight Like you're so smart, and you're so talented, and you're so rich, Like everything about you was way better that why would you want to be friends with me? That's how I feel with him. He is um for me. He's like a he's like a beacon. He's someone I look up to for advice on just for for lifestyle

and management and how you approach things. And he's just he's so present, which is something I always you know, that's my main thing with anything I do, is trying to be as president as possible in the moment that I'm man, and he really is a true reflection of that. I mean when when you speak to him, when you talk to him, he's so focused on what you have

to say. He's listening, and uh, it's very uncommon in this business full you know, singers and people are trying to look at me, and you know, are have like five seconds looking at your eyes and they're kind of thinking about the next thing. He's just really focused and present and has great advice and it's been through a lot,

so he can offer a good um good gems. But whenever I see him at she's on a Sunday uh, and we're doing some with our kids or something, and I'm like coming off the road and just beat up my brain. His brain is already functioning faster than mind. Anyway, I'm coming off like no sleep, I'm tired. I'm trying to make conversation with them, like hopefully's the one day and I'm not like just so exhausted, because it'd be fun to talk like I have an actually little conversation.

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all now. I know. I don't tell how many to see it. I want to tell you I'm not you know what, I'm just watching. I'm just not watching Friday Lights, which is like ten years old. I've never so good, but I'm so and I would like. It takes while to get into things like that's that's a ten year old show. I'm just not getting to it, but I not think I would love it. But it's like there are so many new good thou right now. I know,

it's unbelievable. We're good friends of Connie. She's like a good friend of ours, and my wife and Connie are great friends, and she's just one of my favorite people. And always feel so bad they hadn't really seen that show because it's so good and she's her acting that is just unbelievable. But yeah, I need to check out Big Little Lies. It's it's incredible, right, So it's really

it's really good. But it's weird because again I've gotten to know Nicole a bit, but it's weird to se your neck on TV and something I gotta feel weird. I feel like I should turn my head when I because I'm like, she's she's an actress. Bro, that's what they do. Man, They're able to somehow. They're just that's then their their body is just a tool to use to project their art. Man. They don't look at it like we do. But again I do. I'm like, I do feel that way. And man, it's just it's the

whole thing is weird for me. Yeah, well that's weird for her. So what about like, Okay, so let's the music video. You got another girl in me video? That's not your why it's weird for me. I'm not an actor though, but I'm talking about the acting part. Like, what about like that? I'll say funny so funny story, Um, there's I had a song called trying to Stop Your Leaving um, and I did it with Trey fan Joy. It was a great friend of ours, great data director.

And we're shooting over on Chantanooga and my I just got married. My wife's on the bus and I was in there for the first shoot. All is a five third in the morning and it's like two story motel at the middle of the outside of Shantanooga and I'm in there. There's the girls in there, and Cassie comes and I told her to bring some clothing off the bus and to wear it. She comes in and Tray goes, oh, no, no, no,

this first thing is just gonna be boxers. And my wife's like my new wife is like okay, and she walks out and goes back in the bus and Trey goes, dirks and this girl high, nice to meet you. How you doing. There's like three dudes around, like those kind of like porn cameras, you know, just like the smallest bill coming and like in this shady like kind of pastel floral bedspread, kind of a motel place. Dirk's this doesn't come a little closer. This isn't raining on Sunday.

This is effing all right, and she put on lives Zeppelin, go I'm with this girl. I just got married. She's like, you know, in trade, it's like, okay, if you're not gonna kiss her, well you lick his lick his chest and look at like up towards his neck, so like she's this girl is like licking me and I'm just like I'm not trying to do anything, and like, you know, because I gotta go right back in the bus and tell my wife what just happened. You know, I can't.

I'm gonna lie about this is gonna be on TV. Come back in the bus, and it's like, so, how'd that go? I'm like, well, yeah, it was. It was something. And I think that was one of the last videos I did where it's not I'm all. I'll do whatever it takes to help to help the song, not commercially, but just the story. You know, the song is all that matters in this towns all that matters me. And there's a video that that can help tell that story about it, and I'll do whatever it takes. You know,

I'll go anywhere, do anything. But I'm just not an actor. And if you look at keys videos, just recently did he start kind of going back into some acting stuff. For many, many, many years, Keith would just play guitar and let the actors do the acting, let the singer to the singing and make a great story video, not trying to do the whole thing. And I don't respect to that. And it makes sense because I'm not very very good actor. If there's a hot girl licking your

neck and you're in your boxers like band aids. But how do you constill your pasties? You know what? Just mind control Jedi mind contro But I don't have I don't have it. I have it, I know no. And that's it's like I'm just have to like baseball, baseball, baseball. It's total, just like it's Jedi mind control. It's not gonna happen. I can't let it happen. I have some songs here, Oh man, there's a play some other stuff. How about this one right here? Put that cross my

mind a little, dude, because I was thinking. First thought that comes when you hear this up here, Red reverse Um, great song right here in town. Really, without Bread, I wouldn't have anything. He Um really took me under his wing as a writer, and I learned so much from Bread about writing. And this was back when like when we had like the shoe box tape recorders, you know, and and pen and paper, and he told me how

to write. One of the things he thought was just to think out loud on paper, don't talk the whole time when you're writing songs with somebody, Just to work on something when you got an idea. Maybe. But I remember playing that for Autumn House, who was an A R at a Capital. I found her outside exit and I got my guitar, ran out to her exit in she came out of there. I sat it down on my tailgate, play her that song acoustically. I was going to the studio the next day, and she's like, cut

that song. That's so you run out to some prominent person here in town, say hey, stop and have her watch you sing a song. She's A and R. She still is over Capitol Records, and uh, and I she was in the club, I think, exited and hearing listen to somebody. I texted her art and text I called her and she met me outside and I played it for acoustically, like outside the club. And because I thought it was it could be a big hit. Oddly enough, I fought really hard for that not to be the

first single. So what did you want to be? The first song called Wish You Would Break, which is more of a country thing. Um, you know, it's about your wishing your your car steroid break because if you saw and plays, you minded your girl wishing this picture frame would break that keeps falling down, but you don't have the heart to throw it away because it's the pictures of two y'all. In the last verse is about wishing your heart breaks you just move on. It's a great song.

And I wrote that with Brett but Duncan Mike Dungan from capitals like we're going with was I thinking so? And you're glad it did? Yeah? All right, here we go, come a little closer. What makes me hear that song makes me think Jesney I wrote that Brett Beavers, but Chesney said that was a song that um when you heard that come in the radio, that's the reason why he took me back out on the road. And again, man, and you do so many hey people will do this to me too, But I haven't heard that. I want

to play this song a lot anymore. So I love hearing that. It's a great song. You don't play talking. It's a little slow. Can you say a little slow because you feel like it takes the crowd down. You know, you gotta make a roller coaster out there when you're you gotta find a way to take people on a ride.

And you can only have you gotta pick your You know, our show is so high energy, and that's but what makes to show great is what makes those high energy songs work is the real moments and and and that. Then you can only have so many in that song. Just there's just no room for that one right now? All right? How I had this one man's part of my favorite songs. Another song. I don't do the live show anymore, but I do it usually earlier than night

in the acoustics show. But when I think of that video, and I think that song with the video for it, because there's a scene where I'm getting rained on by the rain machine and there but you can tell there's no other rain like anywhere else just coming on. It's like the cartoon whenever it's such a great video, there's just that one moment because you know, if you're you care so much about the work you do, you're like that one scene drives you crazy. But Chris Sticky do

that video. It's actually when the best videos we ever did. And uh, that song is um. I love that song and it's one of my favorite songs. But I usually do it. I do a pre show acoustic performance for some folks and I usually I'm doing that song. It's a good one. I to watch John May a couple of weeks ago, I know how was that I was speaking to boners. Did you get one? I did move a little bit through one at the whole time, the

whole day. It wasn't picture moved. It was fully the It was like by act yeah, And so I went, non't know my point where I was gonna get so funny, dude, I had a genuinely had a but you went to John Mayor, come so first, slow down. It was moments I come back to it. I have no idea what I was like, I had a point. He did he did who? I don't know? Talking about this song. I wrote that song and launched the Blown the same day with Brett Pevers and Gonna Steve Bogarten. You know, it's

a great song. I would say it's one of the songs that he could say more. I mean if I was you know, it was a number one, but it wasn't like a that was a lead single off an album and it just wouldn't do much. But people still love that song. I still do it live. But I used that song for a lot of video content of like our life on the Road. But that's a song that if I'm being totally honest and critiquing myself I

just didn't say enough. You know. The verses need to be more specific and more biting and more personal and more um telling of who you are or the story you're trying to tell and just not so um interchangeable, so that that I love that song, but that I was listening to. That's one thing. Every song you put out I put up in this one on has to be like say something really impact for or you know, every line has to be just perfect. I know what it is everyone. It was. So I went to John

Mayer and he had these packages. He was that they sell right, and it was like, I didn't buy one of them. I'm lucky. Yeah, I got to go hang out and so but it was like, if you're a super fan, you could pay like bucks and you could go walk back still age and get like a banana and touch John's I don't know what do you do? Is there a little tour but you to see stuff it's yes, child guitar and you pay hundred dollars to do that and then you get you meet it me.

Whatever do you do that part of it where you're like pay because it is worth something to get the experience. We do a thing where you pay extra hundred dollars, but you're paying. You come back to the rooms. You get you get to come in before anybody else. There's beer and alcohol and some food. And I've seen that room. Yeah, and there's like a little photo booth charge more. I saw people just paying money out the butt for mayor.

You know, it's a tough thing, you don't. You want to keep your ticket prices as low as possible, and and and and that's the whole thing out there. Like one thing is they still think about Garth Brooks is low ticket prices. Man, it's the coolest thing. You want to keep low. But that's not the ticket though. That's

what that's for the rich. But but if you want to like, yeah, if you want to, like you know, if I go to see if I go to see you two or something that they offered like some sort of like backstage thing, I would want that because I'm a super fan, you know. Um. But yeah, it's and I think the fans that one. It's a cool deal because we we we do a lot. I used to

be just be by myself on guitar. But the guys in my band, they're sitting around there, like one guy I've been started playing with me on the guitar because he's like, I don't have anything to do, and I'd love to go pick. And then Cassie came out and started playing bass and and a kick drum, and then Dan bars fiddle. It's like a full show. Now we play like forty minutes. It's like a really fun Why your voice it sucks on Monday, You're playing six shows

in three days. Yeah, well yeah, we're and we do a lot of backstage just kind of playing as well, so it's kind of fried. But it's for them. It's really fun. It's really it's it's what's cool about it's it's acoustic. Um, I mean it's plugged into it's acoustic, and it's I'm taking requests. We're telling jokes and telling stories, and it's it's long. It's my it's only supposed to be fifte minutes, depends up being like sometimes in thirty

forty minutes. Yeah. I know in the Nashville show, you got really sick before the show, and yeah, I can't. I think I can't. No, I did the acoustic thing that night, but it was a little bit of a stretch. I'm not even gonna say. I was just like, how do you do? Because I remember talking to you before the show and you're like, I have literally have an ivy bag. You took a picture of that. You had water, you were hooked up. Yeah, the needle in you. I did an ivy and a steroid at twelve and the

start at at six. It's like, you're worst nightmare. Like you just play Nashville, playing your hometown show, and it's like to have no voice. It's it was. It makes me like get the gs. Just thinking about that moment end up being a great night. It was such soil cathartic that actually, when your voice starts working, you're like, Wow, I'm gonna make it. This is gonna happen. But leading up to the whole day was it was terrible. But I was able to do the acoustic deal and I

said to cancel some ingreets and stuff. My cow louds the mower coming through the microphones. You can't there's there's something where my house. So it's and my name listen, what would you do in the situation? That's great? Views up here by the way, Yeah, this is the cool. It's the top floor, so it's cool. Yeah. So but my neighbor, I'm gonna tell you, what would you do in this situation. I don't know if you have neighbors that you say. I got neighbors broken. So the a

trash cans and they're this neighbor. I live in a nice house, but this neighborhood is still growing, so it's all different kinds of houses and so they're in no h a cause it's not like a super great neighborhood. No. I mean, I love where you lives. You're just part of the gang over here. Yeah, so I'm just part of the crew. I thought there might be a gate

or something. There wasn't. There wasn't. There was one point Attigaate at one point when I moved here, they maybe and have a security, a secured place in my contract because if you know, just getting jumped. So I lived there and I lived downtown and place flooded. Let me get to my point here. My girlfriend was out and my neighbor comes over to the house and starts knocks on the door, and Lindsay's here and she's like, yeah, hello,

how your trash cans are they? When when it storms they dump over And so there's like cardboard and we don't like that. So she was like, okay, great. So my girlfriend like gets bungee cables and straps them to the wood and liked whatever. So then my neighbor has sends a note to her because she gives her. She's like, hey, if you need anything, here's my cell phone number right there. And so my neighbors in the text of her going hey, do you need a lawn service? And I was like,

you gotta be kidding me. She texted the neighbor text lindsay, no, we're good. Thanks. What would you have done? Because my listen, my y'all wasn't in the best shape, but it was just now lawnmowing time. Dude. I would let that grow. I would just let it grow. What are you talking about me that she talked me out of it? That would really? That would that would not That would not sit well with me, Like, just you do you, I'll

do me. And my dog has to have a backyard too, so I thought about bulling like one little square for him and letting the rest grow up. But you know, everybody kind of leaves everybody alone over here. Yeah, man, thanks Mike, Do you is that a weird thing? For you that people know where Dark Smiley lives. You know. Um, I struggled that a little bit. But it's it's all good. I mean country music fans are so we're lucky. Not fans, neighbors. Uh no, we're pretty I'm walking my dogs and because

of riding the street and everyone's everyone's pretty cool about it. Mean, it's yeah, it's no, it's not problem for me. Was famous. Um no, big gate. I've never been over. The people say I should get a gate, but I don't have a gate. M Yeah, your kids will have to have like go carts. Get the buses drive by a little bit of stuff like that. Like what buses it's country and Western tour buses. They come by your house and say that's where. Oh no, I mused to be like

six seven times a day out. I don't think they can get around up here, but yeah they can by a little bit. You know, there's those folks in there. It's all good. It is all good. N I like, our listeners are the greatest, but it's when you get the one point the point one percent of person who Yeah, but I should say too. I have a lot of security features and I have guns as well. Too. I mean we're we're recording stuff. I can't believe these things

drive by your house. Like I would call them at their work and be like, hey, listen, no, let's not do this. There's a time I was you got those thoughts like gonna put like nails in the road or somebody that's no, I never had that thought. I never had all put nails in the road. Well I have, I've gone, I've gone, I'm gone drive for a place in my life now. I'm like, it's all it's it's all good. But you can go the other direction well as well, and do it like what guys like web

piers big countries sing. In the sixties, he used to have bus to stop his house and selling pool water. He would literally jarve, like little what was cool? For five dollars, you can have some web piers to pool water? So does that? You know this doesn't work out for me? Maybe I'll start selling us some Uh I don't have a pool, I'll start selling uh grass clippings. Speaking of yards, your love blue apron? Oh that's the next Did I

use that all the time? I swear to guy, I have a box because it comes like twice a week for the big box. It's kind of a waste. Derk is doing the Blue Okay, I'll talk. I want to talk about YouTube per scon um so Blue Apron, you get it, honestly, I honestly what is Apron? It's a it's why I like some of the vegetarian options. That's my wife's vegetarian. But it's just a food delivery service

that comes in a box. That's cool, and it has a bunch of like it's cold as as ice packets in there, and has a bunch of different like food options. They're pretty easy to make. If you're not pretty good Blue Apron, that's good. You get this guy over here, he Dirk says, like us, I'm not very good cook. I make mostly ppu J sandwiches and spaghetti. But Blue Apron I may actually able to fall instructions and put together pretty good meal. It's like he's reading the page,

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me tag team? This is as a it's a full on tag team session in the morning, so everyone's kind of a little bit everything, But it seems like she usually makes the PB and J sandwich. What's it too? Because everybody knows you as the guy that does the music.

But what's a Tuesday like for you? Get up at four forty four, gives me one minute to give me thirty seconds complain and and talk about I don't want to get up, and gives me thirty seconds to actually start think about the positives of how I feel after I work out. I go the gym do a group workout from five to do a group work out. Do people stare at you and go there's exper I don't know, that's all. No one cares. I mean, it's all it's all good, good. Everyone's there. People are working at five

o'clock in the morning. They don't care who I am there there how you said like, I want to tell a yoga glasses now, and I was terrible. I'm terrible yoga right at three of you. I'm embarrassed because I'm not good at it. Three people coming to me and be like, hey, five, we're doing you know, And I'm just humiliated because they were watching. They maybe you just don't know. No, I don't that, you know. It's all. It's all just regular people and no one. Again, it's

five o'clock the morning. These people are not they're there to work out. They're not really that Danish and who else is there. It's a really hard workout. It's freaking exhausting. I get home and I, you know, hopefully everyone's still asleep because they need to be sleep. But my house always has gotten up so early, and uh, we just you know, trying to get that morning time. It's kind of like that's kind of some people that family dinner.

For us, like breakfast is like the time we're most together doing stuff and and you know, just trying to it's a dance with the food and the dogs and just trying to make the morning great and get the door in positive spirits and get those guys off to school. And then I come back and start working on stuff. But what does that mean? Working on steps writing songs and right, no, I'm trying to work on the record.

So I'm writing with like tomorrom right with Casey Bethard and Jaren Johnson and but you know, uh and just trying to catch up on on life that I've missed from being from being down the road. Um, so that's pretty much what Tuesday morning looks like, you know. Then and trying to catch with cast too, you know, doing stuff with her, just dumb stuff. I don't know. It was running errands, you know, gonna do some more groceries or stuff. I don't know, take him someone's shoes get

fixed the shoe store. Uh, just stuff, man, will you right with somebody else for them? At this point, or you just right for yourself? I just right for myself. I don't think I'm I think enough writer, right for the people. I'd love to get a cut from somebody else, but I think, hey, when I see someone else right, when I see another artist name on a song, my first thought is like, how come this song wasn't good enough for you? But you're pitching up to me, you know?

And second I don't. I just don't all the time. And I don't think I mean from Ryan. With guys like John Knight and Ross comprom every day, I'm sure I could get something cut by somebody else because those guys are on fire. But I just right for me, I asked, because I guess three or four days ago you text them like, hey, let's that's right, let's me and you right? And I was like, what did I say? You can test exactly what I said back to you.

You said, hey, let's write. What was my response? He said, no, I'm not good enough for somebody, And I said, I don't deserve to have to sit and write with Dirks and Ross. That's that's the only do anything. I would never I only do stuff now at this point my career that like interests me excited, excise me. It's fun. And the idea of you mean, Ross in a room running would just be really fun because he's such a positive guy. Some people in this town that you could

write like that's what I was like. I was like, no, I don't think we could get something really great. Maybe really we could get something really good, but I don't deserve that. It's not about deserve. Of course you deserve it. You don't. We don't. We don't deserve anything we're doing. We're doing well, we work for and make it happen. And our Jake mom where fight? I Oh, you know

what I mean? You deserve to be that? I would you not deserve to be in that room because not to do that, I mean you're on stage by yourself doing comedy, which is probably sounds like the living like that sounds like hell to me. It sounds like like my dad, sound like hill, do you stuff before you want to do? And I was like, dude, come out, you can never do that. I had tell to the jokes on stage and they usually bomb and I usually say, Okay, I'll get back to this thing, thanks for listening. So

but you know, I don't know. I don't think this matter deserves it does a matter of it would be fun. You say you're a you two super fan. How is that your favorite band? I think it is. Yeah, I think there's my favorite band. What's your I have a rule? Your favorite bank, your favorite song for them? Can't be a huge radio song. Oh gosh on Earth? No no, no, I asked much favorite song? I shouldn't told you the rule before I told you the Probably a song called

peace on Earth? Why? Um, that's just how it's kind of a really morbid song, but it's just about how there's never really will be peace on Earth. I got it all up here, I have whatever whatever. That's my favorite record right there? From man we get on this computer. I gotta going through Alexa right now? You have an Alexa. Kite is so good to go? Let's play kite? Well, hold on, it's like a song for your kids, Mike, what's happening over here? But what what? But did I

not push right this computer? That's playing a little bit? Can you hear it? Oh? There it is? Is that Peace on Earth? I had the volumes too. I mean, okay, if I had to pick on that list or there would probably be it would probably be Kupe. This is a later YouTube record though, and this is your favorite hut because I remember playing this on the way told me like I have to go back and I mean cool, I mean so good. Yeah, I don't love about them.

It's just their energy as a band, and you watch them play, it's like how many shows you been too? Not that many? I'm five us probably been at four. Yeah, yeah, he said my name at the National show. I had dinner with them the night before. Oh wow, Yeah, it's pretty Uh, it's pretty amazing. Let's do this because we do this on the show, the biggest name dropper story, because I don't know if it's bigger than Bono, So I'm gonna I'm gonna that one does not count because

I'd like to hear more about that. But let's take Bonno out of the names. Yeah, biggest name dropper story. Um gosh, man, I mean I don't have that many famous like no, no, the what you do you have to I have coins? I mean give me like one of yours. Let me think about her saying like, um, okay, I'll give you as you think about it. So I went to yeah, I don't care. I've talked about. I went to Augusta with John Legend. Yeah, and we still you know, there were four of us and it was

me Andy Erotic, John Legend and another buddy. But we just we was there for two days hanging out watching golf and I was and I don't I mentioned it because I don't like but it's that's a pretty cool. And we sat around the house for two days hanging out. I had had a glass of wine with Phil Mickelson one time with the golf and um, then that's not that's not that called Peyton Manning is a friend that

account that's cool friends. I went fishing. I went fishing all day long with Peyton Manning up in a northern uh Canada but British Columbia. We fished for like gigantic fish for half the day. So that'd be my biggest Probably what's Manning like? He's totally cool? Yes, So he's just like the guy on the Papa John's commercial. Man He's like laid back and funny and good stories and easy to be around. And I had dinner with Eli

once at Peyton super Bowl, which one in Miami. I went Archie, Eli and and Cooper because Peyton was playing, and so we went and had dinner the night before. Yeah, and I just remember Eli being so big and like he doesn't look big on TV's those are monsters, I mean Peyton's monster. Peyton. So and we actually watched the very first game of the year this last year with Peyton in a suite in Denver and we were watching it was so, you guys are real friend, like you

would call Peyton? Yeah, I texted the moment. Yeah. Do you still get nervous texting him? No, like like he's gonna judge you, Like your text has to be right on. No, No, I do not. I know because there are a couple people I feel like that with them, like oh right, timing don't do too often? And do you respond to their texts? There? You know you right back right away? Give it a second or you respond knowing the knockna respond back? That's okay because you're kind of in feor

in this relationship. Um, that's a funny one though, Like who do you have that relate because I can tell your mind too, Like, who do you have that relationship with where it's like I have their number? Well, certainly with him with with with Bono, I like, I texted him, I mean I used to like that's another one. Like I kind of kind of manifested that meeting him because I used to like carry. I saw him the one

time in all places in Hawaii. I finished and he went saw Pearl jam And and Youtuboe together in Hawaii with the same show. Yeah. It was in two thousand seven, and I had had a CD in my back and my jeans because I was like, I know, I'm gonna I'm gonna pitch in this song because I want to get what you wanted to pitch a song sing on my record. Yeah, and I finally made that. I actually finally Uh there's a song on my last record called

Here on Earth. And I sent to him and he wrote back, this is a you know, he's one of those guys who can just say like in in three lines, every line is like so profound, it's like so well written and just he's on a different level. And I of course emailed back this long thing, but hey, we're coming to Ireland's go to go to We'll go to a pub and all this stuff, beerds and stuff. Yeah, I didn't get that response, but he's I think he's pretty busy, but um, yeah, those I know what you're

talking about. Give me one more because it's like you have to look at the time on your clock and you're like, okay, you figure if he didn't do with his family, well a text bothers in here with his family, does he even want to hear from me? I know, like, like, h we're just talking about We're just talking about family supper on the road yesterday. But Steve ms Mar drummer, He's like, I think I've kind of fan girl James Neal a little too much. Who's the hockey player for

the Preds. He's like, yeah, I'm kind of like I don't know him that well. And I keep texting like you're so awesome, and he's like, I think I got it back off a little bit. It's like, yeah, let me texting. I texted me like he run me back. But yeah, everyone is guilty of that too a little bit. But I can't think of nobody else. You're gonna add it us? No, I'm trying to, man, I'm I'm terrible text me. I've been like bought a flip phone. I love iPhones and I love Apple and we live for him.

But I'm like that's why I paying how much I love your show. Like this is such a gretit of this podcast because I'm good. I've been like trying to do like one day week when I'm just on my flipphone for the whole day and it's so hard. But it's just like I am so over, you know, it's a love hey relationship with the technology was texting and I text so many people, but like that's not really is that really? And maybe we're keeping up, but is

that really? I don't have an hour conversation with somebody to have, like a real conversation is better than nothing because at the pace that you're going and people always go out, phones are one of our phones actually keeping us two people that we would never talk to, but I do. So I have kids now to this, so I know there's guys out there and Silkon Valley their geniuses. It's been their whole lives to thinking about it. How can I make an eight year old completely addicted to

this device? And these are smart, smart people working with unlimited funds and on their coding all the time. And my daughter gets on an iPad and it's completely hooked at some game and She's just an experiment. These people the same Instagram and stuff they got going on where you're trying to keep the streak alive. You know how many days in a row if you texted this you know whatever Instagram this person. It's like it's all geared towards where we grew up without this stuff, so our

brains had a chance to function. But when you see it through your kids and how it's just not right. Man. So I have to lead by example. If I have my phone out, it just takes once once or your times so your kid to go dad, you know, so sorry, you just feel like the worst person. So I don't even take that phone in the house, Like I just I'm all, I have a flip phone. My wife has the number, Mary has the number, and it's like anyone needs me and my wife, you know, they can get

touched me. But it's the freedom is unbelievable. But yeah, as far as friends go, you know, I've been emailing more. I just like I am better off on email. I will write longer emails. Just do it through that because I gotta sit down and not just constantly just like on that thing. Drist me crazy? Do your kids doing to bring it today. I'm to bring my flipphone, but I forgot it. They do and that purchases like where they buy the things inside the game, and then you

get the bill and you're like whoa. And then then then they don't do I pad. The only get iPads on weekends and not that much. But bill very everything has to come through me, so I think I'll have to prove whatever if she gets there's no buying anything. It's just these little games they buy. They get for free that these people out there pumping, and then they they want to buy on stuff inside of it. We don't do that, but it's scary. Man. I hate it.

I hate it for kids, man, I wis they could grew up in a place we had the same thing that our parents were thinking us, like, look at these guys are cordless phones different? But it's different. It's just like the music. Everybody's like, well the music is different, but with the phone, man, the technology wasn't changing every day. Every single day. They're doing software updates on your phone to make it more addictive every day. Every there's guys,

right now, you're just you're not Bobby Bones. You're experimental. Five six seven to this dude, like everybody buying your record, and so is everybody that's streaming your music. They are too. We're all looking at data from everything else and creating our own lives from No. But man, I don't know that's I just that's what I love this podcast. I feel like it's just so much better than the texting Man. And did you listen to the Ross Compermanent the whole thing? Yeah,

that is funny. I like that. I love I learned what I learned more about Ross from your podcast, and I I've doing Ross now since, you know, since I got Tipping on back. I mean, I learned more from that that interview. It's great. I mean that's what I've been doing in my truck now. I was just driving and listen to your podcast and telling about Tim Ferris and some other people. It's like these it's such I need to retool my brain because it's getting it's bad,

especially if you're a musician on the road. I mean, the damn iPhone. It's just like you. We have a a funny Instagram hashtag called band band members on phones, and it's just like I took one to day from We're up with this beautiful landscape in the middle of South Dakota and the Black Hills and take a self timer shot and to my guys are on their phone.

It's like we look around for one second, but it's just you know, you're eating dinner, catering and just like, but think of all the relationships you keep it because of Derek Jeter's dating Madonna. That's cool. Yeah, it's like, you know, I know stuff. I don't want to know it, not anybody else. I don't want to know what it's going on. I want to know, like what's happening to

people that I care about. So I don't know. I gotta My relationship with technology is really something has to be maintained all the time, especially once you get kids. It really it's like that's the different story. I can't argue about the kids I have. Any kids. You don't want him on it, dude, especially girls. That's just I don't think it's a fair medium for for girls in general,

all the dating apps and stuff. It's just who else, Let's stay out of the format because you get into a little mess here when you go, okay, who do you look? Who else do you listen to? Out of the pot so you love you too? Who else you like? I mean, Bruno mars Is, He's guy's unbelievable. Why is he unbelievable to you? He just has more talent. I mean for performance wise, the guy just has He's just

so good. You know, the rest of us up there's country singers up on stage without our guitars and doing stuff. You know, I'm trying to feel the flow of a song, and he's just like in his pinky just he has more moves right there than the rest of us have. Like, this guy's got it, man, and his songs are so good. Man. There was a time he came into our show six years ago, right and so not there you talking about. So he was doing the bit where he could do

any song period. He was like his name of song and I was like, okay, I have tiger and he plays a lot of the tigers. He's like what else? So he's a jukebox jew box and he did uh Tina Turner and he was just nailing him and I was and I was like, dude, what's what's he's like? Well, because he grew up in a family bands, he was like the youngest kid and they were like all his

whole family. They were all a band. He was like, they're like an Elvis impersonators, and so he had all the skill set and he's also super good and super smart. And he's like, do you do the Disney school stuff? Did you go to that like that? I don't think he was one of the one of those kids. There's a video if you google Bruno Mars on the Bobby Bones Show. He crushes they did Michael Jackson, he did um like Billy Jean. He's like, yeah, yeah, and so

he's playing with you. She was like, and he's just crushing every song good. He's just it. He's just got that thing man. And now the superstar. He is a superstar. It's it's fun to watch like the it's it's even fun to watch it now here in the country world to watch and actually like be a part of people's careers and see them go from just somebody who's getting a deal or somebody who had doesn't have a deal yet. Like you know, one of my first people here that

I actually met and she was just a kid. It was Kelsey remember her being on his show singing an acoustic version of the girl Crush or something. I don't know. Maybe back she was on the tour every week. I mean she didn't mount a song, but I remember talking to her and she was she had to publish a deal. And it's been cool to watching these artists like grow and she's you know, got four number ones and then

and it's like it's like now she's a star. But you've been able to see some who did you see early on where you're like, oh, man, like I'm not even that I wasn't that good when I started, and they're gonna be a superstar. I mean all these guys, I feel like Thomas Rhett Ah, you know, he just has like, man, I may I got my deal with seven. I'm such a late bloomer. I didn't have anything really

figured out. And even when I got you know, married, and was just out there on the road and like trying to like grapple with like how to make these things all work. These guys make it look so effortlessly. I mean Thomas with Lauren and he's balancing, he's he's got to go on. Actually got him saying them there night when he played down here in the sand and after the game, right like and uh, he's just got

the show's tight. He's so good up there. He's he just knows what he's doing and his personal life as well as really like balanced and it's integrated into his like is um his career and he just he's got a lot. He's he's way away for the head that I was like mentally developed as far at that age.

Last year he played My Heart Country Festival and and see him because I don't get to see a lot of you guys on the road because I'm also out on the road or like I'm just tired, and it's like what am I gonna do travel to New Hampshire to watch you guys play? Like I just watched it, go over to the house, Like it's so I don't get to see shows that often. And that's not that's kind of a but that's like a televised kind of situation.

It is. But he played a full stet and haven't and I didn't see right, So it was so I went up to after the show and I was like, dude, like it was next level. He had grown so much and it was so freaking good. Yeah he did, you know. It was like kids do the darnest things, is what I told him. It was like that show. It was like it's like I watched a kid just like grow up.

We I was with him when he really was making this transfer which he recently made with his music from Fear at Jesus and some of the you know, kind of breaking away and we're on the road together and he was talking about new record and he's talking about he was I mean, he was nervous. Man. I think

he's about to have a nervous breakdowns. He really was going for a different sound and just trying different stuff, and a lot of people, you know, transferred away from kind of the the thing he was doing, the Georgia Boy stuff into this personal he is now and a lot of haters, you know, hating on him for the things he was going forward, and I was always so supportive because he really was going for his His goal is high. He's not going for just he wants to

he's competitive. He wants to take down the takedown, the top guys who or in his same you know league and is his same crew. And he's like, I love that I got this one song. It's a love song. I think it's only that's to save man. This album is no one's been like this albums I would be terrible, but this one song is a love song and we'll see how it goes. And it was of course die happy man, and it's gonna changed everything for him. He's

he's dialing in him. Man. It's fun to watch him like just keep getting more and more figured out who he is and what he wants to do. What was that for you? What was the song that you kind of switched it up for You're like, oh boy, where a different plant Field? Now? As man, I think, um, my career has been so different than anyone else. As I know, it's just been so such a long slow what comes to mind where you're like king a plane

changed a lot for me? Uh, I'm getting drunk on plane, I mean, but this song had a big like it's party. Thank The most important song of my whole career and I stay every night when I'm on stage is as I Hold On. That's a song that like connects the most of um, the most personal song for me. I wrote a wraph my dad passed away, and the audience man, those it's it's a song in the show where like

we're had a party. Thing's fun, it's awesome, We're all fully connected because we're all having so much fun and throwing a party. This song I play, it's just like it loses in a different direction. It's it's it's more just like this instead of it's it's like we just come together over the shared sentiment of holding on the things that that means something to you. It's the most more important song important, but not the one you felt

flipped you like, oh boy, this is it. I remember the day Drunk on a Plane like I heard it in the first You brought it into the studio and I hadn't been played yet, and and you were like, what you hear this song? I was like, this is a real song, Drunk on a Plane. I thought you were messing with me. And I almost didn't put it on the record. Who makes that call then to put it on the record. It just you know, I'm I'm so everyone I work with he's such an open communication.

If I like even the label with Mike and sending everyone to Capital, If if I have doubts about something, they don't immediately jump on that U set to promote their agenda. Everyone just is like cool. We all work out together and work with Mary and we just kind of like and our tour of my um executive producer and Ross and just okay, let's put it on there, you know, but didn't make it a stingle a you're talking about like complete left the center, No, remember something

like that's all. We'll never worked. Man, Rednecks don't fly like. I don't know. I don't know if it will work either, but it's it's I'm a pilot and I love you know. At the time, I was them two drinks and it was it was. But it's a huge song for me, for sure. It was a monster. It was. It's a monster, yeah, I mean and if it flew up the charts, yeah, it was big. I remember the day it came on the radio. We did a debut, like a world premiere

of it, and it played all day long. And I won't say it is, but I was like, man, this sounds really good, right, because I like things that are different. I don't. I like taking big chances and hitting the runs more so than being consistent and just you know, having that three batting average. So it came I was like, man, I love this song because this is the son like anything else, and that one of the radio gaps with a big radio guy. He was like, it sucks. Sucks,

like this is never gonna work. It's too weirdos No, it's not. It wasn't right because but like I love this. Like you know what song I loved yours it didn't work for you was Bourbon it can Talk You with You and Casey I loved that song. That album cycles so fun because I put up Bourbon it didn't work, pulled it back, put out I Hold On, which probably was a huge song with me, then drunkla Plane, which

was honestly the biggest song on that album. But Bourbon, it was a great song that Hillary Lindsay wrote, and I just I love that song. And I had to call her up. She's down an Orange beach. She had a few drinks and I was like hey. She's like, hey, what are you doing. And I was like, you're not gonna believe this, but we're pulling that song and she was like so confused. She's just like I thought the next time I heard from you would be like the number one party. I'm like, I have never had a

pull song for my life. But it's a little summer and I'm getting all his feedback that the song is too dark, and that's why I loved it, though I know I love it too, and I just everyone's everyone around. He's like, it's just not gonna work, and you've either work it for thirty weeks and haven't die in the thirties or make a change now. It was the first song off the record, and um, I hate that. It was a great tune, but yeah, just that's what happened.

Sometimes what for you because the article come in and say, hey, this is like, for example, I think, who wasn't my American kids like Kenny cut a little big Town had it, and Kenny cut it, and so no, no, Kenny had it, Like yeah, a little bit Gun had it. A little bit Gun had it. Shane was telling the story. Okay, now it's a little Shane had it. Shane, He's on a flight and uh, he's on a flight with Kenny. He plays a song for Ki. He's like, I gotta have a song. But Shane's like, I'm too scared to

tell him little bit Guns already cut it. So he has to call I have to call a little bit down Kenny Caton like I would love to have this song, and she's like oh, and Kenny's like I want to make this the single. Yeah, And and he's like, it's up to you, guys, it's your song. You've already started paying your tracking it. And so a little bit down gave the song American Kids to Kenny. So a lot of people come to the stories like, man, I had this song and then I was like, yeah, last minute,

I let it go. I have a bunch of songs that like I heard, Because the main things if you're picking singles you got are picking songs. You gotta pick songs that are that are hits, but also their hits for you, and that's that's that's how you get the big hits. How the Park and I had three hundreds. When you pick singles that are like made for you, you think the song is like Don't Close your Eyes by Keith Whitley, songs that like We're just that's the

single was made for that song. Um John Party's song during my boots. I heard that song I think before he before he cut it. And what did you think when you heard it? Huge hit? This is a monster. This is a huge song. There's a lining there about a tractor, you know, I'm like, that is I don't have that tractor. Factor. You know, I don't have that things not what I do. So like I could either try to change the song to make it work for me or just let it go and hope those guys,

you know, I want the songwriters. I want them to find for songwriters, man, they might get one or two great Now these guys they probably get five great songs a year. Right. I don't want to like stand in the way someone's like baby and then tied up, because that's the way Nashville used to be. People to hold songs like years, you know, hold thirty or forty songs to the record, and the hold was respected nowadays, and as it should be. It's not like you either cut

it or you don't. And if you're just you know, you're taking your time. I'm gonna picture to somebody else and get them to cut it. You know. Songwriters have more power now, I think than they did back and in the late nineties. Um, but so that song Whiskey Lullabys a song that came that I her and I was like and then and and why why not that one? What? What? What that just uh? I don't know just what you know, I didn't hear it as to do what the way Brad hurt it, which is genius. Um, it just wasn't

I don't know. I just didn't have it, didn't do it, didn't do something for me. I don't know what it was. But there's that happens all the time. But for me, I'd never go, oh my gosh, I'm kicking myself. I'm always like, I'm happy for that that song found the right home and made its way. There's there's always another song out there. Who have you heard the opposite where you got this song? Because somebody else was like made it a hit and they have to be a man.

You know, someone on the beach was a big deal. It really was. Man, that was like, uh, you know, I had the song on hold, and there's five guys that wrote that song and there's a lot of people wanted that song and I just who wanted it. Um uh got wrote one of those the writers of the song. Uh, I'm totally drawn a blake right now. My brain is, so what happens when you're on the road for three

days straight. But well, actually, Michael Knox, I thinks I think Michael Knox wanted it for one of his artists and what it was and we kept saying that our tour that luckily, I don't know if those battles my U one of my producers really goes in the trenches for that stuff. And it worked out. It was a big hit for for me and it helps him go on the road and kind of have a song and talking about at the same time. You know, it's it's

to be tough when you're a new artist. You know, a big song that it's different and you can kind of set you apart from other people. Um, but I hopefully they're happy there was a big hit. You know. It's like Lady, you know, Lady has you Look Good? And and that was Thomas Rhett's first that's his song, and it was he didn't write it, he had it and he was like he was gonna cut it. It's awesome the whole, I mean and the whole. But every

artist does different things with it too. That's that's what we don't know too, Like what are you going to do different about? Like Kenny's totally was like this beach five who who knows how a little big towne put it and tracked it when what they would have had as a part of this song and it's it's it's yeah, totally, it's you know, I think all you can do. I mean, it's just the business we're in in in life, in generals, you have to like you cannot like hold like that.

You you gotta be have an attitude of gratitude and be thankful for what you got. And if something it's all meant to be, it's it's that's there's a reason why you didn't cut that song. There's just want someone else cut the song. And otherwise you your drivers so crazy and you're wound be resentful and you're gonna be You're you're playing a small game and you should be playing a much bigger game where you're looking at a macro view of it, not just this micro like song song, song,

song song. If you're you know, that's not that's not the work. People trying to pitch you songs all the time. Not not your people and not people that are in your second tier. But like walking down the street people I get stuff, Yeah, I get stuff from obviously it shows and I my email address. A lot of people have my email address. I get a lot of songs out there and that I try to listen to them. And but you do. Try to listen to them. Maybe

I'll I mean, I'm pretty quick. I mean I can go seven eight seconds to know whether it's from me or not. It might might be a great song, but it's not for me. What about the legalities of it though, because I have because listen, I write dumb songs, right, I don't even on the road. Is someone like hands me a CD, I don't touch it. I goes to

Tom or Jay round of my guys. And because you have songwriters insurance, because if I have to have it, you have it like crazy, right, you know, I don't know if I have you for sure, if they're if my business manager makes me have it, find out I know, like talk to the guys in the town that have it and they and they say, it's pretty amazing. But I'll find out right now if I have it, I

don't think I do. And maybe my business it makes me have it because she knows I probably actudally steal a song and because I'm not good, she'd be like, it's funny. You have to make sure. Yeah, I feel fun it right now, I definitely have it. Let's see here, let's mark throw a up more real quick? Ah, this is not a single, but love the song. My favorite

songs on the record. I don't want to I'll be the Moon because Ryan's been in here, just saw Maaron Max stage it up and Thomas to show us like Kimble untr a song together because it kind of ruins the chance of us to be a single that I text Ryan all the time. You know, I do have songer insurance. Yeah there you go, Um, Ryan, you can I keep up? And Uh, this is the best song. He's been telling him for two years, Like the song means, it's one of the best songs I've heard. It's such

a unique like take on it. And like you, I'm always looking for songs are different, say that way you haven't heard before. The idea of like I'll be the moon man, that guy can be the sun. He can be in your life during the daytime, but I'll be there with you at night. And that's such a good idea. And she kills it. She sings that they're part of their so awesome and I wish it was a single. Maybe maybe, I don't know, but I don't think so. When the record came out, I love that song so much,

you know, And Mary Cammon sanging. I was like, you guess, have you singing on the show? Like I love the show. I love songs so much. Was like, I she's blown up obviously, Yeah, but yeah she's reulatively new at that point, Ryan, Ryan and I keep up. Yeah, I like that dude. He's a good dude. I think I'm gonna see a stage coach on Friday. So we got there. We're playing on Saturday. Man, are you going in early? Yeah? I am. What are you? Are you working or just hanging? We're

playing on Saturday night? What are you coming on Friday? We're just we're just have to get there earlier because it's such a big thing. You're coming on Friday night? Yeah, work on fight? What are you playing on Friday? So you're but you're the big You're the big name on the top of that thing. The third time, finally, it's not the top of the thing. That stage coach is a tough gig. The ideal gig is the one right before the last one, as it always is. Eight o'clock slot.

Son's still going down, they're still serving alcohol. People's buzzes are still kind of going up a little bit. They're in a good mood. Still ten fifteen. You know they're they're like almost hung over this point. You have to go out there and like just killed. You have to kick their ass. You're one of the big names, like you, there are three big names. It's Dirk Shania because that's who's our night, and then maybe it's Ken. Yeah. The first time I played there was it was daylight and

Taylor swiftled on before me. That that says a lot. That was back in That was seven and I came back and opened for Miranda, and then this time we're finally headlining it. So look at that big deal, big night. Man, it's crazy. Stage coaches one I've never been before and then played like six months ago. It's fun and we were like Oca, we were't gonna play a bunch of idiot. I was just doing stand up. Yeah, it's and everybody's like, come to do stage coach. Yeah, it's fun. We hope

you'll be in the night, will Yeah, I'll come. We'll come out of the show. We're standing in front's house close so we're just gonna about to walk over there is I guess that walkable like can you watch? Yeah, it was run back and forth. There's it's so much going on the backstage is great. There's so many different bands, and that's what's great. You got guys like yeah, when I was give bluegrass bands playing, you got Jerry Lewis

is playing, You've got country. They do a great job of really bringing like everybody in that's under the country umbrella. So we're playing a lot of the Brian festivals this year. Yeah, we're doing that Route ninety one and Faster Horses and we're doing and so Connal's vessels are fun. Man, those are particular great. He takes a lot of pride and he makes the backstage vibe great. That's what that's what

you like, you can tell. And for the fan experience too, you know, I mean I love all the vessels, they're great, but having like festivals that aren't just the kind of same feeling that kind of have this unique like ninety one has its own feel and Faster Horse does its feeling and Watershed has its feeling. The well, I'll go with Brian and the golf cart and go drive around people tailgating hole to show me where this is where

we set this place up. Just to get ice, man, they get ice any time to one here and some block and this is a pond they can go fishing, and they can get fishing poles from right here and go fishing this pond. And he really makes it unique. And hopefully we're doing some thing together. I'm doing faster horses. Maybe I'm doing watershed. I don't know. Does it feel

like you live two lives. I do live two lives because it's like the normal dude during the middle of the week and then the rock star in the week. I'm literally I've had a chance to do like some TV stuff and it would make for great TV, but I just don't want to have like cameras on me. But because of aviation and because and and I'm treating myself on Who I am on the road is definitely who I am my fans, I'm honestly in front of them,

and that's a big part of my personality. When I get on stage and go crazy, um, but I am literally I'll be I'll be flying home and the next morning my kids are younger, I'll be like in a mommy me class with a truly baton, you know, like doing like the things, but no one the right mon possibly think that I was doing this, you know, like because I mean, I'm all in on the dad thing. Like I I there's nothing beneath me, nothing I won't do. I won't do anything, and so it's a it's definitely

I physically I am two places it once too. I mean I get very little sleep. I know, I'm up every morning early because I want to have a full life here and one thing it takes a toll on is the sleep. But I really am physically sometimes in two places at the same time. I want to end on this. And I wonder if guy a question for you are cool? Uh, okay, let me head first and then I'll come with you. Guys, what NAP? I walked by your book every day and it was in my closet.

They're not symbol drives me crazy all the time I see, I go do you get paid on that nap? Nothing? Zero question zero. NAPA buys a studio sponsorship and it's in there. And and I wanted that book to be

just random pictures. And so just like the book is all random stories and I just want and NAPA, we had to make the decision do we not choose the picture because there's a logo, or do it is a part of my life and a part of time, we were like, you know what, they just I really like working with an appo because they're fantastic, but also it was like, you know, this is NAP Weirdly, they're a big part of my life because they allowed me to eat.

The sponsors of the show allowed me to eat. We had to have a meeting to go on the picture of the book. There's a NAPI logo. Do we cut it? Do we make it black? Absolutely? And it was just I just tried in that book too. As much of my life there really was just let it be. I just see that all the time. I was like, it's so funny what you got. That's so funny you asked that because we had a whole meeting about that. I was like, just let it be and no, no, no

money extra. We don't think we ever even told him. They're happy. We know, yeah, um okay, might hear my question. So when the a c MS happened and you were you were hosting, I was back before presenting. It was crazy how call him and chill you were in between.

We were just talking before going on and I just got to go on do album in the year and I was rooting for you, and I said publicly, I wanted you to ain album in the year you didn't win, which sucked, but I wanted you to win, and so I opened I looked at the card ahead of time, and I saw that it was Miranda who won, and I went over to Mary and told her so as if she wanted to tell you, so you wouldn't be like, let did she tell you or did you see it live?

I mean because because I went over, you know, the award show stuff. I'm I'm as competitive. I'm I'm I don't know anyone more competitive than me. I'm really really competitive. But and there's times I've lived and died by the award shows. And I'm in a place now where I like, I love being nominated. It's awesome. Winning would be nice, but I'm minute to win much bigger, but it sucks for you. Like I wanted you to be honest, man, I'm like, yeah, I'd like once I can think people

like you have played you played. I don't you know you've played songs and given a chance agat things. God's going I want to think Mary, I want to take my wife, but man, I just want to I want to be honest. All that one you're gonna you're gonna do all that. You get the trophy. That's great, but winning in you can't just win when you have I'm winning. I feel like I'm winning a life man. I have Like I get to go to that and that's great.

And I I didn't win Album of the Year, but when the show's over, I get to go back to, like this great band I got to play. I agree, it's awesome. That's my awesome. I'm just telling you. I was like life, I was sad he didn't win, and I was like, this is this is just boy looking at a boy. And I was like, Mary, if you want to tell him, I don't want to. I don't want to, like on TV, like be like, if your album's out the same year Moreno's out, you're not. You're

not gonna get a way. That's the way it goes, and it deserves certainly. So. She makes great records, got a great voice. He's a great friend and I'm happy for she. And it was a double out. As an art piece, it was a fantastic art piece. I'm just saying for you. I looked I wanted to see it that I went and told Mary your manager. I was like, he didn't win. So if you want to tell him, just so she's used to, you're not winning. My sister calls me the Susan Lucci of of country music, so hey,

better be that than nothing else. But I I'm I'm so appreciative every worship been nominated for it, him saying this in all honesty, But I would tell any younger artists out there, do not make that your goal. Do not look at Kenny. He never want anything to like he was already playing stadiums, lutism and a whole lot of stuff. He did start winning till he's already playing stadiums, Like, do not focus on winning a piece of hard word. It's so silly, and it's a lot of it's voted on.

As you know, I'm not gonna tell the listeners, you know, just enjoy your stick. You don't want to see how it's made. It's it's not a free process that stuff gulds vote on. It's really not, and it's it's not the true judge of Like what is good is your audience. When you go out there and you stand front that my phone and they sing songs back to you. That's what any younger artist should be focused on. And that's

what I focus on. There's times the middle of my career where I didn't and I got frustrated, but I I don't. I don't care. It's hard. Just popped up on notifications. It's the best one choruses of all time, like hooks of songs. Now it's not even country songs. Like if I say Ashley Simpson pieces of Meat, remember the course that song? Yeah? I mean, and I don't. I'm just looking through some of this list. I mean, I can sing all like the Muana soundtrack. I have kids.

I bet you know all that. I mean, I can sing. Yeah, I want to get here and see the top of these real quick. I can sing here we go, all right, here we go top ten? You ready. Miley talks Wrecking Ball that everybody knows that they came in like a rick. Don't your voice ride with me? You know that one? If you want to come and take a rib with me? You know the Nelly Nell? Yeah, sort of. Georgia Lins already got to say I was a flow rider, Oh flow right alright? R Kelly Ignisia Rex. I don't know.

I'm not trying to be like Piani or something he has. He has a whole video. Yeah, he has a whole life. You notice that, I'm like the wrong. I listened like flattened scrugs. I'm like, I don't know anything about they say, Katie very teenage dream. Uh yeah, I know a song is give me a little piece. This is a top

for me. That's it. Yeah, I wouldn't like how about Empire state of Mind, the whole the jay Z stuff, Yeah, this whole his things so good that the one about ambience min ambience in New York, Concrete Jungle mad or the top five. Then you can't this when you get I bet Jimmy where all the middle? Oh you don't get to it just takes sometimes you do that that? Yeah, don you do that? Your show? Uh were part of it? Yeah, we did parts of all kinds of I am like,

I'm honestly this is not outcast, Miss Jackson. No, I'm sorry, Miss Jackson. Who I am for real? Never meant to make your mama you know that one? Oh my gosh, No, I know Rosald Kentucky and uh you know, no Skinner Blues. I'm just killer, Mr Brightside because I missed love the killer. You know you guys, no, but I saw them play. When they play the like the great thing to living in Nashville, you see, like everyone comes through the rhyme, and I saw them play the rhyme and they're still

on their way up. It was it was awesome man. Number two, since you've been gone, Kelly Clarkson, since you've been and number one is Carly Ray Jackson called me maybe my son's favorite song. I know, I know, I know that a song as my son Knox is three. Call me maybe. We listen to call me maybe, like it's still ten times in the car, but we just got into it. Hey, I just met you. This is crazy, but here's my number, so call me maybe. And oh the other boys try to chase me, but here's my number.

Call me maybe. And before you came into my life so bad. You should know that. I mean, I know the whole thing, man, But that's it's embarrassing. My son loves that song. I think it must you know what it was in the movie Sing. That's the reason why I know there's a TV show a movie called Sing. It's like a cartoons and it's so good and oh my gosh, Matthew McConaughey, go back to your original thing about people you text and what text you back Matthew McConaughey.

So I did a thing for him called matt Jack and Mac. It's in Austin. Austin. Yeah, it's Mac Brown, Matthew McConaughey. And I'm so glad this happened because I can tell you the story so anyway, and he like, uh, you know, it's really hard to couldn't do it. As the schedules are working out with he all three of them like called me texting one day and Matthew McConaughey like called me, like, whoa Connie just called me? This is crazy. He's texted me. I decided to do it.

Text little bit leading up to it. Well, then afterwards I hadn't you know, I watched the movie sing you know, he was the voice of them in the main characters, and I was like, how do you put this Bravo sing so good, Bravo, Bravo and an idiot Bravo. I don't think it's even those film as a new film, and like just yeah, nothing came back on that one, and oh no, no, no, I haven't heard from that one. I think, I think about I used my one chance

that with mcconnay and this nothing else. He's not texting back a stupid comforts. All right, there we go, it's already over. It's over. We talked for hour and time just flies by. It was really fun. Man, Thanks, I appreciate you coming by. Congrats, Thanks, thanks a good thing. Uh. You know people listen to these for weeks and months ago. Awaits right now black a single. You know, these podcasts are definitely not time sensitive. But it's the crazy thing

about it. It's like it again, but I talk lifestyles, talk about food, nutrition, whatever you want to think about this. Dex is like I want to do a podcast. I'm like, I wan't to talk about yeah, life hacking and how we can keep it. He brought me a book, yeah, the Tool, and I haven't read the Tim Ferris book. And it's like it looks like if you were to stack three Bibles on top of each other, it's three of grinders like yourself. Man, I'll put a note in

there for you. You did put a note in there. Yes, I appreciate it. All right, episode what's that? Except for Derek's good to see you and now I'll probably see you a couple day. I'll see Friday night talking about I'm cooking on. All right, come on, I think I've been to your shows more than anybody else's. Like, really, I've been to more of your shows than anybody in town period. Yeah. Starts a way back when d C thanks,

it's the first big one. Yeah, oh yeah, you like like con but I think I'm saying seven of your shows I'm in became of the most the biggest one Bashel, which I appreciate me lest night, that's a big night. That was That was a crazy that was like everybody was like, okay, he's that was your moment into that you're now in the eight Wherever you want to say it is that that was your night where you kind

of jumped up sometimes. All right, whatever you want to say, all right, Derek send thank you and thanks to Blue Apron wat for flowers, and we'll see you guys next night