#53 - Jake Owen

though I haven't. But something too is like I think too, like about going into the show on your show, as great as it is, like like you know today, like I showed up here, like I don't have anybody with me, you know what I mean, with all due respected people around me and in the label and stuff like sometimes for all of us artists, I think I speak on

behalf of it. Was like you sometimes go to that show and like you've got so many people around you and they're trying to tell you things like you don't know, like you've never done this before, Like I don't know you or you know what I'm saying, and it always seems like it's kind of you mentioned long form earlier with more of a short form kind of short interviewee kind of thing. It's never really that comfortable. So I was looking forward to getting comfortable in your chair at

your home, man and chatting with you. It's a thunderstorming outside too, so the ambiance is there. Juice story, So all I know is about I better go, Jake since me at Texas. Hey, I'm coming over. Yeah, I'm gonna stop and get you some men. You know, no good fruit? Do you like grapefruit juice? And I reply back, not really, but do you mean quote grapefruit juice? Because then not really, which was funny. But see what my mom raised me. When you go to someone's home, uh you know, it's

like nice to take a gift. And I was like, well, you're a healthy guy, and I like juices, and I had to go there anyways, garps and juice today. I thought you'd like some juice. I like grapefruit juice just be I'm a Florida guy, like that citrus. But they sometimes a grape frutjuice can get a little acidic, so they throw that mint in there. To offset it. They make them in a nice craft, so I had her make a grapefruit have they She said, you have not

tried charcoal water, which I highly recommend. Wait, who said, how does somebody know what I've had? Uh, well, there's a girl there that owns the place, and I guess not at a few other people have gone there before and picked you up some juices. And I said, have you ever had has he ever taken some of the charcoal water? She said, I don't think he has. So I had you a thing of mint charcoal water, and then cash you milk, which is great. I'm not sure if you're a cash you guy, but I figured to

give you a different choice. And where are all these toys? It's like, you know I was gonna get you for Christmas? We no, no, But here's the this is the thing, man. And I thought about like making up an excuse as to like why could and then I'm like, this is the honest truth. So I called her that's upset it all up? Was ready to go there today. Well, my dog, I thought, ran off because I was in the studio doing some singing in my house and I looked everywhere

for him. Gotten drove down the road was screaming, and uh, he was locked in my bathroom downstairs in the in the garage. She locked himself in there, which I never looked in there. So I searched for an hour, so I was behind time at this point. Then I literally can't find my wallet, so there was no way I could go to the place and actually pay for the juices.

But couldn't you as Jay Going, the guy they know, the country star, say hey, let me just put this on my and I don't expect you to do it, but I'm just saying no. I thought about that, but I was like, man, that's even weirder than just being honestly. They're telling you that I can't find I mean right right now, I'm gonna be honest, like it's a weird feeling not knowing where your wallet is. Oh, you don't know what what it right now. I've looked forward for like

a day. You'll find it, you know what I mean. But when I find it, I'll get you some you know what's gonna be a day though, is over the threshold of you'll find it. Yeah, But I checked my debit card and there's been no activity. I don't think it's stolen, but if you go over a day, it means it's somewhere. It's it's out of your normal circle of cycle, right, so it's hard to just stumble upon it again unless you remember where you went. I just

constantly I am losing losing things. I've told people for a long time, Like I literally a lot of times I don't don't know where my keys are, I lose my wallet, but I can remember everywhere, Like on the way over here, Snoop Dog, What's my Name? Came on on on random Shuffle and my iTunes and I was just singing every word. And it's odd that you can remember things like that, but you can't remember where to put your wallet in the same place every time you

come home. I'm the opposite. I can't remember a lyric to say in my life, but you have. You're meticulous about facts, and it's not even. I don't lose things, and when I do, I know where I lost them, Like I can go, oh, you know what, I lost my keys? Where would I have lost my keys? And I can go right to them without no one can't do that. It's weird. Get parts of the brain, Yeah,

but it's odd. I can remember things back when I was a kid, I mean, like detailed things, and my mom even to this dale say like, how do you remember that? I don't know. Isn't a funny remember phone numbers though, like as a kid, like I remember my best friends phone number. You don't have his parents might do that. Okay, well still somebody has that number, probably um, but yeah, I remember all. We don't have to though.

Now I don't know directions for the most part, because I have a GPS in my car, and it's like I don't know how to get places because I usually just let it take me. It's the world. The world's getting too easy, and when it all goes down like Walking Dead style, We're all gonna be really screwed. It's the people that remained think it's down like that. Of course I love those shows because I would love for the world to end while I'm on it. Are you one of those people? I didn't see a bumper stick

around your car down there? Zombie like zombie? Nope? All I think this is what I hope. I hope the world ends while I'm here. Why because think about how many Yeah, it would be awesome. No, think about how lucky you would be it's like palm trees and sunshine and stuff like that, and that's cool and you're gonna to experience that right now. But think about how many people did not get to experience into the world. All

the people didn't get to experience that. You get to experience the final We're gonna die anyway, Like we're just a bullying in the earth time just I mean not even a blink. What it's like this goodbye in that one blink you get lucky enough in that one blink of a twenty four hour cycle. I don't know if I want to see that, Like already I'm paranoid right now, I can't find my wallet. It's the challenge I thought of, like the world ending is is that that does lots

to me. I'm fascinated annoying, where like I don't want that's that's that is the thing to her to have a full, beautiful life that she hasn't had yet. So but think about the real competition that it is. Think about the competition to be just to live, like I live for competition all sorts, like oh I love it, Like that's the ultimate competition, the struggle for life against everyone all the time, and I would love to be a part of it. So you want to be a

part of like last Man Standing of life. If it's a game show, I'm like, who cares? I mean, I'd like to win it, like to win the extra money. They'll be fine. You want to be the last guy on earth? I want to be one of the guys running a village. It's like dominant eating Really. Oh that that thrills me. I mean, I get I like that you're honest about that. I would love it. I mean, like, I've never thought of it that way. If I have to I eat, I eat a human in a second.

I just know that I want to win, and I want to win everything that I do. And that's the ultimate no no, But that's the ultimate competition. We're basically animals. We've been were domesticated very much. So imagine we're not anymore. All of a sudden, GPS, no cell phone, it's off, no power. Can you imagine what we would turn into animals? Again? We turn into dogs and here we go, who's the strongest and smartest dog. I might not be the strongest, but let's see how smart I really am? Oh man,

I would love it. I've had many conversations about this. That's that's like my fantasy is the end of the world and I'm here because we have different fantasies. Man, we do. We're messed up in different ways. Um, I'm drinking amano as water because I didn't get anything. Do you mind telling me a little bit of like amino acids for a second. Yeah, because I don't sleep well.

They help with sleeping. They Yeah. Basically from what I've learned and listen, every single fitness person I've ever met in my life has different theories on every single thing. You kind of collect what you believe and you kind of read science a bit and didn't do what work you and you find what works with your body. It's also with people and weight and muscle. Everybody's different. There just isn't an answer to how to get skinny or how to get but what what does amino acids do? Really?

As opposed to like I guess, you're depleting them while you're working out, so you're just adding them back into your system basically, and it's nothing where it's making me any better. It's just trying to help all the suck because it's I suck. Because I don't sleep. I feel like you need sleep. Man. It's the single most important thing. Like it literally is more than working out in order. It's sleep, eating good and working out. How many hours of sleep you get heda you think like it'll be

this is my issue. Tell me be in bed tonight. I'm in the middle of riding my second book, so I'll have to write. And this is one of the Bobby Cast. It takes my days and makes them later. So where I would probably start writing right now and write for ninety minutes of two hours, I won't start

until seven. So I'll probably right till nine, work on this show till ten thirty, a late night, fall asleep round eleven, get up at three and so, and then you run all day and then uh, you know, I go all day on a normal night, try to be in bed by eight. But and then on the weekends it throws me. I tore every weekend. So I'm gonna stand up now. And so I I go to I'm the Saturday night in town oddly at the wild West Comedy Festival. Be here unfortunately the only time I don't know,

But I wouldn't expect anybody to. You guys, gotta work. I'll be there. I've told you that before. I love comedy, um, but then to every weekend, so I'm up till one two am on the weekends, so I never My schedule is never the same. I don't care about me. Why I'm talking about me? What do you do for fun? Man? Now? I don't you know? I'm staying in the shower. Let me tell you get a conste you have to talk

about you don't? Yeah, I don't. I don't like talk about me really it, which is weird because I talk all the time, but I do it. I feel like a couple of I feel like you talk about yourself all the time, but you talk about it in a way I like it. That's exactly. I haven't liked to control compliments because I don't feel comfortable getting complimented. So I'm much better. Do you like the feeling of? And then we'll get off you talk to you? But do

you like the feeling of? Because there is also a very satisfying feeling, which I think that's what us as entertainers like, of almost knowing that you could fail, but the feeling of not failing is so gratifying, like, for instance, like like, do you know when you walk out there in any crowd you're gonna do you know that you're gonna crush it? Are you? Like there's a chance that they might not like my jokes? But I think by going i'm your competitor. You said, I'm gonna go into

it thinking I'm gonna crush this audience. But like, does it make you uncomfortable if it like if you're out there and it's not. If I'm not uncomfortable, it's not fun to me exactly. So I go out and what I do, and what I've been doing is working this material. And the thing about stand up is you go out. You I can't sit and practice it in my room. It's like not like playing guitar. If I'm gonna write a funny song, I play a funny song, I practice it.

You know, fcg you know, do my little chords, play a little whatever. You have to go out and do jokes in front of people, and you have to fail a few times before it works. So if I'm not in every set, I've got some brand new stuff I'm gonna try. And I'm always a little bit nervous about that new stuff because I know some of it's going to bomb hard, and it's so exciting to me to fail. Oh I love it. I love it so much like it.

That's the most thrilling thing to me is making yourself completely vulnerable on stage to bombing your brains out, Which is weird because it's such a juxtaposition of my life where I have I do not have the ability to be vulnerable to humans, but I I search for love on stage from a crowd that I know no one but in real alive. I for some reason, I've not been good at accepting love. So I think that's being and I'm trying to change it a bit. And it's tough because I don't think I don't do good at

letting people in. Ever. Hey man a buddy of mine. He's a great songwriter. Speaking of songwriters, um, and his name is Jared Mullins. He wrote this new and this isn't a plug of my new single or anything, but he's a great guy and we were talking. We always talked about this, and I gotta He gave me this book that I'm gonna I gotta get the name of it and get it your way, just just you should read it. Though I can't think of the name off

the top of my head. I started reading It's amazing, And that's why he read it, because he's like, man, it's a book about this guy as a comedian, and he hadn't because his life was all about being funny and and being that guy. He never found the other true side of who he was because he felt like he was always a character. See, I feel the opposite. I became someone who was funny because I didn't have that other I didn't start out as the character. I

couldn't find the other one. I couldn't find the other one. So I'm not a character. Well I'm not saying, I'm just saying, but yeah, interesting wondering like what if you am I to someone else? You know what I mean? Not that it matters, but this is deep today. It's what we do. You do the same thing, Like why in the world do we try to get on and I get on the radio and try to do my little performance? Why do you get on stage? You do you performance? Like why would you do that? Why? What

what are you seeking? Well? I was thinking about that a second ago. I was like, what made what made you like like yeah, I think everyone thinks like yeah, I think I'm pretty funny or I'm humorous or something, but like, is it the challenge of it because you're being a competitor or like, are you Like I think I'm so funny. I can walk on stage and like make people laugh because I think I'm funny. But I don't know if I'm I could be I could do that because I don't know if I'm but nobody until

that you do it. And I sucked, and I love sucking, and you can you can isolight that clip if you want. Yeah, but I love it was so thrilling to me to be bad at something and to why to myself grow and get better. And I guess that's cool. It's like the self fulfillment of getting better at something. I'm telling you it's the best, like going out and just bombing. Let's see, like five or six weeks ago, had a really bad show and I came off stage and I was just like, Oh, it feels so awful that it

felt it felt so good? Well, can I ask you? I mean, probably the worst thing that anyone that's a stand up, because I have a few of my friends that here's the thing about me being a stand up, Like I don't even consider myself a real Do I go and do stop comedy? Actually? But do you like sit there and go so this guy like you're not telling jokes like that's more of life stuff. It's funny. Yeah, No, I write jokes like, but I don't. There are guys that picked their whole career and do that, do that.

It would be like me consider myself a musician because I go play two thousand people a night for the raging idiots. I'm not a musician. I'm just an entertainer. Do I get up and play songs and dude? And then do I do I do stand up? Yeah? Do I do a radio shop? I'm not really great at any of them, but they're all challenging to me, and I love them. I'm a I'm a radio guy who also probably a TV guy too, I could say, but I'm not like there are real standing there are real

stand ups. And I don't consider myself in that same vain because I haven't put in the hours of just going on the road for five nights a week and dirty clubs like I started in theaters. But's it, Let's see how good this goes for ten minutes and it sucked and that was it and they got better that's cool, and then didn't and you know, things miss and I love it when they don't. I love it when what was the weirdest show? Who was terrible? Was there anything bad?

You think? Like? Did you like read? You like left? And you were like waiting for reviews to pop up? Or I do that. I don't worry about reviews because I feel like we're regardless, it's gonna be bad. I feel like everybody dislikes me, just generally in the world, and I have to convince every person to like me because everyone likes here. But this is how I feel that everyone dislikes me because I've grown up being different than everybody else. Was the poorest kid. I was a

white kid in a black neighborhood. I was the dirty kid. I was the southern accident kid trying to be on the radio that you should have never been on pop stations. And I got a country and all of a sudden, I wasn't country enough, when I'd always been to country, and when a cowboy had I was. I've never ever been in a place where I've been the liked person, so I've always felt like the guy that's fighting. That's

just punching underwater. And so like my whole life, and so it's built into me that nobody likes me ever, and so I have to convince people like one one one, And I know I walked a room and it's not true. And I know, like my brain says it's not true, but my heart says it is. I walked into the room. Everybody hates me and I have and I know that. Like when I say those words, it sounds stupid, logically stupid, but that's how I feel because it's just how it's

been my whole life. They do. But I'm also nuts and I have. I know that, and that's okay, and that's that's okay. And so you know, I've been a lot of therapy and what therapy therapy had It made me least done that. Man, but I thought about it and it made me lest nuts. It's made me see that I'm nuts and use tools to go, oh, this is you being crazy right now, take a step back. Relationship right now. I have trouble sometimes because it's going great and it starts to be too good. I'm like, Okay,

something's gonna go wrong. I'm gonna kill it. I gotta kill this thing. And I go, whoa, you're an adult man now too. You're not nineteen anymore. So I say to myself, you have a great relationship with a great human. Don't have this up and after just pull back and look at it that way. But you should. I love therapy. I loved it. Excuse my interruptions, Like, you can get therapy. I remember, it's like therapy. Nobody from small talk, and

I'll go to therapy. So I went therapy. I was like, whoa, I can tell somebody like my whatever and they don't really care, and they'll just give you an opinion with nothing like they don't care, they have they don't see you out later and they don't worry about your attitude. Six pm. Interesting. I was like, it's awesome. So I embraced it. But yeah, whatever, it's good to see you. I got Let me talk. Let me talk about sleep number for one second. So spring is in the air.

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you about it because I love it. I have one upstairs, and I have one upstairs here where the studio is, and have one downstairs all the way down there too, So sleep number of beds. Check it out all right? So uh, like what is your deal? Like you're just not around as much anymore, dude, I gotta ask you that. Man.

You guys have said that to me before, and I was like, damn, like like like I didn't know how to take that, not that you were saying it like maliciously, you were saying it honestly, but it like I was like, damn, really because like you think, like, dude, I've been working so like so hard and probably a lot like yourself, you know, I this is all outside of my little girl, which is the greatest thing that's ever happened me. Um, it's like all I have, you know what I mean?

Like every day I wake up, I'm like what can I do today? Like almost to a point where a lot like you were just saying, like, dude, I've got people that you know, that I work with every day, that I that I respect more than anything, But like unfortunately sometimes on their behalf, like they get like this side of me and it's like, so like what's next?

Like I'm not. It's not that I'm not happy with what's what's going on right now, but I'm constantly looking for what I can be better at, Like what you were saying earlier. I think it's part of just being um competitive or whatnot. But that's all I do. And especially uh, ever since I got divorced, you know, like I don't have my little girl here anymore, and um she's in Florida, and and so I see as much

as I can, but on this time off. Like, man, it's weird to wake up in my house every day, like if I'm not on the road and just go like what am I gonna do today? And most of the time I pick up my guitar and I'm writing something or I'm trying to create something, or I'm working with buddies on it. And so along with all that said, like it's really weird to think like how hard you can work and then be dating. Really and I have

I been? Have I disappeared because it part of me feels like I'm just now getting back, Like I think when I went through all that, personally, I think, uh, I kind of took a little sabbatical, you know, a little bit but as far as like um on the radio or whatever, like it's something about the radio, because what I don't I don't hear them any songs in the radio. I want to talk a lot too. If a song plays, I'm not listening to it because the volume down, getting ready to whatever about to do. So

to me, it's not even a radio thing. I just and it could have all been. I mean, you had a thousand things happening in your personal life and you got freaking divorce and your kid goes away, Like that's gotta be like your heart getting ripped out with your kids moving to three states down that it was like we was a text all the time, and all of a sudden it was like I didn't if Jake, I don't gonna have never text anymore. I just figured, you

know what, he's having a time whatever. Whatever he's happened in his personal life, it's happening, and I just you were just gone. So I apologize about that. I know it's not apology. That's why it asked where you been, like like in a good way, like what have you been up to? Like I I've been doing a lot, man, I I've got a lot going on. Car Frankly, I was with a management company for a lot of years

ended up. Um we parted ways. We we still have great relationship, but I had like bigger aspirations as far as branching out. I love country music at the core of it. I love it so much, and I love um traditional country music. But I still have this longing to want to always do more. And uh, I love the entertainment side of things. I've always I've always done things like hosting and that. So I'm working on a television deal right now. UM that I've got going on.

I have a whiskey company that we've talked about before that takes up a lot of my time as far as just help promoting this brand that's really taken off to the point where we've now acquired h Our Vodka Company. Then both of them on their in their own right

are doing really really well. And what's weird is is because being a guy that like play guitar and a barstool cover songs anything from swee Holm Alabama to Shanondola or whatever, I didn't and when I dropped out to move to Nashville, I never thought that I would be Um the CEO of of a company and they have a lot of people working for me, a lot of

and the more as it started. As much as I sometimes try to play off, maybe like I'm just laid back Florida guy just just got bare feet because the beach all the time, man like as a man, a thirty five year old man, like I'm sometimes like, man, I got so much going on, like I'm exhausted. Meanwhile, still trying to find happiness in like something or someone out there that it's bigger than this day to day

life of singing songs. Is that wonder with that? And I don't know if you're still dating the same girl explaining some girl, Yeah, I've been dating a girl for a while, So I gotta wonder, like after a divorce, because I'm gonna tell you afters and and if I have a friend or I have a co worker and they lie to me, I'm like, man, like I'm out for for it's hard for me to come back, Like it's a tough one after you get out of a marriage.

I've never been married. So you're talking to somebody who don't know, how did you get back into another something with someone at all? One year, three year, seven years, like yeah, I just think you feel it, you know, Like for instance, I thought I thought of that, and I did think of that when I got divorced um. But my dad was married um at an early age and had my older brother and sister half brother and

sister from a previous marriage. But if he hadn't have found it again, or if there's no such thing as finding love again, and he would have never met my mom, and I wouldn't even be in this chair right here. So I found a lot of solstice or whatever you wanna call it in knowing that like love is there, don't matter what, just about finding it in the right way and not looking for it, Like are you sure? I'm not? I don't even know about love, Like I don't even know about it, Like I don't even know

if it's a fairy tale. People just say, I don't know. I'm in a great relationship right now, best ever been in. Right Well what what like? Are you happy? That's the main word, Like, as a human being sitting in that chair right now, are you are you happy? That's what all that matters. I think I don't I'm happy. I'm happy, Like I feel good about saying that, Like I might not have everything in order. I might not have everything that like I wish was like the way it should be,

which frustrates me. But like as I sit here, like I've got a lot of blessings in my life, Like I'm happy man, Like I'm a happy dude. So that's why I ask you, like, I hope you're happy, because like we're pretty lucky, man. But since I got here, I don't think I'm lucky. Why I don't think luck happens. I don't think. I think everything that I think you

you work your way into luck. I don't believe in luck, Okay, I just don't believe in luck, right, I look, it's like it's not necessary you gotta believe in I mean, you think you work yourself into a heads or tails, like someone's like this piece of candy flip enough coins and you sit there and grind it out to enough coin flips and actually you're gonna hit your heads sometimes you hit that first one. It's about creating your own opportunities.

I think that I'm not understanding what I have in life, which it makes me happy, like I wasn't like and I'm not not thinking I'll be honest, like I didn't work myself into like being uh a dad, Like I got lucky that I had this little girl that like changed my life, Like I'm lucky that I was born in It happens to a lot of people, Like I don't luck you win the lottery even then you had to go buy the freaking ticket you had to go with that certain time. I don't know, you just I

just you didn't plan that out. You didn't work so hard to find out what time you need to be there at the time to buy the ticket. You know, it's just luck. Dude, I'm not gonna un luck. You're not gonna convince me of luck. All right, I'm convinced you work for everything and that your opportunity to happen

because of the work you put in. Well, I'll tell you, dude, I've been really, really successful in my life, and a lot of it is because, yeah, I worked at it, but a lot of it is because I was really lucky to be there to the right time, worked and got in the right spot. This is different philosophies because I'm the minority philosophy on this, and I understand that that's probably why I'm miserable. So you're not happy. You

just said miserable. You don't have to finished many percentage of the time I've started to find I try to find bits of happiness and take those bits and really go, man, it's awesome right now before I let it consume me again. And so I'm always fighting get to the next island of this is cool for a second. So are you a glass half empty or half full kind of guy? I'm I don't. I want the glass to stay together

and not break. Yeah, that's it. I don't care. I'm to waters in there like I want to keep what I got because I don't think it's it's such just like it would work on my job. But I don't think it's gonna last. I don't think this is gonna last. You think I don't. I just don't. So everything that I have, I put it all into it, and I go save all the money again, do everything again, because it isn't gonna last forever. And when it's not, you

know it's not, then it doesn't. I'm not. I'm not a pessimist, though, I believe you can work and achieve whatever. If it's physically possible, you can do it. You can't talk a basketball from four ft one. So I say, physically possible, you can't run up. There are people that are born, so let's remove that part of it. But if it's if it's physically possible, I believe you can work and will your way to it, regardless of what

it is. I think if I want to be the president United States, I could be the president United States. I'm a kid too, grew up in a town of seven hundred people in Mountain Pine, Arkansas. No my family graduate High school, Mchlas College. But I could be the president United States. I think you can if you wanted that. It may take me a long time. You may take me thirty or forty years, but I think I could do it. I think anybody can. Yeah, that's yeah, that's

like dream big. You know. I believe in that philosophy, and I believe that you working work to do mostly anything. You know what I mean. There's things against you as a human. It's just will make it physically impossible. Well I said physical that was my only rule. But outside of that, I believe you can do anything. I think people can, and they underestimate themselves so much like people go I was, you know, this is my area code is my zip code. This is what I was told

I need to do. There's there are no rules. There just aren't rules in life. Even in music, there aren't rules. And you know who comes along. It makes a difference to people that goes that these aren't rules. Let me go do it this way, and most of them fail. But the ones that hit boom, they are home run hitters. They make the new rules for everybody else. And let's say you fail. Let's say you fail, you fell miserably, Okay, come back again, swing again, keep swinging until you hit. Yeah,

and don't stop swinging until you hit. Eventually you can't hit, that's why I believe. And once you hit, you're probably gonna strike out again. That's how you strike out is because you have the nuts to go and try exactly. So I love anyway. I love to fail. That's like I love it. It's not fun right when it's happening, but it's awesome too succeed a loss. But that's why I was like, like, I was, like, where you been?

It's so I've been just yeah, because your Fay keeping that glass, your famious Jake going though, so people expect famish Chack going to be out being famishack going, and so I got a lot of stuff that's not famish, take going stuff like you're running, you're doing business stuff. Yeah, well, like you said, I mean I think a lot of it. Like you said, there, it's like keeping the glass together. I've got a lot of stuff going on, which keeps me making sure I'm one of these guys that can't

just sit back and do that. Well that's cool, that's happening. I'm always wanting to be involved in it, and so it's trying to make sure that I'm that I'm in all places while still compartmentalizing each one in order to have a day to day life. Is is interesting because I didn't getting back to I said, like, I didn't learn that in school as like a business guy or something. I've just kind of had to learn this over the years. So I've been, uh doing that. I've been making some

new music. I, um, what if that you making new music? Like, are you working on another record? Um? Not necessarily, I don't think. I'm just I had this idea based off of the way that I've I've seen music being consumed these days that um, people, when you're lucky enough use that word luck or worked hard enough to the point where people are admiring what you're doing, it's important to

continue to feed them. And I feel that in a way that the music business UM can sometimes be antiquated in the way that they're let they're allowing the music to come out, especially country music. It's the worst format ever. Well yeah, for for music and for for the way as fast as people are able to concern it. So I I'm been doing all I can for people out there that love my music to give them as much

as I can, you know. And and uh, if I have a song or I have an idea of something I wanted to, I don't think just because I have a single on the radio. My theory is this, it is because there's a song on the radio that's that's being pushed by the label, and we're selling the album that by putting out another song on iTunes or out there on sound whatever, giving people something else to chew on UM only makes some like this a little bit more because it's something else that makes this more viable.

And uh, instead of the thought that this is cannibalizing this does that make sense? Like future at least an album? So here's a good example of what you're talking about. And by the way, I agree with you completely, and I think the putting out twelve songs that once album idea is awful now I think it's I mean, look at look what what John Are did. First of all, I thought it was brilliant. We had time to do with the two different waves of three and but we

had time with each of them. But in our formats, like you have to put out a hard c D because it still hard, but we got about the hard album and twelve at once, like having two quarterbacks. Even if you got two great quarterbacks, you got a bunch of great songs. People aren't really going to get to love all of them because it's all at once, always

compared to like there's always three times a day. Yeah, I agree, but there's a lot about it too that's always sketchy, because there's a lot about I think one reason music has become somewhat disposable sometimes and I think you probably feel this way, Like I love music, I'll fall in love with music some certain new song or something, and then because music is so accessible now and iTunes or Spotify or whatever'll have the newest latest what's happening,

like I'll listen to that one day and no matter and don't get me wrong, what's great will always be great. But sometimes because of it, there's so much distraction that it's hard to continually focus back to one. And I think maybe that's why to like a lot of sales have declined a little bit, because the more you're giving people, the more that they can't just be focused on that one album or that one thing and hope for the

next thing. I have a niche theory when it comes to people trying to make it in the creative world. Now everybody wants to be super famous, right everybody. I want to be super famous. I want to have everybody loved me. I want to hit a hundred percent of the historical That's virtually impossible now it's and it's getting even more impossible because of the distractions. And it's not they're not distractions. They're just a part of the world

now right there. It's just every day we think their distractions because we're our thirties and we didn't have them ten years ago. To someone who's eighteen, not distractions, it's every day. So you can get more out of focusing on your eight percent and super serving them. Then you can get out of trying to give a hundred percent and be super famous. And if you focus on your eight to ten percent and give them exactly what they want, you were going to be so much more successful than

if you give a hundred percent. This little a little bite. You gotta get in where you fit in and hit it and stay true to whoever you are. Well, it's it's funny you say that, because that's really what I what I've been doing, um with my music. I mean, these songs that I've been working on. I finally realize it's funny. Um. I released my last single that was on the radios called if He Ain't Gonna Love You. It had Chris Stapleton on it, uh singing backgrounds, and

uh it was something that I really loved. I love that song. Um, but I think it's so different from like this coastal field that people have come to enjoy for me. Uh, there it is you here Christens back. Anyways, I think even label wise people that are behind me at the time, like you know, they'd be lying or any of us be lying to say that, you know, as well as Chris is doing right now, as well as we've known at greatest singers he is for as

long as we have. It would be great to have him on a song with us and put it out, but with as great as his voice is, as great as that song might be, Um, it's not really what people see me for and see me as, and I think it's an artist for the For a long time now, I've I've honestly battled like what I really am and kind of what I want to be and and trying to do all of it as opposed to do what you just said, doing what I'm good at and just and and giving that to the people that love it

instead of trying to appease to everyone. And so I've even noticed it with my show, the way that are like it's so it's started to get so much more honed back into the way that I grew up being from Florida. The songs. I loved being in a riverside cafe and seeing this band called the land Sharks come play when I was a kid, Like they played Jimmy Buffett songs and it was like really kind of cool at reggae field mixed with all it was just it

was great. And I've noticed that now that my show and my set and my songs, this new single good company, like everything feel is like me, which makes me happier. I don't feel like I'm trying to do something that's not comfortable. I'm gonna play some of this. This is a good company here happy. But I hear that, did you let somebody talk you out of being you? Um? No? You know what I can honestly say, and I'm not one of the I love people's opinions. I respect everyone

I work with and always have. Um that that just factually can't be true. You can't respect everybody work with and you always have. I respect their opinions. I don't have to say I respect them as a person and some of the things they may have done before. But like, I respect their opinion. I think I think it's in order to do good business, and and that's what this

is at the end of the day. I mean, I can sit there and say, oh, I'm an orders, I'm gonna do it my way, it's only my way or whatever, but that'd be bad business, you know what I mean for me, So in order for me to do good business with people that I'm in business with, I respect their opinion and so yeah, there were times where their their opinions were different than mine. Um. And then there were times that mine was different than theirs. And I was wrong. I mean there were times I was wrong.

Like I released Days of Gold as a single, UM and it went it It went like fifteen. And this was after I had like four straight number ones in a row. UM. And I think everyone puts so much emphasis on a song going to number one as opposed to it just being a song people like and and and you can get so consumed in this town of where a song went and if it's not doing well. And meanwhile, people out there they don't care. They just like they just like it. They they don't care about

the bubble. It's like people in Nashville in the music industries like high school. Yeah, I mean it's like a high school and it's and you have the same little club of you got the jocks and the cool people and the nerds and the Yeah you're right, it's it's and there's the same gossip. I mean. But it's like every workplace. We think we're getting older and more mature, we really don't. Our problems just become different. We're all the same immature people. Now we just got different bills

to pay. Yeah, I still feel like I'm constantly every day like working just to better myself. When you ask what I've been doing, and we've been chatting about a lot of stuff that kind of leads us back to this, like I've been doing. It's just trying to figure out how to be a better mean dude every day, honest to God, because I've I've I've found myself in times where like I'm like, man, I'm not heading in the

right direction, and I got to redirect myself. And sometimes that sometimes that transcends into my music or the songs I'm writing, or the decisions I'm making. You know, when you're going through the divorce, do you ever have a personal spot where you're like, God, this, I mean, this

is really awful. Yeah, And I don't know about this. Uh. You know what's weird is is like while I was going through the my divorce, Um, they were down in Florida, and uh, I have this little townhouse that uh that I have over in Bellevue and where my house at the time was getting renovated because we were I was renovating it because we bought this house. I loved it and wanted to renovate it so for my family, you know, to be there. And when they left, I was like

under renovation. So I'd have anywhere to go, and I'd come home off the road and I was staying at this townhouse and that townhouse I I've owned since I was a single bachelor and lived there by myself, and like it was weird because I remember those days of like being twenty five and twenty six and whatever and being in that townhouse and like where I was at

that point in my life. And when I left there and got this beautiful home with you know, a gate and like everything that like a secluded place for me and my family, I thought that was it, Like That's how it always would be. And so when there were nights where I'd wake up or be by myself in this townhouse in Bellevue, h literally there's no furniture in it.

It's completely empty, and I had to blow up air mattress and some weed, and like I was disappointed man in myself, Like not so much on the weed thing, but I was just like I just would like bet not disappoint out, just like damn, Like did I what did I do to like be sitting here by myself right now, Like everybody thinks like like you just said, you just said a second AGirl, like you're superstar jakeoh Man, are you supposed to be doing with superstar Jaco Is.

Then I come home off the road, like literally, like the night before I would be just playing some huge

festival or something. We're thousands of people and like they're screaming and yelling my songs and trying to get backstage like the thing that everyone And then I would get home the next day and be so lonely and be by myself in this town house like with a no ship an air mattress that I would like I had a hole in it that I would like tape with some duct tape each night so the air wouldn't come out, and I would just like kind of figure like I feel like I gotta ride this out and see where

it goes. Like you know, I was working on things, obviously, but that was a little that was a low point for me, like where and then it was weird. I did my daughter for a week or two uh or four days and then give her back to her mom, and like it would be the highest high of having her, and then she leave and it was back to like whoa like am I back to like a single dude again, like trying to like do I need to go to a bar or something like meet a girl? Like where

can I meet a girl? Because she doesn't care who I am? Like gott to be impossible. Yeah, at this point, I don't know how you do it. How do you meet a girl that doesn't care who you are? I met a girl. I think that, well, it doesn't care who I am. You know, I need to know what field ten so I can make a correct judgment on this. It's a totally unfair judgment. But I didn't know what filled too is in Uh, she is in the home furnishing,

she cares who you are? Then you think so yeah, And I don't think it's a bad thing, but if at first it's so shining and it's like, look, I think she would be the first. I mean, we've dated for a little while now, you know. And this is actually the first time I've ever said on air on anything that I've been dating. I might have told you one time, and I've told you, but never anyone else iver really talked about it. But but um, I'm I'm happy, like when I said I was happy earlier. Like I

think this is a derivative of it. Um is having her her name is Erica um in my life like she uh, she really likes like, Um, she likes me for me, honest, I can sense it, like I'm I'm good and I'm like you rather like I'm always looking for ways of like Nope, this is like going to right, I gotta get away from this, and especially coming from what I came from and having a relationship just explode, like why would I ever want to do that again? Um? But I think there are certain times where you find

yourself like and it's not a lonely thing. It's not because I need like wanted someone in my life. I just kind of like drew me in. And there's a lot of normalcy to her, which I love. Is she's so confident. Yeah, like she she has to be. She's Yeah, she's very confident, and uh, she's just a you know, she's a good girl. Like she's never one time ever like questioned me about you know what, why don't you call me last night? I know you're on the road, Why don't you call me? Like were you with people

or what we're like. None of that, it was. She's just like, hey, call me whenever it's okay, are you honeymoon period? Still like not at all? That's cool? Is she still romanticized by the Jaco went on stage? Cool guy artist? Um, she's really proud of me, Like I think she's proud of me because she's been around me long enough now to know that, like, who I am on stage is not the exact same person off stage.

You know, it's a version of you. It's a version of me, And I'm proud of that because some people I think they can be something on stage and then be totally something different offstage. Like my I I love being the person that is able to bring happiness to people. I love that. There's no like. I love it, and it like hurts me inside sometimes when I've said things I don't mean to someone that hurt their feelings, because I'm like, man, that's the greatest feeling for me is

knowing that makes someone happy. The worst feeling for me is knowing that I hurt their feelings or I did something just because I can be arrogant sometimes or I can be whatever. But her, like she's always seen both sides that she's seen both sides of me, and and I admire the fact that she uh has letting me be me and while I'm still figuring out how to be a better version of that person, she likes interesting. I kind of believe you. Yeah, it's it's tough. You

have to understand. It's tough for me to sit and go huh, because I would think someone would need to have an understanding job, meaning they understand what you do. To fully understand what you do that makes sense, Yeah, like they need to understand that there's all this awesome stuff, but there's also a lot of crappy stuff that comes with it, and just not see that. Right now, you make a good living and you're kind of famous and

that's cool. Where if someone who kind, for example, like my girlfriend, she's an artist and she I mean, like I see her grind and she sees me wake up at three in the morning, and it's it's it's tough, and I always want not her. It's just one of them. But I would always wonder like why did I would always feel like nobody, why would anyone want to date

me unless they wanted a date? Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying I feel that way, and you're like three times, you're like way better looking than me, taller, you got more money. You know, there's all these things. No, I just think I'll be honest, I've had my share of like the whole careless side of dating and not

carrying and stuff like that. And then I really get like I still look like and I would I feel okay saying this, but like I still of love my my ex wife, Like I don't have feelings for her like the love of life, but I have I have this love in my heart for her as the mother

of my child. Um, but I also still like to like I've moved on, and I feel really good about caring for someone else in that way too, Like it makes me feel good to know that someone relies on me and like if they need me, like I would be there for them. And uh, I like like it kind of gets back to making someone happy to like I just love the ability to fulfill someone's need and desire for whatever that may be. And uh and and it fulfills me. You know. So you're looking at you

like very deep. No, I'm listening to your words, that's why. Yeah, Like I'm genuinely listening and taking it in here. Well, I've seen my parents. They've been married for thirty seven years, and I remember when I was a kid man my dad, who loves my mom more than anything. But like I see where I get this like like just angst sometimes and like because my dad was the same way, and he would come home and he'd be like, Mitzi, you know, why did you spend this amount of money at the

grocery store? You know, And like he could have come home and been like, hey, guys, how are you you know, but like that wasn't my dad's demeanor, Like he had probably got a high bill or something at the office. And after working all day, I came home and that's how we'd start the day after my mom had been cooking dinner all like half the night, because we'd have dinner every night around the table. Like I was lucky man,

using the word lucky. And I feel that way, like I was likely to be born into a family where I could sit there at night with my twin brother and my mom and dad and talk about life and what we did at school and stuff. But I get a lot of that from my dad, of like where he just gets this like what you know, my mom be like, I had to buy a groceries to cook this food that we're gonna eat right now that I've

been making for you all day. And then so there's like this and my mom always said in relationships, it's not fifty fifty, Like relationships are not fifty fifty. She's like, there were days where your dad gave literally two and I have to give N's interesting, and that's true. I never thought of it like that. You're that's absolutely right. And she's like the effort. And then she's like, then there's days where I give of care and your dad had to get he knew it, and he had to

give me eighty. She's like it was finding that balance. And and and they're right because I watched my parents and they love each other more than anything, but I've watched them getting all out, like you know, matches of of not you know, disrespectful, but just yelling at each other like people do. And and and that's the thing.

Like I've also learned too, and I'm feeling more comfortable in my life and career now talking about the reality of the things that happened, as opposed to trying to pretend like it's things aren't real, you know, you know, it's it's odd you mentioned the thing, because it's like I never thought of it like that. And it seems like every time I do want to, somebody says something and I'll give you an example coming for a second.

But it's more like it is fifty over a relationship, but not over a day or a week or a month, because then maybe one day, maybe the next day, yeah, it may eighties, but it's not fifty. But in the end it kind of has to be over the long term. It just switches. It's like it watches its sum. It averages out. I guess is the way the wait just

the averages out. It's pretty good. I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a convert right now because here I'll tell you I was talking to Ross Cooperman and man, we were talking about you know, we had a really good talk and he's coming to the Standard Show Saturday. Just talked to him and we were just you know, you kind of get lost in these conversations and didn't feel like this microphone in front of you for a while.

And we're talking about songs, and I'm just so interested in the songwriter part of it for me, Like that's why I started this thing, Like I'm interested in songwriters and why they write songs, artists, artists or songwriter, songwriter, song I just want to know, like I want to put some light in a place that really there's not a lot of light shined on. And so I was like, so tell me you write these songs. These these guys

take these huts that there aren't. There's like most artists, if it's fifty fifty or if it's sixty forty, they'll still go with their own song over another cut if if if it's close. And he was like, you're right, that does happen a lot, he said, but you know, here's what Kenny Chesney had told him. He said, you will sell more and merch if you have a hit it's not yours. Then if it's a great song, then if you have a good song, it is yours. The money you'll make. And he was like, that's what a

lot of artists. And again he's a songwriter who isn't and who's not on the radio. So you gotta understand what's coming from a bias agenda field place. We all are eye him. You are everybody is. But he was like, you know, that's what the new artists should know, and that's what artists should know, Like you should take outside song from songwriters, because here's Kenny Chesney, who I don't know that Chesney writes anything on his records anymore. Yeah,

he doesn't very little, ye so, but he's not. He doesn't. It doesn't matter to him. He wants to find great songs what's And that's why Kidney has always been great. He's found the greatest way possible of doing something, whether it be a song, whether it be a show, whether it be his body working out. Like the guy does everything to a high level, and he expects a high level of of everything and his music. He's written great songs that were number one hits. Uh, you know, I

go back. He wrote that by himself. I think, um, but a lot like I've learned from him being on the road as many as much as I was. Where he was like, Jake, you just gotta take what's the best song. And he's right because my first two albums I wrote every song everything, and uh, it wasn't until I recorded Barefoot Blue j Night and heard Eric Postley singing the demo on it. I was like, man, this sounds like me. And I didn't write it, but it

sounds like me. I thought, was it tough for you to take an outside song for the first time and go, well, here's what a lot of people don't UM know either, Like when you come to town, when you're come to town and you're just a guy that just trying to make it and be validated as a great Like I wanted people in time to be like, man, if you heard this j kid, he's a great singer, he's a

great songwriter, he's a great all. I felt like in order to get that buzz happening, I had to write my own songs and write with other songwriters and show that I could that I could do that. But and I was also with a buddy of mine who was helping me. We were writing everything together, and I was being loyal to him, and um never realized that by reaching into this beautiful, deep well of songwriters that you

can't have a hit that and people don't care. They don't you're just as much valid they don't know if you have if you because you know what's funny is I think probably a lot of people thought I probably wrote Barefoot Blue J Knight because it was so much like me but made it sound like you too. Yeah, well, thank you. Yeah. I think that's what I realized, is it?

I had hits by songs I wrote I had a career song by taking an outside song, which that career song started a string of Alone with You was next. They went number one. Uh, Anywhere with You was the third one. It went number one. Old on a second, let's let's let out my steck. Let me tell you

my favorite Jake On song, this one Heree song. And that's not some beechy coastal song, you know, that's just a song that I And what's funny is Shane mcinnal I wrote this song and I told him for a year before I recorded it, I don't even have it on hold. I was just like, dude, I love that song. I was like, I hate the line in it you got edge every time you call? Uh? He said, you don't what the I sang and change the lyrics. You've got me out on the edge every time you call.

You know what he said originally in this in that line, no kidding, said you've got me running with scissors down the hall. Yeah, you know okay, and he said because he was right reading a book called running with Scissors, dude, and I was like, no, that's terrible. I was like I can't know, and like I was like, I don't run with ever since my mom was like I was a kid, my mom's like, don't run with scissors. Like, and I understand the idea of it, but like, isn't

it more of a metaphor? Now I'm not saying the line was right now, like the line change, but it's in't a medapal run with scissors like it's a metaphor. Yeah, it's it is a metaphor, and I know it was a metaphor. But there's also lines and songs like that's the thing getting back to taking outside songs. There's so many times I hear songs. I'm like I love it, love it, love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. What did you just say? I'm like, uh,

And that one thing. It's kind of like, you know, people say they're not like vain or whatever, but you might be like super into a dude or a guy or whatever and be like I love everything about it. Oh my god, he's one like big Toe. It's just like and it turns you off. Right, I'm not saying I've ever done that. I'm just saying people people, people can be like particular about certain things, and that's how

I am with songs. Like if I hear one thing that it'll throw me off, so I either have to rewrite it and then just say, hey, man, I'll cut this song. I just had to rewrite this one part. But that's why think I'll tell you I've never done You can ask Eric Passley this, and he talked about it on this extensively. I cannot take credit on like, even if I write something within a song, since the

song wasn't originally my idea. I can never feel comfortable taking credit for for that because they set me up for the home run I just and I didn't have anything to do with it. I'd rather give the credit back to the songwriter. That's where to do. Songwriters man or songwriters have made my I'm a songwriter, but these other songwriters in Nashville, Ross Coporman, I mean, he he produced and and it was a big part Shane of

my last album. UM And without these types of guys like I wouldn't I wouldn't be where I am in my career, I wouldn't have the things I have in my life, no way, absolutely not. So I always got to give that back to them. Yeah. Eric talked for a long time about how you came into that song and fixed it to be you a lot and didn't want any credit for it. Like he was like, it was kind of unbelievable that he came in did so much rearranging of things that made it feel like your

song and never asked for anything. You know, man, I just don't. I don't feel like it's right. Plus it will all come back around one day, you know, like I've always looked at it, like you do the right thing right, good things come back around. Barefelt Blue, do not never want to learn with you? Number one? I want to got away When we got away number one. I wrote that song, uh true story about a girl that just came to town in a small town if you're a beach Florida and met her one summer and

she went away. I never met I never saw her ever again, and I thought this song actually would like story that person would pop up and be like, did you ever look for on Facebook? You never even look for I don't even have a Facebook. Yeah, that didn't mean you didn't have Facebook like old Jabe, Twitter or something old Ye, my Space. I looked up around my Space a lot of places in our lifetime. We've got to see it all, like start how about too? Yeah,

another song I didn't write. I did not write that song. I just love it. David Lee Murphy wrote this song I think with Ben Hay slip and uh oh man. I feel terrible. I'm forgetting the third writer on this song right now because we had a great night at the d m I Awards or game last show that I did there. You came out the first time and introduced him. Actually, if you remember that, yeah you did. Yeah again, it's been I've been here four years now you did. That's when I gave you that photo of

twenty years. Yeah. Does it feel like you've been here a hundred years? Yeah? But I love it here like I moved here because I love it here, Dude, I love it here. I hate the industry. I love the people, and I love the part of the country. And I love the listeners of my show because they're normal people. I need to be a normal person with them. Yeah, I hate the music industry. There's see, here's the thing

about the music industry. And this is, dude, I could say whatever I want about the music industry and that wouldn't matter one way or another as far as you know how I feel or whatever. No one gives a crap about how what I think. But I do believe that there are so and I think you have to admit in this like the music industry gets a rep

for what it is. But there's so many great people, dude, Like, there are so many great people and so many people and so many like, there's so many people that have helped, like, and I keep going back to it, like I know because I messed up many of times. I've said things that people I should have never said. I've done like and I've said things that I didn't They weren't even meant the way they received them that were played against me.

But I've learned that like in a town where people and then this business, which is creative, by the worst thing you can do is be like the negative nanny of the day, you know about the business, because I found like it can turn against you quick. I just check out of it. I have nothing to do with it. As little as possible. I have to do with it like, and that has been my reputation, and at times it's not been good because of that because I just don't. I don't go to the record parties. I don't go

to the fun cool stuff. I'm gonna go to the nothing. You'll never see me at anything because it just name one thing you've ever seen me. I try to be name one thing I challenged it. One thing you've ever seen yet that there wasn't something where I was part of, like a bull. That's what I'm saying, Like you have, that's something you had to be there for, like red carpet or something like. Right, But you're saying like you can't. Yeah, you came to my thing in the b m I Awards.

You can because we were friends at the time. What do you mean I'm still your friends? You know? No, No, But I'm saying we're friends. No, we've definitely had because we're both very because you're you're you, and you're not as weird as you are. Dude, I won't argue with that weird. I don't. I'm gonna argue with that. But when you get to you said that before we used to be friends. Just when you get too sensitive, No, that's not true. That's what happened. One time. I got it.

There's a few times. Once you bad mouth me in a bar in Dallas to some listeners. How what you know? Go with it, dude? And I was like, dude, what's up? Like why would you do? Because they recorded you and they sent it to me and I was like, dude, what and you were like, uh, dude, I was drunk and it was I was like, you never sent me that text decision. I don't think I ever said that. See, I just think you get too many cool people text messages. And so I was like, all right, because remember being

look what you like. I don't even know what this happened, Like why why did you like badmouth for me? What did I say? Uh's a lot of a lot of stuff, But it doesn't matter. That matters to me, dude, because I never heard about it, and now you're bringing it up on your radio show. And so I'm dude, I'm all about I'm the most honest. The reason I'm here is because I feel like I've wanted to know you better because I don't like people know me that well.

I get that you talk about that, you know, it gives me the best people that listen to my freaking show. That's the place where I can be the most vulnerable and honest, Like right now, I would never say that. People ask me all the time about you all the time because because that's why you get drunk, get angry and drunk that dude. First off, I never in my I like said that, but you were so drunk. I

was just like, why would you say that? Like my feelings were because I really like, no, no, I can I tell you you really want my honest opinion because you say you don't care about what people think. No, no,

everybody cares what people think. Dude. I one thing and maybe and I think over the years, like because I didn't like, I didn't go if you remember, like the first time I ever met he was at the I Heart thing that you were opening up on or whatever, and the guys some label called me and they said we were coming out as we're the Bobby Bones Show. Yeah, and I went to it. I went to it because not only yet did the label say, hey, you should

go to this and be a good thing. But my but our mutual friend Andy Roddy was like, dude, you guys hit it obvious great and like and we and you're right, like you got And it was funny because someone else had said that to me it might work with you or something or on the show. I was like, yeah, are you and Bobby like all right, and I'm like, yeah, I don't. I think so, I don't. I don't think I did anything or maybe but when you're now talking

about that, uh whatever, I said. The only time I can ever think of anytime someone's asking me about you, like how's wide bones? Is that guy? Really, I'm like, yeah, dude, you're a solid dude. But you do sometimes on air, and I'll be the first person to tell you. You can hate me for this for the rest of your life. But like you sometimes for the guy that's Pimp and Joy, you sometimes like Duke Christir some drama on people, But like,

you can't be two different people. You can't be the guy pimp and Enjoy and the guy over here talking to Rogers all the time. I'm human, I'm a human being. I going cranky, I going okay. So then you're expecting me then, for being a human being. When someone asked me and I've said that, I'm like, you guys get this, and like maybe, but I don't even I don't, and I would own it if I said anything that was

that negative. And I appreciate the fact that you, like are just bringing you brought it up to me right now because about it. But I never but I never, I don't. I don't think that ever happened due but then I got over it, okay. But I also think that we are human beings and we have the scale of awesomeness and awfulness and middleness us and we have all of that and we have to and it comes out. It doesn't matter how The best person I know in the whole world has got a dark side right like

the and I'm the same way. And if I act like I wasn't, I wouldn't be honest like I'm not. I don't ever want someone to go like that's just the best dude, because I'm not the best dude. I don't never claim to be the best dude. I try to put out as much good stun as possible. But I'm a humanist can possibly be and flawed as anybody. I'm with you on that, So I never claimed me mr, And I do get this, And I was like, well, how can you be so pous and all of a

sudden get ticked off because I'm a human being. That's where that's where my Sometimes I think when I did, and you know I've called you before. Do you like I listened to your show in the morning every morning when when I go to the gym, the first thing I turned on, I listened number one because I just think guys are funny too. I like to hear what's going on. Three. I like to hear the new music that people are making music. It's the only time that

I actually get to hear it. And uh yeah, There's been times where I'm like, dang man, like you said a few things sometimes and I'll be like, God, can't believe you said that. And that's from a person that's like your I thought it. I still think i'm your friend, dude, Like, oh no, no no, I do too. I think we're definitely cool, like we're friends again, or I would have you in my house like that. That just wouldn't happen. And I only and I wouldn't even talk about this if we

weren't friends or friendly. Every friendship and anyone anytime people have a friendship or whatnot, and arts could be through business whatever you want to call it. But in any friendship, there's always times where someone is not fully understanding the other person or because you know, I don't know, I'm sorry, dude said something that ever like made you feel weird or like like disrespected you or something, because that would not be disrespect not how I that's not how I

like to be. I get dispected again, it's just me things. I feel like I can dispected everybody all time, so that part of them bothered me. But I was like, man, like one of the dudes, like one of the dudes that consider my dudes, and I got I put them on one hand. I felt like, man, it was bad bad mouth to me, but it hurt my feelings. But again, you're all if you were drinking. I was like, how

can I? But still I'm human And when you say things like man, you do stuff on there, and I'm like, that makes me feel good because that knows that I'm being real. Like all I can ever be is real, and if I ever am not real, if I'm ever just so positive all the time on the air, that's fake. That's fake. That's not a human being. And I can't not be a human being because the only thing I have is to be real and sometimes people hate me

sometimes like yeah, but like I get it. But then like there's times you're like every day is a good and so why don't you look at it like that all the time? Because I can't look at anything like anything all the time. Really, I went and I about two years ago, I was like, I started to feel like I'm going to push out a more positive and make a difference to more people's lives. And that was

my goal. And you have, dude, by all means. And I tried, and I fail a lot too, I do, I feel a lot, but you know what's funny, come on and this is the truth though too And maybe sometimes why maybe certain artists all however, like because it's

you have in something that I believe in. I think it's great and I think you know this you have you know you have it, like you have an unbelievable influential power for people the same way they come to me, because they don't really know anything about you other than what you tell them every day on the show and this and that. So people come to me or any of us as artists will be like, hey, what's that guy like because you're everywhere, but they kind of know

who we're what we're like through you. Thankfully, you know you're giving us a chance to go on your show and talk and play and sing and uh So it's kind of that thing where like no one's really truly no, Like you know what I'm saying. Does that make sense? You're looking at me like you're confused, and I probably said that confusing. No, I don't think I've ever looked at you confused. I'm actually listening to your words, and I think this is different for you to have someone

actually just listened to you. Really, I said, I'd just be like, oh, did you Jay go and do something funny like really no. But I appreciate the fact that we brought this up though, man, because like, yeah, I makes Like I said earlier, there's nothing that makes me feel more awkward in life than knowing that I did or have ever said something that because I've done it. I've definitely said and done things that should have said.

Remember that, dude, I don't remember that though. That's the thing, like I would be one would be like, you're right, dude, that was messed up. But like I swear to I swear I don't even remember that and haven't heard it, don't whatever. And I would love if you ever come up with that to play it for me, because I'd be like, damn, dude said that. But I have a hard time like I can't like says when I don't know, like I haven't, I haven't. It doesn't like I'm actually

over it. You have like like, yeah, that's weird. It's like it's like it's just like a Donald Trump thing or something due or like someone was like recording me while I was saying something. Probably can people do that? People that to me too. Yeah they fished and it happens. But you gave me a huge compliment and I appreciate that. What did I say that I'm human and I still get to come I come across this human on the air and flawed because if I don't, that sucks. Yeah,

and I'm very flawed. And if I am not, then again it's like I'm not doing my job. And sometimes if I don't. If you have so much to say every day, dude, that it's got to be hard anyways to like here's the thing for me. The difference, Like I go on stage each day and play the songs they want to hear or whatever. And each night I do different things that make the show individually different because and then there's people that come to the like the

same people that come to the show. It's like you like, there's that that same thing. You have people every morning that listen, but like each day you can like you're having to talk about so much stuff that you can't always be can but that wouldn't be. That wouldn't be why people wouldn't tune into you. And I'm okay with upsetting people as long as I'm upsetting them if I'm

being honest. And sometimes I go home and I hate myself and I go back on the other next day and I was like, God, I was such an idiot. I should not have said that. Yeah, well that's maybe what That's what I If I've ever taken anything away from your show where I like, I would feel like, man, that's that's where that's where I would like, Lie, I've ever talked about about you on the show, I don't think so. No, not really, but I mean like, but no, not me. But you've said go ahead whatever you want

said what I said about know about me? Like we've talked before about like when you I've come in and you're like, yeah, Jake doesn't like us anymore, and like I was like, I don't even know what that means, Like I don't feel that but here, and you know, this is how the whole show feels about And I think I feel that way because like that is my moment to be there with you guys and talk and have fun or whatever. And like I'm like, damn, it's because you've felt it before. I've been in your show

and you've been like that was that was awkward? You know, this is how our whole show feels about you as a group, because our our show is tight, right, Like we've been friends for a long time and so and we fight amongst the show, right, but it's like a family because we mean lunchbox, Tie and Amy and I've been together for thirteen years. You don't stay together thirteen years if you don't want to be together that long, right You When you come in, everybody enjoys you so much.

We feel like we can give you a hard time because we crush each other. Well, pop like that. I like getting crushed sometimes you do, and sometimes we're like, oh at he took it a little too like he took it a little too like we give it to you a little too hard because we like you a little too much. Know, well, you're I'll give you the freedom now, you know. But I think that's why. And if it comes down owing that, I'm like, all right, cool, If we really give it to somebody, that means we

really like them. And maybe that's not translated as well by us because we just feel like, oh, the part of the group, we can make fun of him, and that's probably on us for not letting you know that we feel like you're one of us. Ah, well, I appreciate that. But when you come in, man, we go hard because we feel like, oh, there's one of our we have seen a while, Like it's our buddy from freaking dude, it's so weird. You don't understand. Like I get off on playing guitar and singing songs and being

the guy that knows every song. Dude. I'm like, it's funny you were talking you talk about and he's been on your show multiple times. You're like, this guy is a human jukebox and me being a competitor. Craig Cambell and I love Craig greatest, singer in the world. Dude, nice rainbow just came outside, beautiful. The rainbow comes right behind your head, Bobby, Uh, but be being a competitor. I'm like, nah, not like, dude, I know every song it's a man. But what's weird is and this is

the same thing. Go back to your show. Like the girl I've been dating when the last song was on your show and I forgot what it was like when it was a few months back. I stayed up, dude all night thinking of a song that I could play on your show because I wanted it to be awesome because you have so many awesome people on there. But I also knew too, Like like I was like, what

could I do to be cool cover? Because you know, you're like like hearing like a chick song but done by a guy, or like a pop song like tons man, and like it literally like and I've never done that in my life. Like I usually like that whatever I got into rate you know tomorrow. But like I stayed up and I was still the day when I got there. Driving down there, I was like, what am I gonna play? What am I gonna play? I was like, nervous, Dude, I don't know why I got nervous, man, But that's

an on i'd be. I would be lying if I didn't say that. And I don't know why I feel that way, Like when I go there to y'all show. This is what I think because it matters to us when you come into I think we care about how each other feels about each other. Yeah, I mean that. I do mean that if I'm being if I'm letting my feelings on the day, there's a rainbow out outside the window, so you can let it out. I think

that we both like each other. I think we care about each other, and so that puts the pressure onto a little bit, like we want it to be great because it doesn't get to happen often it does. We want it to be the lightning in the bottle that we felt like it should be. I think that's probably

what it is. And also, you're weird and I'm probably weirder. Yeah, And our mutual friend is weird too, and he's the weirdest doing the whole world like weird, Like yeah, because he's one of those guys too that one minute you can catch him and he's like totally like have you go the nexting, he almost feel like you don't know you. And I think that's why him and I were so good together, is that it didn't matter. It was just like you want to lock yourself in the room. Okay, cool,

I'll just watch TV. They just didn't you know. Yeah, yeah, Well we've talked about a lot. I told you, this is a whole different thing I got. I mean, I haven't have like the jams over here, like you know my favorite one this side it's right, I mean, like who is Jaco and singing a second ride? It was this guy that would just I literally I wrote that song in Tallahassee with a buddy of mine, Eric Durants,

And actually we were part of it in Tahassee. Part of it was in a van driving back from Nashville. I got it. He had his tour bus like they were on tour in a rock band, and I jumped in his van and rode back with him to Tallahassee and we wrote that song. And then you don't even like it doesn't sound like your vocals don't even sound the same. But there was I've gone through a lot, like when I worked with Joey who did all the Florida George a line stuff and all that he actually had.

Barefoot Blue j Night was out before before the FGL like big Cruise thing and all that. And if you remember, and I'm not just saying this as bragget some people hate the song whatever, but like when that song came out, Barefoot Blue j Night, it sounded just different than than other stuff that was on the right. People my songwriting friends now that will tell me, they'll be like, man, there's times that we're in room and people were like, man that they're if a blue unright something like that.

When it came out, just it sounded different. Um. And luckily when I met Joey and we did that together, he changed like my whole world, my perception of the people that were listening, not only like like visually from the things the way things changed, but like sonically and audibly and uh so that guy was previous early stuff that was just I don't know, man, I was trying real hard to like just to put out a song

that worked. Like I think when you get a record deal to like you in the early days, like you're so focused on trying. That's all I had. I dropped out of college. I told my parents I was gonna do this. I was gonna like I was like doing anything I could to keep the glass together, and I'm still trying to keep the glass together. I don't think we ever stopped. Yeah, I don't think it ever stops. Yeah, you just I'm just you're constantly. I won't say I'm worried,

because I'm not worried about what's next in life. But I don't like the fact of knowing that, like something's not doing as well as pass subly. Could you know I feel about this one. I love it. It makes me happy. What do you think about it? I think it sounds like you. That's what I've done interviews recently for this song, and people have said to you there like, dude, Jake, this sounds like you, Like I'm happy to hear this is your new single because it sound When I heard it,

I was like, that's Jake. But people probably also told you that he ain't gonna love you. I was like, Oh, this is We're gonna blow this up too, and it be awesome. That's why I don't trust anybody, cause people just tell you what you want to hear. Yeah, But I trust myself and I trust my judgment and I trust the fact that this song is just feels it feels good to me, man, and and if and if it if this doesn't work, then it felt good to me. And I can really I've told you it multiple times now,

and I've told other people. So it didn't work, and then we'll see what happens in where I go from there. But at the end of the day, I have a whole lot of fans and I and I make a good living. Um, I'm able to do everything I want outside of maybe seeing my little girl as much as i'd like to. Um. But I uh, I'm getting back to what I said earlier. Man, I could I honestly, I couldn't be happier in my life. Like, I don't know what I could have right now that would make

me way happier than what I am right now. Like I'm pretty comfortable. I finally realized that I just it's okay to be me and just be cool with it. I feel like we should pay each other for therapy session, but they we'll be back even again, so we don't

owe each other anything. I Mean, someone said to me the other day, They're like, it was an interview that I did and this lady said, you, Jake, I remember there was a time where you were telling people I read it and Rolling Stone that you didn't want to be pigeonholed as just the the beach guy, the guy that you know, that's all it. And um, she was like why because that's isn't that where you're from and kind of what you know? And I said yeah, and I was and not looking back, that was probably not

this one of the smartest things I ever said. Hey, I had a lot of these, and apparently every morning you listen, I say a lot of dumps. Are your feelings hurt? I like it? Really? Yeah? I love it. You feel like we got real. I feel like I'm glad you told me that about me, man, because I was wondering what was like, you know, up your skirt about me. So I feel a little better now. I've already told you that, but honestly I don't think you did. But for sure did remember remember it like an iron

freaking trap. Well, I'm glad you know, at least we got it out there. I feel good about it now. I felt good anyway. I felt good anyway before it Like I was like, you know what, I've also been able to let things go as I get older a little bit more, you know, And I don't think I'm as beefy and feisty as I used to be. Still am there's still a part of it. Well, I'm glad that you and uh, you and kid I got that

stuff all figured out. We did. We went to lunch school and you were talking earlier about him on a podcast. I'm like, that's interesting, Like he has must be buds now, Like, no, we're not buds, but I'm not. I'm not buzz with anybody but keep and I got into it was because it was over the thing. But it's like when your buddies with people, like you tell everyone like, this is my buddy, this is my buddy, and then when you're not buddies, don't you know, I don't hang out. I

have no break up with your friends. Dude, did we break up for a while? Now, Like we broke up. I think we probably just took a break. Yeah, I just like went out of town probably. But again, even with the kipt thing I on the air, and this is probably was me probably as you would say, Dick, I was like, dude, stop with the phones. I stop yelling at people from snapchatting your phone. This is what happens at a concert. It was. My opinion was it probably rude and not polite to say on the radio

and not something under DJ would do. Yeah, probably, but it's really how I felt. And he got out of me, and again kept and I both sensitive people, and so I think all of us did do this. You're creative, we're weird, have to be sensitive. So we were like, screw it and kept on. I went to breakfast and we just talked about it for like an hour and a half and then it was like, all we're good. Like I'm crazy, You're crazy. I see why you'd be offended by this. I still stand by it, but I

see why you would be. And he's like, and I see why you would say that, and I still think you're wrong. But it's like we're a good place. And like Kevin and I were John Merrishaw in Minneapolis at the same time, and he was like, hey, are you here, And it was like, how good was that show? By the way, let's talk about that. It was really good because it wasn't the Hits totally, and as a major fan, I don't need I don't want to hear your Body the wonder Land. Yeah, I didn't need to hear that either.

And he played he went no he but he played Why Georgia. He played Why Georgia at Ours? Did he play neon? He did? See he didn't play that at ours. But he opened up with moving on, getting over. We went not the same as seas to me. Do you know? Do you know him at all? So? Yeah, dude. So

here's what's crazy. Speaking of Andy, So because of the tennis world, that's how I know Andy, which for those of you all that are listening is are is Bobby and his mutual friend Andy Roddick, who was number one in the world for multiple years tennis won Wimbledon lamomal Uh, my best friend Marty Fish and Andy were were all. They lived together, played basketball in Boca Prep like we played. Uh,

we played tennis as kids together. I used to laugh because Andy'd be the only guy that like show up like all of us are like just kids playing in tennis fermants. And Andy showed up literally like sponsored by Prince Prince, shoes, Prince Rackett, Prince everything. His parents were like right there behind him. So anyway, a long story short, the whole tennis world and community as they grew and got bigger. Um. Then Andy and Marty became very very

tight with James Blake. Um. James Blake if you know you guys don't know, James is African American tennis player. UM from Connecticut, played at Hartford, super super smart guys retired. Actually the same guy that was standing outside that building in New York City and randomly they just took him down. Yeah anyway, um, Um, Thomas Blake and James who I'm speaking of, grew up in like just outside Hartford in Connecticut, right next door to John Mayor. So he and John

Mary grew up together. So yes, long answer your short question. Do I know him? Um? Ten years ago, eleven years ago. He came to Gainesville to play when I was in college, and I loved he had the inside once out a little acoustic, comfortable, and which is why I played that that day on your show. I love that song. Victoria's on that album, a lot of great songs, and UM, I've told James was like, dude, I'm such a big fan of this guy, Like it'd be awesome. You guys

should all come down. We'll go to the show together. So we did, and then after the show, Uh, we went to this little coffee shop together and it was I mean literally the show was no bigger than the exit and if not smaller, and we all went out and got coffee together. As at the time John wasn't drinking or anything. It was like the straight edge part of his life and um, interesting human being. He's a duck, sure,

but that's why he's still nuts. And Yeah, and I loved the show, Like I learned a lot about it by going and watching it. Um. I love the different um chapters. I liked the differently Yeah, and that's why it's great. Differently but simply And that's the that's the beauty of it when even when you think of a guy like Merl Haggard, like he was different, but he was simply different. You know, there's nothing that like there's so many simple things about John Mayor and the music

he makes and the and the things he plays. Um, because I love guitar playing, but I'm a huge fan of drawn to tone and and and and what you're not playing like what and like for instance, Love on the Weekend to me is was is the hit song of that wave of the of that album Search for Everything, it's the hit. But if you think about it for a guitar player like John Mayer, who's such an amazing guitar player. That was the first song that they released

off that album. But when you listen to that song, other than the melody dune dune doodoe dune doo doo doo doo dune, there's no guitar solo in that song. How cool is it to be like the greatest guitar player in the world and not do what people expect you to do. Right, let's go listen. I don't think it's a hit on the record, but I do think I do get your point, which it's the hit. You could play on the radio and it would be you know what I'm saying and be just that kind of tune.

But I'm saying, there's no guitar solo on that song. There there isn't. You're right, and it's it's an odd song structurally, is an odd song, which is cool? Uh? What love on the weekend? It's not Yeah, it's three chords. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about verse chorus change. I mean, it's not you don't put it on the radio and it just makes sense. I think it feels like something like you can hear like like you ought to next you know, you want to do this on

your show, on your show next time. His brother's Osborne and get and get t J to sing like this is the chance that this is the radio. Dude, I do a great cover of this song. You never played it on that. I mean, this is like the realest song on the record. Say, but the really the real is in the blood. It's like does it wash away in the water or in the blood? Um. I'm a big fan of moving on and getting over because that dude, you gott understand that. That's a big part of me

right now too. It's like moving on getting over things. John Mayra was the first artist ever speak to me really like actually felt my life and his words. Ever in my whole life, I always love music, different music, everybody from my grandma to the radio, nineties, alternative to hip hop everything. The first artist ever spoke to me was John Mayr. It was because he was around the same age, old but around the same age, was kind

of going through the same time. That was like he's saying things, did I yeah that you've yeah, Like even dating back to the inside once something that my stupid mouth that was on there, like you know anytimes, my stupid mount's got me in trouble a lot. And you know, there's a lot about your right, there's a lot about his music. That's and that's why I specifically, I mean, dude,

I had a day two days off. You think I want to travel on my name's and it's only two days I wait off too, and I took I took my girlfriend. I just said, I have a girlfriend. I took her to Chicago to go see that show. And it was awesome. It was amazing. And the last song when he comes out and it's all white, the screens white everything, and then he walks through the door and leaves and it's over and it says the end, and then I tried to run. It's no, it's crazy again. Crazy.

I feel like it's I mean, I feel like he could maybe Like his wardrobe was a little weird, like he had like an oversized looked like he got like a black shirt. It looked like he got is like sport cod from like the thrift store. Like I didn't even fit him, you know what I mean. But again, he's weird, But then again like if I could play guitar like that, dude, I just that's why you like Lindsay, isn't She plays all those John Mayra songs for you and she's a great That's not why I like her.

But here's the other thing why she wanted to know because we went back to see him before the show and she was like in her favorite artists John Ayre to like Keith Urban, John A, Brad Paisley, or like the three biggest influences on her. Altho, I've been trying to get her to say dime bag Darrel in an interview, just to say it, because I think it'd be so

funny bart Pantera reference out there. I feel like, I'll give you a hundred dollars just when someone interviewed you be like because they they always asked her and they're like, who are you influences? He's like Keith Urban, John mayor Brad Paisley. I said, please just say dime bag Darrel wants because he was hardcore he got shot on stage, remember to being killed, But he was like, no, even

if they did, please say dime bag Darrel. So if you ever hear that, know that I put her out to it, but she wanted to know the pedal he used on Rosie on. She didn't want to ask him. She didn't want to be a nerd. And I was like, I ask him. Care so back and we're talking whatever. I'm like, hey, that's why that. I was like, lindsay what eltone asked you about a pedal or a tone? You would want to talk for thirty minutes about it? And I was like, hey, so on Rosie, what pedal

was that he started talking about it? He could have been talking Mandarin to me. I had no idea who's saying. But he was like right, he was really into it, and he was like envelopes a sound and he's talking to him and I'm just glad he didn't ask a question to me about what because I had no idea what he was saying. And she's back there just listening, thinking everything like that gets the pedal because she's like typing into her phone and so with whatever, and he's

about to go on and we leave and whatever. She's like, oh, I like, if you find somebody, I don't care who they are. It can be frankin Bono or it can be the guy that's right down the corner. If you find something they're into and you ask him about it, they love to talk about it. And he loved and she watched him to nerd out over the solo and Rosie, and I was like, if someone asks you about a solo, don't you love to talk about it because you sit here?

And she's music theory Berkeley like she was genius kid like prodigy works just all she has sitting there and place solos for three hours at a time. And I'll be at the house and She'll just be sitting down there on the couch playing solos. And dude, I don't even know if she's doing I'm handling around, Like what if somebody asked you about this when you love it? Ye? Like he's a human. Yeah, we're all humans searching for everything. I've seen him. He's You talk about us being weird,

He's a weird dude too. But you have to be weird to be special. That's what special is. All right. Um, this has been a it's been it's been up. We worked through a lot of stuff. Like I told you, I've never been to a therapist before, but I think I have. Next time brings juice. I think that's what we learned, right, Mike. I wouldn't be fair to tell you too that, probably because I've been drinking a lot of water lately. I'm trying back on my real hard

health kick. Like I've had to pee for probably thirty minutes. But I didn't want to say that. You could have walked off and like with live stuff going on, and this is this, it is what it is. We're humans. Yeah, you're right. You got to get back to that, like you told me, I'm human. That's right, all right, thanks man? So wait, do you have a good time? Had a great time? I gotta wait. I got too many things

going here on. I still don't know how to use all the equipment yet, Like we built this thing with our own money, by the way, we don't really know how to use it all. All right, that's it episode what yot? Thank you, Mike, duh. And you can download Good Company from Jay Going or if you listen to this and like a year from now, whatever song you gotta right now, it's my favorite song. It is, so I like that, right, Yeah, it's great And and I'm I'm plugging myself right now, but I am playing a

sind Amphitheater next Thursday night. It's a big deal for me. It's a Nashville show. You nobody cares in Nashville, and it's like everybody's coming to judge and and and I want to see what you got. And I'm really proud. I'm very very proud of what I've put together over the years. And I honestly cannot wait to play for Nashville. So if you want to come out, come on out and see his play, that would be Thursday. It'll be the most special because Thursday, April, there you go, April

twenty seven, Jake going to Nashville. I know it's a big show. Um then Nashville, things weren't Like I'm doing stand up in Nashville, and it's like everybody industry wants to come so they can. I don't know if you're good, that's why they're coming. They want to, Like I want to see if he's good at what I heard he does comedy. I like comedy. I just want to go and see he's good at it. And that's the thing, like people are like I like songs, I like Jake.

I like going and drinking free booze, Like I want to go see if he's really good at what he does, and yeah, I am, I'm a ball or dude. Here we go, see you guys. All right, that's I'll see you next guys. That's cool, man,