#52 - Luke Laird

any notes here, so I twenty one number one. It's close, just because I had one last week. Okay, what was last week? Luke Bryan, Oh Flask? Yeah, I haven't heard that yet. Oh you don't hear Flask. I'll play it for you a little bit because I was gonna so. And that was Luke's six number one from that record, which is a whole two guy right now, it's a wholeful can you hear him? Yeah? Still, Luke, Hey, there you go. We had we had an actually met until the A C M. S. Yeah, the first time that. Uh,

I guess we physically had run into each other. Uh So, congrats on that's that new number one, thank you does it by Okay, here's a question for you. These things move so fast, now fast, it moves so fast, especially Luke, Bryan, Luke or Blake, Yeah, the the the A Listers. Again, is that frustrating for you as a writer, because again, you're not making as much if it flies up the chart so fast. Well, no, it's not frustrating because with a guy like that, And first of all, there are

no guarantees. But if Luke Bryant at this point in time puts a song out, it's you're pretty much guaranteed it's gonna be a hit. With other new artists, you don't know. I mean, it can be a longer ride and a better, better payout possibly, but with a superstar it's you're never I'm not frustrated with that. That's just part of the game where if Luke cuts it, you know what's going to be about a thirteen week or maybe Yeah, right now, that's true, Like Luke does that,

Blake does that. They're about four or five people who really like they're going to be hits and they're gonna fly up the chart and then here comes the other one. That's the only reason Luken puts six songs out on a record because they move so fast, but they didn't if it was ten years ago. Yeah, I mean you gotta get onto the next record because it just you know, the label can't sit on a on an album for

that long. They need new product. But yeah, with Luke, I mean, he doesn't have time to get in there and he can't record fast enough. Are you the hardest person to book a right with? In town? No? You say that fast? You don't think you are. Who who's harder to book with you? Um than you? Probably Ashley Gory And I mean there's probably a lot of other ones. But someone like Ashley. I mean that guy now, I will say he writes more than I do. He'll he'll write two or three times a day. Still, I mean

it's someone like that. It blows my mind. Um, I can't do it. I just don't have I'm just not that good. I can't do that at one time of day is like perfect for me. And honestly, ideally I would write three, four at the most times a week. And how many of those songs if you write four songs in a way, how many those songs ever actually see the light of day? I mean, if one of them did, that would be amazing. But it's not even that.

Is it like a race horse that has one the Kentucky Derby, and like he's a help on other horses, right, And it's like one of the horses is probably going to be a nice horse. It's probably genetically it's probably going to be a very fast horse, but all of them aren't. But you're gonna get some real powerful horses if you if you would you say that, you're like basically the what was that movie with Toby Keith McGuire,

I used the Sea Biscuit of songwriters. I mean, Rodney Clawson is probably more of a stud horse than I am, but Toby Keith, yeah, the Toby McGuire, Yeah, so Rodney class is more of the I mean, here's the thing, like you know, and and where I'm at too. I'm fortunate because I do get to write with the other writers that are having the current hits on the chart. So it's kind of like this perfect timing where you're writing with everybody that has stuff going on, so you're

constantly raising the bar. Now I try to write with new people too, because at some point you just write yourself, right, out of the game. But if you don't get new fresh ideas. But my odds are a lot better right now than they were ten years ago. So uh, I mean, I have I have all of your your number one's here, and you know, we get spend an hour going over each song. I guess let's start with the very beginning, and we'll start with your first ever number one. Talk

about that one? Which one? Was? It? So small? Carry Underwood? Carry Underwood? And um it was. I mean, here's the thing. She had just come off an album that was like Sol ended up selling like seven million records. I had zero hits. So for me to get the opportunity to work with her before that second record, when everybody in town was trying to write with her, how does that happen then? If you have zero hits and carries Carry? Well,

A couple of things happened with that. First of all, I was I'm friends with Hillary Lindsay and we wrote songs together and carries like you know, Hillary is like the go to writer for Carrie Underwood, So I had already been writing with Hillary. And then there was also a publisher in town who I worked with named Chris Oglesby, and He was at the time really helping introduce Carry to the songwriting community, so I had him on my

team as well as someone like Hillary. And then she had heard a couple of other songs that I had written that she liked enough to give me a shot to write. When you go on with someone like Carry for the first time and you're green, you're you're green as far as hits and zero hits? Are you super overly prepared and are you a little nervous walking into the room that she's gonna think what did I get

myself into? Absolutely? And I still go that way, but yeah, we definitely, Hillary and I got together the night before and try to come up with as many ideas to throw to her as possible. And the thing is, Carrie can write too, But you don't want to go in there and say, hey, I wonder what's gonna happen today. You want to have stuff like here's the title, here's a like this song is going down the road. Um, but yes, it's nerve racking and for sure really nerve

wracking then. And it's still that way when you get with like a big artist, because you don't it's always I think that those insecurities that we all have. You're like, I don't want them to think I suck and I don't. I just want to come up with something. Walking into a room with blank was the most intimidating you'd ever felt. Oh man, Brett Michaels, No, Um, have you written more? Brett the nicest guy, so nice and like full of energy and like you just want he wants to hug you,

and you they're like, okay, I'll hog you back. I mean that was That's the funniest thing. I literally went on Twitter kind of as a joke but kind of not because like my kid's self was like a huge poison fan and um, I literally like at Brett Michaels, you know, would you ever? You know, if anybody knows Brett Michaels, you know, I'd love to write a song with him. And I swear the next day I get a call from Brett Michaels on my He's like, hey man, he got my number from like a like a newspaper

writer or something. I can't remember who may have been. I don't even remember. Such a nice guy, so nice, positive makes you feel like remember Brett too, And I was like, oh boy, like am I because for me, I'm a guy that doesn't like to me people that they really because humans are human and the bad thing about humans being human is we're all faulted in a flaw and we put our heroes in this place where they don't have faults and flaws. Definitely, Brett was awesome.

He really lived up to the hype and he's just to speaking of you know, a lot of energy. I'm just like crazy. But who um, yeah, okay, so we'll take right off the alf Who else did you want? Somebody called you said hey, we want you to go right with and you're like, oh, okay, Snoop Dogg? What you wrote with? Snoop? I did just me and him. I did a panel with him out during like Grammy Week out at the at the Roxy and Hollywood, and it was like a B and I panel where so

they had different writers from difference. This would have been three years ago. Yeah, and um, so we're there. It's like a noontime thing and it's all like aspiring songwriters and producers and then it's like me from that, I'm like the country guy and uh bust of rhymes. Snoop Dogg, b O B and David Hodges, and um, I mean, I'm like big hip hop fans, so like this is I can't believe it. Snoop is gonna be there. So my wife Beth, who is my manager and publisher and

basically runs everything. After the show, she goes, hey, I think I think I got you a day to work with Snoop. I was like, no way, So I go back. I go backstage after the show and um, she's in this dressing room with I swear like a like just this huge on this dressing room table, huge amount of weed. And it's just funny seeing my wife in that setting just talking to these guys and like just like doing this,

like getting the smoke out of her face. And she told me after I was like, no, it's not gonna happen. He'll cancel. Why would he want to work with me? He doesn't, you know. But it happened. I went out to l A for it was supposed to be two days. They canceled one day and so I worked with him

for about three hours and we did a song. It's never been released, but you got the memory, yeah, and I have it, like I can listen to it and you have one of my buddies did a story on Snoop once and he doesn't smoke a lot of weed, but he smoked Snoops weed. Yeah, he doesn't remember like he did. He remember waking up in his car and he was like, well, I don't know what happened like that because I'm I'm also a huge hip hop fan. Yeah, and so I was like, do you tell me everything?

So and he was like, Snoop offered me some weed and that's about all I remember. Man. Yeah, I was. I think I probably got like a contact time, but I've I've been sober for over ten years. So I was like, even Snoop wasn't worth messing it up. But I did have an amazing experience and we were. But I was really going back to what you're saying, I was really nervous going into that because I'm like, what's he gonna think? You know? But he was. He couldn't

have been nicer. He was actually a lot of times the artist you're like, when are they going to show up? He was there before I was. He was so professional, like you get to see him do what he excels at. And he literally got out the yellow legal pad and I had written this chorus and I played that for him, and then just I had a track and so he wrote the verses. We didn't really collaborate. That's kind of

how in hip hop alot it works. It's not like you sit there like, well's let's talk about It's like no, it's more freestyle. And but I see him just writing on these sheets of legal and I was like, I was somebody who's video and this didn't He didn't keep paper. He wrote on it that have been whenever a picture of it you're taking made that a different road here because you talk now it was busted fat by then he was he was w WF. I mean he was he was this okay, so he was muscular. Now he's

just really fat. He looks bad. It's not good. Yeah, And Busta was I mean Buster, I was the first guy that I remember my childhood that went super fast, super fast. Yeah, like you had like super Sonic and stuff that, you know, But Buster for me, you know, whenever it was put your hands, you know, I was. I never anything like Bustle from my life. And I was like, I don't even know what he's saying about, like it, yeah, exactly. It sounded cool and and Buz even though he's fat, I I want to bet award

life and he's still I guess body ties on fact rhyme. No, it didn't change his lips. And b O b is like the craziest multi instrumentalist. Yeah, he's super talented, super centric. Oh yeah he's he's not. But you know, to be creative, you gotta be nuts. Yeah, and he's nuts, but he's so musically gift and I you know what, I I did hip hop and pop radio for a long time, so I had to meet a lot of these guys, and a lot of the studio session would go like this,

let's go in the studio, we'll get high. We'll just play a play a beat, you know, we'll throw some some bars over it. Like we like that one, Let's do another one. But Bob was like guitars tracks. Like it was like for a hip hop guy, that's that's different. When they see you pick up a guitar, they're like, wow, what is this? But like, yeah, he is like that.

I try to go to Atlanta like at least once or twice a year, and I've have gone down there to work with Bob and with Future and none of these songs have come to fruit shi as far as coming up. But for me, like I don't even care

because I'm just like a kid at that point. It's like there's no expectation of like, oh I have to come up with their next single or and it's just so much fun if like my goal is to like, right, you know, get a song on the hip hop charts at some point that Future stuff that that's that's cool because Future is like the I mean, Snoop Bust even b O b is a half a generation back at this point. Um you know Airplanes and Magic that that whole record, you know, um Bob. But this is you know,

yeah that that's been a bit. But like Future right now I is doing it. He is, and it's he's one of those guys too. Like some of the stuff I hear him like like am I just out of the Like then I start feeling old and like is this good? But then I'll hear something like why do I want to listen to that? Again? It seems so dumb at first, and then you're like why do how do they feel about you? Though? Because here you come

in You're like me, we're just pasty goofy guys. You know, I think there's something almost that there's just something and it's almost disarming about it. It's not like I'm coming in trying to be them and you're not competing, right, I'm not in the grind every day like with all the other producers there. So it's it's I think it's just like a kind of like it is for me. It's a different experience for them, and they're just intrigued by the Oh, he plays a guitar, he knows Luke

Brian or whatever. You know what I mean, Do they really know that anything about country? Because not much. I mean some of them might, but I it's funny. It'll be You'll talk to a couple of guys in that world they're like, yeah, man, I know Rascal Flats and

which cool you know. But it's it's just so interesting because like something like you say, someone current, you know, they might be like and they're in their own bubble much as we are, Like we're a big old bubble that sometimes we don't that we can't even see outside of Autely and luckily for me, I get to tour and meet a lot of that keeps me somewhat like normal ish, because I'm not normal in any way whatsoever. But I get to go with me a lot of people that listen to music, and I get to see

what they like. And um My, the b O B thing and I hear Bob is great because I write and have written a bunch of like comedy stuff and songs with Christian Bush. And they share a studio space in Atlanta because Christian lives in Atlanta. Oh, I wonder if it's I've been to that one. Yeah, they're like right down the hall from each other. That's cool. And so look, we could just spend probabing hour, like, uh, let me talk about one hundred flowers for a second.

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kinds of flowers as well. All right, so how about this, let's let's do some carry stuff. So last name you wrote this one? Would you write this way? Carrie and Hillary, we actually wrote that the day after we wrote So Small, which, so you do two songs? Did you? Were those the only two songs that you wrote in those two days? No, we ended up writing I think we wrote one other songs that didn't end up making it onto the record. When you okay, let's let you finish those three songs,

are you like we can? I felt pretty good about these three or this one or these two? Like did you know kind of well that's well. The thing is I hadn't had any hits. I knew that like last name sounded more hit ish, but I knew I really liked So Small, Like I felt something we played it.

When you're sitting in the room with just the guitars and the two of them are singing it together, it's like, you know, this is amazing When Hillary Linday can sing with Carrie, Oh yeah, Like that's the crazy thing about her is that she can sing with like I mean, with that level. No, it's it's amazing, And I just felt lucky to be in that room, to be honest. So you cut those two? I got you recorded? Are

you write those two? Um? When do you get back that, Hey, we're actually gonna put these on a record, because that's first before single, Like, let's say we're actually gonna cut these songs, um, I mean it was it wasn't too long, um, because I remember we wrote this in like February, and the first single came out, I want to say, in June or July, which is still a little bit of time.

So what was the first thing? One of you? It was so small, man, when you get that call that it's the first thing on the record and it was my first single, and I remember, I mean I was literally right down the street here at this condo I told you, um that I lived in, and I just remember exactly where it was when I got the call, and it's like this surreal moment. It's like wow. As a kid, you dream of writing songs and like want something on the radio, and this song is going to

be on the radio. And it's Carrie Underwood, who just came off the biggest album of the year or whatever, and this is starting her next Your first single was Carrie's first single from that record. Ever, Yeah, when you get your very first check, because they started, they drip in and they hit. When you get that first writing check for a number one song, it's not that big, right, The first one the very first, very firstly takes it takes a long time to get paid out. Yeah, I

don't know the exact but it's an apex a year. Yeah, there's probably like, yeah, probably a year, and then there's a couple of big quarters and then it starts dwindling off. But I'm always intrigued by people when they say songs either fell out of them in like thirty minutes or took days and days. For example, Shane McK and I was talking about how they did body like a background it took weeks. Yeah, well, you know, and I think

a lot of that that's Sam's process. He you know, it's it's not wrong, it's just a different I mean obviously that that song is massive, but it might not sound like something that they spent days and days on. But yeah, every song is different. So what song was like backbreaking for you to ended up being this hit?

You're like, I can't believe we get we finished it because it was just like, what in the world, Well, you know, a song and I haven't had one that I've spent days and days writing, but it's taken a long time to get to like and this is after this big build up here and be like, what, that's like the dumbest song that her but hill Billy Boone.

Literally Craig, Yeah, Craig Wiseman and I got together and we were grinding on this other idea all day, like just and this is like a real testament to Craig Wiseman's work ethic because I tried to leave that right like three or four times, and finally, at like five o'clock five pm, he goes, man, let's just just try something else. Just let's just do something else, and he's like, just do one of your crazy beatbox things. I was like, and we started with that riff and he's literally just

being dumb, like yo bab that bob blah boma. We just got a reaction and it's like you gotta pay attention to that in the room, and we just started laughing like what could this be? And so it turned out like I was rapping on the verses and then he sang the chorus and so they ended up pitching that to Blake and he heard it and he loved it. But he's like, you guys, gotta put a melody on the on the verses. So we went back in not like it's this amazing melodic song, but we put a

melody to it. But that song, literally it wasn't one of those we had this title like I want to write a song called He'll Billy Bone. Like No, it was just being in a room all day and corner and yourself on a certain idea not happening, and then just not overthinking anything and writing something fun. And um, That's happened other times too, But that's like the main example I can think of by your hip hop influence. And I say that for a couple of reasons, and just as to see you can kind of know a

little bit of my backstory. At one point in my life, I signed a hip hop record deal really so it didn't last long, but but you did, but I did, And you know, as you started talking, I'm just like, man, okay, how in the world did that happen? Like, because for me, I literally grew up in a black town and so all my friends listen hip hop, that's what I had. And then I went grunge in the nineties while all in Garth, and but that's where my hip hop influence

comes from. Like what about you? For me, I mean I grew up in a small very small town in Pennsylvania, and it was a white town. But I mean, I think, like a lot of other people my age, I just and still I listened to everything, you know, country. I really connected with country music, I think because I could

literally could relate to the lyrics. But the music I loved and go to school dances and that it's not it was hip hop, and like all my friends, it was like it was like listening to nineties country and nineties hip hop, and it's that is through all of my music. Like I just love both of them. Lyrically, obviously, I relate to country music, so it's it's easy for me to write that in the sense that it's authentic.

But musically, I mean, my first tape I ever had was this is a hip Hop but it was Michael Jackson Thriller, and from there it just I just like popular music. And it's refreshing to hear someone actually say that. I think everybody feels it, but people are scared to say it. It's true, and I mean, I have so much respect for that. I know. I mean, I'm not saying I'm you know as much as some people, but I know the history of country music and I and I love it, and I but this is who I

am and this is how I grew up. So it's pretty authentic, you know, the way I write. And I love very traditional country music and I love a lot of current stuff. And I think that's why I actually have a job. Uh best rapper alive right now? Oh man, I mean probably it's probably Eminem. I was gonna say the same thing, and you know what, we're two white guys saying a white guy. But here's what I did. I said that on the radio one morning. I'm like

on my country morning show. We're talking to hip hop, and I said, I think I'm a guy's rapper alive, and I know I'm white guy, and you're gonna go, you're a white gupic and a white guy. So I called Charlemagne, the guy who has the hip option best friends in the world, and so I called him and he they were on the air um in New York do the Breakfast Club and I was like, hey, dude, I'm saying Eminem's best rapper and we'll put them on

the like straight up. I was like, you can tell him an idiot, and I'm just a white guy saying a white guy and he says, oh, there's absolutely argument eminem'ing rapper alive. You know, they're about three or four people that you could say it's the great rapper alive, but Eminem's When Emine comes on a track, it's not your track anymore. No, it doesn't. And you're literally captivated.

How many other like a lot of guys have great flow and it sounds cool, but he literally says something with those lyrics, and you're you're just like drawn into the story. A lot of times I'm like, Okay, I need to listen to it Naughty by Nature after this or something because it's just so heavy. But it's amazing. It takes about three listens at times to really hear

an Eminem song too. Well. He did that. He did a song with Big Sean, I'm Big Sean's last record, No Favorite, and it was and and the problem that the trouble that I got into was there's a political message behind it. And I wasn't trying to political message because it was like a Coulter and so and Trump.

But I was just like guys and Big Sean as as legit as they get right now, and so what I need from no fabs and it comes to this track, it's not Big Sean's track anymore, and he's like, you know, he's telling the engineer Keith Luke, and I'm I'm not done after sixteen days or whatever. It was. The same happened with Loway and when it was when and and and somebody else was on a track and later yea, fuck you looking that hater. I saw him eyes like

a nass raper and the style changes. Why to copy my swag like a cheating classmate, I'll be the last phase you see when you pass, when you get your fucking nass created like a mass paper. So ahead of my time, Laten and I'm early my ages reversting. I'm basically thirty, amazingly stirty, Zaney and Birdie, brainy and nerdy, blatantly dirty, insanely perverted, raping and scurvey. They blame me for murdering Jamie. Lee. Curtis said, I put a face in the furnace, beating with a space, then a piece

of furniture, a bo thermis may be disturbing. What I'm saying is prince worthy, but I'm urinating on Bergie. Sad Number eighty one Shirley I'm turning into the air, and her name is the rapt state of emergency, the planets having panic attacks. Prady's returning. Matter of fact, I'm maybe deserving up a pat on the back like a Patriot Jersey wall inexplicable stomach crowd from the pit of it,

like fucking Terry. You're hidding despicable, dumb, damn ridiculous tongue is fast, shoot up at the fucking mouth like a missile of thundercloud under pound. Just to pull the trigger this gunner sound and you'll get a bad the digital underground. He's not even into it yet. He's got to really

gets stretching right now. He's just stretched up a damn polk cutter, a sandal, a cando, butter, a candle, rubber piano, a flanno that sucker, some hands butter, a panto, a manhole cover, hand over the mouth and no smother tramper ran over the tramp with the land road, but the band the lambo hummer and rod dunna go hand don't nut n go ramboat cutter make an example cover that's Santra plano and to Lando Hanna put on the land no wonder I am so stufforn the Manti had no

government and don't the command, don't command, don't want it. Trump's a bitch. I'm making hop pando under its deldre. I'm meeting him in l a white bronco like outway speeding. I'm about to run over a chick del ray c D. And there's just so much nuance in there too that you I know, I'm like what broncat shell a helium, leaving him pale face, medium size, well straight, treating him like a self meet c D. I'm climbing Hell's gate, bitch.

I'm like your problems self meat meaning someone else's self baiting needed because I'm make and make you hear that you go. That's and that's not even the same eminem from three years ago, much less, he continues to get better. That's wild, and as a rapper in a young man's game, he continues to still be better than Yeah, how how are you still like the freshest thing you know that's

not supposed to be how it works? Yeah, I posted and I'm saying by this song like guy crushed because there's a line about Trump, and I was like, I don't even care about that, Like No, you weren't like, like, get off my nuts, man, That's what I'm just all I was doing was saying that nothing, there's nothing like this. Yeah, like he's in his forties and I mean he can sit down with the future and teach him a lesson. Still. Oh yeah, so it's amazing we're doing talking about country

music here. That's what. Yeah, that's what I get on the radioto like I get in trouble from my station programing rectors because I'll just go off talking about whatever and They're like, well, you don't like you talking about other kinds of music. But is that is that because of the way everything still has to be because I would think, listen, it feels like listeners now are But that's why I do it, because we're humans, and my listeners are humans, and no humans have just a bunch

of country music. Gonna listen. That's it. And And what's the like typical country demographic now, because I mean, I'm gonna be forty next year and I grew up listening to everything, so it's something you know, and it's the demographic let's say forty and under. Even older than that. We had Napster, we had everything that allowed all these influences of the people that are making music now to

be influenced. And so that's why you're hearing music on all the different directions because for the first time music was able to spread like that, instead of it being regional or having to be chipped in a box or your parents only giving it to you, you could just down. I would go to bed in the door. I'll be in the door and I would go, what letter do I like L? Let me download every song that starts with L while I go to sleep on Napster for free. And you know, that's how it was, and that was

the wild wild West. Now it's just a wild West as we figure out how songwriters get paid, you know, with Spotify and title and iTunes. Yeah, it's it's changed so much. I used to get so excited for Tuesdays to go out and music. That's what us that that was crazy. Tuesday used to be the day said of Friday. But even now you can't. It's like now it's like Friday morning. Pick the phone up, you know what I mean? Like, what's new that I can just go? Do you have

a problem to like what is your thoughts on? Full out? Like twelve song albums now. I mean, I think there's a place for it, but I but the reality is that with just listening habits and I don't know, I mean, it's I think it's rapidly going away because people want new and even I do, like I want to hear I like hearing it together, but I also am ready for like what's the next thing, because part of that

is just that whole instant gratification. But but now just because it's so easy to do that, because in the past there was a reason for the twelve album or or the one album whatever a year cycle. But now it doesn't cost any extra to put a song up online, you know, And so I just think that I think it depends on the artists. But as far as young new artists, there's not a whole lot of reason to just try to make one album a year or two every two years. Like I like to have you put

out twelve songs. Some of them just get missed because we're like, oh, yeah, you know, I don't like that one right immediately, right the second I'm gonna go to the next one, like like I mean, if it's a fourlum, I like ten songs that's what I like. Four like John Mayre doing four songs at the time and making me wait for another month so I can love those four and then we love four more. That's true. And it's all changing. It's I mean, it's changing from the

last five years. It's dramatically change. My gosh. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. How about Let's man, you have so many songs here some of them. Let's see what would I like to hear about? Uh, this one here because Shane mcinally was in talking about this one right rather Shane, So that's done that again? Is that really that? You let me hear that? Let me see that blue Jane Bay in the USA. Yeah, yeah, that's off the demo. So okay, tell me your story of this song, because

it's always interesting to hear my story. Okay, I mean how I remember. Yeah, it's always because all the stories

are true, but it comes from so many different directions. Um. So from my recollection of this was Rodney Clausen and Shane McNally and I got together over at my little office studio, and um, I think we were working on something else, but I picked up this bass guitar I have that's actually my friend Barry Dean, who's another great writer in town here, and I just started playing the boom boom boom boom, but I didn't sing that in tune, but you know, basically kind of the riff, and we

kind of wrote that to bait at the base, so I was I'm playing that, and then Shane and rod and he started doing it, so that was kind of our groove, and we're like, this feels good. We wrote from what I remember, the verse, we didn't have a title, wrote the verse and got all the way up to the the final line of the what rhymes with the give me a kiss ryland Stone American what is this?

And finally I think, I don't know if Shane or Rodney said, I don't think it was me said American Kids, and we're like, it's like you're so into it, like is that good? And then it's like yeah. And then the post, I think is what kind of takes it over the edge, you know, went up and it's just this chant. And from the time we wrote that, I felt really strongly about that song like this, I feel like this is one of the best songs I've written a long time, and we just couldn't get anybody to

get on it. Um. I know it was on hold for like McGraw, so we a little Big Town was the story that Shane was saying. And he was on an airplane. Yes, oh yes, this is right. Yes of Shane was you know, of course the circles he runs and he's on an airplane with Kenny Chesney. He's like, hey, I played this. I put the headphones on Kenny and played this and he's like, I'm cutting that. And then it was on hold for Little Big Time. I mean, there's so many different people who are pitching these songs.

You're just hoping somebody likes it. I'm like, hey, who you know who wants it? Because I really believed in it, um And I think at the time, from what I my understanding was that a Little Big Town was into it, but somebody in the camp wasn't really like it wasn't like a full on. Whether it was a couple guys in the band who weren't into it, or producer or label, but it didn't sounds like a for sure thing. They're like, we like it, you know, but but Kenny's like, I

want to cut that. So as a writer, you get in these situations, and you know, there's a lot of relationships that you have to take care of that's I try to stay out of. I'm not as good about pitching my songs to artists because I worry about getting in these situations even though I should just like email the song and I've tried to do a little more, but that was that was a little bit awkward, but

you know, it obviously worked out. And I think that Kenny really like when he says he wants a song and believes in it, Like I really do appreciate that he just goes and does it. And it's like, I'm going if he says I'm going to cut this, he will to be fair. Talking about Shane Circle, Shannon I did fly on Southwest together to Boston. That was the first time he flew coach in a long time. That was, well,

that's the Bobby Circle. I've never flown on a private jet that I'm like, I gotta meet some I gotta meet some people with twenty plus number one. Eric Church called me once. He's like, hey, man, you ever fly on private jet? I was like, no, he goes you want to? I was like, yeah, he goes, Well, tonight we're going something, but I literally couldn't. It was like something like my mom was coming into I can't remember what it was. I was like, and so I called Eric.

When he got back, I was like, Hey, how was that? He goes, Uh, I'm gonna change man with Eric. I mean you brought some monsters like Talladega. Yeah that's a career song for someone talking about this one. Yeah, this is you know. Eric is one of those artists too. I mean he isn't. If he wasn't being out there being a superstar, he would be like me and be on music row writing songs for other people. Because he's he's first and foremost a songwriter. He thinks like a songwriter.

He he obsesses over songs ideas. Um, we were on a bus in Albany, New York, and um he I can't remember. I think it was Daytona. One of the races was on the TV and Front Lounge and it was on mute and he was like, man, I kind of want to write. He's friends with Marty Smith, who does He's on ESPN and does all the commentary for NASCAR as well as a bunch of other stuff. Now, but um, he's like I want to write something like about He's like, not a Nascar song, but just that feeling,

that camaraderie that those fans have. And I didn't grow up watching Nascar really, um, but I related to it in the sense that like country music concerts. So we used to go to this place in West Virginia called Jambree in the Hills and it's happens they still they call it the super Bowl of country music and it is. Man, it is a it's have some good people watching, but it's just country music fans and we would do that. It was kind of like a tradition with my buddies.

So I was kind of being inspired drawing from that. But he's like, I want to write this song, um, And so I think we kind of were singing day too, like some different things, and then he's like, damn day and I was just like, man, and it had and it had the emotion. It wasn't like this cheesy I

don't know, but we wrote that. I felt really good about that song and we wrote We wrote it probably two years before that album came out, so that was I didn't even know if it would ever see the light of day because so much time had passed, and you've written so many songs, but I guess he always had that one in his back pocket and knowing he wanted to put it out, whether Eric you wrote or for Eric. These are I have a bunch of Eric

Church songs. Are like when you're going to a jam song like this there, you're like, all right, we're going out tempo, We're gonna jam it. That that was feeding off the energy we were. We were in North Dakota. He was playing some armory or something and it was literally negative nine degrees. So I'm out in the crowd and there's it's not even like bleachers, It's like a

one level room. I go out to front of house and I just noticed, and I don't know what the whole you know, keg set up was at this place, but people had red solo cups just walking around and holding them up, and like just in my head, I just hear this like real sing like all I wanna do his boodha, drinking my hand. It just kind of kept running through my head. So I went back to the US and when he got off the bus, I was out there with him and another writer in town,

Michael Heeney, who has written a lot with Eric. I get off the butt or he he comes off stage, he's like literally pulls his ears out and he's like sweating, like pumped up from the show. And I was like, I just got a line and I didn't even know. And I was like, I'll and I just played the three chords. All I wanna do is put a drink in my hand. He's like, I love it. Let's write that. We wrote that whole song right there in the front lounge.

We were writing the verses so fast that his wife Katherine was None of us were keeping track of lyrics, so she's like, typing down, we just hit record on garage band or whatever, and he's she's typing down all the lyrics we have, and it just it was just kind of this repetitive there's a lot of words in that song for being such a simple like because the choruses all changed and we had so many different versions.

Of course, is I still like if I played at the writer's and I have to look at the lyrics. But it was that one I felt really strongly about, just because it was just so up and party and I was like, his fans were week out if they hear this song and U that ended up being his first number one, so that was really exciting. You mentioned it took two years for Talladega, Like, what's so long? It's because sometimes you write a song and I guess it just sits. My song ever surprised you because it

came back to life out of nowhere. You're like, WHOA what in the world? One that surprised me because again, it's not a I wouldn't necessarily consider this a work of art. But Gonna by Blake Shelton. First of all, that's about the most forgettable title I've ever heard in my life. But I get an email and they're like, hey, Blake Shelton put gun on hold this so much time had passed and just how unmemorable that title was. Me. I'm like, I didn't. I don't think that's my song

because I didn't recognize the title. And I was like, so I went back into dropbox. I was like, oh, gosh, I did write this song with Craig and I was like when I heard the chorus, I was like, man, you know, it's funny how songs were because like you might think, oh, this song is whatever, but the second like an artist, it's interested in it, or it gets to be a single stars climb on the chart, like, oh this is pretty that's pretty good. I'll start liking

it a little more. How what was the time like from when you wrote it until they put it on? I mean, it wasn't crazy long, but I bet I bet it was four years, which nowadays that is a long time. I mean, you hear these stories of like a song after ten years or something, but those are so rare because people are so of the moment um and and and even like the demos that we do,

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going to make John a star. You got another one he just hit too, but this was it, man, you know, think about this or John. Here's the thing. I've been a fan of his music for a long time, and I was a big fan of the first record, and I've never had the opportunity to work with him. And I literally seeks him out because I I loved his first album so much. It was like so country, but there's just a thing. It's not just like a throwback thing. He's unique artist. And so I seeked him out and

tried to get a day to write with him. And it was awesome because John is one of those guys he comes in with his guitar and he sits down and starts playing. He's got the swagger and and just starts mumbling. You're like, this is the jam. Like he can say anything. And so the situation with John, a lot of times I let him drive, like musically and I just try to make sense of some lyric and but he had that title head over Boots. I was

like that, dude, that's awesome and that's you. And at the time, he's like, man, I don't know if I can do some of this other music that these guys are, you know, current whatever they call it, broke country or whatever. But I was like, well, you don't have to, like just do yourself, you know, and hopefully it'll connect. Because I was like, if it connects, you've got that lane, and like then people are chasing you, then you've created the new lane. And that's what that California record, that's

what he did. He really did, is that he took traditional, a traditional vocal and put it with slightly progressive, a sonic sonic sound, and it was like everybody traditional was happy, and everybody was like, hey, I love the news sound was and I was like, he's the unifier right now.

It's it's amazing. I mean another thing with John, I remember I was out on the road with Thomas Rhett and John was opening a couple of these club dates for him, and I just remember being in the backstage and just here, like John was out there playing in these grooves coming through the wall, so all you're hearing is like the low end, and I'm like, dang, that's like all his songs feel so good. I'm like I want to be part of That's like my neighbors not

trying to go to bed. I was like, God, why don't you I can't even hear the good parts of the song. I try to get to bed at night, and all next door it's like I live in a house. I don't live in an apartment. That's so annoying, and like you have to move again again, and my other place flooded downtown. It's so I'm not I can't find anywhere to live. Dude, you were you were? You lived out of town right, Well, first I moved to Brentwood.

I lived down there because security reasons, like there was add some issues and guns and people threatening me whatever. I My job was like, this is where you need to live. They moving in this neighborhood and it's and for me, I felt safe because uh La Vox are like four houses down. CARRY lived like eight houses. Now. I was like, nobody's nobody cares about me, but nobody's gonna bother me because these people. They're worried about these people.

I moved from there because I just couldn't driving it. It was it was forty minutes and I was traveling, so I moved downtown and I got the condo. It's very super safe, all these codes, and there were two units on the top. And the neighbor was working on a waterman. He just just bought the place, and the place like the eight hundreds, right, So it's not somewhere you go and start knocking down walls, hit a waterman, busted it, flood of the entire building. Millions and millions

or the dons. I still I still own it. I can't get into it. I can't run it. I can do nothing right now, at least into front of two months, because it's been almost a year. I've just so I had to move again. Dude, I need to write some new hit songs. I can just have like all these places. You've got a good view up here, up here of cranes. I see a lot of cranes outside t s try video. It's every weird. Do you ever think we shouldn't reference

things that aren't country and song? Is that ever a question where you're like, should we or shouldn't we talk about guns and roses? I mean, I never for once questioned that because everybody listens to the country now listen to guns and rosides. I mean, I think I've been to the concerts and I agree with and and I'm on your side of this too, which is at times

been the downfall of my career. But I wonder if you're writing a song to ever pull out and you're like, hey, what if you put a little Wyne reference in here? But you're like, you know what, maybe we shouldn't do that, maybe we'll scale it, but you don't have to worry. I haven't really thought a lot about it, honestly, Yeah, I don't. I mean, maybe Bette Midler might not be what we're going for, but you never know, what do these songs? Can we talk about hill Billy Bone and

it kind of happening? What this song just fell out of you? And you're like, man, that shouldn't have been that easy. Take a Back Road And that's a jam, dude, And it's one of my favorite songs I've made, Take a Back Road. So yeah, Red Akins, who I mean when I was in high school, I mean I literally sang songs of his in the Talent show d Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, And I was like, oh, I'm writing with Red Akins this first day, first time, we ever wrote,

and he said he had that title. I thought it was first like right a dirt road and we're like, I don't know, and so changes to take a back road. It just felt good and we both could write those lyrics all day because we it's like where we both grew up. And even though he's from Georgia and I'm from Pennsylvania, Goddamn, I forgot feld. It looks like do you ever feel the opposite now where someone's coming into a room with you and you can just tell the pet of five a little bit? But I always try

to I always try to make people feel comfortable. Like I'm never like, hey, I know it all, and like because I don't, I'm just like, I hope I get just as nervous a lot of times writing with a new person because I know they probably think, oh, he's written all these hits, he has the secret how to do, and I literally don't. I'm just like, it's the same approach writing songs now, the same way that I did before I ever had hits. So it's you you feel that a little bit, But I'm I'm always trying to

make people feel comfortable. Tell me about an instance where this new artist comes in, you don't know him. Someone's like, hey, you gotta check them out, because, like you said, you try to find, you know, the fresh shirt with the current, and because fresh keeps you fresh. Absolutely, some new artist comes in you're like, okay, i'll let me, and it turns out they their household dame. Now like who is someone that came in? And you were like, I wonder

and it turns out like bam. I mean, the first the first thing the name that comes to mind is Marion Morris Um as far as a new I'm trying to think who else Marion walks in and his first thing mat her. You're like, okay, there's something here. Yeah. I was just like she's super talented. And you know, even before that kind of who's become a big pop and I haven't had any hits with her? Was I

wrote with Megan Trainer and she's in Nashville. I just think, oh, this is she's got the number this week by the Way Country Radio. Oh yeah that's right, Yeah, gosh, that's crazy. But she's so talented and I didn't even when I met her, didn't even know like, oh she's going for the artist thing. I just thought this is a really good writer. We wrote something cool. She's really talented. Next thing I know, they're like, yeah, Magan Trainers in l A and she got it. L A. Reid signed her

like what you just don't see it coming? And then which is cool. It's her second number one counter song too, because I think she she wrote the Rascal Flats on maybe um, I like to sound it one of their newer ones her and Shay wrote together, Yeah, and maybe

Jesse Fraser or something. Yeah, that's right. She's got a couple of pop songs, and I bet these are songs she wrote back when she was like kind of in the Nashville scene, like writing just writing songs like there's something here, like you could tell, well, I could tell she was talented, but I didn't know she was going to be a superstar. You just don't know. But like who else? I mean, I feel like I've written with

a lot of people before they blew up bred Eldredge. Um, it's weird now like I'm at the age where there are starting to I didn't write with Luke Brian before he got big, but we both kind of came to town around the same time. A real quick funny story about that is so Luke, you know, had hits as a couple of hits as a songwriter before he you know, made it as an artist, Like good Directions, Belly one

for him. Yeah, So Luke and I just remember going to this guy's house who was a fairly established songwriter, and I had zero cuts, no hits, no cuts. But this guy was like, I was like, oh, that's cool. He likes he's gonna take a chance on me and write with me. So I get into this co write and we get about halfway through the song and he goes, so when I mean when when his capital talking about putting your record out? And I was like, oh, no, he thinks I'm Luke Brian and he did. He thought,

just like do I look like an artist? I don't know. But I was like and then I felt weird for him. I was like, how do I say, like, not only am I not Luke Bryan, I nobody, I have no hits. I don't. The guy ended up being really nice about it, but I was just like, because we were like kind of the two Luke's INTI this is not the guy. Yeah, I know, I don't, but I just I look I told Luke that story he gotta kick out of it. But with Luke, I got a few here for you. I see you, see you fast. It's it's by the

way you grats again. Is it still listen frankly talking after the tenth or twelve or eighteen, it's still awesome? Oh, it's so awesome. Is it still so awesome? Though? Yeah? I mean where is it pressure field where it's more of a relief that you did it again because you're

expected to. Yeah, it's it's weird because I still feel a pressure, but not like like once you have one number one song, you're a number one songwriter and no but literally nobody knows or cares how many number ones you have, except like maybe you like you know that people don't know, and then people like so and so has so many number ones. But it's like on what chart? You know. It's like like I'm and I'm kind of like you know, and a few years from now, what

charts or what? You know? What I mean, that's just so different. But it's it's weird because there is a pressure, but it's you're just happy to be in the game, like getting a still getting a cut on a new artist or a big artist is still super exciting for me. Like that is part of what keeps me doing it because it is like a challenge and it's like a game. You're like, Oh, I've done this, I want to I want to do it again. Um, what's the deal with you?

Mentally that you go to bed at night? Do you write down Okay, I may want to do this tomorrow or do you do most of the work in the room, Like where does that? Well? I know who I'm gonna be working with that week, so I usually I like to get to my right like two hours before I work with anyone, so I can either work on ideas or if it's an artist, kind of think in my mind, where where would I see him going next? Because what do I have to offer here? Um? I don't honestly

at night, once I leave there, I'm not. Uh, it pretty much leaves me. I pretty much separate it. And then I'm a morning person, so I get inspired in the morning. Who are your everybody's in a ever is getting a little pat group? You know Natalie and becomes in She's in the Brandy camp. You know, um Ross came in and you know Ross and Urban and now working on a lot of stuff together. But Ross would Dart.

You know, everybody's got there. Who are your people? You know? Um, I feel like I've run in a couple of different circles. But my people are like writer wise, are like our people that Creative Nation like, especially like Barry Dean and Natalie Hemby. They're like two of my best friends. And so as far as artists, I mean, I had a pretty good run with Carrie. You know, maybe I'll get to work with her again. We haven't worked in a while. Um, but I don't know. I run like I'll do like

John Party. He and I are kind of I think on a I mean, we've only had the one hit, but like we're gonna We're starting to write some new stuff that I'm excited about. I've kind of been in the Eric thing a little bit. I just kind of move around like whoever wants to. I'd be on everybody's camp if they want to work. Yeah, I mean, And the thing is, I really, I truly am a fan of lots of different kinds of music. I'm not like,

oh I don't I can't stand that now. If there's something that I'm just not really into, I'll be honest and just try to, you know, not do it if I if I, if I just don't genuinely like someone's music or something, I'm not gonna even if they're a huge star, I'm not gonna try to just get in

there because there's so many things I do. Like you mentioned Natalie and now it's awesome, like she's so much fun, and you know, she came and we talked, and she again, you guys share some you share some songs, a lot of other folks that come in, and she told the story about his song. I'd be curious to hear your version of this song. Well, okay, so she and Barry and I wrote this and we're always curious what version

because now it's been a few years. But the way I remember writing this song was Natalie came over and she and Barry and I were just be us and she was telling the story about she and I had written an album cut from Miranda a song called fine Tune, and her publisher or somebody had heard the song through the wall and I was like, Hey, what's that song that I heard like that you wrote pontoon. It's like, no, it's called fine Tune. She's telling Barry and I that story.

So of course we're all like, we got to write a song called pont because it just it just was too good of like, gosh, that sounds like a good country song, and did you expect it to be? Like when you finished it were like, is this too goofy?

Is just the word pontoon is kind of goofy. So that's why I kind of just started with like a really simple almost just a quirky little beat, like just silly almost that m M. And and so Barry and I literally like, Natalie, what would you say, like if you're trying to write a song called Pontoon, Like, what's the first thing? She's like, back this bit up into

the A and we're just died. We're like this is amazing, Like if that's all the songs said literally on the demo, I like put that into a sampler and like for the whole interest, like back but bat bat bat bat backed it bit but but bat backed it just because I thought it was so funny. We wrote that and and again kind of like hill Billy Bone, like we

all reacted to it. It made you feel something. It's like, as writers, that's what you're trying to do, whether it's a sad song or just something fun, like you just wanted you wanted to kind of just catch your ear and like what And I knew that, like, some people would hate that song, but I I felt deep down that if it got at least a chance to get heard, that it could react. You know, I knew and some people would hate it. So we got um a few people, like I think Dirk's had it on hold. It's when

Kicks Brooks made his solo thing. I remember getting the email it's on when I was like, awesome, you know, um, but really like that was like the that song was the perfect storm because a little big town believed in it. Their manager, Jason Owen was just like, I'll bet my career on the song. And I'm thinking, gosh, I don't know if I do. I wrote the song, but with Jay Joyce produced. It was just at that time too, And it still sounds like so cool on the radio.

It's just so unique with their Yeah, but I mean, it's silly how big that song. Whenever you wrote motor Boat and Yeah, were you like Vince Vaughn, Yeah, were you like want the couple meanings to this? Obviously do you know, wedding crashers. Yeah, that's what I mean. We're

thinking about, um, you motor boate something big. But but I mean it was just another one of those parts in the song that we're just like we have to because we remember thinking trying to rhyme that like like in the ocean or like no, you don't take a pontoon of the ocean. Then I don't even remember who

said the motor boat. But we're like, I was just like, you know, in the time, like dude, they say, can you say that on the radio, But it's like, it's actually a boat unless you saw that movie, no one's thinking of you know, there's a funny story you gotta if you have you done this with Lorie McKenna, I have not. I know Laurie well, but she if you do, ask her about when she first heard that song. Mike

make a note. Natalie told us to how when they went out and they were gonna buy they went to buy a boat and the guy was like, and she's like, can you imagine, I mean, only in Nashville, what are the odds? That's funny? So uh, I mean you still right, every every five days a week, four days a week four three to four. I mean I'm I work every day because a lot of times I'm working, like I'll work on demos from songs have already written, or try to start new ideas for who I'm going to work

with the next week. My ideal would be to write like three days a week and then the other two days work on tracks and ideas are finishing up demos, produce a little bit. Do you walk down the street and there'll be someone who's like, Hey, luc Lair, I'm a new songwriter. Can I get this? Can I work with? Has it happen too much? Not a lot, but in Nashville it happens t s. A agent really hit me up, like the same dude two times, like he didn't even

remember me. He came through. He goes, I know who you are, and I was like, he goes, man, I really like your songs. I was like, oh, thanks man, And then like literally two weeks later, it's like he forgot he said that to me, goes, I know who you are. What has anyone ever stopped you said hey, hey, can I write with you? Like just randomly from the street. No, that's usually comes through Twitter and Facebook, which I can't

imagine the stuff you get. You can't because it DM hit me upen the d M. For me, it's never and you know I write super songs and comedy songs and stuff, but it's always play my song. Oh yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And the weird thing for me is I've probably done that to you. The weird thing for me is is I can't a man. A weird thing because I'm I have a record deal, because you know, we have a band. I mean, look, you talk about all these charts. We have a number one comedy album,

like there's so many charts. Yeah, but that's amazing, but I'm not now at number one leg though that's a legit. That's not like the I won't mention whatever, but it's okay, it's it's somewhat legit, like that's a real chart and so but it's since I'm writing music and I write stand up, I can't listen to things because I can't even subconsciously pick and try to pick up things because I don't want to actually write it and they get sued. But then again, I'm supposed to be listening for things.

I'm trying to bring new music all the time. And it's just this weird place and like I go every people handing me CD, I can't touch them. Do you do you have to do that where people like yeah, I'm like no, and it's and it is true. I mean yes, you're kind of like, I don't know that I need to be listening to this, but yeah, it's just you're in a position that where you are having chart success, like it's nerve wracking. Like when I'm writing a song and I start really liking it, I'm like, crap,

am I on another song? Because I have it has happened, like I've been writing like this is awesome, Like oh crap, that's whatever hit by Edge Sharon or something like that. You know, you're always trying to come up with something unique, but it's you do think about that stuff. Is it impossible figuratively to write a new love song? No, yes, it feels that way. And then you hear one You're like, man, they didn't like why didn't I think it? What's this?

What's the song you've heard in the past few years where you like, God, I wish I had written that song because it's so freaking good. Oh my gosh, there's a there's a quite a few. That's the thing when people are like, yeah, music now sucks, I'm like, no way. I listened to nineties country and there are some really

bad songs then too that I actually loved. But but like when I heard Blue Ain't Your Color, I texted Hillary lindsay, I was like, this song, like it just I listened to Keith's record and I was like, man, that thing just jumped up because we didn't think Keith and your Thing. I was like, dude, that it wasn't a single, wasn't his first single. And I was like, Blue ant College my favorite song on the record, the melody, I mean, it's so good, and I felt I really

felt that way with Humble and Kind. I just thought it's just such a unique way to say. I mean, it's just so simple, but just to say humble and kind. You don't think of that as being like a easy, like conversational song. But the thinking about with that song too, because I was so Tim and I were sitting in my office like an hour before was going to do something and he's like, it wasn't this this first single,

Humbling Kind? They weren't gonna lead with that off of I think it was damn cutching music, and he was like, there is this song on this record called Humble and Kind that's just gonna change the whole game for me. And at the time, like he's talking about album cut, Uh, I don't really care, you know what's out? Who knows people talking ABOUTBM cuts all the time? And and but man, was he write about that song? Was so and she sorted by herself. It's amazing. I mean, she really is

one of the best. Um and tim you know, he's he is one of those artists who is such a good song person. If you look at throughout his career, I mean, yes, he may have had a few misses, but just at the right time, he will find a song that everybody's like, dang it, why didn't I get that? And it may have been pitched to a lot of other people, but he he knows, he's he just knows songs.

And you know, you go see his concert and it's like hit after hit that are not just did he's he has those, but he has the just song of the years in there too. It's pretty amazing. The cool thing about mcgral to me is that when I was a kid, he was awesome I'm an adult. He's still the same awesome. It's not like he's a novelty actor. His longevity of being relevant it's really amazing. It really like him and Chesney both. Oh, it's it's both of

those guys. I mean right now me being a music row Nashville songwriter, those two guys are like the first two people you try to get songs to. It's not like, well they aren't really you know, it's it'd be cool to have the cut, but no, those are you want like you're just take your best stuff to them and hope they want it. I just remember turning on my radio and Mountain Pine, Arkansas and listen to Tim mcgrawl.

You know when the first time I Don't Take the Girl, I was like, my mind, my I'm I'm what like this is that they can do this in songs like I've like went to the whole roller coaster of emotion in this song. I was like, wow, you know Indian laws before that then don't Take the Girl And I was like this, Tim McGraw's awesome, but still Timergaw, a song will come on now like this, timmercaw is all it's like the same, like who can last that long.

It's so hard. This business is so hard. So when somebody actually does it, it's gosh, you gotta respect it because I don't know. And he's better in better shape than every new artist too. Yeah, like Tims got that. Whatever I'm gonna do, I'm gonna and so is he's gonna work out. Yeah, So well, look, I appreciate you coming in. Man, It's like it's like the Queen of England.

I was like, yeah, yeah, this little suthing you wrote back in the the Game show era of the seventies, Wink Martindale, You and Wink Martindale, but this together, it's the jam on. It's probably made a lot more money than I appreciate you coming in And uh yeah, you just loot layered on Twitter. You don't tweet that much though, No, I'm I'm more on the Instagram now, but because I look for a tweet and don't tweet that much, I haven't tweeted deal. I was like, hey, dude, and then

I hear I responded to that. Its like eighteen days later, and I was like, he was always on that lukelar delay plan. He does it. I don't even know. I appreciate. I appreciate you. You know what's funny is one because I started this and it's all about for me. I love songwriters and I love talking about how the concept and the craft and what didn't work out, and so you know, we started this thing, you know, months and

months months ago. I think it was you know, Caitlin Smith, and she's a friend of mine, and it went for whatever and I'd be like, hey, so and so came in and they're like, oh, well they came in. Well I want to come in. But because you decided to come in, because one always makes another. And I don't know who it was that they got you to come in, but who who was it that was like, Hey, that that's that's not so terrible. Was there anybody for you that said that? No, he I think Mike just well,

that's very kind of you. But so Karen Fairchild, who I'm friends with, but I wasn't gonna really ask her to because it's like there's this fine line of friendship and it's like, I don't even ask my come on the show. And I could. I could text him, I could text Luke and Dirk all the time and be like hey, but I don't because there's you want to have that free space of just being humans. But at the A c M. Cara's like, I'm Luke's doing your show.

I'm coming to do I'm coming to your house to do the Body and I was like, that's what it took, Like Luke Lair's gonna come. She's like, yeah, it's it must be legit up. Luke's coming and I was like, all right, whatever it takes. Karen, so really good to see it. Thank you for coming. In episode fifty two, Wow, Luke laired and thanks again to Blue Apron one hundred flowers for sponsoring this. And you know by the music, I just buy the music. That's how these guys eat, right,

and eventually you'll figure this thing out. One of my best buzzes like always up at Capitol Hill Lead Miller like fighting for songwriters and we sit and we obviously we're coming from different places, but he's like one of my true, tr true friends, and he's like, let me tell you why I hate you. And I'm like, okay, go ahead, and I'm like, dude, I don't I'm not I don't run radio. I just get the check, you know.

So yeah, yeah, let's feed these guys. So by the music like all right, we're gonna go, We'll see you next time here Episope fifty two of the Bobby Cast and over h