Welcome to Episode Too six five. Here we go, we'll talk about Eddie van Halen with Steve Gorman. Listen, I needed to have a little Eddie van Halen lesson. I mean, I know some van Halen songs. Here are the top five streaming van Halen songs. And this is because Eddie van Halen died this last week, and so Steve Gorman is also on the Black Crows. Here you go. Number five, ain't talking about love all right? Number four Hot for Teacher, you know that one. I know that one too. Number
three Running with the Devil. Number two Panama. You know this one, hey, Emma, get stuck in your head. And then obviously the number one is massive. I think everybody knows this jump, right, everybody knows that one, but van Halen massive. But I just missed them in my life. So this was an interesting interview coming up. The thing about this Too jump was van Halen's one and only number one. As big as massive as they are, it was just harder to get a number one back then.
Just in general, their most famous song jump, which is that number one streamer, took only one day to finish and went to the top of the billboard. Hot one hundred and got him a Grammy nomination. Eddie played the guitar solo on Michael Jackson's Beat It, So if you listen to that song, that's Eddie van Halen shredding on it. Eddie also began on the drums. He couldn't read sheet music, which is pretty crazy. Is to beat it right here. And then he also had serious stage fright, which is
crazy because the guy played arena's massive places. It's always crazy when you hear like the the White Stripes. She apparently had so much stage fright that they couldn't even play at times. It isn't that crazy to think about. So, and also Alex and Eddie were the only two consistent members. David Lee Roth was a singer. Michael Anthony was the announced Sammy Hey Gar Gary Sharone, so that's crazy. And they switched lead singers, which and we're as successful with
a different lead singer, which is nuts. So we'll talk about that with Steve Gorman on the way my New Music Top five this week, Here we go. Travis has a new album coming out. I love Travis the Band, and so I haven't heard it yet. I'm gonna listen to it. Today. But you know, some of this is stuff I haven't been able to spend time with, but stuff that I look forward to as well. But Travis has a new song out. But Travis has a new But Travis has a new record out. You may know
Travis for Why does It Always rain on Me? Is it because I lied when I was seventeen? Do you know that song? You know? I've only heard him because you talk about it, you know, sing sing sings, But I love you bring They haven't had that song in the office, unlike the first season when Jim puts his earphone into Palm's ear and she's like, what are you listening to? And it's Travis sing Anyway, Travis has a new album out today. Um, Mike, you just played one
of their songs for me. Yeah, that's what's called Valentine. Travis Denning has a new song out called good Years that's at number four. Holling All Them good A CDC announced they're releasing a new album called Power Up. It's their first album in six years. They put out a new song called shot in the Dark. Hey, speaking of bands who change lead singers and think about that. But they went from Bond Scott who died in the seventies.
He choked on his own vomit because you know he was a big drinker, if I'm right about this, and then they switched to Brian Johnson, who is the singer. Now there's only been a few of those bands to do that. A C d C did it. I'm not looking at notes here, so um A C d C did it. Obviously, Van Halen did it, and Genesis did it. It was Peter Gabriel and then they went on a search and they ended up hiring their drummer to do it. To move forward, but just Phil Collins, which is insane.
Whole other topic. Cassie Ashton has a new song out called Black Motorcycle. Here's a clip of that and she will be on later to talk about that song. And then Super Pumped Brother's Osborne have a new album out called Skeletons Love These Guys. Here's a new song called Lightning Up. Who'll keep because we'll be more new albums, Blue Oyster, Colt Jackson, Brown, Dire Straits, The Doors, Dang, a lot of old bands right there in a row.
It's like classic rock radio new album Wait, five Finger Death, Punch, Punch, Lincoln Park's Hybrid Theory Anniversary Sad Day. He's got a whole box set coming out. Do you know said slow song? Yeah, it's my bubble bet song. Uh. In the Music News before we get into some interviews, Johnny Nash, who had I Can See Clearly Now, died at eighty years old. Bright Bright, Bright, Sunshine Day. It's a jam. People still
know that song, hey, because of commercials or movies. But I bet that song made him a bunch of money. Machine Gun Kelly just earned his first number one album and it was his rock album. Right. Did you like this like? It's like right up my alley? It's pump punk? Huh? Did he do some stuff with Blake one eighty two for this? Travis Barker produced the whole thing and he played drums on it. Did Little Wayne try to do
a punk thing? Like a rock punk thing too? It was just more just straight up rock, but one very good. It wasn't good. He tried to play guitar, and you can't play a guitar? Can Machine Gun Kelly he played with a guitar on it? No? I mean can he? I know he made basic stuff, but nothing crazy. Coachella might already postponed again for April one to next October.
They just keep kicking the can, which they should. So if you're going to go to Coachella and then Dolly Parton's Playboy cover for seventy birthday, is this happening yet? Not yet? Okay? I knew they were talking about it, I didn't know if they confirmed it. But and also she wouldn't have to be naked on it. They wouldn't want her naked. I don't think she was naked on the original. I don't. I don't know. Maybe so naked stuff.
I have no idea. I don't even look next stuff on the internet because I'm praying computer is gonna get virus because like when Marion did it, she wasn't really naked. Is it just kind of naked, kind of imagination naked where you use your imagination because they're almost naked. I guess so I think you just I don't know. All right, there you that's the releases I'm looking forward to, and the new music that is out there you go. That's the releases I'm looking forward to, and some new music
news from this week. All right, thank you, guys, let's get going. Joining me now is Steve Gorman, who was the drummer and the Black Crows, who now plays with Trigger Hippie. And before we talk about some of the Black Crow stuff in your book, I saw your tweet Steven. It was talking about Eddie van Halen, which is kind of why I have you here. And you say there will be many many words written and spoken about Eddie van Halen over the next few days, weeks, months, and years.
Those millions of words will never come close to expressing what he meant to rock music, what he meant to guitarists, and what he meant to the guitar itself. That's a pretty powerful statement, Mr Gorman. What did Eddie in remind me to rock music? Well, I think it's it's pretty simple. You can say that he and Jimmy Hendrix are the two guys that truly and and only or the two guys that moved the needle, you know, for the guitar itself.
I mean Hendrick came out of a blue space, uh scene and took the playing and the tones he could get to a new place. But that evan Halen really almost came in from another country, another planet, I should say another He's like an alien life for him. I mean he was a virtue of sick player obviously, but he he reinvented what what you could do with the guitar. And the fact of the matter is this like Hendricks,
but even to a greater degree. Anybody that tries to play like Eddie van Halen, it just sounds like a mime, a mimic. They it's like Rich Little doing Johnny Carson. Okay, yeah, that kind of sounds like him. But there's nothing nobody's ever been able to do what Eddie van Halen did and make it feel a certain way, you know what I mean that he's just a and he was that way at twenty two. I mean, this is this is not a guy like It's not like David Blaine's magic
tricks where he gets bigger and better every year. He started with card tricks that other people did first. Ed evan Halen hit the ground running. With van Halen one playing an instrument have been around for centuries, unlike anybody else has ever done. I mean, he was on the mount Rushmore of great guitar players at two years old, and then and then he stuck around for another forty years,
still playing unlike anybody before or since. So I just think that in terms of, you know, sheer unique mindset and ambition combined with just great talent obviously, but but also a phenomenal work ethic. I mean, he's just a complete unicorn in every sense of the word. How would you describe his guitar sound? And I say that I
know what I think of it, but I wasn't. I just missed van Halen like I came around right as you guys were blowing up, honestly, so that for me, the van Halen was slightly classic rock, slightly old rock to me as a nineties kid, so as someone because you're just a few years older than I am. But how would you describe his guitar sound of someone who was in it and living it? In love in van Halen? Well, I can tell this. I was thirteen years old the first time I heard van Halen, and I remember it.
I remember where I was, I remember who I was with. It was going home from school and Hopkinsville, Kentucky. You really got me their Kinks, you know, like their cover of the Kink song came on the radio and and it was playing already, and I said, hey, Mom, turning that up. It was me and my mom and my friend Brook Lawton, the three of us in a car, and she turned it up and I my first thought was that must be like a live version of the Kinks song. And I was thinking, like, they don't. They
don't rock that hard, do they. But when it hit that solo, and then by the time the song ended, I realized, well, that does that's not Ray Davy singing. This is clearly a cover version, But what on earth is this? And it was like making my the hair on the back of my next stand up. This isn't a time when I thought punk rock was the coolest thing in the world. And the truth is Van Halen was more punk than the Punks because they were truly breaking down a bunch of barriers, if you will, or
they were going in their own sort of way. You know, there hadn't been a band like Van Halen since Led Zeppelin in terms of rock. Band hits the ground running at full steam and it obliterates everything in their path in a certain sense. And to me, Van Halen just sound. It sounded like what California was in my head, you know. As soon as I realized, as soon as I heard about them there from l A. And as soon as I saw David Lee Roth and then as soon as I heard more than you know, the next thing I
heard was eruption, you know, the guitar solo. And you know, hearing just two pieces of their first album and seeing what they look like, it just it felt brand new and it already felt like they're gonna be around forever. You just knew from the jump. And this is me as a thirteen year old kid who was obsessed with music. This band is one of the all timers. Like, there's nothing like this, and they all have the chops and the other thing too. As long as I'm just rambling incessantly,
Heny van Halen is a great rhythm player. It wasn't just about the solos. He led the band rhythmically. And he's also it needs to be noted, not that it's not obvious. He's a hell of a songwriter. I mean he really was. As I said before, he's a true unicorn. I mean, just just nothing like it. What does this sound like to you? It sounds frequent and right in like righting the zone you know when you're when you're playing something that you're in the same key that's one thing.
Because I listen, I play a little bit. I don't play even as good as my friends who are real life musicians, but it's perfect frequency and and not frequency is in the tone or the but as much because it's a lot. I mean, Brad Paisley plays, I know it's Brad Paisley because I hear the chicken picking. I hear he has a very distinct sound. And again I didn't catch van Halen as it was kind of happening in my childhood. But when I hear a van Halen song, even if I it's I don't know who it is.
If I just hear the guitar part, I hear the Eddie van Halen because I how fast he shreds. By the pattern that he does it, you can just tell by by by his fingers and it's kind of again it's hard to explain when you ask about music, but that's what I think about. And I try to always
try to, uh prepare analogies. And most of the people listen to this podcast here between twenty two to forty, and if you were to make an analogy to another band, it's gonna be tough, because listen van Halen was massive, But who later on had the kind of um impact or reflected the mass listening that van Halen had well, and just what what band can we look at now or in the last ten years and see, Okay, well, that's how big van Halen was to the people that
were the kids in the eighties. Well, van Halen hit in the late seventies. Ten years later he had Guns and Roses. Six years after that, you had Nirvana and Pearl Jam. As far as what it is in the two thousands, honestly, I wouldn't know. I I haven't. I haven't seen any young band that to me have have
have broken new ground or gone anywhere with playing. The other thing about Eddie van Halen you gotta recognize is, you know, that's the that's the beginning of the end of music being played with human hands on wooden instruments. I mean, as a general rule, there's still great rock and roll music being made today, but for the last twenty thirty years, electronic music has has lived side by side.
Um you know, computer generated beat driven music has lived side by side with rock and rolling in fact overtaken it. So when Eddie van Halen broke through, that was still just what everybody did. They played instruments, and he's the guy showed up. You know what is it the mountain? Gladwell says, you need ten thousand hours to be great at something. He showed up like a hundred thousand hours.
And and there hasn't been a musician in the world of rock music in the last thirty I can't think of a single person you say, set the higher genre on it here. I mean Eddie van Halen literally did that. He he obliterated what it meant to be a great guitar player. For a few years. It really set off the equilibrium of the music industry. I mean, he's he's he was a genuine earthquake, much the same way ten
years earlier Jimi Hendricks had been. And that's the only two that come to mind that you could say had that kind of impact. I heard somebody else today say that, you know, the two greatest, most significant chiefs the technology in the second half of the twenty century, where the electric guitar and the television. And as soon as the Jump video hit hit the airways, all of a sudden, Eddie van Halen was in control of both. You know, when you take a gally that and put him on
MTV in those videos. Man, forget it. There was just nobody that could They could touch him and come close and listen. I'm a drummer. And you mentioned Brad Paisley. Pasked Brad Paisley with Eddie van Halen and a lot of the great country players of today, Keith Urban and all sorts of players. They grew up listening to Van Halen records. You know, there's there's not as big a landscape for a guy to play a guitar and get a paycheck in in the world of rock music as
there is in country music. And there's a lot of a lot of guys who were making a lot of money playing guitar and country music right now. I grew up listening to rock records first, and and of all those guys that he was always he was always the guy. He's always been the gold standard. Don't have a chance to meet Eddie or any of the guys of an Halen. I met David Lee Roth several times, but he's the
only the Pete Angelis who managed the Black Crows. He started with Van Halen as their creative director from before they had a record deal. He was. He directed all their videos, he designed all their lights, he played a big part in their stage for Soon. He was, creatively speaking, very much a member of that organization and and in the David Lee Roth era. You know, was was thought of by a lot of people as the fifth member of Van Halen. So I know an awful lot about
that story through Pete. I met Dave in the early nineties several times. But I know, I I know a lot of people who've worked with Van Halen over the years. I mean, I've heard enough stories and here enough things to have a fairly consistent sense of of Eddie's work ethic, uh and of all the things that motivated him and drove him to be what he was. You know, the Black Crows were, and I've told you this into your face as well. Black Crows to me were instrumental in
my just music upbringing. And you know, it was the bands that you mentioned, which were the grunge bands, but the Black Crows felt a little bit like it was like dirty rock in the South a little bit. It was kind of a bit of what it felt like to me is you're trying to describe music and stuff, but that's what the Black Crows felt like around that same time where I was like, man, I kind of
actually identify with this rock music a little more. And then you know, as you grow up and you start to look back and listen to the music, and you put out a book I Gotta and I and I was looking through the book when you put it out. How much crap did you get into for sharing some of those stories with the about those guys? Uh? None, who's gonna mess with me? Did they anyone reach out to you privately go like, come on, dude, wh are
you gonna be a douche? No? Oh no, There's only two people that would probably be offended with anything I wrote. The problem with my book is that it felt true. So if anybody's gonna say anything to me, especially the to the two people that you're referring to, my former partners, the brothers Robinson, they've spent their lives uh, spitting out as much as they couldn't have thought they could that
we're honest, We're honest, we're honest. So it's kind of hard to build a you know, a reputation on I call it like I see it. And then when somebody does the same thing, you have a problem with it. So I've not heard a word from either one, and I can't imagine I ever will the book. You gotta
check it out. It's called Hard to Handle. The Life and Death of the Black Crows's memoir came out May of this year, so it came out during the pandemic, which the paper the paper back came out, and yeah, it's been out for over years in hard book the paper but you couldn't you couldn't like do a new book tour on it. When I did my paper you know, my books paperback was like a whole new level because it was distributed. It was a little cheaper to distribute,
so they put more out. You got to do press again. But because the pandemic, I felt like you kind of missed out on that. You feel that way, Well, I got I did. I mean I did it. I had a decent run. I mean from September through I guess the last event I did was in February, so you know, I mean I did a around twenty book events. It certainly would have been the problem for me as it
turned out, I said, it's a problem. I had just started my new radio show at the same right around the same time, and it wasn't as easy for me to just jump and hit the circuit right away, you know, just come flying out of the gate. So, uh, it wasn't as coordinated as as it could have been, I guess. But you know, the book has legs, like any book for people they care about the band, it's always gonna be there, and uh, you know that's it is it we to every night, travel play, be super close of
folks when you absolutely cannot stand them. No, you learn how to compartmentalize that compartmentalize that stuff really early, you know, actually looking back, I mean, but but it didn't start where we couldn't stand each other. The band started thickest feeds, you know what I mean. It was like we were kids who agreed on a dream and we put everything
we had behind it. And it takes years before anyone's willing to stick their head up out of the sand and go, hey, I think I'm kind of miserable, or I think I don't trust you anymore. It's a long long time before, at least it wasn't on the case of the Black Crows, before we all felt comfortable saying those things or even admitting them to ourselves is really
the first step. Um. You know, there's an awful lot of there's a lot of love, and there's a lot of betrayal, and there's a lot of fear and loathing and insecurity and arrogance and all those sort of things just on kind of hyper drive in a band like ours.
And so by the time you were able to admit to yourself this isn't what I was hoping for, you figured out how to play and just about any circumstance, in any situation, and if the band is still good, then you tell yourself, well, hey man, you know, look at what we just did on stage for two and a half hours. It's worth it, you know, whatever else is going on, it's worth it to be in a
band like this. Do you guys have any bands that you hated like that you saw playing and not because they weren't good, but because just as people, you were like, they're not for us and we don't want to be friends with them. Yeah. Oh well, well my band was the worst at having a long list of bands we didn't get along with. I mean, I'm a pretty agreeable dude. I get along with just about anybody, but my partners weren't that way, and as a band, our reputation was
definitely a bit stand office. I mean, we either It's like the mindset of the Black Crows was we either love you or we have no time for you. Not necessarily hated you, but you know, if if we didn't embrace what you did, it was kind of like, yeah, whatever I mean. Um, you know, there there were there were some amusing things over the years. I'm trying to
think if there was. When Shaking money Maker came out, we got lumped in with Slaughter and skid Row and a lot of bands that we had no regard for, and we did cross paths with those guys sometimes, and we were, for better or worse, one of the few bands who would actually look at some other band and go, dude, I don't want to talk to you, I don't like your music. I think you're a clown. Just just leaves. This isn't gonna be good for you. You know, we we we actually acted like that to other bands in
the early days. Um, it was kind of funny to us too. You know, we all grew up watching Bill Murray movies. We were all just trying to be like that guy in stripes, but in a rock band on a certain sense. But then you know, it's weird to open up a magazine and see a band that you can't stand right next to you. And like, back in those days, you'd see rock mags and it would be readers pull our two favorite bands, Warrant and the Black Crows,
and we'd be like, what were weaz with Warrant? You know, And I look back now and I don't care about Warrant. I wish those guys well, I don't care about any these fans. But when you're three and you get your first shot at it, man, you take everything a little too seriously, or at least we did. You know a lot of my buds who are artists now and mostly a few years ago before they started to settle down.
But people would girls would reach out to them through direct message on Instagram and so then that's how they would link up. That's how they would meet later and they would do whatever they do later on. How back in the nineties would you guys meet the chicks that you would hang out with each Sydney. You know, this is the sad truth about the Black Crows. Um that was hardly a priority for us as a band. Um, you know, for me, I mean I've been with the same moment since the end of I'm you know, I'm
thirty years last month in a monogamous relationship. So but but you know, if if I have to think back to before that, when we were on the road, it was just like it was when you're a local band. You just show up and meet somebody in the town and move on. It wasn't a question of there was no thought to uh. I know, bands that that that was sort of their raisin day after, you know, like they hit the road and it was just a matter
of surround themselves with women at all times. The truth is just you know, of all the things about the Black Crows that made no sense, one thing that made a lot of sense was we were obsessed with being a great live band. And we got on the bus at the end of the night and everybody was drinking and everybody was smoking weed in the early days before harder drugs moved into the scene. But we were listening to live bootlegs instead of partying in the dressing room
with girls. We were literally we would record our shows and listen back that night and and talk about where a jam could have gone farther, or where we went too far, or how do how do we get the rhythm section to carry this interim section between these two songs. I mean, we were we were obsessed with that in the earliest days. And I think a lot of bands at the road and they're already sort of fully formed.
We we were making it up as we went. Like our first album came out, we hit the road in support of it, and we've never played more than four nights in a row in our life. And suddenly we went on tour for twenty months. We had never toured before. We already had a song on the rock charts before we'd ever toured, so we felt like we had a lot.
We had to make up a lot of ground. You know, we were we were coming from behind from the jump, and you know, individually, I'm sure members of the band were doing whatever they could with women, but as a band scene, we never had a groupie vibe ever. There was never The word on the street was never the black crows are looking for women. It was always the black crowsters looking for drugs, if anything. And two more
things to talk to you about. The first thing is in the heyday, when you guys are just knocking them out. Who is the most famous fan that came up to you? Guys? I was like, I'm just such a die hard fan. We're like, holy crap, that's that's crazy because you're awesome. That's a good question. We had a lot of app leats. There was a lot of pro athletes, you know, a lot of dudes just you know, football players and basketball players. Um as far as like you know, a movie star
or man. I'm trying to think, I mean, because the ones we were most impressed with were just other musicians. Like the first time we met Malcolm and Angus Young of a C d C. They were like, just a proper band. You guys are great, we love your record. I mean that meant more than that's way bigger Julia Roberts coming up to you, or David Duchovny from the X Files or I'm just trying to think of people
that we cost. You know, it's nice, but we really were the band that, like, you know, we opened for Robert Plant on our first tour for six weeks and the first show was at Red Rocks and he burst into our dressing room to go, hey, guys, I'm so glad you're here. I love the record, and I mean, there's no coming. There's nothing better than that, literally, nothing
like Robert Plant knows our name. What kind of weird world are we in all of a sudden, so famous person that wasn't in the music would have been a long you know, way way back in second place behind those kind of things. Well, and I want to end on this because we started talking about Eddie van Halen where you know, Eddie and his brother were the two constants in van Halen the band. They switched out lead singers, you know, two wildly successful another you know, when the
gay from Extreme came over not so much. But I think you know that band had kind of aged a bit as well. So I don't know that it was his fault exactly, but if and you can speak on the power of Eddie and his brother and and and then being the force of that band. But but to start it off with this, you know, could the Black Crows have switched lead singers and and continue to move
on um? And how hard is that to do? Uh? Well, well, I mean yes, the Black Crows could have switched out Chris Robinson at some point and still managed to find career, if that's what we were concerned with, maintaining a career. Yeah, we could have found a singer that could act like a frontman, and we could have brought in outside writers to write songs that were sure or to be hit. But every element, everything about how we went about being the Black Prows, none of it was guided by those thoughts.
So really, I mean on paper, yes, of course, in reality, not a chance. I mean, Chris was the engine that drove, that motivated or you know, he he led the band for better and oftentimes for worse, wherever we were going, and his inspiration it was the guiding light. And oftentimes I would say, like I wish he had been inspired somewhere else or by something else. It was difficult, but it was just the reality of that band. I can't imagine how we would have functioned with somebody else, because
you know, it's like the Almond Brothers. They did very well without Dwayne Almond, but there was a vacuum that everybody tried to fill. They were successful, but the essence of what made that band so special was gone forever. If if if, that is, if something had happened to Chris in the nineties. There's no way you can replace that. We could have been a functioning band, certainly, and like I said, we may have and successful, but it would not have been the same thing. And and you know,
because Chris was the catalyst. He wasn't responsible for He's not singularly responsible for any of it, but he was. You know, you have to recognize what the catalyst is and it was him. Dwane Allman was the catalyst for the Olmer Brothers, not Greg Almond. Noel Gallagher is the catalyst and Oasis. Could they have worked without Lamb, sure, but it would have been very different. It wouldn't have been the same. And that's the case in the Black
Crows for sure. Well how about van Halen, you got I mean, it's all about Eddie, It's all about it. I mean, you know, it's a sect, but honestly lives upland could have worked if Robert Plant had checked out after a couple of records. That's Jimmy Hendrick, I mean Jimmy Hendricks, that's Jimmy Page's band. That was his baby. He envisioned that whole thing. When you have a guy like Eddie van Halen, Uh, you know, David Lee Ross.
For the people that don't know or don't remember from seventy eight to eighties nine, he was a of your rock stars. There wasn't a planet. Eddie van Halen really wasn't a rock star. He married a TV star. He did a lot of drugs, but he did drugs and just went to his room and wrote songs. You know, he wasn't a party He wasn't partying to be partying. He was just an addict at the end of the day who was obsessed with making music and doing it
his own way. And he was the guy. You know, it's it speaks to what we said at the beginning, like just what a complete unicorn he was. That the band that you know that you could have David Lee Roth as your front man and still people went to see Van Halen and he would do a ten or eleven minute guitar solo on stage alone. Do you know how long ten minutes is? No one went to the bathroom,
That's what everybody was there for. And he's just just a totally No rules that any other band ever had to operate under apply to Van Halen, and that's because of Eddie van Halen. There he is Steve Gorman. You can check out the book Hard to Handle the Life and Death of the Black Crows and Memoir, which paperback came out in You can also follow on Instagram at Steve Understore Underscore Gorman Underscore. You had to get both those underscores in there. I got both of them. Man,
I can't relate to the Instagram game. All the Steve Gorman versions were taking and then Trigger Hippie plays drums and Trigger Hippie so check that? What what what's Trigger Hippie up to? Well? I mean, like everybody else, we're just waiting. You know. We put a record out last Fall, Full Circle and then some and we were out touring.
I mean again, we were on the road September to March pretty consistently, and uh, I think our last gig was March seventh, and then, like everybody else, now we're just on the sidelines wait for somebody to wave a green flag. Yeah. Well, I appreciate the time. I appreciate you talking about uh Eddie van Halen how much he meant to you and rock music and then catching up on the Black Crows. I hope you have a good day, man.
Thank you again, Yeah, thank you brother, pick here. Bobby and Eddie's music school is now in session, up in the morning and out to food. All right, Eddie is here with me, Eddie, what are you gonna teach us today? All right? So you know Chicken Fried by Zack Brown Band right to me. This is the song that Zack Brown Band is known for. This kicked off their huge career. It's their song, but at one time it almost wasn't.
So it was written by Zach and someone else. But and they recorded as a band in two thousand and six. But then they stopped it. They say, hey, radio, pull this because there's interest from someone else. Alan Jackson is thinking about recording this and putting this out. So they put a hold on it. They said, all right, stop it. Alan sat on it for a little bit and then said, guys, I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not feeling it. And do you want another reason why? He said, recently
I had songs like about corn bread and chicken. I had a Bolognian one of my songs, and it just food is happening right now a lot of my albums. I'm gonna stay away from chicken Fried. I don't want to be known as the food guy. So he turned it down. Zach Brown Band said okay, fine, we'll keep it, and now this is their jam of course. Pretty interesting. Yeah, that is pretty cool. I can't think of the Zach
Brown band with Bologney in it. I know, he yeah, the Alan Jackson song, I know, the the corn bread, corn bread and chicken, yeah where I come from. Yeah, but where's the Bologney song? Mike? When you google Allan Jackson? Oh, I still like bologny. I don't even know that song. Must be an album cut, Alan, and we don't know that song. You could have gone with chicken fried? Dude? Was that a single? Really? I don't know that song. I don't either, but but you know what I do,
we have. I still like Bologny in the system. You know what I thought too, is really things that we don't care about. Like if if Alan would have put out chicken fried and he had cornbread and chicken and the Bologney song, I don't think we would care too much. We wouldn't even probably think about calling him the food guy. But in his mind, it's a brand, and he's like, I can't be known as a food guy, especially fried chicken.
They's satellite communication. I know this all long distance, Yeah, I just didn't know it's called It's like I still like maloney white bread, Yeah of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's all willing, good enough. Don't embrace it like I should. Wouldn't want to go back even if by here we go, here's the chorus. But I still like a brand and that's colonial white bread with mustard. Love it. Not the best for me healthwise, no, but love it. But Alan Jackson did say in retrospect, I
should have recorded that. Yeah, how about this my version of music school. I want to talk about Chris Stapleton's number one songs as a songwriter. So he only has one number one as a singer artist, which is ok in Halos, which at two thousand one number one or two thousand eighteen millionaire, was only a number two. Woh, I didn't know that. But that's his only radio number one Broken Halos. His album has been number one forever.
It was number one in a lot of weeks. But he's had several number ones as just a songwriter more than as being an artist. So I thought we'd look at his country number one's Josh Turner your Man, just to be you that video and Chris came in before
he was a big deal. We set him on the show a lot and he played this because he was songwriter Chris Stapleton's It's got millions of yous on our YouTube channel, Chris Stapleton doing your Man, and it was very different than Josh Turner's version because Chris sings higher and angrier and angrier. Right, So, yeah, there you go. That was a number one for Josh Turner. Another one is Thomas Rhett Crash and Burn and if I'm not in Spake and Bone, I think he's singing in the
background the song. He said, Oh yeah, I'm right there, yeah, doing background vocals and I again, if I'm not mistaking, I think he's doing the wh Yeah. We asked him that. I was like, hey, is that the Chain Gang song? They were like, no, that's me because do you know chain Gang song? He goes on the Chang Gang. He goes, that's the sound of them and working on the Chain Gang. Know ye Never Wanted Nothing More by Kenny Chesney Nothing Moved,
Nothing Move, released in two thousand seven. He wrote that I didn't know that he wrote comeback song by Darius Rucker. Because I didn't know. This is such a damn. Stapleton has written two songs with Darius over the years. This one got him a number one spot on the charts, which is pretty cool. I wonder if Chris ever plays these songs live. Probably not now. I bet he did early when he is a songwriter. Don't have a bunch
of hits now. People want to hear his songs for sure, yes, but I would love to hear him sing this one. The best thing that I had going by Brad Paisley. This is way back in the day. So number one as one, number one as an artist, the five five as a songwriters, so six total. Pretty cool. That's awesome. He's got new music. I think that two songs out right now. He has the one that we play, but then he has another one called Cold. Yeah, the one we play is really good. I like it. Well start again,
begin again? What's that starting over? Yeah? Yeah? I mean everybody loves Chris Stapleton. There's one thing we can agree on in this country. We all love. Everybody loves Chris Stapleton. Eddie, tell me about your podcast, Sore Loses podcast me lunch Box and Raimundo and we talk sports guy stuff. We get on each other's nerve, but then we make each other laugh. So it's a good podcast. Check it out. You like sports or idiots, that's exactly what he's playing
out Fred. Check out the Sore Losers podcast. All right, thank you very much, Cassie. How are you? I'm good? How are you? I'm real good. I was looking at your Instagram the other day, which just fascinated with the clothes that you make. That's a whole side topic. But and you had a motorcycle with you and you were like, man, this is such a natural endorsement for me to have
or the record label to have. And then I saw you put out a song that was, you know, basically in that same vein, which is Black Motorcycle, which came out on Wednesday. So I guess you grew up with motorcycles. Yes, I did. I My dad had one to my entire life, and he always took me up from my mom's house on one. And I grew up on their bikes, like when had trails throughout a whole bomb. So that was just you couldn't keep me off of them, so you
like to drive them or ride on them. Um, Now, now that I'm old enough that I had my life Sinse. I definitely drive, and I drove dirt bikes, but growing up I was on debt the entire childhood. Did they give you a free Harley for this? Um? No, no, no, but I'll call my That would make my entire life that happen. Yeah. Well, I love that you put the song out on a Wednesday too. Is there a theory for you behind putting out music on a Wednesday instead
of the standard put it out on a Friday. I wanted to kind of avoid the crowd of a Friday because I know it's just a music fan when Friday rules around, Like, I'm trying to get through all the music that I want to get to, and you know, our lives are fast paced, we're all busy, and it's really hard to do that. So I thought, I really loved my favorite armies came out there and saw on a Wednesday, so that I had time to digestic for everything else hit. So I thought, why not do that myself?
This song? Was it already a song that existed before you got Hardy to be a part of it. Yes, I wrote this song like three years ago. Huh, And so you had it. Did you pitched them, Hey, we may put this out if you guys want to be a part of it, or we're putting it out, would you guys like to be a part of it? Well, we we honestly thought about just putting it out, and then last year Holy came to my Sensis performance and we started on conversations. They knew how big of a
Harley fan I was. They got to be my dad, I got to go up to the museum and tour, and then it was it was like a no brainer, let's put the song out and announced the partnership. I was looking at your your TikTok. You got a TikTok that has three point two million views, like one of yours is it's one of your friends acting out a scene from Harry Potter? Were you first of all, Hey, that's awesome to get three million views on a TikTok. We did one at the house last week and it's
got two point four million right now. And I was looking at it before I came over. I was like, Holy crab, And then I looked at yours and I was like, oh, man, Cassie crushed us. But were you guys on a train when you did this. Yes, we were on a trane in Germany and we didn't think, oh, let's make a TikTok. We didn't anything. That was just my guitar Jane by guitar player games, just thinking themselves. That all happened to record it. And then when I was told like, hey, you got a post to two
talks about making TikTok, that was the perfect one. And of course it got like three million years and like a couple of days, I think, and I was like, oh, all I had to do was high guitar player, and so this was the secret all along. I watched your tutorial on how to customize your iPhone with the new operating system. Yours look obviously because it's you, super cool and artsy. Did I see that you helped Marion Morris
do that on her phone too? Yeah? I did. She texted me and I that was the first before I made this when I sent her which was like not as in depth as the one I posted, and she's like, thank you so much, and so she said this is still other people this. So I made a full tutorial and posted it and it was crazy because people were coming me, coming to me with like other questions, and I was like, listen, I have no I've just tood at customization in anything in life and those than that
so far. So you just an all around artist, if it's music or fashion or even customizing your iPhone. When did this start for you? Whenever you had the itch to be creative? Oh, as soon as I was old enough to realize that can be. I think I didn't decide one day that I was going to be creative. I just was made that way. My mom would let me take my clothes out, literally in kindergarten, and I would put dress up close together, and I would watch her so and he sang, so I sang, and it
just kind of came together. And I think as I got older, I learned that the best, most rewarding thing to me is to see something in on in my brain and then you know, bring it to fruition myself. That's like the most It makes me happier than anything in the world. So I learned every material you can do that with. Basically, I saw you building things at your house too. How many dy projects, big ones do you think you've done this year? Oh? A lot? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe oh, I don't know.
I did my whole kitchen, I did my master bathroom, I did my backyard. I did so many outfits, probably like curly outfits. I had to stop because that much favage is really expensive and I had nowhere to wear them. So what was the point? I have to be creative? Ook to day. That was sec not losing my mind. You talk about your clothes. I brought it up to what percentage of your clothes do you make versus what
you buy? I would say when it comes to like performances and like appearances that I do, I would say, I of what I wear, I made Wow. Yeah. Do you ever gift someone an outfit like, hey, I made this for you? Very rarely? I made Marion Morris, so we mentioned there. I made her coat for like, a very fancy still brocade robe for like when she asked me to be on her tour. I made that for her. The sleeves were fur lined. And I have made my
manager a set of look through with LT pajamas. Not it is that something that you would like to do, because you know people have side deals where side hustles and like Rihanna designs clothes or is this just a you thing right now. For now, it's a meet thing. But it's funny that you bring up Rihanna, because that's like when people are like, what do you want to do with close eventually? That is a great example like music will always lead away, will always be the forefront.
It's what I love the most. But I wouldn't love to have a line one day. Love Cassie Ashton on with us. Black Motorcycle came out on Wednesday. You've got so many good songs. I'm just such a big fan of her entire body of work and you just just love what you're doing. Keep it up and thanks for spending a few minutes with me, and I hope you have a good rest of the week. Thank you you too, Alright, Bye Cassie. Bye m