25 Whistles: Dan Patrick on What He Looks for When Interviewing Athletes + Coach Sam Pittman Discusses Dealing with the New Age of College Football & the NIL + Show Introductions + Bobby’s Weird Estate Sale Purchases

five Whistles. We're talking in college football NFL. And so this is an episode that this was our starter episode and the goal is in like five episodes, to be embarrassed of this episode because it was so bad compared to what we're doing now. But we're very proud of it. And mostly if you like it, go and subscribe and follow our podcast. I think it's the only ever limited sports podcast that's focused on current sports. So Dan Patrick

is a guest. We're very excited he came on. I just didn't expect to get somebody so awesome in the first episode. Also, the Arkansas had football coach Sam Pittman, and even if you hate Arkansas and you've heard me talk about it so much you're like, please stab me in the ear. We don't really talk about ark saw football that much doing Mike. It's mostly like being an

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And it's weird. People are like, well, I didn't know you did sports. I'm out of retirement. I got called back in back in back at a national sports you on Fox Sports Radio for many years covered the draft for ABC and ESPN, and it's just generally my my obsession and hobby. And you're not gonna hear us breaking down coverages in this podcast. It's just hopefully the stuff that you want to hear your friends talking about sports. All right, that's what's up. And we're gonna do it

till the super Bowl. But here is episode one with Dan Patrick and all of us here in twenty five whistles is the podcast called tim Sucking fun Ball and they whist yes, but what didn't you expect? It's a podcast whistles whatever, everybody, we we actually are wearing whistles, and we'll get to that in a second. But whoever has the best show today gets to blow the whistle at the end. It's the it's the reward for winning, doing the best job. If you overplay, though, we'll take

your whistle away for next game. That's quite the reward, big one. The only one person gets to blow the whistle at the end. What's happening, everybody. So what we're gonna do here is we're gonna do our warm ups, just like in a game. I'm gonna give you a warm up question. We'll go around the room, we'll introduce you. This is how we get to know each other. So we'll go around there and first up, the question will be who is your favorite football player as a kid.

So think about that for a second. Your favorite player as a kid. First up, Adam Handbrick. Adam your favorite football player as a child, Smithy, I grew up a Cowboys fan. Yeah, you know, the the other Cowboys get the traditional TV coverage in Arkansas, and that's who was on and that's who my dad was a fan of, and so I was. I got duped into being a Cowboys fan when they were winning all those Super Bowls

and the nineties Eddie Joe Montana. So before I was there a Cowboys hear me, Before I was a Cowboys fan, I was the Ford Niners fan obviously, because Joe Montana and Jared Rice and all those dudes were just dominating. And then once Joe Montana went to the Chiefs retired, bah blah, I was like, I need a team, and so my mom was really into the Cowboys. Obviously I'm from South Texas. Let's go Cowboys and we started winning. That's my team now. But you can't really change teams.

Well you're not, as I literally thought you were a much like deeper Cowboys fan. Yeah, I feel borderland trade Listen, you can't trade teams. Listen. When you're a kid, you like who you like and at that time it's just whoever is winning it. I don't have a team, like can you imagine. I can't imagine me a Ford Niners fans still like that. That's ridiculous. I'm not from California, Texas, but I'm surprised you just warn't as a kid, I guess that's what I'm saying. Are there any I heart

Texans fans? I mean, like, unless you like live there and you're like soup, you know that would be I remember as a kid kid maybe a Texans fan because they grew up there. I remember as a kid there were a lot of Oilers, like it was split Cowboys. Oilers and Cowboys weren't I mean, stop back. Those were great days for them. But I think there were more Oilers fans when Texans took over. I mean I didn't know anybody kick off Kevin Your favorite football player as

a kid as a kid? Um, well, either one would be Tom Brady, but he's still playing, so I'll go with Randy Moss. That's crazy. I was nine. Do you have such a beer and big muscles? How old are you at a young age? No? You do not do that's all. Yeah, like the oil fields for like twenty years. Is that a good thing? That's a good thing. That's a good thing. He's like se Kwan Barkley as a kid, like Joe Burrow. Mike d favorite football player as a kid Troy Aikman. Okay, that's a good one. How old

are you, Mike thirty one? There we go. There's like a generation difference still on your favorite players, though, I guess Tom Brady the first part of Tom Brady, Yeah, like the earlier. But like I said, the first player I remember liking was Randy Moss. Dear God, we have three Cowboys fans here. It's a Cowboys show. Welcome to

the Cowboys club. Mine is boom Assayasin because when I was a kid, he was the only left handed quarterback that I really like, and in the Forts were winning, so I didn't go with Steve Young and Joe Montana was hit early in my early days. And then when Steve Young became the quarterback and he was left handed, I don't like a winner. I like somebody that's a loser that becomes a winner. So I was a big Cincinnati Bengals fan. I remember watching them beat by the

forty niners and being so sad. I cried. It was it was awful. But Boomersia said he was my inspiration until like seventh grade when I wasn't quarterback anymore. And he also like went to the Jets. And there's a whole weird thing. So but I don't have a team. I don't have an NFL team. I like a lot of the NFL teams. I hate a few NFL teams, mostly just the Cowboys. But and I don't even have But I don't even hate him as much. I hated a winner, so I hated the Cowboys all throughout the

you know, mid to late nineties. We should love us now, well, yes, you're a big losers. But you guys are so annoying. So you say annoying, I say, we're very hopeful. But yeah, it's a passion, hope because every start of the year we're like, this is it, this is our year. But I can appreciate that. I don't I like that about you, but I can respect and also hate the passion. Hey, is it too late for you to come up with a favorite NFL team? Like? Um, I have a couple

of friends that play, and that makes it weird. Weish we should take some tweets and like get people to to for their teams. I don't give a crap. I'm good watching. I'll watch fantasy. I'll root for the Titans because they're close and there some people over there. I'll follow Arkansas players like Traylon Brooks with the Titans. I'll keep up with that. So okay. Second question, name a dumb sports mascot? All right, name a dumb sports mascot. Question.

Eddie says he's in go Blue Devils. Okay, the duke blue Man? What is that? High school was red Devils? I get it when you pictured the devil, it's red, right, But what's a blue Devils like the ice a devil? Is that his? Like? I just don't get it. His twin brother, that's the good devil. That's a good point. Kick off, Kevin, let's go with the Philly fanatic. I think it's just random to me. His look. You know, that's an interesting tea too, because when the mascot doesn't

actually like Stanford, what is it? They have a tree and they have Christmas year round. That wasn't my answer. Oh that's but yeah, Toledo. You know Toledo's mascot. Are they Rockets? Rockets? Um? So, I hate the Toledo Rockets. First of all, I hate because we went and Brad Paisley asked Eddie and I to go play a show after Arkansas played Toledo. It was a little more memorial stadium, and so we're supposed to kill him, and Eddie and

I are like, absolutely so, somebody an opener. Eddie and I the reging idiots and Brad easily right after the game we're supposed to win. We lost the game to Toledo. They beat us, and we were miserable. I didn't want to do as awful, So I hate the Rockets. I mean, Toledo's cool and fine. I was really worried that night that you weren't gonna go on my boycott. Straight up, Mike d named dumb sports mascot. I can't even think of, not a single dumb mascot. No, if I thought some

of the go razor back. No, somebody gets fired the first ever hear from them again, h Adam hambroke a dumb sports mascot. Why is Alabama the Elephants? I still don't understand it. I've been it's been explained to me multiple times, but I still don't get into care. I think a war eagle similar meaning what's a war eagle I like, but I like a piece eagle like the American eagle. Yeah, I mean yeah, I forget to pick the kind of eagle. Okay, we're all stretching out. We

got one more. Would your wife or Kevin? I don't think you have a you know, married, Sorry, you have girl? No, I don't. Would your wife or have you athetical? Have you ever had a girlfriend? What's the last time? The last serious one was probably four years ago. Okay, let's just act like you're still together. Okay, perfect it Would your wife rather you be generally a good athlete, or would you rather you generally have good fashion sense? If it was just naturally in you, Mike d fashion sense.

My wife gives on me all the time that I dressed like crap Adam hambrig Oh, definitely fashion sense. Yeah, Kevin athlete for sure, Eddie. I mean I don't dress well. My wife never says anything, and she loves that. My boys are athletes, like my little kids are really good athletes, and she loves that. So I think she would like for her husband to be an athlete. Yeah, I'm gonna go with athlete to My wife is extremely athletic. It's annoying. She's so gifted athletic, athletically and so I think she

would like that for kid. Time for the kid to dear God, if it gets my athletic ability, not hers. She can kill me. And I was a pretty good athlete, but she's you know, um and she can handle the fashion stuff for me out. Yesterday I went to dinner and I walked down all my clothes landing on the bed. I don't put him out. She pick him out for me. That's nice. Yeah, yeah, she kills that. Um. So all right,

twenty five whistles. Here's why we're named this draft. Kings was like, hey, let's I want you to do a show and I said, okay. We talked about it for a long time and I said, I don't want to commit to a show for all year. I don't know who's gonna do it with me. I don't know if we have the capat. I said, let's lot do a sports show and we'll do it till the Super Bowl. They were like, great, I'll do one a week, which

we're doing here. We'll probably do a little more than one a week occasionally, but I said I'll do twenty five and then we're retiring, and so that's why it's twenty five. Whistles will build whistled into each show, episodes over and then we're good. Episode two. That's it. Dan Patrick coming up in a little bits. As I look back at my favorite interviews ever and like the coolest ones. I put Steven Tyler up there, half Hourady with John Mayer, and I put Dan Patrick because I'm just a massive

Dan Patrick fan. You guys thought it was cool, right it was? It was awesome. So Dan Patrick coming up. And obviously the first episode, we're gonna have Sam Pittman, the Arkansas football head coach. We don't really talk about Arkansas football, meaning we don't get in. It's mostly like being an SEC coach, being famous, now in a town, all of that. So we talked with Sam Pittman a little bit. I was worried that when you book Sam Pittman, I'm like, here we go, it's gonna be an Arkansas podcast.

It easily could have been, but I didn't make it that I It was could have been any SEC head coach, but I just felt like I needed to go Pittman because that's my guy, and I knew I could get out just texted him, honestly, So next week and we get the quarterbacks coach, you to play quarterback for it. Logins coming on the polic All right, here's what we're gonna do. This is a little game we're gonna play

for the episodes that we do. You don't have to play, but if you don't get in today, you can't play the rest of the year. Oh my gosh. Right, So we're gonna play who Wins It All? So for one dollar. For one dollar, you can buy a team in college footb all you can somebody else can buy the same team for one dollar. You can buy a team in the NFL. Right now, you go who Wins it All? Put a dollar in on it, and you can keep

that one dollar in it. Now, if you change your pick at any time, you gotta double your dollar bet to two dollars. You can change and pick another team. So that being the case, we'll have to shut it down at one point. Obviously. What figure out when that is? Maybe it's new Year. Maybe it's because I just made the scheme up last night. So I don't want you guys to go beautiful mind to figure out how to actually beat the system. So We're gonna play who wins

it all? Nobody got a heads up, But for one dollar, you get to pick a team, and each one dollar college, one dollar NFL, and we'll keep up with it. Um does everybody want in for a dollar? It would be dumb. Let's play who wins it all? And we'll check every week if we wants to change your mind? Who wins it all? In college football? Okay? Now, remember, if you pick a big team, someone else might pick it with you. You just can't come in on a team that's already

picked a week after. We're later. So if you pick Alabama right now and you have been changing your mind to go to somebody else, I can then go to Alabama. But if you have it, I can't take Alabama later because we gotta split the money up in a weird way. Also, I'm making up the rules as I go. Right there. Okay, let's play who wins it all? Adam Handbrike college football? Who wins it all? Oh man, I'm gonna it's hard to argue against Alabama. I'm gonna argue against Alabama though,

and take Ohio State just big. We can't. We can't just have Alabama win it every year. You guys, well, I mean they didn't. I know, um, Eddie, give me a dollar for Alabama? Okay, I mean why not was guaranteed money? Man kick off? Kevin roll tied, I'm going Obama. Oky, we got two Obamas. Mike d I'm going with Georgia. Okay, you know what. First week, I'm also gonna go Alama. I'm gonna go. I do want, but I just want to be differently. I don't want to go three deep

on Alabama. We should have all written it down before, but I thought if I could read it, read you just up. I know. But I'm just coming up with the game as we go here. But yesterday he means, like an hour ago, I'm gonna go with Alabama. After all that thought, I still go to help. Okay, So there we go. That's that's NFL. That money is at one pot in FL. Ready, yea, let's go around the room, pick your team and it'll cost you one dollar to get in. Mike, do you get to go first? I'm

going with the Bucks kick off? Kevin. See you want to go to the Bucks to Yeah, let's go to the Bucks, big Adam. I'm going Bengals. Okay, yep, Eddie a bunch of videots. It's a dollar. Give me the cowboys. Give me the Cowboys. In week five, I'll probably change another dollar. I didn't say when they started out over for I'm gonna go with the packers so that you know, you guys can't hop on the packers. So I'm gonna sit on the packers for a little bit. I'll go

with the packers to win at all. Just we should have like a jar and have actual dollar bills. We should put it somewhere. But people steal from here. But it's only against like five bucks, so it's like a big deal. But everybody has, yes, everybody, everybody has two dollars. Yes, So just so I'm clear on the rules. Can once we pick a team, we can't and then we change from that team, we can't come back to that team.

You can if nobody else is on it. If no one else but like Alabama's already been packed, Alabama's on. So it's long if one of you Alabamas or me move off of it, as long as somebody's still on it, it's not open to take. If everybody moves off, somebody else can get back on. But if I were to get in a week four, then the money's all weirdly split up and we gotta do percentages. We got it, and if I that's the rules and I don't, I have to look back what I said. Okay, so we

all have our teams here. I do want to talk about Draft Kings for a second, because they're awesome and they're the reason that I'm doing this, and I've been with Draft Kings for a long time as in not just spokesperson, I'm not just spokespert, and I'm also a client. Um So when we're talking about the futures, the Bills are the favorite at plus six hundred, so they nobody

picked the Bills or the betting favorite. The Bucks are at seven plus seven hundred, the Chiefs plus thousands, the Packers of plus a thousand, and the Rams of plus twelve hundred. So those are your top five teams right now if you're gonna bet. But even picking a favorite this early, because I'm not a big favorite guy to bet, but even picking a favorite, the odds are long enough that this early there's still some pretty good money there.

If you've got Buffalo a plus six hundred eddie, if I bet if I've got a hundred bucks on Buffalo the plus six hundred, how much of money will I make? Uh five dollars? Right, because it would not not counting your one eddie. If I bet a hundred bucks, yeah, you're all you're almost right. I mean, if it's you're not counting. If I bet a hundred bucks Buffalo plus six hundred, that is how much money? But so it's seven. But it's the one the back exactly. You got it.

So we've all made our picks. But Draft Kings is awesome. It's easy to use. You get your money quick back. It's not like some people that we know that go through odd foreign places and that's a whole situation. Yeah, don't don't be that guy. Oh yeah, appreciate Draft Kings and being a part of it. Here. Let's do this. I think this is intric We already kind of got on a little bit. But we're gonna do identify your team in the first episode, so you know bias the

whole season. So when people say crap, you know that they have a bias. Um, I'll go first. I don't have an NFL team, but in the Arkansas player on bias four and I'm a massive Arkansas Razorbacks fan. Um, but I'm not biased there either, just in case at a bias alert. I don't have a college team. I went to sam Houston State. I mean, they're decent at the Division one, doful, but you're not like following them

every week? No, no no, no. But on ESPN plus they do play some of their games, and I scan it on a Saturday and they're playing, I watch it. I guess my point with this is if you hear us talking about a team in a segment here, so I guess Samson says rocking for some reason if they're coming up. But so, no college team, but also you're in a

all teams is the Dallas Cowboys kick off? Kevin uh No allegiance to a collegiate team, I'm like you, Or I have teams that I don't like and then teams that I kind of root for for whatever reason, So that's a bias or who do you not like? Because I don't like Notre Dame. See I grew up watching them, but I'm not a huge fan. I don't like Ohuse State, I don't like I might not want to hear this. Oklahoma I didn't like Oklahomila till I had to, but now I do. I can't hate them anymore. But State

it's another one. I don't like Texas, USC. I like Texas, I don't like USC. Uh. That's pretty much it for the most part. NFL, you have a New England had on, Yes, Patriots fan. My dad from back East Rhode Island. So I grew up in California, but dads from I've never met anybody from rhodel Ken just a whole like Mystery. Yeah, Mighty Texas, the Cowboys. Okay, I don't hate people from Texas or even individual long Horns, the brand on Arkansas.

I'm supposed to hate the long Horns. Adam Hamburg, massive Razorback fan. This is part of the reason why me and Bobby your friends, um and uh. Yeah. I grew up in Arkansas, but a lot of my growing up was in Mississippi. So I was like the only Arkansas Razorback fan within like two hundred miles, and so I just like, you know, I just like clung onto that as a kid, the Razorbacks and Cowboys. Razorbacks and Cowboys. But also since moving to Nashville, it was kind of

made made space in my heart for the Titans. And so it's can have multiple teams, can multiple teams, you can't have a one one. That's different conferences, though it was now different conferences. You can't have two teams. You can root along for two teams, but you can't have two teams. You have one team or no teams. Is that is that if you have three teams, you have no teams. You have two quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks.

That's like having multiple favorite teams. Um, okay, so this is our first episode and we're today, we're gonna start and I've introduced you to Kevin. Now I horribly named him kick Off Kevin because I was just like, we gotta call you something, and so it's a terrible names that you can change it, but we didn't. And so in the theme of naming you horribly, I've named your

segment horribly. So this segment is called kick Off Kevin's five question tittle tattle that makes no sense whatsoever, But this is this five question tittle tattle where and here's the rules And went up to this every time, but Kevin will come and he'll bring me five questions about NFL and n C double A I will answer it, and if you disagree with me, this is your first shot at the whistle. If I finish and you disagree, blow the whistle and I will come to you and

you can say your part. I like it. Okay, we're seeing I made this up to and I can't disagree. Correct. You are in this. You are the reporter. You cannot disagree. If later we bring it up again, that's fine, but you have to be absolutely impartial. Okay. I see the question and I shut my mouth like a good reporter.

Is okay, first question and the tittle tattle Kevin. Alright, which offseason quarterback in the collegiate World transfer will result real result in the most wins for their respective program. Caleb Williams going to USC Quinn you were is going to Texas? Dylan Gabriel to oh You or Jackson Dart down to old Miss Jackson Dart's interesting. I mean, all

those guys are kind of leaving the same place. It's like it's like justin Fields and Borough and when you know State Georgia, they all kind of just shifted a little bit. But that's happening here a little bit. Darts interesting because that Lane Kiffin's system is ready to win a little bit they have. I think they have a pretty decent shot to be competitive in the SEC West. Um, the kid at Oklahoma's from UCF. They are good and they play in a conference it's not that good, so

that's a factor. Caleb Williams awesome. I watched him a lot because I watched a lot of the games of my my wife last year. And when he came in, he took over for Spencer Rattler. It was the win over Texas. When they came back they wanted. He took over the whole game. Uh, that was pretty awesome. And who's who's the other option you get? And he hasn't even won the job. He's going to be the quarterback, but he hasn't officially won the job yet, at least

as we're recording this. Uh, he's the kid from Ohio State. He got a million bucks. I think designing pieced out, which is gonna be interesting too with Manning coming in Arch Manning next year into Texas. Now, if he doesn't play, which they're saying he's not going to freshman year, that kind of works out because you also have this year and next year and then maybe he goes pro. That way, you can sit for a year spent a rattlers another

option in South Carolina. I thought about him, but he kind of had a down year last year, so I was like, yeah, but then you're getting getting replaced. Yeah. He was the odds on favorite to be the first round draft pick this year though at one point last year. I'm gonna go with but from your options, give me your options one more time, just a quarterbacks. Since Caleb Williams you see winning yours in Texas dealing Gabriel to Ou,

I'm gonna go Gabriel. Gabriel is a good quarterback from ucf UM, and I think, oh you, of all those programs, has the best shot to actually win a lot of games, win that conference, and possibly be in the playoff. So that my answer there, all right, who blew the whistle? Me? Adam? Blew the whistle? Alright, Adam, because Kayla Williams, he's got a way easier road man. The Pack twelve is is

just not as good as the Big twelve. And I can't I can't think of more than three teams that should beat usc UM and so I think they're gonna at least win nine nine games. They have to win nine games. I think Oklahoma wins ten or eleven. They might. I don't know it's gonna beat them. Texas. Listen, Tech, I know Tech, he's got a first place vote. Texas is always just a craft shoot. And then they still have to get by Baylor, they had to give by Oklahoma State, and and I don't know that they can

win those in our first year head coach. Those are all like really good programs right now, I would now I don't agree with, but Ventables has been in Oklahoma, so it's not like that's all new to him. He was defensive coordinated there for a long time. Um, I'm still going to Oklahoma. You blew your whistle. Now you're you're off the show. All right, that's my answer. That's

number one. Give me ever two? All right. Do you think Rams quarterback Matt staffords sore elbow will be the downfall of l A's chance as repeating as Super Bowl champions? I mean downfall. No, I think it's gonna be something they have to watch, and I think they'll have to play a little different because of that. I think they'll probably not be able to run their offense as freely as they possibly would want to, even if he's feeling

pretty good. I think they just gotta. They have to monitor it and take care of it, even if it's not killing it at Tendonita sucks and I never even had it at a level like that, but I had it, and it was for four months. Had it worked on dry needled, I had. I did everything to it. Um so downfall. No, and their defense is so good that they could actually keep them in it or not mine. They could actually still win a whole lot of freaking games. So no, And I think Stafford will probably be fine

at the end of it. It's not like it's throwing elbow. It's that he's coming off reconstructive surgery. So I'm gonna go. They're still in it. They still have a chance, all right. Next one, Okay, old faces and new places for the wider evers. This year, will they have open or under their two thousand twenty one totals will start with Tyreek Hill with receiving yards in one had one thousand, two

hundred thirty nine. But two is this quarterback And I know, like people hate too and they say you can't throw. I've been watching the Dolphins practice videos and I'm only seen the ones Dolphins ones want me to see. They're looking pretty good. Like Tyrenk is running fast everybody. He was it on Instagram, it was on Twitter. Actually, I'm gonna go with under only because it is to it and not my homes. Uh, they're gonna really, I mean,

waddle is so good. Here's the thing about Miami though, They've got a couple elite wide receivers where the Chiefs didn't. She's had a great tight end. But I don't feel like they could open it. Why don't can fly to Like you got two of the fastest guys in the NFL. I'm still gonna go under because of the quarterback and not because I think I like to. Uh, but two is not my homes, so gonna go under. Give me

another one, all right? A. J. Brown twenty one or two one touchdowns, had five over under five this year with the Eagles. I think he has more. I think his quarterback situation is slightly improved. I don't think that he's going to a quarterback that's going to change his life.

I think he's got money that will change his life now, which is the Titans didn't want to pay him, but I'm gonna say more because I think he's gonna be more of a focus in that offense where Tannehill they threw a bit and he was they tried to make him the focus. They trying to make Julio the focus whenever he was not hurt, but he was also hurt

a little bit. So I'm gonna go he's gonna have more in Philadelphia, Okay, And Davante Adams to twoptions had a dree over under twenty three this year under just because Renfroze there, uh, that system, he will get he will get a lot of balls. But um, you know between renfro Ah Davante Adams Ah that the tied end in in Vegas is really good to Waller last year came out and kind of came out of nowhere as

far as the production he had. So I'm gonna go with still no, but I think they have a lot more options and I think he'll he will perform wonderfully, just won't get as many catches. All right, next question? Alright. Former pit wide receiver Jordan Adison, who transferred the USC this off season, recently said I definitely felt like I got drugged through the mud with the media after catching scrutiny from leaving Pit to go to USC Is this new era of college football free agency? Bad or good

for the game? If you worked at a business, Eddie, let's say you work at a business. Let's let's call it Eddie's Cattle Company. Love, it's where do you work at your own company? But I and Eddie's cattle company made ten bucks a year and that was what everybody made. And my company makes ten dollars a year. Just follow me along. I'm keeping the numbers lower kill and Eddie's Cattle. Eddie's Cattle Company the next year made twenty bucks for a whole year. You like doubled, right, Hey, yeah, you

do this. It's Eddie cattle companies growing in popularity. You just you've signed and uh different little deals for your cattle to go to certain places. Now, now five years later, Eddi's Cattle Company has gone from ten bucks a year to a thousand dollars. Let's go, you're there's so much money coming into the cattle company. Now, do you think that the people that are doing the work to make

that money deserve to be paid more? You're asking me, as the owner of my Eddie's cattle come asking you, as a person sitting right here, do you think that the people that are actually making the doing the work should be paid a little more for the job that they're doing. This making more money, treat your people right, Yes, they will work harder for you. So this is a macro perspective of that. Yes, he's been dragged through the mud. That's not that's not him though he's basically a free agent.

He let that be known. People were bidding for him. Um, players should make money because the n C Double A is college football is cru NFL been killing it for a while. They're making so much money in college football, the TV deals. You've had to have a billion dollar Big ten deal, a bit with a b billion dollar and so. But the only people who shouldn't get paid to the people they're actually doing the work. So I'm a big We should pay people for what they're doing.

And I I understand people are going with this. College football like what he used to be. The only other thing that I could compare it to was the It was controversial when they started to give athletes scholarships because even back then they were like, wait, you're gonna pay You're gonna pay for their college to play. They should just play the sport for love of the game. It's the same thing. It's just more money and you and more people know about it now because of social media. You're

you're paying them with a free education. Then college of ball didn't make a whole bunch of money, but now it's killing And so he was dragged with the mud. He deserves it, but he also deserves what he gets on the other side of the good stuff too. So that's the name of the game. You're public, you're making money, you get dragged to I get dressed with the mud all time. Do I deserve it? Sometimes? Uh? But I'm a big n I L fan. I think profit revenue

sharing will be a thing with players. I think players should be paid. End. Your question was is it fair for him? You do you think it's good or bad for the game. It's good. It's good. They'll figure it out. It's a wild West right now. It's a little too wild, but you gotta go full while west before you can shut it down a little bit true, all right? Right? Next question, how is this the fifth tittle tattle or fourth?

This is the last one, fifth and final one? The last three champions in college football have come from the SEC, and Alabama is the favorite. Again, if picking today, are you choosing the SEC or the field? Come January? The SE is probably gonna have one in it. So I'm just doing odds here, not about Alabama or Georgia. But if the SEC has this person in the championship game, that's still fifty fifty. I'm gonna go SEC. I'm big SEC homer, But if I'm just doing probabilities, I would

still go SEC. New you said Alabama and Georgia and that's it versus the field. Maybe I feel a little different about that because I feel like somebody could squeak up and probably surprise one of those two teams on one of the sides. Possibly surprise those are my two words I'm using. I don't think they will, but the SEC is tough, so I would take the secure alright, Hey, kick off, Kevin, terrible name, tittle tattle, terrible name for

a segment, but not bad. What the whole segment? Adam Blue whistle and he has big balls and he's done though. Yeah yeah, um so. Dan Patrick love him, Dan Patrick Radio Show, Dan Patrick, ESPN, Dan Patrick Sun Night Football. I was honored it was amazing, And here's my interview with Dan Patrick. Whoa Dan, good to talk to you. I'm big, just massive fan, just a massive, massive fans. So you know when they said you would actually spend a few minutes with me, I I was shocked first

of all and elated. So just humble thank you before we start. Great, great, glad to Glad to hill. You know, whenever I'm doing an interview and in one capacity or the other, I do them all the day, all the time, either on the radio show or on a TV show, But I it starts to just be a wheel and you're just doing them as they come, and you rarely get excited. Sometimes you're a little more up for one because you know the value of a bit. At this point in your career, do you still get about interviews

and with who especially? I think if you have somebody who's going to be honest with you, because you want to make sure you're not wasting the time of your audience. And I always want to make sure if I have somebody on maybe you don't know who they are, but I'm gonna bring out something in them that you would be interested in. I like the challenge of doing that, but it's the person who's going to be honest or

most honest that I find interesting. It's the person who tries to dodge what you're asking, doesn't give you much, wants to be very vanilla. Then that's where it gets really tedious. Give me an example, somebody who's great that you know, all right, we're gonna do it, and they're gonna be awesome. Charles Barkley is always great, Reggie Miller

is always great. I find that if you know my guests know if they come on the show that this is what we're asking them to do, don't come on the show unless you're ready to really give something, reveals something. But it's up to me sometimes to kind of extract them that from these guys. They get interviewed more than anybody. When you think about it, athletes are interviewed more than anybody.

You know where they are, you know, every day at practice, um, you know, before a game, after a game with the NBA. You have to have an approach that is refreshing to them and their competitors. And I find I got to compete with you to get an answer out of you. John McEnroe said, you gotta work harder to get a better answer out of me. And he was right. This was early in my career and I never forgot that sometimes you gotta work harder to get a better answer

out of somebody. Do you feel like you're a better interviewee because you interview so many people? Because you know, what I'll do is all critique your questions while you're asking them, and it's not fair to you. But I've given so much thought to interviewing. When I was at ESPN, I did a seminar that was five days, eight hours each day on interviewing. It was the best thing that

ever happened to me in my career. But it's the worst thing when you start to listen to radio or you listen to somebody on TV doing interviews, because you're listening for the things that they're not doing what you were told to do to bring out a good interview. Open ended questions, short question, You know that first question, what are you setting up for the next question? For your last question? What are you trying to get at? Like there's a strategy to it. And I wouldn't have

known this until I took this class. It was a guy named John Swatsky out of Canada. It was the master of the interview, and I was fascinated by it. Uh. I don't know who else, if anybody else was at ESPN.

They they were mad at me because I wanted to bring this guy in to teach us how to interview, because I saw an article and people are like kicking and screaming going to this seminar, and they didn't realize that I'm the reason why they were going there, because I wanted this guy to come in and help us.

You know, when you talk about the ESPN stuff, and I don't have a lot of questions about that, and I still don't, but it makes me think about, you know, my whole lifetime of watching you on ESPN and even Rock and Roll Jeopardy, which I was a big Jeopardy guys and a music guy obviously, and then you know, watch on Sunday nights and I would come home from the radio show and watch your radio show, you and

all the dan neds, like just a massive fan. But you know, I've started to realize that I, as a public figure, people think they know me at times more than they actually do, and they'll come up and and so, you know, one of the things that I'm most curious about. It's like if you go to your house and I feel like I know, yeah, but I obviously don't on a personal level, like in your house, what is your favorite picture in your house? Which if I just asked that question, what is it, who's in it? I'm a

big fan of the artist Wolf Khan. He passed away. I think he was just over the age of ninety. And you can't be in a bad mood when you look at a painting of Wolf Khan. Now pictures. Uh, there's a picture of my daughter in the library where she's in Galway and she's in a mud puddle and she's probably eleven years of age, and she's got mud all over her. She's thrown mud in the air, and she's got the biggest smile and it's one of those moments that you just go that person is having a

great day. So I tend to gravitate towards you feel better after you you see that picture and you see a painting from Wolf Kan. What about if I ask about sports, what personal sports picture do you have? Either you're somewhere with someone that you look at and it's not it doesn't mean as much because obviously that's your daughter. But it's like, man, that was a great moment, either in sports life or my life. I was in a

boxing ring. It was fight night in Arizona, and I was the host and we were honoring Mohammed Ali and we were going to give him this ring, and Mohammed Ali is standing next to me waiting for me to give him this ring. And I'm describing to the audience what this ring signifies, and I'm going to hand this to Mohammed Ali. And you know that this was probably a twenty years ago, but you know Parkinson's the onset

of Parkinson had started there. And I just remember in the moment, I'm thinking I'm gonna give a ring to Mohammed Ali, and I sort of fanboyd that. I was like, I gotta get this out of my head, because I sometimes that's the problem. I have too many things I'm thinking of when I'm doing something that I shouldn't be

thinking about. But that moment where I look and I go, who would have thought that a kid came from a small town in Ohio is there with Mohammed Ali, honoring Mohammed Ali, And I'm it's never lost on me where I came from and growing up in a big family, that I came a long way, but that you can come from a small town where you never would have thought you've gotten there. So it brings out a lot of different thoughts memories there of you're still this kid

who was from Mason, Ohio, but you got here. Don't forget where you came from from Mountain Pine, Arkansas, population seven uh So similar instances, you know, growing up and there wasn't a lot of resource where I came from. So how what showed you and who showed you that there was actually a path to greater even though you couldn't quite define greater. I think I was too naive or stupid to let reality sink in and that you

can't do this. I didn't have a plan b So when people said, oh, if you weren't gonna be a sports conister, what would you be? And I'd be like, I don't, I don't know. I'm guessing bartender. But I I didn't know, and I had been rejected in quite a few places. I lost a job, local job in Dayton, Ohio,

and I was distraught. So I'm I'm twenty six seven, I don't have a full time job in sports, and that's old in this business to get started, and I thought I'm never gonna get I was doing morning drive radio rock and roll station, and I thought, this is what I'm gonna be doing. And the next girlfriend said, just come down to Atlanta. I said, day I don't want to go to Atlanta. She goes, no, just come down here. CNN's hiring. I go, I just I lost out on a job in Dayton, Ohio. I'm not going

to get a job at CNN. So I go down there, lo and behold. I go in there last day I'm in Atlanta. Give him my resume. Tape guy says, when can you start? So if I don't go to Atlanta, I'm not here. I mean I'm somewhere, but I'm not here because CNN. I was there for five years and after that I went to ESPN for eight team. So I always tell people right place, right time, But you better be right about what you have to know, like you have to know it if you get that opportunity.

And I'm sure that at some point somebody wanted to see if you knew exactly what you needed to know, and you did, or you wouldn't be seated there like we get those moments, but be ready for the moment. And that was something that stayed with me, stays with me. I tell that to my kids all the time. Be prepared, be overprepared, even if you don't get it, you'll still show that that person you you showed them respect by

being prepared. You mentioned eighteen years at ESPN, and I worked on American Idol for four seasons, and I would talk to some of the old contestants from back when Idol was so big, and but they said they didn't know it, they couldn't feel it because they were in it. Now. ESPN was a culture, especially for me, Was that situation similar because you guys weren't changing culture. Did you know it and could you feel it then? Or was it its own bubble? We were cordoned off, absolutely, and I

think that's by design by management. They didn't want us to be bigger than those four letters, not that we could be, but they didn't want us coloring outside the lines. Management even told me on one occasion, we don't want another Chris Berman, because Berman is the most important person in the history of ESPN. But he was sort of, you know, a hot air balloon that was higher than everybody else but still tethered. And they didn't want that.

They didn't want that to happen to me or Keith Oberman or Stewart Scott or whoever you want to throw in there. So they didn't want you to be a personality. Um So I think that that was kind of eye opening that we were getting honored. Mentioned. Uh, people came up to us when we saw them when we were out of events, but we weren't in New York or l A. We're in Bristol, Connecticut. We didn't run into anybody, but when we did, then you heard the impact that

we were having. And you kind of juxtaposed that too management that we never knew our ratings. They never told us. They didn't. They didn't want to empower you and say, you guys are really kicking ass here. It was like, yeah, you guys solid and improving, you know, kind of doing a good job there. You're like, damn, I thought I thought we were good. But that was that was eye opening there that management wanted to kind of keep us

under their thumb. Final question about the ESPN days and as far as when who is would you say as your BFF. Now from those days, if you had to pick one, oh, I would say that I correspond with Rich Eyes and more than anybody else, the people I really enjoyed were producers, associate producers, the makeup people, camera people. Those are the people I always enjoyed being around. Nobody wants to be around talent because all we do is

talk about ourselves. I wanted to be around the people who were just normal or as normal as possible in our business. And those are the people I'm still in touch with. Uh more the producers than the talent there, but probably Rich Eyes. Where does conference realignment end or where is it in five years? From where you sit right now, I still think we're headed towards an a f C NFC model with college football, where we just say, let's let's pull back the curtain. Let's not kill anybody.

This is big time business. Have revenue sharing, UM gonna treat them like their professionals, which they are. And I think you might have thirty teams in the NFC version and thirty she has sixty teams. Let's say a sixteen team playoff, and you know you might have relegation where maybe the sixty team drops out with the team that won the national championship in one double A or or something that creates excitement at the top and the bottom.

But I do think we're headed towards let's just have the fifty or sixty sixty best college football teams actually compete for a national championship and then you have everybody else after that with the fluidity of realignment or even in I L, like let's do five years in the future. There what's different about the n I L structure in five years? If you're just playing psychic then is today? Well,

the coaches have to embrace this. You know, when Kirby's Smart at Georgia signs a ten million dollar a year contract, but then bemoans the fact that we're paying these players a hundred thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars, like, have a dose in reality here. Now you're getting paid and you don't want them to get paid. Your job is tougher because of name, image and like, plain and simple, these coaches, I don't care if it's Nick Saban, Kirby Smart,

whoever it is. This makes your you know, the transfer portal name image and likeness makes it difficult. But when the source says to me, you know, the going rate for a running back is this price, the going rate for a quarterback is this, and the going rate for a wide It's almost like you have a list, like a men you where you go? How much is the stake? It's this, um you know, how much is that? It's that that's where we're headed with all. We're already there.

So I think embracing name, image and likeness, maybe you kind of put them all under the same umbrella. Maybe you're you're paying them. Maybe there's a salary cap that you have. I got. You can't say that won't happen because look at where we are now. Who would have thought Texas and Oklahoma would be in the sec U, c l A and USC going to the big tent. See, you can't say, well, I don't ever happen, because in

college football it could happen. And I think, as we move forward with this, how much are the players involved in this? Do we come up with legislation that limits this? I mean, you still have to declare this is income here, so it's got to be above board. And I think that that kind of takes away the If you take away name, image, and likeness. Bobby, you're going to have back to the old days of cheating. This is just above board. It's like, hey, would you give him a

hundred thousand dollars? Okay? Whereas before would be like do you hear what Eric Dickerson got at s m U gave him a trans am and they gave his MoMA house. You know that that was always the kind of whispers behind all of the Now it's above board, Like Zion Williamson, I don't know what he got a duke, but he got something right, Yeah, yeah, but you know these guys get money. It may not be from the school, the coach, but the shoe company. So it's here. It's been here

now at least it's above board. But five years down the road, I don't know what the goling salary is going to be. But a a star quarterback, you know he's gonna get a NFL like they're making more money when you factor that in, Alabama's quarterback Heisman Trophy winner made more than the previous quarterback at Alabama, Jalen Hurts playing in the NFL, So he makes more money at Alabama than Jalen Hurts does in the NFL. Crazy, But

that's the reality we have right now. And the fact that it's snuck up on all these chancellors and presidents and athletic directors is like mind boggling because it was there to see the final three questions. Okay, talking about quarterbacks, you mentioned Arch, there's not a lot of not a lot of Arch not just tape, but not a lot of Arch data. He's not competing against other quarterbacks at that high school level. He's not going to camps where

what do you see happening with Arch Manning. Well, that's a lot of hype. You know, Bryce Harper lived up to it. Lebron James lived up to it. There there have been players who live up to the hype, but as far as an NFL quarterback hype, boy, this is up there. I mean, this is bigger than Eli or even Peyton the hype living up to you know, Archie Manning at Old Us when he was up for the Heisman Trophy. I just wonder, can you be good enough

where people go? Man, he's everything we thought he was going to be, Like Tiger Woods was everything we thought he was going to be, and then some Serena Williams everything we thought and then some I don't know if Arch, because it's based off of the people around you. He's relying on that. Bryce Harper goes to the plate, it's Bryce Harper. Lebron James can have the ball in his hands. Tiger has a club in his hand. You know, Serena

has her tennis racket. Arch is gonna have to how good is his offensive line, how's goods his wide receivers like those? Is his defense any good to stop anybody? Those are the things that you have to factor in it. And I wonder if you'll be able to live up to that hype. I doubt it because that hype is so much, so big. You mentioned the word source. How hard is it to have a source that's telling you something but you can't say it, and you almost have

to act like you don't know it. For the most part, I don't want to know if I can't use it. I say that too, And I'm fortunate having been in this business for almost forty years. You meet people that you trust because you can go back to them or they'll come. They'll they'll let you know if you're right or wrong on something. But I I don't want to know something that I can't even hint at because then I'm not being Then it's gossipy and I don't want to do that. But it is a tough situation to

be in. Sometimes if somebody goes, hey, you can't use it, I don't, then don't tell me because I don't want to know. But when they're like, you didn't get it from me, which is different, but sources can be tricky. Last question, and this has really been a treat for me, way more for so for you. And I'm sure you've rated this and given it a low grade what you do. And as soon as you said that, I'm like, god, dang, And now I am going to actually feel like I

bean critique during the interview. I didn't feel like that going in. But final question is, uh, you know, I'm about to go through a big contract negotiation here with a right so you know, and it's it's it's it's quite the monster. I'm not gonna lie to you. What's what's the What am I? What am I not knowing to ask for? What is it you don't have? I don't know. I'm pretty good. Yes, I always look at it this way. I love for fifteen years being at ESPN and I could have gotten jobs outside of it,

but I loved what I was doing. But you can't tell them that you love it so much that you don't factor in what you're worth outside of what you're doing. If that makes sense that, hey, on the open market, what would I be worth? Take care of me here? And I always took less, but I didn't have any I didn't want to do anything else. So do what you love. And it's really hard to find that because if you let money be the carrot that's in front of you, you'll always chase it and you'll never be satisfied.

But if you have people you like you've got, you know, they make sure that the people who are surrounding you are good people, fun people. I love seeing my guys every single day. We just laugh. I mean, you're serious when you need to be, but we have fun. I enjoy them. And it's twenty years for some of these guys. But I think that's the moment you know that you've

got to kind of go. And if you say to your wife, what do you think, because sometimes it's my wife is the smartest person, and you know, you get somebody on the outside kind of looking at all this because we get too close to the sun and you don't want to be icarous here and you know, go down in flame. So do what you love as long as you can do it, or you can just take a shipload of money and then running with it. But yeah,

I was hoping for like airplane. That's I'm just massive fan, just massive, And thank you for your time and um you know that's all. And I know you've got a busy day of head so thank you very much. And one day, hopefully I hope I can touch you soon.

I would Uh yeah, I hope we crossed paths. Congratulations on all your success, and I think that it's not by accident, you know, but I think that that's important as you move move forward, don't forget the kid from a small town in Arkansas, because stay in humble, because this business will bite you in the ass quickly. Thank you, Dan, have a good day. Thank you, Bobby. Alright, awesome to have Dan Patrick on you guys. Follow us at twenty

five whistles Instagram. We got like five pictures up. I hate going to an Instagram page whe they don't have the even the thing covered, it's still white under some of the pictures. Yeah, you feel like a loser, Like who would follow that? And I'm like, please follow us. Uh. So that's a story I will share with you guys, and you can tell me if I'm a weirdo or not. And I want to pull up exactly what I got here.

But there was an estate sale from a former Arkansas and Adam, you're almost eliminated from this because of your bias. There was an estate sale from a former Arkansas UH sportscaster, like probably the most famous in my life. He died years ago in a car car wreck, as Paul Eels. He died, and so his I guess why his family they auctioned off a bunch of his stuff, and so I just told about it. So I went over to it. How about all kinds of stuff? Oh my gosh, Mike,

did you just laugh at that? I bought all kinds of stuff like Paul El's estate sale? Um, what do you mean? How? I'm like, how much stuff did you buy? Well? I bought like a couple in the box still Arkansas razorback cheerleader barbies. Are you serious? Like what are you gonna do with this? I don't know, but I was like one it's Paul Els doing I don't know. And for that, somebody started bidding against me, and so I started getting competitive bucks on there's two barbies. I'm not

saying Granny and Sheridan is piste. So that happened. I bought like some old cool Here we go, let's see what I got here. Please log into your account below. Hopefully it'll just show me what all I bought and this will be easy. I bought like some old signs stuff by nobody that's super cool to any buddy but me. Um, Like, I bought a Houston Nuts signed football who was fired as the coach. That was cool. Yeah. I bought some old sweatshirts. They're like extra two x large. Will you

wear them? Nightgowns? Yeah? There you go. Yeah, so I bought like seven things. Is it weird that I went through a Sportscasters estate sale and bought a bunch of Razorbacks stuff? Kickoff, Kevin, No, I mean some of the stuff that you bought, for sure, like the Barbie's maybe a little weird questionable, But going or buying stuff from the state sale, No, I mean that's something that you, as you said your childhood growing up. He was a big impact in your childhood and your big sports fan,

big Arkansas fans, so totally normal. I bought the football Fever package, a bunch of sign crap. I bought the forty minutes nineties sweatshirts forty minutes of hell. They were extra extra large. I'm not gonna wear that. I don't know what that means. It's fort hell. Nolan Richardson's basketball they play the full court pressed the whole time. The whole game, they would just run people off the court. I bought the two. Yeah, it makes her a good

story if nothing else. He died. I bought it. I should get it in the next few days, and I think it's pretty cool. Most importantly, what does your wife think about all this? And her, well, I didn't tell her already bought it all and it was already on the way because I did tell her, But in her response was why what are you gonna do with it? And I was like, I just want to have it, and she was like okay, and so I I had.

And she said, look, if I didn't know you were so responsible with the money, I would go, why are you buying that? You just wasted money? She was I know you're responsible, but I also know you're extra rabbid, and that's just what I deal with every day. So I will bring it in and let you guys know. Imnbe let you touch some of us. Okay, cool, I

want to touch the barbies. One final one here Costco selling individual game football tickets in South Carolina where you can go through Costco and they have boxes and it's like buy individual game tickets, which I was pretty legit because it's like, hey, buy individual game ticket. Usually you're like, I don't know if you have a casual fan, I can get my phone out of there. But if you're going through their inner package at Costco and you're in South Carolina and you're like, oh, I like to go

to this game, it's tangible, you can buy it. That's pretty cool. People were giving a crap, but that was brilliant. So if you're in South Carolina, would go a game called game and they may actually be pretty good this year. We shall see. They played well last year. At the end of the year, they have a good coach. We'll Spencer Relligan a really good quarterback. Regardless of what happened, he's still a really good quarterback. We'll see what happens

in that system. Um So those are those two. We're gonna get to the Sam Pittman interview. Now, we didn't talk a lot about Arkansas specifically, but he is the head football coach the Unversity of Arkansas and it's awesome to have him on. So here it is my interview with Sam Pittman, coach. How are you man? I'm doing great. Hey, I've been good. You know, I've been trying to catch

some practice reports. Like at this point before the season starts, as you guys are in camp, are you more nervous excited? Are you always thinking football now? Is there a switch that flips on? Yeah, I'm really excited about the progress of guys from spring Bold and out. I'm really excited to see the new guys, you know, the ones that weren't here. Uh there's only four of them, but you know, the guys that weren't here, Uh, see them participate, see

how good they are, see them grow. But yeah, there's a big time excitement around Fatteville and certainly in our building and through our players about you know, the season. I'm not gonna ask you to name anybody, but it's always coming out of high school into college. Heck, just as a student, it's overwhelming much less you're seventeen than you go eighteen years old and now you're you know,

competing for a spot against year old. Any of these freshmen in your time that come in, they're very had heralded and they get there and they're like, I don't know what's happening. Like these guys are all bigger and faster. Yeah, it happens all the time. But you know, you can wear yourself out anxiety wise. The first day we went out to practice, there's a hundred fifteen heatd index. It's a hot out there. But you you combine that with a new guy that has an anxiety, Uh, they're all

over the place. The next day it was one twelve heat into x but they were much better. Uh. You know, so anxiety that's a little bit Bobby about going over into the stadium on a Saturday. You're gonna have a lot of anxiety if you're not prepared or you don't know. Uh. If you are prepared and you know and and you've taken the I hope we win to I know we're gonna win because I'm prepared in this I think you play a lot better. So these kids that come in,

we didn't put a whole lot of value into day one. Uh, day two, a little bit more, Day three, and of course the day will be our fourth practice. If a hundred four star freshman come in, let's play with me here, a hundred four star freshman come in, how many of them will actually have the one be physically and mentally ready to play game one in our league? Ten? Maybe you know, maybe maybe fifteen, not not more than that.

I wouldn't think now play play start start play probably ten play play probably uh you know, some type of special team or something like that, maybe thirty five or for in your history of coaching, and it could be at any level. Can you remember a freshman that came in and you're like, oh, this guy's immediately ready to play, and then he immediately played and was awesome. Andrew Thomas. Andrew Thomas was a tackle out of Georgia who I knew he was going to start in our top five

fast early. Uh, not necessarily office high school take Bobby, but when he got to campus. Uh he started at right tackle, first game of the year, played three years, fourth pick in the draft. Yeah, that one I that when I knew what is the coolest thing about being a d one coach? That a head coach that you did not know meaning you've coached a lot of places for a lot of time and done a lot of great things, but you still didn't know blank whenever you

became the head coach. Verse of parkinsas how awesome going into the locker room is after you beat somebody that named, somebody's got a name, somebody's got a good football team. How many employees that there is in the building. You know that those things were surprising to me, But the awesome part of it was going in and seeing the kid's face after you win a big game. It's incredible, priceless,

can put a value on it, It's really cool. So for me, as I was, you know, rising up whatever ranks, I started to learn that the higher I got, it really was I wasn't doing all the little things as much. I was kind of uh doing big things and watching over people that I trusted to do the little things, um not less important things, but just more of the things. Was that an adjustment for you being the head coach is not being so super involved daily in schemes and

game plans. I trade our coaches exactly like I wanted to be traded as an assistant. You know, I've got a title. When I was assistant, I wanted to, uh make sure that I did what I was supposed to do. I wanted the coach to think I was the best coach, best recruiter on his staff, most loyal guy. So I treat those guys like that until you know possible they give me a reason not to. But I loved my staff. I've got a really good staff. And and I visit with him. You know, you can really have anxiety over

if somebody doesn't talk to you. You know, well, what's he think of me? Am I doing a good job. I let him know. Uh. Visit with the guys all the time. I want them to be as comfortable as they possibly can be, because I want them to to coach out of confidence and not out of nervousness, if

that makes sense. When you go into a season like this season, where you've had two seasons in a row where you know there's been a different feeling about the team, obviously you're one, You're the first time head coach, not a lot of expectation, um and you know It was a weird year anyway with with COVID and last year, Uh,

we overperformed a lot of folks expectation. Now here we are, we're going to do it again and there are now real expectations put on you, put on the razorbacks, put on the state of Arkansas, Like do you still have to find like dig through and find somebody disrespecting you to go look at this? They still don't think or do you just reposition on how to motivate these kids? Well, you know our expectations and I'm not lying here, not stretching the truth at all. Our expectations have been high

ever since we walked in the building. I mean they really had and uh so that that's been a big deal for us. Uh. If I see Bobby, honestly, if I see uh ranking that has us ranked fifteen and one that has us not ranked, I'm gonna talk to the team about the not ranked one. I mean, I'm not I am, I'm I We're underdog, you know, a blue chip, hard working group of guys, and I want to I'm gonna find every reason for us to stay that way in the public eye and and until I guess,

until you've got ranked number one. You know, you you would have that ability to put a chip on the guy's shoulder, and that's that's I like to do that. I think that's who we are and we thrive on that. Has fame been weird for you? Yeah? It really as I get um um um. A lot of times you

may or may not feel the same way. But a lot of times people come up they want to touch you, autograph pictures, whatever that is, and I'm almost every time I'm going, I wonder why they want to do that, you know, But I also know that when I want to meet somebody that I I either walk away going, man, that guy's a jerk, or man that he's really what I thought he would be. And I always wanted to walk away from me with the feeling that, hey, this

is what who I thought this guy would be. I mean, in Arkansas, you are wildly famous because the team is in an upper trajectory and we feel like that's gonna happen for a long time. Obviously, we love you very much, um but with that, there is everybody watching you everywhere you go. Now, what's cool about the level of fame that you have, at least I think is you could probably go to uh, San Diego and everybody's pretty chill, and you get to live more of a normal vacation

life because nobody's hassling Coach Pittman from the razorback. Is that true? Yeah, that's true. I mean, um, here in the state though, you know, I have a home on Lake Hamilton's and I can get away somewhat, but not not much. Of course, when we put the hall out there on the lake kind of told where we lived, you know. But um, I'm very very grateful for that,

I really am. I never get discouraged or frustrated with people coming up and saying hello, because I'm very honored that they want to meet me or be around me or whatever that case. Maybe how often do you eat then you find out someone's already paid your tab? Man, It's happened quite a bit, you know, I mean it really has. And and some people aren't even at the restaurant that you know, somebody will call us, say, Coach Pittman, Jamie's here and there. They hadn't even been at the restaurant.

They paid for it, which, by the way, is awesome. Which other head coach in the SEC would you say, as your your bff. If you had to pick one, Kirby Kirby Smart, you know, that's that's the guy that has really taught me a lot when I was there. He's loyal to me as I am him. But he's a guy that that would be my my friend, my best friend. In in coaching, is there a text thread of like the cool SEC coaches and you guys have leave a couple of guys out. That's what I do.

That's so awesome. Uh you know you probably you know, hopefully I'm not the one they want to leave out of it, but uh yeah, that is awesome. There there are days when you know, if you had that text fread though, you'd add a guy back into it, take another guy at this guy, take another guy out. But uh no, there's not one of those. But certainly I think everybody at some point in time would take a

guy out and leave him out for a while. Is it true that if your buddies with somebody and I'm sure you have a lot of let peer coaches in the SEC, that you guys will not communicate the week over the week before if you're playing each other or or you find either way, there's a lot of truth to that. You know, um, you know Meil Tucker was at at Georgia, Shane was at Georgia. Um, Dan Lanning was at Georgia. You know, I think if we played, of course we played, shipped Baemer's team to South Carolina.

But I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference. Uh. You know what, it depends on how close you are. If you're real close to him, you probably don't mind talking to him. If you send me close to him and you probably you probably won't talk to him the week of the game. Have you ever played Madden? Because I wonder if you played Madden, and let's say you didn't actually use the controller, but you just like someone played for you, but you told him what plays the call,

what defense is to run. Do you think you can watch somebody play Madden and dominate them just based off of what you do as a head coach? No? I mean, now, Barry Might and Kendall Might. It's got Fountain Might on the punt when they need the punt. But I wouldn't know if it was coaching old line, I'd probably be okay and all that, but no, I wouldn't be able to do that. That would be the worst video game ever. Coaching old line. I don't think man's gonna put that in.

It wouldn't sell many, would it. How often are the state troopers with you when you're traveling around the state. Is that just game day or is that all the time? Well, they take me to Catfish Hole on Wednesday nights, and uh, I don't know why. There's it's not dangerous at the Catfish Old, I can promise you. Uh, But then there with me on Friday and all through, all through until we get back home after the game more. Uh, you know,

traveling back on a road game. So I've I've met your lovely wife a couple of times and yeah, thank you, and you've met my life and man, you know at yeah, thank you, thank you. I take that as a compliment, thank you. Yeah, it's okay. Um. So I guess my with my wife, I am constantly trying to make sure and I do not do a good job of it of having balance, meaning I have to remember to try

to folk even though she's so supportive. I have to remember to focus and make sure that I'm not just using my my opic view of only my life and my careers when it's football season. Is there a different understanding in your relationship. Yeah, it has been for thirty six years. The only thing, Bobby, what I've done for a long long time is Jamie and I go on to date night every Thursday during the season, and we kind of look forward to that now because since I've

gotten a head coaching job. Wednesday night is also she goes with me to the catfish Hole. But third day night we do something. It may be at home, but it's it's considered a day night, or maybe we get a private room somewhere and go go out on Thursday night. But um, I try to include her and as much as I possibly can because she's so important to me. But she's also important to how I feel and my daily you know, the way I walk and talk and things of that nature. She helps him with all that

has for thirty six years. I hope I'm good at I'm conscious to be good at that coach. Final four questions I have here for you, and I'm gonna start with the n I l um, do you feel like it's advantageous to you that you started to be a head coach right as this was happening, and you weren't someone who's been head coaching that had to completely adjust whenever, like being born at the same time this was born. Do you feel like that was good for you. I

don't think it hurt me. You know, you know change. Guys have been doing something and you just said it. Basically, guys have been doing something for a long time. You know, you either fight change or you go with change and try to find out how you can make it to your advantage. I'm a guy that when change happens, I'm trying to make an advantage out of it and not

be graping about the change. It might be harder if I was a head coach for twenty years and I liked what I had, But um, right now, the rules a rule, and then you try to go see how it can be advantageous to your program. And that's how I feel about it. Do you feel like players are acting different because the n I l I think they're thinking different. Um, I don't know acting, but they are

thinking different because you know, recruiting and also your own team. Uh, you have a lot more conversations about the name im and lightness than the math class or the you know, you miss study table, things of that nature. They want to talk about n I L and I want to talk about graduation more. Let's talk about parents. Um. And right, you're talking about graduation. I'm sure that's a big part in recruiting. We're talking to the parents of the grandparents

or whomever the central figures are. Um. I get a lot of parents that asked me like, Hey, I got a kid that's really good at football. How do I get a coach to see a tape if they can't get to a camp or they can't get to some of the things like how does someone highlight their kid if they think their kid is really good? Well, first of all, I think that's the head coaches job, you know, their school. Uh. The other thing, there's not a social

media how about that that's the answer. Get it out on Twitter, get it out on the Instagram, TikTok, whatever it may be. UM. But for right now, with huddle the way it is and our coaches being able to go out twice in the spring, Uh, you know, there's not many unturned stones in recruiting. But how they can do that is if they can't get to camp is get tape and have have the coach promote them and have themselves promote them on on Twitter, on on social media. Yeah,

I feel like I was really missed there. I didn't get to the camps, so I feel like I was really just kind of pass app and what social media was? That's right? No, barely my space? You know? Off that alright? Two final questions for you, favorite TV show, movie and song ever in your whole life? You got movie, TV show host? Gun would be movie? Uh uh what? What? What was TV TV show ever? Oh? Man, Gilligan's Island loved Maryann and and uh figured and the Skipper Really

I like Gilligan. I kept thinking he's going to get off the island too, man. They never did. And then uh, favorite song I'm gonna go currently, I like country on Uh Brian by look Brian right now. I mean I like it. It's got a lot of good cool meaning to it. Hit one ones that hit you in the heart. I like those kind of songs. All right, last one

for you, coach. I appreciate your time, but my wife being from Oklahoma, we we just spent the last four days over in Oklahoma and your Tulsa and um so, I I never liked the Sooners, but I'm having to adjust to not hating the Sooners, and that is an adjustment. Um. And so I am actually very excited about them being in the conference because that's just more games that I get to go to. So I is when they're probably in?

Do you I'm I'm not going to ask you to speculate a year or anything, but do you think it'll be sooner than that? Right now we're told, Bobby they'll come in. Um. Do I think there's a possibility of it? Yes, I do, UM, But right now I think the SEC is pretty steadfast at you know, financially. Um. You know they're gonna be a big pay buy out by Texas and Oklahoma, and I'm assuming if they're willing to do that, and then it might speed up a little bit. But

right now we're coach, love you good luck. Uh. You know, this is a national show, so I'm not supposed to be biased, but I'm the most biased person in my whole life. I've at Arkansas helmet on my desk here. I mean that's on camera. So uh, let's get them. I'll see you soon, and thanks for your time, Coach. Appreciate the interview. Bobby, Thanks for your time. Go off all right, ending thoughts everybody has one sports take. I

don't care how trivial it is. This is your chance to say your opinion and funny, predictive, serious, doesn't have to be long. Um, we'll start with Adam Hambroke, Adam the new guy here to the room. What is your ending thoughts? Oh? Man, it lots being made on this coaches poll right now, and h is the SEC having a down year? I'm gonna go with no, Why what's

being made to the coaches pool? Uh? There's only five SEC teams ranked in the coaches poll, and I think that's you know, that's an opportunity for a lot of conferences say the SEC is not as good either, They're not gonna be as good. Um. A couple first year head coaches and all that stuff. Um, but what I think people are missing is like there might be a first year head coach at Florida, Um, but Florida is

still Florida is still gonna be loaded with talent. Uh. Tennessee has a has a fantastic quarterback, hen and Hooker, UM and L s U like L s US have Brian Kelly, and they all they always have talent. They probably will Saven went six and six this first year. Ryan Kelly is a great coach. This year, they'll suck, but but there's still when you have athletes on the field, like you never know what's gonna happen in a given

a weekend. I think they're all those question marks, and there's still all the talent L s u A in Florida and these other teams that aren't in the poll, Like, there's still gonna be opportunity for a lot of chaos and a lot of like, uh, you know, these teams are still gonna have high ceilings that maybe they could maybe they could reach, but they're also be probably inconsistent

all that stuff. But I think everything outside of Alabama and Georgia, obviously, everything is gonna be competitive every week and it's gonna be a really fun year to watch. And then you have teams like my Razor Backs coming on. Uh, they're gonna be tough, hard nosed, blue collar kind of teams. You got old miss Who's gonna they're gonna win football games. Kentucky's gonna win football games in South Carolina coming on, all that way below Alabama and Georgia all the way

down to maybe Vanderbilt in the Missouri. That middle is gonna be a really tough, tough road to home this year. I think it's gonna be as tough as it always is. So no, I don't think it's gonna be down here in the SEC. I think Kentucky can beat Georgia. I think they. I think they can. I don't think they wouldn't, But I think Kentucky can beat Georgia. I think Tennessee could possibly if the whole freaking world turns exactly right, they'd have a shot at it. But I think that's

a bit of an unfair headline. When I saw an article too, like I see down only five teams like teamine all I SEC teams like a moote votes getting um so uh and Christmas comes slow for kids, water is wet, and the SEC is overrated. That no, no, no, no, no, what what universal truths? If people say yeah, yes, not uh, let's go to Eddie, give me your ending thought or you're not gonna like this. And especially since two people picked the Bucks to win the whole thing this year,

look the Bucks. This is and I'm not being funny. The Bucks will start this season oh and four and it's gonna shock the world, there's oh my gosh, Tom Brady. The first four games, their first four games to start with the Cowboys. That's that's the lost is an automatical and a shocker. They're gonna play the Saints. They're gonna lose that one too, and then they go. I think they have a better shot to lose that one though than the first. I think because the Saints have owned

them the last couple of years. Too stupid, you don't blow it all stupid takes go ahead, and then week three they play the Packers, will lose that week before they play the Chiefs. I'm telling you, Owen four, their first win will be against the Falcons, and it's gonna have the NFL going, oh my gosh, what's going on with Tom Brady? This is crazy. I can see one in three probably probably if you're asking me too into.

I think Green Bay is gonna be interesting to Seaffle Zards, the number one righte receiver that they hope he is. I think to see who the I in Kansas City is. It's gonna catch balls on the outside from the homes is gonna be fine, somebody. It's gonna be somebody. My homes is too good. For there not to be somebody. It's like when Peyton Manning, it didn't matter who. It didn't matter if it was Eric Decker, it didn't matter. Peyton Manning made somebody a fantasy star because he just

had some UM. So that would be interesting. But I think they could be two and two or three and one. Yeah, I mean, I like how you're certain that they will. I'm not starting anything something. Uh, let's go to kick off, Kevin, your final ending thought, kickoff, Kevin. Alright. Clemson had what people called a down year last year. They still went ten and three. UM quarterback DJ Lui Ngo Lele. I'm pretty sure I said that right, and you killed that. That wasn't bad. Yeah, and uh, he was one of

the favorites coming in to win the Heisman. He had a down year as well. I think had ten interceptions and only nine touchdowns. But I think they bounced back this year because a CC is getting pretty weak, especially with Sam Hartman out for wake four is and I say he is the best sleeper bet for your money. He's at plus forty five hundred right now, so if you put your mind. I actually put twenty bucks on them this morning, that'll pay me nine hundred if you win,

so do it for me. That's interesting about Clemson because yes, everybody says they had a bad year down here, but they lost them early, but they were over in everybody's mind. They really played well for most of the year after that, they did have a down year Clemson standards. Also, they're not gonna they don't mess with the n I l Really that's a weird thing. They're not big. They don't do it at all. Yeah, they're just like they're probably who knows, but I think I think that's actually a

great pick on that. Plus yeah, I mean it's I mean, he's rich. Most tattoos, somebody, Mike, what you got final one? I think the fate of the Razorbacks depends on what you do with the stuff you got from the Estates Thill, meaning that if you take it and actually do something with it, they'll be great. If not, it's gonna be a bad season. They're all gonna sit in your room. Right What about to do? Why did you buy it? I'm not gonna do anything with it. I don't anybody

else to have it. I wanted to. I wanted to be taken care of very much, so all right, uh, and then my final take is going to be I think that if Old Miss finish his second in the West, and I hate to say that, I think Lane Kiffin is a real candidate for Coach of the Year because the media loves them, and if Old Miss can be competitive with Alabama, I don't think they'll win the West. But if Old Miss, I think Lane Kiffin has a real shot because of their fat infatuation with him, and

he's on TikTok. Now he's kind of killing on TikTok a little bit, he is. I think that all kind of plays into it. I think Lane Kiffin doesn't happen with the national championship, but if he can win ten games, he could be the coach of the Year this year. Um, So we're gonna end this show. But before we do the whistle we I wanted to end on Skinnered simple Man, just because I like that intro. We can't because licensing issues. But like kind of version called what Mike complicated dude.

It sounds kind of like it but not really, but we have access to it, you know, it sounds like complicated dude. Okay, here we go. This is what When I do my final thing here. Mike's gonna play complicated dude from now on. Go ahead, it does sound good. Yeah, yeah, hey, thanks,

it's our first episode. The credits will come up in a second, and usually I'll do my ending thought over this, but I and now I get to choose we had the best show, the first first day, best show, and they get to blow the whistle, and that'll be the first whistle out. Um, Mike didn't have a mascot. Is a tough game to play. So he's doing a stretch, so he's out. Uh, Kevin, solid job today. You still end than I kind of kicked out him out of a segments got a little too Arkansas way, So sometimes

things happen. It's aboutam you're gonna be eliminated from this, uh, Eddie, Yeah, you're looking at great. Great by the way, go listen to The Sore Losers are on Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays on They're on the Nashville Podcast Network with us. They're like our cousins, except it's like a cross over episode. You're like Urcle on full House Eddie. Yeah, I just pop in sometimes I won a full house did Yeah, pretty good episode, Eddie. Also setting up the studio for

the first thank you. I'm getting my whistle ready. Yeah, but in the end, I give it to me. I performed the best. Yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you what. We'll put it to a vote between three that didn't win. Mike. Who is it, Eddie or Kevin. I'm going with Eddie, Adam, I'm gonna go Kevin. I'm gonna go with Kevin too, first time on. Kevin's been a big part of this show. This is our first whistle twenty four more to go, Kevin.

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