#135 - Maddie + Tae

but I am a woman. I don't know. It's just well, for example, our bus driver we had like a pill and bus driver to do like a co drive last night to get us back, and he called us kids and I was like, oh, I'm a twenty year old woman. I'm not a I do care. I don't want to call it a kid, call a kid. He was like, oh, how old are you? I'm like, not kid age, but thanks for making me feel ladies girls, women. But I would imagine he says fifties. If I'm just guessing bus driver,

he probably has a kid. May be so, so I would think if you have kids and they're the same age as someone, you probably see them as the kid. Listen, I don't know your bus drivers, but I'll tell you what's expensive is haven't have to bus drivers. Yeah, So what happens is I'll explain it to people because I have to. We have take buses out all the time. So if you drive over whatever the law is, let's

say it's nine that seems reasonable. Yeah, if you have to drive over nine hours, you have to have to bus drivers or the bus drivers to pull over and sleep for a certain amount of time. Right, So which which is a nightmare. Both scenarios a nightmare. Right, It's just expensive either way to bus drivers. And when you're rolling, I mean we're rolling twelve deep on a twelve bunk bus with the code driver, so it's yeah, like it's not cramped. It's always weird with the second bus driver too,

because you don't know them everybody. And that was the guy I was talking about. Yeah, yes, so he was the like touch sport, Like, no, this is weird. Like we own a company and we're like running this whole thing, and kid just feels really weird to me. People will still call me kid though, too, if they're older, if they're like six, they'd be like, hey, you're just a kid. But it just has to because they have kids the same. Yeah, probably, I don't see. I would never say kids to YouTube,

right because I would say you're more like little sister age. Well, he thought we were kids, like he because whenever I was like, oh, hi, how are you, He's like, how are you kids doing or something? And I was like, oh, we're good, but I mean we're not kids, and he's like, really, how old are you? And I told him. I swear he probably thought we were like seventeen or something. I'm like things because I'm getting wrinkly already. And let me

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the paper and stare it down. It's funny how there are things that I guess we take for granted. For example, I'm in that studio every morning and people will come and watch us, and I'll be like, oh, this is so cool, But to me, that's every day. Yeah. The

same thing with you guys. You know you're talking about your bus driver there are parts of the touring life that I don't think people have any idea like what the only because I only know because I had to start touring with the band and we started playing and I was like, oh wow, this is a real thing. Like sound checks for example, right, which is when you go up and make sure that all the stuff works, all the guitars, the drums, Like that's a pretty grueling thing,

like a sound check. Every day show, do you guys go do you go to your sound check? If we can't, you're allowed to sometimes. Well, recently it's been a lot of like open sound checks, meaning the venue is open to the public and so we aren't able to go out yet, but we prefer to sound check because we lack when our stuff sounds good. What do you mean so they open it up. Yeah, so it's open to the public. So festival, you can't really like close it off. The crowd just kind of post it up since ten

am or something. Yeah, so you really don't want to go out because it kind of you don't want to play your songs at three p m. And we look crusty, You're not all cute and done like that's just like it's just like the like Wizard of Oz thing where you think something so cool and then you feel back there, you know, So if we want to keep it a mystery, I think inter ears are a thing that people that until you do it. You know. When I was mentoring an American Idolas Hapen to talk to the kids about

things like inter ears, that's so much fun. You look like you're having a blast on there. They edited me good. But I mean I feel like that was such a good like you know how it is, and they did a great job of editing. Yeah, they really did. I just did what I do. I don't think that's what that's what you should do. But I was talking to them about things like inter ears. That's like the mentoring thing that would be like, hey, so here's what's gonna happen.

You put these First of all, they put this gel in your ear. It's the worst. Talk about that for a second. It is so uncomfortable. I remember being so self conscious about how much ear wax that was going to have. But is that and that does no one else think about that? But I was there was just like, oh my gosh, we're gonna say I have so much ear wax? And then viously they're like it's moderate, but

still I was so self conscious. I was just nerves. Okay, so this is so like first world problems, Like this is not anything bad at all, but it's just like nerve racking. These like an eer things. Were basically trying to explain it to everyone that doesn't tour, but which most people. Most people, Yeah, we're very very lucky individuals

that we all get to do it. But um, so, basically, it's these little like headphone thingies that go in your ear, but they're molded to your ear so they fit perfectly and you can hear everything and you know, so you can sound great here everyone on stage. So you go to the doctor this I mean it feels like a doctor like this ear person. Yeah, and you have to move your jaw around and whatnot. Yes, And I think

that's why I had so like anxiety. And it's like if you're getting your ears peers for the first time or a tattoo for the first time. You don't know what to expect, so you're like, is this going to hurt? It's basically they shoot this like jelly stuff into your ear, so it's like you feel like you're underwater and you just have to sit there for like ten minutes while it hardens, and it's the weirdest. It's very hard to explain, but it's very uncomfortable. I was just like, oh, this

is not something I don't want to do again. Even putting the ears in. When you put them in the first, well, they sell your ear first of all, where you're supposed to really not hear much happening around you. But the first time you go on stage and your ears are sealed, it's weird because you're used to hearing the crowd, right and just hearing it back to a speaker, so you can hear the crowd, but when you put the ears in,

you really can't hear the crowd. I remember the very first time I ever used my inn ears, and it's probably the same show as you. We played, yeah, but yeah, but it was some like CMT football kickoff thing. I don't really know, but it was some live television, yeah, and it was our first time ever using our inn ear. So imagine that it's a big performance and then you have something new informs exactly and it's just it changes your world because, like you said, it's sealed, it's you

don't hear anything. You can't hear anything. It's all just basically in your head and it takes a minute to get used to so I remember, like what is going on? Or it's like you think the crowd is not into it at all because you can't hear, and then you take one out and you're like, wait, everyone's really excited,

Like it's just yeah. So we have these little things called I'm sure y'all have, like the crowd mics, where you haven't pointed to the crowd so you can hear them, and sometimes I be able to say the craziest stuff. I'm like, dude, we have a microphone on you. You can't be saying crazy stuff like that. I can hear you. They were just halfway through a set when they yelled girl on a count your song. We're like, we have more songs in that. Obviously you're going to play it.

It's like, yeah, yeah, hold on, we're going to play it. Yeah. The thing about the crowd mix is weird is it's always a split second delayed. Yes, oh yeah, so like clapping and so you really you can't get really started play under rhythm with their class because those microphones that are able to hear the crowd are a quarter of a second behind, so it does. But that's one of

those things. And I tell my audience all the time, if you see someone with the thing hanging out of their ear, it's because they want to hear the crowd, so they have one ear out or yeah, which tay Is had issues with hers like three weeks where it connects the chord in my ear. Something's messed up. I don't know. She's so chill. She's like, we're like about to get on stage, into tracks going, and she's like, yeah, I don't have any ears, and I would have been like, oh,

I have my ears, like freaking out. And she's just like, hey, I'm just gonna do a show without an ear, and you know, and we're a harmony band, so she needs to hear what's going on and both of us need to hear each other for this to work. And she's like, oh, yeah, I'll just do it with that one ear, and I'm like, oh,

heck no, I would be freaking out. I was still before and then after getting off stage, and because when you when you only put one ear in and listen to an entire sixty seventy five minutes set with one ear turned up, you come off stage and you can't hear anything out of that ere. So I was like, and if you're doing that again, if you're blaring music like on your phone, like you have your headphones in and you only have one headphone on like your other

ear is like, Oh, what is going on? It's just funky? What is something that you guys wish you were asked about more? Because I do a lot of interviews where I get to interview people, but I'm on the other side too, We're right, so I actually get to see both sides of it sometimes. Question I said, and I had to do this book tour, and you know, you would do thirty in a row and everyone would come with the same easy question that was fed to them, you know, like what inspired you? Yeah, But and I

understood it because I've been on that side. So I'm on both sides. But I wonder as artists, like what do you wish that people would ask you about more? M hmmm, um, good question, And no one ever asks us that I do wish, Um, you mean fans or interviewers an interview, you wish that you could talk about what more? Well, I know something that I frequently asked people who I'm you know, inspired by, is what inspired this specific song? Do you remember the moment? Do you

remember the emotion? We don't get that specific question often by fans necessarily, Yeah, so I but I always ask that. So I guess that's what I would like to be asked. You would like to be asked about what specifically inspired a piece of something. Yeah, we voluntarily say it anyways when ever we're talking about the music, but we'd hardly ever get I like the like artsy fartsier stuff, you

know what I mean. Like. But also something that I do love about you two is you don't really throw softballs in interviews, like you will go right to the core or like the deeper stuff because I think jam heart to heart, oh man, that is like that is my favorite thing about interviews, Like when you can get like really deep and vulnerable and like talk about the great stuff, the bad stuff, that everything in between. That's

my favorite. I wondered because you guys kind of went away for a bit, and I've talked to you guys about this for a second. But whenever you when dot your old record company goes away, Yeah, and so then you don't have a record deal for a bit, and then you go away to also, right, right, that's the thing, right, you guys want to And I didn't see you guys until Dirk's party at his his bar, I I did a song, So that's the first time I've seen you

guys in a long time, was there? But when you go away after that, like, do you purposely try to stay out of public things? Is part of the mystique to hide as well? No, we we tried to wiggle our way into anything we could, which is why we started making YouTube videos and stuff like that, and um kind of started diving even more into clothing lines and you know, just trying to stay engaged. But our fans, we didn't really try to go away. It was just

like we weren't the cool kids anymore. So it was like no one to just be totally honest, it felt like no one cared what we were saying because there's a ton of other people that their voice is louder than ours right now, which is totally fine because there's times for everything, but um, you know, you don't want to force something if like if you're just not the cool kid on the street right now, then you will be you'll get there, but it's just not not your

street or not your time to be the cool kids. And contractually there was ninety days. I don't remember when the ninety days started, but it was ninety days between each record deal where we knew we were in talks with MG and we were having meetings and we knew that something was to start rolling, but we weren't allowed to say anything. So we went to a c M S to a c M. S Ago, having all of this knowledge of exciting stuff about tappen, but you couldn't

say anything. So it was torture. And that's how we got the same publicist because Green Room Um actually covered our butts. So I mean, we're so grateful for them because we had no label, no publicists, no nothing, red carpet. Yeah, and they're like, so what are y'all doing? We're like, one thing we're not allowed to talk about and the

other thing is like out of our control. So you were telling the interviewers that because no one So okay, let's let's explain what a publicists this is fun, because yeah, I mean, this is what we do here is we kind of talk about things and we take for granted because we're so in it, but even my friends on our publicists, cause unless you have to have one, you just don't know what a publicist done, right, right, So, Taylor,

what's a publicist? A publicist is somebody who takes care of the media aspect and kind of sets up interviews and set up like press and promotion. So, for example, whenever we release our record hopefully coming soon, our publicist will set up interviews to kind of talk about the record and set up um late night appearing, late night appearances, just things that we can be doing to promote the record. And yeah, the media stuff or see online if you

say something bad or something doesn't go right. I've had to cover me a few times, so oh yeah, yeah, and a couple of times we have been to save me from things that never came out. I have done that many of times. But you did what no one's having to save you. Yeah. I haven't offended anyone, but I've said I've put my foot in my mouth like so many times. But it just kind of like slid under, which was good. Mine was, Like I would say, it actually happened about ten years ago, but the story came

out last year, so but maybe not. Maybe seven years ago, whenever Twitter were starting to be a thing, I go, oh, you can buy Twitter of followers, and so I bought five thousand Twitter followers, and so I forgot about it, go buy and all of a sudden, the New York Time just calling my phone and I'm going, what what are they calling? They did this humongous expose on people

who bought Twitter followers. I don't remember doing it first of all, and it was like kind of a joke, like it wasn't like, oh no, no, not only the joke. You know, I bought all my friends Twitter Twitter follower bombed them, meaning I would buy them and they'd wake up and go, why do I have five thousand more? I thought it was the funniest thing ever. Yeah, and

then everyone took it way too serious. People started to get suspended from their jobs, like they oh, yeah, they found all these high profile people that have bought a hundred thousand Twitter followers, half of them, and I'm going, I'm on the same story with people who bought Oh no, and even then, who cares? Yeah seriously though? So yeah, so but they the same group. We're like, okay, we're gonna hand so they handled that, and they were they were just kind of walking me through it, like because

I just want to talk about it. I wanted to go on the radio and be like, oh, yeah, I did this seven years ago. We went back and on the receipt about five thousand Twitter followered about like seven of my friends Twitter followers. But they were like, don't do it, and they kind of guided me through it. And then the story for the most part, kept me out of it because I wouldn't talk to them about it, right, But that's not how I was going to handle it. But I had to listen to the experts, totally lean

on people that know the best. Yeah, I know, we I mean, this isn't like anything bad, but um actually it's really great. But um. I was talking to Kirsten, our publicist, UM, just for people that don't know that we have the same one because we're saying names and people like who with that. But anyway, so I was telling her before I got engaged in May, I was like, hey me, and you know my boyfriend. You know at the time, what's the same boyfriend? But you know what

I mean? So wait, hang on, so we how do I explain this? So I was asking her because I kind of had a feeling that he may propose this year, not as soon as he did, but like this year, because we were talking about it and I was like, you know, what should we do if that happened? And she was like, okay, well this was what we'll do, and she's like, when we get there, we'll get there. Well after that conversation, he proposed like a week later, and I was like, okay, well, we're engaged, so that

plan has to like, we gotta go now. So she was like, oh, okay, I didn't knows this soon, but we'll go like it they'll good. So they kind of guide those press releases and stuff. What's the thought then, and I think both of you guys are probably in different stages talk about this. Uh, Mannie will talk to you. So you get engaged, and so how how quickly do

you post a picture? Because you're a public person too, so there's kind of some strategy to the So what Jonah and I did was we okay, So we were going on vacation for our seven year anniversary in May at the end of May. So he proposed the night before we were leaving, and we both agreed. We were like, you know what, we want to go on our vacation and like not be blown up, Like I mean, it's

so exciting. But we just called our close friends like obviously FaceTime table right after it happened, but um, like our families and told that they already knew that it was going to happen, so it was really just me telling them. But um, so we kept it secret for like a whole week, maybe a week and a half actually, because we wanted to go on vacation and not be

on our phones and be present. And then um, after vacation, we flew to Houston, where I'm from, and my sister was graduating high school, so it was like we had a graduation thing and then we had an engagement party with our family and then you got to do a photo shoot. Yes, so we like pictures of the ring. Yeah, so his cousin is a photographer, and basically we're like, hey, if you'll get some pictures for us, we'll just you know,

do that and then just do a big announcement. But it was kind of fun keeping it secret for a little while. Not that it's anything to be secret, but it was just nice to have that. Yeah, like moment just for us us. You should, you should. How long did you have to keep that under wraps from the minute it happened until you put it on Instagram? How

long was that? Yeah? Yeah, a little over a week, Yeah, something like that, because I was ready to post a picture, like if we get this roll in, because I'm a picture of my cash and okay, okay, so you're not engaged, but you do post pictures of your boyfriend. So that's a thing too, when you decide to finally post a picture of your significant other. That's something that I feel like a lot of artists kind of have to well

think about, like pre posting. I don't know if you're the same way, but for me being in a semi public relationship years ago, I know the consequences and the negatives of what it's like whenever it's no longer a relationship and then it's private and people think that they know more than they do, and then that's fine, but then you kind of want to take it all back, but you can't because it's out there. So I feel

like it's it's a bit of a risk. But like with our music, it's a risk whenever we share our heart in our songs, so' she just took a minute like, oh yeah, she had many, many discussions with Mattie. I was like, I don't know, maybe allway, like a year after we've been dating, and then oh, y'all are like that. But such a great relationship and I'm happy and my fans deserve to know that I'm happy, and they deserve

to know where my heart's at. So do you say his name josh I mean I know, yes, Joshua, Okay, Joshua, Joshua. So you do say his name? Yes? Okay? So but you waited how long until you put that up from when you started dating? Well, we kind of we did the dance the friends dance. Friends don't have plug plug you are literally friends. You and Josha Franks for a long time, well not a long time. So we met four years ago on radio tour and just knew of each other and but we had never written together until

October of last year or this year. Last year. It's not set this year, so it's two thousand seventeen we wrote for the first time, and he and I had both just gotten out of relationships. So we were just like, we're not going to do this. Um, we're hanging out in the same friend group, but like, let's each individually take our time to kind of do some soul searching.

And so then we kind of went back and forth, but we to each other, but I wasn't going to do anything about it, and so we went on our first date in December and then still kind of did the dance and then finally officially called each other put a label on it in March. But then, when when

do you put the picture up? Though I didn't put it up until right before a c m S because I knew that, yeah, right before a c MS in April, So it's like the second week of April, and I knew that we were about to get on a plane to Vegas with the whole town of Nashville and people were going to see and it didn't you wanted to beat it, yes, exactly before people spread such a weird thing because and I asked these questions because I've dealt with the same, not dealt with I've been lucky enough

to have great people that are public as well. So I've been into too public relationships and you learn that they have lives too, and people what they see, what people are saying, and I have grown my skin has grown stronger through the years from from from having people tell me I suck and awesome and all the things. But now they're getting into this world and they're being

subjected to it kind of just by association. And then they go to their page and they find them they can write, so you know, I have my first one, and I was like, oh, I'll learn from that. Then I you know, David Lindsay and then but it's weird because then people want to know. Since they see all the happy stuff, They're like, oh, well, now we should know all the really bad stuff. And I don't know that they're wrong. I'm gonna say this, I don't know that people are wrong. It's a weird place to be

because you're like, oh, it sucks for them. I think y'all handled it, or you and Lindsay because we were good friends with her too, like we love her. But um, I think that y'all handled it in like a super respectful way, like there was never or at least to my knowledge, there wasn't like any animosity and there we only had to split up because that's well, the other UM companies were penalizing her, so that was really the

just absolutely disgusting. Well, I just wouldn't have happened to a dude, because I know dude artists that dated female radio and it didn't happen. It's so funky. So I don't get that. Well, even the dating thing, like people get so mad that like we're if people find out that we're in a committable really yeah, it's like you have to seem available in sexy and oh yeah, confinitely,

why don't but people know? I will say. There was an observation made by our merch girl that was out on the road with us this past weekend, and she was watching the audience while Maddie was introducing Trying On Rings, which is a song about her and Jonah's love story. It's on the new record and we haven't heard yet. Yes, yes, so you're a plan I want to come back. Oh yeah,

we're giving the sneak peaks. So Maddie was introducing the song and the moment she said, I'm engaged in my house called sweetheart Sarah, our merch girl was watching a group of guys and they just apparently like threw their hands in the air and was pissed. I don't know him and high, and I'm like, why because you thought, like because she thought you had a chance. I don't know, well, not even that. It's just like, I'm not your property.

I'm saying, yeah, like, you bought a ticket to the show and we're going to entertain you and we're not have a great time, but don't make it weird. You can. Yeah, you can like our music without wanting to date it. Like I love Harry Styles so much, and if he ever got engaged or whatever, I would be like, that's great. I still love you a lot, and I think you are so handsome and so talented, but we're gonna leave it there. Yeah, he's so awesome. I saw him at

the rhyme and I was like, how did you go? Yeah, Jonah came with me too, and I just looked at it. I was like, he was one of the only guys in there. Actually, Gator Harrison was there, yes, with his daughter sitting right behind us, and he was like, oh, thank god, there's another dude here. It is a bit unfair to be a female in music, not just country music and all music. I mean, look at the dudes and they're not gonna care if I say this. But

I'm the prints with John Party. Yeah, he makes his shirts ironed, he puts his hat on, and he goes out and he plays this show. You guys mentioned that you gotta get all aside from the music part of it, which is even more so. There's just so many more steps that you have to go through as a female artist, and then on top of that, you don't even get the same I'll say fair look that the male artists get, because I'm never the guy that thinks there should be anything. Ever,

I think the best. I think, look, as long as everyone's gonna an equal look. It could be seventy thirty female to male, male to female. I don't care as long as people get the equal look. And I think people go, oh, Bobby is guy not at all? No, No, I think let's just look at things based on merit. More so than because I was talking to a female artist friend of mine and I know you guys are gonna relate to this, and she goes, oh, I can't, uh,

this label already has a female. And the fact that you have to go, oh, well, this label already has a female, so they can have another one that's somewhat all the dudes are the same. Yeah, why can't there be two people so they have a kind of a like set. We had to consider that when we moved, they were trying to put us, you know, and this is not to discredit our record label because we love them,

but in reality, you like, it is hard about it. Yeah, And it's so weird that there's only so many spots for females. But Ty and I always say, like, we we don't want to play softball, Like, don't pity us because we're women, Like, we want to play baseball with the boys, and best song wins and best artists wins, like don't care of your chick or a dude whatever it is, like the most town, and if it's not us, that's fair. But if there's not a fair look at everyone,

that's where it gets a little wonky. But I'm like, if everyone gets a fair shot and we don't, we're not you know, the winning ticket or whatever, that's fine. But as long as it's looked at, you get the chance to put your best foot forward. Yeah, totally tell me about this song, so you guys kind of come on and you do. Girl in a Country Song played a little bit Girl in the Country Song so do you guys still like the song? I do. It's I was trying to think about how many times we've played it,

Like it's only been four years. I mean, that's still a long time. But like I was like, I wonder how many times, Like I would be curious to know the number of thousands. With radio tour doing like three shows a day for a year and a half, we gotta be in that in the thousand brackets somehow easily a thousand, Yeah, I would think easily a thousand. But this song, so it was kind of a rocket ship

for you guys, at least from my side of it. It It was like and I kind of just started too, you know, I just moved from the world and I come over and I'm, you know, the guy that's and everybody hates me because I'm so different, and they're like ah, and I'm like, oh good, these girls are different too, And you guys come in and first of all, you're really good. But there's there's a novelty to this song

too at the same thing. And so but it was just like the videos like Splash, like here you are and yeah, I watched that video recently, like for the first time in years, and I was like, I haven't. We were some ballsy eighteen year old girls like whoa. I guess I did not realize how big of a deal this song was until like going through what we've been through the past couple of years, or I was like,

you know what, like this is not gonna happen. But if God forbid everything like just like fell apart or whatever, because I mean it has for us, you know, last year. But if all of that happened over again, at least like we said something like we said something that was important and needed to be said, and I would love to keep doing that obviously, but um, just watching that back, oh my gosh, like we were fearless? How did that happen? This song comes out though in this sense it's your

first song. Do you guys think that's normal? Like was that norm? Was it? Like? This is? Oh, this is how it's done. We have a song or a bit where you're like, whoa this is It's kind of hard to compare it to something that you've never had. Something else that was that was the issue, If I can say issue, it really wasn't an issue because it was a blessing and it got us to where we are now. But if there's anything the con to that was just being so green and almost like, I mean, we were

a baby artist. We like you said, we had nothing to compare it to, and so our whole team the entire time Girl was rising up the charts and doing all of these milestones. It was like they said, this isn't normal. You're not You're gonna have to work much much harder on your next single, and they were trying to warn us, but we still didn't have that experience in our in our back pocket to kind of draw from.

So for us in a way at the time, it was normal, which is crazy to think back and look at, like, I wish I would have had more experience so I could cherish those moments more and not just like like stop and smell the roses first. Like, even though it sounds so cliche, like I don't remember a lot of that because it was just like onto the next day, Okay, you did the Today's Show as your first full band show. Great, Okay,

let's go do it again. It found like it was just nuts and I'm like, I don't know how we did all that, but um, I'm kind of glad that we are so like green and like um, just and furious because we would do anything like now we know better, like don't play three shows in one day. You're gonna wear yourself out and it's gonna mess you up. Like don't do that, like you know, just stuff like that. Or don't fly from Orlando to New York back to Orlando in one day and do three shows. That's not

a good idea. Just just say no. Sometimes you have to say no to things. But I'm glad that it happened then, and it kind of gives us I don't know, it gives us perspective on like we have done this before. It's not going to be as easy this next go round. But it did it a little backwards. I sometimes I wish it was slipped, but it's okay. So that song did it hit one? Did? So it goes to number one? And what's the next single after that? Fly? Okay, So

Fly comes out and doesn't go number one. It was a number seven, but it impacted really well, which was kind of cool. We knew the the hardness of what was to come with that song too, and it was a ballad. Were in the summer. They're all these rules, but so this song comes out, I love you the song by the way about I'm only asking this backward, but it doesn't go number one. So you've had a number one, then you have one that doesn't go number one.

What do you think after that? I was really happy because people were The way I measured it personally was how people were singing back when we were on stage and they were singing fly and still do just as loud as girl. So to me that was a number one song, like maybe not on the charts, but form for our fans and for my spirit. I was like, we landed another one. This is a message song to message songs resonate, you know, and and ballad you can

actually listen to the words right now. I try to walk that line of I still try to be a consumer as much as I possibly can. And most people hear melody, that's all they hear in the song before

they Again. I have to remember this because I you know, I write comedy and I write song dumb songs and stuff, and I go, oh, the lyrics, they're they're very important, but most people hear the melody first and listen, I don't know exactly what you're saying, and so, but slower songs, people can actually hear the words and get the message to it, which is kind of a weird thing, and

that's also a strong message song. Yeah, and so um, Okay, so the Fly comes out, you're like, okay, cool, I didn't go number one, but we still loved it because people loved it. Okay, next song. Next song was shut Up Fish, shut him Fish. Yeah. By the way, I know all the answers to this, I'm just kind of walking you guys, I'm trying to think of the purpose of the order of singles. I know that the reason we put out Fly after Girl was because of, you know,

just the comments after releasing Girl. These girls are yeah, exactly their one. I wonder this is all they can do, This is all they can say that there will be nothing about this, And so we wanted to kind of prove our place in the industry and say, hey, no, like we can be deep too, as nineteen year old girls, we have depth to us. So that's why we released Fly, and that's why we were fine with it going top ten, because it's still made an impact and we were able

to show a different side of us. And so with Fish, Um, I feel like it kind of we kind of tried to go back two girl in a way, if that makes sense. Our team was still very new at DOT and so a newer team only been together a couple of years, and basically everyone was like, Hey, we already did this and this is close to this, so let's do it again. And the fourth single, which we pulled like super fast Sierra, Um, that was kind of the same situational, quirky and funny and yeah, and like it

was like the one trick pony thing. We're like, there's more on this record. But I mean, Sierra, I still love that song, but I'm personally glad add that that didn't work because it's about my actual high school bully and I did not want to out her like that, but that's kind I had to text her and be like, look, haven't heard for me in three years. We're not on great terms, but I just want to let you know

the song. She knew about the song because like it accidentally got leaked two weeks before I graduated because I sent it to a girl differently. Um, But basically, she was just the girl that every guy wanted, which is totally reasonable because she's beautiful, but just like, I mean, if she could make anyone feel smaller or just less than, she took that opportunity. And because she could, she's the hottest chicken school and every guy wants her and UM.

And so the girl that actually transferred high schools because of her UM I sent it to her and she was like, oh my gosh, I feel like I finally stood up to her and all this stuff. And then I was like, well, don't send this to any one. I'm about to move to Nashville and you can send it toever you want then, but first let me get out of town. And that didn't happen. So the whole school heard it, and she was like, you know, just Twitter ranting, like man, he's obsessed with me. That F

and B is all this stuff. So I was like, you're not gonna win again. So I pulled up in my truck at school and I went into my parking place and I turned the song up all the way up our little demo, and I just sat there and her little friend group was standing right there, and I was just looking at them, like, you're not gonna win. I wrote this song because you're mean to a lot

of That's what we call little Texas. Yeah, little Texas is this very feisty crazy, not crazy, but like you're just I will fight back, like I'm not I'm not a doormat. There's something to put in her name on the Yeah. I I came home crying so many times through junior high and high school because of her, and so I don't know, they've just felt like I felt empowered by like writing this song and hey Tara, yeah, yeah.

It worked perfect though, because she was in pageants. So the Tierra line like well, and her best friend in school was named Tierra literally her name. So let me share it. Let me share a story. When I wrote I wrote my wrote my first book. I had a story about an artist that I had really had a really miserable relationship with. It was just it was just not good okay country artists, and it was really bad. It wasn't And I wrote it and I was like

put it in, screw it, and put it out. So my manager Corn comes up to me and goes, hey, you should take this out of the book, And I said, why is that? Because you're really not gonna like the fact that in five years you might actually be friends with this person. You don't want there. You kind of just I don't want their name. You don't you don't want to put their their name name. He said, write it as a like, you know, somebody generic. Yeah, And so I took it out of the book and then

we later become really good friends. It's Kip kept so funny and the best thing here because because it was just a story about us getting into a fight once and Kevin I went to figured it all out, we're actually really good now and I'm so glad I didn't. I just wonder, like with you with the did you ever think maybe she didn't name it something else and not her specifically. I felt like there was a lot

of people that needed that song. And the minute that we started meeting having fans and meeting fans, and they started connecting with that song and telling me I have a Sierra, I have someone that you know. And I feel so much power with this song. And there are so many people that share their like bullying stories. And since the song is more like upbeat and fun, it kind of shines a lighter light on a really bad situation.

So I felt like we did the right thing by making it so personal, because I feel like sometimes when you do the softball thing and you do the generic, it may not connect as deep as the authentic thing. So I was willing to take the hit, and she when I messaged her and told her, she was like, no hard failings, like hope everything is good. Yeah, so I know, but you gotta think if someone wrote a song about how awful you were, you'd probably clean up your act, or at least I would. I would be like,

I have got to check my soul. I would be like if someone I heard double down, so okay, so that song, that song it gets pulled. I don't even know where that maybe, yeah, but that was that was the right Did the record label go down before the song was pulled? Like? What was the timing? It was like on the d L. Funky stuff was happening. I think after the song got pulled, yeah, because it was the very end of UM two thousand sixteen where I think it all started to the cookie started to crumble.

But we had no idea until uh, February of two thousand seventeen. So how does that conversation go when they pull you in and they say, hey, Maddie Tay, let's sit down for us. Do they call you in at the same time. Thankfully, our our manager did some little investigating and she was very close with the head of the label over there, so they were always in contact

and he would be straight up with her. And so I remember sitting down at Pinewood Social actually at the bar, and we were just having breakfast during CRS and she just kind of said, Hey, I think something is about to happen. We don't know what, but just just know this. Whatever happens, I promised, like, I'll take care of you. So so then they say, okay, the labels folding, Yeah, you don't have a record deal. What immediately happens in

you guys mind? I knew that it wasn't like over because Tay and I were in it to win it like there's this is not splitting no matter what BS goes down, um, And so I was like, you know what, Like I don't know, it was kind of fuzzy. Honestly, I tried to like numb it because it it felt really bad after going from like the top the world and then it's like, so what are y'all doing? How does it feel to not have a like label home?

It's like it feels terrible and you and you feel like you have nothing to show forth, and um, it's felt like that for the past year and a half. Honestly, it's like, because this industry, you're always trying to prove yourself. You're always trying to like not prove yourself, but like you're always wanting to. Like it's always onto the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. We don't have the next thing yet, obviously we have coming. Yeah, yeah.

And then we were in that like weird holding period, and that was where like, I don't know if you've experienced this, but I had a really bad issue with tying my self worth into what I did and not who I was. Absolutely I think we all do. If we really work hard at what if you give it everything, if it's your priority, it's hard for it not to be where you put your worth. I've struggle and I

still struggle with that every single day. It's a I mean even now, like we have a song out and things are a lot better, but I we still struggle. Like it's I mean, it's a normal thing. But those like maybe four months that felt like five years of this like in between phase was where I just slowly started unraveling that whole web of like, Okay, I am not what I do, I am who I am. So I'm going to make sure who I am is like,

like what do I want people to see? What do I want to give out to the world in an odd way? Aren't you a bit grateful for that experience? You would never walk yourself into it because you would never go, you know what, I really want to find it who I am? So let's let things suck for us,

but mine have. I got find a million dollars by the FCC like three years ago, and for me that was I thought I was done and that was like and I was like, you know what, I don't because there's nothing else to find because you kind of suck. I was find with myself it kind of sucks. I'm like, oh man, let me try to find the reason I'm still good. And so I'm trying to find like and I'm glad because I was getting a little too obnoxious about that time. It really reset me into hey, oh yes,

you got you got a little caught up. That's with me talking to myself. You've got a little caught up in all of that. Stop you just gotta find a million dollars and if you get through this, you're gonna appreciate it so much more and you're really gonna work to help others that are going through similar struggles. So that happened with me, and it sounds like probably happened to you guys too, because when you hit that down, you go oh, and you appreciate it so much more

as it kind of rehappening again. Oh yeah, you need those moments to check yourself. I mean yeah, but they still happen. I mean, I melted down on Tay what three days ago. I just had to let it out, Like sometimes it's just that cline game of just like I mean, and I'm sure you felt this, Like if a crowd doesn't receive you will or doesn't like cheer you on, Like how do you not get affected by that?

But you're putting everything that you have into a crowd and maybe they're just not feeling it, or maybe they just don't show it and they're loving it and they just don't show it. So how do you not feel like the worst entertainer? You know what I mean? Like just that whole mind game that comes with the job. It's funny you bring that up and I just talked about kid. But that's the thing that Kip and I've talked about a few times, like off microphones, like it's that.

So I do stand up comedy and I I watched

the people, but I can't watch their faces anymore. I have to watch their heads because I can't assign how I react to something funny to what how they're reacting to me because we all react differently, right, so someone may be thinking it's really funny, and they may not be a laugh out loud and they're just saying and the same thing that people was like, man, I would get so mad when people would not look up or they'd be on their phones, and it was, Hey, that

just might be how they're receptive to your But it's a heart change. Trying not to take it personal is a battle. But yeah, for sure, I feel like going back to what you said is being thankful about going through the trial is the people that we are now, which every day we're figuring out who we are and what our purposes and all of that and becoming the

best version of ourselves. But two years ago, a year ago, the people that we were dramatically different, and I love we loved we were then, but we love ourselves even more now and the record that we created would not have been possible without the emotions that we felt doing and really crappy to. Our friendship is a different level too, like we're like sisters. Yeah, it's like beyond any of that.

Like there's just like when you go through the trenches with someone and there's not a doubt, like we're we're in our own marriage basically like we are, like there is no backing out, like we are in it when it. We're in this together. We support each other. If one of us is having an off day, the other one makes up for it. And that's why I'm like, oh, being a solo artist, I don't know how you go out there and freaking do that by yourself? Do you really?

I believe you. You really can't trust some one until you have to trust someone and they come through. I have the same thing with my coach. You should put that in a book. Is that already in one of your books? That's good. That's a really good, like classic quote, because you really don't know until it has to happen, and then once it happens, you have Then you guys have experienced that my coast and I have experienced that.

Amy and I we've been together for four fourteen years or so and so, but we've had you know, her mom died, my mom died, her kids from the orphanage. We've had to have it to the back so many times in situations that weren't good. But then you realize and you have that trust that hey, oh if they're not good again, we may fight, we may have but like we're in it, yes, and you really don't know that until you have to know that. And sometimes it

doesn't work out. Sometimes you with someone you go, oh, well, this is not gonna work. Like there's put pressure on it, so it breaks. But if it's stronger through pressure, then you realize you can actually go a little bit deeper. Yeah, there's yeah. Everyone asked like, so, like did y'all think about breaking up? We're like, we didn't. That was not

even one thing. Like we thought, maybe we won't get to be artists again, but we'll still be songwriters or you know, maybe we're gonna have to like go get a job at Walmart to pay the bit, like I mean, if it never get like that. But um, just because we started the whole thing as songwriters and so if anything, but we we want it so bad and we will and we work so hard that like it, it's that's our that's gonna be our thing. This is gonna happen. It's just gonna be hard, which is fine. I do.

I do not mind the uphill climb this time because it's like there's a gratefulness that will exude from us that will hopefully inspire other people. Makes a heck of a story. Yeah, we gotta damn good story. You guys make enough money with the first song to be okay for a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Mattie and I are very very careful with our money. Yeah we don't. We have both have paid off cars, um very conservative home, like we just but I don't know. I don't watch that Gucci.

I'm like a principal person. I don't. I don't know. I mean, I guess if you're like making millions of dollars, like treat yourself, but my treat myself is like getting a pedicure once a month or something, you know, But I don't know. My parents always give me so much grief because they're like, like we grew up like you know, middle class like it wasn't like we were poor, but I like I pretend like I'm poor, like I just saved my money and make sure like if anything ever happened,

I had it in savings. I don't. I don't necessarily like to live like the end of the world, because I like to leave room for God to perform as miracles. But it's like a middle ground, like I have enough to live and I'm not I'm not dying. I'm not crazy poor and I'm not crazy rich. I'm somewhere in the middle, and it's good. It works for where's like the you know that Jody Messina song the I'm above below and the low I'm stuck in the middle where our money is type. But I guess doing all right.

I love that song. That line is so cool, so maybe that's where we were stuck in the middle where when he gets no, I'm just kidding. Any other cuts from have you given your song to other people? Have you any other cuts? She cut a song called Boomerang that we wrote um and we got to see her perform at one time, and that was pretty awesome. Awesome, Like it's a whole different kind of cool. It's a

cool because you do what you do. But when someone else takes your song, yeah, regardless, like if someone else thinks it's good enough, maybe someone who gave it to her, Yeah, But if someone thinks it's good enough and they cut and they spend the money and then they sing it like you created that, and it's like you, it's like a nephew. Yeah. Kid, it's like a nephew yes, where you get to like like oh my gosh, and you just get to like pass it on. It really is.

It's even more validation of being a good songwriter because if someone else wants it, yeah, because obviously we can get on stage and sing the songs that we wrote. But if someone else wants to get one agent singing the song that we wrote, it's pretty cool. So let's let's go to now. So you do you shop record labels? Do you do you? You talked to a few of them? Okay, how does that one? Did you beg for? What happens now? So it's really confusing even for people in the industry.

Breaking down for me as simple as possible, I'm kind of idiot. No, you're not an idiot at all, but okay, for me, it's hard to explain. So basically DOT was a co venture between Universal New York and Big Machine so UM which I mean they both owned it. They both owned it, so she helped fund. Yes, but in New York, so like Ariana Grande Drake, like all them. So when Dot folded, since UMG funded it, they had

first right of refusal. So basically they said, okay, u MG New York, are there any artists on this roster that you want? Um and if you don't want them, then we'll put them on other Big Machine or like, if you just don't feel like it's a fit, we'll move them to other Big Machine imprints. But but you get the first option. So they we were the only ones that moved. So at the time we were thinking like, oh my gosh, this is like why didn't Why are

we the only ones? But like hindsight, it's like, wait, freaking um G. New York is huge and we have like really good buddies over there. Monty and Avery are awesome. But so basically Universal New York was like, look, we're in New York. We can't work these girls from here. I mean I'm sure they could, but um yeah, and so U m G. Nashville was like, well, hey, let's figure something out so we can both kind of work together. So um, so we knew we were UMG for a while,

but it was deciding which imprints. So was it going to be m c A, Was it going to be Mercury? Was it going to be um which there are different little just like yeah, I guess like different companies. Surely you would have the Cubs and the Braves. Yes, like Sam Haunt is under U m G m c A and we are UMG Mercury. So they had rights to you. So they thank you. That's good. Yeah, okay, so we felt wanted it was nice. Yeah, So you go and you go. So what does it start? Do you start

making music? You start writing songs and they say go right, and then bring back what you have, like what what's the first conversation? First things first was deciding because we had started to cut a record end of two thousand sixteen, December of two thousand sixteen with Big Machines Big Machine. So first things first was deciding do we want to keep that music or do we want to scrap it and completely go different direction for the second record. If you kept it, did you have to pay for it?

Or give them points on it, or wasn't all yours it was ours because we're Big Machine Publishing, so they didn't want to piss us off because they're still making money off of our songs to Big Machine Publishing. Because we're really tight with everyone there, so we could, but at that moment, deciding whether we wanted to use them was more or less is this still where we're at in our lives or is this what we're still going to write about or are we past that now? Are we?

Is it time to be mature women? And so we just came to the decision with Stephanie right at u MG. She's the A n R over there, and she kind of so A and R is a position where they help you decide what songs you want on a record and what producer would be great to cut those songs for you and all that kind of stuff. So we sat down with her and that was just kind of

how everything got rolling. She said, all right, you guys, dig in and write whatever you want to write and will reconvene when whenever you feel like it's time to. And we're like, really, we can go make a record that we want to make, And she said yeah, so we did. There wasn't rush to write songs to get good songs because you wanted to get back on the kind of back on the scene or no, because we had already had like the album that we have now. We probably wrote half of those songs when we were

still at DOT. Like there was still there's some you know songs that we wrote years ago, maybe just a year ago. Um, but most of the record was written through that really really rough time of like that in

between things. But um, we I mean we sat down with maybe like thirty six songs and had to like like we love this song, but had to cross it off, and like it just turned into this like concept record where it kind of starts with the friends don't like you know who's going to make the move, and then it goes into this in love phase and then it goes into the heartbreak phase, and then the end of the record is this like really like powerful redemptive thing

where there's like four songs back to back all about like just feeling yourself again and getting your power back and getting back on your feet. And so when we sat there and talked about it, we were like, well, that's kind of what we've been through the past couple of years. So even though it is through the eyes of our relationship, it's we're telling our truth on this record more than ever. Play some of this song here's the friends don't just saying so is just the first

track on the new record? So is that part of the strategy and putting it up first? Yeah? Yeah, like it's the beginning of the record, at the beginning of the story. It would be really cool to release singles. But if we released our singles kind of in the same sequence as a story, that would be awesome. Um, I don't know if that's going to be the case, but yeah, obviously yeah. Our label head Damon is leaning towards that too, because he he loves the story and

loves the like art that is behind the record. It's not just like, hey, let's pick some songs and put it on an album. It was like, wait, no, this is a whole story from top to bottom. So when is this hype at record coming out? I know it is a hypothetical record, right the first are you timing it? Kind of what the song is? That? What the thing is? Now? Like, well, yeah, we would love to obviously create traction with Friends don't and make sure that it's you know, impacting the way

we would like for it to. Then to release the record, so people are I want to listen to it, Yeah, theoretically end of this year, early next year, just depending on that's not terribly far to us. It feels like it because we got this record in January. Yeah, so so it'll be a year when it comes out like it is going to be the most rewarding. And if it, I mean, I believe that this is going to be

a game changing record for us. But even if it's not, just the accomplishment of putting out another record after all we've been through, be happy just that and everything else as icing on the cake. Mm hmm. Interesting. I believe you. I mean, I want all of the great things. I want people to connect. My dream is that people all can hear their own stories, like we get really nitty gritty. Maybe we can play you a couple of songs the correcord.

I won't listen to songs. I don't listen to songs never, no, no, no, really, I don't listen to anybody's new songs ever before because you want to know, this is what happens if I open that door up for one person everybody. Yeah, I forget that that's part of your job and it's not fun friends that are artists, and so even someone like Dirks, I'm like, dude, I can't don't because I don't do it for anybody, and and Dark is like my dude, yeahs sense. So yeah, I don't do it for anyone ever.

And it's weird because you know I like music. Yeah, you just don't want to. You don't want to be unfair, like we were talking about earlier. You want to give everyone of Yeah, I just want to bother it all the time. Because it was like, hey, listen to the song that I gotta get after the fake head thing where I'm like, when you live in Nashville, hey, I appreciate that. Though you wanna give an honest response when

someone let you listen to the song. You don't want to just say oh I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it. I feel like you know what happens. Sometimes I get a text methods from someone and go, hey, buddy, it's I don't know the number, and I'm like, buddy, like, yeah, I want you to have a new single. Check it out. And I'm not even know who this is, and then you have to go back and scroll and trying to figure out who

it is through context clues. I think if I were you, If I were you, I would feel like because most of the time when people do that, it's probably because they're working in angle always all the time. I don't trust anyone ever in this business, and I wouldn't either. Nobody everybody wants me for something. So when people just genuinely like want you to just hear a song, you can't tell if it's genuine or if it's Hey, we want to work in angle and see, you know what

I mean. Like, So the only way I can be genuine is just say it, not doing it. I can't do it. Like. The most genuine thing I can do is be consistent with everyone. So I say no. So my point is now, I M gonna listen to your songs. You know what, It's fine, that's okay. Hey, I believe they're good. That you guys are really good. Like you guys are really good. Thank you. Often you know there are everybody's really good at in this town. You have to be exceptional to be especially as a chick. If

you're not exceptional, as a girl. Yeah, you're not gonna work. You have to be exceptional with some sort of special specificiplicity. You can't just be great. You have to be great and also have some crazy angle about you as a female. We're just totally unfair because you got a bunch of d bad guys that are that they're the same, they are good. But I'm glad. I'm just kidding. I'm just

I'm so over it. So I feel you. I The thing is, we have so many friends that we root for in love, and then there's there's just I don't know. I mean, everyone has their own opinion, and like what is what do they say? Like opinions are like armpits. Everyone has two of them and no one wants Yeah, oh there, that's what it is. That's right. Okay, So maybe the end of the year of the record comes out. Yeah,

that's hoping. Yes, I'm excited did for it to come out, because this whole thing is going to make sense when everyone hears the music and here's the story, It's like, oh, that's what they were talking about a year ago, six months ago at like and then we've got music video coming out and then maybe a tour that we can't really talk about but I know about it. No, I'm not going to. But oddly we have a lot of the same people. Yeah, oh yeah, we have the same management. Yeah,

we have the same family. Because someone from your team that is also on our team come to my house and I was you're talking about um here a minute ago, and I'm like, oh, why are you here? Oh no, no, ks um what are you talking about? Just someone like really pulled some weight in for what? For this? Why? Why did you whisper off mine? You can say whatever you want, I know, but I don't underst what you're saying because I don't say who is what happened, who

pulled what weight? For what? Well, he's just awesome, Like he just can say something to me. No, no no know, I'm just saying like we have really good we share. We share great people that work their monkeys. That my manager. Who's your day to day that's right, Mary? I love her. Yeah, she's great and so oh yeah, he's why I'm on idol. Yeah, because he has Luke and he and he has Lionel and so all the stuff, all the stuff works. It's just my whole career is just finding really good people.

I'm not good at anything, but I'm great at finding people that are great at things. Yes, I would. I feel the same way. I know you guys are great, great artists, Thank you. But your team, your team has Yeah, you can't go far without people that know what they're doing. And that's why we, like you said, you hire people that you trust and that you feel like, I can

accomplish those goals that you have for yourself. And I mean we don't know like half of the industry stuff, like all the you really got to land on your team for that stuff. Yeah, because they know they've been at it longer than us. Obviously, you know when you're getting married. So fun fact, I don't even know if I'm supposed to be saying this, but so we actually set a date for next year, next fall. But this tour that is happening that will be announced soon, um,

so that may conflict with the wedding date. So I pulled Jonah side and I'm like, look, babe, I love you very much, but we may have to move this wedding date back. And he was like, yeah, no worries. And I was like, this is totally the person I'm so like. I never had a doubt that this is who I'm so smarried. But when he was like, yeah, no worries, that's fine if we have to move in a couple of months, I was like, thank you Jesus,

I got a good man. He is going to be twenty four and October, so yeah, he's he's a gym and hell is Josh. I know Josh because his dad. I was on his dad's record. Words the sweetest. He's a good dude. Both of his parents are just so sweet. But then aside from that, UM, I hope I'm okay to say that your boyfriend is a great songwriter. Thank you, thank you, And so it was weird for me to see him as a guitar player and then as the son of the record. But he's a great songwriter, thank you.

He actually, yes, he is a great songwriter. I'm very proud of him. He wrote two of the songs on our record with us, so that's how the love began, and urban stuff like yeah, and it's hard for me to see your boyfriend as that because I saw him as just a guitar player and as the son of his story is crazy because when his dad decided to run Black River, Um, he was in college playing trumpet and lacrosse and trumpet. Yeah, that's my many trumpet I did.

I did. I played trumpet. So he was playing lacrosse in college and then had been songwriting like all of high school. And then yeah, I just decided to teach himself how to play guitar and then started playing guitar on the road and that turned to songwriting, and then songwriting turned to producing. Yeah. It's crazy because when you know someone from like a kid up, you're like, Okay, you have double a proof because I but he's really he's really good and you're like the label head's kid.

But he's freaking amaze. He's one of my favorite people to write with. And he was coming of her for this and we had to cancel for some reason. Didn't we get sick or something. I got sick the one time in like ten years I got sick. Josh was coming up. I never get sick either, Yeah, I mean, and if I do, I just fight through it because eventually I'll not be sick and I'll be happy I fought through it. That's how I see it. Yeah, eventually I'm going to feel better again, because you when you're sick.

This is it. But then on the other side of it, you go, oh, you do get through it. Yeah, so if I just want to hung in there. But I got really sick the flu. I had the flu last year, and that sucker would not go away. It was like three weeks. I was down for the kid. It was bad, like I got vertigo from it where I just like I couldn't even walk downstairs. I would just be like dizzy. It was a mess. Was your boyfriend with you? Yes,

so that's gross. Oh and he's a germa Bope. Literally, Bobby, we go into Target and this like we'll be walking down an aisle and someone maybe like let's say even twenty feet away, we'll sneeze and we gotta go. We gotta leave, turn around, and I'm like, you gotta be kidding me, dude. So me having the flu was absolutely disgusting. Yes, oh, yet all he never caught it either. He's healthy like you guys, he never gets sick. I say, I never get sick. I just had a cold, So that's true.

But I didn't get sick, thank God. And you find someone that you can, like I have body fluids come out around. That's kind. But in the reverse. He just had sal vanilla and I had to take care of that, so he to uber disgusting. Yeah, I've never been with anyone with salmonella. It's basically a stomach bug. So it's like both the spectrum and you had to be with me through a stomach bug and oh yeah that was when threw up on my foot, And yeah, the bug is such a gross thing, that the bug. It was awful.

It was awful, and we were on the bus, which throwing up on a bus is the I don't even think the toiletic grinder. So guys like you're listening to this whole debacle, imagine a tour bus toilet is maybe even smaller than an airplane toilet, so right, like maybe cut that like in half, and that's a bus toilet and t is puking and I'm trying to catch it in a bag and then it gets on my foot

and I'm trying to run out of the bus. But I mean, you know, hey, through thick and then can't trust somebody until you can trust somebody was the quote, don't tell you sometimes the wonderful knowledge. Well, well, well listen, we've been doing this for an hour so fun. I know, I love podcasting. It's so fun, and I liked I like your podcast because I feel like you don't do like the surface stuff like, but I do my surface.

I mean I do what I think I don't. This is honestly, God, I don't go what can I talk about? It's so Secondly, I just I'm lucky enough to still be the consumer but also be in the business enough to know the questions to ask that maybe people don't even know they want to know about, because when I explore and go, oh that I didn't know that happen. Yeah, I didn't know inter Ears told my freaking bands for the playing stage is big enough to need in Ears exactly,

I didn't know, you know. So I have a question for you before we go. Have you taken the indiogram test? Every person that comes and asking about that? And know I haven't. Okay, what about your Myers pricks? What Myers bricks? He's like what. I was just curious because Tay and I are obsessed with this Instagram thing. It's a personality test. It's kind of like whatever that means, there is no twelve you like to have fun and kind of guess

people's inngeograms. I know as I know. All you have to do is go online and we'll send you the link, yes to take it and seven questions. I'm going to put my prediction. Okay, go ahead. I think maybe a one or an eight? Why why do you think? But what are you assigning this to? What personality? Three? I don't know what this means. Yeah, I think you're a pizza. So when she said she thinks you're a one, that means a it's a reformer where it's like you're always

wanting to like perfectionists. Yeah, like you're always wanting to like change things for the better and like adjust, Like you're never like too comfortable and you're always trying to like challenge in a good way. And I'm a nine, so I'm technically called the peacemaker a k. The harmonizer. I'm not the peacemaker, and I'm not either I'm a two, which is the helper. So it's like it's my personalities. Like you're always trying to like help people or figure

out like what you can do. Like it's just like whatever. But the quiz is so interesting because I feel like if you took it, you'd be like, wait, I think you're a three, which will okay, take it if somebody texts me that the thing and I'll text you back. What is your bet? Okay? Up? Three? I think you're three? Performer? Yeah, three is split down the middle. Three is like the achiever the performer like always wanting others to win and wanting to win, like they're all great things. But I

just I don't know. Some people are bad. Oh yeah, there's definitely there's flaws that are listed. Whenever you tell no, you we all no, no, no, um no. But I like my flaws are like, oh man, this is so true. I can't even deny it. Okay, well, okay, this is what we'll do is we'll group text this link. I'm gonna say A one, and then you let us know and reveal, and then to your listeners you can let them know. Maybe everyone can put their bets in and see. I don't y'all are sleeping and you need to get

on this indiogram thing. There is called the Road to Better. I don't know. Matt Corney was talking to me about that too. Do you know Matt Carney? Yes? I love him. Do you know him? No? But I'm a huge fan and so I geeked out one. I'm a big matto. I get to geek out still geek out at things that I like, like artsy loves yes, like people that you've been listening to for years and years and years. We saw him at Live on the Green, like when

I first moved to Nashville. Do you remember there ago? Yeah, it was like five years ago, and he was amazing. I remember the mix was perfect, the lightning was great, it was just magical. Yeah, he was a good dude. We hung There are a few of these where Another one was Brandon who my friends without Brandon Lancaster from Lanko where you spend time with them and you go, oh, you're just a different kind of person like I. He's

so artsy. When someone goes, yeah my bigges hits brations Ryan Adams, you're like, oh, you're a way yeah, and someone needs to watch you make sure you're okay, but saying oh yeah, that is awesome. All right, we're gonna wrap this up, but um, I think we learned a lot here today. I learned a lot today. Yeah, going down to do it. We're gonna do the big announcement. What is Bobby's in your Graham, Papa Papa, bump bump, bump bump. Alright, Episode one might do anything you want

to say. I'm good, You're good over there, all right, Maddie Tay, thank you for coming, thank you for having us. We've done over an hour long? How long this mon I'm sorry. Thank you for letting us in your beautiful home. Thank you very much. We'll not talk about that, so we will move away. I don't care. I have a whole issue with having a swim pool like I feel terribly guilty about it, terribly guilty. We should I want to talk to you about that off the record, off

the record, I feel same. You're like one of my friends where you grew up with super poor and I feel terribly guilty about and you should not at all. I know I shouldn't. That's what's my six nine. Its tangible proof that you are successful and good at what you do. You deserve what you have earned. My point is I feel uncomfortable when someone says, hey, I like your shoes, because I'm like, oh no, no, don't be sorry. We gotta untangle that web. We gotta get in that

soul and untangle it. I'm going to on site on for like four days. How that is. I'm gonna try to untangle some stuff. I'm going start speaking to Davey let me know. Will you please let us know? Because I feel like I could. I'll reply back to the text to read and be like, all right, are we just gonna group text soul searching things all the time? Therapy, Episode one Mattie and Tay, thank you guys for coming in and everybody next time, by bye, Ready