#114 - Lucie Silvas

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one of my favorite people. She's nicer than even she seems in this podcast, and she seems super nice in the podcast. Here is Lucy Silva's All right, Welcome to the Bobby Cast with Lucy Silva's I do think you're probably the most talked about guests overall. We've done over a hundred episodes, and forever it was I'm gonna wait and bring Lucy end because we know each other, and it's weird for me to interview and talk to someone that I know because you came toament Us early and

we hung out downstairs. I'm always annoyingly early, me too uncomfortably for other people, are uncomfortably for other people, But I hating late. It was drummed into me as a kid to not be late, so I sort of go the other way and compensate too much. And well, what I do a lot of times did I get places

and just sit in the parking lot. If there's more people do that, then they would admit I go and just because I don't ever want to miss the opportunity because of the easiest thing, which is being on time right. And there are people that absolutely miss opportunities because they're not on time right. So what I'll do is I will get somewhere obnoxiously early and then just sit in my car, just just sitting there. I mean channels. But when someone sees you doing that, then that's when you've

got a problem. They're like looking out there's always a chance of looking out the window watching you just wait. Well, offensive a house, I'll park it like the gas station or a restaurant down and then I'll drive up right on time. That's a good ploy. Um. I actually I don't know the late thing. You know, I've always wondered

I had. I used to live with a friend of mine that used to our traits were that we've eventually have one of those days where like, okay, let's have a truth session because we're getting annoyed with each other. Because when you live with someone for a long time, these things start to fester. And I said, why Ay was late for things like is it because you don't have a concept of time as to what ten minutes is? Or is it because you just don't like being told

to be to do something? And she was like, it's a bit of both, and she said sometimes it's like it's a control thing. You want to control everything that you're doing. I was like, well, that's great, someone's sitting there waiting for you, and which is so annoying. It always feels like a lack of respect. I think so, and I feel like I'm disrespecting someone too. I'm not like I'm not respecting their time, and so like the

whole around you. That's still a control thing, Like I want to control the fact that people feel like I'm dependable. That's true. I just yeah, well, you want to be reliable. You don't want to be like those people that if you're in need suddenly they'll be well, Lucy, we'll be here. Don't worry. In realites, you know, you want to be

someone that's going to rush over that. I'm surprised you're not a really late person though, because you're so creative an artis Before we went on Lucy and I were talking about twenty minutes about you know, the cycle of music, just just generally, and I say, my mind, I have very a consumer based mind. You have very artist based mind. I have both. I really think. Well, we were talking like you want to create an album and let people live with it and love it, and and everyone does.

But I'm talking about you know the Drake I called the Drake model where he's constantly feeding people songs one at a time, one at a time, one at a time, and then he'll put a record out right. And so we got into a truth session, even truth session, and you have too many of those. And most artists, like super creative artistry people what you are, You're late, You're

one with earth. That's the only thing I'm not. I don't take the tree huggy approach to time, like I don't know, it's just it's every it's ways you were brought up. My family are pretty laid back in lots of way is except for that, like if I wasn't, you know, come down for dinner at the right time, or I think my mom was to stress. She had a nine or five job. My dad worked this to get us to school. And I saw hell break loose every morning. It was total chaos. She's trying to get

us to school on time. So when you see that amount of anxiety and panic all around you like, Okay, I gotta be on time, I've gotta be downstairs, gonna be ready. And I think it just stayed with me, you know, And and I can't. I guess I don't like I don't. I've gotten sort of more laid back about it, because when you're with huge groups of people all the time, or you're with big families, you know, you just have to sort of just go with the flow. And I've had to really learned to exhale and be like,

it's fine, it'll be fine. Well, what's exciting for me is it like I'm a big fan of yours. And so I don't even know how we met. I think we met well after Lindsay, which azing she played. That's exactly what four hours in the street And that's when you had first heard about me, I think, because you and Charlie showed up yes together, Yeah, so I was

dating Lindsay. Yeah, I love Charlie Worsham. Yeah, and you were playing I said, wow, who was the girl that played because I was really kind That's what I was thinking, what whomember that was? It was? You said, has really kind of her to come out and play, let me listen to her music. And then I heard your music and I thought, wow, like I love this, thank you. And then yeah, that's where it started. You're right, yeah, and she I mean, I was just do you know what.

I actually can't remember how she and I met, but when she asked me to do that, I thought, how just this person is so dedicated to so many things. And Charlie and I I've known. I think Charlie was one of the first people I met in Nashville in two thousand and seven, and so we just thought it was such a lovely thing to do. We were like,

we'd love to be part of that. And then and obviously I had known all about you for a long time and never really thought that our pauls would necessarily collide um and I was really the day that I saw you talking about let us to go. So I was totally blown away by and excited by it, just because it wasn't something I was expected. I wasn't expecting that collision of work treat huh, real change from said well, yeah, that was the first song that I heard Letters to go.

I loved it, Nus, this is this is fine of my favorite your songs from earlier. And so what was amazing to me is I didn't know villain to by the way saying you Crown. You make music that I like, your style of music of a style that I like, and I didn't know you. And I remember going, hey, we're playing some shows on can Saw Do you want

to come out? And it's so funny how your world being interest in my world has created great friends for me, like meeting you has because we go out and I think he did wrote the bust with us, right, yeah, come on, But that was one of the funniest That was so much fun. It was just so and I was nervous because you know, I only just met you previous to that, hadn't met Nikita before. Hann was bringing Brandon,

who I really didn't know very well. He was just I was like still at all either, right, and yet it was just so relaxed and so cool. When you're sleeping in close proximity to basically strangers, it's like that opens up a whole can of worms that could be you know a million things, and I just had so

much fun. I felt so relaxed. It was brilliant for me because so many things as an artist or not relaxed, and in that kind of environment I didn't expect to be because I didn't know anybody, and you didn't expect for us to be nice or expectually be nice. I didn't expect it to be as chilled as it was because you're just mixing people together that I've never been on a bus with people from radio before anything, you know what I mean. It's just something i'd never experienced,

and I hadn't spent much time with you. I knew that you were fun and everything I knew Eddie was fun, but really a group of people on a bus I was like. And also, I can get really socially anxious with different things, even though people don't seem to know that about me. I never seemed to be, but internally I'm going through a whole snakes and ladders of scenarios. Remember the first time you played I watched your live I was like, man, like, you're really good life, like

your this doesn't do your live performance justice. And you were playing with Brandon Brandy came and played guitar with you. Yeah, I thought, man, I'm a fan, and so I would just wait for you to put a musicount. I would just wait. And then we became friends because we would we This is one of the relationships that I've kept somewhat like friendship relationships, and we still communicate. And uh, we went to dinner and I didn't know your story because I know how you moved to America. I don't

know you were big in the UK. I don't know anything. If you had accent, I don't know what accent was wrong. I don't know anything on the accents. Confused, and then it's so weird to sit with someone and they started asking them really personal questions. So in this environment, I can ask all I want forsake of my people hearing knowing about it. So you moved You moved in Nashville, Win, I moved here. I mean, it is crazy. Do you

know everyone feels like they've had about ten lives. I really feel like I've had those, and I've never they've They've kept weirdly separate, so it's it's strange. The first time I came here was in two thousand and seven, and it was with my friend John Green, who was childhood buddies. I grew up with him. He just had been coming to Nashville, and i'd i'd grown up with some country music that you know, nineties country actually wasn't

something that was that familiar to me. It was older country, and it was but i'd never I'd heard things about Nashville and in two thousand and seven it is a very different place than it is now. And I came and I ended up staying five weeks the first trip I was here. Um just I don't know. I can't even remember how it happened. As in a restaurant, I met Barry Dean, I met Busby, I'm at Darryl Franklin.

I met like just a bunch of people that and Troy Virgins as well, a bunch of people that I would call some of the closest friends to me now. And I just I couldn't believe this place. It was coming off the back of a time when I was coming out of my record deal with Universal. I was just the UK record deal then, or was it a worldwide It was a world wide deal, but we just never got to America. We just never I toured Europe extensively. We honed in there. I never really got a chance

to come over here. I don't even think they released music over here. So where were you biggest before? In the UK? It was the UK, but weirdly enough, Spain and Holland and places like that it was. And why I have no idea, Like I I used to ask those questions. I'd be like, is this a language barrier? Or why do they why do they like this music? And I toured a lot over there, and I remember going there and it was even when we went to tener Reef. We decided was like, this is so crazy.

They're putting a gig in tenor Reef. So like these just like on the coast of Spain, and so I was like, I was like, cool, you know, rehearse go there and then we d I swear to god, this is a true story. So driving along and there's this road of ten ambulances, police cars, there's barriers, there's a and I looked around, I was like, what's going on here? And then when it's your show and I was like why what? I was like, I didn't understand how it

was such a big deal. And I knew that there was going to be it was going to be a relatively big show, but I didn't know it was going to be as big as it was. And it was like six thousand people, which for me was really big at the time. I'dn't even you know, right for an artist, there's my kind of music. And they went back all the way to the ocean, and I just remember thinking, I don't think I really understood what was going on

because I just never paid attention to it. I never I don't know, I was like doing headlights that whole time. Never I played first big gig, I played in England with shepherds Bush Empire. And remember even thinking then I didn't really understand the process that I was in, Like how did I get here? Because I was so young, and I also didn't get to grow the way that

I've gotten to grow here. How So, I was nineteen when I signed my first record deal with the m I three years nothing ever came out, gone, and then swore off record companies for the rest of my life. And then you know, weird, twisty story, I signed to Universal when I was twenty four and with the idea to what kind of music it's not that different to what I'm doing now, just a younger version. But it was very sick. I'd say it was very safe and

very sweet. It was had all my influences of people like Fleetwood Mac and whether they signed you to be signed you to be like because you know in the record deal that it's always okay, we want to sign this person because they can do this. What could you do? This is? This was the funny thing. I don't think that anyone thought it was even going to work because, quite honestly, because I was a girl playing the piano, the only things that were out there there was Delta

Good Room. So it was an Australian. She had been on a TV show in Australia, had a huge single and she was sort of huge in Australia already, and but I don't think I also signed to a really small label within Universal it went under and then Steve lilly White, who I was a fan of for all the music he had done, said, you know when you need to come in and see me and see Lucy and Grange and play your music for him. And because there's something special about the songs you write that you

shouldn't be on this label. You should be on Mercury and do that. So I did, and I remember even thinking, and I went into Lucian's office and I was so clear, You've got to remember that. It's not like Nashville when I didn't know any other artists. I never met any You have people that you go, Okay, that's what a radio tour look like. That's what being an artist looks like. When you're in your bedroom or you're in your house writing songs and you've been a studio maybe once before,

and you've never been on the road. And I was a backing singer for a few years when it was like that was like jazz clubs. That was small clubs over the UK. Suddenly, when I was thrown into the music industry, I had nothing to go on. Suddenly there's a radio team and a marketing team and your photo shoot and you do a video. And it was the craziest thing to me. It was when I see people fall into it so easily. I'm always like, wow, that's amazing that they're so young, and they seemed to just

fall in as if it's second nature. I definitely was not like that. So you're in the UK, what was your biggest song. It was a song called what You're Made Of. It was a ballad. Came out in two thousand and four, and this is the crazy thing is that Facebook was starting that year, so before we just had like MySpace and stuff like that, we had such a different way of becoming known, and all I knew was, well,

we have to get on the radio. I really don't think anyone thought that it would do what it did. And then even the day that it was I was getting my chart position because in England, you know, you release it in the week, the next week you get your position, and I didn't want to answer the phone to my manager because I'd already been through a lot with record labels. So I was just trying to keep my head out of I'm going to make this museum and to go out there, but I'm not going to

pay attention to what it's doing. Obviously, you can't do that. You have to do And they said your number six, and I was like, to me, that was crazy. I just don't think I expected because it was a ballad amidst some really really different music in the charts at the time, It's not something that was going to be played on radio one where fat Boy Slim was being played and all this stuff. I was like a girl at the piano playing a ballad coming out of nowhere,

and so where did it peak? Picked? It peaked at six, and then the album went in at eleven. How how unknown does that make you known? In Europe? You know, if you have a typed in song. I think it depends what's going on in that moment. It depends what

other artists are out at that time. I feel like it took a minute by the time I released my second single, which was an uptempo song called Breathing that also went to number six, and again I was shocked about that as well, just because I was this music was so different than what was going on. I was like, how is this finding its way through? You know? And you shocked at all the success, like all the big thing. I was shocked, not because I don't love it and

I don't believe in it. It's just because I think I got such a hard knock when I first I was a clueless girl thinking, you know, skipping along going everything's great. You you make music, then you signed a record deal, then you're famous. You know what I mean? When you don't know anything and then suddenly three years being signed to the same people and then being dropped, your suddenly get a hard reality check and you're like, oh, this isn't quite as it isn't quite as smooth as

I thought it would be. And then it was a good reality check for me. The crazy thing for me is that we were talking about your career and you brought up the Metallic a song. Nothing else matters because you cut this, so but this is but you cut it? So who who played this? Where did it go? This is? This was an amazing thing. I only cut it because my sister Mia wanted me to cut it, and because I, you know, grew up on prominently other types of music. And I love the song and I thought, you know what,

I can play this on piano. This is a beautiful song, even though and I didn't expect it to have any focus on it, because I just put it on the album just as something I liked. And then I think the record labels around Europe, we're like, we're going to put this out, we want to do a video. I'd recorded Abbey Road with a thirty two piece orchestra. That

was dream stuff for me. I was in that studio watching this orchestra sign them of it, going this is what dreams are made of, This is the kind of music I want to make for the rest of my life. And its processed up with a Metallica song. Did you reach out to anybody in that camp or do you just cut it? We We had to reach out to them because I didn't speak to them personally, but you had because I had changed it slightly, So I think that's kind of an infringement on their copyright as to

how they originally did it. So we had to reach out. But they heard it and they liked it, and I was really pumped about that. I was like, even though I probably made a few Metallica fans mad, I think, oh yeah, did you get that? Did you ever? Fans are upset? Yeah, very upset, And I was like, obviously didn't understand the weight of it. They there was people even when I went to do a gig in Denmark, I went on stage and there was a few a few booze out there because they didn't like my cover.

So it was such it was like a religion to them, that music. So this song, what did it do? Did it went? It went to number one? It was a number one. It was a number one in certain countries, but it's not not not in the UK. Didn't come out as a single country number one. I think it was Spain. Yeah, but it's crazy. It was something, honestly, I didn't expect because it was a cover, and you know, as a songwriter, you think you don't even think you're gonna put covers out. There's a single and um, but

we did a video. We shot the video in New Jersey and that was an amazing experience, like just we had a grand piano on top of the railroad tracks and it was all very grand. It was just it

was pretty it was it was pretty amazing. Really, did you find that people didn't know the Metallica song and just thought it was a song that you had written or you had put on a record, And then they're like, oh, I didn't even know it was a cover, right, It's quite possible a lot of people that weren't necessarily hardcore Metallica fans or weren't necessarily aware. I mean, it was such a huge song for them, so but there's a it was another generation of people that got to hear

it in a different way. And there's actually been a few covers of this song. I'm not the only cover of it, and um they I mean it just it just opened up. I thought, this is such a beautiful song. It actually fits with my music in the way that I write ballads and and I was pleased for that. I was pleased in another genre. It had its moment and it crazy to me. I love that story. Thank you. Let talking about Blue Apron for a second. Paid the bills here were six weeks April sixteen through May one.

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I don't do like crazy gourmet meals, but I like, you know, a chicken cast role, which I've realized that cast role is not the same thing in England as it is in America. So whatever it is here, it's like soup or stew here. Apparently apparently what I make is a soup, but I think it's a casserole. A cast role here is not a soup. It's in a hash brown castle. Yeah right, I learned that it's a

Southern thing, a very southern. Okay, Well in England it's like that's real pub food, like gastro pub food where you get cast role or stew or beef and ale pies. Now I'm really starving. So you were born in New Zealand and I was born in England. So I was born in England. I went to New Zealand when I was a little kid, and actually, weirdly enough, my family, a lot of my family, my whole immediate family lived there now, but my dad spent a portion of his

childhood in New Zealand as well. So and my family's huge two brothers married two sisters, so someone that way somewhere that way. My mom too. My mom and her sister married two brothers. You're the only person I've ever heard of doing that. Wow, that's so. That means all your family is the same, like saying you're a double cousin. Double cousins, and I mean so many cousins, some of which I mean you go to a you know, one

of those family events. This is your cousin, This is your cousin, This is your cousin, which one like fourth, cousin, fifth, There's a lot of them. And so you're born in England, you move in New Zealand, and then back to England again. When I was about so what's the accent? And make sure I have no idea? I mean, I'm so confused with my accent. I mean, I've been here a while too, and when you're around American accents all the time, I feel like I actually enforced to shift because people are like,

what what did you just say? What? What's that? Even my dog's name, My dog's names Barly, but I have to call her Barley because otherwise everyone's like Barley Bary what? And and you know, you change your accents. So then when I go back to England. I get a load of grief from all my friends in England saying I sound American to Americans. I sound Australian to Australians. I sound Scottish or English, I don't know. So you know what, I like speaking cover as I do enjoy the version

of perfect that you put out. Think you put this out by itself, right, yeah, and you have a lot of really good covers that you just created and put out. What what about the covers is it for you? It's I mean, I've done a few. I mean, some people you'll see, they'll put up covers on Spotify. They'll constantly be doing versions of songs. It takes a lot for me to do that, just because I have to. For some reason, I loved that song. I love a lot

one direction that's really good. I'll be honest. I didn't like it until you've covered it, and I loved it afterwards because it because I listen to the words when you did it. When I hear this now it's looked too fast and there's still too tempo, it's like, okay, it'sn't it. But when you're saying it, I heard the words.

It made me listen to the One Direction version. It felt there's something longing about it because when I heard the words, that's why it connected with me, because I was like, there's something a bit dark about this that I like, and I wanted to get the gritty side of it out, which is you can only really you really only find that longing that the words, because I love that's one of their songs that I just loved

the lyrics the most. Because of that, It's just sounds a bit well that intrigues me, that subject that they're talking about. Did you find the One Direction fans came at you the same way the Metallica fans came at you? Actually, I feel like they for the most part, it seemed to be that they liked it. I think it was sort of different because I didn't seem to be. It's not like I was a million miles like Metallica fans.

I don't know, it's just different things it. They seem almost like really offended when they did the metall But yeah, but the One Direction, not that I'm aware of not didn't they seem it bothered by it at all? You never get to sing them Metallica? Did you know they've already told you about that. If that happened, I mean,

that would have been legendary. And actually the reason I did the Metallica cover how I did it was because they did the Michael Came in version with a full orchestra, and that's kind of was like, oh man, that is I mean, if you ever get to perform, I've done a couple of things where I've gotten to perform with a full orchestra, and it's just one of the scariest but amazing because you're playing the piano, You've got a click, and you know you've got the conductor over there, you're singing,

everything is going on. It's the most crazy multitasking I've ever done. And but amazing. Are you wearing inner ears when you play the orchestra? I was the second time because it was it was a big place that we did it in, so I had to have the click and because we were too far away from each other.

But there have been times where maybe I was on wedges and it was just going by what the conductor was doing, which is just terrifying because I don't you know his movements are the orchestra members are used to those types of movements, But I'm like, what's the downbeat? Was it up or down? Like what's happening? And it's really scary, but it is really an amazing feeling. It just feels like a lot. It's a lot, and I mean, if you're nothing to think about, it's a lot. Yeah.

I mean, I get watching a show with the orchestra, playing a show with the orchestra, plus you know, they start playing people that play in orchestras or you know, those types of musicians. They play with such emotion and I'm practically crying afterwards. I'm devastated by what they've just done. And they're like, oh, that's lunch. They put their bow down and they just walk out with like seemingly no emotion. I'm like, what you're doing is genius to me, but

you're making no big deal. So I can't read music. I'm not I've always played by ear. I can't. I'm not academically good at any of that, so it always blows me away. Let me play one more of these because I pulled a few of the covers that I liked. This is my favorite Willie Nelson song is Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain. My second is always on my mind because I love slow song. I think that's why

I love your music so much. Like I like real, pure slow songs that made me want to get in my closet and cover myself and my pretty cloth and cry right right like with me. I feel like this is the one where I go, don't screw it up because and they're all these songs are so precious to the people who love them precious. And to this song, I go, oh, don't screw it's it's yeah you always

this is the Live Things a year ago. Um, I mean that's the thing you These songs the same as the Royal persons like, these are classics, they are staples, legendary songs. I think all you can do is be the artist that you are. And if it's the reason I picked this because it touches me and I can only sing how I feel it. You come on, do you hear that? Go damn, I'm good. I mean I can't. I'm too self critical. I'll be pulling that apart. So

but oh that I felt it at the time. I know one thing I won't criticize about myself is that when I'm in that moment, I know I sung my heart. I know I couldn't have done it any better. So that's good. Go ahead, that's lovely, thank you. How about okay, let's do that? Oh what's up? This is like I feel like I'm in an episode of This Is Your Life. It's like you could start bringing in strangers that I really don't want to see ever again. And here's your

cousin because my cousin Molaska. I mean, this is my voice. That's like a different person. Yes, I either smoked forty cigarettes or just talked way too much or had too many late nights since then. I mean, it's so bizarre because obviously I've I'm older since that came out. I have lived a whole different life since that came out. That sounds so innocent to me, And it was. It was, and I loved it. It was like I, as just said, was a big Fleetwood Mac fan. That was like my

tribute somehow. It was like when we were recording that song, but I just don't even I recognize where I was. But it's such a different person to me. Same it was. I love the song. This is for the record side. It was not a joke everything, it's just for the record. I really love did you write that I did. Rust and Kelly and Jared k Who's were all the three of us are great friends and in our friendship, we've

known each other for years. I don't even remember how we got so close, but that day was really the special to us because we were hanging out anyway, and actually I think it was me and Me and Garald were writing and Rusty came. We came and met Rusty for a drink and then we're like, should we all go and write a song today, Let's just go do it.

And I obviously they're both so talented, and Rustin's voice, hees just start singing and you're just like, oh, it's just he's one of the most natural artists I've ever met. And I remember talking. We were talking about our past experiences, which we had a lot of similarities, and I said, you know, when you come out, you just come out of things looking bad. You're the one that looks bad.

You're and you want to kind of say to someone, hey, just for the record, And we all just stopped in our tracks and we're like that we need to write that because that is something that it's summed up when you when you are able to do that, when you're able to sum things up perfectly as how as how as to how you all felt, even the bit about you laugh with your friends and say that I'm not good enough. I mean, these are things that you just know coming out of stuff, that you're on the receiving

end of that. And now such a special day. And Rustin has recorded it his for his new record as well. Yeah, and it's so I've got a version on my new record that's coming out this year, and he his version is so beautiful. It's it's like the different the ways that men and women feel emotion so differently. His sounds even a little darker than mine, a little even more longing. It's different minds on piano and sort of slight like that double time approach. His sounds probably um, maybe a

little more country, a little more roots see than mine. Um. And his voice is measurmizing. So it's just it's just an amazing different way to feel it. I played this earlier, this with Dave Barnes's friend that was it must be three years ago now, something like that, and I remember us in a room as well, and it was again that kind of subject matter of looking at the pass and looking our situations and Marion started singing that line

the three to one. I remember like it just hit me immediately, and I was like, you know, we had the title villain. And I remember saying to them afterwards, I said to Marion, you know, do you do you want to cut this song? You know? Because and she she wasn't sure yet what she was cutting and what she was doing, and I said, I feel very connected to it, and um, if it's cool with you, I'd love to record it. And I did a version of it, but by this time I'd already recorded a whole record.

I literally had no money left, I had no way to couldn't get back in the studio again. So I was like, I'm gonna go upstairs to my computer. I'm just gonna record it upstairs in a room in my house. And I'm not very good on logic or pro tools around the stuff I get by, I mean, but I recorded like that, just did it all myself, and I sent it to mar and I was like, Okay, this is I don't know if I'm doing the song justice because this sounds kind of I don't know, I don't

know how professional was sound. And she loved it and she was so excited. We just we were so excited of the song and me and Dave, the three of us. It was one of those days again, it was one of those special days where you're just hanging out and you feel a real connection between the three of you and I love Marion, I love Dave. They really do feel like family to me. So it's it's even better when a song like that that means so much to you, who comes out of that. I saw Maren after her

wedding posted Instagram with you in it. You're sang her down the aisle. Yeah, and again that was I mean, that's song. You got it? Actually, she she asked, so with me, Royal person covered me, Natalie Hemby, Laura Velts and Ian fit Chuck all sang it so and it was. It was so special because Marion was one of four people that were there when John and I got married,

so there was only we were in my house. We didn't have a proper big wedding, so Marion was John's best man basically, And when she texted to say, you know, I'd really love this, I was so honored because it is such a it's such a beautiful, special, intimate day and I thought, what better feeling to watch someone walk down the end. I was worried about myself off because I'd just come home from being with my family in

New Zealand. I was going to watch her walk down the aisle marrying Ryan trying to sing this song, and I was like, I need to hold it together. And luckily her dog, Pancake, came down the our first, so I was laughing at Pancakes. He's so cute. That really saved me from bawling my eyes out. Wow. So Marion was was John's best women for a while. We have I mean, when Mary moved to town, I guess, and I'm very bad at timeline, so I can't remember, but we met her. I think it was really through Casey

that we met Marion. And she, you know, she was really shy and sort of unassuming, really smart, but just sort of like keep to herself. And we went to Santa's Pub one night and she just she sang Halo my business. She started singing like what's going on before, like it's ridiculous, and we had no idea. We were like, what just happened? This is a pocket rocket, this tiny little thing who's so sweet and sings with this enormous voice,

and that's just kind of her all over. She just she moved to a new town as have got her head down and worked hard and and I don't know it, just I just guess you gravitate towards certain people, and she was one of them. I just found her would always be really sweet and kind, and I've been really proud and learned a lot watching her do what she does. You sold a million records, so we just handed this note in Europe. It's all a million records, a million,

one million. Yeah, it's crazy. I don't understand a million records. That's a lot. That's why people come to your shows. That's a lot. I mean it. And that's the thing. It's so crazy when I say I've lived different lives because my career, I mean I moved to Nashville, and people in England thought, well, I guess she's going to be a songwriter. She's moved somewhere else, she's not coming back here. But I've never really been worried about And also when I came to Nashville, I never told anyone.

I never really discussed with anyone like what I've done before. It was so blown away by Nashville. I was so I was. I was intimidated, and also I didn't think it was relevant. I just wanted to learn and wanted to meet people because I found the pop I found the industry jarring, and when I came to Nashville, there was just people getting up and singing and writing songs, and it just felt like the connection I'd always been looking for. I feel like you're the most positive person

around other artists that I know. You're still encouraging to everybody. I mean, it's genuine, because I don't Why wouldn't I be, do you know what I mean? Like, I don't. I'm the type of person. I have in securities like the next person, like everybody does, but I don't. They don't

come out towards other people. They come out towards my They're self destructive at the worst of times, and when it comes to other people, like I just you know, And it's not like I love every bit of music I hear, but when I do, I just really I just love to see people go out there and do their thing. I like to see people work hard, and I think that belief in themselves and that way that they're putting out something I love inspires me to do it as well. So it makes me feel yeah, just

it kind of eggs me on a little bit. But also I just I just feel like people need encouragement and it's just nice to especially in this community. It's people thrive off each other's love and support and the community that they've built here. I feel like people do better because of it. So your husband is John from Brothers Osborne, and that's been quite the rocket ship in the past. It's I mean, not a rocket ship for you guys, because you've been in him. He's been grinding

it out for so long. Yeah, but as far as the general public to go boom, Here's Brothers Osborne, I mean, that's had to be quite the ride in the house, huh. It has. But you know, the funny thing is, it's like you said, I've been watching it for such a long time at John ten years nearly eleven years ago, and he was he was in a band called King Billy and it was and then his brother and him were always playing together. So I've seen this long journey. But I guess it's hard for me to see what

that looks like. I mean, I never see what it looks like from an audience perspective. He's John to me. I mean, even when he goes on stage and plays guitar, I'm like, hang on a minute, how do I connect the person that I know and I'm married to to that guy who is playing the most insane, incredible, so low as I've ever heard in my life. I can't even compute the two and and actually it's probably a good thing that I can't, because I probably wouldn't be

able to make eye contact. But he's he's just I think he's such a worker. I don't think he doesn't take he doesn't put too much stock in the hoopler of what's going on because he just wants to play guitar. And t J and him are just very I think they're quite relaxed and chilled about it because of their upbringing and they but it is amazing to watch what's happened and the way it's happened, because it hasn't been easy for them. It's not like they went hang on

the scene and Okay, this is easy. You're getting on the radio, you're getting awards again. They really had to work at it, and I think that they're carving out elane that is very unique to them, and that's what I'm really proud of. And the biggest thing was the last time I thought was in the room when they won an award. It could have been the c M as it was the way people reacted to them winning the award that made me literally want to cry. I was.

I was very proud to watch the amount of love and support for them because I think they've wanted to do it the most authentic way. They don't They've wanted to do it in the real way. They wanted to make music that they love, no matter how difficult it is, no matter how they might not fit in with everything. So it's been good to watch. I think people root for people that work hard, just generally, if you root

for the person that's putting in the time. And I think that's why people are root for John and t J one. They are very likable people. If you get in sometimes like t J, I want to put me in the face. But I don't have to work anymore. J Oo, I don't know anymore. I don't know, but yeah, yeah, I think people root hard. Never record coming out Friday

right right? What about you? I mean that record is so bad as by the way, it's a classic, it's so beautiful and and but like you said, you root for people that work hard, and I have friends that And it's the delicate thing about this town is that there's it's it's been an inspiring thing to make music. You get us Bible. What you have to be careful

of is you want friendships to be real. You want those relationships to be based on how you feel around each other, not based on what's happening in each other's careers. You want that real connection. And I think I think the biggest thing for them is that they've had They just keep the realness around them, and so do I. That's what inspires us to work harder. And like you say, I'll root for people that work hard, that that are humble.

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What's what's the deal with your new music? What's the deal? So I have a record coming coming out August. I hope it's coming out straight four Ow is it done? It's all done? Um It's called E g O, which and everybody gets off on I don't That is a whole another podcast. But let's delve U e G O. So I'm really really excited about this record for so

many reasons. Firstly, the music. It feels like some sort of weird personal awakening to me, and that's a very typical thing to say for an artist probably, But the reason it is is because I've been in this town, maybe on a permanent level, maybe ten years overall, but living here for about seven years, and I made letters to ghosts and that was an Now I most so proud of, but I feel like I've still been finding my way as British Lucy, you know, in an industry

of well, I'm in this genre that's not quite it's not pop, it's not country, it's this place. So it's like, what is that place that I've had to find? And I've never had more fun than I had with this album doing that because I really didn't think about any of it. I went in with John Green again, who was the person that brought me to Nashville in the first place. It was sort of a full circle thing.

We recorded it a Battle Tapes. I was so excited to record there because Steel is Um, Andrew Combs, the Brummies, they all did their records there and I loved the sound of all of them. And Jeremy Ferguson over there was just one of the most amazing engineers people I've gotten to meet here. And we did it there and it just felt like we were in a bubble, which is what I needed to be in in this amazing town with so many artists around me, my husband, my

friends doing all their things. I was like, well, what is my thing? What is where do I want to go next? And I've gotten such amazing support from the country community, but really it's important for me to do something that feels really authentically myself, which you know, is based on a lot of music that comes out of Nashville, just not necessarily country. And so we just had a blast. I had every close friend involved in this record, and

that's I really think it's really special. I wrote. Natalie Hamby is one of the main features on the record. She we wrote five together, and I genuinely don't even know how when we wrote them, because it creaked up on us how many we've written together. We just and it was so special because she's truly one of my favorite people and one of my She's someone I love so dearly and I think I'll know for the rest

of my life. And the same as you know, Aaron McCauley and John my husband, and we wrote one, Kate York and just you know, Jeremy Spillman as well, just people that I just there are people I have in my life on a daily basis, and when I listened to this album, it just feels so unique to me. Um that kind of makes it harder when you think we'll wear in the scheme of things. There's a sip, but I don't care about any of that. I didn't

think about any of that. I just made an album that's so exciting to me lyrically and sound wise and reflects where I'm at. You wanted the short answer, didn't you know? I'm just I'm listening. You know I could keep going. You know, I'm going to have it downloaded, and your prepate on vinyl because you're cool. But I've never had vinyl before the seven inches that I did, so I'll have it on vinyl because vinyl is core.

Vinyl is so cool and I actually, weirdly enough, when I was younger, I used to collect the forty fives. I had, like this whole little China juke box, small ones had things Sign of the Times on viol and everything. But I've never had a full full vinyl before. So I'm really excited about that. And it's I'm working with thirty Tigers on this record, and just everything is a new venture for me on this and it's it's really really exciting. I just feel a lot of freedom with it.

So when will people get to hear it? So the first song they're here in June will come out and then there'll be three, probably two more after that before the record comes out in August. How exciting, It's so exciting, and it's really and it's it's just I've gotten to do so many great, exciting things over the past year that have led me up to at this point, and honestly,

it's it's right for me to tell people. Obviously, I've been an independent artist, as you know, no record deals, no teams of people, just me and my manager slogging it out, figuring out how to do it. Then started working obviously with Jay Williams wm E, but aside from that we were really as a team on our own. And then I got the call that I was that Chris and Morgan wanted me to go on tour with them. Yeah, Stapleton's and that was I've done a few shows with

them before. I've done maybe five or six with them the previous year, and I knew the brothers were going out with them, and they said, well, they want you to go to and I was, I just was. So I remember sending Morgan an email just saying, you have no idea how much this means to me, because being on the road with you guys obviously I love their music, I love what they do, I love the story. But I get to be on the road with my family

like it just you can't cross pollinating those worlds. For me never got to happen before I moved to Nashville, so I on life quite difficult trying to balance the two. And if it weren't for christ and Morgan, I don't think I would have been able to. I would have found a way because I've always found a way financially to make music and do everything I've done because it's all been self financed. But because of them, I was able to go into the studio at that time and

make this record. Really amazing. Wait until August. August it feels like ages away. But time is flying way too quick already. It feels because my Boot comes out in June. I thought that will never happen. So it's your second book. It was like September of last year and I'm going June, give me a breath now, and here we are. It's recording this. It's almost made right. It's crazy. Same as

the Brothers. You know, they recorded their album April of last year and they've had to wait a year by the time mine comes out, I would have waited nearly a year, and it's excruciating. You know, you just wanna I'm in that headspace. And also I don't want to listen to the stuff I've done because then I'll rerecord the whole thing because I'll be picking it to pieces. But I'm just excited for the time of my life

that I'm in the people. I had like a listening party just for the people that were involved in the record, and and then I had you know, Marion and Ryan came, and Casey cames, Rustin's on the record, but people, some people came just because they were supporting and wanting to hear it. And I looked around the room and it was some of my favorite when I wrote songs with Jade McPherson on there, with Trent Dabs on there, people that I truly admire. Looking around the room and I thought,

I don't care even what happens to this. I just I got to make something that I love with my best friend, with my husband, playing with all these people. This is I just don't feel like many people get to do it like that. So positive. I'm negative sometimes I've never seen it. John sees it, but I mean, you're a real treasurer. I do think as a person as an artist. Before I don't know fan of the music. Thank you, And that's how I know I like the music because didn't know you music, But thank you. No,

it's it's it's really cool to see. I mean, you're such a music fan and you like so you like such an eclectic range of things. This town has so much of it. And I knew, like when I started to see you post about different kinds of music weren't necessarily played on your show, I was like, I know we're gonna have a lot in common, lots of talking.

Then then I started playing all the all the stuff that I like it's not country on my country show, and then everybody again I just don't do it whatever, But people were people were human beings, but you, but you're the personality on that show, and people want to know what you like, and you know it's just because you're you know, it's it's it's all part and parcel of who you are as a person and what you're

listening to. I love that. And that's like I said, when I didn't expect you to play Let's to Go, I didn't really think about that and think it was gonna happen. When I heard that you played on the show, I was so excited because it's things that music takes you to places and meet people that you never expected to meet. And my life in Nashville has been just constant surge of that, like Wow, Okay, this is happening. Now,

this is happening. And you know, I remember when we went out on the road, you were like, Hey, what's your plan? And I remember going, Mmm, I'm on the non plan plan because I don't I'm not admittedly there's a lot of things that I probably don't plan like I should do. You know why I asked that, though? Do you know why I would ask you what your plan? I assumed it was because you cared, because because I wanted to be a part of helping you in your plan.

So that's what it was. Was, I, Hey, what's your plan? Maybe I can expedite the process a bit because I personally enjoy what you do, so let me help you with your plan. It was it, Hey, I'm looking at what you're doing. I knew that. I hope it didn't come across as that, because it was it was, Hey, what's your plan because I want to help you with the plan. I know, I knew that. I knew that,

and you did. That's the thing, and I think it was just that at that time, it was one of those things where I think, now I've got so much more of a clearer view of where I am and where I want to go, because at that time I'd made a record because I was in love with Nashville and it was very much like It's not like I didn't but we didn't go to any record labels. We didn't do any of that with it. We just put

it out. So now I'm going to um to petition to play Madison Square Garden, to headline to Greek So if you could help me with that, No, I mean, the album's coming out and were we are, like you said, you know you and we have talked about this where I sit in the scheme of music and it's kind of on the outskirts of we're going for that kind of world of you know, Triple A and all that kind of stuff, and I just want to I want

to be on the road. I want to build up my own life following because I've gotten to open with some great people. But I really want to get you know, I want to start touring a lot and digging a lot so I can start to build my audience here. And you know, this record is bold lyrically and I just kind of I've got a few things that I want to do along with it and just show people hold a new side to me that they may not have seen before. But I have a good team of

people now, and I've never had that before. I've never had people actually working to get my music out to the world. And it feels really really great. Well, when it comes out, I'm there for you. Thank you. I will be there for you. Well, it has been thanks for coming by. I think I said, you've probably been in twenty episodes where you've been a reference of something from a couple. By the way, I don't say anything

bad because you're on a podcast. Yeah yeah, don't Yeah, don't don't say anything that you don't want her buy a few people, okay, go So yeah, well, well well you may you may hear this after August. The record maybe out right now, and it's called e g oh why why why would you call it? Everybody gets on. It's actually a good question because where I was at I was like sometimes the fame and the the like.

We were talking about attention from people and the fickle audience that will be like, Okay, I love that everyone's clamoring to say how can I stand out? How can I rise above it all? And sometimes that takes you to places that I think people shouldn't have to go. And it's talking about everyone is drinking the cool aid of this fame thing that, and I'm guilty of it too.

It was really not poking fun in anyone other than really myself saying sometimes I get caught up in things that I shouldn't get caught up in, and you get caught up for doing something for the wrong reasons, And it really is that. It's a kind of tongue in cheek of being at a party. It says, how how can I help you? How now I've fought me on lyrics, but saying like when you go to a party and

someone says, what are you doing? They're trying to find a way that you can help them, or everyone can get connected to for some contrived reason, and it's really talking about that. A lot of the record is talking about finding what's real to you in your life and what you want the fraudulent things you want to get rid of. I'm not looking for you for anything to boost me up. Come on, tell me the real reason. Like so, it's been a real treat, a lot of pre talk he did. It was great, none of your

truth session. Okay, I'm moving, but yeah, I'll be moving in here. You can, Yeah, you can have it all right, Well, we'll see you next time. Thanks to our sponsors. Are you coming back next time? He said, all right, thanks our sponsor's Blue Apron and Zola, two things I know you're gonna check out as soon as this is over, I'm going to go eat food and weather. Yeah, I'll see you next time here on the Bobby get yep