EP: 348 Nephilim Magick & Ritual Workings with Troy Brewer

The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person. is right, because if one person's right, it busts the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen cherry. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event.

And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, we're back. We're back in the basement. We're back in the... You know, in 1985 here, hanging out with Troy Brewer. We're going to take this podcast episode all over the place. You've probably seen some... Reels around Instagram, Troy talking about all the weird stuff. And we're going to get into the weird stuff today, whether it's rescuing kids around the world, prophecy, numbers, my favorite.

I was a great math student. You were as a rec major. You were a great math guy. Or Nephilim conversations, which seem to do really well these days. And people are always digging into these ancient topics, trying to figure out how do we think about this in a modern context. So welcome to the show.

Troy Brewer. Thanks for coming in. Man, I can't believe it, man. Honestly. Three years I've been working on this, Troy. Yeah. Thank you guys so much, man, for having me out. Thank you. Yeah. You got any thoughts on Bigfoot? Okay, so here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Let's hear it. Okay, so knowing, of course, because I'm a big fan of Listen, and I knew that you guys were going to ask me this.

I, yeah, I do have some thoughts on it. Number one, I have, I have never seen Bigfoot. I never have now seen some stuff, but Bigfoot's not one of them. My, my son and I have a pact because we go bear hunting in Northern Canada every year. Like if we see him, we're going to blast him.

And I know that that might be offensive to y'all or somebody else. Not at all, actually. Someone's got to drag a body in. You already put yourself in the crosshairs with what you do, so I think this is probably going to be comfortable for you. Okay, well. Well, yeah, I do. I have some wild thoughts about it because first of all, I'm not surprised that people see scary things in the day that we live in. And what I mean by that is Jesus said in the last days.

you're going to see scary things. And I got to give you this verse, okay? So this is Jesus predicting Bigfoot. All right. Yeah, Jesus Christ. That's new. Yeah, I want to add something new here. So it's actually Luke 21, verse 11. And Jesus says, in the last days, Jesus said,

And he says this, and great earthquakes shall be in diverse places. Y'all know that verse and famines and pestilence. And it says in fearful sites and great signs shall there be in the heavens. The word fearful sites here is phobotra. And phobotra means scary monsters. That's what phobotra means. So Jesus says, and this comes from my good friend Rick Renner. He actually pointed this out to me.

And great earthquakes, diverse places, famines, pestilence, fearful sights. So when it says fearful sights, he says, and people are going to see scary monsters, that that's going to be an end time sign.

And so it doesn't surprise me, man, that people see really scary and blurry things throughout there. Jesus said that we would in these days. It's picking up, you think? Oh, yeah. No, it's definitely ramping up. It's all ramping up. Some people aren't scared. We have some people on that are actually like, they've...

they've said bigfoot was was more than mildly attractive like kind of like a brad pitt covered in hair okay we actually had a weird weird interview like that so yeah everyone's scared troy well bigfoot's on the fence a little bit so if well

The thing is, man, when it comes to things that are Nephilim, that they tend to be extremely beautiful as well. In other words, I should say beautiful, but really attractive, that there's something about them that you just go, whoa, that's so cool. It's so awesome because they're... godlike yeah and at the same time they're horrifying every email we get is in that category usually bigfoot's the only thing that's sort of like it was kind of interesting you know but dog man

You know, the insectulines, gray alien, all the other things that people report encountering. It's not a good, friendly, fun, oh, I'm excited to see this thing. It's a huge disruptor. Yeah. It'll crash your entire paradigm. But it's terrifying. You know what I'm saying? Some people are excited to see Big Flip. None of the other paranormal creatures people are excited to see. If anything, they have sort of PTSD with it.

their whole life falls apart some people actually like sort of lose everything kind of go into a you know a state of crisis in their own personal lives but well whenever we look at okay so on the way up here i was talking to my friends and and we were talking about the the problem that people have with it

in the Western side of the world is that when we think of spiritual things, we do not think of spiritual things having a physicality. And that's a problem because when we think of spiritual things, we think of a poof. Everything's got to be a poof. Well, Jesus comes walking into the room with the door closed, and then he sits down and he eats, and he says, handle me and see that I'm flesh and blood, and then he disappears. Okay, so what is that? It is this ability to be able to...

go back and forth from a total spiritual being to a total physical being. And I think that a lot of these creatures have the ability to do that.

So if we're going to go the Nephilim route, if we're going to think, okay, this has got to have some kind of Nephilim route to it. Okay, let's just look at the different species. Another big problem that we have is that we think, okay,

If it's an angel, then it's going to be seven foot tall and it's going to have blonde hair and it's going to have a big O sword. And if it's not an angel, then it has to be a demon. And again, those are Western ideas of just how we kind of wrapped our head around this, but it's not biblical. Just within the Bible canon, you can find all these different species.

in the realm of what you and I would call angels. And so messenger class angels, you guys know those, right? Okay. You got warring angels, you got cherubim, which cherubim are all about sacred space. Okay. So they're like sacred space angels.

And then you have seraphim. Those are worship. They're all about an environment of worship. Then you have archangels. That, of course, they're taking leadership roles, right? So it talks about that. Then you have guardian angels. You have judgment angels. And 2 Kings 9. where one angel shows up, kills 185,000 Assyrians. And then in the book of Ezekiel, he says, I will send the hornets before you. And those hornets, they're not bees.

They're actually judgment angels. They're warring judgment angels, and the Lord calls them hornets. Murder hornets. The murder hornets, the real ones. Yeah, the real ones, buddy. Murder hornets. And then you've got throne angels, or those are called living creatures.

zoe that are within the bible and like you have like um an example of that is the will within the will that's exactly one you have um i don't know you got okay how about this whenever jesus is born Number one, they follow a star. There's a star class of angels that are known as the stars of heaven. But then, and that's a year and a half or so after Jesus was born, where they find the toddler inside the house. But before that, whenever they were in...

the shepherds filled, the Bible says that they showed that these angels showed up as the hosts of heaven. Well, those are constellations. So there's constellation class angels as well. which is how it that's that's really interesting because when you think about that there's all these weird stuff in ufology where people talk about uh christ from the pleiades and the the plagians and you have these different like

And I always kind of push that aside and get these people are kind of wacky because they're saying they're getting like, you know, kidnapped or abducted and taken to these alien places that are in the constellations. And I hadn't really thought about the idea. I mean, because we contextualize a lot of it on the show as...

you know, angels, right? That's how we can sort of understand the idea of extraterrestrials and UFOs within a biblical worldview, right? And then if you're saying there's a constellation type.

There is a constellation. And that's interesting. We got in real quick, didn't we? We shared a quote by Dr. Michael Heiser the other day. He said, you know, angel and demon are actually very generic terms. That's right. And as you've gone into it.

There's not a lot in the Bible, though, about these things. It seems like there was a pre-knowledge before, and the biblical writers knew what they were talking about, and just kind of started scribbling it down, like, oh yeah, the angels were blah, blah, blah. and we don't have like the book of angels you know we don't have any of that so we don't have the origin story and then we're left to make up and fill the holes and christians do that a lot they fill the holes

to try to explain these things, and we're constantly fighting back on that, saying, no, this thing is its own thing. It's its own thing, and that's fine. Why can't it just be its own thing? It doesn't have to be lumped into this category or that category. Yeah. In the book of Daniel, it actually says, seal these things up until the end time. And so in these last days, when the seals are being broken and all this knowledge is coming back to us. Yeah. And that's another end time quality.

you know so like getting back to the to the constellation you know and the whole thing and that being attached to because okay so how god almighty made the universe he placed the bible says in uh let's see genesis 114 it says it says that on the fourth day he created the sun and the moon and the stars place them in the firmament for signs seasons days and years

So the first reason why, whenever you look at, say, Orion, it only looks like Orion to us. If you were in any other solar system, it wouldn't look like Orion. But the first reason why Orion is where it's at is as a sign to us. It's not the second or third or fourth reason. It's the first reason. And again, that's the 14th verse of our Bible. He created them for signs.

okay so if i'm looking at those and if there are 88 constellations on the heavens and there are there's 88 constellations same as a piano right there's 88 constellations and then there's 12 that the sun passes through So those 12 that the sun passes through are the ecliptic, the heavenly ecliptic that the sun goes through. What we find is that those 12 also match the 12 tribes of Israel. So what is that supposed to do? That means...

That means that within the, I don't know, have you guys ever heard anything like that, that they match the 12 tribes of Israel? No, we've talked about the ages of the Zodiac and how you have the, we are actually coming to the end of an age. We've talked a bit about. the the clock right this is age to age and we are coming to the end yeah which is

Jesus spoke about that, right? Okay, so whenever Moses made his tabernacle in the wilderness, the Bible specifically says that he put three tribes to the north, three tribes to the east, three tribes to the south, and three tribes to the west. And then it names who those are. And he says that he said, I want y'all to place your banners out in front and your ensign upon it, meaning your sign upon it.

Okay? So if you guys just do a word study on ensign, there's only two verses in the Bible that have the word ensign in it. And this one is... It's positioned. It shows their positions. So they had signs that were on it. All right, if you take that, and if you know what those tribes are, and you know what their signs are, and you look directly up, that's exactly the way the constellations work. So Moses actually set up the...

a tabernacle in the wilderness to honor God because it's the story of redemption is actually what it is. And before he had a written Bible, it was written in the heavens because the author is the same. Right?

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So why do you think they're building like pyramids to the Orion's Belt as well? Because it represents tribe and territory. So it represents sacred space and it represents identity or bloodline or purpose. Right. So if you are if you are loyal to. So let's just say you are a cosmic being or a deity that God Almighty created. That is all about Orion. Right. And you say, no, I'm not. going to serve the lord and you get people to serve that then you're going to set up your standard is

you need to know that I come from the heavens and then I'm God and Yahweh is not, and you will serve me. And this is one of the ways that one of the ways that you will acknowledge me and you will serve me. It was like your sigil. Yeah. This is, this is why they laid the pyramids out to. like the belt of orion right and it is like the belt of orion yeah which which is interesting because orion is

Orion is rise, shine for your light has come. The name Orion actually means light. That's what it means. And then if you look at the name, if you look at the names of those stars, and so you have like... The different names of the stars, we all see them as Greek today.

but before the Greeks, so you have the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medes, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, and then you get all the way to the Brits, and then you come to the Americans, which we even renamed some of those. We call it the Big Dipper, right? Yeah. Okay, well, that just...

comes from the hillbillies who were in the 49ers that were going across to California. Cowboy culture. Yeah, man. So, man, they're walking behind. And you've got the Big Dipper on the back of every one of those.

you know to be able to drink water everybody's walking in it not some some hillbilly child looked up and said look paul it's a big dipper and it's stuck but that's actually the seven stars that point to the throne right it's the seven stars it's the seven churches it is that and it points to the one star that everything circles and says holy holy holy is the lord god almighty who you know that's polaris that's a north star in the northern hemisphere in the northern

Look out, buddy. You got the Big Dipper and the Little Dipper out there, you know? You do. Little people and Bigfoot. It's all going in a circle.

Well, getting back to what I think about it. Before I get back to this, the conversation is so interesting. I mean, because we've had... the tabernacle stuff is fascinating the four faces in heaven of the beast and and we've had conversations on the show i think with doug van dorn and the creation of the tabernacle where he talks about those faces actually are the representative of the cardinal directions come on

and the constellations which are on the cardinal directions right so god is telling moses giving moses exact blueprints to build this thing which is supposed to represent his his throne and his in his kingdom in heaven right it's supposed to be the yes the representation of that and it it has constellational cardinal directions within it which is

Fascinating. Now you're talking about 12 tribes having their own. Yeah. It's interesting. I was actually having this thought the other night, Troy. It was like for millennia, man has spent their nights watching the stars. And yet I think in this time.

I mean we spend our nights watching Netflix or whatever it is we spend very little time but that was the thing to track the heavens and and the ancients were had insane like really insanely detailed and technologically advanced specific you know tracking where they they knew all that they knew the not only the ages but where things were going to go and they predicted cataclysms based upon that and and a number of other things and it's just funny that that i think it seems foreign to most people

sitting here in you know in the west we they would these things are even even were part of you know this back to hyzer it's part of this requisite cultural knowledge that existed and he said the bible was written for us but not to us right And I feel like this is all missed by so many. Okay. Well, all right. I wouldn't plan on going this route. And I know that y'all weren't either, but I mean, you guys have got to know this. And so the stars themselves.

Every single one of them has an ancient name and the original names are ancient Arabic and Hebrew. Okay. And the Bible says twice that God is the one who names the stars. So if you look up the names, if you know what the constellation represents. Okay, that's the theme. And then if you look up the name of the stars, it's just like reading the Bible. You're like, what are you talking about?

Like that's not biblical. It is. You know, what did, what did God talk? Where did God take Abraham out to show him his plan of redemption and what the future would be? He showed him, he said, I want to show you the stars. Let's have a talk and let's go look at the stars. And so.

Before it was written in a book form, which is no longer being written in a book form. It's being written in heart form now. We are now the books that God Almighty is writing in. And someday these books will be opened. Amen. We'll stand before the throne and the books will be opened. And we're all living epistles now. But before it was in heart form and before it was in book form, it was in star form. That was what it was.

And then as Romans 1 says, but when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful, but they became vain in their imaginations and professing themselves to be wise. They became fools. And it's like they took those things and they were taught.

by these fallen quote unquote angels, these demons, quote unquote, they were taught to take those things and to worship them so that they would have a leg up upon their own enemies. Yeah, but I like how you said like, you know, they... They started pointing to something else to say, you know, you need to worship me as a semi-divine being. So obviously there was this age where we had semi-divine beings or Nephilim hybrids.

kind of interacting with humans that's kind of been washed from like modern history but you've had interactions with those you've seen them and their debate rages on in christian circles whether this is even a part of the Genesis six narrative is like humans and angelic beings kind of coming together. Yeah.

You know, most of the church until very recently has been very ignorant of the seed war. Yeah. And now it's like a thing. Because again, man, the scroll has been released again. And if... If you look at the 12 constellations, do you know what the first one is? It's Virgo the virgin. It's a virgin that has a seed within her. So it starts at Genesis 3.15, same as in our Bible.

And then it goes from there. The next one is the scales. Okay, so he's going to be a redeemer. The next one after that is a scorpion. So he's going to lay down his life. The next one after that, he raises up from the dead. The next one after that, out of his body, he produces another body. And next one after that.

Aquarius, he pours out his Holy Spirit upon them. And then it ends at Leo, the line of the tribe of Judah, coming back and ruling and reigning forever. So it begins in Genesis, the story in the heavens does, and it ends in the book of Revelation. And it's all about... Through this seed war, I'm going to overcome and I'm taking you guys with me. yeah and so there's this kind of of ignorance of the actual seed war of you know it's impossible for a virgin to have a seed within her

And yet there it is within the heavens. And so it is in Genesis 3.15, the first of the 400 messianic promises in the Old Testament. So are you feeling like all the angelic beings are... It's all one story. They're just trying to create offshoots of that story. Whereas if you look at the ancient aliens crowd, they all tend to think that there's these other creation stories that were around before.

you know genesis oh the sumerians had it right or whatever like but it seems as though that they all know who their dad is where they come from and they can't really create a good narrative they just sort of twist the narrative that

they know to be true yeah because because if you get into the true heavenly story jesus is the hero and that's what they don't want right So if you actually understand the plan of redemption that begins there and it ends there, Jesus is the conquering hero of every single one of those things.

yeah and that's what they want to keep from us whether you serve it right like the enuma leash right you have the serpent is the creator god come on and it's just but it's a language that we don't understand i mean it's when you read the bible and you kind of get into some of the weirder stuff i mean a modern person doesn't know what to do with any of this and obviously a modern baptist church is going to be like

star signs stars yeah that's all the devil yeah numbers yeah it's all the devil you know even you know we were talking about different species of angels do you know that there's an angel in the bible that most people don't know about that his job is in his job is to count everything Have you guys ever heard this? Sounds terrible. Sounds like office space. What is it? Milton in the basement? Like someone took my stapler? Yeah, exactly. Well, his name is Palmanai.

P-A-L-M-O-N-I. And I would encourage all the viewers just to look that up. P-A-L-M-O-N-I. And it's the Hebrew word that is found in Daniel chapter 8. And the King James boys... hated this idea because the Catholics had been worshiping angels. The King James boys were, of course, the Church of England, and they were like, no, no, we don't want to have any additional names of angels in there. So they just call it the one.

That's so weak and so pathetic. Okay, do you know what the name Palmini means? It means the wonderful number of secrets. Kind of an awesome name. It's a great name. Sounds like a band as well. So he's the number of secrets. So everything in heaven is weighed, it's measured, it's counted, and it's all supposed to glorify Jesus. All of it is. So if...

You have a deity that comes in and says, I'm going to tell you about numbers. I'm going to give you this ancient knowledge, and I'm going to send you down this path. The path is to keep you from seeing Jesus. That's what the whole path is about. It's like your favorite movie, National Treasure, Luke.

you know, or rain man where he sees the numbers. I like that one too. But that's how the Bible was written. Cage does make horribly good movies. It feels like the Bible has this code, this prophecy written into it. And a lot of Christians are just afraid.

Or they're like me, they're not math people. And, oh, it just comes back to the gospels. It's all we need to think about. It's all we need to know. But then you have an interaction with something. You see something. Other Christians are like trying to explain the abduction phenomena or the Bigfoot, you know, all these things. And there's this whole group of on either side, modern.

academia that won't accept it and then you have this whole space of spiritual christian people who won't accept it either until you have your own personal experience and then you need an answer and then you need an explanation and then you start going down these these rabbit holes of like and it's just weirder and weirder and weirder and that's why we bring you here wow thank you what an introduction give us you know give us some answers to the weird because the amount of creatures that

you know describe angels in the bible that's the kind of stuff that we get emailed you know i saw this hat man in my in my room or you know just like bizarre things that christians like what is that is that an entity is that a specific like hybrid of some kind or is it just a spirit it just gets weirder and harder to classify these things

I heard my friend Dave Bryan, who I'm good friends with. I love him. And he's awesome. He's a wild man. He is a wild man. He said he was going to meet with Bigfoot on top of Mount Shasta at one point. I don't think it's happened yet. And I had never heard of him until I heard y'all show on him. Okay. And that was the first time.

and i was like i gotta look this dude up now like we're we're real good friends and but i heard him say on y'all's broadcast that there is it is estimated that that that there are 50 million species of you know you know kingdom final class order family genus and species right that there's estimated 15 50 up on this planet we've only discovered about 15 million because we don't know the depths of the oceans we don't know you know the bugs in amazon

And imagine how many species there are of things fallen and unfallen. Holy is just like in the book of Daniel where it talks about, I saw a holy watcher come down. Okay, that refers to... The Watcher class angels, right? He says, come down. And he laid an axe at the tree. So he's cutting down all these ancient giant trees that were portals, right? You guys know about that. Yeah, yeah. And so that's highly debated. Well.

It's in the Bible. So like Devil's Tower in Wyoming, a lot of people believe that. No doubt, no doubt in my mind. That's a tree stump. There's no doubt in my mind that that's a tree stump. And you can call me nuts all you want. And me and Schwartz have been up there. In fact, all four of us have been up there. Troy Bride is entourage, so people are listening. And they're like, well, you see, you got these hexagonal. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well.

I was just in Ireland here just a few months ago. Did you go to the Giants Causeway? Yeah. So I went to Giants. That's the homeland for us. It also has the hexagon rocks there. Yes. and so it's the same thing there and they say no that's not the bark of a tree that's some kind of hexagon okay

With these ancient portals that have now become fossilized, and I know about fossilized things. I'm from Glen Rose, Texas. There we go. There we go. We're going to get into that. Let's go. And that's where this brother lives. We need a seven-hour episode, really. We have blurry time. these hexagon structures and they they do what christians do when they don't know how they just mix something up yeah yeah

They just make something up, and then they expect you to believe it because they're 50-pound heads and they're smart when you're obviously looking at a tree. Well, Troy, I like that because—

People will say there's those giant spheres all over the, you know, in certain places. There's one in, there's a bunch in Antarctica. There's some in Brazil. And they look like just perfectly round, you know, stones. And they're like, how do they make all these? They're all over the place. It looks like a giant seed.

And where would a giant seed come from? A giant tree or bush or something like that? Like a big oak pole? Is that what you're saying? It's basically just like a, you know, just, you know, a seed that would fall from a tree. Yeah, yeah, giant acorn. But it's...

Portal. We didn't even get into that. Why is that a portal? Let's talk about that real quickly. You said these trees are portals. Yeah. Well, the fable for it is Jack and Beanstalk. Yeah, exactly. That's the fable, right? And the whole thing is about you have to lay the axe to the tree, which is what the book of Daniel describes when it's Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Yeah. So that you can keep the giant from coming from one place to another place. Oh, I see. Okay.

Right. So the Giants came back through the trees. They climb down them. They're trees, but they're not just trees. They're sacred space. They're spiritual places where you can move from one place to another place. And the Word of God describes it as... all the animals lived under it and all the, all the birds lived in it, you know, and it just gives us. Like Avatar. Yeah. It is very much Avatar. And he stole that.

is yeah it's very much so yeah man when you go whenever you look at whenever you look at that place there's no doubt in my mind that that was a tree but i got a couple of those in my yard i need removed you know like i know exactly what i'm looking at you know i've got like 10 that are let's not talk about trees dads and tree stumps but yeah it definitely looks like a tree

them to me. And I've always thought that. And also too, whenever God curses something or when something is cursed, it tends to turn to stone. And that principle is all the way through the word of God. And so I think that a lot of these giants were actually turned to stone as well, as were these ancient trees once that they were...

once they were cut down. It didn't take millions and millions and millions of years for that to happen. It could actually happen instantly. And yeah, it stands as a monument. And we walk past it. We walk past these kinds of things every day, but we're told, don't look at that. That's not what you think it is. That's just your mind playing tricks on you because we know science now and we know what that is.

no it's all it's all being unveiled now yeah how do you fit in these spaces for you personally because what we'll get to and we'll talk about is like not only do you pastor a church but you are on the you're the tip of the spear in a lot of ways in human trafficking which what we do get into and that plays into our nephilim giant talk here and also our angelic talk and all the things we've already sort of covered but glenrose texas of course we know that we've talked we've talked to travis

Roy down there, and that is a place where dinosaur footprints are in stone alongside giant human or giant footprints, which now are... Yeah. Look at them there and they're, and they're no longer around of course. But, um, yeah, it's like you go from just typical pastor and we've interviewed a lot of them and we've tried to help them open that door a little bit.

you know, getting like guys like Lee Strobel in here that are really good at the forensic side of Christianity of like, this is why you should trust Jesus and the stories about Jesus. But you're like, wow, there's also aliens, Bigfoot, Nephilim, hybrids, giant trees, constellations. and the whole prophecy code, where does that door open for you? Is that what you're trying to say? Kind of, yeah. Thanks for that one. Not enough coffee yet, I guess. Well, okay. So it's easy. I can define it.

I graduated high school in 85, joined a Christian rock band, and I got saved and joined a Christian rock band in 86. And we took off, and I was with Word Records, and then I was with Murr for a little while.

I got married. We started having babies like jackrabbits. And I'm like, OK, I can't be on the road all time. This is not going to be good. So we built a food bank. And in the midst of the food bank, you know, you get involved in some cutting edge stuff. You know, I mean, there's people that are possessed and there's people that have issues and things like that.

but from building that food bank we started building food banks all over the world and um i have just have a knack for building food banks and i got hooked up with pat robertson from the semi hunter club he trusted me with millions and millions and millions of pounds of food through operation blessing

And I just started building food banks all over the world. And it was in the context of building food banks that I was in Costa Rica. We just built a food bank. We were doing a lot of work in trash dumps all over the world, feeding people and doing that sort of thing. And I came across this woman. She had these two beautiful little Nicaraguan refugee children. And they were beautiful little girls about nine years old or so. And she was talking to me and she said, hey.

And I said, hey, and so she's speaking in Spanish and I'm catching about one out of every 20 words. And then I finally understood what she was saying. She was asking me if I wanted to buy those two little girls. And then she told me, you can make a movie. Wow. And they're just hobbits. You know, they're little sticks. They're skinny. They're hungry. They're hurting. And I saw that and I was like, yeah, I'll buy them right now. How much? Just this.

This calm came on me. At first, I just wanted to... You know, I wanted to be like a cartoon and just jump in 20 different places at one time because I was a middle-aged white guy that fit the profile of a sexual tourist stomping around in a really bad part of town. So she assumed that that was what I was.

And right as I started to panic, right as I started to freak out, just a calm came upon me. And it was just the Lord, just a perfect calm came upon me. And I went, oh, yeah, yeah, I'll buy them right now. How much? And she said $120 for both of them. I reached my bill phone and I had exactly 120 bucks. And that means something to me. I'm talking about to the dollar.

That was exactly how much I had. And I was like, man, the Lord put that in my wallet. And 120 in the Bible, all the way through the Bible, is when God shows up and changes everything. That's why there's 120 in the upper room. It took no 120 years to build the ark, et cetera, et cetera, right? It's like when God shows up and changes everything.

everything man 120 is there it's number of the years to remember those years on on man that's right buddy and so I so we I bought him I grabbed him by the hand went walking across I went and found my wife, Leanna, and I said, look what I just bought. And we got those two little girls in the car and they were starving and they were sick and they were diseased and we didn't know what to do with them.

I connected with another guy, and he had a children's home. Make a long story short, we spent the day with him that day. We fed him. We talked to him. We cleaned him. We got him new clothes. And I took him over to this place. And then we just started supporting them. Well, they're in their 40s now, those two little girls are. They're in their 40s now, and they've got their kids, and they have grandkids now. From there, the next time I was in a trash dump,

The next time I was there, which was in Matamoros, Mexico, I knew, I bet you I come across some kids, man, that need to be bought. And sure enough, I spotted them. Walked over and said, hey, is this child for sale? Yep, bought them.

And then another, another, another. So then we started having to build infrastructure and I'm getting, I'm going to tell you how, how all this got blurry. Okay. So we started building infrastructure and then we started doing a great work in Uganda and we've been in Uganda now for 30 years.

And then we started doing work in the Amazon. Then we had to build schools. Then I had to start getting gun licenses. And I had to start hiring all these teams and next level guys, you know, for all the security. And I had to start learning how to do that internationally.

And then we did a huge work in India, a huge work in Nepal. And here's what I discovered. These girls that I would buy and rescue in Nepal and in India and in Uganda, all over Central America and in Mexico, had been through the same exact ritual abuse. And there was no way that they were connected from one side of the world to the other side of the world. They had gone through, they told the same stories.

They had gone through the same exact thing, and I couldn't deny it, and I couldn't ignore it, and I had to start jumping in. And when I jumped in, what I found was way deeper and way bigger. And then I had to find a biblical world. What is this? Where is this at in the Bible? And once you see it, you cannot unsee it. And it took me out of a stained glass situation into the world that we actually live in today.

That is heavy. What is it that you uncovered? What is that ritual? Well, the rituals themselves, you know, are different. It has to do with Nephilim sex magic. And it has to do with the blood of children and it has to do with traumatization to fracture them in such a way that they can literally be used as portals, not only for demons, but also for next level sorcerers, that they literally jump from one kid to another kid to another kid.

We tend to think that only demons can possess people, but next level sorcery, that's what they attempt to do. They literally will fragment a child in such a way and traumatize them habitually and systematically. traumatize them in ways that are also ceremonial. for the spiritual side of it. They build up iniquitous bloodlines. So they'll go, they'll take one child, impregnate that child, impregnate it, and they carry that on until they get to a certain generation. And then they do workings.

And so workings, you can buy a working, which is a manifold of a whole bunch of different kinds of magical things. And rich people and Luciferians and globalists pay big money for that, for workings.

For next level, because at a working, man, you might get a revelation on Tesla. You might get a revelation on something that is that groundbreaking. And they're commodities. They're like cattle. Children are like cattle throughout the world. And they're used for this. You know, over 8 million children a year disappear. I mean, just disappear. That's not the kids in the system. That's where nobody knows where they go. There's like an ungodly amount of...

kids have disappeared into the U.S. Yeah. Since the borders were open and now it's closed. Even even since, you know, there's over 350,000 children that were in our system in the four years of the Biden administration and the open borders that they've disappeared.

And so we have found somewhere between 11 and 14,000 of those children. I just recently had the privilege of meeting with the in D.C. I got to go to the West Wing and I got to meet with the guy that's in charge of the borders and all those kinds of things.

and they're and they're actively trying to find them but when they find these kids it's so horrific what's going on with them that they don't want to report it yeah they don't they don't want to tell everybody and so in the midst of me rescuing kids and we've rescued over 11 000 kids now um and so we're we're

We'll probably hit 12,000 kids. And we've also raised those kids. I came across this and I couldn't get away from it. And then once I confronted it, that's when all the blurry stuff started happening. It's interesting how like every single... sort of walk of life or profession you have you know you start a podcast about trying to figure out what bigfoot is and then you have

women coming on and then in their late 50s telling about sra and you're like this isn't what we set out to do we want to figure out what this creature was and all of a sudden we're getting sort of this crash course into this horrific thing that a lot of children go through, or you're a scientist or you're a theologian like Dr. Michael Heiser, you're like, I want to figure out what Psalm 82 means. And then you open, oh wow, like we've missed.

this whole narrative and it sounds like you were just trying to be a good old boy help some people next thing you know you're buying kids these guys have an ancient religion that they all practice and it goes back and i'm a christian And how do I reconcile what's happening to my faith? And next thing you know, people are probably telling you like they tell us the weirdest, craziest stuff. And then the kids finally get to an age where they're healthy and they tell you.

what's going on maybe probably too i'm guessing right they're they're directly telling you when a child in india tells you tells you okay They took me into a room, and these good-looking guys came in, and then they turned into animals. They turned into monsters. I don't know what they were. And then a child in Mexico tells you that. A child in Central America tells you that. A child all over the world. They all tell you.

there was this they went in this room of people there was a whole bunch of people they were watching they took these children to an altar and the altar is a bed and we have ran into altars that are beds all over the planet earth just like in the bible the the bed of king og right the altar that they took as a trophy to shut down that portal and king og being nephilim

Right? And I mean, that's a biblical principle. I mean, this reminds me when we talked, there's an episode we did with Derek Gilbert where we talked about ziggurats and at the top of the ziggurat. Was a bed. That's exactly right. And it is the same exact dimensions of King Hog's bed that's listed in the Bible. Derek is also a good friend of mine. So you started to shift. You started to like...

What year was that when you started to go, this is strange and wacky? Early 90s, mid 90s. And there's not a lot of information.

yeah exactly right al gore hadn't even invented the internet all right chuck missler was just but i mean but real quick i mean people will say that's the skinwalker phenomenon right so that's cool on the history channel after midnight you know skinwalker ranch episodes but you're you're taking that to the next level and say oh these people turn into these skinwalker creatures and we've heard that yep um and we don't know what to do with that we follow that into like

I don't know how to have that conversation yet. It takes you to have that conversation. And then they show up at your house. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then they show up at your house and then you have all kinds of craziness starts happening. And you got nobody in the early 90s. You got nobody in the world to talk to about this. And everybody just says, well, it's just demonic. OK, it is demonic. It's demonic in spirit.

But the physicality and the next level smart that they have and the freak out that comes with it was so high level. And so, I mean, even in Pentecostal circles, I didn't have anybody in the world to talk to about all this. So here's how we built a circle. We started saying, come go with us. And they would go, what just happened? And we're like, yeah.

and uh and and this is before you know we discovered michael hauser this is before obviously way before you guys you know but he's in a theological circle you know so he's not on boots on the ground delivering people from these things so you're saying just to back up a little bit there's sorcerers which are humans yes practicing witchcraft absolutely and then there are demons using people as well which are spirits yes unclean spirits that are ancient

and those are two different things and those are two different they're they're jumping from child to child almost like um they just invented that new uh um text communication where you can go from bluetooth phone to phone to phone you don't need internet anymore to send text messages that's a new thing that just came out i think the guy that jack dorsey the guy the twitter guy just invented that but they're doing that

on a spiritual plane jumping from kid to kid to kid what's the point what are they trying to do are they trying to travel are they trying to they travel they also to like you know so if they send a girl from one place to another place they can literally portal from where they're at

You know, a lot of people would call that like transcendental meditation, but it's not. It's something like that. It's something like transcendental meditation, but it's not. It's something completely different because they actually own them as territory. They literally own them as territory. They have a legal right. Yes, a human being to own them as territory. But when the Bible says that we're temples, he's not playing. We are meant to be sacred space.

All of us are. And one of the ways that you slap Jesus in the face and you pervert all that is literally turn human beings into your sacred space for your domination, for your dominion, for your spiritual awareness.

Right. And yeah, that's high level sorcery. And then I'm just going to I'll throw this out there. And again, I know a lot of this has already sounded crazy to a lot of people. But but I mean, we had next level. We.

We had, you know, my son is in here. I mean, we had next level witchcraft come against us that was not, it wasn't witchcraft in the sense of it was spooky witchcraft. It was witchcraft in the sense of we're going to set you up to die. And so me and my son got kidnapped when we were in India. when he was 16 years old. And that's a wild story. But God Almighty saved us. We literally got in a fist fight with people that kidnapped us and we just whooped their butts.

Let's go. And then, yeah. And like, okay. I asked Jesus what I do. And God, I mean, I heard God say. You're like Liam Neeson, bro. We got some skills. So back to the story, mid-90s, you start having groups of people go on some of these missions. I don't know what else to call them. And you're starting to spread the awareness before we can all connect in the digital age of some of the deeper and more nefarious things that go on in the kingdom of darkness. Yeah.

And you're starting to spread that awareness. Yeah. And in the midst of that, we're raising these kids. So we're having to deal with the trauma because it's very traumatic. You know, like we just rescued three days ago, we rescued a nine-year-old little boy. Okay. I'm sorry. No, we rescued a nine-year-old little girl three days ago. And then two days before that, we rescued like a 10-year-old little boy. The story of this little girl is so bad.

I mean, I don't even want to say it publicly. It's so bad. And so we were dealing with the trauma of knowing these kids, raising these kids, and knowing what their stories were. And then once they started telling us how they were recruited, how they were recruited and what they went through and what else was going on in the room at the same time. We started hearing the same thing. And then we started experiencing these things. These jokers started showing up.

And they showed up in different ways. And I'll take you through that. People or entities or hybrids? Yeah, it's both. And we're literally, you know, you hear a noise in the room, boom, you turn on a light. Dude, I'm talking about a dude standing at the foot of my bed and and he's.

And he's an Amazon witch. And I knew I recognized him as soon as I saw him because we just got back. Ben and I just got back from the Amazon and we came across this next level witch when we always pay on money. We always become friends with them. We become buds so that they'll let us.

of their territory so that we can rescue kids in there. But this guy was not a cultural witch. This guy was the real deal. He's next level sorcerer. And I made a bunch of covenants with him and I didn't mean to. I offered him my friendship. That's a covenant. And I gave him money. He gave me. He also gave me some stuff. He put stuff around my wrist.

We went into a bunch and he took advantage of my friendship. He took advantage of my generosity because he knew what he was doing. He wanted me to make covenants with him so that he would have legal rights. To show up. And that joker showed up in my house. And I'm talking about. What happens when he shows up?

I think he was trying to murder me. What do you do in that situation, Troy? What happens in that story? I turn on the light and I went, what the? And he was like shocked that I saw him. Whatever he was gone. He was gone. And so what happened with us, man? We went down there and we confronted him.

You have to break those legalities. Yeah, exactly right. You got to break all those legalities. I have a good friend of mine by the name of Robert Henderson. He's got a book called The Courts of Heaven, and I'm on a board with him. And I called him. I said, what did I do? So I told him, I said, bro, this was not a spirit.

the dude and he goes oh yeah Troy I've had that happen to me man those jokers show up man they show up he goes he's trying to murder you you know that I called Jamie Galloway bro that dude's like trying to murder you i've had them show up in my room too i call patricia king oh troy yes he's trying to murder you that needs to be dealt with i'm like what the heck i've never heard of this before but they're always showing up in people's bedrooms that seems to be

The number one story that is sent to us in various forms. They're cowards. Don't think they're brave. They're actually slaves. And they're cowards. And they want to get away with what they're doing. And they don't want any resistance. They just want you just to take it. But they're traveling through using people.

as portals to get from one place to another yeah so we had this um last week um we just i just got back from chiapas mexico mexico city i got to speak to mexican congress which was cool. And before that, we were in Guatemala and three of those guys over there, we all took tiny planes, flew across the Chiapas Mountains. And we were actually invited into Rebel Stronghold. And this is like, what is this, like three weeks ago, guys? Those two, just, I mean, very recent.

We always think of like punks with guns. No, no, no, no. I mean, they have their own cities. They have like, like here in the United States, I would liken it unto like an American Indian tribal. place like okay a reservation it's very much like a res very much like that so the government has no authority the government doesn't go in there um they have no standing army basically yeah and so you go in there they have a police they have a school system

They have their own religion. Their religion is different, and I'll tell you about that. They have their own church. I mean, they got trash trunks going around. They got a full-blown market. They have their own economy, and it's 1,000% rebel-controlled. The whole thing. And you can't go in there.

You cannot physically tread on their place unless they invite you in. And then even then, you have to tell the Mexican government, hey, I've been invited and they got to give you a special pass and they got to stamp it. So whenever you get there.

They know what's happening. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then whenever you get there, then they – so you have to have the permission of the federal government of Mexico, and then you have to have the permission of the guy that's running the place. Just a few weeks ago, the three of us were invited in there, so we went. We did not know what to expect. We did not. And we were invited into this. We went there. We went to a church.

Inside this church, there's not a single pew. They do animal sacrifices and witchcraft on the floor. We witnessed the animal sacrifices. There's the three of us here. We witnessed that. We went in there. We saw it. And would I say it's a blurry place?

Brother, brother is next level. What's happening there? Yeah. I mean, obviously that's, that's, so you're talking high level witchcraft. We're talking sacrifices and people come from all over the world. Is this packaged as like Santeria? Is it packaged as? It's packaged as Catholicism. But the church that they're in is a 500-year-old church. I mean, we went in there.

But it is a place where children are sacrificed, where children are sold, where children are abused. And they literally invited us in here and said, you want to see what you're messing with? Come here. What do you see? Yeah. What happens in those places? Well, what we saw, and I mean, we had a very cordial visit, nothing. And, you know, I want to say this just a few months ago, there were eight Christians that went to this place. They went in there uninvited.

they got there to the place they were rounded up in front of the church and they were murdered and they were left there nobody went to prison over that nobody went to jail over that and we were very aware of that going into that like if these guys decide just to rise up and kill us you know

We have no recourse. There's not anything you can do. Let me ask you all this question then. Why are you invited? A couple of different reasons. We're very well known down there. We've been down there for years and years and years. We've rescued thousands of kids there. We have been very good to...

You have to understand that there are cultural people, just like there's cultural witches. They grow up in that. That is their culture. That's their family. That's all that they know. And you can make alliances with a lot of those people. and help take care of them and they'll always let you in they'll always let you out if you get into trouble they will you know get they'll they'll bail you out they'll get you out of trouble and it's good to have those kinds of alliances but

The level that is above that is not even from that region. It's from all over the world. And so they bring in, they ship in Europeans from all over the planet Earth. They go in that church, and they'll be in there for days, and they come out, and then they leave. And who knows what kind of...

Who knows? Are they doing rituals in there? Are they doing workings? They're doing workings. And so they actually call them workings, don't they, guys? I think that some people listening probably have a... In their mind, they think... At the top level of evil, it's disorganized and there's no like, yeah. And so when you, I mean, you get into some of these rabbit holes, you realize it's very orderly. It's very like, it runs like its own country inside of a country. I mean.

a lot of people will say that about the masonic lodge and how it all there's like rules and there's a book and there's a you know what i mean so i think we as christians sometimes think well the kingdom of darkness is just this chaotic mess and it's just out to kill and destroy it's like yeah but it's be very calculated in how it does that right and it's very religious it is it's extremely religious yeah and

I mean, it was both heartbreaking and it was terrifying, and it was also eye-opening to be in there, to see families that are paying these shaman.

or whatever little bit of money that they have while they're doing these workings on the floor of this church and they're doing blood sacrifice and you need to understand okay this is where The pornography industry comes out of. This is where our whole fentanyl epidemic we have and all this drug abuses here. See, man, when you watch pornography, you're tapping into that spirit. Pornography becomes a portal.

When you take this pharmakeia, when you take this drug, there's witchcraft involved with all of that. And agreements. Yes, and agreements. Brother. You know, the word of God says that legally, not only those who commit such atrocities, but those who are entertained by it get judged. But those who are entertained by it. You know, I promise you, if you're watching pornography, you're funding that. Because it's all monetized.

2,000%. It's all monetized. It is highly monetized. And if you're watching pornography, you're either watching a crime scene or you're funding a crime scene. Funding trafficking, too. Yeah, that's exactly right. And the track that all pornography takes you down.

is to abuse children. Because you got to keep ramping up and keep ramping up and keep ramping up until finally you get to kids. So can you explain a working? Because my... point of reference for that is jack parsons we talked about the babylon working which is probably the famous one if anyone listens or is in the space knows about them

Crowleyism, opening a portal, there's something comes through, looks like a gray. There's this whole thing that happens where they're trying to, I think their attempt was to try to get knowledge and which is part of maybe a working in general, but like explain that.

the difference between that and a and maybe just a hate to say run-of-the-mill ritual right which is also horrific but what are they doing in the difference there because i think what's playing down and what you're talking about is like let me let me try to do this and see and you can correct me but kids are going missing kids are trafficked kids are trafficked for rituals these rituals are are highly organized and highly specific and they

brutalized children it's just horrible to say being dads here you know but they brutalize children to a point where they sounds like they're kind of stacking magic if you will or power to a point where they do a big a big thing and that is that like the working It is. Yeah. When you're talking about Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard, which is where Scientology comes from and all that kind of stuff that they went out in the desert to do a working.

And so they didn't just go out there with a mind to perform a ritual. They went out there with the legal right of multiple rituals. And what they were hoping to do was to open. They're literally going after a jailbreak. That's what they're doing. And so the whole principle of the jailbreak is, we can discuss that, but they literally want to open up a portal of hell.

You know, it's Nephilim pit magic, okay, which always involves Nephilim sex magic. So there was all kinds of sexual shenanigans that went on out there. You can't, I don't know how in the world you could do a working without there being multiple blood. different kinds of blood.

And so they do. They stack it up. They stack it up. Instead of cashing in at one level, they stack it up, stack it up, stack it up, stack it up. And they cash in all at one time to make a power play in hopes of opening a portal to let something out that will give them a leg up.

Okay, let's talk about that. So when you say, first off, when you say Nephilim, is it Nephilim in...

knowledge or is it Nephilim? Are there actually hybrid beings involved in the process? Yeah, that's a great question, man. Because it's both. Not everything that is Nephilim is, you know, chimera. Not everything that is Nephilim like... it is is involves the uh you know the okay it's it's half human it's a hybrid between something else and something else and something else that manifests like that a lot of the nephilim is actually bloodlines

Okay, so it's about being hidden within a bloodline. Now, how you feed those bloodlines is you build up iniquity in other bloodlines and you commit sacrifices towards those bloodlines. So how do you commit iniquity? Okay, so you can, like we know that the Word of God says that the iniquity of the fathers will be passed down to the fourth generation, right? So that's a biblical principle. Iniquity is a really big deal. And iniquity is not a transgression.

So we know that he was bruised. So he was bruised for our iniquities. Jesus bled on the inside for our inside sin, and he was wounded for our transgression. So he bled on the outside for how we transgress. Those are two different.

blood principles transgression is one kind of sin iniquity is another kind of sin and man they love to bank upon iniquity so they build it they do it on purpose they'll take one generation and they will defile a human being in such a way and have them commit atrocities and then they give birth from the moment that that child is born they do the same exact thing they grow up that child in the system and then they have them but and they're waiting for an iniquitous power play

When you say they, this is kind of Nate's question. This sort of systematic abuse has to be highly organized. Yeah, so what do you do whenever you rescue a kid in Nepal? that is a white girl she's got blonde head and blue eyes and she's from south africa and her name begins with l and then you rescue another kid in uh uganda that is also a white girl

And like, what is a white girl from South Africa being among these kids? And her name begins with L. And then you rescue another kid in Cambodia, and then you rescue several in Central America, and they are all kids from South Africa, and their names begin with L. Okay, you either connect those dots or you ignore it.

And you go, what are these kids doing in these porno rings? What are they doing? And what is that all about? So there is actually a woman that goes to our church. Her name is Elson. And she is also from South Africa. She, Doug Riggs actually walked her through being deprogrammed. You guys actually knew Doug Riggs. Yeah, Doug on the show. And I was like, what is that? All these people from South Africa. Okay, those people. are bred to literally

to be in performance and to be subjugated to this ritual abuse. And then some of them rise up out of it and become, they're still in it, but become like these next level phenoms. And it's like... I mean, can you guys think of, I can think of a couple of other people's names that begins with L and they're from South Africa. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Well, it's funny, Stranger Things, it grows. Yeah, and her name is Elle, right? And she has this telecom. I even think about, we had that episode with Dr. Laura Sanger. She's from South Africa. And they just call her Elle, and she's from South Africa. I want to tell you, I was driving down the road with Ben.

When I heard that, I nearly wrecked. It was the first time I had ever, ever heard of anybody else. We kept coming across them all over the world. Troy, that stuff is like, I mean, for the normal... person, let alone the normal Christian who has even somewhat of a supernatural worldview, right? Because as Christians, we do. Wherever that lands, this stuff is so very hard.

to still believe in some ways i mean it's hard for us it's hard sometimes to be like man this is it's the dark is so dark that it feels like you kind of have this cognitive dissonance where you're just like okay but i believe that but do like getting there is a whole nother thing to be like yeah that's 100 happened it's like wow i mean our show i feel like we started in some of these weeds and then we had to have a lot of talks together of like

I feel like there's this truth that's supposed to come out via Blurry Creatures that isn't sort of what we signed up for. But it was like... You know, you jump in the weeds with Dan Duvall or something. He starts saying, you know, the soul's fractured. And we're just like, whoa, we just asked you about Bigfoot. And now we're over here. And I think that...

We've tried to bridge the gap between what you do and the average truck driver out there listening to this podcast, driving around going, okay, I'm ready to hear and learn these things. Big confessional is Tony Merkel driving a truck, as he always says. But, you know, but it's so hard to jump down. So we kind of pepper it in here and there. But we're with you. I'm not sure if our listeners are. I think a lot of them are.

But it's so hard for even us, even now, five years into this to go, I don't really understand how that works. I can help you. The depravity of evil is so hard to fathom. You cannot be impressed with the evil. No, you cannot be. You have to you have to resolve no matter what I learn. I'm not going to be impressed. I've had to actually repent.

to the Lord so many times because I was just so impressed with the evil. And I mean, just so blown away. I just went, God, I don't even know what to like. No, no, no, no, no. I know the Lord. And where sin does abound, grace does much more abound. This has always been going on. It's just I'm just now becoming aware of it. And you answer evil with the goodness of God. And I want to tell you, man, dude, we raised these kids. We've raised over 11,000 of these kids.

don't just bounce back they become rescuers themselves they become doctors and nurses and lawyers and you know they run and play as kids and they excel and it's like you know that's not a humanitarian effort that is the goodness of the lord actually answering this yeah so the grace where you find yeah it's No, it's bad. It is. But again, the Lord is doing something that is so much greater. It's just we're slow and catching up with it.

And we got to get with the program. But it's hard. It's hard to like mentally shift there and to get there. And you need people like you that kind of go, all right, I know you're going to be, you're going to doubt this happens, but I'm in the front lines.

Let's go back to your story, though, in the 90s. Oh, we just started. Once we started rescuing kids and once that became the reality. And then once we had to, you know, it's one thing for it's one thing, Nate, for God to show you.

something, it's a whole other thing for you to conform your life to the image of what God Almighty is showing you. Those are two different man pajamas. And so it's like, well, I guess this is what we're going to be doing for the rest of our lives because you can't just raise them for a month. And you also don't know if they're going to stay with you until they're 20 or 25 or if they're going to want to leave when they're 18 or 17 or whatever that is. It's very, very, very relational.

And what we started doing was we started instead of I found it very easy in my 30s and 40s to rescue kids all the way up until until I was around 50. I'll be I'll be 59 this year. Um, and then, and then I switched and then I switched and we started rescuing rescuers and boy, you talk about, if you want to find out how real the blurry universe is.

Just start developing relationships with next level people that rescue kids all over the world and the stuff that they've come across and the things that have followed them home and how they have dealt with it and how they have stood and how that they have. have had a resolve within their life to say, I'm not going to be crazy. I don't have to have everybody understand. I just know this is real, and I know who Jesus is to me, and I'm not going to live terrified or just be afraid.

and want to take on hell with a water pistol. Yeah, I was thinking once you open that box, you can't put that back in the box. No. There's no way to do that and try to live your life as...

you know a senior pastor somewhere and just say well that was that was a fun experience do you feel like ancient people kind of understood these this paradigm this worldview this this knowledge better than modern human beings like they just kind of knew what team they were playing for and they kind of knew the rules of engagement 10 000 and i want to tell you what i think happened i think after the dark ages okay once we came into the renaissance period and

I love timelines and I love trying to wrap my head around timelines and how things work like that. I think coming out of the Dark Ages and coming into the Renaissance period and all that kind of stuff, There was a global shift of everything that we've been talking about was reduced through expressive art into fables and myths. And there suddenly became a secular category to put all these things in. And it went into fables and myth and the whole mythos of all of this stuff.

I think that everybody wanted to become secular. There was this huge secular thing, you know, that comes from the French Revolution and just the whole idea to secularize everything. um and and it also went over into christianity and i want to tell you um

So the criticism that you get and the criticism, I want to say this about my criticism. A lot of my criticism is pretty good criticism. People say, hey, man, you know, you said this wrong or you did that wrong. And I go, oh, yeah, I did. Well, I'm on the journey like anybody else is. And I'm not trying to get everything.

I'm just trying to bring Jesus. And I'm also, too, just trying to I want to bring victory in all these things. I cannot stand hopelessness. I cannot stay. I can't stand it. I'm. Yeah, I hate it. And so. But.

A lot of the criticism that I get comes from a large section of Western Christianity, which is completely secular. They're secular Christians. They believe in all things supernatural once you die. And they believe in all things supernatural a long, long time ago, but they don't believe in anything supernatural right now. They have taken a secular stance, and I'm sorry to say this, but in the name of being a 50-pound head.

And so to be able to be able to bring something reasonable because these things that are being unleashed upon all of us now are not reasonable according to the paradigm and the logic that we've had in the past. Well, I think in the dark ages, you had belief. You didn't have access to knowledge. And I think you have a lot of modern theologians that are overwhelmed with the amount of data that's coming at them. So they go back to more of a very strict.

we just have the, you know, the creeds and we do this and the Bible's black and white and we, we stay on the gospel. I don't think there's a, there's like a pushback because it's like every conspiracy theory in the last five years, it's hit the.

that's hit the internet right now i have people believing in some crazy wacky things i think people are afraid well if i believe one of those is true i'm gonna believe all of them are true dominoes are gonna fall so i'm just gonna go back to a more strict

you know, very, very reformed version of Christianity or something not to pick on the reformers, but you know what I'm saying? Like, like a black and white, I'm going to yell at the gates of it's all black and white. I'm going to kind of think of all Christians that talk about blurry stuff.

sort of wacky and in the weeds but i mean even this interview i will say like it's hard for us because we could go any of one directions maybe some listeners are frustrated because it's like soul splitting bigfoot dimensional creatures nephilim magic pits like you know we could go down any of these rabbit holes for hours and it's hard for us to know because we've we've sort of peppered this on our show over the years which direction do we go in Troy Brewer I don't know

We could go anywhere. Well, the hope is that we do this again so we can narrow it down. It's really hard to, though. You know what I'm saying? The listener, the mindset, the ancient person would be able to kind of hop into this conversation. Oh, you guys got that wrong, actually. This is what actually happens. You know, they knew more about the framework of deities. They had sort of the understanding of the dictionary of deities and demons. Back then, they knew...

They knew all that knowledge. They just had a different interpretation of what, who was at the top, I guess, right? It was like the D enchantment. I mean, this reminds me of an interview we did recently about sort of the...

the renaissance and the enlightenment period was the de-enchantment of reality right and i think what some we talk about hyzer things that mike was trying to do was sort of with that vernacular was trying to re sort of re bring enchant the enchantment back if you will to to our understanding of

our faith like that there is this very real realm as paul talks about but you're saying these scrolls are unlocking now and this knowledge is coming back but there's been a time when it wasn't well part of it okay so look there's obviously a carnal part

that this could go into when it comes to our curiosity of such things. But our curiosity is not dangerous. It is childlike. And that is how you approach the father. That's how you approach him over and over and over again. It's like, oh, well, Jesus would put things like this. He would say, you've heard it said, now I say unto you. Yeah.

Which means, okay, get ready, because I'm fixing to blow your mind, and I'm going to ramp this up, and I'm going to change this again. And Jesus does that over and over again. And if I can bring up something here, we were talking about... whenever we were talking about you know the seed war and when it comes to nephilim things when it comes to okay there is the hybrid thing all of that kind of stuff one of the things that will happen

in the end times during specifically during the tribulation is that a big portion of the world will be attacked by quote unquote beasts yeah okay beast in the old testament are not animals. They are this hybrid thing. So I want you to listen to that within that context, okay? So when it comes to the beast, here's what he says. In Ezekiel, he says, so will I send upon you famine and all evil beasts.

This is Ezekiel 5, verse 17. And they shall bereave you, and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee, and I will bring the sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken it. One of the judgments that God brings is this. Now, we know that the Mark of the Beast, 666, we know that to be the Antichrist, the ultimate hybrid fusion, so much so that they can claim humanity no longer was created by you.

Now humanity has been created by us. And I actually think that the mark of the beast makes you unredeemable. I think it changes your DNA to a point to where you are no longer of the bloodline of Adam. I was going to ask you about this. I'm glad you brought it up. You know, in the darkest of dark spaces, which really is a human trafficking space, right? It's this subjectifying of humanity, of those that bear the image of God.

Are you running into anything Nephilim hybrid in these spaces? We've had stories. We had a story with a woman who told a story of a girl being kidnapped in Thailand.

and being brought to a giant. And this was, this was the girl she ran into that she was wrestling from trafficking. And you're saying that's a beast. Yeah. It's a beast. Yeah. These things. I mean, cause we, we know that the Bible says that. jesus says that in those days will be like the days of noah and we talk about this a lot of our our show is like we return to this time of of antediluvian times where you know the god the beast the god kings walked among and and

You know, these were, there was the, you know, it was these demigods. It was the Hercules and the like that we, that have been, even said, relegated to mythos now. But we, are you running to these things out in the wilds that are, and they're out there?

Yeah. Yeah. A couple of times. Okay. So let me tell you about it. Yeah, let's hear it. So I want to ask Schwartz if you would look up that scripture. What is that scripture in Exodus? Okay. In Exodus 23, I got to tell you this, because this is in context of what we're talking about. He says this, this is what God tells him. He says, look, I'm not going to let you immediately just run everything out of the promised land.

He says, and he gives them a specific amount of time. And he said, because, and then he says this to them, because the beasts there will multiply and they will take your children. Okay, so wherever you see child trafficking, which I'm just going to throw this out there, and I think that the very first form of all human trafficking is Genesis 6. They took unto themselves wise. When you see...

Okay, when you see these things, when you see a spiritual being, which is created by Yahweh himself, created by Jesus, all things are created by him. Whenever you see a spiritual being and whenever you see him multiplying among human beings, which means that our DNA among the sons of God in us must be compatible. It has to be compatible. So dogs and cats are not compatible. So, I mean, we're very compatible, which means they have a true physiology.

And so, again, that's another stumper for us. Well, yeah, but they're poofs. No, they are physical angels. Well, that's sort of the Gnostic view, right? There's a lot of Gnostisms creeped into the church. Well, maybe there could be some poof angels, right? There could be some. Oh, absolutely. No, no, no. They're spirits.

There are. There are spirits. I'm sure they love being called poof angels. But they're just poof angels, right? So no, no. There's the seven spirits before the Lord. There's spirits. And then, of course, there are demons, right, that actually possess human beings. And they're always looking for a noun, man. They're always looking for a person, a place, or a thing. That's what they're always looking for. I like that. But there's also...

others within that God Almighty has created that has a physicality. And there are others that can go back and forth between having true physicality to also to...

Not having physicality. Would you say that's like, if we're talking about quantum, it'd be sort of dimensionality? Because Jesus does this, right? Is it just the technology, though? Is that just like a tech? It could be tech. It could be. It absolutely could be tech. But... I don't know that it's just not a part of their physical characteristic that they can actually do that.

And I think that that's another species within all that, which is why there's never been a Bigfoot body found, or at least one that the government has done, right? Yeah. Not until the brewer boys go hunting, right? Well, the problem with that is I really think that they can fade in and out. I think that they can be physical. And I think that they can be spiritual. And I think that they can take on the forms of other things. And so if you end up jacking one.

And if you're out there like, hey, I spot one. Also, they tend to, if you know, stories I've heard is I looked at him in a scope and it turned around and looked back at me and I was 500 yards away, which I've got my own story of that. It's not a Bigfoot story, but me and Ben have our own story of that and of it being. this thing we saw being hundreds of yards away and it knew when we were looking at it. But it has an awareness of what we're aware of.

Right. The problem is, man, if you shoot one in his physical form and you drop it, that don't mean that there's not 20 more standing around there that you don't see. Yeah. You better get the heck out of Dodge. Clever girl. Oh, my gosh. Jurassic Park. Yeah. Come on, man. Yeah. So, yeah, they're going to be there. So here's the story. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the story.

In Chiapas, Mexico, we rescue kids there and we do a big work there. We have a big ranch down there. And that is the very place I was just telling you about where this stronghold is. But this is away from there. Within a shadow of where we have built this rescue center for all these kids is the largest Mayan pyramid on the planet Earth. It is.

You guys need to come go with me down there. Because it's privately owned. It is the only privately owned pyramid. And I know the dude that owns it. Did he let you run to the top? It's the largest in the world, and it's a mind pyramid. And we're literally rescuing children and raising children in the very shadow of where so many kids and so many human beings have been sacrificed there. It's just an in-your-face move.

And I love it. So we're down there. Well, these guys that do our rescuing and the guy, they're also pastors and they're like apostolic dudes. They're over all these other pastors all over Mexico and Guatemala and all this stuff. They have this mountain, and they call it their prayer mountain. It's where they go to pray. And it's this beautiful garden, just gorgeous. And we come pulling up there, and there's like, I don't know, I'm going to say maybe 60, 70 people.

and they're praying, and they're so happy we're there, and they want us to preach to them, and they want us to share a word with them, and then they want to pray, okay? Well, they don't speak English, and I don't speak Spanish, and so you go through the... whole thing of men it's a beautiful setting the chiapas mountains are just the chiapas mountains are 18 000 feet tall so they're 4 000 taller than the rocky mountains right so they're just massive and it's a beautiful spot

So I get up there and I preach a little bit and it's well received. And these people are such precious, beautiful people. And then Ben actually got up. Ben gave a word. And I'm sitting there, so they're like, okay, well, we want to pray for you. Well, when they say they want to pray for you, it's not like a polite American prayer. And they throw down, and you might be there.

The rest of the day, you might be there four hours. You have no idea because they're all going to pray for you. And then one after another after another. And so they literally sit you in a chair because it's going to be the rest of the day. So I sit down in this chair. One after another, man, they start praying. We're just, everybody's praying, man. They're getting in the spirit. They're losing their minds.

And I'm just, you know, because I don't speak English, I mean, I barely speak English, but because I don't speak Spanish, there's not really nothing to do. So after you pray for a while, you're like, yeah, I receive it, Lord. Yeah, you're just like, yeah, that's just kind of what you do, man. You just kind of just sit there and you let them pray and you're just like, yes, Lord, and you just kind of mind your own business and everything's cool. Well, I'm kind of...

you know, going through this and I'm looking on this ridge that is around me. I'm just thinking because I like to draw and I like art and I'm thinking if I drew that. I wonder how I draw that. Yeah, I would definitely draw that part right there. And I noticed this one big tree that was on the top of this ridge.

And I thought, man, that's interesting that there's only one tree there on that bald ridge. Like, that's crazy. And then I went back and I prayed for a while and then they prayed for me and I'm there and I'm doing my own thing. And then I look back up.

maybe 10 minutes later, and I'm like, dude, there's two trees there. And I thought, that's weird, because I would have swore there was only one tree. I was like, no, I know for a fact there was only one tree there. And I'm like, now there's two trees there. And this is a big tree. It's not a... It's not a five-foot tree. This is like a 20-something footer, right? And I'm looking at it, and I'm going to say it's maybe 500, maybe as far as 700 yards away, something like that. And I'm looking.

And I'm just wondering, where did that tree come from? That tree wasn't there. Because by now, I've been sitting there for... You know the topography pretty good. For hours, you know? Yeah. And I'm just kind of going... Where did that tree show up? All us ADD people understand exactly what's happening. Thank you. Thank you, my friend. We're just like spacing out. I know that tree over there. Oh, sorry. Hey, guys. How you doing here?

I love you. That's part of my world, man. What kind of deciduous conifer? I'm looking at this thing, and I thought, where did that tree come from? What the heck is that tree all about? It wasn't there. And then... As God is my witness, sitting right here before you guys, this thing suddenly changed in an instant. And it had two arms and it had two legs. And it moves over about 15 feet and stops and turns back into a tree.

And I'm just sitting there and I'm looking at it going, what in the wide, wide world sports did I just see? And I'm like, okay, Lord, we're in a holy place. I'm in this. They're praying and I'm thinking, you know, you don't have a grid for it. It was a tree and the tree turned into something else and moved and turned back into a tree. And I was looking at it and...

I just was sitting there, and as we were praying, I said, I don't know what you are, but I see you, and we're not leaving. We're here to stay, and we're going to rescue kids. And it turned into... like a dude it turned into it had two legs it had two arms the arms were longer than what than what they should be it was like a strong man it had big shoulders um and and he it started bowing up Started making like threatening gestures. Yeah.

And I'm just sitting there looking at this. I'm like, no, no, no. And then I got total peace. Everybody's praying for me. And I'm eyeballing this thing. Now, my son was there. One of my executive pastors was there. His name's Jerry. And some other guys were there. And I just began to speak to it. And I promise you, it knew what I was saying. I promise you, it knew as soon as I told him, I see you.

and i don't know who you are but you know what um there's a new sheriff in town jesus is here we're going to rescue kids here tonight i mean he just he's like oh really he's like you know and he started doing this threatening thing like he was kind of rocking back and forth in a weird way with his arms down um something kind of gorilla like but i'm like no no no

no no no devil we're here and there's so i i think he was actually spying on what the prayer was that these guys were praying i think he was actually looking on that So my son was there and he's just off camera here. And I called Ben. I said, Ben, I said, turn around and look up there and tell me what you see up there at the top of this, up that ridge. And he said, dad, I'm looking at a giant. I said, I know.

So I've been looking at him for a long time. And he's just like, I'll be dang. He's like, man, we knew it. We knew it. And dude, I was like, watch him. Watch him. He'll trans. He'll change. And he did. He changed back into where you couldn't tell the difference between the one tree and this thing that we're looking at. It looked exactly like a tree. And then it would change and it would move forward. It would move back.

It would move to the side. And then he turned into like a person again. And he leaned way forward. And you could tell, man, he was like leaning forward. And he's listening. And he was listening to me. He's listening to this prayer. So I called, and this was not a fleeting second. This goes on for like 20, 30 minutes. Okay. Multiple witnesses here. So I called Jerry over, and I said, Jerry, do not freak out.

Do not panic. But I want you to turn around and tell me what you see up there on the top of that bald ridge. And he turned around and Jerry B and Jerry goes, it's a freaking giant. Oh my gosh. And then the thing goes like this and it turned around and walked off the ridge. And we're like, wow. So after they all got through praying for us, I just asked them, I said, hey, which by the way, at the hotel that we're staying at, Schwartz has been there with me. There is a giant.

footprint in a rock they have and they put it in the floor of the hotel they're like yeah i mean there's giant tracks all over this place wow right and so i'm like okay so after all these guys get through praying for us i'm like hey have you guys Ever seen a giant? You guys see giant? And I went, oh, yeah, there's one that lives on top of that mountain right over there. Come on now. And I'm like, wow.

So I know it's connected with that child sacrifice. I know it's connected with the cartel. I know that it is connected with how children are trafficked there. I know it is. I don't know how it all works.

But I know it showed up to listen to the prayer that these cats were praying over me. That's wild. Do you think they're still doing rituals at that pyramid there? I don't know if they're still doing rituals there or not. The guy actually towed us and he towed Schwartz as well. He said, you know, you guys need to come down. He goes, he said, there's one day of the year that you can come to here. And he said, if you want to risk it, that if you get up there on top of that pyramid.

He said, the stars will come down and turn into people. And he said that when he was a kid that they brought a Catholic priest there. His daddy brought a Catholic priest there, right? Wasn't his dad?

uh, brought a, brought a Catholic priest there and he got up there and started, you know, brought a smoke on a rope and started doing his thing. And they came down, the stars came down, turned in, told him, said, get off our property or die. Wow. And they left. Weird. Cause there's some stories of like.

I remember there was one in the 90s, a youth group filmed a Bigfoot on a Ridge, and he was acting the same way. I can't remember what it's called, but it was a pretty popular 90s video. And then there's that real famous one that happened this last year.

on uh on social media the guy that the guy that said he saw this giant and he has he films it behind him walking down the ridge and then this dude disappears ends up and then he ends up yeah there's a couple suicide allegedly that one was controversial but there was there's always those ones that come out of mexico where there's like a big being on on a ridge and then it's always like some blurry some blurry footage but

Definitely that Bigfoot footage was legit, and it was sort of acting angry. Like the Bigfoot will say that they kind of sway back and forth. That's exactly what it was doing. It's like they're pissed because you're in their territory. And they're very territorial, we know, with the way they mark everything. That's a nerdy Bigfoot language there. I never expected to see that. Honestly...

I wasn't going to tell anybody about it. I was just like, okay, whatever. I mean, among our own, I mean, we see supernatural things and that goes into a supernatural file for me, even though it was a, it had physicality and it could change. But that was very much like a...

It just, you know, you see weird stuff. And I mean, I don't know. And so I wasn't going to talk about it very much. And then I was at the NRB and Tony Merkel was there and I got all excited. I went, dude, I saw a giant one time and it went viral. And I was like, oh man, dang. Too late now. I remember, you know, a couple of people early on in my Bigfoot days looking, they were describing there's something different between a giant.

and a bigfoot sighting encounters and at that point in my life i had only heard bigfoot encounters i had no paradigm of understanding what a giant was or even if that was a thing and it was like that was the

The key turning in my mind to go towards Heiser and some of these other things to go, okay, people are encountering mountain giants. This is like a thing. The footprints are massive. They almost seem to... come out of the ground there's a couple of videos where like stones were like closing and people saying they go in and out of the like trolls like lord of the rings yeah and um

And so, you know, there's still rumor a lot of people on our show to say they've run into them in Solomon Islands, Canada, swamps of Louisiana. I mean, it's not a, you know, obviously in these places in the world that are ancient and there's some defilement going on long ago.

They could exist there. I know it's wild to some people, but... Yeah, well, you know, it is until you see one. Yeah. And then it's just like, oh. It's like a shapeshifter, though. Yeah, but this was very much like a shapeshifter. So it literally would change its physicality.

and i mean i gotta and i and i think which we think is bananas but i saw this this i'll let you talk i was just like this ad for watches and it was a chameleon going over the different color watches and it was changing colors and you're like We can conceptualize that. Like this lizard can change colors based on the watch that it's standing on, but a giant changing form. You know what I'm saying? It's like there's sort of this divorce.

that spiritual stuff happens all the time around us. Things we would say were supernatural, fireflies buzzing in the backyard, these animals that change shape and color, but your story can't happen to a lot of people for some reason.

Yeah, and that's okay, man. I mean, I want people to think I'm cool, and I know that that's not going to make people think I'm cool. But here's the deal. You argue with the fruit. The reality is we have rescued over 11,000 kids and a bunch of them within that area. And there is a regional deity there. There is next level witchcraft. There is all of those things that people come from all over the world. Christians don't believe in it, but Luciferians believe it.

it and they come from all over the world to practice magic in that place because it's a portal it's a it's a powerful place and you know when jesus gives you the commandment to go into all the world And to put your foot on the actual ground, he doesn't say, hey, man, you ain't going to see anything that you haven't figured out or you're not going to find anything weird or don't worry, you're always going to be safe. Don't worry, it's always going to be safe. It's not safe.

do you think they're looking for the same thing that uh like someone who sets out to find jesus is trying to find i think they have the same desires luciferians trying to find something Fill that hole Yeah, I think for a lot of people, I think that there's a lot of stages that go with that because you have to be subjugated. The higher up you go, the more and more and more you give up of yourself. It's a perverse understanding of how that we died across daily.

You know, how you how you move up, you know, the way to the king's throne room is through the servants quarters. Right. And it's very much it's very much the same way with them. I think a lot of a lot of those people are invited in because they have talents. They have they have a bill.

abilities, those kinds of things. A lot of them are invited in because of those iniquitous king bloodlines. They're like, no, you're in the family, you know, and you have to be a part of this. Some people pursue it and they get in. And I think that that original pursuit is to simply find meaning to find to, you know, to fill the God sized hole that is in everybody. But it's it will quickly that these entities.

They have a hole within them that only you can fill by being their slave. And they want you in every single way. They want to hear you scream. They want to see you humiliated, and they want to laugh at you because you've actually served them. Since I'm telling crazy stories, I'll tell you this. The first time that we had a...

When we first started going to Uganda, when we first started going, my wife and I, we went to Western Uganda, which we have a house there now, and we're there because we're there three or four times a year. And we have tons and tons and tons of kids. I have over 900 kids that have my last name. And it's not because I'm the most fertile dude in the universe, you know, and I've been out jumping the fence. It's because they asked for my name, you know, and I will never tell a child no. Like okay.

I'll be your dad. I sure will. And I'm going to love you. A lot of brewers out there. There's a lot of brewers out there. More so than Milwaukee, probably. I have, yeah. I have four biological children. I have eight biological grandchildren. But outside of that, we have so many kids.

I mean, they're all over the world. They're every race. They're every culture you can imagine. And just a cool thing, man, that the Lord has done for me. My kids have never been mad at me for that. They've never been jealous over that. And it's really supernatural. And my kids have always thought it was hilarious.

that they had brothers and sisters of every race and every language. And they all have their own regions of the world that they like to go to. Like my youngest son, Luke, is on his way to Indonesia. He's on his way to Indonesia right now, man, to meet his mama. She is in Indonesia right now. And he's 30. What is he? He's 32. Yeah. And so anyway, whenever we first went there, the first time that we went there was in...

1990 was the first time we went to Uganda. And dude, Uganda was at war. Yeah. And Idi Amin had just finished up over there. They were at war with Congo. Then it was called Zaire. And I was totally ignorant. I mean, I'm from, I'm from Johnson County, Texas. You know, it's like, it's totally ignorant. And we went because we had met a guy that, that pastored there and he invited us. So I went, man, let's go. Let's just go over there.

When we got over there, we got in the midst of a war zone, and I'd never been in a war zone before. And we experienced things that totally changed our lives. We found a little boy while we were there that lived on the streets, and his name was Colin.

walked up to me and said, sir, you must feed me. And I said, okay, let's take old Colin with us. And we took him to a restaurant and then we took him back to our hotel room and gave him a shower. He'd never seen a shower. He was Ben's age. And I think, I think Ben, I think, I think you were like,

You were three then? So he's three years now. He was older than that. So I think he was like eight or something. And anyway, gave him a shower, gave him clothes, found a place for him, and kind of started us rescuing kids there. It was in context of that that we were down kind of by the impenetrable forest. And that's where Congo and Uganda and Rwanda all meet together in that same place. And we were down there and we were staying at this pastor's house.

And Leanna and I was getting ready to go to sleep. And as we're getting ready to go to sleep, man, we're putting up this bug net around the bed. And we get in bed. Leanna was already in bed. She was sitting up, you know. And I kind of sat up next to her. And we're like, okay, I think I got it all. And Leanna goes, Troy, what is that? and i said what is what and i turned and looked and there was a purple light about the size of a quarter that was just sitting in the middle of the room and it was

It wasn't lighting anything up, but it was a light, and it was a dark purple. And I went, I don't know. And I could smell like electricity burning. There wasn't any electricity at this house, but it smelled like electricity was burning. And I thought, I don't know. And they're like, I didn't feel anything scary. She didn't feel it. She's like, what is that? And all of a sudden, it was as if somebody, the sound came in the room and there was like a distortion sound.

And when it, this thing spoke and when it spoke, it was distorted and it spoke a language that I knew what it was saying, but it was a language I've never heard before. And it was so mad. You can imagine the maddest dude you've ever seen in your entire life, the most upset person, and it was just fury. It was anger, and it was chaotic anger, and it began to speak and scream at us.

And we understood what he said. And at the same exact time that that happened, it was like somebody got, I was overwhelmed by fear. In your mind or audibly? No, it was audible. Oh. It was totally audible. And I. To tell you the truth, man, I don't really know if that voice came from the inside or if it came from the outside. You'd have to ask Leanna. It's been a long time ago, but in the way I remember it is audible. But it was like somebody injected me with fear.

I mean, I'm talking about an incapacitating fear. A paralyzing fear came upon me where I couldn't breathe, nothing. I was just, it was like we were just like held hostage while this thing berated us. And what it said to me. It didn't speak to Leanna. It only spoke to me. And it said, you're going to see your wife die. And he described how my wife was going to die. And he described what I was going to feel and how helpless I was going to be.

And it was so horrible what he said. I don't want to repeat what he said, but it was bad. It was bad, bad, bad. And then he said, you'll see her beheaded. And then you'll see yourself beheaded. I will hold your head up and turn it around so that you can see your body before you die.

and this thing was yelling at us like this, and it was like this music came with it, like this strong beat. It was like a rhythm in how he spoke, and it kind of went like this. It was like boom, boom, boom, boom, and there was a rhythm. It had a cadence to it.

And it was – well, dude, we were rebuking it. Like, leave us alone in Jesus' name. Leave us alone. And I was pulling everything out of the hat that I could to get this thing to leave because it was painful. It was a painful kind of fear. And then –

By the grace of God, we just knew what to do. I put my forehead up against Leanna's forehead. I put my arm around her. She put her arms around me. And we both just begin to invite the presence of Jesus into the room. Say, Jesus, we don't know what to do about this. This is out of our league.

God, please show up in this room. We pray, God, that you'd be made manifest. I pray, Lord, that you would just show up. And this thing started telling us to stop. And it started yelling, stop, stop, stop, quit it, stop. And then boom, it was gone. Well, it was an exhausting, terrifying experience. And I had no, I never heard of anybody having a weirdo encounter like that. I'd never seen anything like that happen.

After Leanna just passed out, I was up, man. There's no way I'm going to go to sleep. So I get up. I go into, I wander into what the living room era would be, and I see that there's a candle, and that pastor was up, and he was just sitting in there. And he said, is everything okay? And I said, no, dude, everything's not okay. And he said, why? What happened? I said, this demon, this regional entity told me I was trespassing and spoke to me.

And he said the most horrible things I've ever heard. And he said, did it tell you you were going to see your wife die? And I said, yeah. He said, did it talk to you about rape? I said, yes. He said, did it tell you he was going to behead you? I said, yeah. And this is what he said. He said. This is the spirit that comes when the Muslim rebels are close. And we need to pray because they're really close tonight. And so...

We stayed up all night long, man. We prayed. The next morning was in all the newspapers. They came within two miles of us. And that was just a way of life for that guy. He's like, when those Muslim rebels, when they get close to us, this spirit shows up ahead of them. Again, if you think of it, these rebels are not just, I mean, they are next level sorcerers and next level witchcraft involved in it. Well, that's what they do. They rape and they behead Christians.

especially or anybody who's yeah you can't against their you can't unsee the fourth dimensional which is a question i wanted to kind of go go into towards this part of the podcast was you know when you start hearing about people going missing missing 4-1-1 people just getting abducted that it's not a human not an you know we don't know where they go what do you think's happening there because obviously there's some debate in like

alien abductions and it's not a human on human crime they're abducting people in that realm as well and there's other entities involved in taking people what do you think's happening Two years ago, I spoke to Congress. And the day that I got to speak to Congress, and it was at an event that was called the International Summit Against Human Trafficking. I got to speak there that day.

But we weren't the guys that got all the attention. The guy that got all the attention was the CIA whistleblower. This is three years ago. That said, hey, I work for the CIA. I'm trying to think what that dude's name is. And he said, we have backed... tracked. We've actually got all these UFOs. Yeah, that's the guy. So the day that he was speaking to Congress, I was also speaking to Congress.

And so he gets all the press. Nobody even knows that we were in there. Yeah, we have non-human biologics. Everything went everywhere. That dude. Yeah, David Rush. We actually passed each other. We actually saw him and... And I was there. I was there the day. Okay. Well, one of the things that he actually speaks of, and if you study his stuff, is that when he got into, he said that some of these alien craft were full of kids.

you guys heard have you guys ever heard anything like that no i mean that's horrible though Definitely small beings pilot them. No, he's saying that it was a trafficking thing, that there was trafficking involved. If you guys look up, there's other people that say that when they, working for the government, whenever there was a downed craft. when there was a real craft he said that there would be kids in it that there would be trafficking victims inside these things it's terrible man um that

Out of everything, because that was a game changer for him to get up there and for him to say that. And again, I happened to be under the same roof the day that he was there. Out of everything that was said, that was the thing that blew my mind. I was like, man. So I don't know. I don't know if it is something. I don't know if it is people in league with other beings that are not people.

and governments are involved in it when it comes to the fourth dimension you know where do they go what is that space that they go to um i don't know but i know what the antidote is yeah i know what the antidote is and the antidote is not only the love of Jesus Christ, it's not only the name of Jesus, which we need to operate in the, it's the blood of the lamb, the word of our testimony, but it is also too, Jesus offers us a fourth dimension.

He says that you might know the height, the width, the depth and the breadth of the love of God. And we are three dimensional beings and we are offered in the Bible a fourth dimension, which is accessed by the love of God. I mean, I just read the Bible to you. It literally gives us four dimensions. And so I'm not scared of the fourth dimensional thing, but the Bible gives reference to it.

And I don't know. I don't know what that is. I just know what the antidote is. That's a good segue, though, because I want to ask you that.

We've gone down like some really dark stuff, right? There's a hierarchy of evil that are trafficking children. They're abusing them. They're created for stacking magic. There's non-humans involved. There's angels involved. And you walk in these dark spaces. So for someone who's listening, we talked about this pre-show. There is a big portion of our population that thinks that the idea of human trafficking is a conspiracy that isn't real. Number one, we had the sound of freedom.

movie that came out we talked about that pre-show which for a lot of people was either like paradigm shattering or it was you know it's this extremist fodder this isn't real either um so for a paradigm this is hard for a lot of people so for you though like i mean you just kind of started touching this but we're like how do you flip the other side of the coin like where's the

you know how do you find hope here how do we battle this because it seems in some ways this can seem overwhelming to people like if there's a hierarchy of evil that that is working bloodlines and taking kids and this stuff is happening everywhere that's such a dark reality but we're

Like they say, what's the antidote to that? And how do you, I mean, how do you personally, or how do you, and then when you talk about this, how do you end up in a place of hope? Because it seems hopeless. Like all this stuff is happening. There's governments, there's. non-human entities that are that are all operating this machine of evil where's our it's always been like yeah how do we find that hope there against the odds it's always sort of how it's been yeah that's right

Now, listen, for one thing, I got great news. I know exactly how this is going to end. Jesus is going to come back, and he's not coming back as a hippie. No, he's going to kick butt and he's going to take names to a degree that most Western Christians will cringe because they think that Jesus Christ is a hippie and he's not. He is the baddest motor scooter.

in the entire swinging universe. There's nobody like him. And when he comes back, his earmark will be to the horse's brow. Like, what? That's pretty dadgum radical. Listen, he's not coming back to be nice. He is not going to come back to be nice at all. He's going to come back to kick butt and to take names and to wipe this thing out the way that it needs to because only he can.

On the other side of that, so I'm a big-time Jesus guy. I'm rooting. I'm loyal to Jesus, man. He's the answer to all things. The practical side in the meantime of believing in the imminent and the glorious return, but not just the glorious return, but the imminent return, that's a big part of it. Believing, man, that Jesus can come back. And if you don't really believe that, then you need to challenge yourself.

And go, who has brainwashed you into telling you that Jesus couldn't come back today? Like, well, he couldn't. Why? Why couldn't he? He can come back anytime. We don't know when he's coming back. So I refuse not to let myself believe that Jesus could come back at any time and come back with a sword and give us a front row seat.

to what he's going to do because he does. And I love that. The second thing is, and when it comes to the actual practicality of just like, okay, like I'm very aware of so many terrible stories. And I mean, I am.

But I'm also aware of the hope and the transformation of what happens with these kids once the Lord gets a hold of them. And a little bit of Jesus makes up for a whole lot of evil. It just makes up for a whole lot.

And, you know, man, all three of those guys that are behind the camera, they have traveled with me. They've been to all 54 of our rescue homes. And, you know, we have... multiple homes there and to see how these kids lives are transformed and how they're changed like nobody else could do that to see how that they're not full of fear um to literally see you know things like you know

A little girl on the Texas border that we rescued two years ago, a 15-year-old girl, just comes out of such dark magic and such terrible stuff. She literally had five sexually transmitted. sexually transmitted diseases five yes and so messed up that you just can't even imagine so so so messed up i can tell you right now that she has been to

The doctor in Houston, she had been to the hot doctor in Mexico City, and they can't find any of those anymore. She's just healed. And like, okay, if the Lord is healing people today of that kind of stuff. And I can't, I have to steward what I make a big deal out of.

And nobody else is going to do that for me. And that's part of the fear of the Lord is just that the fear of the Lord for me is when you love what God loves and you hate what God hates and you try and see things the way that God sees things. That's the fear of the Lord. And I just don't want to make a big deal out of it. Yep. You know what? They put on a big show. They cause a lot of big pain and they cause a lot of big problems. So what?

There are simple solutions to complicated issues. If a Yehu like me can rescue over 11,000 kids, man, not knowing what in the world he's doing, imagine what we could do united in the body of Jesus. Come on. And if the Lord can raise these kids up, man, to be mamas and daddies and doctors and lawyers and rescuers themselves, you know.

We ought to be dedicated and committed to that in such a way we're not dedicated to being terrorized by the hell that they offer. Yeah. I will not dedicate my heart or my mind to being terrorized. I just won't do it. yeah i just i love that i mean i got our god is in the business of redemption nothing no one is unredeemable which is is really beautiful it is because that power is way way bigger than than the stuff that they They try to conjure up and stack and work. It doesn't...

It doesn't hold. Man, number one, if you can see the whole demonic realm, if we can just call that the demonic realm, number one, they're all a bunch of sniveling lawyers. I promise you they are. They're all about what is legal and what they can get away with. They're all a bunch of lawyers. And I mean, on their best day, they're a bunch of lawyers. And that my disdain for them.

is off the rocker on that. The second thing is this too. Yeah, they move in some really dark things and there's some really scary, really blurry, undefined things that I don't know how to put my finger on it. But Jesus is very defined to me. He's superior. And like, you know, when I come across stuff that I don't know what to think about, like, you know, I didn't know what to think about that giant. Like, I didn't know what to think about. I just know that it showed up to peak on my prayer time.

on that prayer mountain and it's like what are you worried about yeah what are you worried about what's the problem yeah What's the problem? You know, you're so big and you're so bad and you're this big, scary being and you're able to take away helpless children. Wow, that's awesome. What are you spying in on us for? What is the problem? What is this that is threatening you?

and it was a threat to me most the king's coming yeah the king's coming brother that's right yeah i mean the layers here are intense i think you know just remind our listeners that i think blurry creatures was birthed out of

you know there's a seriousness to the stories as well as like there's an entertaining part of it but the seriousness to it all was kind of the the impetus of this podcast and kind of trying to help people understand that somebody in their life has had an experience that they can't, that they're holding onto. They can't quite explain. They can't, they don't have anyone to talk to about it. I think you're so much further down that.

You heard the stories and you started to do something about it. And I think as Christians, we don't think that the helmet of salvation is an actual helmet. And, you know, the sword is an actual sword, you know, needed. to sort of vanquish these things and i think that's what the podcast sort of put context starting with the blurriest creature and bigfoot and moving into stuff that you've seen and experienced firsthand and all the tragedies but

but there's also hope too at the end of these, these stories of, of people coming back and turning around and then going back to war themselves, picking up these. It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, That's not where we started, obviously, with these conversations. I had no idea, and I'm sure you didn't think you'd be here either. No, man. I thought I'd be playing guitar. Yeah. I thought I'd be playing.

I thought I'd be up playing, you know, is what I thought I'd be doing. And this has been a better route. And I'm very grateful for it. And I'm also grateful for my just... You come across, just relationally, you come across your tribe after a while. They do. Just like all of us sitting here at the same table. Honestly, I'm so honored, man, to be sitting here with you cats. Same. Yeah.

So honored. And we were talking about it on the way up here today. And we were talking about it. I was like, can you guys believe that we're going to be on this show? It's so funny. Get out of here. Like, this is ridiculous. And what's really is, man, you find your tribe after a while. And what you find is whatever craziness that you've experienced, it also makes for a relational kind of thing that God does. Yeah.

And even if it's traumatic, even if it's really bad, there's a redemptive way that God Almighty will bring a mighty army together. And you guys know the Valley of Dry Bones and all that kind of stuff. The very first thing that happens after the rattle... is sinew so that's the relational aspect so before there was yeah before there was lungs before there was a heart before there's brain

The sinew, the actual connection, the tendons was the first thing to show up. And so I just want to encourage all of your listeners and just say, if you've seen something really scary, you know that you can't. wrap your head around and tell you there's a whole world full of people that have seen really scary things that they hadn't been able to wrap their head around. And also say this too, if you guys would just put up with me and just say, just cry out to Jesus wherever you're at.

Give Jesus a try and say, Lord, this thing is crazy and I don't know what to do. He knows how to heal you. He really does. And he also knows how to connect you with people that go, yeah, that's a big deal, but it's not really that big of a deal. It's okay. Yeah. it's okay yeah the flip side of that is seeing something scary is seeing something miraculous right

It's the idea that God is still healing, God is still moving, God is still raising the dead. We have seen kids that were, because one of the things that happens a lot is they'll be completely nonverbal whenever we get these kids. And we have seen God, I'm talking about. miraculously over and over and over again where they just instantly just start talking and they just become chatty kathy and just and they're like oh wow and they they would be acting very animalistic or

you know kind of feral kids you know wouldn't let anybody touch them or be around them or anything like that and then just walk in and they see the father's heart you know come in and say hey what are you doing i'm your papa troy and i'm here i'm here to love you come over here come over here and see me and then they just instantly just

run over and hug me you know and everybody go what the heck happened like it's just the lord and then we pray for them and then they just start speaking and you know and and we've seen that happen so many times and then man your mind is just so blown so I do got to say this. We have to challenge ourselves in childlike wonder to have our minds blown by the goodness of God. And if we do not do that,

Nobody else is ever going to do that for us. I mean, when's the last time you just had your mind blown with how good God is? And like, okay, how do I got to find that? Where do I? And pursue that. and go after those things and then live that kind of lifestyle. And then when you have a sorcerer show up at the edge of your bed or demons show up in your barn, he announced himself. He said his name was impenetrable one time.

Spoken in awe. I said, hey, who's there? This thing spoke and said, impenetrable. Well, that demon, because I just got through doing a Zoom call from Chiapas. And it accessed me through the Zoom call, by the way. That's a whole nother thing. And so, Jesus. Dropping nuggets at the end here. And then we just went down into their stronghold. Those two guys right there were with me. And we went in there. We went to an unholy altar.

where unspeakable things happen and I walked straight up there to it and I spoke and I said, you are not impenetrable. Told you. I love it. Wow.

And we're going to get more into this, obviously, at BlurryCon, because you're coming in the fall, and we're going to talk more about these things. So there's still a few tickets if you want to... join us out there but you know i love these intro conversations that are just a rodeo

on a rodeo from texas of no other and there's really no bigger there's really no way to tame it it just goes where it's going to go these conversations and sometimes just sitting back and letting your mind be open enough to hear the stories because i mean you have You know, 30 years plus of dealing with this stuff and firsthand and the experiences you have. And some people just have a blurry life.

existence and it's and other people have had one paranormal experience their whole life and then some people have like novels full of strange and weird and I don't know why that is I don't know why we can compartmentalize as westerners that the strange and we can explain away everything down to a demonically possessed person that's speaking in a latin language we can say oh yeah that's

or ancient language, and that's just schizophrenia. We can be that, or we can be like, there's giants in the bushes, and they're coming to get us, and we're running through, and spirits of... going ahead of armies from uh you know to all the things we've heard over the years so thanks thanks troy and thank you yeah thanks for coming in here and

and uh helping our listeners connect the dots some of the wilder things we've heard because everything we've heard it kind of goes in we you know we're sort of an episodic show where we kind of start from the beginning and you get a little bit weirder as it goes and You're a good bridge between some of the harder stuff we've heard and some of the tame kind of in the middle somewhere of like, okay, I can get it. I get it now, you know? Some people say stuff and it's just...

There's no backstory and there's no context. It's just boom, you know, here it is, take it or leave it. And some people, we get those nasty emails, but I think with your story, it's so heartwarming that, you know. Not only is it weird, but you're doing something about it. And I think that's awesome. And I'd love to talk more maybe off the show about maybe how blurry creatures can help you do that as well. I want to invite you guys to come go with me.

all right and i want to take you guys shop in mexico and we'll go down there and you'll see our rescued kids go to mexico city we'll do some stuff and i'll take you to that largest pyramid i So I told the guy if he would give me access to his pyramid all the time, he's a big-time cowboy, I'd bring him a brand-new saddle. And so if I bring that guy that saddle, man, I promise you he'll give us full-blown access.

you'll see it and there's not much talent and then we'll actually we'll actually see if we can't rescue some kids while we're there and i will do some fun stuff and see see some really cool stuff

Come on, let's go, man. All right. Tell us where they can find you and get engaged with what you're doing. I know you've written. You've got a lot of things you're doing. You've got a show you're doing with our friend Tony Merkel as well. Let our folks know where they can engage with you and what you're doing. The easiest way is just look up my name. It's Troy Brewer, troybrewer.com. You just do a Google search on me, you'll be able to find me, but at troybrewer.com. Pastor Troy.

cowboy troy those are both rappers yeah yeah i love it actually no cowboy troy do you really yeah he's a good dude that's not pastor troy but uh thanks thanks troy yeah thanks for being a listener all the encouraging words you said to us too it's like

It feels like a lot of people come on our show. They're the ones out doing stuff and taking shots, and we're just talking about it here. Oh, no, man. You guys are killing it. It's so important. I'm really encouraged since I've become friends with Tony. You know, I'm just same, same thing with y'all, man. Just want to encourage you because we've needed this. You're making it normal. You're making it normal now in Christianity.

And that has been needed in a huge way. So thank you guys. It's a little mind-blowing. Sort of normal. Sort of normal, yeah. I always think Noah is like the weirdest guy. You know, there's something weird about him to do what he did. and and god uses the weird guys yeah you know he the guys that are kind of like i'll listen but i'm also stubborn little weird little strange i'm in the bushes and i'm doing something but i think that

You need those characters always. I mean, you're proof God can even use gingers. Yeah, exactly. No one is unusable, bro. It's like there's a Lord of the Strange. I think there's a... A redemptive narrative to the weird and strange here at Blurry. It doesn't just stay weird. That's what I wanted for this podcast to kind of come back to like, okay, there's answers to these things. And you helped give our listeners a lot of answers. So thanks, Troy. Thank you. Thanks, guys.

All right. See you at BlurryCon, baby. I'll see you then. All right.