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Hey guys , welcome back to the channel . Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good Scientology Secrets . I am joined today by my lovely wife , Claire .
Hey , hey , hey , good to see everyone here this fine Friday evening .
We decided we were out last weekend and we're going to be again out this weekend , so we figured we'd do just a live Q&A on a Friday , just so we could , you know , keep doing stuff and stay in touch with you guys . And , as always , we like to know where you're watching from in the comments .
And if you let us know in the comments where you're watching from , you will automatically be entered into a giveaway at the end of the video . And we're going to do something a little different . We're going to show you the thing that we're giving away today . It's a desk mat . I'm going to show you guys this it's a Zeno in the Body things desk mat .
It is 15 inches by 31 inches . It's actually I think it's a little bit , even a little bit bigger . It's 15 and a half by 31 and a half lest you have to be peering to see the aliens .
You will not have to rest assured .
And um , it's . It's a xenu and the body thetans , the , the band uh , xenu and the body thetans . It's their official merchandise . And oh , actually we can show it here . Look see , this is how big it is . I'll put up , uh , go see there , it is right there . That's how big it is , right there on the table , xenu in the body . It covers your whole desk .
It's basically like a , it's like a mouse pad , but it's for your entire desk . I love desk mats . I use them all the time .
Yeah , yeah .
Claire's got a desk mat , she's got one , I've got one , we've got one right here and somebody is going to get one at the end of this stream .
Yeah , maybe two somebodies We'll see .
Oh , two somebodies . Okay , good and yeah . So we want to pull up the comments and we'll . We'll see where people are coming in from .
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We did that one there you go .
I think we caught up and , of course , thank you to our wonderful mod , catherine , for being here .
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And then this one .
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Therese Arvin , he says that all the time . By the way , folks , indianapolis , indiana , slowing down , awesome , right Cool .
Okay . So normally when we do these Scientology secrets episodes we tell you guys a bunch of secrets about Scientology . Today we're just going to ask for questions . If you guys have questions about things , put them in the comments . It helps if you put question before it .
I think sometimes it does Just
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so it helps us find it .
But if you guys have got questions , go ahead and put them in the comments and if they're good ones they'll get starred and then we'll read them . They'll get noted for me to pull them up . But we did have . Where is this one ? We did have a good one . I thought that was right before the stream they put in .
That was a great question . Auditing Scientology KC . Would the SP know of his past life if he hasn't reached OT8 ? Does being declared cancel OT8 if you've reached it ?
So the first answer- Well , let's break this down a little bit . Because not everybody knows everything .
Okay , true , yeah , we should back it up . Just a second .
SP means suppressive person , and if you're in Scientology and you talk bad about Scientology or you do anything that Scientology doesn't like which really could , at the end of the day , could be anything then you get declared a suppressive person and you're not allowed to be in Scientology anymore . That's it . You're kicked out .
It's similar to .
It's similar to being excommunicated or shunned , but when you're declared you are disconnected from and literally the only way you would ever be able to speak to your family members again or anyone else that you cared about that has disconnected from you , like my mother or Mark's mom or , you know , our siblings the only way you would ever be able to speak to them
again is to do what Scientology calls the A to E steps and essentially go back into Scientology calls the A to E steps and essentially go back into Scientology . That's the only way . So , sidebar , when Scientology says they accept people of all religions , this is one of the most blatant examples of how that is a complete and utter lie .
Yeah , they don't , they definitely , they certainly don't . And this point okay . So they said would the SP know of his past life if he hasn't reached OT8 ? Right , ot8 , really , and this is kind of funny because not any of these .
Operating OT means operating Thetan , level number eight , and that's the highest level of counseling you can get in Scientology and it's called and actually I was thinking about this the other day it's called truth revealed .
It is .
There's no truth revealed .
Unless you realize you should . Gtfo Scientology .
It should be called bullshit revealed . That's what it should be called , but there's no , there's , no , there's no like achievement that gets unlocked . That , then , will allow you to remember what happened in a previous life .
Right , and even backing up there , just you know , in case we have new people tuning in . So in Scientology , they believe that you live lifetime after lifetime after lifetime , lifetime after lifetime . Um , so , when you die , you , your thetan , aka that's scientology's word for soul goes and just gets a new body at the local hospital .
Right , yeah , theoretically that's how it works theoretically .
Uh , if that's your belief system , which it's not mine , but that's okay . Uh , obviously I wouldn't be , here blown for good . Would the SP know of his past life if he hasn't reached OTA ?
So the answer to that is technically yes , because even way below , before you get to the advanced levels you learn about and you go in your counseling you start addressing what's called whole track , meaning like you talk about things that happened in earlier lifetimes that might be the cause of you know the problems that you're facing currently .
So , in other words , ota is not a requirement for the person to know that they've lived prior , or that they've alleged to believe that they've lived prior , or that they allege to believe that they've lived prior lifetimes .
Yeah , but the key point here is that David Miscavige canceled that where you have things that you did in your last life that you could then take credit for in this life .
So there was a long time where , if someone had achieved the state of clear which is sort of like the very first major milestone on Scientology's bridge to total freedom , yes , you could say in the olden days , from like the 50s to like the 1980s or early 90s , you could say , oh , I went clear last lifetime and everybody was all up for that .
But in the 90s David Miscavige canceled that and said it doesn't matter what you did last lifetime , that was nonsense .
You have to do it this lifetime .
He literally went around to hundreds of people and whoever said that they had achieved , quote unquote , last lifetime clear which , by the way , is something Hubbard had talked about in some of his writings that , oh , they're going to be coming back around because they're dying and they're picking up new bodies , and so we'll be seeing last lifetime clears Though you
know it's funny . You just made me realize there's nothing similar to that for OT levels . There's not any like oh , I was last lifetime OT3 .
Yeah , no , that's why I'm saying it's not even a thing . So that's why I'm saying , even though technically maybe you could remember it , they wouldn't accept it , because you , because anybody could say that , and say that I remembered that and it would be , it would be nonsense and if it wasn't nonsense , it'd still be nonsense .
Somebody messaged me the other day saying you know , how can you talk about a lot of this stuff ? Cause in Scientology people who know my story I didn't do any training or counseling in Scientology . I was working there , I was making DVDs and tapes and all that .
And it's sort of like saying like , like , if somebody left the Nixxiom cult , and saying , well , how far did you get , how could you talk about Nixxiom if you weren't ? Well , I don't have a PhD in bullshit , so it doesn't matter .
I have a PhD in bullshit . He does have a PhD in bullshit , so it's sort of like I actually , when I was getting ready to testify as an expert witness in the Danny Masterson trial , I literally did the calculations of , from , you know , age four up onwards , but especially from when I joined the sea organization when I was 16 years old . That's that .
That's the hours that I counted I was in the sea organization , counted up the number of hours I spent studying those materials , and it was more than 10 000 hours yeah , which counts as a phd if you look at how many hours it so that's called a PhD in bullshit .
Yeah , it's the expert level if you've done something for 10,000 hours .
Doesn't matter how messed up . Whatever it was that you were made to do .
Yeah , the other thing is that where I worked in Scientology , we produced these things called the technical training films , and in order to produce those films , we actually did have to study and know what we were filming and have an understanding of it so that it could be the correct representation of that Scientology technology .
So , just as a I don't even know what you call it as a secondary contact , we were exposed to a lot of the theories and the technology , as they call it in Scientology . But anyway , yes , a lot of nonsense in Scientology . Okay , do we have another good question ?
there . Oh yeah , we have a bunch of good questions . Oh yeah , okay , here we go . You want me to say it . Sorry , I'm multitasking .
I'm going to read this one while you're looking for it . Debbie Baker says Mark , no disrespect to Claire . When you are talking and Claire interrupts you while you are talking , the look on your face is priceless . The second time you look like your head is going to explode . Yeah , no , a lot of times it's funny when Claire and I get to talking .
If we're telling a story or we're trying . If somebody asks a question , we're both trying to answer it . We will both when . We used to do this a lot when we were in different rooms , because there's a little bit of a delay and so we would answer a question and then we would both be trying to answer it , thinking the other person is going to stop talking .
But neither one of us ever stops talking . So we just keep talking over it Until finally I'd just be like I guess I'm going to have to stop talking because she's just not going to stop .
Yeah , hold on a minute . I have something to add to that . I used to just let you talk . And then I realized if I don't ever cut them off , I'm literally never going to get a word in edgewise . So you're going to have to get used to this .
Yeah , okay , here's another . Here's another good one here .
Okay , jessica question why does Scientology want to own all of Clearwater ?
I don't think that they , I don't think they want to own all of Clearwater .
Oh , I do .
No , no , they do want to own that whole downtown area where they are .
Yeah , that way they could say they have a cleared city . Yeah .
Now Scientology has this thing where the ultimate goal of Scientology is to clear the planet , which means to get every single person in the world and all of Earth
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up to that point that we were talking about the state of clear , which is like the first major milestone on the Scientology bridge to total freedom , or what they call the grade chart .
And if you get everybody to that first level of clear , then according to Scientology , then the world will be saved and then people can then progress all the way up the other levels where you get superpowers and you can be cause over matter , energy , space and time . Scientology has been around since the 1950s .
They have never cleared a single zip code , much less the planet or a block . They've not even ever cleared a block , yeah , a city block they've never cleared . So if Scientologists just practiced math they could figure that out .
Like how many people like any Scientology organization out there , let's say , they're making they get one person to clear every week , which no Scientology organization , um , does every single week ? They're not getting somebody cleared .
It may be in Florida at that big giant complex , at that place Maybe they make a clear every week , but they're not even supposed to be doing the lower parts of Scientology . They're supposed to be doing the upper levels of Scientology . But even if every organization in the world cleared one person a week , it'd take them like 10,000 years to clear a zip code .
So they're never going to clear planet Earth . It's an impossible task that they will never , ever achieve , ever . It's . It's an impossible task that they will never , ever achieve , ever . It's not going to happen , um , and they've only been getting slower at doing it because there's more people .
So if they say in 1950 , they would have had to do a thousand clears a week in order to do it , and that would take them whatever , you just divide the population by a thousand per week and it's still going to take them thousands of years .
So it's ridiculous and they're never going to do it . But the other answer to the question on why they're trying to buy all of Clearwater or all of the downtown area is that particularly David Miscavige is exceptionally paranoid 100% .
They would like to have complete control , their zone in which they can keep a bubble around all those staff , so nobody from the outside world can interact , nobody can see them or talk to them or any of that , and that's another piece of it from a strategy perspective .
Yeah , when we were there and when we were in Scientology and in the Sea Org , our jobs took us to Florida and we worked in the Clearwater area . It's called the Flag Land Base . Is what that in the Sea Org ? That's what that is referred to FLB or the Flag Land Base or just Flag .
Yeah .
And we weren't allowed to shop at the stores in Clearwater that weren't Scientology owned . We weren't allowed to kind at the stores in Clearwater that weren't Scientology owned . We weren't allowed to kind of interact with the people . You had to . There was a period where you weren't even allowed to walk from building to building .
You had to go on a shuttle for many , many years . If you wanted to go from one of their properties to another properties . You had to get in a van and get a ride to one of those other properties Because there were SPs just out in the wild Right talking about Xenu and body thetans , oh my . And so they wouldn't even allow it .
So ideally , david Miscavige wants to give the appearance to Scientologists that they're expanding , and the way they expand in Scientology is to purchase more real estate and the more real estate they have , that proves , quote unquote , that they're expanding and they're getting bigger . Really , their bank account's expanding from the few people that they do have .
They're just figuring out more and better ways to get money out of those people and they're just buying more buildings . They're not getting more members . Scientology's members have been shrinking since the 90s and I would say I mean for a while we were saying it could be 10,000 , it could be 15,000 , could be 20,000 .
I think it's more closer to the 10 , the people that are in Scientology , that are getting counseling or they're going into an organization and participating in training , doing Scientology courses or doing Scientology counseling . I would be surprised if it was more than 10,000 people .
At this point , based on everything that's happening , just even based on the events that they hold , they can't even fill Ruth Eckert Hall .
No , and honestly , even if it is 10,000 , there's no way those 10,000 people are actively doing Scientology courses and training . Just no way .
Here's another good one that helps people when it says what exactly does clear mean ? It just means in Scientology they have this thing called the reactive mind and in Dianetics you learn that the reactive mind is recording these moments of pain and unconsciousness and they may have words or commands attached to them , called engrams .
And when you do Dianetics , auditing and early Scientology procedures you erase and you get rid of those engrams . And when you first start in Scientology they tell you the engrams are what's messing you up .
Right . So it's Dianetics , the modern science of mental health , which , as we've talked about before , is considered the book one of Scientology and Dianetics .
But yes , in that book Hubbard describes the theory that you have an analytical mind and a reactive mind , and the reactive mind is the cause of all somatics , pain , you know , misemotion , all of that kind of stuff .
So if you address the engrams and then realize you're creating your own reactive mind poof , it's all gone , and now you're just a uh hom mind poof , it's all gone , and now you're just a homo novus , I think it's called You're no longer homo sapiens . Yeah , homo sapien , you're a homo novus .
Here's another good follow-up to that .
Love it . Do you think that not having a reactive mind just means going blank ? No reaction emotionally .
Good question I don't think that it means it's , it's literally . This is another . We get into this thing where we're asking questions about bullshit . So , theoretically , if you get rid of the things that are causing negative emotions and negative responses , then you'll be less negative . But really this is all .
This whole end Dianetics thing is just starter bullshit for the bullshit that's going to come . Okay , so they go from it's in grams and grams and grams and grams .
As soon as you get clear , then you enter this place called the non-interference zone and you have to get on your OT levels lickety split , because you now you're like a blank slate and anything that happens in your sponge .
Yeah , that could suck it all . All suck up all the nonsense . But though that being said , I remember . So I was 12 in 1988 when um ot8 was released .
Just gave away your age .
Like , just like that whatever I'm not , I am who I am there you go , except me as I am I was 12 and I remember like knowing people who had attained ot8 and then when I saw them crying or upset , I was like what ? I thought they were OT . What's what's up with that ?
Yeah , we had people at the international . We worked at a place called the international headquarters in Gilman hot Springs , california , one , nine , six , two , five . Highway 79 , gilman hot Springs , california , nine , two , five , eight , three .
If you want to mail them a postcard or something , yeah , anyway , when we worked there it was like what a handful of people maybe 10 or more that were very high OT levels , yep People who were not only at the top of the OT levels but they had also worked for L Ron Hubbard Yep , and some of these people were just , you know , couldn't pour piss out of a
wet paper bag . I mean , they were not movers and shakers , if you know what I mean .
To be fair , I don't think the C organization brought out the best in anybody , just Thane . But I understand . It definitely didn't bring out the OT levels in these folks that they'd done so you know , I'd like to see some people do what they did on two hours of sleep and you know she's sticking up for the flat ball bearings over here , guys .
Anyway , regardless of that , it's the same exact thing . You were saying that you'd see one of these people that were clear or in their ot levels and they're having a little tantrum and you're like , if you got rid of all your nonsense , why are you throwing a temper ?
tantrum correct I mean , it was definitely like and then add on top of that the training routines , the training you're supposed to be able to deal with any communication situation , no matter how tough . And so that , to me , is where the non-emotion , non-reaction element that you see in Scientologist comes in .
It's not actually communication , it's this machinery and programming that Scientologists do hundreds and hundreds of hours in . Really , yeah , and it doesn't help that Like I don't , nothing anyway , whatever .
Yeah , but but what I was leading to a little earlier is that first they say it's all about the engrams . As soon as you get onto the OT levels , the operating Thetan levels , you find out the engrams . Oh , those were , those were , those were . No problem , we got rid of those easy peasy .
The next thing we got to get rid of is tens of thousands , if not millions , of body thetans that are attached to every person .
And then you go like , well , I thought it was the engrams , well , no , it turns out that the body thetans themselves have like tendencies or negative things , and they are now getting you to do negative stuff because the aliens I mean to be fair , they did get blown up in volcanoes by Lord Zeno , according to Hubbard , so they're already not in a good mood ,
just to start with .
Yeah , and let's not forget , so you've achieved the state of clear . If your life is not all daisies and wonderful now , well that's because you're in the non-interference zone and we got to quick , quick , quick , get you onto the upper levels . So essentially , really , what the non-interference zone is .
It's like the upsell aisle in the grocery store , like quick , quick , get more stuff , get more , get more , pay more , pay more , keep going , keep going . And if you're at all unsatisfied it's just because you haven't done the next level .
Yeah , it's , and that's another great thing . I've I've been meaning to say this on a stream and I just I never , I never remember when we're actually doing this dream .
But one of the ways I think is a good way to learn in life is when you have a failure or you make a mistake , then you can analyze what did I do wrong , what do I , what should I do differently , and then you can navigate or engineer another approach or path to solve a task that won't include what you did that made it fail .
Well , scientology has never had a failure . They've never done anything wrong . They've never , they've , they've had , they've had plenty .
They'll just never admit it .
According to them , they're never the ones that are wrong and they're not failing . So , and because Hubbard wrote everything and nothing can ever be changed and he never did anything wrong as well then they never learn and they can never repair or fix themselves , because they've never failed and they never make mistakes .
So there's no reason to change what they're doing . Because if you fail and this is the most amazing part of Scientology is if you , they say in Scientology , if you do it 100% correct and you apply Scientology 100% , then you will have success , and if there's 1% failure , that was you , because Scientology can't be wrong .
So , for any reason , if anything's ever wrong , you did it wrong and you're the problem , and it's never Scientology ever .
No , of course not .
Anyway . Okay , I think we answered those pretty good . Here we go . This is a good one .
Okay , harvey Denton question . What would happen if someone turned up at an org claiming to be the reincarnation of a prominent deceased Scientologist and could quote , unquote , prove it ? How seriously would they take it ? Okay , so , first of all , nope , I mean , how would they actually prove it ?
I mean , if you , I don't know . See , this is another one .
Are they going to dig a hole
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and bury their birth certificate and their clear certificate and then go retrieve those things and then walk into the org with that if that's never happened ? Number one , so there's never been any proof . But number two now you took down the question so I can't remember the second half of the question could , how seriously would they take ?
oh , yeah , they do not take it seriously at all . Like , like we already talked about earlier , there was a thing called Last Life Clear and David Miscavige canceled it . So they do not take it seriously at all . Because guess what , if you're already OT5 , that's a lost source of income .
So , yeah , no , and chances are , in reality those levels have changed since you were here 50 years ago and now you're . You know , I mean factor in the time . Obviously , a newborn is not going to walk into an org , thankfully , so you're going to be at least what 17 , 18 , 19 . So imagine all the revisions that have happened since then .
So , hell , no , they're not going to accept that .
Well in the purse . Harvey's comment says a prominent Scientologist and at the base I know myself of at least a handful of people that none of them came . None of them thought that they were a prominent Scientologist .
There were people that thought that they were , and this is according to the rumors that went around , because I know we've said this before in Scientology rumors for me .
I saw it in Scientology , the people that are confessing to things and admitting things in their counseling whether they're Sea Org members or or employees of Scientology or public civilian Scientologist , it doesn't matter who . Anybody that admits something or says something in their counseling , that's wild . It gets spread around .
It's like people magazine for the for Scientology and Sea Org members , and there was at least one or two people that were thought they were Jesus . There was a gal , abraham Lincoln that . There was a gal that used to work for me and she used to always get really bad headaches and one day she realized that she was .
She used to be Abraham Lincoln in a past life .
But she got headaches , well after like , anyway , whatever .
She got headaches well after . Yeah , Quentin .
Hubbard was another one .
Oh , yeah , quentin , yeah , one of .
Elron Hubbard's sons , who committed suicide .
Somebody thought that they were him . No , multiple people , well , thought that they were him .
So yeah , multiple people . Well , that's true , and that would qualify as a prominent Scientologist one of Hubbard's family , yeah , except well more like prominent SP , because he had been outed . He wasn't part of the fold anymore . Anyhow , oh my gosh . Yeah , there's many rabbit holes we could go down .
Yeah .
But that's a short , a relatively short answer to that question .
Perfectly Next .
Okay question Do you think Miscavige believes in Scientology ? I know others have answered this , but I'm interested to hear what you think . Yes , I know I've seen varying degrees but honestly I say there's no way he believes in Scientology . He believes in maintaining the power of belief to control his minions .
Yeah , he has changed so many things and done so many things that Hubbard said don't do this . He does those things . Hubbard said don't do fundraising , they do fundraising . He said don't do these congresses or events in all these different like basically they just round up everybody in Scientology and have this event . Hubbard said do not do that .
That is the most disruptive thing in Scientology is to have these events , because everybody stops doing their work in Scientology and they get ready for this event . Miscavige any chance he gets for this event . Miscavige any chance he gets .
He tries to find some research note or just new discovery , to undo something that Hubbard said they had to do so that he can change it .
So and also he and if he believed he wouldn't be rewriting all the training ? All the books , all that , and he would be doing getting counseling himself , which he's not . He would be doing the things that Hubbard outlined to do instead of re-mapping the entire landscape of Scientology . Really , that's what he's done , anyway , whatever , that's my answer .
Okay , good Is that your final answer .
That is my final answer .
Anita gave us a super sticker . Thank you for that . Okay , good , is that your final answer ?
That is my final answer . Anita gave us a super sticker .
Thank you for that , anita . Thank you , anita . That's very generous . Okay , we had another one here I really wanted to read because it was great . And also Harvey talk about Harvey's getting a lot of good questions , and here's a good one . This is the one .
Okay , therese Arvin , since the cult is shrinking , what keeps Sea Org members busy for all the working ? I watched your video , but I'm confused . Yeah , that's a good question , I mean whatever .
To be fair , they're doing busy work . To start with , most Sea Org members are pushing paper and cleaning hotel rooms .
Or writing letters or tracking down people that haven't been in Scientology for 30 years and yeah you got to dig .
Hubbard codified and developed Scientology in the 50s and 60s and he stole a lot of their operational techniques and administrative functions from the military .
So they have like three basket in , out and pending communication systems and they're doing everything hard copy on paper and they're writing reports all day on other Sea Org members and ratting each other out and reporting on this and reporting . So Sea Org members do a lot of busy work .
When there are people coming into Scientology and when they're not , people that are coming into the organizations and getting counseling or training on Scientology courses . There's endless amounts of busy work for them to get up to and they're only making . See , this is the key thing . This is a genius in the way Hubbard set it up .
Sea Org members are making $45 a week for a hundred , plus work hour week . So they're not spending money on labor . The biggest expense is the three hots at a cot and the expensive buildings and the upkeep , and so they're basically just treading water for the most part . And there's the people that are in Scientology .
They're giving them $10 million or they're giving them $2 million for some giant bowling trophy at the IAS event , the International Association of Scientology event , at the end of the year . Those . That's how Scientology is surviving .
If all of the Scientology whales dried up and said we're not giving any more money , I think when we left Scientology in 2005 , they had over a billion dollars worth of money that they had received . Scientology had taken in a billion dollars for counseling and training that they had not yet delivered to their publics .
If they just if somebody said we're not going to take in any more money until Scientology delivers everything that it's owed , it would take them hundreds of years to deliver the things that they've already charged people for .
Which , of course , motivated what For them to change their contracts to make sure nobody could ever get their money back .
Yeah , but then also a lot of people get declared a suppressive person . They don't get their money back .
Nope , they also changed it where if you had given money for X and they didn't deliver you X , then they could give you books or materials or give you something else that they did have that they could easily just exchange with you and then clear their debt . But I wouldn't doubt that the number of undelivered services is still in the billion or more .
They didn't deliver all that stuff and they didn't give out that many books and CDs .
Or David Miscavige just canceled that statistic altogether .
Well , I think that is a . I think that's another one of those statistics that Hubbard said . This is your statistic .
He's canceled other things .
Hubbard said we got a Debbie Baker , one of our commenters there . Thank you .
Debbie , appreciate it .
Very , very generous of of you . Okay , um , let's see if we've got any more um comments , or should we do a giveaway ? Should we do like a midway giveaway ?
yeah , let's do a midway giveaway let's see friday night . It's been a long week friday night .
Okay , let me see if I can um do the screen here , the giveaway tool , and we'll share it .
And just as a reminder , the giveaway item for today is the Zinu and the Body of . Thayton's desk mat . That mat right there . Yes .
That's the one we're doing . Oops , okay , here we go , we're going . Oh , we're going to do the draw . Oh , there's 64 people have commented . So that's it what we're doing , and we're going to hit the draw button . Here we go . Commented . So that's what we're doing , and we're going to hit the draw button . Here we go , and it's going .
One of those people , one of these people , is going to be a lucky winner of a Zinu and the body Thetans desk mat and congratulations witness . Awesome , I don't think she's won before .
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, witness , good to see you here . Shoot me an email . All I need is your email and I will send you the giveaway link for this item . Congratulations . There you go , xenu , in the body things I'll say , alex said , oh my God , there's a BT desk mat , yeah of course , Alex . What else would you expect ?
So we're giving away today Xenu in the body things .
Beard for good over here . What else would you expect ?
in the body , bearded beard for good over here . What else would you expect ? Come on now . Absolutely okay , back to the real world over here . I don't know why that camera ? Well , it's just a . It's just a tiny little camera I didn't end up using for a job and I stuck it up there . Um , okay , let's see .
What else do we have any other good do shippy shippy shoe ? We had other questions , mark we did , but , um , I'm I'm running , I'm running out of them . Okay , here we go . This is a good one .
Okay , bears Mom question . Mark , you went from calling Claire sir to doctor .
No , I've never called her doctor , but I did actually . I don't even know . I may have had to call her sir once or twice , but most of the time if I was referring to her I had to actually call her Mr Headley . So if I was Uber weird , yeah .
So if she came down to the area and she said something to so-and-so and because she was from Religious Technology Center and I was in Golden Era Productions , so for context for anyone listening that doesn't know that backstory I was senior to Mark by multiple echelons at that point .
So for a period of eight years I was in Religious Technology Center and Mark was in Golden Era Productions . So during those years , per L Ron Hubbard , he was required to call me sir if he was directly addressing me , or Mr Headley if he was talking about directly addressing me , or Mr Hedley if he was talking about .
So somebody came in .
If she came in and sent a bunch of stuff to some people and then left , and then one of my executives came in and said what happened , I'd say Mr Hedley was just here and then she talked to this person and this person said they need to do blah , blah , blah , based on something that David Miscavige said to do , but I would have to refer to her as Mr
Headley , or actually I could call you , depending on what your job . I could say .
Durr Internal was here and she said this I could say it Internal Exact , I wasn't Durr . Internal , whatever Internal .
Exact .
Yeah , the weirdest thing was the times that I would go to study . So any CEREC member at Hubbard is required to attend study for two and a half hours a day , five days a week . For , like , the minimum amount of study for a member of the Sea Organization is 12 and a half hours of studying Scientology per week , Like it has to be in the schedule .
So at the beginning of every two and a half hour period of study everyone sits down , there's supervisors and the supervisor does a roll call and so for the lower orgs they would just say your name and you would say I , I , I . But for the people in RTC or religious technology center or management they would say Mr Blah , mr Blah , mr Blah .
We were just like oh my God .
That was good too . Yeah , I like this , Joseph Brian Stanley .
Okay , let's see . Oddly , the first thing Miscavige did after LRH died was hold a huge event , Exactly completely .
Literally the week he died they did an event and everybody had to come and find out . But yes , there is .
This is a big deal at the international headquarters because you you can only see this thing that L Ron Hubbard wrote If you're at the very top of Scientology , which is there is a lot of , a lot of things like that that happen at the international headquarters .
You are privy to L Ron Hubbard writings and L Ron Hubbard directives that you can't get at any other level in Scientology . So you get an extra perspective on things where you can see the thing that Hubbard wrote saying do not do these events and they're forbidden . And then you know that there's seven events every year since Miscavige took over .
Right .
And you basically like . Well , why are we doing this , if he said not to do this ? And there's no answer to that question , so yes , another comment from Lapita .
Tori . Tori said she met many Cleopatras , exactly yeah .
Yeah .
There was a yeah .
I think I met a Julius Caesar at one time .
Yeah , I'm pretty sure I mean you know as I'm telling you guys why be mundane when you can be outstanding ? I guess I don't know Like make it entertaining , at least get some creativity in the room .
Yeah , oh , here's , one .
John question what do you think about Joy Vila leaving Scientology ? Yes , good for her , great to her for speaking out and yeah .
It's great . I mean , the thing is about Joy is ? There's a lot of celebrities , I guess , in that kind of people that are known in the outside world , that are in Scientology , and a lot of those people have left recently . What's that skateboarder guy , tony ? No , not Tony the other guy , what's the guy ? Jason Lee , laura Prepon ? There's people that have left .
They just don't tell anybody and they never make it public .
So when somebody leaves and then they tell everybody , that those people have my respect way more than the people that just crawl away and don't say anything .
Yeah that's .
that's where Leah Remini will always have my respect . She didn't . She could have just walked away . Could have just walked away . Luckily she got her entire family out , but she didn't Hell no .
Yeah , okay , here we go .
Okay , here's another one . Kb love it . I think that's when Davey comes up with things like the golden age of tech . So everyone has to do courses over . Yes , that's absolutely correct . Golden age of tech , golden age of knowledge , golden age of admin , golden age of do it all over again . Yeah it's a lot of .
Yeah , it's a lot of nonsense . Yeah , oh , debbie says I never get notifications anymore . Unsubscribe and then resubscribe and then click the bell notification item icon . Usually that fixes it . Sometimes I don't know . Youtube is there's , you know , there's billions of hours of video and people using YouTube , so sometimes things slip through the cracks .
Oh yeah , apostate Alex is in the chat . He said golden age of tech , phase two , don't forget . Yeah exactly Phase two , phase three , phase 500 , you know .
So much nonsense . And Beccacca says this is sunday afternoon already . No , we're doing it early because we're going to be gone on sunday . We're throwing , we're throwing a bone out there because , um , we didn't do it , um , here we go .
Okay , that wasn't it , sorry , okay oh , hey , mark also , so he can make people redo auditing levels they already did . Yes , that's in reference to people having to do things over and over again in Scientology . Yes , dave question . I know Edgar Winter was in Scientology . Was his brother , johnny Winter , in as well ?
I don't actually think so . I know that Edgar Winter came to the international base on a few different occasions to do recordings he recorded at . Edgar Winter actually recorded an album called Space Jazz .
Oh boy .
And was it Space Jazz ? No , Mission Earth . There is an album called Space Jazz , but Edgar Winter recorded this one called Mission Earth . I think Space Jazz was also kind of Mission Earth or Battlefield Earth , kind of adjacent .
But Edgar Winter recorded an album , a bunch of songs from an album called Mission Earth , and it went along with this whole series of books , science fiction Basically . I mean , we've talked about this before , but anybody who hasn't read Mission Earth there's 10 volumes , I think- I don't recommend it . It's basically space porn .
It is .
It's major hardcore triple X space porn .
It's worse than that , actually . I understand Some of it is worse than that .
If they could never make a movie and be true to the books , that wouldn't be triple X .
Correct .
That is the fact of it .
With like a mix of what's it called those dark , you know the .
Hold on a second , let's go , let's zoom in a Claire , it was like , it's like triple X meets snuff movies . What .
Yeah , no , it absolutely is . It would basically be I was allowed to read it when I was 13 and I remember my hair being like wait , what ? Yeah , I remember as a kid being encouraged to read mission earth I was adults were all reading it in scientology and it was like you I read battlefield earth when I was 13 , when I was doing the purification rundown .
Not recommended , by the way , as a 13-year-old , to spend five hours , sometimes 10 hours , a day in the sauna . Not a good idea .
Also , and you were reading it in the sauna . Yeah , she was reading space porn in the sauna , guys .
No , no , this was Battlefield .
Earth . Oh , that's not Mission Earth was the one that was .
That's what I was talking about . Battlefield Earth was just , you know , like so , so sci-fi , nothing compared to Robert Heinlein and you know all the peers , the amazing sci-fi authors from that era where Hubbard was trying to emulate those people , and yeah , whatever , we're off on a tangent , so let's go back to it .
yeah , it's uh definitely mission earth space porn . I they don't talk about that in scientology , they never talk about that aspect .
Nor do they talk about , by the way , that , while Hubbard did not write , the upper OT levels he did write 10 volumes of space porn meets snuff movies another great example of how there's definitely not any OT levels , because Hubbard took a break from writing OT levels to write 10 volumes of space porn . Okay , so there's no over upper OT levels .
And also , he died right after that . He literally wrote that and then died . So , anyway , he , he , he . I'm not gonna . We can't keep talking about it because my , uh , my dialogue will devolve very quickly . Um , okay , what else do we got here ? Um , here's a good okay .
Jessica question has the decay of Scientology
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moved slower or faster than you have expected ? Very definitely faster , I mean we you know Mark has been had started posting on the internet in 2006 . That's , we got out in 2005 .
So we literally now have been exposing and talking about Scientology abuses for 20 years and I will absolutely say that HBO's documentary Going Clear , leah Remini's Scientology in the Aftermath exponentially increased the decline of Scientology . I mean , we had done multiple documentaries , participated in many different things prior to that .
We live in a small town in Colorado . The impact that it had was very obvious to Mark and I because we'd have people coming up to us who had known us for 10 years in our small town and , of course , we have businesses , we work , we interact with people .
It's not that we don't talk about it , but we don't make it our leading line like oh hi , I'm Claire , nice to meet you . I was born in a cult and spent the first 30 years of my life and escaped and yeah , hey , let me help you .
That's not how we would lead , anyway , and the point being that we saw an exponential increase in the amount of people generally publicly aware of the abusive and dangerous nature of Scientology .
Yes , oh , here's another . Oh , it's a fall .
Oh , Joseph Brian Stanley Mission Earth artwork was very erotic as well . I was around 10 when it came out . They had cosplay characters running around Big Blue at the time , oh my .
God , that's right they had . There's a guy . Yeah , because there was this . There's a guy .
Yeah , cause there was a Jethro Heller and I think his sister's name was Heidi in the book .
The artist . There's an artist who did all of these paintings for mission earth and his name was Frank Frazetta , and Frank Frazetta , basically for every . I think he might've done the all of the covers of those books , like all of the book covers . And then they had all this artwork that they were selling , which I will tell you a little secret .
We'll give you a little hint of a secret about that whole thing , but either way , he had these women were very scantily clad in all of , and I remember Scantily clad in all of , and I remember Scantily clad .
I remember when Wait what .
They would sell these paintings . They were like $10,000 for a painting and they were signed and they were special printings and all this other stuff and there was a whole bunch of TNA flapping around in these pictures and they would be up in the organizations and you'd be like going . I was a little kid . I was like I want to say what 88 is when ?
A lot of that stuff , when did a lot of that stuff come out ? In the mid 80s , right right , it was like late 80s , mid 80s , somebody google , google , foo , when mission earth came out earlier well , yeah , but yeah , but Mission Earth was the spaceport .
Yeah , I think it came out I don't know roughly 86 to 88 . I'm not sure .
Either way , when these things came out , they had titties and all the orgs in these pictures . That's how it went . It was a lot . It was a lot if you were a young man going into the organization .
A young boy , you're like wait what ?
You're like so what are we doing here ? What's going on ? Yes , Joseph , the Mission Earth artwork . I totally forgot about all that .
Yeah , I did too .
Look , it's Casey .
Casey , I love to you both .
Thanks , Casey . It's very generous of you .
Never ceases to make me laugh .
Anyway , what else do we got Wait , I don't see any other questions in there If we've gotten , some I didn't see .
Let me look .
Hold on , You've been yapping and I've been yapping and no one's been starring anything . I'm just going to throw up a few little here and I'll read them while you look . Hello to the other Aftermath gang , If you're listening Christy , Leah , Amy , Matt and the rest . We miss you . Yes , absolutely , We'll let them know .
We will , indeed , and Amy , when we did the foundation live a few weeks ago talking about all the different programs that the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation has been working on , amy and Matt joined us for that and Amy said she might consider coming back for , uh , our gosh , what was it called ?
Uh , weekly wednesday updates that we always did that we had so much fun doing and talking about all things , oh , all things scientology . Gosh , how can I forget that we did like 27 episodes of that for yeah , that would be fun yes , anyway so , but yes , we will pass that along . Thank you for that , love it .
After a few years , didn't you run out of stuff to study ? You would think so , but no , because there was always new things , or you know , just like we were talking about with the golden age of tech and golden age of admin and golden age of blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah . Same was true .
And actually , as a Sea Org member , you always had to have what was called a TIP , a Technical Individual Program , which dictated the courses and the counseling that you were required to do . So if you ever ran out , then they would give you more to do .
Nice , I think it was Women on Wednesday women on Wednesday .
There you go , something like that . But either way , I , we , we had a lot of fun doing that and obviously life got in the way , but hopefully we can get back to that Cause I would love that .
Yeah .
Yep , and yeah , that's about it . So why don't you do the giveaway ? I'll look for any last um questions oh , wait um , okay love maddie question how successful do you think the scientology podcast with carrie casem will be destined for failure ?
yeah , they're not allowed to talk about anything real with anybody . Real , no , everything's .
They're not allowed to respond to any real questions like is Scientology a cult ? They can't answer that question . So you know and that's usually the first question that anyone I was thinking about that .
You know , they Scientology put up this whole fight about the curious billboards and um , alleging that it was their trade dress , and I , I thought to myself , gosh , how really stupid are they . Because in this day and age , if you're curious about something , what do you do ? You Google it on the internet , at least as a starting point .
Yeah , yeah , bad news , scientology . Have you Googled yourself lately ? Yeah ?
Yeah , I don't know . Somebody said Emlyn Smith just found an audio drama of invaders planet . Am I listening to this thing or later , or not ? I don't think that the audio versions will have the space porn in them . I think they're . The audio versions are cut down of what the book is .
Really it's a bridged .
Yeah , 100% . Yeah , I mean each volume was like they were giant , easily two , two inches thick . They were like the other thing . I just saw somebody said it and said uh , joseph , brian Stanley , 88 , the same time . So mission earth came out in 1988 . I knew it was in the late 80s . Yeah , so it came out the same time .
But it wasn't all released all at once .
I understand . Okay , but it came out , started coming out in 88 . It was the same time as OT8 . So they released the last operating Phaeton level , number eight , that Hubbard ever wrote . He didn't write any other after that ever wrote . He didn't write any other after that .
So if any , if you see any ot9s or 10 coming out of scientology , that's some more made up nonsense which , to be fair , l run . Hubbard made it up in the first place . So making up some new stuff's not that really a stretch . But either way that he came out with ot8 , which I'm gonna say ot8 . How many pages is ot8 ?
like I don't actually know , but it's not that long let's say it's 20 or 30 pages yeah , it's not long at all . Let's say it's 50 pages for comparison , and so you understand what we're talking about . Ot7 takes anywhere from you know , easily two to ten years .
Uh , ot8 took generally a week yeah , just for Just for to the operating Thetan level eight . Yeah , it takes a week , it's a week . You go that to free wins and a week or two later you're done .
Yep .
Now you . I think you would be hard pressed to read mission earth If you read it all day and all night . I think you'd be hard pressed to get through it in a week if you just read all day and all night . Yeah , it would take you .
I mean , if you're a speed reader , mad genius . I mean , anyway , I'm not a slow reader , I'm not a super fast reader , but you know me , I read books all the time , at least once a week or one or two weeks .
Yeah , if it's .
If it's exceptionally good , then it will be read in two days . Yeah .
Anyway .
Scientology peeling . The onion Mark said 1985 , by the way . But yeah , it's fine Either way , it was all right around in the same like period . Yeah , the audio versions .
the cassette versions may have come out in the later 80s or either way , but regardless , Hubbard did write 10 volumes , hundreds and thousands of pages of space porn and no OT levels .
So evidently he wasn't doing the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics .
The guy had priorities . Okay , he had priorities , and one thing was that it is all crap .
Exactly , that's . That's exactly right . Jess Wilco said my mother was on OT seven for 18 years .
Yeah .
There you go . Gary Jackson Moorhead hey , you two fabulous people .
Hey Gary , hey Jackson , okay , let's see . Yeah , there you go . Ddk , it's all crap yeah .
Yep , it is .
It's it . So for anybody who's like , how can you talk about this If you didn't do that level ? Um , I didn't . The fact that I didn't pay to do the OT levels and I was able to read them online and just rip through them and not have anybody tell me I was doing it wrong or doing it right Um , I was able to ascertain that they're a bunch of nonsense .
And also , you learn about how to get rid of space cooties . That's what you learn on the OT levels . Okay , and then you on OT7 , this woman who says that her mom was on OT7 for 18 years . Ot seven is where you're . You're basically like your own personal immigration office and you're evicting illegal aliens from your body all day . That's what you're doing .
You're evicting body Thetans that are living in you and and and negatively affecting your life . And you , you're supposed to do this every single day and sometimes multiple times a day . Right , you're supposed to do it . You're supposed to go on session if you can , even once or twice a day .
Not just once a day , but multiple times , cause these space cooties they get to moving around . If you don't keep kicking them out , they might find another good hiding place . So you got to keep them on the ball .
Yep .
Yeah , we're members of the Sea Org .
Here we go . Okay , japan of Green Gables . Hey , hey , hey , question . We're members of the Sea Org with front-facing posts required to read LRH fiction , in case any public asked about it .
Not really .
No , I mean , we were all required to read I Pedrito when that came out , but not for the purpose of answering questions , though . Were you supposed to read , like the Hubbard , basic books to be able to answer any questions about Scientology ? Absolutely , but the fiction I mean possibly at Bridge Publications and Author Services .
Maybe I didn't hear about that being a requirement . No , anyhow , yeah .
Yeah , the people that were required to read it were the people that worked at Bridge Publications , who made the book , just because they're selling it and they're talking about it , and then the people that worked at this place called Author Services or ASI , and they're the ones that get the books translated and produced and do book fairs and all this , you know
nonsense .
It just made me laugh about like the whole hard sell , like what are they going to do ? Hard sell you on . You just did a better hard sell job on Mission Earth . There's already people looking it up like wow , spaceborne . I'm going to go read this .
Yeah , yeah , you know , I wish , I wish I had a referral link , but we ain't on the best of terms with those folks , so I don't think I'm getting one . But , um , somebody messaged me the other day saying that we get this all the time . I we get one of these emails like probably every six months , like hey , I went to go buy your book on Amazon .
It was $650 .
Oh my gosh . Yeah , I know so . So backstory we do not sell on Amazon , we have , we have a hand . Oh sorry , you always correct me on this . We sell Kindle and audible on Amazon . For the actual physical books , we sell those on . Okay , that's enough , enough , move along . Please Come on now , geez .
For the actual physical books , there's a very limited amount of copies left of paperback and hardback and we sell those directly on our merch store or on our website , belongforgoodcom . That's where you can buy them at a very reasonable rate of $19.95 for a paperback version and $24.95 for a hardback , plus , of course , the cost of shipping . So there you have it .
That's my answer .
Okay , we can be good now . Okay , do we need to do a second giveaway ?
Yep , we'll do one last giveaway and then we'll let everyone go be free . Bts for friday free bts .
Okay , we're gonna draw again . See up here in the corner it says draw again . I'm gonna hit that button and then we're off . Here we go , here we go , and one lucky winner is gonna win a xenu in the body , thetan's desk mat . Congratulations , mark .
You don't even have to do anything , I'll send you a giveaway link , mark . Congratulations , there you go .
Look at that . You know , see , it's definitely not rigged we . I know stream yards giveaway tool man . It's great , Look at that . Good job , Mark .
Um go .
Okay , I think we did good here we're going to . It's the summer , guys .
We got kids , we got jobs , we got summer and we do have something special happening , not this Sunday , but next Sunday , so June 8th . So if you didn't get a notification bell today , then do what Mark suggested unsubscribe , resubscribe , hit that notification bell . We will be doing a special thing . Mark doesn't even know what I'm talking about , so it's okay .
Just you know he does what I tell him , even if it appears otherwise on camera .
Yeah , I'm finding out for the first time , guys . Okay , thanks , guys , we will do , but we will be in and out throughout the summer . We're going to try and do as many as we can , but I'm going to be in . I think I counted it up . I'm going to be in nine states , different states , doing work this summer .
And then we just have a lot going on in our , in our , just our regular everyday lives . At least most of the time . Those are not long trips , so you will be back for most of the weekends and I have a really good idea to pitch to you for for my filler , filler . You know days that I need to fill for you . I had , I had a really good idea .
I just have to make sure you know you approve my complete .
Oh , look at this guy , You're hearing it right here . Um awesome guys do whatever I want . So yeah , I don't . It's like , if she wants to do , uh , you , we do have a bunch of people that you were going to . Um , we do have a whole bunch of new interviews that we're doing on the channel with some amazing people .
So I'm looking forward to that and , yes , I I thoroughly enjoy when I I just honestly have been really buckling down to finish my book , which is finally making some really good progress . End of June is when I will be done with my first draft and I'm aiming for later this year for release . So , yay , Nice .
Awesome guys . Well , thank you very much for joining us today , and I think we did all the giveaways , we did all the stuff , yep . Much for , uh , joining us today and , um , I think we did all the giveaways , we did all the stuff , yep , um thanks to everyone joining us . Hope you have an amazing
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