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This is Bloomberg Tech coming up. President Trump says he has identified a buyer for the US operations of TikTok.
Plus Canada withdraws its digital services tax that could have cost Big Tech billions in a.
Move to restart trade talks for the.
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There's a lot going on ed that also might be involving Oracle in the future. President Trump says that they have a buyer for TikTok's US operations, but he stopped short of naming the bidder, saying on other networks that the transaction would need China approval. For more bluebags, Mike Shepherd joins us for more and there is an articulation that we've got a buyer. But the big if is what China does with this information.
Well, that's right, Caro, China has a huge stake in this, and they really will have the final say, given that byte Dance, the parent of TikTok is based in Beijing and also happens to oversee some of what the Chinese government would consider sensitive technology, the kind that would need government approval to engineer any kind of final sale, even if the company were to retain control over the algorithm.
Our reporting back in April indicated that the deal that had been taking shape at the White House, involving Byte Dance, TikTok Us officials, and a number of prospective buyers in this consortium, it would have left the algorithm in China's hands. But even with that, with trade tension surging between Washington and Beijing, it became two difficult to get this deal further along to get Beijing's approval.
At the time, Mike, we're currently in this kind of extension period, the latest extension to get a deal done. So that's where it stands. But what's our sense of who that this mysterious victorious bidda might be.
Well, it really is appearing to be based on some reporting this morning, that we're getting in and it all still taking shape. But our sense is that it is essentially the same consortium that had been working on that we had reported on back in April. And this includes Oracle Corp, which already does quite a bit of back end business for TikTok here in the US through Project Texas.
And then it would also include venture capital firm and recent Horowitz and Blackstone and some other investors in byte Dance, the US based investors in byte Dance perhaps, and the idea would be to dilute Byteedance's steak in the US operations of TikTok down below a threshold that is specified in the twenty twenty four law that calls for it to be divested from Chinese ownership and also include the
algorithm in the sale. And that algorithm ed is going to be what could emerge as a sticking point at least here in Washington if it is not transferred from Chinese control. That could be grounds for at least some objections at least in Congress. It's unclear though, whether those will materialize into anything significant enough to either halt the deal or force a shutdown as the law would specify. As you said, we do have more time to think
about this. The President just signed an extension from June nineteenth, and that'll carry US into September. The other thing that Wall specified, though, Ed, is you'll recall there was only one extension allowed by the President and he's already on number three, so it's unclear how much further he'll be able to take.
This head in both Michael Sheppard out of Washington, d C. Thank you very much. Let's talk a little bit more broadly about tech markets. Angelou Coull Covers Edward Join Senior Investment Strategies joins us now, saying that Caroline was talking about at the top of the show, believe it or not, it's the last day of the second quarter. We already arrived to the second half of what has been an
intense year in the technology sector. The Nasdaq one hundred is like modestly higher right now in the session, but we continue to push consecutive record highs. What is the single catalyst for tech right now?
Angelo, Yeah, as you said, certainly a lot has happened in the first half of the year, and maybe the fact that we are hitting all time highs, we see that as a validation of the positive momentum, not an indication or a signal of an imminet correction. Certainly, the decline the the risking in geopolitical trade tensions and the other tensions has helped. But at the same time, really what is undisputed is the strength in corporate profits, especially
within tech. We are hitting all time highs, but it is the largest companies that are driving this. About six percent of the S and P five hundred has been hitting new heisers of the last Friday, so it hasn't yet been broad but at the same time that shouldn't really dilute the methods that we remain. In a bull market summer center. This is ahead, but corporate profits is what is driving this action.
Corporate profits that sees growth actually start to accelerate out of the US angelo going forward the second half, is it going to be US exceptionalism or if we look at what Bloomberg Intelligence have just been writing great piece of analysis coming out of Gina and her team today saying the US is no longer settling the pace for global tech earnings.
In fact that's going to Asia and Europe. What do you make of it?
What is happening is the growth gap and the growth advantage that the US has had is narrowing, especially as we think about this year. Europe is accelerating from stagnation, while we are deccelerating from a very strong starting point. But at the same time, looking at the major in this is for international un developed large cup equities. It's been an erring of the gap invaluations, which still remains
in large rather than an earnings story. So if we see some stabilization in the US dollar in the second half, based on the earnings still outperformance from US equities, we would expect potentially US tech and US assets more broadly to come back into favor.
Okay, any area in particular, we've been all about hardware for the last couple of years.
Software got its moment in the sun.
But I'm interested is the eraror areas in particular that you like within the tech ecosystem of the US.
I think the equal weighted index is also one way to go and participate in that likely broadening that is happening. Yes, and VIDA and semiconductors remain key at the center of the exciting secular tail winds that are ahead. But we are seeing last week the equal weighted technology S and B make new highs relative to the market, and that
is an encouraging development. So remain broadly diversified software still likely favored, but that is the case for many other sectors, and we can talk about that as well well.
And I kind of want to go back to the top news stories of the day, which largely center around trade, Canada and digital tax. We have heard and we will hear again very shortly from US Treasury Secretary Scott Besson. But the reason I bring that up is that in summary of the prior quarter, it was really trade that was driving us. I asked this difficult question to every markets participant that comes on the show, what happens next, particularly in tech.
Yeah, trade that in the near term is still going to be front and center. We have the deadline that is coming up to line ninth, but that date it has been dereased a little bit. The administration has indicated that this could be extended. There's any potential agreements with major trading partners underway, and this can be unveiled over the coming days. But since the start of the year, we are seeing this expected and gradual pyvot towards more
market friendly policies, tax cuts, regulations. So there could be some near term volatility and some potentially less friendly economic data that reflect a mindly stagflationary impact, but markets are going to be able to look through that as they Foction twenty twenty six.
And going back to the micro to finish, I talked about those two deals at the top, Palenteer partnering with Accentia sales channel Oracle thirty billion dollars per year cloud client. Outside of those just being news stories that drive those single names higher, how much do you track those data sets for signals of how enduring an AI investment cycle is or how real any of this is in the AI context.
These are important and no doubt the cycle of Israel. We see that in broader adoption and we see that in the results from the companies that are centered in this space. As we think about moving further away from the trade headwinds, that's going to be an ext major step some confidence for more deals to happen, and I think that is something that can be supportive of the market and the tech space in gener.
For now, still very much things that we can tend with. On the day, Angelo Kukafas, we thank you so much of Edward Jones. Coming up those headwinds, we discuss Canada actually though withdrawing its digital services tax in order to restart US trade talks.
More on that next peacibly bad tech.
Republican Party leaders are rushing to overcome infighting in an effort to pass President Trump's Big, Beautiful bill, as Democrats launch an initiative to exploit those divisions more bloombos. Katie Lines joins us. Now, I don't think in my career, at least, I'm sure in yours you have tracked as closely the passage of the bill, the politics of it, and the content of it. What's the latest.
Well, obviously this is a massive package, and it's been
very complicated. The so called vote Rama Bean in the Senate this morning is expected to go all day into tonight, perhaps even into the early hours of tomorrow, as they vote on an unlimited number of amendments to this bill, including the likes of the one put forward by Senator Ron Johnson, who would like to see a phasing out of the expansion population of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act of Susan Collins's amendment, but that would give more
funding to rural hospitals in exchange for raising the tax rate on the country's highest earners, and of course Democrats are going to put hold a boatload of amendments to try to get Republicans on the record with things that may be politically unpopular, but all of it is aimed at trying to get the requisite votes needed to pass, knowing that John fu and the Senate Majority leader can only lose three and there's still about eight Republican holdouts
who have not committed to voting yes on this legislation, including Tom Tillis, who said yesterday in a surprise announcement, not only would he not be voting for this package, but he's actually not seeking reelection in twenty twenty six.
So the math is difficult, and math is actually one of the first things they tackled this morning is they voted to adopt the so called current policy baseline, which essentially fudges the accounting to say that the tax cuts don't cost four and a half trillion dollars in tax cuts, about three point eight of them three point eight trillion dollars are taken out as current policy because it's extending
the twenty seventeen tax cuts. It's aimed at lowering the price tag, at least on paper, but that still may not be enough to appease fiscal conservatives, especially in the House, which of course has to revote on this package, assuming that it can get through the Senate. So this voter rama is really just step one in a number of remaining hurdles.
Well, Katie, there were some maths that was very much an obsession of big tag that no longer has to be in anxiety. I'm talking about digital services taxes that were coming into full today phone Canada on American giants and now no more tolk.
Us to it.
Yeah. President Trump on Friday threatened Canada essentially saying that within a week they would be getting a new tariff rate and trade negotiations were going to end entirely over this digital services tax, which could cost American companies like
Meta or Alphabet billions of dollars. Those first payments were expected to be due today, and tell Canada basically acquiesced to Trump's demands, deciding to rescind that digital services tax in the name of restarting trade negotiations, and they're now looking at trying to get a trade deal done by July twenty first. That of course is a little bit later than the deadline. Other countries are working with July ninth.
Of course, that wider deadline that's coming up very quickly, and the digital services taxes for trading partners like the European Union for example, are still likely seen as sticking points. So while it's still been resolved between the US and Canada at least for now, that's something we can expect to come up in trade negotiations as they move forward in the coming days.
Elsewhere bloom megs Kayleie lyines, thank you so much. In Washington and look US Treasury sectories, Scott Bessen joined Blue Meg Shanon just this morning to give some insight into current trade talks, saying we should expect a flurry of deals soon.
Take a listen.
So it's going to be a flurry going into the final week as the pressure increases.
Well, can you tell us about what's coming out of those deals? Are they inked deals or are they negotiations for future deals?
Well, what I can tell you is that the staff level, whether it's a Treasury at USTR, at commerce, people who've been around for twenty years are in amazement and they're saying these countries are coming with offers that they can't believe. So in terms of bringing down tariffs, non tariff trade barriers. We're leaving a side currency, the financing of the labor and capital in an advantageous way. All these countries are pulling back.
So you've said that trade negotiations could be wrapped up by how should investors and nations impact It'd be thinking about that July ninth deadline and could that be pushed back to avoid going back to those April second tariff rates.
Well, that's going to be able to President Trump. And I'm not going to tell any country. We have countries that are negotiating in good faith, but they should be aware that if we can't get across the line because they are being with calcitrant, then we could spring back to the April second levels. I hope that won't have to happen.
That was US Treasury Secretary Scott Beston. Let's stay on the impact of tariffs and bring in Rachel Hoff, policy director at the Ronald Reagan Institute, who joins us on set here in San Francisco Trade in Tariffs. That the policy platform that the administration has explained to us in this program through Michael Kratzios is promote and protect in
the context of the technology sector. But as we learn about the content of the deals, we're increasingly talking about which camp you're in impact how you feel about it. If you're a consumer, you feel one way about tariffs. If you're a technology company you may feel differently. What does your research tell you about where we will land in the sort of public conscience of how impactful these trade deals have been.
Well, we have.
Research at the Reagan Institute on kind of both of those camps.
We have, particularly in the national.
Security domain, a tech sector focused project that we have our National Security Innovation based program. And then in terms of consumers and more broadly the American people, we're just out last week with a new survey, a public opinion poll asking the American people what they think about a range of issues, including trade, in tariffs, and on tariffs in particular, Americans are supportive of tariffs on China, but
not at the expense of higher prices. That that flips when you put it up against rising consumer prices.
What's so interesting in your data and research, Rachel, is the anxiety that everyone has around technology theft with China.
That's the number one concern, right.
That's right, Americans are concerned about a number of issues with regard to China, from their military build up to their economic practices to human rights abuses. But your right, Caroline, Top on the list of Americans concerns about China is technology theft. Shortly behind that is Chinese advancements in AI and the prospect that they may actually advance more quickly than the US in terms of our artificial intelligence research
and leadership. So the technology concerns that I know are of interest to your audience are really top on the mind of the American people as well when it comes to Beijing.
At the global stage. There are many factors and considerations for American citizens. What Caroline just says really interesting tech theft, but absolutely at the top based on what I'm reading, is actually Iran and what's happening in the nuclear context. That's right.
When we ask about geopolitical issues more broadly, from China to the war between Russia and Ukraine to tariffs, one geopolitical issue stands out above all others that the American people think matters to US security and prosperity, and that's preventing around from getting a nuclear weapon. Our poll was before the recent strikes, but we know that preventing around from nuclear from getting a nuclear weapon is of concern
to eighty four percent of Americans. You don't get to eighty four percent without being there on a bipartisan basis. A majority of Democrats and a majority of Republicans want to prevent ran from getting a nuclear weapon.
What seems to have been very holistically fold of on this show is how we therefore need to innovate when it comes to defense tech. Rachel, with this empowered, with the data that you bring and the research, what does colport in America go and do about it?
You know, I think that's ultimately ultimately the question. And with tariffs, not just you know, not just looking at China, but you know, not all tariffs are created equal. Right when we look at tariffs on China, this broader conversation about strate strategic decoupling of our economies on a national security basis, that's different than tariffs on our allies and
our friends. The American people understand that, and certainly corporate America, certainly the US tech sector understands that, and particularly with regard to the supply chain challenges that they face if we have sustained and long term tariffs against our allies and friends. That's going to hurt the American tech sector, and it's going to hurt our ability to modernize our military and develop the capabilities we need to meet the national security threats of tomorrow.
Well, I'm sure that this sort of data is going to be very useful for policy making. You are the policy director at the Ronald Reagan Institute. We appreciate the time and the insights. Rachel Hope, thanks for joining.
Now.
Coming up, let's talk more about geopolitics Israel in Iran's recent will revealed a key risk for global shipping. Well on that next. In today's Big Take, This is Tech. The Iran Israel war highlighted critical flaws among the world's shipping giants, with many of the satellite navigation systems among ships and tankers being vulnerable to mass jamming as.
They traversed vital waterways.
Bloomberg's Jack Westles joins us now for more on today's Big Take.
Jack set the scene.
How integral is this sort of technology to shipping writ large.
So shits do use satellite navigation systems to navigate nowadays. One of the most common ones is GPS. There's also Russian ones, it's called glonas and a couple of other ones as well. So it's really integral to how the shipping industry operates. And don't forget that the shipping industry is responsible for transporting more than eighty percent of world trade.
Jack, I spent all morning reading and learning about jamming and spoofing. Explain the basic definitions and the data analysis you did on how that's happening and playing out in that region.
Yeah, that's a great question because they're not quite the same thing. So jamming is essentially where so these are satellite navigation systems, so the ships are receiving signals. So jamming is when these signals are essentially overwhelmed, like imagine someone just shouting really loudly over the signal. Whereas, and you know, the ship system essentially gets confused. Whereas spoofing is when a fake signal is specifically fed to the ship,
and that can be more insidious. You could really get a ship and slowly lure it off its path by feeding it a fake signal and potentially leading it into trouble.
And where is the sort of trouble arising tend to be in the straight of wall moves is it more broad than that.
Yeah, so we looked at a few hot spots. So yes, there's been lots in the Persian Gulf and the straight up wall Moos. Other hot spots include the Red Sea, the Black See, the Baltic Sea. Especially, there's a hotspot near Primorsk, which is a big oil terminal for Russia. So you notice that these are regions of geopolitical tension. You know, you've obviously got recent attacks by who Thi's
in the Red Sea. You've obviously had Iran Israel in the Persian Gulf, and Russia's oil exports always subject to lots of sanctions. And you've obviously got the Russia Ukraine War as well.
Bloombos Jack whistles with today's big take, Thank you very much. Now coming up, we'll dig into how the Supreme Court's ruling on birthright citizenship and other Trump immigration policies are impacting a key component of the tech workforce, that is the H one B visa holders. Really critical conversation for our audience coming up here next. This is Bloomberg Tech.
Welcome back to Bloomberg Tech. Welcome to the final day of the second quarter, the final day of the first half of twenty twenty five, and the Nasdaq one hundred, it's that index always go to because as a high concentration of tech is once again pushing fresh record highs. Look at the chart at April that was post deep seek when there was a lot of volatility in markets, and we've really rebounded since then again pushing across many
days consecutive record highs. Right now, as I read across the Bloomberg newsroom, it is trade and trade headlines that are driving markets for tech. But as we talked about earlier in the show, you look at names like Palenteer and Oracle, there are lots of deals, particularly in the AI context. They're giving us evidence that this spending on AI is playing into the story as well. Caro, what a chart it is to show to end the first half of twenty twenty five.
What a ride, What a ride it has been from an asset perspective and.
From political perspective.
Let's just talk about how your musk has slammed the US Senates version of the President Trump's tax bill ed. Look, the TESLA CEO is warning that cuts to electric vehicle and other clean energy credits would be quote incredibly destructive to the country. He said the bill would actually destroy million of US jobs while subsidizing what he called industries of the past. That's bring in Bloomberg's Max Chafkin, who I'm sure was glued to some of these posts on Saturday.
And is it making any dent Do you think from the political standpoint that.
He wants it to?
I mean, it doesn't seem to be.
He's been railing about this, you know, from around the time when he and you know, Donald Trump had their spat, you know, their public spat, which which ended with social media insults, and seems to still be going on to some extent. That's been going on for weeks, and it
hasn't seemed to slow this bill down. In fact, you know, we've seen versions of the bill where instead of sun setting these consumer tax credits which make it seventy five hundred dollars cheaper for consumers to buy an electric vehicle, sun setting those ninety days from passage rather than one hundred and eighty days, creating a situation where Tesla could be impacted.
As early as the end of this year.
This would be a real challenge for a company that has already struggled with demand, especially amid all the controversy caused by Elon musk support of Donald Trump.
Max you pointed out on X something that we've talked about often on the show, which is the President was quite consistent on his approach to these kinds of incentives, But so was Elon Musk. You know, he kind of regularly said we'll do away with them because he felt that they, at least as I understand it, he felt it gave other legacy alto makes a leg up that Tesla just didn't need it need and now he's upset. Just just give us that backstory.
Yeah, I mean, historically Musk's position has been we don't need the subsidies, and I think one of the reasons for that is that historically the subsidies were going to sunset.
You know, this is before Joe Biden.
We're supposed to sunset once an automaker hit a specific number that got take gotten rid of. But must continue to say he would rather have a level playing field, which sort of made sense because Tesla was the most profitable of the company selling electric vehicles, that is, its electric vehicles were most profitable. Now, the thing is, over
the last year Tesla's financial position has changed to some extent. Right, We've been talking about these sales challenges, sales falling in China, in Europe and so on.
Meanwhile, you have other.
Electric vehicle makers becoming more competitive. That's creating pressure on the company's finances. And I think that's one thing that has changed besides the obvious, you know, blow up between Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
But to be fair to you, a Muskit, perhaps one.
Thing that also hasn't changed on his part is that he's railed against the deficit and debt. So how much do we know that this is the nuance that he's really angry about, or more broadly, his view that we need to rain in spending in America.
Listen, I mean he's railing about the debt as well. While while he's tweeting about you know, these the US you know, hurting the clean energy industry or as he sees it, he's also saying that this bill is going to increase the debt and the deficit. Of course, Musk spent months trying to work on that with DOJE, and in certain ways I guess this bill he sees it
as an affront to those efforts. You know, I think the EV policy and the clean energy policies are a big deal here, whether or not Musk specifically points to them or not, because they will affect the bottom line of the company that.
You know is most important to his portfolio.
Glommost Max Chafkin, a veel on ink team, Thank you very much. Tech companies are top employers of high skilled immigrants in the United States on H one B visas, but a recent ruling by the Supreme Court is raising questions about the legal status of children born to those visa holders. Here to talk about the impact on the tech sector, Hibbert Amber. She's a partner with ericson Immigration Group, and I think starting with the basics here is important.
What happened with the Supreme Court ruling and what are the mechanics of what it means for H one B visas that we've just outlined.
So the Supreme Court ruled that federalist judges cannot issue nationwide injunctions, and so this decision basically affects how legal challenges to President Trump's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order can actually proceed, and it's scheduled to go back into effect July twenty seven. So what this means is that if an H one B visa holder wants to insulate their baby from the effects of the executive order, they need to sue individually, or join a class action lawsuit, or live in a
state that sues or successfully obtains an injunction. So essentially, the ruling opens the door to piecemeal enforcement of immigration policies, which will potentially lead to differing legal standards in different
parts of the country. But coming back to your question about how it impacts tech companies, what this means is that there's a possibility that the babies of the employees of these tech companies will be treated differently depending on where the employee sues or where the employee lives, and that is going to create a whole new category of employee questions and policy considerations for the company that it has not had to grapple with in the past.
We heard from US Attorney General Pambondi about this in Friday Show.
Just listen to what she had to say.
So birthright citizenship will be decided in October in the next session. However, it indirectly impacts us because, as you correctly pointed out, if there's a birthright citizenship case in Oregon, it will only affect the plaintiff in Oregon, not the entire country. So yes, it's indirectly, but that's pending litigation and we're waiting on that in the next term. We're very confident in the Supreme Court, but again it's pending
litigation and that will directly be determined in October. But it indirectly impacts every case in this country, and we're thrilled with their decision today.
Hibber, would you kindly in term for it and explain that the pending action in October that the Attorney General Bondie was talking about.
So my understanding about what's happening in October is that there's going to be a decision in terms of like the merits of the Birthright Citizenship exist Excutive Order itself. So if you recall what happened on Friday, was the Supreme Court only ruled as it pertains to the judge's ability to issue a nationwide injunction. There has not been any sort of a decision on the constitutionality of the
Birthright Citizenship Executive Order itself. So therein lies I think the issue because we're facing the next several months of different states having different standards and babies born in those states being treated differently. That is where the logistical, administrative, and possibly even bureaucratic challenges will arise, both for the high skilled H one B visa holders or high skilled immigrants in the country as well as the companies that employ them.
Let's look at those companies again. Hib We've got a beautiful chart to shows how integral H one B visas, for example, are for certain US tech giants Amazon. This emphasis, of course, we will recognize, is dependent on H one B as well cognizant Google. This sort of perception of instability and immigration, what does it mean for US employees do you think?
I think it's important to note that the tech companies in the United States do rely on high skilled immigrants from other countries, and part of the reason for their success and their ability to remain competitive on a global stage has been their ability to hire the best and
the brightest. So if there are high skilled immigrants out there who have even the slightest perception of instability in the US immigration system, there's a chance that that might factor into their decision to accept an offer from a US company or accept an offer from a company in
another country. So what the companies and folks in the United States really have to I think grapple with is whether they want those skills and that innovation to go elsewhere as opposed to the benefit of the US companies.
Hibo, what are you advising in the era now? You must be filled in countless cools. And if there is an employee who's trying to learn someone who might eventually already be pregnant or thinking about it, going to have to sue on an individual basis?
Do you think so?
Individuals as it stands right now until something changes, unlessen until something changes. If an individual wants to insulate their future baby from being impacted by the Birthright Citizenship Executive Order, either they have to sue individually, or they have to join a class action, or they have to be in a state that sued on the merits of birthright citizenship, so that the individuals from that state are somehow insulated
from the applicability of the executive order. So that is where I find some challenges to tech companies that actually employ a lot of these vise holders, because what I think is going to happen is companies are going to start to get questions that they've never really had to
answer before. For example, what if the employee is scheduled to relocate to a different state but doesn't feel comfortable relocating to that state because they're concerned about whether or not their child will be considered a US citizen upon birth. Is the company now going to change something about the relocation. Are they going to extend some sort of reasonable comma. Are they going to stay away from the topic altogether?
These are now the policy company policy considerations that I think a lot of tech companies are going to have to decide.
HI about ANVA.
Great to have you on Thank you partner with ericson Immigration group. Meanwhile, coming up, E Marketer principal analyst Youori Wormser joining us to discuss the firm's new forecast for the use of generative AI guests who are the fastest adopters.
This is Broomberg tech. When it comes to using the latest.
Technology, it's no surprise that younger generations do tend to adopt it faster than older ones. That seems to be the case in generative AI too. The latest forecast on gen AI use from e Marketer, well, it shows that those from gen Z are swiftly becoming the heaviest users. You're as Prince Bill analystic eMarketer. It joins us now. But what's notable as millennials had have been the line's share of who had adopted it fast across work and play.
But gen Z are ramping up.
That's right.
I mean right now, as of the end of twenty twenty five one or twenty twenty five numbers are four. We're expecting about the same number of gen Z and millennials to be using generative AI tools. So a big ramp up from gen Z and in fact starting to be a ramp up from gen ALF two.
You can think about this in the context of the population, or you can think about it in the context of Internet users. I think that data set is particularly fascinating because on your forecast it becomes the large body of people that are online.
Yeah, I mean, that's true. So by the end of our forecast in twenty twenty nine, majority of people are going to be using generative AI tools. And when you specifically look at the younger generations, MILLENNIALSZ and gen AFA, gen Z's particularly will have over three quarters of that Internet population using generative AI tools, So just a huge ramp up to the point where three out of four younger users are going to be using these tools.
What I find also interesting about your research is how granular it is. And so the reality right now is you have some tools that dominate the market Chat GPT, Gemini, Copilot Claude. I don't see grocking here necessarily, but is this a case that chat GPT is kind of now the dominant force.
It is the dominant force. About three quarters of generative AI users right now use chat ChiPT, less than half used Gemini. What we're seeing right now, though, is that even as chat ChiPT increases its absolute number of users and to share of Internet users, a share of generative AI users is actually going down. And it's not as signed that it's losing its attraction to the general population.
It just shows that there's a lot more competition than has been the case, particularly coming from Gemini, Google's Gemini, and to a lesser extent, some of the work programs with Microsoft Copilot.
Yeah, you're go even more granular for us because many are using generative AI. Perhaps without asking to AI overviews has brought it into many people who would not deem themselves an early adopter's life, but they use Google and thus the four they're now using generative AI. How much is it just going to seep into our every day and you don't actually have to be setting out there downlading an individual app, whether that's the latest Meta AI or indeed whether it's chatchbt.
It's a great point because our numbers are just people who consciously use these generative AI tools. So if you're using Google Search as almost all of us are, and are getting an AII overview, which almost all of us are, we're not even counting those numbers. These are people who are actively seeking out chat, GPT or Gemini or working with these tools of work and Microsoft AI. But you're absolutely right, it's absolutely pervasive in the background in things
like shopping, chat, chatbots, AI overviews, customer service. So almost everyone at this point is touching generative AI at some point.
And then what is the use case that you see is just winning out no matter what is gen z coming to this because of the research, because of ultimately how they study and work, or is it more in their play? Are we using generative AI more because we want to learn things about our world and how we interact with it.
It's interesting because as a combination of all of those, the lead use cases search, which is around sixty four percent of our users, it's going to ramp up to about seventy five percent of generative AI users using search, which is almost lockstep in the number of users that are using it for work on things like coding or productivity tools, also going from sixty four to seventy three or seventy four percent. When you're looking at some more not even niche cases, but things like using it for
text generation and image generation. You're seeing twenty thirty forty percent of JGPT users using that, so significant portions using those those productivity tools as well. One more is personal recommendations, which we're seeing at around forty percent, so people that's more like shopping type of tools.
You're other desk lead for advertising, media and tech Emrketer. So I hope you're able to answer this. I've been thinking a lot about how with GROCK and with Meta AI, you have two generative AI technologies that are closely aligned to social media platforms. There's been reporting, of course that open AIS looked at the formul lation or acquisition of a social media platform. Do you have any sense of how important that is for fresh data, the user based
commonality and things like that. How analogous a generative AI tool with a social media platform is.
It's a fantastic question and it's a big advantage. So meta AI x X with Grog, they do have that that there's that conversational data that comes from people using the platform that's incredibly useful for now like training the models, uh, just in terms of language, but also training in terms of trends. Google has that to an extent as well
with a search tool. But that data that comes from social media is incredibly important and will give them that that material, that data that will take to really improve their services.
Uri Wems of Principle analysts that E Marketer just appreciate the answer to that final question and great conversation around. Thank you. Now, coming up, Apple's Hollywood breakthrough, how the tech giants lead at the box office with F one could be impacting its streaming strategy. This is Bloomberg Tech.
Rowing to the top of the box office charts was Apple's F one film, the movie about Formula one car racing starring Brad Pitt, brought fifty five point six million dollars into US and Canadian theaters and one hundred and forty four million dollars worldwide. The movie's scene as a test of Apple's strategy to release its pictures in theaters before putting them on its Apple TV Plus streaming service, Caroline.
Let's talk more Apple then, because it's smart watch and wearables business, there's lost a bit of steam. Bloembog's Mark German writes in his latest power on that Apple should seriously consider developing a smart ring to give its fitness tracking wearables push new momentum and widen its market.
Let's discuss how Mark joins us for more.
And it's kind of interesting Aura has stored in this march in terms of rings and wearables in that department. Why is Apple perhaps not got with that tactic thus far?
Well, they're all in on the Apple Watch. Don't forget the Apple Watch. You have that big color display, you have the full ecosystem of accessories, you have an Apple marketplace.
Right.
It's a revenue driver through and through for Apple, and it fits very nicely into the ecosystem. A ring would be a bit different. You're not gonna have a screen, You're not gonna have applications. You're likely not gonna have an accessories or app's ecosystem, right. It will be cheaper, probably lower margin. So there are some fears from that standpoint potentially for Apple, but I do think it would
freshen up the wearables market for them. I think it could make them even more competitive to help them grow market share. It would be a nice alternative to the Apple Watch for people who don't want something sort of bulky depending on the model you get on their wrists. It would be a big legged up for sleep tracking, something a bit more comfortable. You could wear it with any outfit, right the Apple Watch, Sometimes you don't want to wear it, maybe with a suit or a tuxedo.
So I think it would be a nice alternative for the wall, and it should be Apple selling it versus someone.
Else mark I'm an Apple Watch where other wearables are available. Obviously Away from the form factor though, like inside this thing, there is underlying technology that is analogous to a ring. What is Apple good at that they could transfer into that new form factor.
Well miniaturization in manufacturing. They should theoretically be able to get more health sensors in a ring than any other company. Or a smaller startup has been able to do it. Samsung, of course, it's a behemoth like Apple has been able to do it. There's no reason why Apple would technically not be able to release a ring. Imagine having your door keys built into the ring, your car key, having
your Apple pay in there, a microphone for Siri. There are all sorts of bells and whistles that Apple can put into a ring because of its ecosystem that the competition simply would be unable to. On top of that, the synchronization with the rest of the Apple universe, pairing fortional health metrics from your phone, from your watch, potentially your earbuds and glasses down the road. So I think it would be a good fit for the company, and I do expect them to get into the market at some point.
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