Roe v. Wade and Airbnb Earnings

global macro economic uncertainty, people are on the move. We will break down their report, plus the leak heard across the country, a draft opinion of the Supreme Court reveals plans to overturn row versus Weight, hitting the US like a bombshell. Some businesses are taking a stand, and how do you use deep tech to tackle society's biggest problem? Plus but can you solve climate change and still make a profit? More on that later this hour. All of that in a moment, But first we are watching Lift

and Airbnb and another volatile day for stocks. Investors waiting for more clues about just what will happen if the Fed raises rates later this week as expected. Are at Ludlow here to break it all down. And yeah, we swung between gains and losses on the NASDAC one hundred multiple times, very tech heavy index ultimately close up just a tenth of one percent. The other way looking at it, it was the first back to back or two day gains and then as that one since April nineteen, so

a couple of weeks. We're expecting a fifty basis point hight from the FED on Wednesday, and we care. Why are we talking about the FED and rate heights in a tech show Because tech stocks that are judged on their future growth future profits are more sensitive to hire interest rates because it discounts that rate of future profits. We're all eyes glued on the FED. It's been one of the main pieces of psychological driver for the market, at least around tech stocks. Also interesting see bitcoin drop

below thirty eight dollars per token on Tuesday. It's lowest level since February and kind of caught up in this kind of treading water moment we're in right now ahead of that key FED meeting, but we're in the depths of earning season. As you say, two key companies for a read on the economy. The first lift down how twenty as well a change quickly two in after hours. Frankly, the number of riders that they reported were lower than expected.

Even if First Corner revenue beat analyst projections, they have seventeen point eight million active riders in the quarter below what the street was looking for. Important to note that the CEO saying that they expect demand to pick up in the second half of the year. A different story

with Airbnb. Airbnb giving a revenue projection for the current quarter of two point zero three to two point one three billion dollars, well above street expectations, but there's fighting talk with the company saying that they're seeing substantial quote demand going into key summer months. And all right, blood Law, thank you. I want to stick with Airbnb and left now and bring in Brentville of Jeffreys. Brent, great to

have you back with us. Want to get your headline takeaway from Airbnb to start, I mean substantial drought travel demand that Airbnb is seeing despite the fact that we're in the middle of an ongoing war in Europe, for example, we're facing global macronomics at macroeconomic uncertainty and forty year inflation. What's your takeaway from that? Hey, Emily, We're tired of

being inside doing zooms. We all want to get out, and I think the travel pent up demand from what we can see at Jefferies is like no other, which is we're shifting from you know, outfitting our home to outfitting our outdoors in our life and the amount of travel cross border, the return to cities, the actual return

to European travel is all ramping significantly. And if you look at the number of trips that you know, we just survey, uh that that you know, consumers are willing or wanting to take the summer, obviously, it's it's incredible. And so I think the cross borders combined with return to cities is the biggest return and help for Airbnb.

And I think ultimately we've we've also shifted, you know, to to quote Brian Chesky, their CEO, I mean, I really do believe this, and we don't like like to pair it with CEO say, but ultimately the world has changed in the sense of how we work, where we work, and and how productive we can be. And I'm an affirm believer, uh that they're gonna participate uh in that. So yeah, the big concern is as inflation hits and we have less dollars in our pocket, is our mortgage

rates are highering our car payments are higher. You know, does this pinch travel? I don't think it will in the short term, because there's such pent up demand uh to go and be out, be out, and right now, no one wants to sit and have a summer like

we did last summer or the summer before. And you know, that's that's only going to help them, uh in the interim and and as business travel comes back to and in some sense, you know, that will help the return to cities and if you're going to uh, you know, going if I'm going to New York and I'm going to spend a week or two weeks with my team,

I don't want to stay in a hotel. So I think that that also is going to help with the return to to the office in some sense that it helps uh, the the enterprise business over time, which is obviously a smaller piece of the overall pie. I think it's interesting too that travelers are booking further and further out. They're not doing this last minute waiting to see what pandemic or COVID restrictions are. We're seeing the same thing

potentially with lift also beating estimates. You know, what do you think this says about the health of the consumer. And I guess I wonder, you know, is this a post pandemic pop and what happens later? Yeah, I mean everyone is in more uber and lifts. I've been in more uber and lifts in the last month than I was in the last two years combined. So just look at your own consumption personally and from a work perspective. I think the challenge with Lift is their EBIT guide

for the next quarter is way below the street. You know, the street was looking for eighty three million, the guy

to tend to twenty way below. So the stocks getting hammered on the increase in investments, and I think this is the challenge that we face in many of these reopening trades is how much money is are these companies willing to reinvest back in the business as they see demand come back, to get drivers, to get consumers back on the platform, to build the network out and and as they said during the pandemic, right they bought it, brought the cust structure to the studs. There was no

walls inside this house. It was studs. And they they had that quote back in the middle of the pandemic. And I think, you know, they've no right sized and now they're they're feeling dollars back. The big worry for investors on on Lift is just, you know, candace business sustainably make money. And in my opinion, there's way better opening trades than lift right Google. Uh sorry, yeah, Uber is a global platform with with multiple applications that they

can benefit. It's a platform, not a point solution. Lift is US only right share in the US only, and they're really limited to to the US market. So I think ultimately there's just better opening trades. So we at Jeffreys like booking Airbnb. Uh, and I think Googer is in a better position among some of the other tech stocks to cover lift. Shairs are way down after hours, Brent. Why do you think that is? Well, that's you know,

it goes back to the ebit dot guide. They just they're ramping up the expenses and and ultimately to your point on on inflation, look, we're all feeling it. It doesn't matter who you are. Uh, you're gonna feel the pinch of what's happening with the broader economy starting to slow. So as that slows, are we going to see the air brakes come on? You know? Consumer spend, and I

think there's a little bit of concern. I think the bearer concern really is around is lift the best way to play the opening trade air bbs uplift stocks down. You know, there's other stories that are better. And then you look at the BA dot guide it was it was obviously terrible relative to what the street wanted, and it fully they're just being conservative now obviously with the new c th place that left. Alright, Brentville of Jeffrey is always good to have your analysis here. Thank you

so much, Brett. This opinion is just off the wall, and I'm really shocked fill Leader would have written it, assuming you get this is not some fluke. This is the result of a decade long campaign by extremists, extremist Republicans to overturn rovers this way. I would be even more shocked if the other justices um in the majority will decide on to this. This is the issue that can can decide elections, at least far as women are concerned.

There are people on both sides of this issue, and you know, I think what we need to do, as being good participants in a democracy is to listen, listen to both sides. This will be a galvanizing issue in the upcoming elections. Reaction there after a leak of unprecedented proportions a draft opinion from the Supreme Court. That draft, written by conservative Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito and obtained by political showed the Justice overturning the nineteen seventy three

ruling of Row versus Wade. I'm joined now by our Washington correspondent Emory Horden for more on this extraordinary turn of events for reaction from the White House, So Emery, first of all, what do we know about this leak so far? So there's really two parts of story, Emily.

First is the fact that this is an unprecedented leak, and you actually have a lot of Republicans all day pointing to the fact that this was a leak, and this is going against really this institution that many believe should be guarded in terms of how they have their normal operating procedure. And then you have the Supreme Court come out and saying they're going to go after the

leaker for this egregious act. Then, of course you have the leak itself, the contents of that lead, and as you outlined there, what this leak does show is that the Supreme Court, as of February, this draft opinion would be overturning the ninety three Row v. Wade and basically saying that a woman's right to an abortion that constitutional right. They would be striking that down and then this would

be up to the states to decide. And as you can imagine, this has really set off fireworks in Washington, d C. Tell us more about what President Biden had to say in response to this today. President Biden has made a number of comments today, first a written statement and then he also brief reporters on his way to Alabama. So he's talking about the fact that this would go against basic fairness given the fact that this is about

a fifty year old law. Take a listen to a little bit more about what he had to say, calling it a rep it goes far beyond if it becomes a law and if what is written is what remains beyond the concern whether or not there is like to choose to as Biden also pointed to the fact that he did get a phone call saying that this draft document was authentic, and the Supreme Court also said that they said this draft document is real but does not

mean that that opinion will be upheld. So this is basically how we're going into Potentially we're going to get that opinion finalized and the unveiling of that in June. The President also, emiline is written statement clearly pointed to the fact that if this was to be overruled that now it is up to elected officials and also voters in America in November to go to the polls. So now this has become a hot button election issue. Hot

button indeed Bloomberg's Emory Harder and thank you. I want to continue this conversation and talk about how companies are reacting to this news. I'm joined now by Laura Speakerman. She is the co founder and chief revenue officer of Alloy, which has been rather proactive and offering reprojective benefits to employees. So, Laura, you made the decision back in January to cover legal fees up to five thousand dollars if an employee or a partner faces legal issues due to anti abortion laws.

You're also giving them a travel stipend medical cost stipend. Why did you decide to do this? Yeah, that's right, only, Uh, this was important to us for a lot of reasons, but I think the two that will highlight today is that Alloys Mission were a fintech company. Um, we we

really want to see equitable outcomes. Financial services industry plays a big role in that for people, particularly people of color, particularly women, and so this supporting this really aligned very well with our values as a company and our mission and vision as a company. The second reason, potentially more tangible,

is it supports our hiring and retention. We already have tons of policies and benefits in place, as do many companies that help us attract and retain the best talent possible, and so this was an easy way to sort of say, look, this just adds on to our medical benefits, are PTO policies, all sorts of stuff, and so it was it was to us a necessary thing we had to do to remain competitive. Now, you told Blueberg News that reimbursing workers for abortion related travel is the low bar of what

they can do. What more should companies be doing? Well, Look, I think this is one piece of of how to make life a little bit better for the poor, you know, the people who have to go through this in their lives. It's not something anyone wants to have to deal with.

It's just one piece of it. And so I think our policy will evolve as we decide how how other you know, other potential benefits we could offer, or sort of evolving um what reproductive rights means even for for our population at alloy and I hope other companies would

do the same. I think we're seeing that we it's a really competitive talent industry, this is probably a low ish bar, and that it's a relatively inexpensive set of benefits related to you know, if you looked at what we spent on healthcare, for example, all sorts of stuff incredibly expensive. And so I think there's a lot more there that we and other companies can do and probably have to do, to fill in the gaps that the

government has left us with. Cheryl Samberg of Meta posted today saying, this is a scary day for women across our country. Every woman, no matter where she lives, must be free to choose weather and when she becomes a mother. A few things are more important to women's health and equality. And I just want to underscore that this is a draft opinion. It doesn't necessarily signal where the Supreme court

stands at this very moment. But we're seeing, you know, a lot of criticism about how, you know, other companies are handling reproductive benefits. For example, Amazon came out um with their package earlier this week. There's some criticism there that it doesn't cover contract workers, who are kind of the lifeblood of keeping the trains running on time at Amazon. Do you think their policy is lacking. I haven't looked

at that policy in detail. I would assume if it does not cover contract workers, that does seem like a big gap, considering that's a big part of their workforce. UM. I think that's true of a lot of companies who are probably contemplating this. That being said, we haven't seen that many companies do this. I was really happy to see yelp Uh, City Bank, Amazon do this all in the last few days. Really, I think, um, I would

encourage Facebook Meta. If that's how they feel about women, they should probably put something in place off for really good benefits. We know they have a ton of money, uh, sitting around ton of cash. This is a pretty easy thing for them to implement. I would encourage any company that has the luxury of doing that to do it now. Alloy has a history of taking a public stance on

political issues. For example, Uh, you prohibit companies from using Alloys products if they would deny customers access based on their immigration or citizenship status. Have you found taking these public political stands has hurt business at all? No, we haven't. UM, I can't promise you it never will, and we'll have to cross that bridge when we get there. We haven't.

I think, Uh, the benefits of what it has given, sort of the the alignment between us, our values and our team again and kind of keeping folks engage, getting them on board, getting them excited about us in our mission, has outweighed any potential negative impacts we've seen so far. I don't think that there will be zero negative impacts. We work with a bunch of banks which are historically much more conservative, as you can imagine, so I would

anticipate some fallow at some point for us. There's been basically no negative impacts thus far, and the moral imperative as well as the business case I can make for this really outweigh to me the risk that we're or make the word risk very much worth it. I'm curious what the internal reaction has been. You know often companies don't want to take political stance because you know it,

you know it might impact their retention and recruiting efforts. Certainly, not necessarily everyone agrees with your policies, even people who work at your own company. What's been the reaction internally so far? Really positive? UM. Again, there may be people, I'm sure there are people who disagree with this who work at alloy UM, and we are open to the idea that you don't have to agree with every single thing we do or everything I agree with their my

cobounders agree with to be at alloy UM. However, the response I've seen has been unilaterally positive. I've gotten a ton of messages and d m s from people both when we announced the policy in January UM and today when we put out a statement given the leak that happened last night. UM. Just really positive feedback that this is something that aligns with their values and that they're

proud to work here. UM. I got a message today from someone in one of the states that I think is the you know, going to be the most impacted. UM who who just said, you know, they really appreciate it and it means a lot to them. So that was especially sort of haartning to hear all right, Laura Speakerman, co founder of Ali, thanks for joining us to thank you. Ammution coming up between supply constraints and COVID lockdowns, why Apple's third quarter forecast has analysts worry at is next?

This is Bloomberg. Apple investors and Wall Street analysts were initially excited when Apple reported its second quarter earnings. The company said it generated nine billion dollars in revenue, with fifty billion of that coming from the iPhone and another twenty billion coming from a very strong services quarter, but the jubilation was short lived. After announcing the results for Q two, Apple said that Q three would be a challenge.

Apple said it's expecting a four billion dollar to eight billion dollar negative hit to revenue due to COVID related lockdowns, the ongoing chip shortage, and global issues like the war in Ukraine. That means with Apple reports Q three results in ju Law, the overall remedy number will be up to eight billion dollars less than it could have been. This led to questions from analysts to CEO Tim Cook, such as should the Apple supply chain be shifted to

avoid these ongoing issues? In China and the chip problems. Cook of course defended his infrastructure, but said that Apple is always looking at making tweaks. Analysts are still pegging a year or a year revenue increase for the current quarter, a number around eighty four billion dollars that of course remains fluid. Several Apple suppliers and assembly partners were temporarily closed in April amid China's ongoing crackdown on COVID cases.

So far, that's led this some delays the high end versions of the Maple pro and supply problems for the iPad. Apple's intense warning, however, indicates that consumers may just have a hard time finding other Apple products in the coming weeks and months, including the iPhone and Apple Watch. I'm Mark Erman. This is power On. Don't forget. You can subscribe to marks weekly power On newsletter at Bloomberg dot

com and seeking with Apple. Bloomberg has learned the tech giant has hired someone who helped lead safety efforts and vehicle engineering at for This assigned that the iphonemaker is once again ramping up development of an electric car. Desi Wakashchevitch worked it forward since, most recently serving as its global director of Automotive Safety Engineering. A bipartisan group of US senators wants to loosen Google's grip on the digital

ad market. Bloomberg has learned they planned to introduce legislation that would force Google to sell off parts of its lucrative ad tech business. The measure could also have implications for Amazon and Facebook parent Meta and the SEC is

beefing up its crypto enforcement team. The Wall Street Regulator adding twenty staffers to its unit focused on policing crypto market abuses from new coin offerings and crypto exchanges to defy platforms and n f t s. The office has brought more than eight enforcement actions since launching in love. More on that in our crypto report later this hour. Welcome back to bloomber Technology. I'm emily checking San Francisco.

Let's get back to Elon Musk's evolving a vision for Twitter, taking the company private but not blocking out the possibility of becoming public again in the future. Are Ed Ludlow here to discuss. We're getting some new information in a

report from dal Jones. What now So? Dal Jones is reporting, according to their sources, that Elon Musk is telling potential co investors, because remember he's still trying to line up the equity portion of this deal that he could eventually take Twitter public again, and he could, according to dal Jones sources, do that within a three year time frame,

which is interesting because he's trying to take Twitter private. So, you know, talk to us more about what he has said, what clues we have about you know, his you know, how he plans to evolve Twitter and how it would then ultimately make four for stands for it to be

a public company again. Eventually. I mean, in the letter to Twitter's board when he first made the offer for the company, said these changes which I want to enact can only be done if Twitter is private, and those changes range from removing bots, open source and the algorithm having a time limited edit button. He's talked about, you know, he's talked in tweets, who was at the met gala last night, saying Twitter can be the most inclusive, best platform out there. It just needs to stick to the

principle of free speech. But he's also trying to line up co financing, right, and a big question for investors to get involved is how do we make money on this in the long run? What's the timeline for him to line up that final batch of equity. Well, so remember the deal hasn't actually closed. Soft twenty cents a share for each shareholder that has a share, and as many shares as they have by year end, and the expectation is that existing Twitter shore holders will vote for this,

They'll go for it, but who knows. Well, I'm sure there'll be more dribbles of news all the way to the bid. A bitter end, Ludlow, thank you. Meantime, the world of one click checkout startups has been a race to number one, but recently there have been a lot

of questions about viability. Most recently, Bolt Financial was sued by its most prominent customer, which includes the parent company of Forever twenty one, alleging that bull overstated his customers and failed to deliver on promise technology leaned to a one fifty million dollar loss in online sales. I want to talk about this all with Albert Saneger. He is the founder and CEO of Nate, a universal shopping app with a one click checkout function. Albert, thank you for

joining us. So first I want to clarify you are in the same sort of general business, but do something different to what Bolt promises to do. Can can you explain your one click checkout technology? Yes? Thank you, Emily, I'm excited to be here. UM. So yes, need is uh the world's first universal shopping up. You can downloading and or your shipping and payment information once, and you can skip the check out anywhere, pay now or pay later, and share shopping lists with your friends. So Nate is

a consumer business. We don't sell software to retailers. So what's your take on the controversy surrounding Bolt, which in turn has trying to spotlight on the space. I mean, there are some people who think that Bolt is hiding shoddy business fundamentals um, and that maybe is you know, grossly overvalued. Well look, UM, I can't speak about the specifics of of Bolt. I know that every company is different and every management team is different. UM I'll tell

you that. UM. Broadly speaking, when you're building a payments business, you have a choice to make, and the choice is who is your customer? Is your customer the retailer? Where is your customer the consumer? Much like in real estate? Right do you represent the seller or do you represent the buyer? And there are lots of really interesting software companies that are selling software to retailers, and sometimes they

sell them. They sell them solve for for conversion upside in the form of one click chuckot, or in the form of point of sale financing, or in the form of shipping in trance and those are great businesses, but that is not what made us made. That is a consumer business. I want to talk to you a little bit more about Ryan Breslow, the founder of Bolts specifically though, because he has been incredibly vocal and opinionated, for better or for worse. He it seems like he was ousted

from the CEO spot. He's he's staying on as chair. Do you think that the founders should be that outspoken? Uh? I know. I know how hard it is to build a business from scratch. I can tell you that firsthand. And you know, different founders have different approaches to product development, go to market, and team building. UM and I have the autmost respect for those who are, you know, more

or less vocal about how they're building those things. UM My style is more focused on um observing this new generation of shoppers and building four consumers and letting the rest of the other pieces fall into place. Then You have another company in this space called Fast, which recently shut its doors. So you know, there's this question about you know, is this kind of technology really possible? Is it overhyped? Um? I actually argue that one click check out is a is a great feature, but it is

a feature nonetheless. And the question is if your customers are retailers, then what are the other services that they need in order to sort of build a compelling product. In the case of our customers are consumers. And I can tell you for sure without a doubt that consumers want one click checkout, There's no doubt about that, UM. But they want a few more things than one click checkout.

They want aggregation, the sort of aggregation that happened in music with Spotify, it happened in food the door Dash, it happened in transportation with Uber, and it's happening now in e commerce with me. Consumers demand aggregation. Of these two million retailers in the non names on economy, you've got Bolt and Fast. Why is your company called Nate? Uh So, Nate is um in a way, and assistant that lives in the cloud, that does things on your behalf.

So we knew that we wanted to personify, and I also wanted to make sure that UM, we didn't use um a woman's name, because there are lots of assistance out there to have associations with the word woman and the warmth competence trap is real. So if we are going to objectify a machine that does the heaven lifting for us, might as well have a man's name. Although we use it pronounced uh, Nates has no gender UM and it was actually a play on the words native

commerce commerce that is naeded. All right, well, it sounds like a very interesting play. We will continue to follow. Albert Sandager, founder and CEO of Nate Thank You, Come Up Coin by c O'Brien Armstrong, spoke at the Milk and Global Conference about everything from crypto adoption to a decentralized Twitter. We'll talk about all this and more with the Web three company the graph up next to the schoolwork.

I think freedom in all forms is worth defending, and you know, crypto is a lot of it is about economic freedom, so freedom of speech is another version. I do think there's an opportunity for Twitter to essentially embrace UM using a decentralized protocol and UM just in the way that you've probably heard of DEFY, which is decentralized finance. There's another one UM called do so decentralized social media,

which is another emerging area coming up. If you look at how crypto has grown over the last year or two, it's growing faster than the Internet did in the early days. And there's now about two million people in the world who have crypto or have tried it, and so if you just plot that curve out, it means that in within this decade, we're going to have over a billion people in the world using crypto, and to me, that's

just incredibly exciting. Going by CEO Brian Armstrong there at the Milk and Global Conference, I want to dive into all of this and more in our Crypto Report with Ava Bylin, director of the Graph Foundation, which has a miss in to allow for full stack decentralized applications or depths with an indexing protocol for corying blockchains. Even thank you so much for joining us. So what do you think billion people using crypto in a decade will happen.

I think it will totally happen. And you know, really the question is where these individuals coming from and what are they going to do and I think we we often think about crypto in this speculative nature, you know, defies the center of attention. But really what crypto and Web three enables is access, access to banking, access to content. So you know, even echoing Brian Armstrong, things liked so

or decentralized Twitter are definitely in the works. Um. But you know, even at the graph, you like to think about this as the next step in iterating the gig economy. So you know, people like to stake their tokens um, you know, on Web three, and it's very similar to holding an asset and expecting it to be useful, um, you know in FIAT or Web two world. Um, but

here you actually get to work for a protocol. So we're really excited to see what this looks like where people actually start working for the technologies, putting the capital to work and actually getting to earn a portion of that revenue. Meantime, there's still a sort of wild West feel about the crypto landscape. Coin bases also now cracking down on the issue of people front running tokens based on whether coin base might be about to list them.

What's your take on that. I think just like in typical startup world, you're going to have nine out of ten startups that don't succeed. And similarly, in crypto, you know, the value of the token or the productivity of the token and a protocol um you know, or the success of a community is still going to be reflective of

its quality. So I think that we need to start focusing a little bit more on which tokens and which protocols are sustainable, which are going to actually provide real value in the next decade or you know, two decades, three decades, and which are the communities that are going to sustain themselves. You know, one major difference between Web three and Web two is the switching costs are much lower.

It's really really inexpensive for a user to start using a different DAP or different protocol, whether it's just transferring tokens to another wallet um or really just completely up and moving. And so I think these product teams, these communities have a lot more pressure to deliver high quality experiences. Meantime, the SEC is adding twenty more people to its team policing crypto markets. I'm curious does that signal more regulation,

more enforcement coming. You know, we've always been fairly open that regulation is welcome. You know, it's not that the crypto industry wants to be unregulated. We just want more clarity. So you know, in general, this bodes well for having more resources focused on our industry. And you know, our our goal really is to have more folks that are you know, applying the law and applying their policies in

a way that's conducive with innovation and not stifling growth. Um. You know, as as is possible in this new wild west of development. The industry is still scaling, still working on interoperability, and there's a lot of work to do. What's your role in that at the graph? Yeah, so we as the graph. As you mentioned, we're an indexing protocol, and really all that means is we're trying to make it easy to organize data, making it easier for developers

to access that data. Um. You know, people will often call us the Google of block chains, and so we're really here to unite all developers, full stack back end and make it easier for anyone to build across applications, across chains and acting as a uniting layer where you know, any a p I, any way that you can access data should be open source, and anyone should be able to do that and build on top of any protocol. So I'm curious about your thoughts on open source and

how far that goes. What do you think about open sourcing Twitter's algorithm. I think that's a great idea, you know, I'm all for the decentralized movement, especially with something as as useful as Twitter. My general stance with open source, you know, versus closed sources, I think there's a lot

of fund around open source ruining business models. You know, at the end of the day, sustainability is really what matters when it comes to a good business or a product, and if you can continue building, you know, to actually continue building on a protocol, whether it's open source or close source, is a chal lenge. And so the protocols and depths that are more likely to succeed are the ones that actually innovate on top of existing models rather

than just replicating and copying them and moving on. And how do you see the ethereum merge impacting the broader landscape? Just how sort of tectonic do you think that will be? I think there's a few narratives here, So, you know, on one hand, this is the first major blockchain that's moving to proof of stake. You know, I think there will be ripple effects and how does this impact other chains?

But more broadly, I think it's the first step for you know, non technical people, non developers, to see what it really means to have your assets put to work, to have a utility token like ethere um ether and being able to actually earn revenue and generate income as an individual from participating in that blockchain. It's a completely

novel concept. You know, even the gig economy is fairly new, but Web three enables this possibility that individuals can have full sovereignty over their assets and the way they contribute to technology. All right, dav Balan, director of the Graph, thanks for joining us to share your view of the crypto.

D five future time for this week's Teconomics segment, and we're speaking with Zach Vogue, co founder and managing partner of d c v C, which has a mission to back entrepreneurs solving trillion dollar problems to multiply the benefits of capitalism for everyone, but all the while reduce costs problems like climate change ZAC But what exactly does that mean? Tell me about your mission. Sure, So we you know, to pointed more concisely, we like to back entrepreneurs solving

trillion dollar problems computationally. These are hard problems in the climate, these are hard problems in life sciences, hard problems in transforming industry. Now, historically we've seen big venture capital fronts like Climber Perkins for example, you know, dive into clean tech investing and then pulled back because the returns just weren't there, at least not in a you know, reasonable time horizon. So why do you think you can make

it work? Now? Over the past handful of years, there's been massive advances in computational approaches AI, machine learning, machine vision that have massively, massively reduced the capital required to solve some of these problems. Not all. Some of these problems are still great for government. But there's companies like my company, Pivot Bio that is replacing synthetic fertilizer nine percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, replacing that with microbes.

So there's real, real possibility to make big changes in this sector. So let's talk about some of the contributions we've seen in this sector. We've seen alphabet just in the last month. Alphabet Elon Musk and many more commit more than two billions dollars to startups tackling climate change. Talked to us about where you see the capital flowing and what's most significant about it. So, yeah, those declarations are great and we need much more of those. Those

type of things. We see money flowing into. Areas like methane remediation, which is one of the lowest hanging fruit, UM, industrial transformation, electrifying the grid, electrifying everything. Uh, just you know, basic deep tech areas the lowest hanging fruit. Why do you think that is? So? Methane is a relatively ephemeral gas, and it's the largest source of greenhouse gas emissions for the planet, and it's only is short lived in the

in the atmosphere. And our company in Kiros Aerospace helps detect methane leaks and they've already had a bigger impact than Tesla. Many people are surprised to hear that. But Tesla, let's say that again. Which company has a bigger impact than Tesla, Cairos Aerospace. Uh Tesla impact report five million tons of CO two E prevented. UH Cairos was seven million. It's only increased there for for Cairos, how did they

do that. They have sensors and they do basin wide surveys of installed oil and gas infrastructure which is very leaky, leaks methane, and they help pinpoint the leaks and help the companies rapidly fix them. So the challenges ahead are of course tremendous, but there's also a lot of macroeconomic uncertainty, inflation, consumers under pressure, businesses under pressure. I mean, look what's

happening in the public markets. Does that concern you in terms of you know, some you know funds that have been pouring money into these spaces potentially pulling back. Absolutely, So the public markets are in a risk off scenario right now. We all know that. And obviously there's a lot of bad stuff going on out there. Things have slowed down. We've seen deals repricing for following deals of our existing deals. We've also seen a lot more structure

coming into deals. So this has affected the whole market and we're sort of taking a weight and see approach. We're still doing good deals. Good deals are still getting done, but I think everyone is taking a little bit of a breather, and the pace of capital employment is slowing down. Now you invest in deep tech, which takes time to scale and to deliver these computational approaches. As you're talking about, how do you ensure that companies hit their milestones and

still make a profit. Absolutely, these are problems that are capital intensive a bit more. We've just heard that the capital requirements are less if you can rely on computation. Obviously you need great execution from the team to hit their milestones. But they are solving trillion dollar problems. So once they do solve them, they create giant, durable, capitalist, successful companies that produce huge returns for investors. What kind of how big are the returns? Let's talk about that,

um what what? What's a huge return? In your view? Huge return is you know, creating the next trillion dollar company? Right? And these you know the types of companies that you can create with deep tech? Are you know fixing you know the fertilizer industry. We heard pivot bio. That's a two billion dollar industry acres of corn in the US that can be transformed to this much less polluting industry. Um. So, if you can solve that, you can create enormous durable businesses.

So are you saying the next let's say in a decade, could the trillion dollar companies in a decade be the next Apple and Google and Amazon and Facebook? Could they be companies focused on tackling climate change? They will be in Larry Fink of Black Rock obviously said that the next fifty trillion dollars of fifty unicorns will be will be these these companies. So, uh, what's gonna What's going to make our break? Whether or not that happens, obviously,

the problem is real. But investors want returns, and the question is will those returns happen fast enough. These companies are more capital intensive, but there's going to be insatiable demand for public, high quality public equities that are addressing the climate. So our pathways, we're going to back these companies at the early stages and ultimately get them public and there will be huge demand for these stocks. Not to mention, they will be profitable because they're solving these

trillion dollar problems. If the government giving these companies, this industry, these industries enough support, the government can always be doing a lot more. We don't back regulatory change or prospective regulatory change. That's great. I want to be regulatory change, but that's not something that we view as ventured backable. We need back companies that have a working business model with a real product that customers are willing to pay

money for. So this is very much a capitalistic endeavorent that we are not a double bottom line fund. What more could the government do? The government could put in a carbon tax, for instance, which has been very pernicious. They could also, um encourage uh, you know, more investment. Right Obviously, some of the best technological breakthroughs have underpinnings of government research. So those are two huge areas of

the government could have a big impact. Locally, the government in California could keep Diable Canyon, are last functioning nuclear power plant open, which would have a huge impact for the climate. Interesting. All right, well we'll be washing to see which is which is the first of those you know companies to become the next trillion dollar company. UM. Zack Bogue, co founder and managing partner of dc DC, thank you for joining us. Good to have you back

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