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Back together and coming up full earning coverage Ahead, we break down results from the social giant Meta and sit down with the chief financial officer, Susanly.
Plus we speak to the CEO of startup Plaid, which now valued the more than thirteen billion dollars, his outlook on the fintech space in the future of digital banking, and you may love.
Your tesla, but do you love the man who's building them. We'll break down the results from our Bloomberg Big Take that tackles just that, but first let's go to Meta. Let's stick with it at Deborah ajo Williamson Insider Intelligence, Principle analyst and anything left unsaid on that cool Deborah, anything that you really want to guide on with Meta because it looks as though well they're back back to growth as the economy comes back. In digital advertising too.
Yeah, it's been an incredible quarter. All the news that I heard was very positive, and it's pretty incredible considering that not too long ago, sometime in the middle of last year, I had very significant concerns about the company. We saw revenue challenges, we saw issues with the metaverse not taking off as fast as Mark Zuckerberg thought it was going to. That's still the case, by the way, but the company I think has become leaner and meaner and has been able to really focus on what it
needs to accomplish now to be relevant now. I think, for example, the launch of Threads a couple of weeks ago is a perfect example of the way that Meta has been able to just double down with a small team, smaller the team than it has it's had in the past, put out an app that got huge publicity, great attention for Meta. And we'll see what happens with Threads when it actually rolls out a little bit further.
But so far, the quarter.
Really looked good, and as you pointed out ed Q three, if they meet that guidance that twenty percent or above revenue growth would be an amazing accomplishment after the twenty twenty two that they had, which was not a good year.
Did we learn anything new about Threads? I mean, Mark Zuckerberg Susan Lee very restrained about making money through that platform.
Absolutely, So Threads launched after the quarter ended, so there was no impact to Q two for Threads. But they did say, and this is a pretty typical pattern that Meta follows with any new feature that they launch, voting stories back in the day in reels. More recently, they want to build an audience first before they start to monetize it. They did mention on the call that they think that there is room for a text based app
to reach a billion users. They did name check Twitter at one point, which is very rare for Meta executives to talk about other companies. On the call, they did mention Twitter, you know, I caught that and I thought, wow, that's pretty interesting. But they do think that there is room for a one billion user text based communication app, and so if Threads can get there, that will add to Instagram and Facebook and WhatsApp as the other three of one billion plus apps in their roster.
There are money making machine bought people now questioning whether people are remaining on the Threads app and is addicted can they really take on the competition taketok on the one front, when you look at X on the other, when you're seeing all of really a very competitive space who all want time and indeed advertises to have confidence.
Yeah, well, it is going to take time for Threads to find itself. One of the benefits of having the smaller, leaner team that I just talked about was that they were able to launch Threads very quickly and bring it online probably before it had some of the features that people were looking for. So the downside to that is didn't have the features that people were looking for, and so maybe some people decided, oh, this isn't.
For me right now.
So the challenge is going to be to get people to come back and to continue to use it. But I do think Threads needs to be more than just a Twitter killer or something like that. Threads needs to find itself as a place for creators and people to communicate in the way that they want to communicate On Threads. It's not going to be enough to just try to completely mimic or replace Twitter. So that's going to be the dividing line for me in terms of what makes a Threads an app to stand out.
But you mentioned TikTok.
The other factor here is that TikTok is Meta's number one competition.
It's not Twitter.
Twitter hasn't been metas competition for quite a long time. As much as as everybody likes to think about Twitter versus threads, right now, it's really Meta versus TikTok.
That is the battle.
So ten billion and you'll run rate for reels. I think you, guys, Adie mark to have the inside intelligence, sorry, have the math on this. TikTok did like nine billion last year worldwide, so did you hear it?
Very good?
Our forecast was for actually just under ten billion, so very okay close?
Yeah, So are they competitive?
Is reels a TikTok competitor in terms of its ability to not just get eyeballs but make a bit more money.
It's absolutely become a very strong competitor. We heard on the call yesterday the three quarters of out of ever tisers on Meta are using reels right now, or excuse me, three quarters of Instagram advertisers are using reels right now. And that just speaks to the ability of Meta to get advertisers who are already ingrained in its other properties to try something new.
So That's one thing that I noticed.
Another thing I think that is worth paying attention to is that more people are seeing reels. Meta is using its AI to show recommended content, and so people are seeing reels in their feeds that are very attuned to their interests, and so they're more likely to watch them.
It is still true that I.
Think some reels are maybe many reels are pulled from TikTok or very similar to TikTok, so it does have that as an issue, But overall, as a platform, I think reels is doing very very.
Well right now.
Debrajo Williamson insider intelligence. Always good to get that real time perspective on learning. Thank you so much for joining. We keep a conversation going coming up. We're joined by Zach pere claud c discuss fed now is causing a bit of a buzz in the fintech industry, so that's coming up next. This is Bloomberg technology.
While the consumer is strong clear from GDP today, let's talk about who you and I make payments at the moment, because the space is really changing. We all want instant gratification and said now is actually enabling more instant payments. Twenty four to seven thanks to the Federal Reserve. Now fintech company Plaid, financial services firm that really serves as the plumbing for more than what eight thousand that leads today's most popular financial apps, just announced integration with that
FED now where it's transfer service for more. Let's bring in Zach Parrey, Plaid CEO, who is here to talk about the whole ecosystem for us. Zach, how is FED now going to change the game? How is payments and you're placed within the payments ecosystem going to change?
Thank you so much for having me.
Services is changing very rapidly, and payment specifically is changing very rapidly right now. We're going from a payment system that was really oriented around cards for quite a long time, so now adding new payment trails into the system, and that hasn't happened since AH and cards really started to
scale back in the seventies and eighties. As we're starting to look at FED now, this is going to be a brand new payment rail coming in and we expect it to increase consumer choice, increase competition, increase optionality for people out there. So we're really excited for where the potential of it is. But it's very early. We've just launched that now with thirty five banks, and hopefully it goes from thirty five to many many more soon, but it's still in the early stages.
How much of a competitive threat is it to fintech in and of its self?
So I actually think that fed now is a large accelerant to fintech. So when you think about the way that you get paid, perhaps for payroll, when you think about the way that you send money to a friend, when you think about the way that you maybe transfer funds from your brokerage application back into your checking account today it oftentimes takes three days. You're using the legacy ACCH system, which is a wonderful system, has scaled incredibly far,
but it's slow. As you look at fed now, fed now is going to be an instant addition to that. So you could run, yes, a slow transaction on ach still for quite a long time, or you could use fed now to deposit those funds instantly or move them a lot faster than you would otherwise.
As Zach, good morning from San Francisco. Good afternoon to you in New York. There'll be viewers of bloom Bay Technology here in America that say the instant transfer of funds twenty four to seven, three hundred.
And sixty five days a year.
Yes, that's what I want, but it sounds like the reality of this kind of nationwide rollout is still a way away. When do you see it as sort of a commonplace standard for transactions in this nation.
That's a great question. Hopefully soon, but the reality is it will take years. It won't be an instant thing, and it's going to take us maybe two three four years, perhaps even a little bit longer than that, to get it to total mainstream. But what we are going to start to see is that certain use can are going to accelerate a lot faster. So, for example, if you think about payroll, getting payroll delivered more quickly is better for employers. They have less time with the funds floating
out there. It's better for employees and they're able to actually receive their funds faster. So I suspect that there are going to be certain sub segments of the industry that are really focused on making it go quickly. The big question in my mind is actually how fast banks are going to adopt it. So we've seen fed now launch with thirty five banks. It's a non trivial but still fairly straightforward amount of work that the bank has to do to implement fed now and get up and
running on the system. The big question in my mind is how fast are we going to go from thirty five to three hundred and fifty to thirty five hundred financial institutions they're using fed now and enabling all of those millions of consumers to actually use it on the back end.
You announced a deeper partnership with cross River this morning on real time payments, and one of the things that you highlighted was their proprietary technology, their own ability to do this. What is it that they have that other banks lack that you think need to be more common in place to make this a reality.
So we very much appreciate the partnership with cross River, and they're very much leaning into these newer real time payment rails, which is great. And we have fed now, which we're very excited and obviously as lun As recently we are continuing to lead into. And we also have RTP, which is a protocol that's built by many of the large banks. So I think with a combination of these two we're going to be able to get to a
lot more consumers a lot more quickly. And of course we work at a number of banking partners, but cross rivers leaning in to help us get these products to the market as quickly as we can.
What's funny is when ed started to describe what's coming via fed now, I thought of crypto three hunt and sixty five days all time, twenty four to seven. Ability to get access to money directly. Is that a competitive force? Do you see crypto still evolving in the same way if we suddenly do have more and quick access to our money.
You know, it's an interesting point that you bring up, because when we heard the promise of crypto, or the promise of DeFi, or many of these new protocols or tools, a lot of it was centered around this concept of enabled consumers to have that to their money at all times. As you say, in some sense, fed now is completing that journey.
You know, if this and when.
This gets to scale, it will allow consumers to yes, move money in the time that they want to, in the instant that they want to. That's not to say though, that crypto is dead in any sense. In fact, many cryptocurrency companies are likely to use fed now as a funding mechanism or a funding rail to move money into, for example, a cryptocurrency exchange, So you still have to fund that account. So the reality is, I expect these two to interplay well. I expect these two to end
up living harmoniously together. However, it is it is funny to hear that message of twenty four seven three sixty five coming from the Federal Reserve, which historically when you know a five day a week, you know, nine to five type of system.
Talking about living harmoniously. You've been trying to live more harmoniously with banks, but it was what year or so ago that Visa was trying to buy you. And now basically you're becoming more and more of a competitive threat. When can you use erp Visa? When do you think you will be a dominant force within payments?
You know, broadly, we think about Visa as a very interesting corollary, a partner, and we know many people there personally, so I think of them as friends. The way that we think about our business is slightly different. It's a different vector than Visa itself. We focus on enabling a consumer to connect their financial account to an application that they want to use to get real time value from
their data, and yes, to enable bankings payments. That's not to say though, that debit cards or credit cards or any of the existing payment rails are going to go away. We think about adding another option coming through FED now as another choice for a consumer. It's another choice for a merchant, it's another choice for an application that might
need to execute a funds transfer. And as we enter this new world of increasing competition, increasing choice, increasing optionality for consumer, we actually see the two living alongside each other for quite a long time.
Zich. You mentioned competition.
One domain where this is really playing out is in artificial intelligence, right, taking a large language model, use the underlying technology to improve your service. Can you just talk a little bit of how you're investing in that space, what types of engineers you're onboarding to help you be competitive.
That's a great question and an area that we think quite a lot about. The reality is AI has two major ways that we'll probably see it play out in financial services. The first is very simple and straightforward, So it's helping all businesses be more efficient. So that's making our support team more efficient, that's making the way that we write code more efficient. That's generally implementing AI tools to improve employee efficiency, and it's no different in financial
services versus any other tech enabled industry. The second is thinking about fundamentally new products that can only exist with the help of AI. So one of the areas that at Plaid we've been investing a lot in is building better tools for credit analytics and credit scoring. If you think back to the way that credit is scored today, or even the way that it was scored ten years ago, those two aren't all that different. We have a FICO score, there's perhaps a bit more data that's being added in.
At Plaid, we focus on building tooling to enable better data go into your loan package. So if you're applying for a loan, you're perhaps someone that lived internationally is just moving back to the US. You don't have a lot of employment history in the US, but you do have fairly good income and fairly good assets. How can you get all that data into your loan package. Well,
PLoud builds a lot of that. The next phase that I'm eager to dive into is thinking about how can AI help inform those models make better predictions about what a consumer is likely to be able to borrow, what they're likely going to be able to pay back, and how that's going to work. Now, we have a long way to go in terms of working with the regulators to figure out how exactly we can and when we
should implement AI models for lending import lending decisions. But I'm excited to go on that journey and I think that there's a very big opportunity for us all ahead.
Zach Ai and the context of lending is a conversation we're keen to dive into as well.
We're just out of time for today.
Thanks to Zach Perry, the Plaid CEO out there in New York.
Time for talking tech.
First up, China vuying to boost investments in its technology sector. Central Bank officials are asking lenders to help fund research and tech related acquisitions in order to revive a private sector that's frankly been hit with regulatory curbs. Also, Commerce Secretary Gina Romondo says that actions needed from the US and its allies in order to fight a surplus in semiconductors.
Raimondo pointed the finger.
At China's aggressive subsidies and called for more export controls and domestic incentives in order to alleviate the glup plus the Pentagon planning to issue a first time contract to US or Canadian companies for gallium. This comes after China curbed exports on gallium and germanium minerals, which are crucial to semiconductors and military radar systems.
Caroline.
Meanwhile, let's just talk Tesla from an end because five years it is now since Tesla's Model three electric car actually hit the market, and in an effort to kind of assess the mood of consumers, Bluemeg's serving more than seven thousand me fined owners about their experience five years on. Look, we're doing it again. We're following up with those thousands of original responders. And there's one key theme that starting out owners may love their cars, but they've soured on
the big boss behind Tesla. Of course, that's seen a musk. Today's big take showing us now for more is Bloomberg's Tom at Randall and Tom, I mean, perhaps we're not surprised, but isn't in any way starting to put off people buying another car or investing further in the Tesla ecosystem.
Well, that was definitely one of the questions that we wanted to kind of get at through the survey, and we are actually seeing some of that. You know, my initial theory was that it wasn't flowing through because you see, you know, Tesla is still experiencing huge sales of all of its cars, tons of demand, but we really do see it was a very strong reaction that we received and you can you can feel it in the comments. People feel kind of betrayed in a way, and we
did start to tie it to their buying behavior. So people who are looking at a future vehicle right now and then for in the next two years, we asked them what kind of cars that they were looking for, and the demand for Tesla is still incredibly strong from those people. It's eighty seven percent of the people were looking at a Tesla, so that seems really high.
But if you look at the people.
Who are not looking at a Tesla, it's all because of Elan. He was the number one reason for them not looking at another Tesla. And you never see that kind of correlation between a CEO and the products in the product making decisions. And so what we saw was even among these people who were turning away like they still love their cars, and a lot of their comments voiced that.
It was tad the questions, The questions were the beatum the same post this year is when you first started. How else have the responses shifted very quickly?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry I missed the first part of your question. But the shifting responses since twenty nineteen, the number one question, the number one shift was in Elon's sentiment. There was nothing even kind of close to it. And in fact, out of one hundred and fifty questions that we asked, the questions about Twitter and Elon's tweets kind of after the acquisition were the worst scoring among all of them.
All Right, Bloomberg's Tom Randa with the big take on Tesla. Check it out on Bloomberg dot com.
Welcome back to Bluemok Technology. I'm Caroen hide in.
New York and ed lolow out here in San Francisco.
We now want to welcome on Bloomberg radio and TV audiences worldwide. We want to deep even deeper into Meta's earnings reports, CEO Mark Zuckerberg saying, look quote, we continue to see strong engagement across our apps, with the most exciting roadmap I've seen in a while. Our investments in AI will continue. We remain fully committed to the metaverse vision as well. Let's again further with Meta chief financial
offer Susan Lee joining us. And it's not just Mark finding things, exciting investors, analysts, upgrading exciting economy for the world at large. Today it feels here in the United States. How excited, Susan, are your clients right now? How resilient is this digital ad spending well?
First of all, thank you Ed and Caroline for having me. It's a pleasure to be with you guys and with your viewers this morning. You know you noted that we reported really strong Q two results. We're really happy with all of our execution efforts across our core user and
engagement metrics. Obviously, the reacceleration in our AD revenue, which we've been talking about and you know which we think is the is the reflection both of an improvement in the macroeconomic landscape which the digital ads market is so closely tied to, along with our own efforts continuing to invest in and execute on quarters and years of work in making sure that our AD systems are performing well, that we're delivering measurable results for our advertisers and we
really have seen those results bear fruit, so that's something we're really excited about. In Q two, we also talked about how our year of efficiency work is really setting us up for success going forward. I think it's put us into a place where we have a leaner cost structure, which will serve us well as we plan for the future. And it's also enabling us to move faster, to build more and ship more quickly new products and experiences in service of what of our customers. And so Mark talked
about this yesterday on the call. Threads is a really good example of that. It's something that we built with a relatively smaller team on a tighter timeline, and I think is a good reflection of the year of efficiency paying off for us. Finally, the last theme I'd highlight from our earnings call is around twenty twenty four, we have I think a lot of compelling opportunities to invest in. We talked about our AI investments and how that will
flow through and to infrastructure costs. We talked about hiring top tier technical talent as we evolve our workforce towards a more technical mix, and then of course our longer term ambitions and vision for reality labs and for the metaverse.
You know, AI also seen Susan two AI recommendations on the timeline to have a real impact on engagement, particularly on the core Facebook platform.
How much is that a.
Driver behind the forecast for the current period of thirty four point five billion dollars in sales.
It's a great question. First, I want to say we have been investing in AI for a really long time. We often use the phrase core AI to talk about the work that's been powering our ranking and recommendations engines, which are really the foundation of both our organic recommendations for the content that you see along with the ADS work.
And in particular, one of the big drivers of growth that's been both strong on our platforms and increasingly incremental is around recommending content from it accounts that you don't already follow. We often call this unconnected content, and that's been really good for core engagement trends. And then of course the AI investments, as we've put GPU capacity towards our ADS, ranking and recommendation systems have really paid off. So I think that's really translating both into the results
that you've seen. It's part of what factors into our guidance, along with of course a big range of possible macroeconomic outcomes. At the same time, we're really excited about a newer opportunity ahead of us in the gen AI space, and
that's really around building compelling new consumer experiences. Mark talked about some of the things we're working on on the call yesterday, making it easier for people to create better, more individualized content, and then of course also making it easier for businesses to communicate with the consumers that they want to reach.
That is newer for us.
That's not factored into our revenue guidance or our revenue outlook in any meaningful way, but it's something that we're really excited about the opportunity to build new and compelling experiences, and we think it'll be an important part of our future.
Susan, why did Meta change its mind about charging cloud providers for access to Lama too.
I'm not sure what you mean by change.
By changing our mind, we've made Lama to free and widely accessible. They're a small handful of really large cloud providers that we're working on specific arrangements with, but broadly speaking, we expect this to be free and we want it to be accessible to a really to a really wide range of possible use cases.
Cloud providers, will they be charged anything.
Yeah, this is a place where again with very specific cloud providers who have very large user bases. Again we're working on specific arrangements with them, but it's not something that we broadly anticipate charging for.
And of course we're all ways to see when you turn on the money funnel from Threads, I'm interested as to how much inbound you're getting from clients, how many the capacity to start advertising alongside Threads.
At the moment, you know, we're really very pleased with Threads. It's a new standalone app that we released earlier this month, and we're where it is in both user growth terms as well as engagement and retention trends. Is certainly ahead of where we would have expected for a brand new standalone app, but it's incredibly early in its life cycle. This is not something that we expect that we're going
to monetize in the near term. We know when we launch new consumer experiences that there is a playbook around all of the product foundation work that needs to be done around core features that users will ask for, being responsive to things that futures users are looking for in the product, scaling it over time to a much larger user base, focusing on driving increased engagement and retention. Those are all things that we're going to need to do,
you know, in advance of thinking about monetization. But it's a playbook that we've executed multiple times and we're excited for the opportunity to do that again.
Here, Susan, I think I'm right in saying you a Facebook employee number four hundred and something, four hundred and eight, how has the launch of Threads compared internally to bringing in Instagram, WhatsApp, the launch of the hardware business and quest.
Yeah.
So I joined then Facebook back in two thousand and eight when they're around four hundred people here, and so I've seen us launch a lot of things over the course of that period. Now, some of those examples that you mentioned, like Instagram obviously were already popular apps when we acquired them. But I think that over the course of that time, we've learned a lot of things about how to bring products to market, thinking about the trade
offs between standalone apps or features within existing apps. We've learned a lot in our growth playbook and how to drive engagement and retention, and I think we're going to bring a lot of those lessons to the way that we execute against our vision for Threads.
Caroline asked you about the inbound interest your existing advertisers, saying, Hey, Susan, when can I put something on the Threads platform. I know you're being conservative and careful about the development and that Mark emphasize a lot of product work needs to be done as well, but how do you see the roadmaps for Threads going? You know, how do you change the product so it is monetizable.
Well, we're excited obviously that there is interest both in Threads, the consumer product and of course the eventual prospect of advertising on it. But it's really just too early, I think, to be very specific about what the ads business on
thread will look like in detail. We're really focused on executing on the consumer experience first, making it a great and productive and friendly place for people to have public conversations, growing it to scale, investing in the features that people want, and we'll get to monetization at the right time.
Of course, us in the media had a field day thinking about the competitive force that Threads is Visa VX and then we think about the competition more broadly, you versus TikTok. When I'm thinking of the success of Reels of late, when we're actually more broadly thinking about how Meta makes it self not just the money spinner, but a culture spinner here where people start trends, not just perhaps copy them from TikTok and bring them on to reels. Do you feel you've got that now at Meta?
I think that we've been, over the course of the time that I've been here, you know, constantly focused on innovation, and I think that we've brought that to bear with a lot of the experiences in our family of apps. And at the same time, when there are clear secular trends in the industry in terms of formats or experiences that consumers are looking for, we look to integrate those two and I think we've done a really good job
at executing on both of those fronts. And then of course, looking forward, I think we're really excited about the innovation opportunities ahead of us with Genai. We think we're industry leading here. And then of course over the very long term with our vision for reality labs and the metaverse.
We are of course with the Meta Chief financial Officer Susan Lee. We're welcome across TV and radio with our audiences and Susan, I've all started talking about everything apps now. I know you're about the money, not always developing the product, but you think about everything app as meta as there are race on to ensure that we can build that here in the US, and you'll be part of it.
It's a great question. I know that there are other regions around the world, in particular Asia, where there are apps that have gone down this model. That's not a model that we have right now. We haven't seen that use case to the same extent in North America. But you know, I would say that we're really invested in the opportunities that we have ahead of us across our family of apps right now, including Threads, which is the
newest standalone app in our portfolio. And then there's just a lot that we can do to make the experiences across our family of apps richer and more engaging with the investments that we've made already in AI and especially recommending content that you don't already follow, and we know that that's brought richer content experiences to people, is growing engagement across the apps, and we'll release you know, we'll be releasing features over the course of the next years.
But we're really excited about what we think that this is going to bring to bear for the consumer experience and of course also eventually for businesses to connect with consumers across the family of apps too.
Susan investors were sanguine about the idea that expenses could creep up. I want if you just tell us what your priorities are, where you'll invest in talent in the metaverse, whether your investments will be on the content side or the hardware side.
Great question. We talked about this a little bit on the call yesterday when we gave some coller into the twenty twenty four out look. The three themes that I really want to talk about there are. First, we expect that our infrastructure costs are going to grow because of the investments we've made in AI building GPU capacity. You know, that will go towards both the core AI work and the ranking and recommendation engines that I talked about, along
with the new GENAI investments. So that's a place where we're investing, certainly in a lot of hardware along with the infrastructure such as data centers and network equipment that you need to support that. The second area that we talked about is we are evolving our workforce toward a more technical mix, you know, and we want to hire top tier technical talent where we can towards some of our most compelling opportunities, including AI and machine learning engineers
to work on the AI efforts we talked about. And so that's a place where we are going to be investing, but we're going to be doing it in a very thoughtful way, making sure that we're really focusing on the core priorities and making trade offs where appropriate. The third thing that we talked about is on the reality lab side. That's certainly a very long time horizon and ambitious vision, and we're going to be investing in deploying capital toward it.
The capital coming from that you already have. Are you looking at the bond market, are you looking at raising more funds?
You know, we certainly generate enough enough free cash flow right now for us to invest across the organic opportunities ahead of us that we see that are compelling. We have been raising debt, we did earlier this year, just as we're evolving our capital structure going forward, and that's something that we'll continue to look at and I think
do on a measured pace going forward. But in terms of thinking about the capital available to us now, you know, we generate a lot of capital that we're always looking to allocate across the organic opportunities that we have, and we've talked about some of those, and then of course shareholder returns.
Susan really quickly before we lose you. How do you and Mark split up responsibilities at the company.
What's it like working with Monk?
You know, I've had the privilege of working with and learning from Mark for fifteen years here, obviously as CEO,
you know, and as a product visionary. He really shepherds the product roadmap and has defined the long term vision for a lot of the things that we're investing in with incredibly ambitious goals, and I think that's a tremendous and powerful motivator for us, and I try to make sure that we have the financial frameworks and targets that are going to enable us to invest against those things.
Innovation isn't free, and that's something that we're very mindful of and we recognize that, especially against some of our longest time horizon ambitions. We have to earn the right to put capital towards those things in the way that we do. What I will say, having worked with Mark for such a long time is he's tremendous at adapting
to the time that we're in. And so whether that was leading a four hundred person startup when I joined, whether that was overseeing our transition to the public markets during the shift to mobile, or whether that was this past year helping us really retool our cost structure and the way we operate and leading on the year of Efficiency. I think Mark is tremendously good at making hard decisions, at acting on them with conviction and looking forward.
META Chief financial Officer Susan Lee, thank you so much for your time.
This is Bloombot technology all right. Time for VC Spotlight.
Energized Capital formally Energized Ventures raised three hundred million dollars for a new growth equity fund, bringing its total assets under management to one point two billion. Comes at a time when the startup industry's reeling venture capital funding for climate tech has dipped. Energized Capital managing partner John Touff joins us.
Now.
John, we always ask this How quickly did you raise that three hundred million?
Personally?
Thanks for having me you guys really excited to be on here today. I would say that the funding environment in the last twelve months has been different than the previous cycle. Fortunately, the limited partner interests in climate and sustainability has sustained. I would say it's been both domestic but also international. Limited partners have really booed the capital base, so it took just about as long as we expected.
Interesting you say international. Many feel that perhaps well, climate focus has got a little bit too politicized here in the US, but over in Europe we're still very focused. Is that where you're seeing Indeed, some of the startups you want to be looking to put money to work in being born as well.
Yeah, you know, the climate opportunity is global, which is really exciting for US energize capital. We invest at the intersection of software and climate.
Both of those are international mega.
Trends, and as we see it, certain countries, certain regions are ahead of others. Europe, for example, as we think about it, is a few years ahead of the US in many of the sustainable trends, and that has resulted in about a third of our portfolio coming from Europe as opposed to North America.
Is there anything you're seeing specifically in climate related software about valuations.
Have they come down or gone up?
Yeah?
Yeah, So I say the climate theme overall has remained elevated, and we're seeing a number of new capital partners attempt to enter the.
Space climate software.
We've seen some new entrants, but it's primarily from the fringe of the generalists and energize.
We believe that this is a theme.
You have to have domain expertise within a lot of our team, our people who come from a solar wind battery landscape, and so as we've thought about valuations, we know the industries, we know the potential, so we're investing for that great return. And while some firms have come in with extremely lofty valuations, those that have been around a cycle or two, like us, we've maintained a steadi cadence.
You know, Caroline, John comes on the show. He's raised three hundred million for a new fund. He wants to talk about climate software, but really there's one thematic space we want to ask him about. It is and we.
Keep on talking about it.
John, artificial intelligence. How much is that driving the companies that are already in your portfolio, or driving the companies you want to invest in, or becoming a real key theme of what you have to be inside at the moment.
You know, you guys, it is the topic of the year.
Every company in our portfolio, we are asking them how they're adopting these tools to make those solutions better. What's probably exciting to most is that about half of our portfolio was already using artificial intelligence tools prior to this year. They were using them, and the funny part is the customer didn't even know. When you're selling to industrial operations, agriculture, energy transition.
They just want the product to work, and.
So did they care that a solar software tool, a drone automation tool was using AI.
Probably not, but they wanted it to work.
Luckily, for us, a lot of our talent comes from incredible institutions. Are that we're teaching this years ago and so it is here today. It is in far more hands than most expect, and it is creating tremendous value, and we're excited to fund companies both domestically and internationally that use those tools to drive the climate innovation theme.
Yeah, just dwell on a moment the startup scene right now, because the menu scene has been under stressed.
We know that.
And interestingly that you're raising this fund right now. What about the amount of companies being born? There was this talk that you know, talent getting let go, they're going to be out there building businesses. Is that happening?
There is a generation of new employees who want to work on something that matters. And when you're waking up in the temperatures twenty degrees above normal like it is today across America, it's right in your face. And so the climate opportunity is attracting talent in our portfolio while there's layoffs happening across tech. We have hundreds of roles open in our portfolio and I expect that only to grow.
John a lot of climate tech investors. I speak to assess a potential portfolio company by its ability to tap into public sector funds.
Is that a criteria for you?
The IRA, specifically here in the US and the Europe has their alternative Listen. We love it, we love that it's here, but our investment criterion does not rely on that capital to make a successful business. I energize we believe that a lot of the tools that we need to fight the climate crisis are here today. You know, the cost of wind, of solar, of batteries, the deployment of EV charging. It's at scales that even five years ago people couldn't imagine, and so we look at software
companies that can help those scales. Those companies scale at price points that are already effective.
It's nice to have for.
Some of the new emerging technologies like nuclear and hydrogen, but we really focus on software that can help drive impact and returns today.
Really quick, John, why the rename changing a single word in the name?
Yeah, it's it's a small change, but it's got a big impact for us. We really felt I've been in a cycle in this industry for fifteen years. The last time there was a dip in funding, the whole market left. We wanted to send a signal to our key stakeholds. Stakeholders which are our limited partners, are entrepreneurs.
And our team we're going to be here.
We're going to be here from venture to growth and beyond, and we think the space is big enough to support you know, tens to hundreds of billion dollar.
Companies energize Capital managing part and the John Tough.
Thank you so much for your.
Time, Thanks for having me.
Wow, that does it.
From what was a reunited team on Bloomberg Technology.
A bit too short, just too short. It's been a fantastic time with b Tech.
Cara.
We will be back together in the coming weeks. Fear not, but don't forget. You can recap everything from today's show on the podcast wherever you get your podcasts on the Bloomberg platforms but also Apple, Spotify and iHeart. Really just insightful conversation with the METACFO Susan Lee, the CFO kind of sometimes the unsung hero, more involved in the strategy than you realize. So please go and check out that
interview in the podcast. From here in San Francisco and out in New York with Caroline High, This is Bloomberg Technology.