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SEC Commissioner Mark Yuada. We welcome you to radio and TV. And just recently Project Crypto was launched, and this really sort of endorses the initiative to modernize regulation to make it fit for purpose for current innovations within decentralized finance. Are we getting enough clarity? How quickly might we know what tokens of securities? For example?
We have a lot of ground to catch up.
The last four years in the Biden administration, we saw a lot of efforts to suppress crypto, at.
Least in the United States.
That was one of the things that President did, I think was the third David As administration Chaerman twenty third win. He issued that executive order with a clear goal. We need to make the United States one of the global leaders in innovation in crypto and digital assets. That was why, you know, one of the things I did immediately upon becoming the acting chairman was to name one of my fellow commissioners, Hester Perce, who spent an awful lot of time.
Talking to the crypto community.
You're going to be in charge of our efforts, leader of our Crypto Task Force, and that now under our new chairman Paul Atkins, has now pivoted into what we call Project Crypto. We are working side by side with our colleagues at the CFTC. They announced what they call Cryptosprint, So we're really anxious to get some things done.
In terms of getting things done, there is a sort of favorite pitch of innovation going on, and a lot of that is to do with perhaps adoption of new ETFs around things I'm interested in for companies tricycle, treasury companies, companies that are building up crypto their assets, or indeed new etf springing up. Are you comfortable with the pace of innovation as it is? Are we going far as fast or too fast from your perspective, Well, they.
Are part of the innovation equation, so to speak. But they're just only a part of it. We've got a lot more to do, you know, with these companies. The SEC and it's ninety years of existence, has always been a disclosure oriented regulator. That means we don't we're not supposed to put our thumb on the scale of whether an investment is good or bad. What our concern is is whether or not you're telling the truth when you market and provide the disclosures with respect to these products.
So they can put crypto in their treasury. They need to disclose that, they need disclose the risks about that, they need disclose what their intense intentions are is in accordance with our rules and regulations.
But there's so much more that we need to do. Well.
Important for those companies that are looking to be treasury companies, or those that want to put Salant for example, or XRP or even dogecoin in an ETF, how soon will they know whether those tokens are indeed deemed securities or not.
Well, we've already put out eight number of statements from our staff in the Division Corporation Finance which says some things are not securities. Now we are working on as chairman, Akins said as part of his project Crypto Kickoff to provide some commission level guidance. What is and is not a security when it comes to crypto. It is tied up in a decade's old Supreme Court decision called Howie sec versus Howie as So whether or not it's us an investment contract, the good news is that it is.
What I do as a principles based test.
Is it an investment of money in a common enterprise with the expectation of profits from the efforts of others. How do you apply that in the crypto space. That's what we're looking to do in the next month. Can't talk about timing, but what I can say is this has been part of the Crypto Asks Forces efforts from day one this year. Is you know, we took a
position which I objected to. I put out many descents objecting to it, with this idea that every crypto with exception of Bitcoin, which is what our former chairman Gary Gensler testified before Congress, was a security. No, we have this whole framework, we weren't applying it properly. We said we're going to do this. That was what the crypto tasks we started doing. That's why they held this series
of roundtables. In fact, that was the very first roundtable was talking about what ought to be in and outside the.
Scope of this.
We're speaking of Marcubator, Commissioner for the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. I'm interested. Previously it was sort of regulation by enforcement, and you said you don't want to put your funb on the scale in this way. But how many crypto enforcements are ongoing at the moment? Can you tell us in terms of the amount of investigation still going. I know that for example, you unicoin is being sued for example, and that happened in May.
We have a number of ongoing investigations and actions related that would say our cryptoc crypto related.
We have an awful lot of what one.
Might call fake crypto, which is somebody who purports to be involved in crypto, but it is nothing more than the types of Ponzi schemes and other scams that we have seen since probably the creation of currency.
How many staffers are looking at forcement now compared to the prior four years.
Well, what we've done is we still have a unit, although we've changed it from the cyber in Crypto unit to be more broadly focused on technology.
We have an enormous number of tips.
Complaints, and referrals that come into the agency every year. In fact, I think we're on track from nearly forty five thousand. A number of them relate to crypto. So we deploy it staff appropriately.
And you said you're working in lockstep almost with the CFTC. How is that relationship going at the moment.
We've got a great relationship and it's one of the things that was very important on the financial regulatory front, not only between US and the CFTC, but US with Treasury and the banking regulators about how to address crypto. You saw this with the President's Working Group on Digital Assets.
They issue the report last month. This has been something that has been I think really all of the relevant regulators in the executive brand char all communicating with each other and all coordinating with each other to make sure that we can make this effort successful.
Now the SEC does more than just look at crypto, and I'm interested in At the moment, you're currently suing En on Musk and that's to do with alleged violation of securities law. About when he was taking a significant chunk in Twitter, he had owned about five percent in excess of and he was meant to make that declaration. Many would say he didn't do it quickly enough. He wants that suit dropped. Should it be dropped?
Well, I'm not going to comment on a particular investigation or enforcement action that we currently have, but what I will say is, you know we have these scheduled thirteen D and thirteen G requirements out there. One of the key parts about whether or not you can file on a thirteen G is whether or not you are a passive investor. And one of the things that we did take action is and there are a large number of very influential asset managers that hold significant chunks well above
five percent of a company stock. Question is what sort of relationship should they be having that requires additional disclosure if they're asking or directing the company and says you need to do the following things. For instance, on climate change, you need to hit net zero goals. You need to have a plan of how you get to net zero.
You're no longer a passive investor that requires additional disclosures of some form because we have concerns whenever they're or at least just say, Congress pass laws telling that we have really large shareholders more than five percent, which perhaps doesn't sound a lot, but in the real world that is quite a bit for a company that they need to provide the appropriate levels of transparencies of their discussions with company.
We'll plenty more on your agenda other than just the long case and indeed just crypto. It's been wonderful having some time with you. Let you get back to the day job. Mark Vada, of course, Commissioner for the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. The SEC