Welcome to the Bloomberg Law Podcast. I'm June Grosso. Every day we bring you insight and analysis into the most important legal news of the day. You can find more episodes of the Bloomberg Law Podcast on Apple Podcasts, SoundCloud, and on Bloomberg dot com slash podcasts. President Trump is on a record pace for judicial nominations, nominating more judges than any of his five predecessors. In the first two
years in office. Eighty five judges, including two Supreme Court justices, have taken the bench in Trump's quest to turn the federal courts conservative, something he's bragged about repeatedly, including at the Congressional ball last Saturday. We've almost reached the one mark of federal judges. That's a big, big mark. Trump is within in striking distance of flipping several federal circuit courts of Appeals, that is, tipping the balance of judges
from Democratic appointees to Republican appointees. Joining me as an expert in the area, Carl Tobias, professor at the University of Richmond School of Law. Carl even the circuit that Trump often complains about as being too liberal, the Ninth Circuit, is within striking distance of flipping. Tell us more about
which circuits are at risk. Well, the ones that are most at risk are the third circuit, which includes New Jersey, Pennsylvania at Delaware, in the eleventh Circuit, which includes Alabama, Florida, and Georgia, because those are evenly divided right now if you take appointing presidents of those UH Court members, they're both have six Democratic and six Republican appointed judges, and
so they're very close. And there's an nominee in the third circuit named Mayde who would flip it, and the eleventh I think doesn't have any vacancies now but quit in the near future. And so those are the ones that are very close but also within striking distance, or the second where you are in New York, Connecticut, Vermont, as well as the fourth where I am the five mid Atlantic states. And so yes, um, there are real
possibilities of flipping in the next two years. So the makeup of a court hasn't been thought of as red or blue, but in recent years the nomination process and the results have become more politicized. Explain how the current selection process may lead to more ideological nominees. That's especially true on the appeals courts. And you opened with President Trump's uh claim to his own campaign promise and one
on which he's made good. He's been extremely successful at the appellate level, though at the expense of the district court level, where the eighteen vacancies are only twelve. On the appellate courts, but his promises to make the courts very concerned with ideological conservative nominees and appointees, and he's carried through on that at the appellate level. And so, uh, that's what I think you're talking about. And you see
it to some extent among the judges. Um. And I know it's a crude measure, but many people use it also address what some people say, which is, you know, judges follow the law and so there's no difference between conservative and liberal. Well, that's true to some extent in the vast majority of cases there are three oh panel
decisions when they sit in panels. But on the highly controversial cases, especially the cultural war cases involving abortion or immigration or other hot button issues, UM, it often does make a difference what the judge's perspective is. And so that's where we see some differences. And that's what receives publicity,
not the ordinary case, if you will. Now, research by Bloomberg Lass shows that more of Trump's judicial picks have received not qualified ratings from the American Bar Association than those nominated by his foremost recent predecessors in the first two years of their presidencies. Are the qualifications of these
Trump nominees a concern well? Uh? And they also have cut out the A B A. And every president except Bush in Trump since Eisenhower have relied very heavily on the expert professional ratings that the A B A does. There's six nominees who were rated not qualified, Four have been confirmed to for the a Circuit uh in, two
for district courts, one whidrew in a second one may withdraw. UM. Those numbers are concerning, And of course Obama didn't UH nominate anybody who received a non qualquified rating UM because he thought that it wasn't worth the trouble and UM it can be extremely controversial. Uh. And so the Republicans complaint is that UM, the A b as a political organization, and so they attacked the a BA for its ratings
and disregard them. Basically, Trump has also nominated more white federal judges than any other president since Ronald Reagan more than of his picks are white. Should the judiciary mirror the population more than it currently does. Well, I think more than Trump for sure. And as you suggest, you have to go back to Ronald Reagan, which was the nineteen eighties, UM, when there were fewer UM, well qualified minority, female and lgbt Q on nominee possibilities. Um, because there
were a few of them in the profession. That's just not true today. Uh. And so there are many many qualified and conservative people who could serve, and so it's valuable to have different perspectives on the federal bench. Um. It also reduces bias to have a diverse bench. Uh. And so cases come out more fairly and the public has greater confidence in a judiciary that reflects the nation.
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is one of the reasons that Trump has been able to move these numbers so fast, the nominations through, and he vows to keep up the pace. Do you see anything ahead in the coming year that may slow him down, Well, not very much, though. UM. The Democrats have gone on record just yesterday, UM Schumer, the minority leaders said that there would not be an
end of the package as is usual and customary. UM. So that makes a difference because there's thirty people on the floor waiting a vote, and none of them will get a vote to have to be renominated go through the process again. Um. But they are being jammed through and rubber stamped, often by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Many come out of committee with eleven ten party line votes and then went on the floor with something very small margin. UM.
And so that is a problem. It's not clear that they're getting a kind of rigorous attention that you would want, uh from someone who's going to have life tenures sitting on the lower federal courts. And so that's a real problem. What's happened is the institutional structures like blue slips and other measures have not been followed and have to leave it. They're called Carl Tobias, Professor at the University of Richmond School of Law. Thanks for listening to the Bloomberg Law Podcast.
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