Welcome to the Bloomberg Law Podcast. I'm June Grosso. Every day we bring you insight and analysis into the most important legal news of the day. You can find more episodes of the Bloomberg Law Podcast on Apple Podcasts, SoundCloud, and on Bloomberg dot com slash podcasts. Roger Stone will tell a judge he's sorry this afternoon, but she may
revoke his bond and send him to jail anyway. Stone, sometime adviser to President Trump, posted a photo of federal Judge any Berman Jackson on his Instagram account with an image of what appeared to be the crosshairs of a rifle site behind her head. This from a man who's been warned by that very judge about media antics joining me as Brad Moss, a partner, Mark said, Brat, this post strikes me not only as utter folly on Stone's part,
but could be interpreted as threatening the judge. Correct yet, and I can almost guarantee you that the moment his lawyers learned of what had been posted, they were probably on the phone screaming at him for it. This is something you just don't do. I mean, look, Roger Stone has been playing dirty political tricks and using the full extent of the First Amendment since the sixties. This is who he is. It's who has always been. He's the
ultimate dirty tricks there. He propagates conspiracy theories and he makes a vile commentary. The difference here is now he did it to a federal judge. The game is different. He didn't recognize that he possibly crossed the line into threatening the federal judge, which, as you noted, is a federal crime. And he's the least going to get taken out to the woodshed today. It's not quite clear how
much of a sanction or punishment he'll get. I don't think he's going to jail today, but I think it's more than likely he's going to get a full and complete gag order as opposed to what was previously opposed. Well, Judge Jackson is the same judge who revoked Paul Manafort's bail and sent him to jail pending trial. Why wouldn't you do it here? The one difference there with mana Fort was that was kind of the last straw there, and in that case it involved actually trying to tamper
with witnesses. It was a little in my opinion, was a little bit further along in the process and a little bit more severe than just a really stupid and childish post on Instagram. Could Judge Jackson try to make a point here and throw Rocher Stone in jail today, Yes, But I think she's also going to try to run this one completely by the books, to try to avoid any appearance of impropriety, any appearance of bias, anything that
could get reversed on technical grounds on appeal. You also have to wonder, it seems you don't have to be a lawyer to know that you want the judge that is going to try you to like you, or at least not to dislikely like you. And he in the post, he also called her an Obama appointed judge and the hashtag was fixes in I just look at this. This is right the promise. Roger Stone is a man in his late sixties. He's been doing this for decades. This is what has come second nature to him. This is
what you do. You smear and discredit the person investigating you. You call them names, you try to arise issues of political bias. The problem is he's never done it in the context of a criminal investigation, where he's been indicted he had. He didn't recognize that the circumstances have changed, the game was different, and he caught himself in a vice here, and he is going to get in some
manner of trouble. How much depends on whether or not the judge truly finds him credible and authentic in whatever kind of apology I'm sure he's going to try to make today. Roger Stone is a great actor. I don't know if he can pull this one off. We shall see. Let's turn now to the Muller Report, because there are reports that Mueller is going to submit his report to A. G. William Barr as early as next week. We've often said
that Mueller speaks through his indictments. So is it possible that there won't be any blockbuster information in the report that the public doesn't already know. It's certainly plausible, though I have a feeling I'm certainly expecting that there's going to be some politically damaging, though not necessarily criminally damaging
information that shows up in this final report. I think a lot of what Robert Muller viewed his task as being was not so much to be the all encompassing special prosecutor who runs the entire thing forever and investigates and prosecutes everybody till the end of time. I think he went in there to find out the truth, outline it in the report, prosecute cases were needed in the interim, and then let the Attorney General and the rest of
the Justice Department decide where to go from there. If he's got something on the president, I think it's going to be outlined there in the final report. I'm pretty sure it's not going to be a good day for the Trump boy House when this report, or at least some details of it, come out. I don't know if it's going to be the bombshell, impeachment worthy report some people were expecting all along. So ken Trump's family and former aids now breathe a sigh of relief that they
won't be indicted. It depends on what's in this report and whether or not there were steps that could still be taken that Robert Mueller just decided it wasn't necessary for him to take because it wasn't going to further
his investigative inquiry. So it could be that he outlines where there could be possible indictments of people like Donald Trump Jr. Or Jared Kushner for false statements to Congress, things along those lines, But that Robert Mueller decided it's not necessary for me to do that at this point in the further end of my investigative equity. I'll hand that off the to the rest of the Department of Justice if they want to do so. That's at their discretion at this point to be that. So I'm not
breathing any size of relief. So it's up to the discretion you mentioned of the Department of Justice, more likely the discretion of the A. G. William Barr. How likely would he be to pursue that and how likely to even let the public know something about the other individuals
who might be involved here or would he protect their privacy. Well, I think there's gonna be a lot of pressure for as much of this report, or at least the detailed summary of it, to be made public, and it's gonna be someone and this is just my view, a bipartisan push to get it because both sides have an interest in disclosure here just as much as you know, Democrats and liberals will want as much of it out because they think it will be damaging to the Trump White House.
There's a lot of Republicans who want these details out because they think it will exonerate him, that'll lift some of the cloud off the president. And if it's kind of hushed up and covered up and just a small detail, you know, report given to Congress that doesn't explain a lot of things, they worry that the conspiracies will never truly dissipate. So I have a feeling we're gonna learn a lot. I don't think we'll ever learned everything, but I think we're gonna learn a lot of details about
people in the Trump circle, including the President himself. Which do you think is the more likely route, Congressional subpoena or a subpoena actual subpoena of the report or a subpoena of Robert Muller. I think there's going to be a fight over the report first. I don't think they want to go the route of trying to drag Robert Muller before Congress, if only because that will start a legal war between the Justice Department and Congress over having
him testify as a post too simply disclosing the report itself. UM, I don't know if the kind of kind of a last option for members of Congress to take. I think the report itself will speak to whatever Robert Mueller needs, unless there was some controversy, unless there's an aspect where Robert Mueller was stopped or you know, prevented from pursuing an investigative line of inquiry. I think the report will do just what the indictments day, which they'll speak and
explain everything Robert Muller could say. Thanks so much, Brad. That's Brad Mask. Thanks for listening to the Bloomberg Law podcast. You can subscribe and listen to the show on Apple podcast, SoundCloud, and on Bloomberg dot com slash podcast. I'm June Brasso. This is Bloomberg m
