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Pending Actions Protecting Endangered Species Withdrawn (Audio)

Oct 09, 20178 min
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(Bloomberg) -- Charles Warren, Partner at Naftalis & Frankel, and Patrick Parenteau, Professor of Law at Vermont Law School, will discuss how the Trump administration has quietly withdrawn dozens of pending actions to protect endangered species. They speak with June Grasso and Michael Best on "Bloomberg Law."

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The Trump administration has withdrawn pending regulatory actions to protect forty two endangered species, from the green sea turtle to the yellow billed cuckoo, many of which detailed how to protect animals or plants already deemed to be in peril, according to Office of Management and Budget data compiled by Bloomberg. Environmental activists say these regulatory actions were already scheduled and the US Fish and Wildlife Service is violating the law

and putting species at risk of extinction. The Fish and Wildlife Service was also criticized by environment environmental groups last week when it declined to list twenty five species, including the Pacific wal rusks, as endangered. Joining us are Charles Warren, the head of the environmental law practice at Cramer Leven and Patrick Parento, professor of environmental law at Vermont Law School.

Chuck explain what these regulatory actions require, what they would do. Okay, There's two types of actions that you generally see under the Endangered Species Act June. One is the listing of a species as either an endangered species one that's about to go extinct, or a threatened species one that almost on the verge of being endangered and So those are the listing actions, and some of these involved listing actions

like you talked about the walrus. The other actions that they take our habitat protection and that means once you have one of these threatened or endangered species, you have to take steps to protect the habitat. And those are other kinds of regulations that they put out and uh, needless to say, these are all controversial under have been for a number of years because many people develop, real

estate developers, oil and gas interests and others. I think that all that does is just stifle development in this protection of habitats, and that's why it's always been a controvers feel program ever since the law was enacted in ninety three. So, pat, what what did the government do

here in terms of delaying these rules. Well, technically, this was a decision by Mick mulveney, the head of the Office of Management and Budget, which performs kind of an oversight role on rulemakings for the government, and they put out this agenda every year of the rules that are in process, and they developed work plans for the individual agencies.

This time around, mulvaney um basically unilaterally from what we know, not even consulting with the Vision Wildlife Service, which administers the Endangered Species Act, just made a decision that that a whole slew of these rules that list species, says Chuck was describing, um, simply wouldn't be done this year. They just pulled them off of the rulemaking calendar and put them in kind of a limbo status to be dealt with later. And I can tell you why that's problematic.

If you like, yes, go ahead. Yeah. So the problem is that the Endangerous Species Act contains some very strict deadline, statutory deadlines written right into the law that requires that these decisions be finalized. Once a species is proposed for listing, UM, it has to be made final within twelve months. And as Chuck was talking about the designation of what's called critical habitat for those species, that has to be done either at the same time of the final listing or

within a year of it. So, these statutory deadlines, it looks like for many of these are going to be violated by this action, which is simply gonna throw us right back into court where we've, as Chuck was saying, where we've been for decades, really fighting over how badly

the backlog of these listing decisions has grown. So this is really self defeating even for the administration, because it's going to mean the government, the Department of Justice official life if they're going to have to be defending actions which will likely have found to be illegal, which doesn't seem to benefit anybody, Chuck. There are regulations about withdrawing regulations,

rules about withdrawing rules that we've talked about before. How has the Trump administration been faring in court cases involving the Endangered Species Act? They haven't been faring that well, June. You know, they've lost a number of lawsuits that have been brought by groups that seek to protect species when they've tried to do some of these things. And I think they're going to continue, as Pat said, to lose these things because they're really doing things which are against

the law. And and the the interesting thing about it is the o MB Officer Manage and Budget procedure that Pat talked about. That's really sort of a procedure. It is an internal administration procedure. It's really not necessarily laid out by the statute, and the Fish and Wildlife Service and the Department of Interior have these obligations under the statute, and you just can't sort of say, okay, just drop that. And I think we're gonna find out, as Pat said,

that it's going to be counterproductive. So Pat, assuming that, uh, this doesn't hold up, you know what what ends up happening? What will the federal government in fact take action? I think they're going to be forced to take action at some point. But of course, nothing happens very fast in litigation. UM, so it maybe months or longer before we know the outcome here. Um. The environmental groups will be moving as

fast as they can. I'm sure that their computers are busy typing out complaints as we speak to get into court and to try to get the courts to intervene in this. But the longer these species are delayed they're listening to the data shows, the worst their condition becomes in the harder it becomes to recover them, the more costly it is to try to recover them. You lose

opportunities the longer you wait, and so on. So you know, once again the best way to deal with these problems is to try to get out in front of them and not let them get worse and worse Chuck. So we've been talking about the regulatory actions to protect those forty two endangered species, but as far as the failure to list twenty five species last week, including the Pacific Walls as endangered, is there anything that can be done

about that in a lawsuit? Yes, because a lot of times groups petition to have species listed, and uh as as Pett I think was saying, before there's a clock that starts to run on that they have to react to the petition in a certain period of time, and then they have to take some action. I mean, then have they can say we refuse to list, and then that that goes into the question of what data there

and that subject again to a lawsuit. So these are these are also challengeable and uh I think history has shown that a number of those things have also been overturned in court. So it's a I think that they've been discussions for years about trying to change the Endangered Species Act because people find it, you know, it's a very difficult statute to get out of, and they've been unsuccessful.

And I think there's going to be a continued effort to do that now in this Congress, and we'll see what happens with Anna, but I thank you it will be successful. Thank you both for being on. You are environmental duo Charles war On, the head of the environmental practice at Cramer Levin and Patrick Parento, Professor of environmental law at Vermont Law School.

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