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Climate Change Suit Gets Day in Court (Audio)

Dec 27, 20167 min
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(Bloomberg) -- Kenneth White, founding partner at Brown, White and Osborn, and Jonathan Adler, a professor at Case Western University School of Law, discuss a libel lawsuit, in which a scientist is suing two bloggers for libel. They speak with Greg Stohr on Bloomberg Radio's "Bloomberg Law."

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Washington d C. Appeals Court has cleared the way for a high profile lawsuit that turns, in part on the evidence foreign against climate change. The suit is a libel claim filed by Michael Mann, a Penn State University scientist who helped develop what became known as the hockey Stick graph, showing a recent spike in the Earth's temperature. That graph, first published, made Man a target for climate change skeptics.

The criticism of Man only increased a decade later when thousands of hacked emails were released, suggesting, according to skeptics, that Man and other scientists had manipulated data. Man is now suing two bloggers who said Penn State didn't adequately investigate those allegations before the university absolved him of wrongdoing.

The Post like in the university's probe to its inquiry into the accusations against Jerry Sandusky, the football coach who was convicted of child molestation, and letting the case go forward, the d C Court of Appeals said a reasonable jury could find the Post falsely accused Man of misconduct, and

that the court said could amount to defamation. With us to talk about the case is Kenneth White, a founding partner at Brown, White and Osborne, a Los Angeles based firm, and once again Jonathan Adler of Case Western University's School of Law, Welcome to you both. Um, can I know you have some issues with this appeals court decision, but let me just ask you to start by, you know, describing it to as, uh, you know, give it, give it a fair run. What did the judge writing the

opinion have to say? Well? Sure, I mean the context here is that the defendants in Professor Mann's case filed what's called an anti slap motion. It's a statute that allows defendants in a suit that attacks free speech to try to get out of it early. And a lot of the main issues on appeal we're sort of draw technical ones, one of them being if you lose an anti slap motion, can you appeal immediately or you have

to wait to go through a trial. Now, the Court of Appeal did say you could appeal immediately, and that's a very big victory for defendants in speech cases. But the other thing that the DC Court of Appeals did was to look through the evidence and decide that it was sufficient for the very low standard they set for Professor Mann to keep going. And what they said was all that he had to show to survive an anti slap motion is to produce some evidence which, if a

jury believed it would be enough to prevail. And what they really said was this. They said, first of all, it wasn't clear enough in their view that this these statements about Man were opinion as opposed to assertions of fact. And that's because the writers didn't couch them with terms like in my opinion, I don't think that's right. I think that the sort of the hyperbole and the vivid language that the writers used made it pretty clear they were engaging in commentary. And and let me let me

bring Jonathan and Jonathan you agree with that. I mean, there were some facts in these in these posts, weren't there it talked about in comparing or likening Man to Sandusky. It says he has molested and tortured data in the services in the service of politicized science. Uh. Aren't those facts that could be the basis of a defamation suit? Well, I think there are two things that are important here.

One is the context. Right, this the conduct was that the both writers were taking issue with an investigation that they believe was insufficiently rigorous and whitewashed what they believe was misconduct on behalf of Michael Mann. It's kind of like criticizing a court that exonerates someone you think is guilty. UM. And I would think we would agree that it's permissible opinion for someone to say that, for example, they think

George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin. UM. It's that's different from saying George Zimerman was found to be guilty of during Trayvon Martin. The former I think we recognize, especially in a context like we see here as as opinion, the latter purely a statement of fact that's wrong. It's a claim about what's what? What what a tribunal did. Um to say that that their characterization in this case is

potentially defamatory factual claim? Is this severely the constrain the ability of people to criticize investigations, to criticize official pronouncements about why they're not folks engaged in wrong or not. And I think that's problematics. Let me ask Ken, do you agree with that? What's the line? Absolutely? I think Jonathan's perfectly right, and I think his Zimmerman analogy is

a great one. What the court did here was say that because all of these institutions conducted these investigations and decided that Professor Mann hadn't conducted academic misconduct, therefore that evidence that it must have been malicious to suggest that he did malicious in the free speech sense, meaning that knowing that the allegation was false or reckless about whether

or not it was false. And the Zimmerman um analogy is perfect because he could make the same argument that if I said, you know, he murdered Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman under this decision could say, well, this is a malicious statement as a matter of law, because you know, a jury found that I didn't murder anybody. Uh So, I don't think it's a good decision on that basis. Um. I think that it was far too hyper technical in evaluating what his opinion versus what is a statement of fact.

I'm afrared. We're going to have to leave it there. I want to thank both of our guests, excuse me, Jonathan Adler of Case Western University's School of Law, and Kenneth White of Brown, White and Osboe in Los Angeles. That's it for the edition of Bloomberg Law thanks to our technical director Chris try Coming and our producer David Sutterman. Coming up on Bloomberg Radio, Bloomberg Markets with Carol Masser and Corey Johnson. Carol, what's on tap today? Hey? Hi there, Greg.

We're gonna talk a bit about venture capital the world, maybe some more unicorns to look out for in seventeen. We're also going to talk with the head of Hatch Baby and uh also talk about what you need to know in terms of tax prep, because Greg, it's just around the corner. Yes it is. Sounds fascinating. That's all coming up on Bloomberg Radio. This is Bloomberg

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