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But first we begin with the energy section.
We recently looked at the company in Energy. In Energy develops, builds, owns, and operates power generation and energy storage projects in the America's Europe and Asia.
The company recently announced the successful commissioning of a solar energy plant in Ohio, which will be run under a power purchase agreement with.
Microsoft, and back in December, Meta Platforms announced it's signed four contracts with in Energy for seven hundred and sixty megawats of clean energy.
For more on in Energy and the challenges it's facing, we were joined by the company's founder and CEO, Michael Polsky.
We first asked Michael, just how hard it is to get agreements with hyperscalers right now?
These are large scale agreements, so it's not easy to just walk in and these are big deals. So first of all, we have to make sure that both sides so that we agree on that. You know, suppliers have sufficient supplies and buyer satisfy bio requirements is what is also important that certain reliability standards are being mad and most importantly, the price has to be appropriate for a buyer to agree to buy this.
Michael, is the Trump administration making your business, the development of your business, the expansion of your business easier more difficult? Noble impact? Yet what have you seen?
Clearly the administration send very right sign President announced Energy emergency, which I believe there is an energy emergency because we have to build. There is increased demand and we have to build more supplies and more supplies we have to build. If we build like we used to do it, it would take too long. So it's really an emergency. So we try to in energy, we try to build as much supply as possible. What is also very important, not
just supply, but transmission. I mean, one of one of our biggest developments right now and what we believe is critical to meet sort of this emergency is to build more transmission lines. I always like to say that, you know, if we build more trucks without roads, we're not going to deliver goods.
So in order for.
Electrons to move, we need transmission lines. And if we have mission then we can shorten time to interconnect facility. We have to be able to move power from where it's produced to where it's used, and I think we can. We can really build infrastructure a lot faster here and with a lot more impact.
I mean, to your point, go Goldmen Sachs talking about how power is already tight in the Northeast. There was a report that said the development of data centers to the largest US grid, and PGM is raising costs by almost ten billion because we just can't build it out fast enough. What's the biggest hurdle to reimagining transmission.
I think there are multiple. One is obviously permitting because it takes forever permit.
And supposedly that's all going to be fixed. Now has that all been fixed?
I mean it's in the process. Obviously there are there are good announcements. We have to see as a business, we have to see how it's going to be im implemented, because implementation is very important. But it's not just permitting. I think transmission has to be appropriately paid for and right now, particularly for low on this transmission, we don't have a metadology in this country how to pay for transmission.
So there is a lot of you know, intention to build and the only really transmission being built the one that recovered by utilities or rtos through the rate payer. You know, the moment you touch something that is not typically normal, then it's very difficult. So we have to really come up with appropriate methodology to value transmission and
allocate the cost of transmission. I think, in my opinion, for this administration for Department of Energy that should be really one of the most important tasks to build our infrastructure.
I did read a book The Grid, so it took me a whole summer to get through it, and it was not an easy read. But I think I have some understanding of it. What's your sense overall of power grid in the United States? How good is it, how bad is it? How much investment does it need?
You know?
Obviously, you know there are there are a lot of discussions about greater right now the world being used like an antiquated all not reliable, which is which is true in many ways because most of our gride has been built thirty forty years ago, and and there are a lot of change since then. I mean, for example, we used to have very centralized way of generated electricity from very large cold nuclear you know sometimes gas power plants. Now we have a lot more decentralized generation. Number one.
Another issue is that we have our weather pattern has changed. I mean now we have a lot more you know in claimant weather. We have ice storms, what we've seen in Texas, we have we have floods, we have other weather events, which shows that generation itself is susceptible. We cannot make hundred percent sort of guaranteed generations. So how to deal with this? We have to create connect like I like to call larger geographies, so power can move
from here to there, just like coroans. Right, if we only go from here to there on one road and that's something to happened with that road, then we cannot avoid that, then all the traffic will be stopped for days. We can avoid this, so we we have to have transmission.
So based on that, you said the sort of financing this transmission is key. How would that work? I get it for the you know, regulated utilities, but if you want a transmission line across multiple states, how could the financing work to make sense for an independent player like you?
This is a fundamental problem here, right. We know we in the United States we talk about the reliability, we talk about national security, but for example, we develop in large transmission line and which dramatically increase reliability. But then you go to the rtos like myso and ask them to value reliability, and they just don't value this because neither they know how to do it or they simply
don't want to do it. So this is a fundamental problem that you know when you have when you build transmission. For example, in our case Grain Belt Express, it's eleven billion dollar project. We have to have revenues associ in order to finance this, and if nobody wants to pay for anything, it's really hard. So I think it's it should be a priority for the government to really establish revenue streams for transmission.
Thanks to Inventergy founder and CEO Michael Polsky.
Each week we look at research from Bloomberg ne EF previously known as New Energy Finance.
They're the team at Bloomberg that tracks and analyzes the energy transition from commodities to power, transport, industries, buildings, and agricultural sectors.
This week we looked at BNF's outlook for nuclear energy. Within the last month, President Donald Trump announced four executive orders aimed at revitalizing nuclear energy in the US.
For more, we spoke with Chris Gadomski, b n e F Lead nuclear analyst, and.
We first asked Chris if the Trump administration's recent nuclear policies are actually going to work.
You know, there's a big difference between policy push and market pull. Policy push is probably very very effective for renewable technologies, but when you think about building nuclear power plants. That's a pretty substantial decision that the utility CEO has to make, and it's something that the hyperscalers are looking at very seriously. So you can set the stage for
having these very favorable policy initiatives. But whether or not the utility executive who's only in charge, who's running the utility for only seven eight years, decides, hey, I'll build a couple of large reactors, that's a pretty daunting thing for him to do, especially given an experience here where we spend thirty four billion dollars building two point two gigots of capacity in Georgia.
Do we need the big plants that we're all used to or do we need this modular thing That technology looks interesting to me.
It certainly is, and we'll probably see small module reactors operating in Canada by the turn of the decade. I was going to say, turn the centu oh wit decade, and we'll probably see shortly thereafter some in Michigan as well, three hundred megawatt reactors. The advantage of this is that to go from first of a kind cost to end of a kind cost for small major reactors, you need to sort of it get some experience behind just set up by manufacturing facilities and sort of each one becomes
progressively cheaper. And so it's much easier to do that with a small modu reactor than it is with a large reactor because it's a very very difficult decision and onerous position for utility executive to say, I'll build a very very large capital improvement here. That's going to take seven to ten years.
So it's very daunting, which is why with the hyperscalers that's a question mark, right, because they need power yesterday, so they're not going to wait seven years for a plant to be built. And that's like the good case scenario is seven years.
Right for the large reactors, certainly, I mean it took Vogel four years of licensing and ten years of construction, so you pay twenty five thirty percent of that, you know, the Department of Energy suggests thirty percent decline in the cost. Hopefully that will reduced the time to construct. But I think that the way to go is the smaller mojor
reactors because they're more flexibility. Another big concern for hyperscalers is they want reliability, and large reactors small reactors all have episodes occasionally, and if you have a thousand megawatt reactor the size to what the Westinghouse eighty one thousand, and you'll lose that You're in a position you have to scramble to replace that power. If you have three or four three hundred megawatt reactors and one of them goes down for maintenance or so, it's easier to bridge
that gap three hundred. So it's a it's an interesting dilemma that all the utilities the hyperscalers are facing.
Is there any reason that the US could not model what Canada is doing here? Is that just a regulatory issue?
You know, regulatory issue. The US has the gold standard in nuclear regulations, and the Trump administration would like to sort of make it easier to license some of the reactors. And it's a very very daunting thing when you when a company that newse Scale is the only company that has licenses technology of late and they spend, according to the CEO, five hundred million dollars in the process took forty four months. That's a pretty big roadblock for these vendors.
New vendors who are trying to introduce innovative technologies.
Okay, could we see something like the SMR so the small modular reactors behind the meter at a hyperscaler so basically not connected to the grid, its own small little SMR that's hooked up to like a meta facility.
There's a lot of discussion about doing that. One of the problems with nuclear reactors is that you need to have some sort of it's preferable to be hooked to the grid, and one reason is safety is that in case something goes wrong, you need some source of power to keep the island. So that's something that's been kicked around. People are thinking about exploring that. But you know, a large reactor of three hundred megawats plus is probably going
to be connected to the grid. Some of the smaller reactors in the fifty to one hundred mego lot may be a different story. But that issue about having access to the grid to cool it in case something goes wrong is important.
Our thanks to Chris Kadomski be any lead nuclear analyst.
Coming up, we'll look at the challenges faced by black US farmers.
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We recently looked at the company spire Global, which trades under Nasdaq ticker spir.
It's a space power, data and analytics company that offers access to data sets and insights about Earth, oceans, and atmosphere.
We are recently joined by spiro Global CEO Teresa Condor, and she discussed how it's AI and satellite data are redefining weather forecasting.
First, ask Teresa, what the broad potential is for this kind of satellite market.
What is interesting about what we do The satellites are very small, about the size of a little bread really going around there, very tiny, and they're packed with a bunch of different sensors, and those sensors collect in our satellite case radio frequency information that then lets us help
customers make better decisions about what to do. So some examples of things are a collection of atmospheric weather data that then goes into weather forecasting that allows companies utility companies, for example, make better decisions about how they should protect their grid in the event of extreme weather such as
a hurricane. In other cases, you can use satellite surveillance data and tracking around the aviation sector and aircraft to help have better efficient operations around airports and the movement of aircraft, and a whole host of other applications, including defense related applications.
Who do you guys compete with?
So that's always a difficult question because we're present in multiple different markets. Whether you think of whether in climate, you think of aviation, you think of space reconnaissance, and so we'll have certain different competitors in each of those spaces.
Since you mentioned Planet Lab earlier, I'll have to say that planet is not usually a company that is considered a competitor because they're taking pictures, they're doing imaging versus what we do is this collection of electronic information and radio frequency data.
So you both send data to customers from your satellites, but the type of data and how you collect the data is then.
Different exactly and the type of use cases and the relevance of it. So you'll have customers that want both types of data that are complementary.
What kind of stuff are you noticing right now, like what is some themes some broad stuff that you're telling your customers.
So I think there's a lot of interest in defense and intelligence applications of satellites and in particular the type of RF type of technology that we have. Naturally, this comes out of the current geopolitical situation. You have a lot of stuff going on in the United States right now, and at the same time, really since February, you've had rest of world governments looking at increasing their defense budgets, having less expectation of reliance on the United States to
defend them in terms of crisis. So there's a lot of interest in how the rest of world can develop their capabilities.
We have customers around the world. Is the domestic us we do we have customers around this? Is the US government a customer?
The US government is also a customer.
Are the big one of the line share or you it's pretty diversified.
We're actually quite diversified both between commercial company customers as well as a government and that can be civil agencies who buy our weather, weather, atmospheric data sets. And it can also be defense and intelligence and that's US and rest of world. So it's pretty well diversified.
We've had companies ranging from McDonald's to I don't know what say AI is revolutionary revolutionizing their business. How is AI impacting the satellite business?
So AI is also an important in term and topic in the satellite sector. There's a couple of areas where we find it interesting. The first is in weather forecasting, where we're doing AI based weather forecasting, specifically when we talk about sub seasonal forecasts, so going thirty forty five days in the future, where normal forecasting models aren't usually
very good. The other areas are when it comes the satellites, are the processing of data and the ability to use AI to process them automatically and on orbit so you don't have to download all the data sets, as well as in the operations of the constellation overall, because if you have many, many satellites in orbit in various various orbital planes with lots of different sensors on them, having AI ability to manage that network is something quite interesting.
I was going to say, you also had a contract with Space Force, right, Did I read that right?
There was one that was just recently announced with Chase Force contract.
How cool is that?
I know?
So how easy is it to come to deals with contracts? I would think that your services are highly needed right now as companies are trying to figure out where to build stuff, for example, or how to allocate their supply chains.
So I think demand is very strong right now for both satellite data sets as it relates to climate or to better understanding increased weather variability. And there is also increasing demand what I mentioned on the defense and the intelligence side, and in particular as more and more countries look to how they build out their own sovereign capabilities, and this is where we have the strength in building both in Europe as well as in the United States.
Our thanks aspiring Global CEO, Teresa Condor.
June is Pride month. So on Bloomberg Intelligence, we've been highlighting segments on topics related to equality.
In this segment, we spoke to John Boyd, founder and President of the National Black Farmers Association.
John discussed the challenges faced by black US farmers, and we first asked him to break down what his organization does.
We offer technical assistance and outreachs two one hundred and fifty one thousand members in the United States. We've been around since the early eighties, and we were organized to help eradicate discrimination that government agencies and state federal levels. And we've been doing this kind of work for a
very very long time. And I spearheaded the black farmer's lawsuits won in settlement in nineteen ninety nine and the other settlement on December eighth, twenty ten by former President Barack Obama that paid out one point two five billion dollars to twenty eight thousand black farmers who faced an experienced discrimination at the hands of the United States Department of Agriculture. So we've been around a very very long time.
So John, how is that journey going? I mean, how clearly it wasn't great when you started the association. What kind of grade would you give give it now?
Well, I think we really went back decades here in progress with the administration. They came in and done away with anything that began with the word equity and diversity and justice and eliminated those positions at the United States Department of Agriculture, and we still haven't received our five
billion dollar payout for discrimination. And also the also land in federal inventory that I've been after for many many years, and it was disheartening to learn that the administration was bringing white farmers in from South Africa offering them a fast path to citizenship. And also we learned that they're going to offer these farmers land out of federal inventory that came from black farmers and land from the Department of Interior that came raising land that was primarily leased
to Native Americans. I was disheardened that the President said, although he was doing away with DEI or anything that was race related, and then brought in white farmers too, the United States solely based on race. So he's saying he wants to have everything equal and do away with the race stuff. But then he brings in white farmers from South Africa and once to offer them a fast past the citizenship. And I'm one hundred and ten percent opposed to it.
Well, you know, John, it's also hard because being a farmer's hard in general, Like hard enough, you're dealing with crops, hard weather, You're dealing with things completely out of your control.
And then it hardest occupation known to man. People is farming. And I could work twenty four hours in a day
and never catch up. And you know, we have to deal with the act of mother nature, like you said, floods and tornadoes and hurricanes and droughts, and disbelieve it or not, is the first year and a very very long time that I'm farming without a farm operating loan here in my own country, where the bank said and the government said, you know, we're not going to extend credit to you because your input costs and the low price is due to the President's terrorists created some of
the lowest prices. And in a very very long time, if you factor in the input costs and the low commodity costs, weet five dollars of bushee corn and four dollars and something of bushel, and so it being severing around ten dollars of bushel. People, these are very very low prices. And every time the president says the word tariffs, he scares the bejeebas out of the markets, and the prices plummet. And you know, many Americans don't know that
farmers or price takers. We're not price givers. So my price is based on the market that the president can plays with when you know, when he gets ready, it affects the very first people that voted for him, overwhelmingly is farmers in this country are the very first population that's taking a black eye from the president because of these low prices that we just don't have any control LEVELM.
Do you think the grains that will be included in trade deals, which then in essence could help Well, I hope so.
And you know, I'd like to equate it back to the president's first presidency, and I believe it was in twenty eighteen where we were I was actually selling soybeans almost a sixteen eighty cents a bushel, and when the President imposed tariffs the first time on this presidency, the price plummeted because China basically stopped buying them, all the way down to six dollars a bushel from sixteen dollars eighty cents. So we don't have anything to compare it
to in a positive aspect. They didn't work the first time, and right now, as I'm sitting here talking to you, I'm in a very precurious situation. You know, no farm operating loan, a shaky market, and for the future of agriculture right now, things are looking grim.
People.
We just don't have the new markets that the President said they were working to put in in place, and you know the egg Department. Instead of making things better, they're saying that they want to close offices. So the administration says that they're going to help farm is by payments, but they're closing farm all right.
Thanks to John Boyd, founder and president of the National Black Farmers Association. Coming up on the program, a conversation on DEI with the CEO of Hispanic Association on corporate responsibility.
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In this segment, we looked at Bobby the only female found it, and mom led organic infant formula company In the US, the industry has historically been dominated by male executives.
Laura Maudi is the CEO and co founder at Bobby. Laura mother for was a high powered executive at Airbnb before surprising everyone around her to leave her position for Bobby.
We had the pleasure of speaking with Laura and we first asked her about the biggest struggle right now in the baby formula industry.
The biggest struggle I think right now is you know, you'll remember the formula shortage in twenty twenty two. There has been a very concentrated effort to make sure that we diversify and break up the concentrated market and the only way to do that is to invest in more
domestic manufacturing. I think the last time I spoke to you guys, I mentioned that we have co created a bill that really allows and incentivizes more domestic manufacturing for infant formula, and right now is that is the number one focus.
The infant formula made an America Act of twenty twenty five. Talk to us about that.
So again, like I said, this is on the back of the shortage and what we recognized was nothing will change if nothing changes when it comes to the footprint of infant formula manufacturing. So this bill incentivizes new players to up level and to break ground and build infant formula manufacturing here in the US.
Is it?
How expensive is it?
It's very expensive. It's very expensive, but maybe nothing like other investments that are being made right now in manufacturing. It takes around three years and it could be anywhere from you know, sixty two, one hundred and fifty million dollars to get a basic footprint in place, and sometimes even more. And given how long it takes to be able to get more manufacturing up and running, this is why we can't wait for another crisis. The investments have to happen now. And what this bill is is and
it's finally gotten bipartisan support. I don't actually believe there's anything more bipartisan than investing in how our next generation is fed and building the resiliency of this market. I am just hoping that this bill gets introduced as something that gets passed sooner rather than later.
Just remind us, Lara, where do Americas Where do we source most of our infant formula these days?
Yeah? Look, most of it, most of it is sourced domestically. But what we did do is that we allowed some international formulas, some foreign formulas to come into the country on the back of the shortage. We essentially have imported our way out of a crisis, and that is still happening. So over the last few years, we've gone from less than one percent of infant formula being made and sourced in the US to now over ten percent of American
babies are on formula coming in from overseas. And the big push that I'm trying to have is high quality formula should be able to be sourced and made here at America for American babies.
Yes, but because it's expensive to say, build the plans here, etc. Can we get that at a price point where like you can stand business and make money, but also it can be available to all different types of families.
The push I would have on that is it takes more than the private sector to be able to make that happen. And we're talking about infant formula. This is where we need something like this bill to be put in place to help bring down the costs because what they are is it's a production tax credit, which means that for every can, for every production run we make, there's tax credits given back so that we can bring those costs down. And it's really important that we make
those investments today. Otherwise what we're doing is we're waiving the white flag as a country and saying America is unable to do it. So we're going to allow other countries to feed our babies. Fast forward in seven ten years, we could be in a much bigger crisis if we're allowing on other countries to feed our babies.
D just give us the latest updates for your company, Bobby.
Well, we've been pushing a lot of innovation. I think the one thing we can't lose sight of is that the quality of infant formula deserves its utmost attention on an ongoing basis. So we recently launched the first USDA organic whole milk infant formula made at our facility in Ohio, and we're going to keep watching the way science evolves, and when the scientists say that there's new updates that need to happen, we're going to be making those changes
to our product. And my entire focus as a mother is to keep innovating and up leveling the nutritional requirements of formula for American babies.
Do you a want of competition right now?
There is competition. There is competition, and it's health the competition because we need we need choice, and this is probably one of the only products in the market that doesn't have enough options. It doesn't have enough choice. And I believe, I speak for many parents that when you walk down the formula aisle of a retailer today's it
can often be an empty, sad and lonely aisle. You're feeding your babies, and it shouldn't be so, I believe and I hope that with something like the Domestic Manufacturing Bill, it actually introduces more competition. We need to see more bobbies on shelf, and that competition will force all of us to up level the standards.
All right.
Thanks to Laura Maudi, CEO and co founder of.
Bobby, we continue with our June Pride Month conversations on topics related to equality.
In this segment, we spoke to Sid Wilson, the CEO of the Hispanic Association, on corporate responsibility.
We discussed corporate responsibility and the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion. We began the conversation by asking sid what his organization does.
The Hispanic Association on Corporate Responsibility, we've been around for almost four forty years. Our mission is to advance Hispanic inclusion in corporate America. I've been in my CEOO for eleven years, and before that, I was twenty one years on a wall Street. I was on Equity resarch channelist.
Okay, so you're talking to your team here.
He's reformed.
So today DEI in some ways is now a dirty word in corporations in the United States. How do you combat that?
Well, brush you combat it with facts. The reality is that DEI is not a word, It's an acronym. It stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. The opposite of that is is homogeneity, inequality, and exclusion. So when we talk to companies, we talk about the facts that that diversity, equity and inclusion is not only the right to do,
it's also good business. Now, whether you call it diversity, equity and inclusion or do the work of it, you know you're seeing some of them that are continued to find ways to do the work of staying under the Executive Order radar, but recognizing that without diversity equity and inclusion companies will have a very difficult time competing for customers, competing for talent, and competing for to be the brand of choice.
This reminds me the change and perception of DEIS kind of reminds those of us on Global Wall Street of another kind of phenomenon, which was ESG and type of investment refocused on environment, sustainability, governance, those types of things that seems to at least in this country taken a back seat. How about rest of world? How does the rest of world think about diversity DEI in general?
When you talk to leaders around the world, particularly in Europe, they feel that what's happening in the US is extremely unusual because they know that the path to a successful business or operation is through having a strong and robust and intentional diversity, equity and inclusion initiative at all levels, especially the C suite of the BORCED because we remember that, you know, sometimes the argument about against THEI is they claim that it comproises merit, which we know that is incorrect.
What it does is it why ends the scope for merit based opportunities. The problem though, was in the C suite, as you know, if you're at the C suite. You're the c SPE because you're qualified, You're the CC because you're sponsored, and sponsorship is still has implicit bias, and that's where you continue to see a lack of representation for women and people of color.
I mean absolutely, how do we combat that at a time when federal policies, particularly on the education level, are getting rolled back.
So let me first address the education components. Is that colleges and universities will still need to look for ways how they can attract diverse student bodies. You know, no university is going to want to have, let's say, an all white male student body and think that that's normal.
It's not.
And when you look at the pipeline into the workforce, particularly technology, whereas whereas all of us know, there is
a shortage of workers going into those tech fields. And so with that, it means that you not only need to make sure that you're looking at what you look what you need to hire, but also looking at even the immigration policies, because immigration policy that the current administration has is completely counter to killing the jobs that are needed in the US to help the economy grow.
Sid maybe thirty seconds left, what's kind of the the agenda for your organization over the next six or twelve months.
Well, our agenda is to continue to talk to as many CEOs as possible. We're proud that we we interact with more fortune five hundred one thousand CEOs than any
other Hispanic organs whole country. And we know that those direct conversations make a big difference to give companies the guidance understanding of how they can use diversity, equity inclusion in this current environment to now we navigate through this maze that they're having to addressed, but also how they can still win with diversity, equity and inclusion.
Right thanks to Sid Wilson, CEO of the Hispanic Association on Corporate Responsibility.
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