Author Isenberg on New Book on Class: 'White Trash' (Audio)

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a Bloomberg Business flash. You're listening to Taking the Stock with Kathleen Hayes and Pim Fox on Bloomberg Radio. As we celebrated the fourth of July weekend, many of us lauded, appreciated our class. Free society or liberty and hard work are meant to ensure real social mobility. Our next guest is here to tell us, well, not so fast. Class is a much bigger issue not only the history of the United States and our democracy, but also alive and

well in our political system. As two presumptive candidates vy for the White Excuse me the White House Yes in November. The new book that Nancy Iszenberg has written is White Trash, The four year untold History of Class in America. She's an author, a professor of American history at Louisia State Louisiana State University, and Nancy because I want to get to the book. I'm not going to give them all your other credits and accomplishments. But white trash. Who is

white trash? And where does this where does this question of what role this group plays come in to American history? Well, first of all, if we think of the word white trash, we know was first in newspaper print in the eighteen twenties, but it has a much longer history. And what I began to explore is that it goes all the way

back to British colonization. Because from the very first, and this is one of the points I make, is we imagine, at the time of the Revolution, we escaped the class system, we broke free from Great Britain, but we didn't break free from the ideas about class and poverty. So the British when they imagined colonization, they thought of the New World not as the city upon the hill, but is a large trash heap, a dumping ground where they could

unload the idle poor. And the people who actually came to the New World were not if we think of the pure to and seeking the majority seeking religious liberty, most of them were coming for economic reasons. So not only did we have the rise of slavery, which we know was a form of unfree labor, but we had large numbers of convict laborers, we had indentured servants, we

had Irish rebels, we had the children of beggars. And that's why I think, I think one of the most disturbing things when we go back and realize how children, particularly young boys, were the major form of labor to be exploited, and most of these people were with an indentured contract. It could go anywhere from seven to nine years. And if you think about the horrible conditions in Virginia at that time, most people would not even live to adulthood.

So we have to imagine that from the very beginning. White trash goes back to the term that was used by British colonization waste people, and for Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson,

Abigail Adams, their word of choice was rubbish. So one of the things I've paid attention to is the tech taxonomy, the language, and how each generation creates a set of terms to talk about the poor and to talk about how the poor are seen as trapped in this class, trapped in this class, and that unfortunately leads us to the idea that if they're trapped, we can't really help them.

Charities pointless, and we have to realize that it's also connected to our rural history, that for over half of our history we were in a grarian nation and the language of class was also tied to land. You talk about it being one giant workhouse. That's your description of the United States, that it's founding right because at the time, if we think about the fifteen hundreds, when one of the key figures I talk about is Richard Hacklett, who

was the foremost, foremost promoter of British colonization. He wrote the pitch to Queen Elizabeth. He's one who said that this is the destiny England has to get in the business along with the Spanish and the Dutch and think about colonization. But when if we look carefully on on what's going on in Great Britain at this time, this

is when they're beginning to establish workhouses. This is where they're beginning to think of how where are we going to put the poor um And even we could take it back to the fourteen hundreds, where the British had already waged a long standing war against the poor. Well, you would think then if in essences in Dutch white uh,

you know, Caucasian European indentured servants were slaves. In effect, you would think that freed slaves after the Civil War, that these two groups would have had a natural affinity, but in fact they didn't. Is that your argument into a sense that they were pitted against each other, and that has led to a lot of the class and

racial issues we have today. It goes both ways. I mean, if you look at the Antebellum South, for example, poor whites and slaves created an underground system of trade which subverted the power of the plant or elite um and well into the twentieth century, they would live side by

side and they would have relationships. But where they are pitted against each other comes out of politics, and I focus a lot particularly if we look at the way in which the Confederacy itself said that, well, non slaveholders and the poor are going to be willing to fight for the Confederacy because if they don't, they're going to drop down to the level of free black. So they use that as a taunt. They use that as a threat that gets revived again during reconstruction, Jim Crow, and

well into the early twentieth century. I want, I'm glad to bring us to the early twentieth century because you also mentioned a very famous Supreme Court case Buck versus Bell, and I just want to give you about thirty seconds to tell us why that's relevant. Why that's relevant is that one of the other key themes. If I said land is important and waste people were the landlist, the other important theme is breeding, and this comes from animal husbandry,

and it also lays the foundation for eugenics. And in fact, what we have forgotten and about Buck Fevale is that carry Buck was selected as a candidate for sterilization, which was part of the eugenics movement. In one states had sterilization laws. On the book, she was selected because she was seen as a perfect specimen of white trash um and that this group, particularly women, poor white women, were

seen as a group. They first said we should put them the asylums during their refertil years, but it was cheaper to have them sterilized and then returned them to the labor forces as menial workers. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and congratulations on your new book. Nancy Eisenberg, White Trash, the four hundred year untold history of class in America. This is Bloomberg coming up. Bloomberg

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